@@PiratePineapplez it happen to me once, and i improve my skill as result (i didnt know i perform not good for certain raid, people teach me how to do better).
We kicked our tank from our static because of his numbers. He was unreliable in the first place but we checked his parse, he had 0 parse and he did less dmg than both healers. Why? He was using only his 123 combo. Nothing else.
@@PiratePineapplez Ive seen it happen at least 20 or 30 times where I been in a group and someone joins and they are kicked due to raid logs.......when we are doing an EXTREME. Its fucking insane. Of course it was that person kicking ended up being the biggest shitter in the group. I feel you see this more in the mid level on release of new contant than the high level stuff. People thirst for ways to feel superior for their own inadequacy. I have kicked many people from my parties for attacking players whose logs arent great. Most the time you can tell them to chill and they will either leave or do the, "Kick them or I leave".....then I kick them. Id rather have a weaker player with a good attitude than a good elitist.
The idea the game is too easy is silly. Specially when the greater FF14 community is still stunlocked when YoshiP told them to take their pug ass to Ultimates.
Does that count TOP where they used dev tools? Maybe they should test without so they find out there's auto-attack bugs they need to fix before releasing it.
@@glimoreganajai2206 depends on the addon, glamourer, bdth, ktisis, nosoliciting, pat me counter, voidlist... all DRASTICALLY improve the game without cheating like cactbot / splatoon
@@glimoreganajai2206 They do improve but at what cost and the risk of a slippery slope. If your requiring addons for groups your removing parties from the pool of PF. IDC what people do in their statics and with friends. Once you join a PF than I have an issue if it can prevent EVEN ONE person from joining you are hurting the community for your own gain.
As someone with diabetes and limited feeling in my fingers there are certain addons that significantly aid in completing combo's and the like. I won't argue that these add-ons are fair in any way but they do help me do normal content without feeling like my diabetes is causing me to be a burden on the group.
Note on you speaking fast: I'm a fast-talker too. My mouth tries to catch up with the runaway freight trains racing along the multiple interweaving tracks in my brain and often ends up tripping along the way. So I get it. I do still need subtitles to understand you, but that's mostly because I'm not british. The full-speed words combine with the accent I'm not used to in a way that turns my brain to mush. No need to feel self-conscious over something you can't really control, we all just work with what we got.
nope just my voice and accent HOWEVER I do use cap cut's voice enhancement tool as im very aware my northern accent tends to blend syllables so maybe its that your noticing ?
I play on ps4 and I clear Ultimates. I put up 99 parses in Savage content on PS4 with a controller that is on its last legs and some of the buttons stick. Oh and my internet speed is slow too. Take it from me, you don't need add-ons in battle content. If I can clear fights in this game and perform to a level of the top percentage of the playerbase on console with a scuffed controller. Than people playing on Pc should be able to do it too. If you feel like you need add-ons, skill issue.
Hey if latency reducers work like no clippy and alexander use them! As stated my issues with these add ons start when they are used to affect other people. I have no problem with people personally using somethings to improve there own experiance
I used to be in an FC that had a static, keyword being used because the leader had favoritism towards those who raid and the static leader was a narcissistic asshole. The kicker is that one of the members who completed all ultimates had a plugin that TOLD THEM what mechanics were about to happen and how to solve it. When I brought it up, the FC leader told me not to worry about it. Suffice to say, that static led to the FC's downfall because they started adding randoms not in the FC into the Discord and the static leader liked to make false accusations towards people he didn't like. Never tried being snappy towards me because he knew I'd destroy his fragile ego within seconds
Sorry this happened to you but I hope you've found a better environment for you now ! As someone who watched this stuff slowly cripple wow I don't ever want it to seep into FFXIV . I'm glad they have zero tolerance
@@MythSamaelFFXIVOh yeah, I'm in a way better FC now. The FC I mentioned has a hilarious ending with the leader, with all of her dirty laundry coming to light and nearly all the big FCs turning against her. She ended up leaving the Crystal DC (ironic since she tried running people out of Crystal by harassing people she kicked wrongfully) and changed their name in the new DC
Thank you for giving voice to my own feelings on this topic. I appreciate your levity and ability to speak quickly and concisely. The captions helped. Gg Eric.
So console players aren't clearing content ? are they not . They litteraly cant have add ons there doing fine. If you need to cheat all power to you dude but its not needed
Same. this is the only reason someone should use it. or a raid static can use it so long as everyone is cool with it and its only being used to help everyone improve. Honestly it would be a huge benefit to the community quality if FFlogs didn't allow you to view individual other players logs. only your own and completely anonymous others.
This, the amount of cope I heard during the last ultimate when cheating was called out with people trying to act like playing the game from space with some players using Splatoon and stuff wasn't actually cheating and didn't actually make the game easier. It really does instantly fall apart when you change to another game. If you play a fighting game and you have an add on that makes the enemy hitbox appear in bright colors before the attack they're going to do or playing a shooter with the ability to see the entire map over head like an invisible drone and still fire from your location while everyone else can only see normally. And it'a always the same people that will say high end raids and ultimates are easy when they can't do them without 1000 crutches.
@@MythSamaelFFXIV I lost my faith in humanity permanently a long time ago. Humanity does not deserve faith. I judge on an individual basis only. And someone being obsessed with raid logs and or add ons is an instant proof of being unsalvageable.
The game doesn't need Add-ons. The game is enjoyable without it, as the game designed without the need for one. We just need more Quality of Life changes in the game. Like in the nameplates, their buffs and debuffs, make it optional. In addition, they need to add another Macro page, 2 ain't enough, since I like using macros like hell. And now, we'll have three, THREE new jobs!
I'm a filthy casual, but I have tried raiding more than once by my friends request. They knew how I play and how little experience I had with raiding. What did they do? They told me "Go get this equipment!", "Meld this materia!", "Practice this rotation!", "Hit the dummy!" and I did just that. Not once did they told me to get an addon, or even asked me how much damage I was doing. I have the floating numbers off, they know, and they don't mind. So when someone at Bojza makes a comment about an addon, I bombarded him with questions like a 5 year old "Why would anyone need to know how much DPS they're doing?", "Why do I need to get an addon to achieve something I can do without it?", "If everyone's putting their effort for the struggle, why should I skip it?". I never pointed fingers at them for using them and called the cops, I was legit curious as of why would anyone take the trouble of risking their accounts? I mean, if one takes a risk like that, there has to be a valid reason, right? I'm still waiting to hear one...
Honestly for me ...and id bet my house on it. The people who use add ons to judge others are looking for easy clears and easy rides. Why teach a new player a fight when u can just boot him and go fishing for someone who can clear it for you. The idea that you need to no the exact value of your damage is silly to me, But i mean theyll find ways to justify just about anything nowadays.
@@MythSamaelFFXIV y'all have said it before, the folks complain about the game being too easy, but the moment a run isn't easy, they blow up about it. Just as an example, if a Healer Main complains about how healing is way too easy and boring and they know exactly how to heal every instance of damage that ever occurs in any content...why do those same healer mains go feral the moment a tank accidentally (or purposely) turns off tank stance and shakes things up? The moment things don't go "by the book" that they're so bored of, they get angry. Do they want the game to be easy or do they want the game to have a potential for things to go wrong? If you want everyone playing optimally, nothing will ever go wrong and the game gets boring. You shouldn't be mad when a rando/sprout/joker changes the script on you and spices up the run, especially when it's just a roulette where you'll likely never encounter them again.
I wish more people like your friends actually still raided. I quit becuase it became literally impossible to find a semi reliable (for schedule) group that wasn't a bunch of children demanding raid logs like wow rejects.
For Lalas the kindness comes after the kneecap collection is completed so it’s good to see you making those milestones. Even if my cucumber of a pc could run add ons I probably wouldn’t out of paranoid laziness. That said I wouldn’t expect people not to cheat but there is no need to gatekeep people for not participating Also to the new prisoner of the lop mafia, hi
My argument against addons is: World of Warcraft raiding That's it, if that's not enough for anyone to understand, then I'm afraid their brain is just rotten
This is why I've limited most of my 'addons' to visual stuff through Penumbra. Yeah, I do use some addons like JobBars, but that's mostly because I find it hard to keep track of so many things all at once. The little bars and meters help remind me of DoT timings and show me if I need more skill speed to get an extra hit out of No Mercy.
Nothing wrong with that, Like I said i really genuinly have no problems with people running ad ons. My only issues start when it gets to toxicity, gatekeeping and forcing them down other peoples throats. I hated what add ons did to wow i dont want that here
I love my plugins, but I went through my first bit of XIV without knowing they existed, and if I did well without them, I'd be fine now realistically. The only thing I'll really miss if Quicklauncher were to go down today would be the plugin that stops Xbox controllers from randomly disconnecting in the middle of gameplay.
learning the game for me has made blind running future content easier especially when you can start treating most repeats as recycled encounters rather than a brand new encounter and wait for the next copy and paste guide from an old encounter to rebrand itself as the new one
I wish Square would just add NoClippy as a feature to the game because when you live at the end of the world no amounts of vpns and optic fiber can save you from doing singleweaves
it would be nice if they handled latency a little better though im not smart enough to no how they could do that without it unintentionally giving low ping players a tool they can use to cheese
Feel like this was secretly in response to that random response video I saw thinking they had a gotcha moment on you when it was clear your og video was mostly jokes, lol
Tbf whilst it could qualify as that I guess it's more also an address to all the hate thrown at Arthars for his take on auto markers etc etc . Plus someone said I'm not allowed an opinion cause Im to aggressive and tell to many jokes and I wanted to prove I can do wholesome
@@Rivvy250 careful XD if you say anything that anyone thinks is remotely negative about bald Jesus Xenos you'll have a pick me reaction video made about u in hopes there daddy will notice them XD
Between the proliferation of Automarkers and Mare, I'd not be surprised if we got some actual, for real enforcement mechanisms in Dawntrail - which would suck for one of the very few arguably legit use cases: Added accessibility. I will admit I used some addons to show where I was clipping and highlight rotation breaks. I've since wheened myself off them, and in retrospect, I probably shouldn't have done these either, but instead just ground it out on the dummy
Well even if y hadn't I woudnt judge, the one thing I want to make clear is I don't care about people who download them for personal use . My issue is when people gatekeep or try to force them on others
i was my first ever raiding group for the final tier of Eden and i was told to DL act, FFLogs and cactbot. i'm not a confident player, so when they said it'd help me i just listened to them. it became an immediate crutch. i would use it for every fight and even then i'd still only get greys. We managed to clear the first three fights, but then the static went the way of the dodo cos of romance drama lol when the remnants of the group moved on to another static... i was told politely that they didnt want me in the group;;; never tired savage again
Sadly its exactly what they are, Crutches . Im sorry you were treat this way, the problem with add ons is alot of the time there not really used to address the core issue there just a replacement for it. There are plenty of statics out there willing to help you learn its disheartening to read another story of someone scared out of end game content.
ill be real, I started playing 14 last year in January, I went through and slogged through every expansion up to current content without mods, granted i use external websites to make some things easier on myself because theyre resources that ANYONE can use. A lot of the friends i play with, all play with visual addons and the ones who did raid mostly had addons to track diagnostics to then send to an external site like fflogs. I'm of the opinion of, if I, an aussie on Aether can make it to final phase Thordan Unreal, second to final phase P4S, Prog up to Nail in UCOB and is currently trying to actually clear UWU with managing to make it to Ifrit prog ALL within 1 instance on all these fights, only being backed up by people who knew what they were doing and having supportive friends WILLING to drag me through this undertaking, ANYONE can do higher end content without addons to assist them. It takes finding the right people who are equally supportive and well educated about the game who will get you far when ur getting into this sort of thing.
Exactly ! Learning from experiance. Its another very big reason i hate add ons, They invcentivise the people using them to remove and replace everyone that dont meet there immediate freshholds. You are an example of what happens when people dont do this and they take u on board and teach you. Warcraft has been destroyed by add on mentality i dont want it here
I have raided with several people that use addons such as cact-pot and auto-markers as well as small things that put an X on enemy hitboxes so it's easier to see where positionals are (like it's even hard in the first place:/). The biggest excuses I come across are: - (For Cact-pot): What's the difference between cact-pot and someone in the group giving callouts? Well my answer to this is that it is a team game.... that person had to learn the callouts in order to help the group. They can also make mistakes and sometimes the live problem solving isn't instant. Cact-pot is instant and always correct. In some of the best statics the callouts are done by multiple people so it's not necessarily just one person. I think it's a pretty lame excuse, it's like saying that having some auto heal bot is no different to having a competent healer in your team. - (For everything): It doesn't give an advantage it just makes it easier... Well my answer is yes, cheating usually makes things easier doesn't it. I'm pretty sure making something easier is the exact definition of an advantage. Idk wtf kinda braindead excuse this is but I hear it all the time. - (For Auto-markers): Idk this one in indefensible. Some people just don't have any pride in their clears. It's the clear only that matters to them. IDK hard to relate. I despise that I have sometimes been forced into using automarkers (not directly) because the majority want them. - (For UAV): But I don't have an Ultra-wide monitor! Well firstly an ultrawide doesn't do exactly the same thing, yes you can see horizontally more but not vertically. UAV does both. Does ultra-wide give you an advantage... yeh it does. Please be less poor (sorry couldn't help it but it's the same as saying it's not fair that I don't have a PC that can run the game above 10fps). There is also the thing people mention about accessibility and disabilities. Ok that's fair, I'm willing to make an exception for that (SE won't). However, if we can't even agree that cheating is cheating in the normal case where a player doesn't have an accessibility issue then why are we even talking about the exceptional cases in the first place. I feel like more often than not this is a mis-direction people without accessibility issues like to give. At the end of the day it's frustrating to me because sometimes I feel like I'm just less consistent than other players. Then I find out months later that those players are so hooked up on cactpot, splatoon or whatever other junk there is that is carrying them along the way. It's so obvious on patch days when their crutch doesn't work.... It's like indirect gaslighting.
Couldn't agree more and it is enfuriating, I've been in discords listening to half the static shit on a player for not learning p12s mechanics quick enough only to find out a few days later those same people acting arrogant are running fucking cact and Splatoon . It's like cool you cheat and trivialise mechanics whilst bullying players who just want to learn it without the crutch . I hate it
AND BOOM! PROBLEM SOLVED IN DAWNTRAIL :D that was also my only wish bc i can't really use all my fingers very well and its starting to be a pain to play some jobs in savages.
I've seen people making videos about FF14 being too easy, and then in those same videos those people are using addons like automarkers. When I was in High School and college, we were not allowed to use calculators on exams. We had to do all of our math by hand or in our head. I heard someone say "Just because you use a calculator, doesn't mean you don't know how to do the math, it's just way faster and more convenient." But the argument against that is if you're playing for a challenge, why are you using a tool to make said challenge easier? It's a good thing these people represent a fringe minority of the community as most players don't even bother with the harder content. But I do agree with you, you don't ever need to use an addon, period. And to be clear, I'm only talking about addons that help you with combat, I'm not talking about purely cosmetic addons like shaders and modded clothing. Lighting and other visual mods are typically not frowned upon, even though they too violate the terms of service.
I'm saying this from a position I don't care if people use addons really. I dont use them. I said around some savage players including a close childhood friend that addons were like mods in WoW. I got completely flambeed for saying addons are mods. I wasn't trying to argue with anyone. I wasn't trying to start anything with anyone. My now ex friend (due to many other reasons) didn't stop trying to argue with me over it and didn't take it to Discord DMs when I asked and made it totally public. It just made me feel less sympathetic for any savage raiders in regards to addons. Plus not wanting to even deal with raiding. I just dont even bother talking about them at all. It gets so toxic.
I only use qol add ons if I think it will give me a clear benefit over someone else like idk extra zoom as a completely random example I won't use it (BTW my definition of qol is something that will have the same effect as having a second monitor)
I do use mods. but i don't do any hardcore raiding, nor PVP. just with my friends group we have a mare syncshell, and we just have alot fun with emotes that are replaced to memes. we just have fun. there is alot of wholesome moments in my group like someone opening up and getting in love with each other with very cute adorable emote mods. or just goofing around :3 i also have ACT, but that is only for my eyes only for my own feedback how i'm doing. i dont want to be a bad DPS and holding the party hostage if someone has a low dps, it makes me remember when i started playing because i was also really bad and was new to the game. and still i'm still pretty bad xD
only addon i have that i would say could count as cheating is XIV combo, which just turns 123 combos into a single button like in pvp. i still have to press the button 3 times to cycle through the 3 actions, but theyre all in the one hotbar slot and that makes my bars cleaner
Ive nothing against things like that i really dont. Like ive always said i start drawing the line when it effects or is use against other people. TBF with some of the ability bloat in this game im not suprised some people wanna condense stuff
@@MythSamaelFFXIV I've found the worst offenders to be scholar and dragoon. Great fun to play, but I just cant fit their toolkit into a hotbar configuration I find comfortable and manageable. A skill issue on my end to be sure, but its not like I have to play them
As someone who regularly has to watch videos at 1.5-2x speed because of how slowly people talk and how much they belabor a point, thanks for letting me listed to a video on 1x :) That said, I think that the fact that WoW basically required addons because everyone was using them was part of the toxicity of the wow raid scene and I don't want to see FF go that way. I think that even suggesting someone else should use an addon should come with spyware included in your next patch that scans your active processes and bans you if you're using them. I have zero empathy for people who cheat to gain advantages in an MMO. And by cheating, I don't mean "using addons in any game is cheating" - I mean "breaking the rules is cheating, and using addons in FFXIV is breaking the rules, so yes, using addons in FFXIV is cheating." Using addons is only not cheating if the rules say you can use them (e.g. WoW). If you want to play an MMORPG with addons, go back to wow and feel free to play with as many as you want where you're not cheating anymore. If you can't prog Savage without addons, it's a skill issue. Git gud or go do something easier instead of cheating. Also, subbed.
Well said and coudnt agree more honestly. As someone who came from wow BECAUSE of what add ons did to it. There is nothing i hate more then seeing people justify add ons in FF , cause i no where it leads
@@MythSamaelFFXIV FFXI had addons and people were way more chill about it. The influx of wow players to XIV hasn't dulled the general kindness of the community in the game, but they have brought a bit of the "if you're not the best, you're trash" mentality with them and I high key hate that.
Following the last comment thread where I talked about me choosing to use Alex to well make the game not miserable when playing monk you did suggest Exitlag there too, I admit I just had never considered it as an option and decided to check it out but then the pricing of it being 5 euro/month makes this way too steep to achieve the same thing I get with Alex that modifies the client animation lock to accommodate my own ping. I can tell you that even with Alex if I try to triple weave/pot+weave/sprint+weave or any other 'illegal' combo that's going around with latency reduction I still clip my gcd (tested it to confirm that). Perhaps there is a way to modify the plugin to allow for stuff like that (at least I heard of it being possible) but at least on my connection and on it's out-of-the-box configuration it's not possible. By all means the game is playable without it I would just play a different job that has a 2.5 gcd (and be sad I can't enjoy my fav one). There is something to be said that a solution like that exists and square still hasn't yet implemented it to the game, that way everyone would have responsive gameplay without the option to tamper with the values to make it cheating
The thing is, I get what your saying but unironically i no people who play 300 ping plus. Monk aswell who say its not the same as on low ping but its not broken by any stretch of the imagination and tbf square woudnt leave jobs broken for entire regions of people who dont live near a dc. So I get your experiment but i fundementally disagree with the premise that its needed to make a job playable. That is you fabricating a problem to which you can use Alexander as a solution Again though its victimless if you enjoy monk more with alexander im glad it helps u but its not necessary its not needed and tbh non of my buisness. I am against the people forcing add ons or using them to gatekeep others / comparing others to people running them. Latency reducers dont really bother me
Square has left job broken for certain regions. Mch monk drk ninja all have issues on high ping. You can play them yeah sure lol but to play at a higher level you need the ping advantage. Having Alex is how everyone around the world should experience the game.
I don't care if people use addons so long as they don't try to force me to use them or gatekeep others by making it a requirement to have them. Personally I'm against them and while I understand some reasons for why people use them, I don't agree and think people huff copium because they want to find excuses to be lazy and cut corners instead of using their brains and learning how to adapt. The people who say it's the game's fault for why they cheat are the same people who blame the world and everyone else for why they aren't successful in life or just an unlikable person.
I proudly state that I only use addons for ERP purposes and to enhance the fashion -- after being an adventure for eight years, I have literally bought or looted every single possible glamor item in the game. And as the true end game is fashion, I am far too impatient to wait for the devs to create awesome new looks that I will spend millions of Gil on from crafters instead of putting in the hard work to become an omni crafter myself. as for "cheats" bleh. The game is so easy already, I'm unsure why anyone would need to use a mod that makes the content easier. Heck I know the Ultimate raids are hard, but all they really take is some dedication, which translates to an actual worked for achievement -- something that is becoming kind of rare in the ever homogenised player experience of FF14. also also, give us WHM's our AoE DoT back!
XD i admire your bravery to just lead with ERP purposes on youtube with a feminine name. I salute you and wish u luck defending against the undoubtably toxic and horny comments to follow
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From what I can tell, btw, ACT and Cactbot don't directly interface with the game files. I think they just pull the data that's being sent out from the program over the internet already, or something like that. Not that this makes it okay, just a minor detail. For what short time I did experiment with Cactbot, what I found was that at first I didn't know "Oh hey, that's an AOE coming up. Oh hey, there's about to be a mini-buster. Oh, I didn't know I should interrupt THAT mob!" It helped me learn about these things, while FFXIV base would just throw me to the wolves (veteran players) without so much as warning me that it's dangerous to go alone. And JUST the other day, I had the shittiest Dohn Mheg run I've *EVER* had while leveling my SCH, because the tanks and DPS didn't know that the baskets NEED to be interrupted to prevent their ridiculously hard-hitting punch ability. I did know better from past experience leveling tanks and did my best to adjust, but there were still wipes (and in my experience, TELLING other players directly about things just gets met with attitude and injured pride, so I don't bother anymore). FFXIV is notoriously bad at helping players learn these dangers - especially because these dangers are RARELY thrown at us, so they're complete wildcards. And as I got used to those mechanics, I found Cactbot itself less and less useful. I stopped having it play sounds at all, because those got distracting, but I found myself completely ignoring the text that popped up on the screen and actually recognizing enemy abilities properly. Maybe my first time in a fight, Cactbot proved to be a crutch that I leaned heavily on, but after that I started picking up the normal telegraphs that veterans got used to. I was able to make the connection "Okay, the boss is positioning like so with THAT animations, which means THAT mechanic is about to happen..." This proved especially true with raids, trials, EXs, and savages. I began to recognize the common mechanics the devs like to regularly used, and how often they get repurposed or reflavored and eventually stopped noticing the addon trying to tell me ANYTHING because I was like "Oh, I know what that boss movement means!" I say all this, again, not to say that it makes Cactbot okay, but to point out WHY mods like this get used, and I wish the devs would notice this and respond to it: The game is notoriously bad at explaining things and helping players learn. We get telegraphs and buff/debuff icons aplenty, but often our first encounters with a fight are full of anxiety and stress because we don't have ANY idea what's going on. I remember when WoW first added the "dungeon journal" feature, where you could look up boss descriptions and basic capabilities before going in to fight them *in the actual game*. This would give you an idea of what is coming in terms of boss lore and some description of their abilities/spells, but you still had to learn how to actually resolve them yourself (and trust me, there were still SO MANY bad players even with that released). I'm not saying that's the ideal solution, but Blizzard recognized this as a problem and did SOMETHING to try and respond to it. I'd like to see Yoshi-P try to deal with it because I imagine he would have a more unique solution. Hall of the Novice was a nice attempt, but what barebones advice it gives can sometimes even be outdated, and it doesn't apply practically to current content design. (same with guildhests) TL;DR: Players need a way to learn and improve in the game, and new players in particular need a way to catch up to long-time veterans. Cactbot is what many of them will turn to because the game doesn't have any good alternative right now I think that's WHY the topic of addons is so divisive. Some players see the need behind them and respect that, while others respond with this stubborn "elitist jerk" attitude insisting that everybody should "git gud" the way they did, and often use increasingly condescending/insulting wordage. (In a way, it's even a form of gatekeeping) It ends up being a problem of supply and demand. When a player's needs aren't being met by the devs, modders will step in.... and then modders will get REALLY carried away, beyond what they should be doing. And I think this is low-key why the devs try to embrace a "don't ask, don't tell" policy, even while openly telling us not to use mods. They recognize it both as a necessary evil and a slippery slope.
The thing is it's predicated on the lie that players need Cactbot for x and y they don't it's absolutely cope People don't use Cactbot to learn they use it because it benefits them , they wouldn't install it if it didn't have a direct benefit Obv u agree it's aggressively cheating no matter how u look at it . There is nothing in this game u need an add on to learn and adjust tos And yeah the power of mods trying out of control is what has slowly poisened wow I don't want that here especially when there is a significant portion of the player base playing on console who in such an event would end up being completely locked out of content No add on in this game is needed . Non at all the game can be cleared without a single ounce of the cope people use to justify cheating
@@MythSamaelFFXIV - I think that depends on what you qualify as "need" exactly. People can easily come to the belief that they NEED help as a common response to encountering difficulty and stress. There's some players who just hit a roadblock and never pick up on the stuff that veteran players are used to. People will learn things in different ways and won't always figure things out without someone pointing out something their brain won't notice. And then often those veteran players WON'T explain things. Which... frankly, is understandable, because often when we try to explain things, the players we're trying to help just get mad at us. They feel embarrassed and called out. Which is the other side of the coin: newer players often aren't willing to turn to other people for help understanding the game because they feel self-conscious about their inexperience. They don't want to call attention to their inexperience and ignorance. As I said before, there's nothing in-game to help players learn... There's only community. And THAT is a crutch in its own way. A crutch that devs rely on. I know this from experience as a Warframe player. If a player is struggling to figure out a game and they HAVE to turn to the community for help, they will often just quit instead.... Again, this doesn't excuse mods like Cactbot BUT the fact that people turn to such mods highlights a major flaw in FFXIV's game design.
I agree with you here tbh but I think a reliance on the experience to guide the new players is a great basis to form a mmo community It's also the reason add ons are banned cause they incentivise experianced played to replace rather then coach
@DrakeWurrum your story is kinda funny. We just had the 4th season starting in WoW and I did some LFR for gear. Since we have the 2nd raid active atm. I was kinda expecting some people seeing it for the first time and did a quick guide on the upcoming bosses keymechanics. In all wings I had several people thanking me and sometimes people will start asking more questions. Sometimes I end up spending like an hour with a random after completing a dungeon and giving him tips about the game, answering his questions etc. Especially during LFR or harder dungeons I have seen plenty of players also helping with explaining mechanics. Most of them only do that after a wipe though.
Thing is there's a lot of great HC players that teach new players how go start HC content. But it would be nice to see the game having more resources for teaching players about how to use their 'aoe' rotation etc. You know some basics of rotation, mechanics
I agree there isnt really any form of robust tutorial, Re restructured starting experiance for new players that condenses the story to get rid of the 400 hour requirement and a comprehensive guide would be useful
I'm a returning player that's been casual as fuck since starting, and was curious about playing around with an addon or two honestly. Nothing game breaking, or cheating, maybe like a texture enhancer, or like model/effect changes for attack animations or something, I don't know. Eh. I'm probably too scrub for any of this to apply to me.
I have nothing against people using add ons personally. I dont because WoW killed that idea for me but my only issue with add ons is when people use them to bully, gatekeep and force on others x
@@MythSamaelFFXIV I'm also a WoW Refugee that started FF14 right before ShB hit. I think I just got so burnt out in BfA. It wasn't fun anymore, and I mostly played to be with friends, but I hated the game. Enter FF14. I played at initial disasterous launch, and wish I would have come back for ARR. I let WoW and GW2 suck me back in. But yeah, so far I've avoided the add-ons/mods. I'm just glad it doesn't seem nearly as toxic like WoW's GearScore addon got to be. Like omfg.
I've been thinking about this a lot.. I think FFXIV should bite the bullet, and create some form of in-game parsing tool/leaderboard. Maybe not something as complex as ACT but enough to be able to see what your relative contribution was compared to party members. This would include separate meters for mitigation/healing done so tanks and healers can also gain value. A big argument on the side of ACT: I want to optimize, and I want teammates to optimize A big argument against ACT: Ad-ons gatekeep players and especially console players who can't use them even if they wanted to It may not be the best solution, but I feel like it's an elegant one.
Id agree if only you could see your own metrics but i fall off the moment its shared data, its unhelpful and 99% of the playerbase would use it to reactively blame someone.
@@MythSamaelFFXIV I wouldn't hate something like that. I think a lot of people do want some form of shared data though. Potentially just adding the option to share/hide data would be good. I know that's already a thing with ACT but my thought process with this is just to make the whole system more accessible.
The majority of the people who want shared data shoudnt be given shared data. Again its sad but 99.9% of people who use act now dont no how to interpret a damage metre. Giving them a green lit way for them to access this information is bad for the game
Mare is whatever. We all degens can degen however we like. But I'm actually glad that I'm playing this game on PlayStation and can clear content (savages/Ultimates) without all this Allisae Mom bullshit.
Not sure about that. While it never was ultra toxic to begin with, the toxicity is there and always was there even in 2.x. The vast difference is that back in the day it wasn't about streamers and youtubers inciting holy wars over addon usage and optimal play in ultimates and world first races. It was about healers being unable to power through unreasonable boss to boss pulls in leveling dungeons and dps gear being 5 item levels behind the curve. You can certainly argue those were easier, more innocent times, but having to put up with it sucked as much as these endless debates of today do.
game is too easy: make a duty that cannot be queued for preformed or unsynced and forced minilvl, have it be savage difficulty, then lock behind a reward and sidequest to surpass ultimates, thatl make the game go from its too easy, to its too hard
Another problem with add ons. Players get a new fight, break it with add ons, call the game to easy. The devs make something more challenging, the players break it with add ons etc etc...
Bold of you to assume that people would find robbing a bank to be immoral /s Only point I'd make is that not all addons are created equal, and most addons mentioned in this video are straight up cheats (barring the High-Ping one). For example, there is an addon that prevents you from seeing and interacting with another player. It basically removes them from your perspective, which is a great way to combat stalkers since SE doesn't really have a solid system to help players with their ingame functions (It's 2024, why does unfriending someone not remove you from their friendlist?). Chat bubbles is also something that should be default, frame-limiting options as well. Or hell - just having concept art as loading screen instead of everything going black! I'm not surprised that this video has received 25% dislikes because from what I gather most people who use plugins are using the addons/plugins mentioned above and only a fraction are using the ones you mentioned in the video. So you might've targeted the wrong crowd overall and they probably didn't bother finishing the video :(
Im talking about add ons so i typically see around 80% likes - 20% percent dislikes. Its just as it goes I dont mind. And yeah i agree like i said in the beggining of the video despite all this i dont care what add ons people run. I only start caring when there forced on or used to gatekeep others. cause thats dumb, toxic and bad for a game
I use ACT to help myself but if someone tried to block doing context because some parse bs are the ones that can kiss my ass lol. Parse only applies to DPS an thats all people focus on when thats not the game lol
I've been raiding a ton and parse numbers never mattered for almost anyone in prog/reclear environments. In parsing parties specifically people might ask you to already have a decent parse, which is a fair thing to ask for. People kicking other people for low parses in NON-parsing parties usually cant pull high numbers themselves anyway.
I'm not advocating addons. I'm not saying you need them to play the game. I'm not saying their good. And I'm also not saying they are justifyable from both a moral or ToS standpoint. However... I've got a bit of a nuclear take: Cheating is not possible in a PvE environment. I think of things in FFXIV like radars, cactbot, autorotation, etc to be equilvalent to things like creative mode or X-Ray in minecraft. Do these programs enhance the ability of their users beyond what's normally possible? Yes. Here's the thing though, no one is being exploited. There is not any "advantage" to be had (unless you're racing or parsing - which is a whole other conversation), which is a fundamental pillar of cheating. "Cheating", definitionally speaking, requires a group of people to be put at a disadvantage. FFXIV is a PvE game, and as such, having a "cheater" in your party only stands to benefit you. The only person being exploited is the boss, the NPCs, or (arguably) the improvement of the addon user. Addons in FFXIV doesn't infringe upon anyone else's ability to play or enjoy the game. And the "It takes away the feeling of an honest victory/clear" arguement doesn't hold up either. How you feel when you clear as it pertains to someone using addons requires you to have prerequisite knowledge that someone is, in fact, using addons - which, most of the time, you don't know that (unless they openly tell you). You'd almost never know the difference between who is using addons and who isn't, and as such, the only person of whom's pride is at risk - is the "cheater." Again, I'm not defending addons, but I think attempting to draw paralells from this to, say, someone using an aimbot or ESP hack in a PvP shooter is a bit unfair. *Super TL;DR:* People using addons in PvE environments doesn't infringe on anyone's ability to play or enjoy the game without prerequisite knowledge thereof - which you almost never have - unless you're world's first racing or parsing. Which, in the latter case, you'd also be using addons/"cheats" and therefore be a hypocrite lol. The reason addons suck is because people become dependant on them and can't improve at the game - _not_ because they are cheating.
So this take wasnt nuclear and I agree with it to a degree . As I said in my video I have no problems with people using add ons for personal use ...still don't . You are 100% correct it's a victimless crime That being said when it goes from personal use to being forced on others , used to gstekeep others or people playing stock are being compared to people cheating ( parses ) that's when it becomes an issue to me And if cheating requires people to be put a disadvantage then console players in party finder absolutely are
@@MythSamaelFFXIV also you don't need to cheat to parse high, but you often need to use different tactics and more optimised rotations on a per fight basis. It can also not help if you don't have bis Hope that helps
You completely missed the point In order to parse high your expected to perform better or similarly to those who are cheating . Fflogs cannot tell who's using what add ons Hope that helps .
@@MythSamaelFFXIV I 100% agree with the first part. When addons become forced on others and/or become a method or instrument to gatekeep, degrade, and monitor other players - then I have a huge problem. That's why parsing in this game is a diesese. It decimates the middle-class of players, and further kills the population density in the raid scene. However, I think we agree to disagree on the second part. Console players are only at a disadvantage when they are either (a) being made to install addons as a prerequisite or (b) they are fighting someone who is using addons in a PvP enviornment. In the latter case, this doens't happen in raids or in the overwhelming majority of FFXIV's content. There is no advantage to be had when comparing a console player to a addon player because they are working together. Therefore, the console player only stands to benefit from having an addon user in their party. A prime example of this was Auto Markers in DSR. I promise you, no console player on the planet was complaining about AM when they were trying to get their clears. It was a massive help because it benefits the team. Likewise, Console players, while being barred from accessing addons, aren't actively competing or fighting against those who aren't, and are therefore _not_ at a disadvantage.
o7 to all the people banned for buff timers, something we now have base game and something that i can't believe didn't exist before. o7 to people that used chat bubbles and got banned, a feature they're adding... Now can we get some people to put hats on bunnies so they add those too? o7 to you
I’m one of the few players that uses ACT to judge myself and my raid team. However, you are not booted from my team due to low dps. I see low dps, I see an opportunity to teach and to learn. You want to be booted from my team? Be a dick. Had a player whose personality was his parse and he was swiftly replaced
Not all heroes wear capes , you are proof of this The fact people use add ons to remove rather then teach is precisely why there banned. I have zero issues with add ons used to improve self or others and I completely agree . Attitude over DPS everyday of the week
Mods are against the rules, so not "Okay" in the general sense. However, the actual talk is about people who use mods to gatekeep content in the game. World of Warcraft has most mods allowed and the developers create content for the game with that in mind (to the point that some content is near impossible without them), but they also have a huge player problem with people banning you from doing certain content at all unless you're drowning in add-ons. SqEnix doesn't want that problem present in the game (though people still do it), so it's just easier to say no mods are allowed at all. If you DO use them, it's not too difficult to just keep that info to yourself and not use it to determine whether or not players can join your party.
Well I feel if I do not leave a comment here something will seem unfinished. 1. I will subscribe to say fuck that guy, becuase those who are experinced are those who can give a real answer to many new players questions. The most toxic thing in FF14 is the bucket crab mentality of the community, it is better to drag others down then help lift them out. Why during farm when some gear was not needed by core we would use those boses to help train new players and use the data to help improve them inreal time all while giving them the gear as we moved on to the content people need gear from or is progresstion. Oneo fthe major issues people will yell to get an addon but not tell you why. 2. 99% of players for any PVE content are not "Competing" they are playing in there own small ponds having there own progrestion with the content. One thing I would argue is toxic is the idea of being better the somone makes you an expert of the game when most of the time its blind leading blind. The real take away is find a group that is the same commitment level as you, no one wants to play with someone who is vastly different on that scale in either direction for hours to days at a time without reward. 3.Add-ons are a scale from This is RP stuff who cares?, should just be in the game already Yoshi P, disablity options, information accessablity, revealing information, questions of gamer ethics and games journalism of it might be playing it for you, to lastly "Call the GMs that man is cheating". I feel this video does a better job showing this scale and name dropping what is felt to be the problem children ehlps the argument on certain offenders since it helps getting a head of more obvious counters. (ChatCoordinates should be in the game, I should not have to DL an addon to havea flag placed on my map when I click corrdinates in the text box when runing maps with friends, fucking unplayable.) 4. I do find it realy sad so many dont use these tools for good, because how can one coach someone getting better and find the problems without the information to see them in the first place? It might be the ivory tower issue is when you are someone who is up there and use the tools for good or as they are built for you are blind to the evil the common man uses them for? Who knows with all our back and forths we might have to do a colab on the topic.
IDGAF about optimization addons. Addons should just be for visuals and aesthetics. Granted a DPS meter would be baller if it was native to the game. But it's not, so meh.
I'd love a personal meter or some form of tracking that can opted out of. It's funny though all those people who say it's just s tool for self improvement ... Would be ousted immediately when they complain they can't see anyone elses DPS
Hey so while I agree with all the sentiments regarding addons, I also have a use case for some that is really on the edge. I like challenging content. I love XIV. The only problem I have is that the only challenging content really is savage and extreme etc. now you might be going yeah no manure but hear me out. As someone with a rather unique mental health profile I find it incredibly difficult to remember and react to some of the really long multiple phase fights. This normally wouldn’t be too much of an issue, but I also live in Aus. Even though Material DC is there, from what I have seen it’s kinda trash. Plus I have always played on Aether anyway. The issue is that even with good internet and everything, quite often I will run into the issue of being outside of a marker and still get hit. Yes I know I have to move earlier but this also puts even more cognitive load on me. And I think the issue is that for the devs and most JP there will be no latency because Japan is a small couple of islands and so they are close to the servers. So for me being able to run something that will take the cognitive load of moving early off of me is actually really helpful
Hey thats valid, I fear because of the impact of my later statements the earlier part of my video is forgotten but lemme reiterate i have no problems with add ons people are using for personal use . i no theres many reasons for it. My only issue comes when they are used to gatekeep others or forced on others more importantly ! And hey I have DID and Dyslexia, It takes me time to learn things and commited them to brain also !
What I'm salty about are all of these fantastic job action reskin mods that I don't feel comfortable checking out because I'm skirting the line enough running the game on linux.
I feel this, i dont use any add ons out or principle and hatred of what happened to wow but I saw a Goku monk reskin recently and got jelous not gunna lie XD
Yes , though I do say I don try mind people using any add ons for personal use this video is more to those who use them and push them on others or use the information from them to dunk on others .
The only addons that I got no problem with are the purely cosmetic ones, like viera hat mods and the ones used by folks running around in their undies...
I dont really have a direct problem with any of them untill they start effecting others. My issue is the gatekeeping and the mess that is pvp right now
i use one addon, cause WHY ON EARTH IS MONK GCD TIED TO MY FPS IN SUCH A CURSED FUCKING WAY xD (also, i could just run the 1.93 set, but i'm omni melee, and don't want to remeld every piece of gear every time i want to play another strength dps)
I don't really care if it's cope or not at least on the mnk gcd this game feels like complete ass without alex/noclippy so I will use it and pity anyone who is stupid enough to eat playing with the busted base gcd
If it helps all power to you, Like i said i draw the line only when they are used to gatekeep or forced upon others. Although i do think its dumb to say people unwilling to cheat are stupid
If you are using addons to clear endgame content, here are some VERY HARD truths for you: 1) You are cheating. No ifs and/or butts. It gives you an advantage, and is explicitly against the rules. It is cheating. and 2) You are cheating to clear content that was designed to be cleared without cheating. This means you suck, and are a little wus. Any bragging rights you think you earned are null and forfeit. The sprout that just complimented your glowing weapon or mount would probably laugh at you if they knew you cheated for it. And deep inside, your friends think you're hollow, fake, and are less as a player. lastly 3) You can never un-cheat. If your first clear was using cheats, it does not matter if you ever clear without cheating later. No one will care. Because you're a cheater. Once someone knows you did, EVERY clear is suspect. Go ahead and say you don't care about other people's opinion. You definitely don't afk with your weapon out in an edgey pose in Limsa every night. Or fight the e-girls and cosplay freaks for the highest visibility spots.
would you consider having more than two or three words on screen at the same time for your subtitles? I’m finding the automated CC to serve me better when it’s accurate but it’s really distracting to have those and yours on screen at the same time especially with the highlighting swapping back and forth with the cadence of your speech
I will look into it for Wednesday's upload , I did use to have more words on screen I've just been experimenting trying to find the right balance x Thank you for the feedback it's appreciated !
I think we're going to disagree on this topic no matter what arguements I bring up since it seems you have your mind set on this. I'm a cheater in your eyes and honestly I don't care. I use both ACT and NoClippy, those two being the only things I will ever put my hands on and I will refuse to even touch the game as long as NoClippy doesn't work, and if CBU3 were to disable the use of 3rd party tools alltogether in form of an anti-cheat, I would find myself in the boat of people quitting. As you brought up, using these tools are like a crutch. You might be able to get from point A to point B reliably albeit slow with a broken foot and no help, but with a crutch you will be able to do it with much less pain and more speed. I play on NA Datacenters from EU. All of my friends online are Americans/Canadians, and I've known most of them longer than I've even played FF14 to begin with. I tried playing the game without addons to begin with, since I had the same mentality as you, I thought addons made WoW unfun and the community Elitist. But after even just a short while of doing the story casually (Started around Endwalker release) I noticed how clunky the combat in this game felt. I didn't know it had to do with my high ping of 220 since most modern games don't base animation lock via latency. But I thought its how the game was meant to be played. After finding out about the glaring issues related to high ping I tried everything to lower my ping, I downloaded and paid for VPN after VPN, tried Exitlag (the one you suggested) but at most my ping got lowered from 220 to around 180. Still unable to reliably double weave without clipping I put down the game when I beat the story. The combat wasn't fun and it felt like no matter what I do, I have an inherent disadvantage. But come patch 6.2 the new Savage tier got released and I saw the shiny Abyssos axe and got enthralled into trying my best to clear the content just to get my hands on it. After finding a casual group to start P5s, the glaring issue was worsened, tank busters during burst windows made it impossible to even consider keeping my dps rotation up to even survive. Thats the moment I gave in. I downloaded XIVAlexander for the first time (switched to noclippy shorty after) and never looked back. The game was playable for the first time. And here comes the crazy part. I now LOVE XIV's combat, I think it feels amazing to play if you have the ability to actually fully experience it the way it was intended. Nothing feels quite as rewarding as the DRK opener to me. Spam buttons and do massive damage. I got into optimization and wanted to become the best I could be. Abyssos down, I went into TEA. Leading into the next Savage Tier, leading into DSR and TOP. This game can actually be fun if you have the ability to play it. And all that is thanks to NoClippy. It is a crutch yes. But in no universe am I going to walk without it again. I really urge you to try making an alt character on a Datacenter across the world, preferrably a tank, level it up to level 20ish. And then try to hit a target dummy, and double weave inbetween GCDs, it feels horrible. I am okay with adjusting in mechanics and doing homebrewed shit due to ping (DSR P6 Wroth comes to mind) but in no world can I agree that the game is working as intended when it comes to rotations and animationlock. It has to be changed. They day they do, I will return to vanilla. But until then, I will PROUDLY be a filthy cheater.
When I came back to Ffxiv I was as playing with my friend in the NA data centre , I averaged around 170-200 ping the game wasn't unplayable and I mained gun breaker . I did end up getting exit lag to bring it down a little bit but only cause I got tired of thinking I avoided mechanics only to still get hit by them outside the zone I could easily adjust for this without the use of add ons . Your argument falls apart when there is 2 entire platforms of people who can't access the tools your using still clearing content. THAT BEING SAID I have no issue with people using add ons for there own personal use. My issue starts when its forced on others.
@@MythSamaelFFXIV Yes, I still deal with your mentioned problem of feeling like being out of mechanics to this day aswell and it can get frustrating sometimes lol, but obviously "unplayable" was hyperbole, it just feels bad, at first I thought "Okay I got the timing down, and can double weave and it doesn't *look* too bad" but there were these tiny little *hiccups* where my gcd would just hold even for just a tiny little bit. Now we get into the reason I installed ACT, I wanted to see just how much these tiny little hiccups were actually affecting me. FFlogs has a tab under the Damage Breakdown that shows uptime. I used P6s as an example, I cleared the fight without noclippy before, got the timing down and only had these minor hiccups. The run I did without Noclippy my uptime was at 92%, the run right after with Noclippy it was at 99.6%. These tiny almost unoticable hiccups I have noticed and thought aren't a big deal, ended up making almost as much of a difference than going from pentamelded crafted gear into Savage BiS. Yes I cleared the content, the damage checks in savage are pretty forgiving after all, but man did it feel bad to find out being at a disadvantage of at the very least 7.5% and thats not even counting missed cartriges/gcds under NoMercy. I know it doesnt sound like a huge issue, but especially going into ultimate prog on content is going to demand you to at least have a solid rotation with close to full uptime whenever possible. If you would even do 5% less dps than is expected of you, meeting the dps check is going to be tough, early TOP prog, my static didn't even consider getting people that didn't at least clear all savage floors of p1-8s, and then mostly kicked people out based on if we died to enrage of p1 whenever we had them in. It's very cutthroat even to this day with catch-up dungeon Bis that outperformed Bis you had at the time. I will continue using the plugins, unless they fix the issue at hand, I just disagree with a design-philosophy that disincentivises people to play with their friends from other regions, all I want from the devs is to fix it, I would honestly love this issue fixed more than the visual upgrade the game is getting, but one can only dream. I am currently working on levelling and EU alt just do do savage whenever plugins are down during patch time. And even just at level 80 it just feels so much better than high-ping combat. I don't know if you have ever tried noclippy, probably not, but I assure you it does nothing that gives you an actual advantage over people with normal ping, it just evens the battlefield for people than don't have the priviledge of living close to the Datacenter. XIVAlexander could possibly give you an advantage. But you heavily have to mess with the sourcecode and will most likely be banned within a few days since it would be very easy to detect these faulty packets.
I've actually considered ACT to be worse than Cactbot. Cactbot solves the execution puzzles for you; it's a blatant cheat tool that is basically the MMO equivalent of an aim tracker. It only requires you to pull the trigger correctly. It's quite bad. But ACT is worse: it's the MMO equivalent of map and wall hacks. It sees all and knows all, logs everything and exposes everything, destroying any mystery that creates the fun in the game. Things that a human player might chalk up to RNG can be disclosed as player error by these tools, driving gameplay to a standard beyond the design of the game itself. This, in turn, creates a culture of exclusivity and harms the game community overall. Cactbot is a tool you can learn do to without, by simply using it; ACT is a tool that fosters a dependency, the more you use it.
I think this is honestly a solid take that can boiled down to ACT giving u enough information that you can effectively BLAME someone and when you play the blame game the idea is hardly to correct the person but to remove them.
I would argue that Cactbot DOESN'T solve the execution puzzle for you, although that likely depends on how much people customize it. If you haven't seen what it looks like on screen, then you wouldn't understand how little it actually does inform you of. Often it will just put text on the screen shouting something like "TITAN JUNCTION" - And that's literally all you will get. It won't tell you what the triangle markers that come after mean. And if you know what Titan Junction (yes, it's from a specific fight) even means, then surely you recognize how a new player who doesn't know what that means will still die and will still have no clue why. As to your main point... I can't say I agree with that, either? I regularly use ACT to just see how well I'm doing my own rotation, which... is something I specifically learn by checking what other players have figured out, usually. But outside of trying to improve at my own rotation, it serves zero purpose for me and I have no reason to open it. And even then, recent times I've used it, it really hasn't helped me at all, because I KNOW what I'm doing and I KNOW what I'm doing wrong when it goes wrong, so ACT itself isn't really showing me anything I don't already know. You're right that it can be used as a tool of exclusivity when people look at meters and kick people because of their numbers, but I've never seen that in action. People are afraid of that happening, but what *I* have personally seen and experienced is getting kicked from clear parties for making a single mistake on a mechanic exactly once.
@@DrakeWurrum it one hundred percent happens you'll see stories in this comment section , twitter , Reddit etc etc The people who say it doesn't happen are usually already in a static ofc there not gunna see the pf experiance
I play both wow and ff14 but can't stand raiding in FF anyway lol. You get spoiled by combat in WoW and other games tend to feel a bit sluggish and such.
Loved wow for 16 years before now. Its just gotten out of hand the arms race between wow devs and mods has lead to mythic bosses requiring 400+ nerfs to be doable and even then they still require every add on under the sun
Tools that are used for their intent, and tools that get abused, muddies the water for add-on, and you speak well that, it mostly creates the gatekeeping culture that high-end content can have. And this is just the first symptom of an add-on being a problem. If people continue to claim the game is too easy due to addon help, it will create a arms race with the add-on vs. The devs thus make the game more exclusive to those that use add-ons. Wow suffer greatly from this. FFXIV not so much but it a long term evolution since it tied to the development of the game.
Exactly the situation im most afraid of, Because i played wow for 16 years and watched what slowly happened to it as a result. I dont want that in FF at all, not even slightly. I genuinly wished theyd enforce there policy more because i dont want this game going that way
Thank you! I keep telling people any combat add on is cheating. It is like a doctor using AI to be just as good, not better, as his coworkers then expect to be treated and paid the same. It is like someone dressing up in military surplus gear and spending a night in the woods then saying they are just as tough, trained and demand the same respect and benefits as I get, a real US veteran. No one likes a poser. And that is 100% what these people are. They have to make the game easier because they suck at the game. If people cannot play the game with out add ons they suck at FFXIV bottom line end of story. The game has been beaten without them. It is like they give people canned pasta and demand everyone call them a chef and give them the same respect as the top 1% chefs in the world. They have to tell new players that the NEED the add ons to hide and justify their cheating and bring the general player skill in game DOWN to their level. And they will say, "ACT and Auto markers are not the same," but a kiss and making love are different as well but both are still a form of cheating.
Say it louder! Also Im a British veteran you get special props . Brothers in green are brothers in green regardless of where there from x I did 12 years in 2 RIFLES . British infantry
@@MythSamaelFFXIV 9 years US Navy on submarines. I was on the USS Florida (SSBN-728 and SSGN-728). Went on her last patrol and took her out to sea trials, then went to SubGru 7 in Japan for 3 years.
I could never do submarines , I hate the idea of being stuck in an enclosed space under water . I was 2 RIFLES for 12 years with multiple combat tours of Afghanistan aswell as security details in Kenya etc etc
You know all those nice QoL improvements we got during Endwalker? Yeah, they wouldn't exist if people weren't using plugins. Literally all of them were plugins first. Plugins are driving the game forward in a positive direction.
They absolutely would exist without the plug in versions. Just because a plug in doesnt exist doesnt mean the problem isnt there to be fixed...and also my opinion isnt a blanket. I have no issue with QoL plug ins, My main issue as stated is against the more aggregious add ons and when they are pressed on people / used to gatekeep
@@MythSamaelFFXIV Of course the problems are there without plugins, but the devs aren't aware of them therefore they don't get fixed. QoL plugins bring these issues to the devs attention and also do a lot of the work for them in terms of designing a solution to the problem.
@@mosley3485 I would take that with a huge grain of salt unless devs themselves that talked about what brought these issues to their attention. The devs of FF14 do play the game themselves. It's absurd to assume they haven't stumbled upon issues themselves and the community certainly doesn't need plugins to draw attention to them.
I feel like most people dont give a shit either way as long as they are having fun with or without cheats. The PF guys with superiority complexes on both sides are kinda shouting at clouds. It wouldn't be too hard for the devs to block these tools or ban people using them but they choose not too. People will continue to use them until the devs crack down, but they will likely continue to pretend they dont exist as they would lose alot of subs.
That's my stance basically though I was lied about 😅. I don't care people use them , cool fine whatever but stop forcing them on others or justifying the fact your using them by saying there needed when it's fucking cope and cap
The thing is if square enix want they can break addons and make them unusable but they don't. Almost everybody on pc uses 3rd party addons one way or other
Barring people from joining if they can't achieve some number determined by a third party tool is >>>THE
Shhh stop making sense , you'll upset someone
i have never seen that happen in game in 2 years
@@PiratePineapplez it happen to me once, and i improve my skill as result (i didnt know i perform not good for certain raid, people teach me how to do better).
We kicked our tank from our static because of his numbers. He was unreliable in the first place but we checked his parse, he had 0 parse and he did less dmg than both healers. Why? He was using only his 123 combo. Nothing else.
@@PiratePineapplez Ive seen it happen at least 20 or 30 times where I been in a group and someone joins and they are kicked due to raid logs.......when we are doing an EXTREME. Its fucking insane. Of course it was that person kicking ended up being the biggest shitter in the group. I feel you see this more in the mid level on release of new contant than the high level stuff. People thirst for ways to feel superior for their own inadequacy. I have kicked many people from my parties for attacking players whose logs arent great. Most the time you can tell them to chill and they will either leave or do the, "Kick them or I leave".....then I kick them. Id rather have a weaker player with a good attitude than a good elitist.
"And for that I say: you're about to watch a ten minute video in 5 minutes." I actually busted out laughing.
XD I'm glad you liked it ! Haha
I said it before, and I'll say it again, the combat log output should just be turned off by the devs, it'd fix most issues.
Or just make the API client side so that u can litteraly only see your own damage
The idea the game is too easy is silly.
Specially when the greater FF14 community is still stunlocked when YoshiP told them to take their pug ass to Ultimates.
Shhh stop making sense you'll offend someone
People DO pug ultimates, and the scene is quite healthy even during this downtime
the game is too easy tho :|
@@milojevicdavid9956 Nope.
@@ecchidragon8038 Well I guess im just a superior player then
If the devs can complete all content on console, without any addons, so can everyone else.
Say it louder !
Does that count TOP where they used dev tools? Maybe they should test without so they find out there's auto-attack bugs they need to fix before releasing it.
someone can do it blindfolded, doesnt mean we should. Addons improve game, period.
@@glimoreganajai2206 depends on the addon, glamourer, bdth, ktisis, nosoliciting, pat me counter, voidlist... all DRASTICALLY improve the game without cheating like cactbot / splatoon
@@glimoreganajai2206 They do improve but at what cost and the risk of a slippery slope. If your requiring addons for groups your removing parties from the pool of PF. IDC what people do in their statics and with friends. Once you join a PF than I have an issue if it can prevent EVEN ONE person from joining you are hurting the community for your own gain.
As someone with diabetes and limited feeling in my fingers there are certain addons that significantly aid in completing combo's and the like. I won't argue that these add-ons are fair in any way but they do help me do normal content without feeling like my diabetes is causing me to be a burden on the group.
Note on you speaking fast: I'm a fast-talker too. My mouth tries to catch up with the runaway freight trains racing along the multiple interweaving tracks in my brain and often ends up tripping along the way.
So I get it. I do still need subtitles to understand you, but that's mostly because I'm not british. The full-speed words combine with the accent I'm not used to in a way that turns my brain to mush.
No need to feel self-conscious over something you can't really control, we all just work with what we got.
Thank you ! And yeah I'm just embracing it at this point with jokes like 10 minute video in 5 minutes etc etc XD
I do wonder if Samael is editing sentences together too closely though. Some unnatural sounding connections
nope just my voice and accent HOWEVER I do use cap cut's voice enhancement tool as im very aware my northern accent tends to blend syllables so maybe its that your noticing ?
I don't use raiding addons at all, but I do use addons to give my catgirl a fluffier tail :D (no NSFW on my WoL, so it's wholesome as well!)
Sorry it's cheating , there is such a thing as toooo cute , ima need u to put these handcuffs on and follow me . jokes obviously XD
I play on ps4 and I clear Ultimates. I put up 99 parses in Savage content on PS4 with a controller that is on its last legs and some of the buttons stick. Oh and my internet speed is slow too. Take it from me, you don't need add-ons in battle content. If I can clear fights in this game and perform to a level of the top percentage of the playerbase on console with a scuffed controller. Than people playing on Pc should be able to do it too. If you feel like you need add-ons, skill issue.
According to some of the cope in this comment section, You don't exist sir ! But no I get you shout it louder for the gullibles in the back
I cant afford to pay both an exit lag and a game sub, and playing at a ping that fluctuates between 150-200+ depending on the moment really sucks ass
Hey if latency reducers work like no clippy and alexander use them! As stated my issues with these add ons start when they are used to affect other people. I have no problem with people personally using somethings to improve there own experiance
I used to be in an FC that had a static, keyword being used because the leader had favoritism towards those who raid and the static leader was a narcissistic asshole.
The kicker is that one of the members who completed all ultimates had a plugin that TOLD THEM what mechanics were about to happen and how to solve it. When I brought it up, the FC leader told me not to worry about it.
Suffice to say, that static led to the FC's downfall because they started adding randoms not in the FC into the Discord and the static leader liked to make false accusations towards people he didn't like. Never tried being snappy towards me because he knew I'd destroy his fragile ego within seconds
Sorry this happened to you but I hope you've found a better environment for you now ! As someone who watched this stuff slowly cripple wow I don't ever want it to seep into FFXIV . I'm glad they have zero tolerance
@@MythSamaelFFXIVOh yeah, I'm in a way better FC now. The FC I mentioned has a hilarious ending with the leader, with all of her dirty laundry coming to light and nearly all the big FCs turning against her. She ended up leaving the Crystal DC (ironic since she tried running people out of Crystal by harassing people she kicked wrongfully) and changed their name in the new DC
Thank you for giving voice to my own feelings on this topic. I appreciate your levity and ability to speak quickly and concisely. The captions helped. Gg Eric.
I appreciate that, its why I do it. Hate seeing people gate kept or quitting end game content cause of the lies spat at them
I use ACT, Im not toxic with it in-game. I use it to parse my own damage, because SE has me smacking a fucking rock to guess...
It's a great tool to check your own damage , isn't the most necessary thing but I understand why people use it and have no problems with personal use
@@MythSamaelFFXIV It is nessesary thing, bosses have dps checks.
So console players aren't clearing content ? are they not . They litteraly cant have add ons there doing fine. If you need to cheat all power to you dude but its not needed
@@glimoreganajai2206 you can learn withotu addon it called thinking
Same. this is the only reason someone should use it. or a raid static can use it so long as everyone is cool with it and its only being used to help everyone improve.
Honestly it would be a huge benefit to the community quality if FFlogs didn't allow you to view individual other players logs. only your own and completely anonymous others.
This, the amount of cope I heard during the last ultimate when cheating was called out with people trying to act like playing the game from space with some players using Splatoon and stuff wasn't actually cheating and didn't actually make the game easier. It really does instantly fall apart when you change to another game. If you play a fighting game and you have an add on that makes the enemy hitbox appear in bright colors before the attack they're going to do or playing a shooter with the ability to see the entire map over head like an invisible drone and still fire from your location while everyone else can only see normally. And it'a always the same people that will say high end raids and ultimates are easy when they can't do them without 1000 crutches.
Yeah honestly the mental gymnastics are wild, Even some of the responses to this video make me question my sanity and faith in humanity
@@MythSamaelFFXIV I lost my faith in humanity permanently a long time ago. Humanity does not deserve faith. I judge on an individual basis only. And someone being obsessed with raid logs and or add ons is an instant proof of being unsalvageable.
The game doesn't need Add-ons. The game is enjoyable without it, as the game designed without the need for one.
We just need more Quality of Life changes in the game. Like in the nameplates, their buffs and debuffs, make it optional.
In addition, they need to add another Macro page, 2 ain't enough, since I like using macros like hell. And now, we'll have three, THREE new jobs!
Couldn't agree more . Speech bubbles man I need speech bubbles XD
I'm a filthy casual, but I have tried raiding more than once by my friends request. They knew how I play and how little experience I had with raiding. What did they do? They told me "Go get this equipment!", "Meld this materia!", "Practice this rotation!", "Hit the dummy!" and I did just that. Not once did they told me to get an addon, or even asked me how much damage I was doing. I have the floating numbers off, they know, and they don't mind.
So when someone at Bojza makes a comment about an addon, I bombarded him with questions like a 5 year old "Why would anyone need to know how much DPS they're doing?", "Why do I need to get an addon to achieve something I can do without it?", "If everyone's putting their effort for the struggle, why should I skip it?". I never pointed fingers at them for using them and called the cops, I was legit curious as of why would anyone take the trouble of risking their accounts? I mean, if one takes a risk like that, there has to be a valid reason, right? I'm still waiting to hear one...
Honestly for me ...and id bet my house on it. The people who use add ons to judge others are looking for easy clears and easy rides. Why teach a new player a fight when u can just boot him and go fishing for someone who can clear it for you.
The idea that you need to no the exact value of your damage is silly to me, But i mean theyll find ways to justify just about anything nowadays.
bozja and raiding buddy you midcore player no real casual would do this challanging content .
@@MythSamaelFFXIV y'all have said it before, the folks complain about the game being too easy, but the moment a run isn't easy, they blow up about it. Just as an example, if a Healer Main complains about how healing is way too easy and boring and they know exactly how to heal every instance of damage that ever occurs in any content...why do those same healer mains go feral the moment a tank accidentally (or purposely) turns off tank stance and shakes things up? The moment things don't go "by the book" that they're so bored of, they get angry. Do they want the game to be easy or do they want the game to have a potential for things to go wrong? If you want everyone playing optimally, nothing will ever go wrong and the game gets boring. You shouldn't be mad when a rando/sprout/joker changes the script on you and spices up the run, especially when it's just a roulette where you'll likely never encounter them again.
I wish more people like your friends actually still raided. I quit becuase it became literally impossible to find a semi reliable (for schedule) group that wasn't a bunch of children demanding raid logs like wow rejects.
For Lalas the kindness comes after the kneecap collection is completed so it’s good to see you making those milestones.
Even if my cucumber of a pc could run add ons I probably wouldn’t out of paranoid laziness. That said I wouldn’t expect people not to cheat but there is no need to gatekeep people for not participating
Also to the new prisoner of the lop mafia, hi
I managed to broker a deal, I just need to farm hardcore neckbeard tears for them for the next several years.
@@MythSamaelFFXIV but really, is this a bad thing?
My argument against addons is:
World of Warcraft raiding
That's it, if that's not enough for anyone to understand, then I'm afraid their brain is just rotten
Never has such few words reminded me of so much pain and hardship :'(
ive never played wow but i guess it really is tht bad if they had to use add on?
This is why I've limited most of my 'addons' to visual stuff through Penumbra.
Yeah, I do use some addons like JobBars, but that's mostly because I find it hard to keep track of so many things all at once. The little bars and meters help remind me of DoT timings and show me if I need more skill speed to get an extra hit out of No Mercy.
Nothing wrong with that, Like I said i really genuinly have no problems with people running ad ons. My only issues start when it gets to toxicity, gatekeeping and forcing them down other peoples throats.
I hated what add ons did to wow i dont want that here
I love my plugins, but I went through my first bit of XIV without knowing they existed, and if I did well without them, I'd be fine now realistically. The only thing I'll really miss if Quicklauncher were to go down today would be the plugin that stops Xbox controllers from randomly disconnecting in the middle of gameplay.
I've really not got issues with people using them for personal stuff my problems start when there pressed on others
learning the game for me has made blind running future content easier especially when you can start treating most repeats as recycled encounters rather than a brand new encounter and wait for the next copy and paste guide from an old encounter to rebrand itself as the new one
Up after this many years there is only so many ways you can paint something
I wish Square would just add NoClippy as a feature to the game because when you live at the end of the world no amounts of vpns and optic fiber can save you from doing singleweaves
it would be nice if they handled latency a little better though im not smart enough to no how they could do that without it unintentionally giving low ping players a tool they can use to cheese
Feel like this was secretly in response to that random response video I saw thinking they had a gotcha moment on you when it was clear your og video was mostly jokes, lol
Tbf whilst it could qualify as that I guess it's more also an address to all the hate thrown at Arthars for his take on auto markers etc etc . Plus someone said I'm not allowed an opinion cause Im to aggressive and tell to many jokes and I wanted to prove I can do wholesome
@@MythSamaelFFXIV Lol thats wild, personally I find Xenos a lot more aggressive, you're like a kitten in comparison
@@Rivvy250 careful XD if you say anything that anyone thinks is remotely negative about bald Jesus Xenos you'll have a pick me reaction video made about u in hopes there daddy will notice them XD
Between the proliferation of Automarkers and Mare, I'd not be surprised if we got some actual, for real enforcement mechanisms in Dawntrail - which would suck for one of the very few arguably legit use cases: Added accessibility.
I will admit I used some addons to show where I was clipping and highlight rotation breaks. I've since wheened myself off them, and in retrospect, I probably shouldn't have done these either, but instead just ground it out on the dummy
Well even if y hadn't I woudnt judge, the one thing I want to make clear is I don't care about people who download them for personal use . My issue is when people gatekeep or try to force them on others
i was my first ever raiding group for the final tier of Eden and i was told to DL act, FFLogs and cactbot. i'm not a confident player, so when they said it'd help me i just listened to them. it became an immediate crutch. i would use it for every fight and even then i'd still only get greys. We managed to clear the first three fights, but then the static went the way of the dodo cos of romance drama lol
when the remnants of the group moved on to another static... i was told politely that they didnt want me in the group;;; never tired savage again
Sadly its exactly what they are, Crutches . Im sorry you were treat this way, the problem with add ons is alot of the time there not really used to address the core issue there just a replacement for it. There are plenty of statics out there willing to help you learn its disheartening to read another story of someone scared out of end game content.
ill be real, I started playing 14 last year in January, I went through and slogged through every expansion up to current content without mods, granted i use external websites to make some things easier on myself because theyre resources that ANYONE can use. A lot of the friends i play with, all play with visual addons and the ones who did raid mostly had addons to track diagnostics to then send to an external site like fflogs.
I'm of the opinion of, if I, an aussie on Aether can make it to final phase Thordan Unreal, second to final phase P4S, Prog up to Nail in UCOB and is currently trying to actually clear UWU with managing to make it to Ifrit prog ALL within 1 instance on all these fights, only being backed up by people who knew what they were doing and having supportive friends WILLING to drag me through this undertaking, ANYONE can do higher end content without addons to assist them. It takes finding the right people who are equally supportive and well educated about the game who will get you far when ur getting into this sort of thing.
Exactly ! Learning from experiance. Its another very big reason i hate add ons, They invcentivise the people using them to remove and replace everyone that dont meet there immediate freshholds. You are an example of what happens when people dont do this and they take u on board and teach you. Warcraft has been destroyed by add on mentality i dont want it here
I have raided with several people that use addons such as cact-pot and auto-markers as well as small things that put an X on enemy hitboxes so it's easier to see where positionals are (like it's even hard in the first place:/). The biggest excuses I come across are:
- (For Cact-pot): What's the difference between cact-pot and someone in the group giving callouts? Well my answer to this is that it is a team game.... that person had to learn the callouts in order to help the group. They can also make mistakes and sometimes the live problem solving isn't instant. Cact-pot is instant and always correct. In some of the best statics the callouts are done by multiple people so it's not necessarily just one person. I think it's a pretty lame excuse, it's like saying that having some auto heal bot is no different to having a competent healer in your team.
- (For everything): It doesn't give an advantage it just makes it easier... Well my answer is yes, cheating usually makes things easier doesn't it. I'm pretty sure making something easier is the exact definition of an advantage. Idk wtf kinda braindead excuse this is but I hear it all the time.
- (For Auto-markers): Idk this one in indefensible. Some people just don't have any pride in their clears. It's the clear only that matters to them. IDK hard to relate. I despise that I have sometimes been forced into using automarkers (not directly) because the majority want them.
- (For UAV): But I don't have an Ultra-wide monitor! Well firstly an ultrawide doesn't do exactly the same thing, yes you can see horizontally more but not vertically. UAV does both. Does ultra-wide give you an advantage... yeh it does. Please be less poor (sorry couldn't help it but it's the same as saying it's not fair that I don't have a PC that can run the game above 10fps).
There is also the thing people mention about accessibility and disabilities. Ok that's fair, I'm willing to make an exception for that (SE won't). However, if we can't even agree that cheating is cheating in the normal case where a player doesn't have an accessibility issue then why are we even talking about the exceptional cases in the first place. I feel like more often than not this is a mis-direction people without accessibility issues like to give.
At the end of the day it's frustrating to me because sometimes I feel like I'm just less consistent than other players. Then I find out months later that those players are so hooked up on cactpot, splatoon or whatever other junk there is that is carrying them along the way. It's so obvious on patch days when their crutch doesn't work.... It's like indirect gaslighting.
Couldn't agree more and it is enfuriating, I've been in discords listening to half the static shit on a player for not learning p12s mechanics quick enough only to find out a few days later those same people acting arrogant are running fucking cact and Splatoon .
It's like cool you cheat and trivialise mechanics whilst bullying players who just want to learn it without the crutch . I hate it
to be honest i would just like them to fix the button bloat and the tab targeting and ff14 is perfect
That, and the terrible netcoding.
AND BOOM! PROBLEM SOLVED IN DAWNTRAIL :D that was also my only wish bc i can't really use all my fingers very well and its starting to be a pain to play some jobs in savages.
I've seen people making videos about FF14 being too easy, and then in those same videos those people are using addons like automarkers. When I was in High School and college, we were not allowed to use calculators on exams. We had to do all of our math by hand or in our head. I heard someone say "Just because you use a calculator, doesn't mean you don't know how to do the math, it's just way faster and more convenient." But the argument against that is if you're playing for a challenge, why are you using a tool to make said challenge easier? It's a good thing these people represent a fringe minority of the community as most players don't even bother with the harder content. But I do agree with you, you don't ever need to use an addon, period. And to be clear, I'm only talking about addons that help you with combat, I'm not talking about purely cosmetic addons like shaders and modded clothing. Lighting and other visual mods are typically not frowned upon, even though they too violate the terms of service.
Oh honestly I feel that so hard , especially calling the game to easy when there running several add ons that make fight mechanics an after thought
I'm saying this from a position I don't care if people use addons really. I dont use them.
I said around some savage players including a close childhood friend that addons were like mods in WoW. I got completely flambeed for saying addons are mods. I wasn't trying to argue with anyone. I wasn't trying to start anything with anyone. My now ex friend (due to many other reasons) didn't stop trying to argue with me over it and didn't take it to Discord DMs when I asked and made it totally public.
It just made me feel less sympathetic for any savage raiders in regards to addons. Plus not wanting to even deal with raiding. I just dont even bother talking about them at all. It gets so toxic.
Sorry this happened to you but sadly when someone's ego is bruised they will act like a diva about it
the words sympathetic shouldnt be used on ppl liek savage raiders they are often and most the key reason why mmorpg playerbase suck.
I only use qol add ons if I think it will give me a clear benefit over someone else like idk extra zoom as a completely random example I won't use it (BTW my definition of qol is something that will have the same effect as having a second monitor)
Honestly a lot of people think i hate all add ons, I don't generally , i only hate when there used against people.
I do use mods. but i don't do any hardcore raiding, nor PVP. just with my friends group we have a mare syncshell, and we just have alot fun with emotes that are replaced to memes. we just have fun.
there is alot of wholesome moments in my group like someone opening up and getting in love with each other with very cute adorable emote mods. or just goofing around :3
i also have ACT, but that is only for my eyes only for my own feedback how i'm doing. i dont want to be a bad DPS and holding the party hostage
if someone has a low dps, it makes me remember when i started playing because i was also really bad and was new to the game. and still i'm still pretty bad xD
Like i said, ive no problem with people using add ons for there own personal gains, Really doesnt start bothering me until its forced on others.
@@MythSamaelFFXIV agreed :3
I like ACT it breaks a lot all on its own.😂 i just like to know how much DPS I am doing.
The closest thing to an add on that I use is TeamCraft, because the downloadable version has a packet sniffer to keep track of your in-game inventory.
only addon i have that i would say could count as cheating is XIV combo, which just turns 123 combos into a single button like in pvp. i still have to press the button 3 times to cycle through the 3 actions, but theyre all in the one hotbar slot and that makes my bars cleaner
Ive nothing against things like that i really dont. Like ive always said i start drawing the line when it effects or is use against other people. TBF with some of the ability bloat in this game im not suprised some people wanna condense stuff
@@MythSamaelFFXIV I've found the worst offenders to be scholar and dragoon. Great fun to play, but I just cant fit their toolkit into a hotbar configuration I find comfortable and manageable. A skill issue on my end to be sure, but its not like I have to play them
As someone who regularly has to watch videos at 1.5-2x speed because of how slowly people talk and how much they belabor a point, thanks for letting me listed to a video on 1x :)
That said, I think that the fact that WoW basically required addons because everyone was using them was part of the toxicity of the wow raid scene and I don't want to see FF go that way. I think that even suggesting someone else should use an addon should come with spyware included in your next patch that scans your active processes and bans you if you're using them. I have zero empathy for people who cheat to gain advantages in an MMO.
And by cheating, I don't mean "using addons in any game is cheating" - I mean "breaking the rules is cheating, and using addons in FFXIV is breaking the rules, so yes, using addons in FFXIV is cheating." Using addons is only not cheating if the rules say you can use them (e.g. WoW). If you want to play an MMORPG with addons, go back to wow and feel free to play with as many as you want where you're not cheating anymore.
If you can't prog Savage without addons, it's a skill issue. Git gud or go do something easier instead of cheating.
Also, subbed.
Well said and coudnt agree more honestly. As someone who came from wow BECAUSE of what add ons did to it. There is nothing i hate more then seeing people justify add ons in FF , cause i no where it leads
@@MythSamaelFFXIV FFXI had addons and people were way more chill about it. The influx of wow players to XIV hasn't dulled the general kindness of the community in the game, but they have brought a bit of the "if you're not the best, you're trash" mentality with them and I high key hate that.
Following the last comment thread where I talked about me choosing to use Alex to well make the game not miserable when playing monk you did suggest Exitlag there too, I admit I just had never considered it as an option and decided to check it out but then the pricing of it being 5 euro/month makes this way too steep to achieve the same thing I get with Alex that modifies the client animation lock to accommodate my own ping. I can tell you that even with Alex if I try to triple weave/pot+weave/sprint+weave or any other 'illegal' combo that's going around with latency reduction I still clip my gcd (tested it to confirm that). Perhaps there is a way to modify the plugin to allow for stuff like that (at least I heard of it being possible) but at least on my connection and on it's out-of-the-box configuration it's not possible. By all means the game is playable without it I would just play a different job that has a 2.5 gcd (and be sad I can't enjoy my fav one). There is something to be said that a solution like that exists and square still hasn't yet implemented it to the game, that way everyone would have responsive gameplay without the option to tamper with the values to make it cheating
The thing is, I get what your saying but unironically i no people who play 300 ping plus. Monk aswell who say its not the same as on low ping but its not broken by any stretch of the imagination and tbf square woudnt leave jobs broken for entire regions of people who dont live near a dc. So I get your experiment but i fundementally disagree with the premise that its needed to make a job playable. That is you fabricating a problem to which you can use Alexander as a solution
Again though its victimless if you enjoy monk more with alexander im glad it helps u but its not necessary its not needed and tbh non of my buisness. I am against the people forcing add ons or using them to gatekeep others / comparing others to people running them. Latency reducers dont really bother me
Square has left job broken for certain regions. Mch monk drk ninja all have issues on high ping. You can play them yeah sure lol but to play at a higher level you need the ping advantage. Having Alex is how everyone around the world should experience the game.
I don't care if people use addons so long as they don't try to force me to use them or gatekeep others by making it a requirement to have them. Personally I'm against them and while I understand some reasons for why people use them, I don't agree and think people huff copium because they want to find excuses to be lazy and cut corners instead of using their brains and learning how to adapt. The people who say it's the game's fault for why they cheat are the same people who blame the world and everyone else for why they aren't successful in life or just an unlikable person.
Coudnt agree more. the silly levels of reaching to justify anything is just so dumb to me
I proudly state that I only use addons for ERP purposes and to enhance the fashion -- after being an adventure for eight years, I have literally bought or looted every single possible glamor item in the game. And as the true end game is fashion, I am far too impatient to wait for the devs to create awesome new looks that I will spend millions of Gil on from crafters instead of putting in the hard work to become an omni crafter myself.
as for "cheats" bleh. The game is so easy already, I'm unsure why anyone would need to use a mod that makes the content easier. Heck I know the Ultimate raids are hard, but all they really take is some dedication, which translates to an actual worked for achievement -- something that is becoming kind of rare in the ever homogenised player experience of FF14.
also also, give us WHM's our AoE DoT back!
XD i admire your bravery to just lead with ERP purposes on youtube with a feminine name. I salute you and wish u luck defending against the undoubtably toxic and horny comments to follow
See ! Lalafells can be wholesome to. Lemme no what you thought of the tonal shift down below x ! and as ever hit that subscribe button to make me part of your daily roulettes.
Hmm... I'm reminded of why I've been wanting to put together a static of friends before venturing out into anything resembling harder game modes.
in the end we decided to do it as a community
From what I can tell, btw, ACT and Cactbot don't directly interface with the game files. I think they just pull the data that's being sent out from the program over the internet already, or something like that. Not that this makes it okay, just a minor detail.
For what short time I did experiment with Cactbot, what I found was that at first I didn't know "Oh hey, that's an AOE coming up. Oh hey, there's about to be a mini-buster. Oh, I didn't know I should interrupt THAT mob!" It helped me learn about these things, while FFXIV base would just throw me to the wolves (veteran players) without so much as warning me that it's dangerous to go alone.
And JUST the other day, I had the shittiest Dohn Mheg run I've *EVER* had while leveling my SCH, because the tanks and DPS didn't know that the baskets NEED to be interrupted to prevent their ridiculously hard-hitting punch ability. I did know better from past experience leveling tanks and did my best to adjust, but there were still wipes (and in my experience, TELLING other players directly about things just gets met with attitude and injured pride, so I don't bother anymore). FFXIV is notoriously bad at helping players learn these dangers - especially because these dangers are RARELY thrown at us, so they're complete wildcards.
And as I got used to those mechanics, I found Cactbot itself less and less useful. I stopped having it play sounds at all, because those got distracting, but I found myself completely ignoring the text that popped up on the screen and actually recognizing enemy abilities properly. Maybe my first time in a fight, Cactbot proved to be a crutch that I leaned heavily on, but after that I started picking up the normal telegraphs that veterans got used to. I was able to make the connection "Okay, the boss is positioning like so with THAT animations, which means THAT mechanic is about to happen..."
This proved especially true with raids, trials, EXs, and savages. I began to recognize the common mechanics the devs like to regularly used, and how often they get repurposed or reflavored and eventually stopped noticing the addon trying to tell me ANYTHING because I was like "Oh, I know what that boss movement means!"
I say all this, again, not to say that it makes Cactbot okay, but to point out WHY mods like this get used, and I wish the devs would notice this and respond to it: The game is notoriously bad at explaining things and helping players learn. We get telegraphs and buff/debuff icons aplenty, but often our first encounters with a fight are full of anxiety and stress because we don't have ANY idea what's going on.
I remember when WoW first added the "dungeon journal" feature, where you could look up boss descriptions and basic capabilities before going in to fight them *in the actual game*. This would give you an idea of what is coming in terms of boss lore and some description of their abilities/spells, but you still had to learn how to actually resolve them yourself (and trust me, there were still SO MANY bad players even with that released).
I'm not saying that's the ideal solution, but Blizzard recognized this as a problem and did SOMETHING to try and respond to it. I'd like to see Yoshi-P try to deal with it because I imagine he would have a more unique solution.
Hall of the Novice was a nice attempt, but what barebones advice it gives can sometimes even be outdated, and it doesn't apply practically to current content design. (same with guildhests)
TL;DR: Players need a way to learn and improve in the game, and new players in particular need a way to catch up to long-time veterans. Cactbot is what many of them will turn to because the game doesn't have any good alternative right now
I think that's WHY the topic of addons is so divisive. Some players see the need behind them and respect that, while others respond with this stubborn "elitist jerk" attitude insisting that everybody should "git gud" the way they did, and often use increasingly condescending/insulting wordage. (In a way, it's even a form of gatekeeping)
It ends up being a problem of supply and demand. When a player's needs aren't being met by the devs, modders will step in.... and then modders will get REALLY carried away, beyond what they should be doing.
And I think this is low-key why the devs try to embrace a "don't ask, don't tell" policy, even while openly telling us not to use mods. They recognize it both as a necessary evil and a slippery slope.
The thing is it's predicated on the lie that players need Cactbot for x and y they don't it's absolutely cope
People don't use Cactbot to learn they use it because it benefits them , they wouldn't install it if it didn't have a direct benefit
Obv u agree it's aggressively cheating no matter how u look at it . There is nothing in this game u need an add on to learn and adjust tos
And yeah the power of mods trying out of control is what has slowly poisened wow I don't want that here especially when there is a significant portion of the player base playing on console who in such an event would end up being completely locked out of content
No add on in this game is needed . Non at all the game can be cleared without a single ounce of the cope people use to justify cheating
@@MythSamaelFFXIV - I think that depends on what you qualify as "need" exactly. People can easily come to the belief that they NEED help as a common response to encountering difficulty and stress.
There's some players who just hit a roadblock and never pick up on the stuff that veteran players are used to. People will learn things in different ways and won't always figure things out without someone pointing out something their brain won't notice.
And then often those veteran players WON'T explain things.
Which... frankly, is understandable, because often when we try to explain things, the players we're trying to help just get mad at us. They feel embarrassed and called out.
Which is the other side of the coin: newer players often aren't willing to turn to other people for help understanding the game because they feel self-conscious about their inexperience. They don't want to call attention to their inexperience and ignorance.
As I said before, there's nothing in-game to help players learn... There's only community.
And THAT is a crutch in its own way. A crutch that devs rely on. I know this from experience as a Warframe player. If a player is struggling to figure out a game and they HAVE to turn to the community for help, they will often just quit instead....
Again, this doesn't excuse mods like Cactbot BUT the fact that people turn to such mods highlights a major flaw in FFXIV's game design.
I agree with you here tbh but I think a reliance on the experience to guide the new players is a great basis to form a mmo community
It's also the reason add ons are banned cause they incentivise experianced played to replace rather then coach
@DrakeWurrum your story is kinda funny. We just had the 4th season starting in WoW and I did some LFR for gear. Since we have the 2nd raid active atm. I was kinda expecting some people seeing it for the first time and did a quick guide on the upcoming bosses keymechanics.
In all wings I had several people thanking me and sometimes people will start asking more questions.
Sometimes I end up spending like an hour with a random after completing a dungeon and giving him tips about the game, answering his questions etc.
Especially during LFR or harder dungeons I have seen plenty of players also helping with explaining mechanics. Most of them only do that after a wipe though.
Thing is there's a lot of great HC players that teach new players how go start HC content.
But it would be nice to see the game having more resources for teaching players about how to use their 'aoe' rotation etc. You know some basics of rotation, mechanics
I agree there isnt really any form of robust tutorial, Re restructured starting experiance for new players that condenses the story to get rid of the 400 hour requirement and a comprehensive guide would be useful
I'm a returning player that's been casual as fuck since starting, and was curious about playing around with an addon or two honestly. Nothing game breaking, or cheating, maybe like a texture enhancer, or like model/effect changes for attack animations or something, I don't know. Eh.
I'm probably too scrub for any of this to apply to me.
I have nothing against people using add ons personally. I dont because WoW killed that idea for me but my only issue with add ons is when people use them to bully, gatekeep and force on others x
@@MythSamaelFFXIV I'm also a WoW Refugee that started FF14 right before ShB hit. I think I just got so burnt out in BfA. It wasn't fun anymore, and I mostly played to be with friends, but I hated the game. Enter FF14. I played at initial disasterous launch, and wish I would have come back for ARR. I let WoW and GW2 suck me back in.
But yeah, so far I've avoided the add-ons/mods. I'm just glad it doesn't seem nearly as toxic like WoW's GearScore addon got to be. Like omfg.
I've been thinking about this a lot.. I think FFXIV should bite the bullet, and create some form of in-game parsing tool/leaderboard. Maybe not something as complex as ACT but enough to be able to see what your relative contribution was compared to party members. This would include separate meters for mitigation/healing done so tanks and healers can also gain value.
A big argument on the side of ACT: I want to optimize, and I want teammates to optimize
A big argument against ACT: Ad-ons gatekeep players and especially console players who can't use them even if they wanted to
It may not be the best solution, but I feel like it's an elegant one.
Id agree if only you could see your own metrics but i fall off the moment its shared data, its unhelpful and 99% of the playerbase would use it to reactively blame someone.
@@MythSamaelFFXIV I wouldn't hate something like that. I think a lot of people do want some form of shared data though. Potentially just adding the option to share/hide data would be good. I know that's already a thing with ACT but my thought process with this is just to make the whole system more accessible.
The majority of the people who want shared data shoudnt be given shared data. Again its sad but 99.9% of people who use act now dont no how to interpret a damage metre. Giving them a green lit way for them to access this information is bad for the game
Mare is whatever.
We all degens can degen however we like.
But I'm actually glad that I'm playing this game on PlayStation and can clear content (savages/Ultimates) without all this Allisae Mom bullshit.
I mean according to some people in this comment section, You don't exist because no one can clear content without *insert add on here*
@@MythSamaelFFXIV I'm cheating by using my body add-ons I guess...
Ya know... Like eyes... ears... brain...
:O someone ban this man
@@MythSamaelFFXIV in like 50 years Earth will ban me I guess.
The tonal shift was a suprise, but I don't know about wholesome, so never fear.
Yeah I'm British :( insults are our love language so I guess we can never have an opinion on add ons
@@MythSamaelFFXIV Juat means everyone hearing the opinions need to learn about some love. ;)
lol this game is so much less toxic nowadays than it was during the 2.x patches.
Not sure about that. While it never was ultra toxic to begin with, the toxicity is there and always was there even in 2.x. The vast difference is that back in the day it wasn't about streamers and youtubers inciting holy wars over addon usage and optimal play in ultimates and world first races. It was about healers being unable to power through unreasonable boss to boss pulls in leveling dungeons and dps gear being 5 item levels behind the curve. You can certainly argue those were easier, more innocent times, but having to put up with it sucked as much as these endless debates of today do.
game is too easy: make a duty that cannot be queued for preformed or unsynced and forced minilvl, have it be savage difficulty, then lock behind a reward and sidequest to surpass ultimates, thatl make the game go from its too easy, to its too hard
Another problem with add ons. Players get a new fight, break it with add ons, call the game to easy. The devs make something more challenging, the players break it with add ons etc etc...
dynamis makes. me cry . starts video feels EMOTIONS? ahhh! lol jkjk, ty for making this very good vid, you're right!
Haha thank you !
Bold of you to assume that people would find robbing a bank to be immoral /s
Only point I'd make is that not all addons are created equal, and most addons mentioned in this video are straight up cheats (barring the High-Ping one).
For example, there is an addon that prevents you from seeing and interacting with another player. It basically removes them from your perspective, which is a great way to combat stalkers since SE doesn't really have a solid system to help players with their ingame functions (It's 2024, why does unfriending someone not remove you from their friendlist?).
Chat bubbles is also something that should be default, frame-limiting options as well. Or hell - just having concept art as loading screen instead of everything going black!
I'm not surprised that this video has received 25% dislikes because from what I gather most people who use plugins are using the addons/plugins mentioned above and only a fraction are using the ones you mentioned in the video. So you might've targeted the wrong crowd overall and they probably didn't bother finishing the video :(
Im talking about add ons so i typically see around 80% likes - 20% percent dislikes. Its just as it goes I dont mind.
And yeah i agree like i said in the beggining of the video despite all this i dont care what add ons people run. I only start caring when there forced on or used to gatekeep others. cause thats dumb, toxic and bad for a game
I use ACT to help myself but if someone tried to block doing context because some parse bs are the ones that can kiss my ass lol. Parse only applies to DPS an thats all people focus on when thats not the game lol
Best take honestly . I had to reiterate I don't care if people use add ons I care about it when it directly impacts others
I've been raiding a ton and parse numbers never mattered for almost anyone in prog/reclear environments.
In parsing parties specifically people might ask you to already have a decent parse, which is a fair thing to ask for.
People kicking other people for low parses in NON-parsing parties usually cant pull high numbers themselves anyway.
I should become friends with Erik too.
Never, Eric will be kept seperated from the public
I'm not advocating addons. I'm not saying you need them to play the game. I'm not saying their good. And I'm also not saying they are justifyable from both a moral or ToS standpoint. However...
I've got a bit of a nuclear take: Cheating is not possible in a PvE environment.
I think of things in FFXIV like radars, cactbot, autorotation, etc to be equilvalent to things like creative mode or X-Ray in minecraft. Do these programs enhance the ability of their users beyond what's normally possible? Yes. Here's the thing though, no one is being exploited. There is not any "advantage" to be had (unless you're racing or parsing - which is a whole other conversation), which is a fundamental pillar of cheating. "Cheating", definitionally speaking, requires a group of people to be put at a disadvantage. FFXIV is a PvE game, and as such, having a "cheater" in your party only stands to benefit you. The only person being exploited is the boss, the NPCs, or (arguably) the improvement of the addon user. Addons in FFXIV doesn't infringe upon anyone else's ability to play or enjoy the game. And the "It takes away the feeling of an honest victory/clear" arguement doesn't hold up either. How you feel when you clear as it pertains to someone using addons requires you to have prerequisite knowledge that someone is, in fact, using addons - which, most of the time, you don't know that (unless they openly tell you). You'd almost never know the difference between who is using addons and who isn't, and as such, the only person of whom's pride is at risk - is the "cheater." Again, I'm not defending addons, but I think attempting to draw paralells from this to, say, someone using an aimbot or ESP hack in a PvP shooter is a bit unfair.
*Super TL;DR:* People using addons in PvE environments doesn't infringe on anyone's ability to play or enjoy the game without prerequisite knowledge thereof - which you almost never have - unless you're world's first racing or parsing. Which, in the latter case, you'd also be using addons/"cheats" and therefore be a hypocrite lol. The reason addons suck is because people become dependant on them and can't improve at the game - _not_ because they are cheating.
So this take wasnt nuclear and I agree with it to a degree . As I said in my video I have no problems with people using add ons for personal use ...still don't . You are 100% correct it's a victimless crime
That being said when it goes from personal use to being forced on others , used to gstekeep others or people playing stock are being compared to people cheating ( parses ) that's when it becomes an issue to me
And if cheating requires people to be put a disadvantage then console players in party finder absolutely are
W take actually?
@@MythSamaelFFXIV also you don't need to cheat to parse high, but you often need to use different tactics and more optimised rotations on a per fight basis. It can also not help if you don't have bis
Hope that helps
You completely missed the point
In order to parse high your expected to perform better or similarly to those who are cheating . Fflogs cannot tell who's using what add ons
Hope that helps .
@@MythSamaelFFXIV I 100% agree with the first part. When addons become forced on others and/or become a method or instrument to gatekeep, degrade, and monitor other players - then I have a huge problem. That's why parsing in this game is a diesese. It decimates the middle-class of players, and further kills the population density in the raid scene.
However, I think we agree to disagree on the second part. Console players are only at a disadvantage when they are either (a) being made to install addons as a prerequisite or (b) they are fighting someone who is using addons in a PvP enviornment. In the latter case, this doens't happen in raids or in the overwhelming majority of FFXIV's content. There is no advantage to be had when comparing a console player to a addon player because they are working together. Therefore, the console player only stands to benefit from having an addon user in their party. A prime example of this was Auto Markers in DSR. I promise you, no console player on the planet was complaining about AM when they were trying to get their clears. It was a massive help because it benefits the team. Likewise, Console players, while being barred from accessing addons, aren't actively competing or fighting against those who aren't, and are therefore _not_ at a disadvantage.
Parsing is related with add-on use? What a surprise....
Its genuinly suprising the amount of people who dont realise this, Till you ask them where they think the logs come from
o7 to all the people banned for buff timers, something we now have base game and something that i can't believe didn't exist before.
o7 to people that used chat bubbles and got banned, a feature they're adding...
Now can we get some people to put hats on bunnies so they add those too? o7 to you
I hear no lies in this video
Thank you ! I knew I could be wholesome sometimes XD
I’m one of the few players that uses ACT to judge myself and my raid team. However, you are not booted from my team due to low dps. I see low dps, I see an opportunity to teach and to learn. You want to be booted from my team? Be a dick. Had a player whose personality was his parse and he was swiftly replaced
Not all heroes wear capes , you are proof of this
The fact people use add ons to remove rather then teach is precisely why there banned. I have zero issues with add ons used to improve self or others and I completely agree . Attitude over DPS everyday of the week
So are things that are purely visual okay?
ofc, honestly every add on is okay untill it is either forced on or delibratly effects others although they are technically still against the rules
Mods are against the rules, so not "Okay" in the general sense. However, the actual talk is about people who use mods to gatekeep content in the game. World of Warcraft has most mods allowed and the developers create content for the game with that in mind (to the point that some content is near impossible without them), but they also have a huge player problem with people banning you from doing certain content at all unless you're drowning in add-ons. SqEnix doesn't want that problem present in the game (though people still do it), so it's just easier to say no mods are allowed at all. If you DO use them, it's not too difficult to just keep that info to yourself and not use it to determine whether or not players can join your party.
While I don't necessarily disagree with your take here, its important to note that not all addons are crutches.
Yeah I have never used addons in my 4 years of playing
You'll never need to!
F*ing Brilliant love the comedy and you are correct on those points as well
I really appreciate that thank you x !
Well I feel if I do not leave a comment here something will seem unfinished.
1. I will subscribe to say fuck that guy, becuase those who are experinced are those who can give a real answer to many new players questions. The most toxic thing in FF14 is the bucket crab mentality of the community, it is better to drag others down then help lift them out. Why during farm when some gear was not needed by core we would use those boses to help train new players and use the data to help improve them inreal time all while giving them the gear as we moved on to the content people need gear from or is progresstion. Oneo fthe major issues people will yell to get an addon but not tell you why.
2. 99% of players for any PVE content are not "Competing" they are playing in there own small ponds having there own progrestion with the content. One thing I would argue is toxic is the idea of being better the somone makes you an expert of the game when most of the time its blind leading blind. The real take away is find a group that is the same commitment level as you, no one wants to play with someone who is vastly different on that scale in either direction for hours to days at a time without reward.
3.Add-ons are a scale from This is RP stuff who cares?, should just be in the game already Yoshi P, disablity options, information accessablity, revealing information, questions of gamer ethics and games journalism of it might be playing it for you, to lastly "Call the GMs that man is cheating". I feel this video does a better job showing this scale and name dropping what is felt to be the problem children ehlps the argument on certain offenders since it helps getting a head of more obvious counters. (ChatCoordinates should be in the game, I should not have to DL an addon to havea flag placed on my map when I click corrdinates in the text box when runing maps with friends, fucking unplayable.)
4. I do find it realy sad so many dont use these tools for good, because how can one coach someone getting better and find the problems without the information to see them in the first place? It might be the ivory tower issue is when you are someone who is up there and use the tools for good or as they are built for you are blind to the evil the common man uses them for? Who knows with all our back and forths we might have to do a colab on the topic.
Thank you for the support ! and coudnt agree more x
I feel cheated on... I'm not upset -.-
cheated on :O
@@MythSamaelFFXIV You can keep the "on" then :P
I am so confused XD
@@MythSamaelFFXIV me too... imma go to bed XD
Sleep well and for what its worth , I hope you wernt actually cheated on x
IDGAF about optimization addons. Addons should just be for visuals and aesthetics. Granted a DPS meter would be baller if it was native to the game. But it's not, so meh.
I'd love a personal meter or some form of tracking that can opted out of. It's funny though all those people who say it's just s tool for self improvement ... Would be ousted immediately when they complain they can't see anyone elses DPS
Hey so while I agree with all the sentiments regarding addons, I also have a use case for some that is really on the edge. I like challenging content. I love XIV. The only problem I have is that the only challenging content really is savage and extreme etc. now you might be going yeah no manure but hear me out. As someone with a rather unique mental health profile I find it incredibly difficult to remember and react to some of the really long multiple phase fights. This normally wouldn’t be too much of an issue, but I also live in Aus. Even though Material DC is there, from what I have seen it’s kinda trash. Plus I have always played on Aether anyway. The issue is that even with good internet and everything, quite often I will run into the issue of being outside of a marker and still get hit. Yes I know I have to move earlier but this also puts even more cognitive load on me. And I think the issue is that for the devs and most JP there will be no latency because Japan is a small couple of islands and so they are close to the servers. So for me being able to run something that will take the cognitive load of moving early off of me is actually really helpful
Hey thats valid, I fear because of the impact of my later statements the earlier part of my video is forgotten but lemme reiterate i have no problems with add ons people are using for personal use . i no theres many reasons for it. My only issue comes when they are used to gatekeep others or forced on others more importantly !
And hey I have DID and Dyslexia, It takes me time to learn things and commited them to brain also !
What I'm salty about are all of these fantastic job action reskin mods that I don't feel comfortable checking out because I'm skirting the line enough running the game on linux.
I feel this, i dont use any add ons out or principle and hatred of what happened to wow but I saw a Goku monk reskin recently and got jelous not gunna lie XD
I like no clippy, so I can actually play MCH
I take it you are talking add-ons that alter the game play is some way rather than simply being entirely cosmetic, like shaders.
Yes , though I do say I don try mind people using any add ons for personal use this video is more to those who use them and push them on others or use the information from them to dunk on others .
The only addons that I got no problem with are the purely cosmetic ones, like viera hat mods and the ones used by folks running around in their undies...
I dont really have a direct problem with any of them untill they start effecting others. My issue is the gatekeeping and the mess that is pvp right now
TextToTalk best addon
i use one addon, cause WHY ON EARTH IS MONK GCD TIED TO MY FPS IN SUCH A CURSED FUCKING WAY xD
(also, i could just run the 1.93 set, but i'm omni melee, and don't want to remeld every piece of gear every time i want to play another strength dps)
fair
I don't really care if it's cope or not at least on the mnk gcd this game feels like complete ass without alex/noclippy so I will use it and pity anyone who is stupid enough to eat playing with the busted base gcd
If it helps all power to you, Like i said i draw the line only when they are used to gatekeep or forced upon others. Although i do think its dumb to say people unwilling to cheat are stupid
10/10 takes
Thank you ! I appreciate that x
If you are using addons to clear endgame content, here are some VERY HARD truths for you:
1) You are cheating. No ifs and/or butts. It gives you an advantage, and is explicitly against the rules. It is cheating.
and 2) You are cheating to clear content that was designed to be cleared without cheating. This means you suck, and are a little wus. Any bragging rights you think you earned are null and forfeit. The sprout that just complimented your glowing weapon or mount would probably laugh at you if they knew you cheated for it. And deep inside, your friends think you're hollow, fake, and are less as a player.
lastly 3) You can never un-cheat. If your first clear was using cheats, it does not matter if you ever clear without cheating later. No one will care. Because you're a cheater. Once someone knows you did, EVERY clear is suspect.
Go ahead and say you don't care about other people's opinion. You definitely don't afk with your weapon out in an edgey pose in Limsa every night. Or fight the e-girls and cosplay freaks for the highest visibility spots.
Big fan of the hostility with little direction of intent, cast a wide net, the ones who get the most mad are the ones this is meant for.
0.5x gang↙
And i salute you good sir ! For having the patience to still hear what i have to say even in the slowest of motions. x Thanks for the support
would you consider having more than two or three words on screen at the same time for your subtitles? I’m finding the automated CC to serve me better when it’s accurate but it’s really distracting to have those and yours on screen at the same time especially with the highlighting swapping back and forth with the cadence of your speech
I will look into it for Wednesday's upload , I did use to have more words on screen I've just been experimenting trying to find the right balance x
Thank you for the feedback it's appreciated !
I think we're going to disagree on this topic no matter what arguements I bring up since it seems you have your mind set on this. I'm a cheater in your eyes and honestly I don't care. I use both ACT and NoClippy, those two being the only things I will ever put my hands on and I will refuse to even touch the game as long as NoClippy doesn't work, and if CBU3 were to disable the use of 3rd party tools alltogether in form of an anti-cheat, I would find myself in the boat of people quitting. As you brought up, using these tools are like a crutch. You might be able to get from point A to point B reliably albeit slow with a broken foot and no help, but with a crutch you will be able to do it with much less pain and more speed. I play on NA Datacenters from EU. All of my friends online are Americans/Canadians, and I've known most of them longer than I've even played FF14 to begin with. I tried playing the game without addons to begin with, since I had the same mentality as you, I thought addons made WoW unfun and the community Elitist. But after even just a short while of doing the story casually (Started around Endwalker release) I noticed how clunky the combat in this game felt. I didn't know it had to do with my high ping of 220 since most modern games don't base animation lock via latency. But I thought its how the game was meant to be played.
After finding out about the glaring issues related to high ping I tried everything to lower my ping, I downloaded and paid for VPN after VPN, tried Exitlag (the one you suggested) but at most my ping got lowered from 220 to around 180. Still unable to reliably double weave without clipping I put down the game when I beat the story. The combat wasn't fun and it felt like no matter what I do, I have an inherent disadvantage. But come patch 6.2 the new Savage tier got released and I saw the shiny Abyssos axe and got enthralled into trying my best to clear the content just to get my hands on it. After finding a casual group to start P5s, the glaring issue was worsened, tank busters during burst windows made it impossible to even consider keeping my dps rotation up to even survive. Thats the moment I gave in. I downloaded XIVAlexander for the first time (switched to noclippy shorty after) and never looked back. The game was playable for the first time.
And here comes the crazy part. I now LOVE XIV's combat, I think it feels amazing to play if you have the ability to actually fully experience it the way it was intended. Nothing feels quite as rewarding as the DRK opener to me. Spam buttons and do massive damage. I got into optimization and wanted to become the best I could be. Abyssos down, I went into TEA. Leading into the next Savage Tier, leading into DSR and TOP. This game can actually be fun if you have the ability to play it. And all that is thanks to NoClippy. It is a crutch yes. But in no universe am I going to walk without it again.
I really urge you to try making an alt character on a Datacenter across the world, preferrably a tank, level it up to level 20ish. And then try to hit a target dummy, and double weave inbetween GCDs, it feels horrible. I am okay with adjusting in mechanics and doing homebrewed shit due to ping (DSR P6 Wroth comes to mind) but in no world can I agree that the game is working as intended when it comes to rotations and animationlock. It has to be changed. They day they do, I will return to vanilla. But until then, I will PROUDLY be a filthy cheater.
When I came back to Ffxiv I was as playing with my friend in the NA data centre , I averaged around 170-200 ping the game wasn't unplayable and I mained gun breaker . I did end up getting exit lag to bring it down a little bit but only cause I got tired of thinking I avoided mechanics only to still get hit by them outside the zone
I could easily adjust for this without the use of add ons .
Your argument falls apart when there is 2 entire platforms of people who can't access the tools your using still clearing content. THAT BEING SAID I have no issue with people using add ons for there own personal use. My issue starts when its forced on others.
@@MythSamaelFFXIV Yes, I still deal with your mentioned problem of feeling like being out of mechanics to this day aswell and it can get frustrating sometimes lol, but obviously "unplayable" was hyperbole, it just feels bad, at first I thought "Okay I got the timing down, and can double weave and it doesn't *look* too bad" but there were these tiny little *hiccups* where my gcd would just hold even for just a tiny little bit. Now we get into the reason I installed ACT, I wanted to see just how much these tiny little hiccups were actually affecting me. FFlogs has a tab under the Damage Breakdown that shows uptime. I used P6s as an example, I cleared the fight without noclippy before, got the timing down and only had these minor hiccups. The run I did without Noclippy my uptime was at 92%, the run right after with Noclippy it was at 99.6%.
These tiny almost unoticable hiccups I have noticed and thought aren't a big deal, ended up making almost as much of a difference than going from pentamelded crafted gear into Savage BiS. Yes I cleared the content, the damage checks in savage are pretty forgiving after all, but man did it feel bad to find out being at a disadvantage of at the very least 7.5% and thats not even counting missed cartriges/gcds under NoMercy.
I know it doesnt sound like a huge issue, but especially going into ultimate prog on content is going to demand you to at least have a solid rotation with close to full uptime whenever possible. If you would even do 5% less dps than is expected of you, meeting the dps check is going to be tough, early TOP prog, my static didn't even consider getting people that didn't at least clear all savage floors of p1-8s, and then mostly kicked people out based on if we died to enrage of p1 whenever we had them in. It's very cutthroat even to this day with catch-up dungeon Bis that outperformed Bis you had at the time.
I will continue using the plugins, unless they fix the issue at hand, I just disagree with a design-philosophy that disincentivises people to play with their friends from other regions, all I want from the devs is to fix it, I would honestly love this issue fixed more than the visual upgrade the game is getting, but one can only dream. I am currently working on levelling and EU alt just do do savage whenever plugins are down during patch time. And even just at level 80 it just feels so much better than high-ping combat.
I don't know if you have ever tried noclippy, probably not, but I assure you it does nothing that gives you an actual advantage over people with normal ping, it just evens the battlefield for people than don't have the priviledge of living close to the Datacenter. XIVAlexander could possibly give you an advantage. But you heavily have to mess with the sourcecode and will most likely be banned within a few days since it would be very easy to detect these faulty packets.
I've actually considered ACT to be worse than Cactbot. Cactbot solves the execution puzzles for you; it's a blatant cheat tool that is basically the MMO equivalent of an aim tracker. It only requires you to pull the trigger correctly. It's quite bad. But ACT is worse: it's the MMO equivalent of map and wall hacks. It sees all and knows all, logs everything and exposes everything, destroying any mystery that creates the fun in the game. Things that a human player might chalk up to RNG can be disclosed as player error by these tools, driving gameplay to a standard beyond the design of the game itself. This, in turn, creates a culture of exclusivity and harms the game community overall. Cactbot is a tool you can learn do to without, by simply using it; ACT is a tool that fosters a dependency, the more you use it.
I think this is honestly a solid take that can boiled down to ACT giving u enough information that you can effectively BLAME someone and when you play the blame game the idea is hardly to correct the person but to remove them.
I would argue that Cactbot DOESN'T solve the execution puzzle for you, although that likely depends on how much people customize it. If you haven't seen what it looks like on screen, then you wouldn't understand how little it actually does inform you of. Often it will just put text on the screen shouting something like "TITAN JUNCTION" - And that's literally all you will get. It won't tell you what the triangle markers that come after mean.
And if you know what Titan Junction (yes, it's from a specific fight) even means, then surely you recognize how a new player who doesn't know what that means will still die and will still have no clue why.
As to your main point... I can't say I agree with that, either? I regularly use ACT to just see how well I'm doing my own rotation, which... is something I specifically learn by checking what other players have figured out, usually. But outside of trying to improve at my own rotation, it serves zero purpose for me and I have no reason to open it.
And even then, recent times I've used it, it really hasn't helped me at all, because I KNOW what I'm doing and I KNOW what I'm doing wrong when it goes wrong, so ACT itself isn't really showing me anything I don't already know.
You're right that it can be used as a tool of exclusivity when people look at meters and kick people because of their numbers, but I've never seen that in action. People are afraid of that happening, but what *I* have personally seen and experienced is getting kicked from clear parties for making a single mistake on a mechanic exactly once.
@@DrakeWurrum it one hundred percent happens you'll see stories in this comment section , twitter , Reddit etc etc
The people who say it doesn't happen are usually already in a static ofc there not gunna see the pf experiance
I play both wow and ff14 but can't stand raiding in FF anyway lol. You get spoiled by combat in WoW and other games tend to feel a bit sluggish and such.
Loved wow for 16 years before now. Its just gotten out of hand the arms race between wow devs and mods has lead to mythic bosses requiring 400+ nerfs to be doable and even then they still require every add on under the sun
Tools that are used for their intent, and tools that get abused, muddies the water for add-on, and you speak well that, it mostly creates the gatekeeping culture that high-end content can have. And this is just the first symptom of an add-on being a problem. If people continue to claim the game is too easy due to addon help, it will create a arms race with the add-on vs. The devs thus make the game more exclusive to those that use add-ons. Wow suffer greatly from this. FFXIV not so much but it a long term evolution since it tied to the development of the game.
Exactly the situation im most afraid of, Because i played wow for 16 years and watched what slowly happened to it as a result. I dont want that in FF at all, not even slightly. I genuinly wished theyd enforce there policy more because i dont want this game going that way
Tbh, even bozjan characters have more main character energy than the scions sometimes-
Also let’s clear top (but you gotta come to oce) *wink*
Haha smooth . And yeah some of the scions are kinda dated
Also a EU player here, playing on NA, what the fuck is wrong with your ping lmao, get better Internet connection, i have a ping of 30-40
Thank you! I keep telling people any combat add on is cheating. It is like a doctor using AI to be just as good, not better, as his coworkers then expect to be treated and paid the same. It is like someone dressing up in military surplus gear and spending a night in the woods then saying they are just as tough, trained and demand the same respect and benefits as I get, a real US veteran. No one likes a poser. And that is 100% what these people are. They have to make the game easier because they suck at the game. If people cannot play the game with out add ons they suck at FFXIV bottom line end of story. The game has been beaten without them. It is like they give people canned pasta and demand everyone call them a chef and give them the same respect as the top 1% chefs in the world. They have to tell new players that the NEED the add ons to hide and justify their cheating and bring the general player skill in game DOWN to their level. And they will say, "ACT and Auto markers are not the same," but a kiss and making love are different as well but both are still a form of cheating.
Say it louder! Also Im a British veteran you get special props . Brothers in green are brothers in green regardless of where there from x I did 12 years in 2 RIFLES . British infantry
@@MythSamaelFFXIV 9 years US Navy on submarines. I was on the USS Florida (SSBN-728 and SSGN-728). Went on her last patrol and took her out to sea trials, then went to SubGru 7 in Japan for 3 years.
I could never do submarines , I hate the idea of being stuck in an enclosed space under water . I was 2 RIFLES for 12 years with multiple combat tours of Afghanistan aswell as security details in Kenya etc etc
@@MythSamaelFFXIV I am soft, I need a warm bed and clement control. lol.
You know all those nice QoL improvements we got during Endwalker? Yeah, they wouldn't exist if people weren't using plugins. Literally all of them were plugins first.
Plugins are driving the game forward in a positive direction.
They absolutely would exist without the plug in versions. Just because a plug in doesnt exist doesnt mean the problem isnt there to be fixed...and also my opinion isnt a blanket. I have no issue with QoL plug ins, My main issue as stated is against the more aggregious add ons and when they are pressed on people / used to gatekeep
@@MythSamaelFFXIV Of course the problems are there without plugins, but the devs aren't aware of them therefore they don't get fixed. QoL plugins bring these issues to the devs attention and also do a lot of the work for them in terms of designing a solution to the problem.
yes that nice strawman argument it also great way to say "trust me bro it fact"
@@mosley3485 I would take that with a huge grain of salt unless devs themselves that talked about what brought these issues to their attention. The devs of FF14 do play the game themselves. It's absurd to assume they haven't stumbled upon issues themselves and the community certainly doesn't need plugins to draw attention to them.
i cant follow what he is saying. but i like the video :D
I feel like most people dont give a shit either way as long as they are having fun with or without cheats. The PF guys with superiority complexes on both sides are kinda shouting at clouds. It wouldn't be too hard for the devs to block these tools or ban people using them but they choose not too. People will continue to use them until the devs crack down, but they will likely continue to pretend they dont exist as they would lose alot of subs.
That's my stance basically though I was lied about 😅. I don't care people use them , cool fine whatever but stop forcing them on others or justifying the fact your using them by saying there needed when it's fucking cope and cap
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thanks !
The thing is if square enix want they can break addons and make them unusable but they don't. Almost everybody on pc uses 3rd party addons one way or other
@@Maha-gx4zm first part is untrue and no they don't , it's cope by people unwilling to admit what there doing is cheating
Imagine an MMO where addons are looked down upon. FF14 and its community are a joke.
the bigger joke is the person defending add ons, tell me u need them to clear content without telling me you need them to clear content XD