A Multiverse DEFIANT Class and CREW: The Anaximander
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- Lower Decks Season 5 spoilers ahead! The Anaximander is a Section 31 spy ship, Defiant Class, that has the mission profile of exploring and sealing multiverse rifts into other dimensions and has a crew of mostly individuals from these realities. Curzon Dax, Garak, EMH Bashir, T'pol, Harry Kim, Harry Kim and Harry Kim make up the crews alongside Captain William Boimler. Let's take a look at their origins and the vessel itself.
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Point of nerd order! Julian was selected as a candidate to model the Long Term Medical Hologram (LMH) Not the EMH Mk2
Very Correct
You are technically correct, the best kind of correct.
Yes. Iirc, it was Andy Dick that modeled the EMH mark II.
While I do agree with what you said, we have to remember that this version of Julian is from a different reality, not the prime one. For all we know from his reality, he’s the one that could’ve been selected for the mark two
Mk. 2 was Andy Dick
I loved the fact the dimension-hopping ship had a Prime Directive against species that don't also have dimension-hopping technology.
Though given they seem to be in-verse for a few days, maybe some weeks at most- how would they make that distinction? Like, how often would Their Universe have Reality Hoppers blinking in or out, within scanning range? (Heck, they don't seem to be near Earth with all these DimHops- so puts the whole "observing ourselves" thing in question)
@@Sephiroth144 For all we know, Dimhopping could theoretically spit you out somewhere other than where you jumped from. If the visualization of the different realities as spheres on the viewscreen is literal and some dimensions are literally bigger or smaller, I could see it being the case.
@@CoralCopperHeadIn one of the preceding episodes the Cerritos encounters an Intrepid class from a much smaller reality so there's definitely a scale component
This episode was everything for me. I really like that Defiant variant.
Agreed. Some of my favorite characters came back.
@3Rayfire I like that them coming back felt natural and made sense. They did a good job I immediately recognized T'Pol and Kerzon before they said it. I was surprised I was right. I started cheering haha
This is the Section 31 movie I want.
Makes sense Section 31 would travel to other realities. imagine going to a timeline where the Excelsior transwarp project was successful and improved for another 100 years, Starfleet created a stable genesis device, allied with the Romulans and has developed advanced phasing cloaks or recovered any one of a hundred lost technologies or alien archives.
I also love how mundane William got with his assignments. Ceritos despite being a ship not meant to be a hero gets interesting things to do.
Technically the Genesis device does exactly what it's supposed to.
@@CoralCopperHead
The original in Wrath of Khan was dangerously unstable and the planet disintegrated so no unless you wanted it as a weapon.
It wasn't made clear if the mk II actually fixed the problem in Picard or just made minor improvements.
@@thanqualthehighseer I legitimately forgot the Genesis Planet went nova, my bad.
@@thanqualthehighseer pretty sure it was unstable because the genesis planet was formed from a nebula instead of an existing planet.
I think this version of Mariner change completely after her friends Sito die instead of having a devil may care attitude she's decided to play it safe not wanting to end up like her friend.
probably a reference to picards episode too!
Or maybe this Mariner wasn't stationed on DS9 during the Dominion war and didn't develop PTSD.
@@nunnayorz5836keep forgetting that happened to her.
@@nunnayorz5836 probably both.
@@nunnayorz5836 Who thought it was a good idea to put a bunch of science nerds in combat situations again - that is what MAKOs were for after all.
This episode was total fan service, but I loved it. It's a bit of a cheap trick to skewer multiverse tropes while indulging in them, but on the other hand, Garak x Bashir!
Garak x Bashir is particularly good because Andrew Robinson had said that he deliberately played Garak as flirting with Bashir but the producers refused to depict them as openly gay
Thank you a version of Rick
For the Julian hologram, it's possible that he's also from the Prime timeline there. I could, easily, see Section 31 acquiring the partially complete prototype from Zimmerman for their ship or ships
I love the hat tip to Tripp still being alive.
I really like parallel universe stories and I really liked what the episode said about them.
Nowadays, a lot of media use parallel universes in a simplistic way, which can be boring.
But the idea itself can be an excellent way of imagining possibilities and thus helping to reflect on our world.
Same. It's really easy to do multiverse stories badly (the Arrowverse, the Marvel live-action films, _Picard_ S02...), but my favorite works of science fiction are _EEAAO,_ _Steins;Gate_ and _The OA,_ which really exemplify what Sloane says about the power of multiverse stories.
Just like overusing time travel as a plot device, parallel universes can also turn into a crutch for poor writing.
@@OptimusWombat The term 'crutch' implies that it helps prop up the writing. It's not a crutch for poor writing, it's a symptom of it.
@@CoralCopperHead no, because when they're done well, time travel and parallel universe stories are excellent.
Point of nerd order! Dr. Garak isn't claustrophobic, so we can surmise, that his father wasn't as cruel as the prime-universe. And from that speculate that Cardassia was philosophically more moderate, than Prime Cardassia.
Him being in Starfleet also doesn't imply that Cardassia was friendly with the Federation since prime Garak was already working with them - it was only really his personal preferences in that realm that led to him keeping the Federation at arm's distance and limiting the degree of his involvement with them
Dude. You're hands down my favorite Trek channel.
When Lilley said she "doesn't know what a warp drive is" it got me thinking, how did the Vulcans of her reality get to Earth?
Good question. Imagine if they were stuck with sub light speed transport. But likely they just use another form of FTL.
Yeah this bothered me too. Although their reality shift drive can clearly move through space as well, so maybe they just use that?
Vulcans have Warp Drive. They came to Earth when Cochran activated the Phoenix's warp drive.
@@FoxMagi clearly not in the universe in question, since they've never heard of warp.
Maybe their home universes physics does not allow for Warp drive, but osme other form of FTL?
There is a fan audio called the section section 31 files group of people called Dark projects. (Starting in 2005 and ran until 2010, 38 episodes in total) I have feeling that the writing staff of Lower Decks has/was fan of it as this episode has some very interesting similarities and the fan audio is well worth checking out
Yay! Someone who knew about dimensions that were slower than ours.
The Sliders episode where the characters appear to travel back in time is called "As Time Goes By"; in this episode, the team encounters a world where time flows backwards, meaning effects happen before causes, creating a very strange and confusing reality for them to navigate.
Key points about "As Time Goes By":
Time reversal concept:
The primary plot revolves around the Sliders landing on a world where time runs in reverse, causing events to unfold backwards.
Causality confusion:
This leads to situations where the characters witness things happening before they actually occur, creating a paradoxical and challenging scenario.
Episode details:
The episode features the team trying to understand the reversed timeline and find a way to get back to their own reality
As Time Goes By”
Episode no. Season 2 Episode 6
The Slider series is where, Jerry O'Connell was stationed before he was the Commander Jack Ransom is the first officer of the USS Cerritos in Star Trek: Lower Decks:
I remember that episode of Red Dwarf...also of Star Trek: TAS...
This episode pays off years of watching and reading trek.. I’d smiled so hard whole episode.. this show is a jewel ❤
Also, thank you for educating me as to who Anaximandros was.
I absolutely LOVE the design for the Beagle and I need a model of it right now. The XCV-330 is my favourite Enterprise just for how semi realistic it looks and feels for early spaceflight, I was really happy to see another ringship
Everything in this episode was a win. I love the Anaximander and any Defiant variant.
They called her Dax in the alternate universe which suggests she has the Dax symbiont as well. And Julian was not to be emh-2 he was to be an LMH long term medical hologram.
I will say I really like the storytelling potential for Cochrane developing multiversal travel instead of FTL travel. An alternate "United Federation of Planets" (probably wouldn't be called that, but you get the idea) comprised of hundreds of alternate Earths would make for a really fascinating faction IMO.
The ship also had the Section 31 vanity shield from STO
Thank you, Terran Ric!
I just went with temporal hi-jinx for the reason why so many crew members where from different times. Actually its a excuse I considered using for a STO Machinima.
Great episode and excited about the finale. Defiant class still looks so bad ass. I'm really going to miss this show
Ok, I'm gonna go catch up on Lower Decks before i watch this lol
I really wish the Beagle was an NX class variant in this episode 😢
Fun idea I had about Section 31 and the obvious problem with them using Starfleet vessels for their missions: they invent an alien species! You set up shop on some world. Maybe it's a world where it's people went extinct, maybe there aren't any aliens there at all. If they did exist, you use their ships, modified with cutting edge UFP tech. Otherwise, you have to create a whole new type of ship from a mysterious, uncontacted alien species.
The benefit of this is you can operate where the UFP can't, and you can make friends where a SF captain would get into trouble.
Admit the S31 paint job on the defiant class ship is nice
On Holo Bashir, if the LMH program had started a few year earlier in his reality then it seems entirely possible that the EMH mk 1 might have still existed in his reality, but that his Voyager might've either been outfitted with only an LMH or with both. That certainly seems a lot more plausible than any version of Zimmerman being humble enough to model the EMH mk 1 off anyone besides himself.
There is a scene where boimler said he “fkn hates the multiverse” you see the MSD, it finally shows about 8 decks
In some realities The USS Defiant might have either only got to the prototype phase or never have been made at all.
Since Sisko made it get made and O'Brien fixed it's design problem that would otherwise shake it to pieces.
So the pennant is a bad idea perhaps if they want it to be an "unknown vessel" - which aside from the Starfleet logo it might do reasonably well as it is made of different materials to many other ships and it even has functional aspects moved around and changed (like blue Bussards for example).
Nice to see it land too.
The XCV-330 is covered more in pre TMP books like SpaceFlight Chronology. That's where I recall seeing it in the early 80s. My copy is in a box somewhere around here. That book also has quite a different take on who Zephran Cochrane was and his history.
10:10 regardless of the ship's design lineage, the Starfleet delta emblazoned on the hull should be a dead giveaway.
To be fair, when S31 has been depicted from the outside they usually try to pass themselves off as a much more benign part of Starfleet rather than a completely unrelated group
or the garak from the one univeres where Worf kept jumping realities there was one where Bajor attacked and enslaved Cardassia and was very warlike, this garak could be from there joined starfleet to better himself as a doctor and who knows a natural tailor who was a freedom fighter, too cool space SLIDERS, that would be a great series to touch on i have a theory of the escape pod kim what if that voyager escaped the pitcher plant but kim set up a reaction that literally vaporized and he got out but with mental instability cause of the psychic connection it has with the crew and ship cause of the neural interface, him feeling the crew was compromised did the unthinkable and went psycho and not wanting to return to that reality did a second incident, but also attracting attention to many unwanted guest
What a banger of an episode this one was.
I love how it has RGB Gamer™ shields
Dang, that Cochrane wasn’t satisfied with just designing a warp drive, he had to build a reality-hopping drive?? I know you’re supposed to dream big, but isn’t a multi-century technological hop a bit _Too_ ambitious? 🤯
I mean, HE did want to go the warp route, but Lily convinced him otherwise
My main question is "okay, so they've been hopping realities; aren't they supposed to head back at some point", ya know, to share, or at least so the crew can see their friends/family/make sure Earth wasn't taken over by the Romulans?
I loved this episode, a lot of ds9 callbacks, returning cast, openly gay couple, confirming that garak was really into julian in that first meeting.
I certainly buy that Garak was into Bashir, but technically this doesn't prove anything. Alternate reality and all.
7:30 ;My bet is that that Kim was kicked out of the voyager crew for being unstable.
Ironic that the unstable Kim is also the only one that ever got promoted, lol.
@@OptimusWombat The more unstable Starfleet officers seem more likely to seek out promotion: thus Kirk and Picard staying captains as long as they can, Spock not seeking command, the senior staff of the hero ships staying put for so long...all while crazy admiral after corrupt admiral after incompetent commodore keep making their lives difficult. Even Admiral Shelby eventually screwed up and left Starfleet vulnerable to the Borg. The good eggs seem to avoid promotion to stay out in the field exploring and helping folks. Mariner may be the exception that proves the rule, stabilitywise...
@@dupersuper1938counter-argument: as seen in TNG Tapestry, Picard would have remained a career Blue Shirt Lieutenant if he'd played it safe and by the book. It was reckless, perhaps even slightly unstable Picard that picked a fight with a bunch of Nausicaans.
@@dupersuper1938the key seems to be to have that bit of unstableness within you, and to keep it under control rather than let it take control of you.
@@OptimusWombat Counter-counter argument: Tendi and Rutherford are delightful. Tapestry's a great episode, but it kinda' does career science officers dirty.
It's honestly not as ridiculous of a premise as it sounds at first. Certainly less out there than like half of TOS, and a good bit of TNG. Even Voyager and DS9 had encounters with other realities, and Enterprise went through that whole Temporal Cold War arc, which requires a whole tangle of interwoven timelines...
I'm surprised no one did a video compared Voyager A (Lamarr Class) and Voyager B (Pathfinder class) yet.
I actually like the black and metal paint job on it, makes it more unique to the standard meh ones the federation usually has.
The Anaximander does have a Cloak, we saw it when Boimer was recruited into S31.
Loved this episode ❤ I'm still holding out that these characters transition to a new show if lower Decks finishes 🥺
i found lower decks extremely annoying when i started watching it. It grows on you.
Shame it got cancelled. At least we got to see William Boimler again.
9:50 in S3E8 when William is drafted into section 31, we see what is presumably the Anaximander decloaking, so it does seemingly have one
It's possible that this version of Garak joined Starfleet upon being exiled.
Imagine the Shenanigans the Borg could have gotten up to with a dimension-jump drive. Makes you wonder.
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"A string of Harry Kim(s)" More like: i lost count after 20
A lack of a registery could be to reduce possible suspicions if it were to appear in a reality where a defiant classAnaximander already exists but isn’t a reality traveller.
As far as I'm concerned, Trip wasn't killed in 2261 in the prime universe either: I very much go with the books here. Just a Section 31 cover up to hide his involvement in the Romulan War and the Romulans origins. Poor Riker: he seems to really like that program by the time he's captaining the Titan. He must've been crushed when Jake and Nog learned the truth.
Some of the other timelines must indeed be at different years relative to the prime timeline. I can maybe buy Curzon being alive in the 2380s, but Lillie???
Maybe that stroke Mitch had was actually his conscience making a return before the end.
I'll admit, I kinda feel, I don't know how else to say this, "right in the middle" about this episode!
Ambivalent maybe.
The many Harry Kim's
Nerd moment: i noticed that the nacelle colors were blue and additional impulse engines were mounted at the end of the incorporated nacelle
Likely Anaximander does have cloak device one we saw in Crisis Point 2: Paradoxus" Did seem to have had cloak devices it seem decloak when the starship show up screen
SPACE!!!
Wait, what?
The last episode out on Amazon UK for me is Upper Decks.
Damn, I'll come back to this in a week's time😅.
Temporal personnel recovery. They finally admitted they do that. Wow.
the fact that william boimler made captain before his brother is so strange
I looked at the dark Defiant and assumed it was a homage to the USS monitor from The Return in the Shatnerverse book series
Bashir was a candidate for the LMH (Long term medical hologram) in the prime reality, NOT EMH.
But in his reality, maybe Bashir was the EMH. Is what he is saying
You are correct! I forgot that the EMH.2 is technically not the LMH and assumed the common idea that the LMH project was scraped in favour of the M2.
So there was the EMH, EMH 2, LMH, M2
Will you do a show on the many medical holograms?
Specifically since the Doctor is in Starfleet Academy
Hi Rick!
Long time viewer. Love the channel. You have made videos for other IP besides star trek. Would you consider some episodes dedicated to final fantasy?
the alt realities and fissures is one reason why the Tholians with their hive mind keeps tabs on all fissures including temporal they are in search of whoever is creating them to begin with the multiple borg coalition is taking advantage of them someone or something is creating them either for sport or just to be a troll but also the young created universe in ds9 that was sent through the wormhole to be safe and grow, and in manyr realities some could represent a far furure or past time is never really relative even SLIDERS this was touched on when Quinn met a 12 year old version of himself at the moment he believed it was an alt 96 but in real reality it was 1984,
My guess is that the many Kims are a reference to the VOY Kim coming from a parallel timeline.
wish i could watch season 5, but because paramount apparently dislikes norway, there are no legal ways of watching the show outside of buying it on bluray
VPN and change your country to one that you can view it. Or piracy is always an option. It's only illegal on the level of jaywalking.
Why the hell would you not pirate it?
@@berndbernd3464 because i dont trust pirate sites to not give me a virus
@@mrfleagalVPN
@@berndbernd3464 If you pirate episodes of Star Trek, are you...a space pirate?
In my novels, which have a multiverse, universes that are behind the times like T'pol's are called "trailing universes," and ones that are ahead of time are called "timeskip universes."
To be honest, I thought Picard became a Trill...
In order to maintain cosmic balance Kims must remain as ensigns.
What would that mean for Star Trek Online???
Wait, hang on- how did the Prime Universe have multiple incursions/fissures if the Beagle was jumping universes (not just bouncing around the Prime)?
The Marvel version of the Guardians of the Multiverse!
Isn't the Marvel version of the Guardians of the Multiverse...the Guardians of the Multiverse?
@ Yes
there might be a reality where it was Robert Picard who went to Starfleet instead of Jean luc, and Jean went on to do something he always desired behome enjoying the vineyard and artist life with a big family while Robert might have an affair or marriage to Tasha Yar and the switch up with Troi she was caught by the Romulans and her son instead of Sela was a commander and cause of different events became a Pirate with the Emerald Chain, so many universes to explore and catalog it would be fun for meand who knows in the robiverse ill call it the borg like Jiraty variant helped ships by copying data as the only price for repairing and healing crew members ships how that borg became aa repository Library medics of the known universe there and trying to stave off a huge pitcher plant invasion.
Did the Lower Decks ship still have the Starfleet arrowhead? The model here does, but it looks like it was built in Star Trek Online.
Certified Ingame uses a LOT of visuals for ships from STO I think because Cryptic partners with them and Paramount doesn't care about them using game footage vs extensive episode footage. Yes, the in episode Anaximander did have the Starfleet Delta visible forward of the Bridge.
Close! I am not partnered with STO, although I have spoken to some of the devs and art team before as part of research. However I do use extensive footage from STO as it is not claimed by CBS, Paramount and such!
@@CertifiablyIngame That's what I was referring to. I've watched most of your STO Story Series so I know you had permission to use game footage, or at least they looked the other way while you did.
Lower Decks is pretty fun.
Today I learned Certified Ingame does not have access to a Section 31 Vanity Shield.
This is true
SCIENCE!!!
The universe is perfect.
The multiverse has issues.
This is just a Star Trek adaptation of FTL:Multiverse! 😅
So if they ever did a new season of Enterprise or a long trek movie
Trip can come back, faking death, and Section 31, and the Romulan war.
Then retired to marry T'Pol
I felt like William was speaking for me during most of this episode. I was dissappointed that they ended up making turn around on the Multiverse nonsense.
this episode shows why it is not a good idea to ever promote harry kim from ensign
It may not have a registry but it has a USS AXIMANDER name... duh we know who you are. Plus the UFP emblem in the front middle. *eye roll*
The alternate universe not habing warp drives is a huge plothole.
How the f do they move around when they are exploring alternate realities?
This has been one of my ideas for star trek since watching Sliders. If humans could explore alternate realities and gain tech developments from Earth's that had developed on different paths.
I can’t imagine ever watching Lower Decks, but this does sound kinda cool.
Its rick and morty lite, which might be a good thing, that show gets a tad bonkers
The humour started out more miss than hit for me, but that turned around as the seasons progressed.
Where the show really shines, is their ability to poke fun at the zany things all the Trek's before it has done, while also mimicking their styles and cinematography. It's not just parody, it's homage. (But yes, also parody.)
The whole creative team knows Trek down to its DNA and isn't afraid to use what it found there. Very unique perspective that somehow works.
I think it's worth a watch, the humour is subjective so I can't speak on that.
But as others said, it is clearly made by people who have watched all of Trek and pokes fun at all the things Trek fans have for years.
If the cartoon angle is off-putting, or the premise too ridiculous, I interpret it all as a deliberate exaggeration of events. It's canon, just perhaps dialled up to 11 in the "retelling".
Ok I honestly hope people don't hate. Is it wrong I feel this Garruk and Julian need couples therapy and before I'm attacked you have to admit the whole starting arguments for fun I can't be the only one who thinks that is messed-up
That's how Cardassians flirt though. There was that episode of DS9 with the Cardassian engineer who was really into O'Brien because the two of them were practically getting into blows whenever she tried to do anything to the station. From her perspective they were openly hitting on each other.
"A version of Rick"? Oh crap, where's Morty?
So, I realized the twist for the next episode, not going to spoil, but... yeah, if you think about it it's pretty obvious.
GARASHIR NOW CANON!
*happy queer noises*
Too bad Bashir is a Hologram here.
Now they need to do a Doctor Who or Rick n Morty Crossover.
*Algorithm Cookie* 🍪
Man at this rate star trek is getting impossible to follow. Too much canon, Too many timelines and so on. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing gets rebooted from scratch in fifteen years.
I've given it some thought.
Lower decks pandering to Tumblr by having a Garak/Bashir relationship doesn't actually bug me.
They prefaced it with a comment about how statistically unlikely it was. They commented how the multiversity is just lazy fanons given life, and they had nothing to give the actors but bickering and physical acts of affection....(which side note, does that last one strike you as very Garak?) showing there was no meat on those bones.
But a 21st century vessel consistently outrunning a Defiant class? That's still just making me so angry!
They didn't say the relationship was statistically unlikely, they said that it was statistically unlikely for two people that loved each other to end up on the Anaximander
the EMH Bashir x Garak was so hilarious because it literally was parodying the internet fanfics that ships them both
I am so sick of Section 31. It should've ended in DS9.
The "Curzon" person shown in this looks to be caucasian human, not Klingon, as Captain Sisko often reminisced with Jadzia Dax about her time in a Klingon body, as Curzon/Kurzon Dax in various episodes of DS9, unless in the particular "animated" reality of the lower decks show, the 'Curzon' persona was human & had the name of Curzon vs main/prime Star Trek universe, un-animated, the Kurzon host was Klingon & the difference in realities, was why the prime universe was Klingon & the Lower Decks animated universe, the Curzon host was human.
This Curzon was not human, nor was the standard-universe Curzon ever a klingon. Curzon was a trill, the humanoid species that symbionts like Dax are typically joined with. Trills are recognizable by two vertical lines of spots. Curzon was just really into klingon culture.
Curzon Dax was a Trill that was really into Klingon culture, you really have no idea what you're talking about.
As has already been pointed out Curzon Dax was a trill. Every Dax has been a trill. In addition to that though, we saw Curzon on screen and his animated version is based on his live action appearance, though not played by him as I believe he is no longer with us unfortunately.