The Highest DPS Thunder Cage Build | The First Descendant
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
- A general Build and a theory build with firing Fiesta. When Firing Fiesta actives you have roughly a 1 MILLION DPS burst. I highly recommend to go for the general use build since the symbols dont match so you cant play both builds, and firing fiesta while broken in theory, it can be very uncomfortable or bad in practice. For Speedrunning with thunder cage its mostlikely meta though (unless the boss doesn't have burst windows).
00:00 General use DPS Build
3:48 Firing Fiesta Concept Build
5:35 Gameplay
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Note: that some numbers don't apply to the DPS, I have seen people asking me why my build has no 500k DPS while theirs has more than mine. And they weren't using Elemental attack. Elemental Attack is 30% so it's like having 630k DPS without accounting weakpoint DPS. The DPS number on the left is not to be taken serious, just test ingame and you see what gives you more dps.
We actually mathed it out and the DPS is 1.4Million on a non resistance/defense Monsters.
It does not add +30% elemental, it CONVERT 30% as your weapon dmg AS elemental. So dps is accurate.
@@nevadarko5064 non its adding
thats not how it works at all i tried your build it does way way less damage than my own build
@@sky_420_what is your build for thunder cage?
@@INSPECTORZAP that's how the module system and leveling to get stronger is about did you use a catalyst on your descendent or weapon when it was level 40 if you did that is why your level reset each time you max a weapon or descendent to level 40 and then use a catalyst on it it resets it's level to 0 but give you the opportunity to add more modules to your build by adding modifiers to the which halves the cost when using a module of the same type
Tip: Slayer set for extra rounds is kind of pointless. Let me tell you why.
For whatever gun is your main, equip another gun of the same type of rounds. Place on that gun the two mods that increase the max capacity of the same type of rounds (forgetting the name of the mods...). With both equipped, when you pick up ammo, pick, it up with that weapon and swap back to your main.
There you go, you are now carrying over double the rounds of that type.
For General Rounds, this means going from 400 to a capacity of 838 extra rounds outside of your magazine (if fully reloaded). AMAZING.
This includes picking up rounds in a Colossus fight, as those pickups will grant you +400 general rounds. Making running out of ammo a moot point.
This of course means you're turning one of your 3 weapon slots into an ammo mule, but if you're only equipping them for weapon proficiency and not using them, this is an amazing use of your essentially unused slots....
the mod name is Expand General Magazine
@@kuffyftn That is one of them:
Blue: Expand General Magazine
Purple: General Rounds Compulsive
Make sure to do both if doing this.
Slayer set is still good for +26% skill power + the extra mag size is one of the best DPS increase set you can get but thanks for sharing this saw recently a video about it! im using eternal power as secondary just for this.
On top of that point. May as well slot a refining mod as well, to turn the ammo you can't use into general rounds.
Pretty sure this is a bug though
Thanks bro, I have 80% of the build and managed to solo hard mode devourer and pyromancer so far (add swamp walker to the list :D)
Reload cancel timing depends on the gun. The longer the reload time the longer you have to wait to cancel. It's about 50% for The Thunder Cage. The Tamer you have to wait until about 80% through the reload before you cancel
Still better to go for dmg and just reload cancel
*thunder cage is 25%
Thunder cage is around 25-30% which is worth it
The timing is when your character physically inserts the magazine into the gun at which point you can input anything (even fire weapon) to start shooting again.
The camera angle is crazy
Man of culture I see
Craft 3 more thunder cages and infused them to the main one for faster reloads and a couple other benefits
How you get general rounds reload focus mod i only the impact rounds
Go to Map and Access Info, you can find all the things you looking for there in-game.
I hope your channel reaches new heights brotha!
So for reload canceling on thundercage you can cancel the reload at 50% 99% of the time since thunder cage reloads fast. For slower reloading weapons you will have to cancel reloads at 70-80% done. You can cle reloads with abilities (obviously), rolling, and the fastest way is just shooting your grappling hook in the air. Hope this helps anyone with even adding that bit much more optimization in your dmg
When @idevaste makes a video it’s legit lol
Love your work bro keep it up
Nice video bro keep going with the good content 👌🏻👌🏻
This is what i needed. Didnt even realize i was leaving crit damage on the table. I have rhe concentration priority didnt even touch it. Thanks for this useful serup.
check base crit dmg of weapons: map > access info > weapons > f1 on each and look at base critical hit rate. If it is 15% or higher (thunder cage 20%), then a crit build is most likely viable.
Ya it's good for some wep types but not all
Reload cancel just after halfway using the grapple hook at the colossus or the air much faster than punching/dodging.
DEVA ON FIRST DESCENDANT YES!!!!
Sees all slots with dedicated slots: this man is grinding
Looks like I should save every single forma from now on for my thunder cage. I thought this game would be like Warframe, and using them for characters would be optimal, but I was wrong.
I have only 1 forma on my tamer and have 410k dps if i add another 4 or more like this easy 600-700k and this is with a weaken build so half the dps dosen't calculate but it hits the bosses like a truck
@@alwaysberandom6470 I'll be adding my first forma today. Hopefully it'll be a significant dps increase. Man am I glad I increased the capacity of my weapon instead of wasting it on my Freyna xD
@@juakored make sure to start crafting next forma since it takes 8 hours , also the bunny missions give you a forma at the end too
@@alwaysberandom6470 good to know. Thanks.
Ult Lepic hits harder than any gun
such great video man🔥🔥 ,you took the time to make a honest video instead of pumping out garbage for veiws , keep it up 👍
Each weapon has a different "breaking point" in terms of when you can animation cancel the reload. For thunder cage, it is ~25%, which is great, but for example another popular weapon, the tamer, has a breaking point of ~80%, which alongside its limited mobility really hurts its true dps outside of just the numbers on paper.
At 3:00 I had to watch it a few times because I was a bit „distracted“ 😉
There is another SMG ( loaded like a P90 ) with a 750+ natural Fire Rate. Bullet Fiesta fits better there.
I use Snowflake Conductor for Thunder Cage.
Nice build, also remember that upgrading the weapon ability brings up the reload time modifier up to 0 plus increased the explosion ratio of the electric blast. I doesnt take too long to do, got mine done pretty quick
Did the same for the Fallen Hope, you farm it the same way you do the Thunder Cage, just in White-night Gulch instead of Sterile Land.
@@MedicalBillzis the fallen hope any good?
@@ricardosharry8944 Its pretty meh on anybody except Freyna mainly cuz it's inaccurate AF until you start throwing copies at it, and despite it having really solid crit damage, its crit rate lacks, but on Freyna it can do some ridiculously good CC comboed with her kit, it becomes a even better Thunder Cage with its poison explosions and the small damage boost you get with it if the target is poisoned, which stacks with the Toxic Conductor module. I'd highly recommend it for Freyna specifically, though I've been using it on Bunny just as a means of having a alternative status since she can spread electricity well enough already.
TL;DR, if its not Freyna, stick to the Thunder Cage.
man i love thunder cage , i think i will play it till the end , thank you to show how i can reach the max damage with that
Note that, if you upgrade your Thunder Cages special ability, you get a faster reload. That´s also an DPS increase.
You only miss the perfect 4 gold attributes and you are go !!💪🏼💪🏼 insane weapon and dps
what would you suggest for the 4 attributes?
Sumthing I’ve noticed today u can cancel the reload animation just keeping shooting , I play on controller I reload and just hold the trigger.
You can squeeze a little more DPS from this by maxing out the unique skill to +4. It lowers the reload speed debuff by 5% at each level. At level 4 unique skill, reload goes from -20% speed to -0%.
(and it’s a really easy weapon to farm four of, only took me like 2-3hrs excluding research times)
@@yacobe_ me running one mission 40 times without one drop :(
@@ceadeusx that’s unfortunate I think the most I had to do for a part was between 10-15 times
@@yacobe_ yeah it took me too long to drop so it went off my priority list. I have it maxxed now xd
@@IDeVaste niceee I’ve just used a couple catalysts and hit 400k dps, absolutely loving that gun. good for trash mobs AND bosses
You will have more dps if you scrap the elemental mod, and use concentrate support ammo instead of reload focus, add edging shot, and then max out your ammo capacity mod. I can push mine to almost 600k. (Regardless of the number, its more dps without the elemental mod, i did the math).
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Now i saw a guide from u for this game and oh boy was i exciting. I look and comments and read some stinky stuff but i love how u explain your stuff with facts.
And duuude all the content u already did. Im so hyped to check it all out.
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Thank you ❤
nice to see a thunder cage video :) its crazy that you got so many mod upgrades and not upgraded the weapon power... its easy to fram and makes effect 100%
how do I do that? please share to a newbie.
@@gcbpuxyou farm parts to build another thunder cage, build it, and then upgrade your weapon ability at the same place in albion where you upgrade weapon level using your newly crafted thunder cage on your main thunder cage
@@AlexAntleTheGreat it also increases dps and passive?
@@gcbpuxincreases the percent chance of its aoe (100% at x4), the range of it (5m) and then the reload speed which inherently increases dps
You should farm another 3 thundercages, when you max out the unique ability you get some of the realod time penalty reduced, and the thunder cage explosion on mobs goes to 100% chance and nearly doubles the Area of Effect of it
i like the first 1, very nice video
I would definitely finish upgrading that thunder cage, it gets you better reload speed
Thats huge, i have so much to do that i didn't get to it yet xd
Marksman + Weak Point detection are 2 mods that are better than Reload Focus and Expand Weapon Charge, if you are using reload cancelling.
Upgrading your Thunder Cage will also give you faster reloads and it's pretty easy to farm ( took me about 1 hour for 3 copies of the thunder cage )
Last but not least, reroll the stats on your Thunder Cage. Crit chance + Crit damage + ATK + Weak point is best imo. Even if they are not golden. You have 2 of those already, so it wouldn't be too expensive to reroll the other 2 I think.
Is it worth the dmg difference to change free socket?
Nice vid man, can u show how u level up the weapons? i find it really hard to level my thunder cage. and i see that you put a element module on your weapon for people that dont have that many catalyst, is still good to put element o thunder or its better to get another module for not a fully upgraded thunder cage.
@@takenoz2931 the kupier special ops Mining Missions, equip the gun on a Bunny and aoe farm the mission. Takes about 1 hour to get to 40
@@IDeVaste Or just the best option, wave defense.
If you change chill with expand weapon charge you got more capacity
thunder cage merchant frfr💯
Nice, ty
wow ive been using this build too!
Hey Devaste. Could you maybe come up with a Gley build? I really like her but i dont know how to build her for hard mode
You can just hold rightclick to reload cancel you dont have to use a skill, it is much faster
works with left click as well. just hold it down to reload cancel and keep firing
Where u get Action and Reaction, Concentration Priority and Reload Focus for General Rounds? I only get them for Special and High Powered Rounds...
Nevamind I figured it out
Really wish you could just change the module type that you want discounted after you have one slotted
also for me, maxing or almost maxing out overcharge is worth it as well.
I find it so funny how many people can't do math
Everything is broken
Nothing is working right and no one seems to know it
How so?
POG a viessa main
I have 530k dps on mine with no elemental or firing fiesta. I tested a lot, and weak point damage can get phenomenally high without showing up on the gun's dps at all, do the math on what an additional 45 bullets does per 15 seconds (Firing Fiesta), it's not any better than putting a bigger magazine on, but also doesn't synergize with a bigger magazine at all.
To make firing fiesta actually valid, we'd need more than one source of firing speed... but they made the blue normal firing speed tagged so it can't be used with the rare purple firing speed mods.. So there's no way to take advantage fully.
Off topic question is lasers effected by fire rate?
15 second cooldown on your reload MOD, Precision better(but its bugged right now, does not give damage stacks) or Real-life Fighter. But, your upskirt game is on point.
My Lepic has the Thunder Cage and Niestrza or something. I dont remember its name. The proficiency is low since i havent played around with it but its definately a good choice.
CATGANG WOOOO
Wish there was 1 universal slot you could fit for elemental enchantments
hey man, try out +atk when target is affected by x status effect and have trigger effect on the weapon etc. It doesn't show as a tooltip dps increase but it is huge!
Would an Eternal Willpower with this type of build do more calculated damage than the Thunder Cage or SMGs are just superior?I play Ultimate Gley and I'm wondering if it's bad for me to fully invest in the rocket launcher strat over a general round weapon.
there is a mod called real-life fighter that basically gives u 100%+ firearm atk as long as you hit weak points thats something to look into perhaps
I don't think it's great. Esp with how good action and reaction is.
Few bosses have weakpoints that are as easy to hit as the devourer and even then just one stray bullet and your dps is low
@@angulinhiduje6093 are you playing the same game? cuz everything youve said is wrong you can use action and reaction anyway every boss has huge weakpoints and you should only be hitting weakpoints and even if you ahve a stray bullet you dont lose any dps compared to not having it
@@scaredlol show me a video where not a single stray bullet misses a weak spot, I'll wait.
Ofc you van eq. Both but my point is that you're most likely running bonus recoil which makes it even more unlikely to hit every bullet.
I agree that you should focus weakspots but tou miss a singular time and the dps isn't that great anymore.
@@scaredlol also, you do loose dps because it means your gold slot is locked to this gimmick.
Tou have a limited amount of mods so if you waste one of rhe most important slots for this and miss a weakspotnthar means you miss out on dps, not a hard concept to understand tbh
@@angulinhiduje6093 ye thats your skill issue then missing weakspots that are half the body on any boss i guess + there is no other mod coming close unless you play gley maybe and have infinite ammo and even then nothing else might come close but keep up the coping after telling me you cant use it with action and reaction anything you say cant be taken serious anyway
I got same maximum damage possible general build with my table sheet. But, I don't like additional rpm on thunder cage. Accuracy really go fast to shit. I'm mobbing right now without it and I loved it, much more comfortable. Yes, it's doesn't matter if you do bossing, but for me thunder cage is #1 for mobbing right now.
love the videos
Mine is full maxed supercharged. Maxed weapon rolls, 496k with max weak point… I solo hard bosses.
You "maxed" your thundercage without adding 3 other thunder cages too it...... thats a big deal, the stat changes under the hood are huge, as well as the -15% reload debuff going away.
How in the world do you have that many sockets on this lol
did you modify the thunder cages mod slots to make them Malachite slots?
I'm still finishing the story in normal mode, should I worry about optimizing or farming something? Or should I only do this after finishing hard mode?
Prioritize clearing the story first unless there’s something you really really want/ need. As it’s almost double the drop rate for most rare mods and other components in hard mode
There is no point farming anything until you're getting level 100 drops, reactors and components can't be levelled to 100 and weapon rolls are tied to level. Other than your descendant build and modules, everything else you basically just use whatever is highest level and best at the time.
To reset reload roll on >50% reload bar
Thx u
Hi i currently have 635k dps on Thunder Cage, i think you are missing Insight focus, which is pretty important for this build. Or is there any reason you are ommiting this mod? I also use electric condutor which adds 26% ATK as bunny char.
How does it add 26%?
with reload canceling, do you think you still need the reload focus module?
Is there any difference between "weak point insight" and "weak point sight"? Which one is more recommended?
the blue mod
I swear people try to say Tamer this Tamer that. But Ult weapons will always out shine other weapons they are Ultimate for a reason. Tamer has its good points but a good Ult weapon will always be the choice over all. Thunder Cage is such a great weapon.
Can you not roll cancel all your reloads and ignore the negative reload speed mods?
you actually can! its faster thought to use your Grappling hook. But you need a specific thresh hold of the reload before you can cancel, which you're reaching way faster with reload so it speeds up canceling.
From what I remember when testing the roll takes longer than just finishing the reload for the thunder cage. So you should either use a skill to reload cancel or just finish reloading.
im glad i started dumping formas on the thunder cage since the beggining, mine should be at 600k(its at 550k now) dps soon :)
Did you buy or grind em?
is it worth replacing the weak point damage for more crit rate?
good luck with catalyst guys
ez dude, just research vids
putting 7 crystallization catalysts on one gun is actually crazy
Welcome to warframe determination all my main guns on warframe have max formas for every slot which is the crystallization catalyst it’s kinda standard for the end game players on warframe
@@ronaldwestbeal2269 Rahetalius with his 1000 forma Vauban lol
@@ronaldwestbeal2269 except Warframe is easier to farm for materials.
Needed for the endgame, unless you wanna stay shooting like a paintball gun.
i mean the most gun u gonna use
Nice build mines very similar just a few tweaks I sit at 621k dps with thundercage shit rips mobs and most bosses
What mission u use to get reload focus ?
Weapon swap works for that too
Why reload focus? Go for more dmg and just do the reload cancel
Ayo why dont u swap your chill mod with the expanded mag and upgrade the expanded even further? Just curious
The chill one is more then 30% atk, that's hard to beat
Can these modules be used in Hopeless too? fallen houpe.
Your over charged is not at lv 4 with 100% explosion trigger on death its a add killer
The pay to win video.
IDeVaste. Yes! ♥
This build viable for gley? Or just that descendant?
Do the assigned slots apply to weapon type or that specific gun?
Specific gun
@@andrewtt03 thank you
Is classic maid skin have to be bought or can it be unlocked by playing some sort of missions
Bought. The only skins you can earn so far are part of the battlepass.
How'd he get so many catalysts? He has one on every slot except for one. The amount of farming needed to make one is insane and then you have to wait 7hrs and 30mins for that one to get done crafting
Well i imagine his paid subscribers fork the bill so he can put out these vids with insane dmg.
@@Kromarkor… here’s a very controversial idea… he actually played the game filled with quest that hand them out like candy? 🤯 but who knows 🤷🏻♂️
@@TTV_Refluxuationin the amount of time the game’s been out + the game only gives you two??? lol cmon bro it’s obvious he fuckin bought em
@@rainztk two? The only thing obvious here is you not fully playing the game lol.
Spoiler alert: You get more
Better drop expand magazine and use Insight Focus. These 2 bullets change nothing.
but whit Insight Focus you cant use the 120% crit dmg as they share crit mod slot.
@@ForgottenShinobi11 yes, you can use both.
Why does my thunder cage has only 9 module sockets and yours 10? How do I get 10 sockets?
I can’t get concentration priority on my general weapons
how many catalist did you buy , i play all day and cant even farm mast to make 1
The game gives you so many for free for completing certain quest and achievements. I haven’t spent a penny on catalyst, and have had easily 7 from literally just playing the game m8
@IDEVASTE can I still use this or will there be a updated version?
Isn’t Crit rate 39% still low? Usually in games you want around 80%?
If i assign an extra module on my bunny, do i get for ultimate bunny too?
No Everything is Brand new so gotta do Everything again
Bro how do you get so many crystalline and materials
Is tamer better than this in terms of a maxed out Thunder cage vs a maxed out Tamer?
Was wondering the same thing
@@djj949 Right? I don't think it was ever mentioned that this build was "the best".
Depends, if your descendant/build heavily relies on a reactor, then thunder cage would be best cuz ultimate reactors requires specific ultimate guns to fully utilize.
IMO, to future proof, best invest on an ultimate gun rather than a rare one like Tamer regardless if it has marginal better dps since your endgame would be using ultimate reactors.
Not true at all lol @@PejorativeDaedal
@@Zefrone Please elaborate?
Seriously how do you fit all those models and get 80/80??? Mine don’t fit.
why don't you increase the level of the special ability? Does it then only shoot electric shock waves? sorry for the question, but I'm new :)
no it just makes reloading faster, the explosion bigger and more likely to occur, he just didn't invest the time to level it up
@@simply_marko it’s worth maxing. It procs every kill and just explodes all mobs. I don’t really need it for bunny but any other character using it it helps a lot
@@meximous2259 mine is maxed i just explained him what it does
How much is your field of vision? (FOV)
Want to see highest build but then realize my current build is higher… and mine not fully upgraded. Work hard on yours❤
Yea I’m not wasting all my capacitors -slot modules on 9 slots. Eventually one day but I got get my main character and other characters to get there cp up.
You're better off sinking 3 into your main and then maxing one weapon. It'll speed up the process considerably for grinding everything else for the other characters. A casual player can get 1 cap a day. Two if you just log back on to restart the research after it's finished. If you focus one character and a gun you'll be soloing most hard bosses in a few minutes since they scale it down for solos.
@@amuddyelfproductions3915 yup that is currently my plan right now. I got enough materials for 10 catalysts. Been making them since Monday night. And then I can juice my bunny and my lvl 100 thunder cage.
@@amuddyelfproductions3915 is the best farm spot for the catalyst just Kingston defense for amorphics?
@@dr__hennessy5193 juice as you progress or you'll have to grind level 40 x10 in a go
Your main DPS when bossing will mostly come from your weapons. Just cata your character to fit survival mods like HP or def, then the rest should go to your weapon.
3:04 nice damage >.>