Great video. Ive done a ton of research of my own on this subject, seems as more and more are just swapping the p-22 for a p-85. Price is close and the longevity is there. Lots of p-22 are getting trashed after only 400 miles. That'll be my route
It’s absolutely crazy how it can be out of stock. They have a high dollar product, great profit. Can’t meet demand. What a good problem. I would be working overtime.
Adding loctite to the primary bolt will change the torque spec if that bolt was meant to be torqued dry. A machine shop buddy once showed me a chart which shows how torque values change with a bunch of different liquids, (including water iirc). Example, if specs say 50# torque and you oiled the threads for good measure, you need to reduce the torque a little to compensate for the oiled threads, otherwise the bolt will be over torqued. A few years later, I met an aircraft mechanic and he said their rule of thumb is if a fastener is in a dry location, then torque it dry (unless otherwise specified). If it is in an oily environment such as inside the engine, lube the threads with engine oil before torquing.
@@jimjusta7859 I 100% understand. I was going off the instructions for the sheave retainer and bolt installation from Carbon Sled. I would think it may be over torqued a little but hopefully not enough to affect the integrity of the bolt.
Seems to me all your doing is moving the forces around if you have a weak point it’s still going to be a weak point and cause failure regardless of what you think your doing. The slide hammer action is still going to be fully held by the clutch bolt. But if your trying to lighten rotating mass that Ti parts good for that and that’s about it. At the end of the day something has to give and if the bolts hardness is incorrect and to brittle it’ll still fail 🤷♀️
@@dsx97 Sort of correct. The sheave connector makes the clutch one piece, similar to the P85. The “slide hammer” type of force is now transferred to the sheave connector, not the bolt, like it is with the P85. Or should we say the majority of the slide hammer smacking force, what’s left would be very similar to ANY other clutch out there including the P85. Like we said in the video, the P85 spider holds the entire clutch together and the bolt holds it in place. We don’t believe the bolt on the P85 is nearly as strong as the P22 bolt. That being said there have been no failures of the P85 bolt and clutch design, whereas there has been many many bolt failures with the P22 bolt and clutch design. We think Polaris keeps changing the grade and design of the bolt, trying to find one that works, but this sheave connector should be the final solution.
Seriously, polaris, do they need me to test these sleds when they were developing this sled?? Its beyond me how they didn't see this in the 5 years of testing and developing of this sled.....like do they just baby f ck around? Some guys aren't having issues, but i highly suspect its guys that ride very modestly, and guys that ride the sgit out of their sleds will destroy bolt after bolt !
@@SimplyBeckett yeah, they are definitely a high demand part. We bought this one as soon as they were available. Hopefully this is the ultimate fix. Good luck finding one.
Do you know if you have to take that sleeve retainer part off, if you have to remove the whole clutch at some point? Because it's using the threads for the puller or is there a way it works for the puller and sleeve at the same time?
@@johnlegge7779 yes, you are correct. To get the clutch puller in place it does use the threads that this sheave retainer uses. So the sleeve retainer would have to come out, puller installed, then clutch popped off.
@jeffmarks5222 again cheap asf.. I love polaris american made one of the lightestest in the industry. Great power ...but it's embarrassing the quality and fit n finish they put into these sleds.and p22 I awsome but the spider bushing business!? Don't get me started on the boggie wheels n bearings..lol Again embarrassing as an american. My opinion. Don't like it? idgaf. I'll decide my opinion till someone can convince me with better info small engine mechanic 20+years peace out.
I think it's easier to do what @cheeseymccheese7249 said and replace the P-22 with a P-85. I wouldn't think a Ski-Doo clutch on a Polaris is the way to go.
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Ill guarentee it myself.great stuff my brutha I ld patent it immediately!
Great video. Ive done a ton of research of my own on this subject, seems as more and more are just swapping the p-22 for a p-85. Price is close and the longevity is there. Lots of p-22 are getting trashed after only 400 miles. That'll be my route
It’s absolutely crazy how it can be out of stock. They have a high dollar product, great profit. Can’t meet demand. What a good problem. I would be working overtime.
Really well done and enjoyable to watch... Great job!
Thank you very much!
Adding loctite to the primary bolt will change the torque spec if that bolt was meant to be torqued dry. A machine shop buddy once showed me a chart which shows how torque values change with a bunch of different liquids, (including water iirc). Example, if specs say 50# torque and you oiled the threads for good measure, you need to reduce the torque a little to compensate for the oiled threads, otherwise the bolt will be over torqued.
A few years later, I met an aircraft mechanic and he said their rule of thumb is if a fastener is in a dry location, then torque it dry (unless otherwise specified). If it is in an oily environment such as inside the engine, lube the threads with engine oil before torquing.
@@jimjusta7859 I 100% understand. I was going off the instructions for the sheave retainer and bolt installation from Carbon Sled. I would think it may be over torqued a little but hopefully not enough to affect the integrity of the bolt.
You can order them now. Carbon sled has them in stock.
Seems to me all your doing is moving the forces around if you have a weak point it’s still going to be a weak point and cause failure regardless of what you think your doing. The slide hammer action is still going to be fully held by the clutch bolt. But if your trying to lighten rotating mass that Ti parts good for that and that’s about it. At the end of the day something has to give and if the bolts hardness is incorrect and to brittle it’ll still fail 🤷♀️
@@dsx97 Sort of correct. The sheave connector makes the clutch one piece, similar to the P85. The “slide hammer” type of force is now transferred to the sheave connector, not the bolt, like it is with the P85. Or should we say the majority of the slide hammer smacking force, what’s left would be very similar to ANY other clutch out there including the P85. Like we said in the video, the P85 spider holds the entire clutch together and the bolt holds it in place. We don’t believe the bolt on the P85 is nearly as strong as the P22 bolt. That being said there have been no failures of the P85 bolt and clutch design, whereas there has been many many bolt failures with the P22 bolt and clutch design. We think Polaris keeps changing the grade and design of the bolt, trying to find one that works, but this sheave connector should be the final solution.
Seriously, polaris, do they need me to test these sleds when they were developing this sled?? Its beyond me how they didn't see this in the 5 years of testing and developing of this sled.....like do they just baby f ck around? Some guys aren't having issues, but i highly suspect its guys that ride very modestly, and guys that ride the sgit out of their sleds will destroy bolt after bolt !
Cant find them anywhere online, every aftermarket dealer says out of stock
@@SimplyBeckett yeah, they are definitely a high demand part. We bought this one as soon as they were available. Hopefully this is the ultimate fix. Good luck finding one.
Do you know if you have to take that sleeve retainer part off, if you have to remove the whole clutch at some point? Because it's using the threads for the puller or is there a way it works for the puller and sleeve at the same time?
@@johnlegge7779 yes, you are correct. To get the clutch puller in place it does use the threads that this sheave retainer uses. So the sleeve retainer would have to come out, puller installed, then clutch popped off.
I just had the yellow bolt (I think it’s called) recall on my primary. Is whateverthat recall does not adequate?
@@nombr sorry, I’m not sure what the different recalls and different bolts are for. Your dealer is the best source for that.
Rotating mass in the center of the primary equals next to nothing for rotating mass
Sad Polaris doesnt fix there product somebody should file class action lawsuit they deserve it
Just got my 9r back on Friday from it's second clutch bolt recall so I'd say they are at least trying to find a fix
@@jeffmarks5222 What did the dealer do to ur 9r?
@@vdzrussellnew bolt is all
Polaris is cheap asf...I'm thinkin.
@jeffmarks5222 again cheap asf.. I love polaris american made one of the lightestest in the industry. Great power ...but it's embarrassing the quality and fit n finish they put into these sleds.and p22 I awsome but the spider bushing business!? Don't get me started on the boggie wheels n bearings..lol Again embarrassing as an american. My opinion. Don't like it? idgaf. I'll decide my opinion till someone can convince me with better info small engine mechanic 20+years peace out.
These new Polaris sleds are a joke
Maybe you could figure out how to replace the whole P-22 with a P-Drive clutch 🤔
I think it's easier to do what @cheeseymccheese7249 said and replace the P-22 with a P-85. I wouldn't think a Ski-Doo clutch on a Polaris is the way to go.
Shoold come free with every sled