Fuming. The life of a dry slug is trouble enough. I feel like I've been sprinkled with salt and left out in the sun to wither away, only for a splash of cold water to come after 14 days. Jaffn. But it's all football chat, and no Handcocks hand grenade...stay strong slugs.
@@TrentAA6608 Elijha Holy Wanishola 4121. The British Royal Family are descended from German ancestry. Prince Albert (Queen Victoria’s husband) was German. He was also Queen Victoria’s first cousin. Prince Philip’s mother was German. There’s a lot of German heritage in the most affluent, identifiable British family.
@@19Paul91 yes the media are talking about it correct. But everyone would talk about such a shock appointment anyway. It’s a big deal newsflash, it isn’t the media’s fault he got the job
@@19Paul91A lot of these sports media outlets are connected to larger news outlets that have, for at least the last decade but some much longer, been encouraging the public to hate foreigners. Gotta maintain the hate ahead of the cognitive dissonance that will come from a German guy doing well with the national team
@@croissantpower I think the shock at the appointment has much more to do with the level on manager he is rather than the fact he's German. Only certain publications seem to care about that. I don't think anyone thought the next England manager would be someone who would be considered for top club jobs
This episode reminded me of that classic Simpsons moment where the town discovers Principal Skinner isn’t really Seymour Skinner. Instead, he took on the name to avoid breaking the news to the real Seymour’s near-blind mother that her son had died. Despite this huge revelation, the show never referenced it again. Many Simpsons fans consider that episode the end of the show's 'golden era,' marking a shift to more episodic storytelling where past events had little bearing on future ones. Please, prove me wrong-I don’t want to look back on this football chat episode as the moment that marked the end of our golden era. Please, James. Please, Flav.
I've never heard anyone say "Germany won the 2004 euros because Greece had a German manager" No we all say that Greece won it. If sven won 2006 wc nobody wouodve said sweden won the world cup. If you're that insecure then that someone making a stupid comment like that is going to affect you then that's your own problem
Making a derogatory comment about the skin colour of others...sounds like racism to me. And no I'm not a Mail reader, I just don't like hypocrites or racists.
@@paulhanson5164 He's referring to middle aged and older white people, its a play on the gammon theme because old ham goes grey, its quite clever actually
"Will Duran score more goals than Watkins" ?..."No". Thanks for the in depth analysis of my club lads, I had 9 seconds to kill so I'm glad I didn't waste them.
As a Villa fan tuning into this hour long pod I had similar thoughts 😂 however I take it as a complimemt that there isn't much to say outside of "we're just bloody good" Emery just keeps on delivering.
Potential new bit? If a Premier League manager were a meal, what would they be? Eg: Thomas Frank - Toad in the Hole, a hearty meal that can be put together on shoe string but still leaves you satisfied. If the sausages are of the right quality you can make the meal work, even if you use some flour that’s been in the cupboard for a long time. Pep - Chateuabriand, the meat for the purists, a succulent cut. Sometimes people will want a cut with a bit more fat to add some flavour, but that’s not the way of Chateaubriand. Sometimes the waiter can yap on about how the cow was raised and its diet, which you have to nod along with until it’s time to eat.
Eddie Howe. Brioche Burger - sexy enough to give a good first impression. Plenty of meat, cheese and secret sauce. Can give you a few problems at the back later 😂
@@FoxtrotBravoRomeo oh okay, what else is it then? Big knockout matches they’ve had as the other reply suggested? Well England have 1 World Cup and Netherlands have 1 Euros which isn’t as big
@@oufc90bitterness over WW2 occupation was a big factor, which led to the crazy knockout matches as mentioned. Englands WC was so long ago I would argue its on par with Netherlands 1988 Euro
Any Tuchel negativity is nonsense, the guy is the bollocks and everyone will fall in love with him. Just annoying we have to wait till March for his first game for people to see how fuckin class he is
@@SuperJJParker if the rules were you have to have a manger of your nationality then fair enough, but why would we actively appoint a Gary O’Neil over Tuchel when we don’t need to
@@JackNewton233 This is the problem. The rules don't make sense. Just because a rule was made years ago does not mean people can't disagree with it and discuss it.
There are two conversations going on, the smaller one is xenophobic. The other one is about coaching pipelines and whether you believe the top teams with all the resources should be investing in their own setups. I personally don't care but I think there is a fair conversation there that isn't unique to England
i just don't get why there's different rules to players and coaching staff. If a manager from a small nation is one of the best in the world at international management, then isn't that supposed to be a huge boon to that country? I've always felt that international football should be about the very best people from each country competing against each other, including everything from the players and coaches to the kitman.
Really interested by James' sadness about it not being an english manager rather than about who was appointed. Because the mass response that has come was entirely predictable - maybe the FA could have publicly said they were probably going to bring in a non-English manager ahead of the appointment. Would have allowed people to be sad about that, and separates it from Tuchel's appointment slightly/protects him a bit?
Duran hot take: He'll either get sold and flop, or Emery will put him in and he'll flop. He's only scored goals in wide open game states, and from outside the box. This isn't anything to go off, there's no evidence he can do this consistently, there's not even any information about what kind of player he is other than "he scores good goals". Does he link play? Hold the ball up? Make runs? Good in the air? No one knows anything about him yet everyone's convinced themselves he's incredible because "he done a good goal"
How are you comparing Eddie Howe with Tuchel again and again? Don't put their names on the same sentence again. Newcastle with Eddie Howe were knocked out in group stage after finishing bottom.
Hes not a German manager he's a guy who loves England for some reason the same guy that stayed living in London when he sacked from Chelsea Lee Carsley is technically not even English so why does that matter
@@AlexN798 Oh wow you’re really opening our eyes to that as if everyone didn’t already fucking know that… People can have more than one nationality you pillock. In fact a good 75% of the England squad do…
The Jasion Cundy thing comes from a Norwegian commentator who went crazy many years ago when Norw3ay beat England - Cundy is paraphrasing him - Cundy is also a bellend just so you know
A 1 Hour long Jaffn Episode that is purely football chat... after we've been sat here for 2 weeks suffering like slugs on a pavement in the summer sun. Not sure what's worse, this or the Jaffn Community page calling Donut and Swiss Roll types of Bread! utter woke nonsense the lot of it.
I think the 18 month contract is a win win for everyone. Tuchel has a great opportunity to become one of the few managers to win both champions league and world cup. And the English FA arent over commited to a contract if it fails drastically. Oh and which other top manager from the prem league just might be available in 18 months that the FA might just double down on??
There is no England Germany rivalry from a German point of view. They have a rivalry with Netherlands and don't care about us. We just have a load of fans who sing about the war. That's all.
lads i might have heard a samism but i'm not sure if it is or not. overheard a football fan saying "turn it up a gear". now i'd say it would usually be "take it up a gear". but i'm not sure what other phrase he's combined it with.
Is Roberto Martínez Portuguese or Belgian. Is Mancini from Saudi. Is McLaren Jamaican ffs. Love the pod but let’s just be happy we’ve got a manager that’s actually won something. Can’t say that about an English manager
I do get Jim’s point about how damming the Tuchel appointment is for the English managerial system. It does show we don’t create managers of a good enough level. What I would say to that is, this is true whether we admit it or not. This was already true before Tuchel. Why try and plaster over it with a less talented manager and waste a chance with our golden generation? You can’t start to fix the problem until you admit there’s a problem. In appointing Tuchel we’ve admitted that English managers aren’t good. Now we can actually address why the system isn’t producing good managers. You can “England DNA” it. Build a complete consistent comprehensive framework for coaching education that isn’t stupidly expensive. Look at how Spain and Germany and Italy do it. Implement a philosophy for English coaches that can table them for success and also aligns with what we want the England team to play like. Obviously this is all easier said than done, but ultimately if we don’t change the system we won’t get better manager coming out of it
And how much money did employing Ferguson bring into the club? They wouldn't have been paying him £2m just to show up @ games. His value to their marketing would no doubt have brought in more than his salary - united are anything but a charity.
@@jonathancampbell9133 oh historically you’re right, it’s an endless amount of money. But to say he hasn’t been compensated for that work isn’t true. He’s earned fortunes out of that club and earned every penny in my mind. But it doesn’t entitle you to free money for life. Especially when the rest of the club is in such a poor state Although is piss my sides laughing if Aberdeen offered him 100k a year to be their ambassador and he fucked Utd off 🤣
@@Things-Just-Happen I don't mean historically. As an ambassador Ferguson would have been worth more than £2m a year to united. They're a midtable club now, but united would have used the Ferguson 'brand' to monetise their past successes. Getting rid of him's a pr own goal, can only set some united fans against ineos and will probably cost them money in the long term too.
@@jonathancampbell9133 I would have agreed for the maybe the 5 years post retirement but not now. The clubs history is it’s history and you can’t change that,they won what they won under him and it’s ironclad stamped. Personally don’t think he brings anything in monetary wise anymore and he isn’t being ousted by the club, he’ll still sit in every game he ever wants too and he’ll still walk through any door he ever wants to in that club. He’s just not getting millions of pounds a year anymore. So really he isn’t losing any status, just money. And money that certainly can be better put to use in that club at the minute. I’d even maybe argue he’s got too much of a hand on United as of now. Maybe it does United good to get him out a bit and get his opinion out of the club.
@@Things-Just-Happen if he didn't bring money into united they wouldn't have hired him - it's not like Ferguson needs the money. Ineos need him more than ever too, to distract fans from the absolute mess on the pitch. In a month when they should have sacked ten hag, ineos removed united's greatest ever manager from the club instead... the optics are dreadful.
Tuchel will implode when things turn against him. No doubt he is a good coach and manager. However, that doesn’t mean he can pull things together to get the best out of the England squad before he implodes and leaves or gets sacked. I don’t think he can do it therefore I think he isn’t the right appointment but I hope I’m wrong.
Times have massively changed. We have a better squad and football now is more systematic, Tuchel is also arguably the best in the world at knockout football.
@@mickbanner you are aware they play the English national anthem when Lewis wins before the German one right? The car manufacturer might be German but he’s still representing England
i dont watch or care about international football in any capacity and its nothing to do with tuchel being german, but isnt the premise of international football the best of every nations talent and brains from that country? if a country has a poor managerial pool thats a limitation of the country really. I mean who the fuck was Croatias manager when they won the euros? Does the Spain manager have any pedigree at club level? It just makes English international football even more of a farce in my opinion. Would like to see a follow up on this discussion next week if its not tired.
I understand some people like to think the nationality of international managers means nothing but obviously that isn’t the case and it’s pretty naive to think so. Managing a country is very different from just a club, everyone has their own biases and opinions about countries where very little care much about most clubs. I’m not saying Tuchel won’t give it his all but it’s not like he ever cared or supported England before this job like you’d imagine every English manager would. I’ll fully support him and I don’t doubt he’ll be completely professional but it’s just the underlying knowledge that he in general doesn’t care about the national team and would rather other teams win the World Cup/Euros (outside of this appointment I mean, as he’s the manager he’ll want us to win above all other teams, just that deep down he doesn’t support us over other nations).
You could say the exact same thing about club football too though I doubt he supports Dortmund, psg, Chelsea etc but he still does his best to manage them so does it matter?
@@slayingroosters4355 dunno how you missed my point. Everyone has biases and opinions about countries because everyone is from a country. Not everyone supports a club from the Bundesliga, Premier League and Ligue 1 lol kinda obvious. If Tuchel doesn’t care about any clubs in the premier league why would he have any reason not to fully support Chelsea, whereas he clearly wouldn’t support the nation England over every other nation. That’s the clear difference…
@@croissantpower I didn't miss your point it's just incorrect. Not EVERYONE has biases, just in your small experience. Not only that but having an opinion about something doesn't necessarily mean you support it. A lot of people from a lot of places despise everything there country does. Is it better to get an English manager who is bang average and anti nationalist, even going as far to hate the country, just because he is English? Again, I don't know how you didn't see I get your point it is just completely irrelevant. 💀 How do you know tuchel's views. Just because your one track mind can't comprehend something because it's not your view. Tuchel is German but the German media are very harsh on him due to his time there, so maybe he doesn't like the national team. Why would he be more likely to support any other national team than England if he doesn't support Germany. Not only that but you don't know he doesn't support another premier league club. He might have been a huge arsenal fan but thought well I'm going to make millions and Chelsea is still a big club. What I find funniest about your comment is that OBVIOUSLY not everyone supports a club from those three leagues but you instantly go on to say that if you're from a country you have to support that national team and you have to be biased towards them 🤣 I'm pretty sure it's also OBVIOUS that being from a country doesn't mean you have to like it
@@slayingroosters4355 kinda agreed with me there by saying that some people despise their own country, you do realise that would mean they have a bias and opinion on it right? Lol Someone who hates England would obviously never take up the job and my whole point was for the manager to be English so they’d actually support the nation outside of their appointment and care about it, if they hated the country obviously would go against my only reasoning for wanting an English manager… I think it’s safe to say that a German prefers Germany to England but if you want to guess that he doesn’t, be my guest you’ll just sound idiotic (again). I said everyone has biases against countries and not everyone supports clubs from each particular league. The fact you find such an obvious statement so funny says a lot about you’re own grasp of reality. Either you have learning difficulties or you need to seek help
As a Welshman, England having a German manager is the biggest joke ever. Lets not forget the English and the Germans are all Anglo Saxons. They are very similar prople.
Germans aren't Anglo Saxons. The Angles were a Germanic people that inhabited the south of what is now Denmark. They migrated to England before the Saxons, who were a Germanic tribe that lived in the north of Germany. The English aren't Anglo Saxons either, it's a weird and misinformed point that right wing nut jobs tended to make to separate our selves from both our Celtic and European neighbours which has somehow become a mainstream train of thought. The Anglo Saxons was a people formed out of the melting pot of the Celtic Britons inhabiting england, the Angles and the Saxons. English furthers that melting pot by throwing norse and norman (which is it's self a melting pot of Norse and French peoples, the French who them selves are latinised Germanics) into the mix, which distinctly makes us not Anglo Saxons anymore. The Saxons also weren't a major group in Germany, they were Conquered by the Franks, another Germanic people that also conquered France. Very little of the Saxons remains in German culture. So yeah, no, neither the Germans or the English are Anglo Saxons. Thank you for listening to my ted talk
Tuchel's only major achievement in football was with an English club. If he also wins something with England he's not German anymore hes an Englishman.
I think we should go beyond Foreign managers at international level. Why can't we get players from other countries, just as long as they haven't played any full caps for another country. We did it with Rice and Grealish. Why not get a decent Brazilian or Nigerian... Just as long as they haven't played anything beyond a friendly, why not?
its not that he’s german but i would say germany is like our derby game if ya like maybe not anymore but closest thing you can get to international rival so feels weird to have a rival manager in charge like when benitez went to everton just bit odd but he’s the best for the job
The only ridiculous thing is having to wait until next year for Tuchel to sort the national team out. Howe is a mediocre manager in the grand scheme of things
James, the reason you have such a strong league is because of the international players not the English players… And if Brexit means Brexit, why doesn’t that apply to the Premier League? So, I don’t see why it’s a problem that now you have an international coach . I really think that this is really being blown out of proportion.. if it was pep, or klopp this wouldn’t be an issue Re Carsley, didn’t he play for Northern Ireland?
He played for the republic. He’s also English. He was born in Birmingham and lived his entire life here And how you feel about the national team manager isn’t the same as the domestic league. I don’t mind a German coming to the UK but I don’t think one should be prime minister. Although personally I’m fine with Tuchel
Look at top international teams. Do foreign managers manage them? Nope normally not it’s someone from that country because that’s the go to and most common
The whole "Saka's always limping and pretending he's injured", you mean... like every other bloody footballer? Why does Saka get called out for this and no one else, its really weird
If you've never won a world cup before? Yes I think it's the same. to be able to say otherwise is a privilege some english people erroneously think they have
Can’t they get rid of ffp because the gap is so big with or without it. Instead let teams spend big but introduce a rule e.g for every 1m spent, 5% goes down the efl, so if a team spends 100m in the summer they must contribute 5m extra into the efl.
The gap with unlimited spending would be so extreme within the Prem itself that we’d be left with a La Liga style differential in finances. Like you’re % downwards idea on net overspend per season though, but it’d need to be on a sliding scale eg 0% on first £100M, 20% on £100-250M, 50% on £250M +
If you've got a problem with England using their power and influence to bring in Tuchel, then you should say the same about England's ability to take players like Declan Rice and Jack Grealish from Ireland
Why on earth would Howe have been “perfect”? Has he ever been successful in knockout football? Has he ever managed a team to the top silverware? Has he ever dealt with the pressure of not being underdogs? Oh right, he was born here, guess that makes him the best candidate. Many Southgate naysayers pointed out his lack of nous in the big moments but there are zero English coaches that have demonstrated that. Tuchel, has succeeded at the highest level especially in cup competitions. He’s charismatic, has worked in English football and is an excellent communicator in English (let’s be honest his English is probably better than most natives). Capello especially and Sven were both poor on the latter iirc. It’s so funny to me that we all preach for meritocracy EXCEPT in the case of the NT manager? Also let’s just be honest and call what’s been in the media this week, what it is - XENOPHOBIA. Plain and simple, is it subtle yes, but that it is.
Flav complaining about misinformation in the man City case being reported as a win and then spewing lies about arsenal. The rules are changing, to be in line with the current uefa rules which arsenal already follow. Uefa didn't allow 0 interest loans in the first place. The rule change will more likely affect teams like Everton
One of the worst takes I’ve heard about the City APT case from Flav. Complete and utter misunderstanding and misinformation about what happened. Come on guys please actually bother to get things right before spouting nonsense about them. The rules were proven to be unlawful, unfair and unreasonable. The premier league called and then cancelled an emergency meeting The premier league said that the amendments needed to the rules would only take 10 days and then quickly completely changed their tune and wrote to the clubs to inform them that the new rules would take some time to get right. City can now claim damages and losses from the premier league. Non of the above screams a victory for the premier league or that they “smashed them all over the courtroom”
“Sporting” rules don’t have to be lawful. It’s not illegal to cheat at golf but a golf club can still throw you out for doing so, without having to go to court to prove it. You join a club, you play by its rules.
@@neilturner6749 this isn’t “sporting” rules though is it? They’ve not fielded 12 players which would be comparable to the utter drivel you have just typed out.
“Everyone should support and… more importantly, donate to”. Some manners and more respect for your subscribers wouldn’t go amiss in how you word these askings.
A 1 hour 4 minutes long JAFFN of ‘football chat’?! Utter woke nonsense
14 days…14 fucking days.
Ikr...
There was some serious “let’s bash this one out cause we’ve a meeting in an hour” vibes about this episode.
The disrespect.
Fuming. The life of a dry slug is trouble enough. I feel like I've been sprinkled with salt and left out in the sun to wither away, only for a splash of cold water to come after 14 days. Jaffn. But it's all football chat, and no Handcocks hand grenade...stay strong slugs.
14 days is nothing us f1 fans have had a 4 week break
Who’s this bloke James has got on the pod? Seems alright, should get him on again
Can't have the same guest on too many times though, would become too boring for me
His name is Flav. Been on a few times before but not a fan of him personally, think James should mix it up with the guests
@@davejones2123 maybe he should replace him with Stephen Tries
@@JA-pt6nu great point
If you’re upset the England manager is German wait till you hear about the Royal Family
What about them?
@@TrentAA6608 Elijha Holy Wanishola 4121. The British Royal Family are descended from German ancestry. Prince Albert (Queen Victoria’s husband) was German. He was also Queen Victoria’s first cousin. Prince Philip’s mother was German. There’s a lot of German heritage in the most affluent, identifiable British family.
Feeling empty without Hancock’s hand grenade I’ll be honest with you
Outside the media I haven’t heard anyone talk about the fact he’s German, it feels like the media have guessed what peoples reactions would be.
Everyone is talking about the fact that England have a German manager. You’d have to be pretty deluded to think that isn’t a talked about thing lol
@@croissantpower because the media won’t let the topic be anything else! So much of what we talk about is media lead instead of the other way round!
@@19Paul91 yes the media are talking about it correct. But everyone would talk about such a shock appointment anyway. It’s a big deal newsflash, it isn’t the media’s fault he got the job
@@19Paul91A lot of these sports media outlets are connected to larger news outlets that have, for at least the last decade but some much longer, been encouraging the public to hate foreigners. Gotta maintain the hate ahead of the cognitive dissonance that will come from a German guy doing well with the national team
@@croissantpower I think the shock at the appointment has much more to do with the level on manager he is rather than the fact he's German. Only certain publications seem to care about that. I don't think anyone thought the next England manager would be someone who would be considered for top club jobs
This episode reminded me of that classic Simpsons moment where the town discovers Principal Skinner isn’t really Seymour Skinner. Instead, he took on the name to avoid breaking the news to the real Seymour’s near-blind mother that her son had died. Despite this huge revelation, the show never referenced it again. Many Simpsons fans consider that episode the end of the show's 'golden era,' marking a shift to more episodic storytelling where past events had little bearing on future ones. Please, prove me wrong-I don’t want to look back on this football chat episode as the moment that marked the end of our golden era. Please, James. Please, Flav.
I've never heard anyone say "Germany won the 2004 euros because Greece had a German manager"
No we all say that Greece won it. If sven won 2006 wc nobody wouodve said sweden won the world cup.
If you're that insecure then that someone making a stupid comment like that is going to affect you then that's your own problem
It going to take time at West Ham
I don't think you can call the Daily Mail's audience a demographic, its more like a... demogammon, a hamographic if you like
with skin tone ranging from pink to grey
Making a derogatory comment about the skin colour of others...sounds like racism to me.
And no I'm not a Mail reader, I just don't like hypocrites or racists.
@@paulhanson5164 ladies and gentlemen, we got one
@@paulhanson5164 He's referring to middle aged and older white people, its a play on the gammon theme because old ham goes grey, its quite clever actually
@@paulhanson5164 no it’s not actually, paul.
There'd be more coaches if the FA didn't charge more than 10,000 pounds for badges, it's only 1k euro in Spain and 500 in Germany smh
What a great video from James and Gary
"Will Duran score more goals than Watkins" ?..."No".
Thanks for the in depth analysis of my club lads, I had 9 seconds to kill so I'm glad I didn't waste them.
As a Villa fan tuning into this hour long pod I had similar thoughts 😂 however I take it as a complimemt that there isn't much to say outside of "we're just bloody good" Emery just keeps on delivering.
@@neilfox9540 Seeing it as a compliment also occurred to me, I just couldn't help myself and had to make a sarcastic comment.
Potential new bit?
If a Premier League manager were a meal, what would they be? Eg:
Thomas Frank - Toad in the Hole, a hearty meal that can be put together on shoe string but still leaves you satisfied. If the sausages are of the right quality you can make the meal work, even if you use some flour that’s been in the cupboard for a long time.
Pep - Chateuabriand, the meat for the purists, a succulent cut. Sometimes people will want a cut with a bit more fat to add some flavour, but that’s not the way of Chateaubriand. Sometimes the waiter can yap on about how the cow was raised and its diet, which you have to nod along with until it’s time to eat.
lad you have too much time on your hands
@@tristenchan2253 slugs don’t have hands
@@tristenchan2253Nice of you to take a slice out of your busy, busy day!
Eddie Howe. Brioche Burger - sexy enough to give a good first impression. Plenty of meat, cheese and secret sauce. Can give you a few problems at the back later 😂
Steve Cooper is a jacket potato. Basic, does the job, but mainly he just looks like one.
Glad to see the guy from football between the lines giving time to smaller creators
11:01 Germany see Netherlands as their rival - the rivalry is mainly from Englands side and Germany are much less bothered
Do you know why that is? Is it just geographically being neighbours? As the Dutch are even less successful than England
@@oufc90 maybe the historically crazy big knockout stage matches theyve had plays a role lol
@@oufc90 its absolutely not just due to geography…
Also - how do you think England are more successful?
@@FoxtrotBravoRomeo oh okay, what else is it then? Big knockout matches they’ve had as the other reply suggested? Well England have 1 World Cup and Netherlands have 1 Euros which isn’t as big
@@oufc90bitterness over WW2 occupation was a big factor, which led to the crazy knockout matches as mentioned.
Englands WC was so long ago I would argue its on par with Netherlands 1988 Euro
Any Tuchel negativity is nonsense, the guy is the bollocks and everyone will fall in love with him. Just annoying we have to wait till March for his first game for people to see how fuckin class he is
How is it nonsense to think the manager should fit the same criteria as the players?
@@SuperJJParker if the rules were you have to have a manger of your nationality then fair enough, but why would we actively appoint a Gary O’Neil over Tuchel when we don’t need to
@@JackNewton233 This is the problem. The rules don't make sense. Just because a rule was made years ago does not mean people can't disagree with it and discuss it.
@@SuperJJParker What are you talking about
@@AlexN798 If you can't understand my comment, you need to go back to school.
Does anyone remember that the women's team is coached by a foreigner as well and there was not this amount of xenophobia for her
How is it xenophobic to believe that the English team should be represented by English people in an international tournament?
Partly because less people are interested in the women’s game, btw it isn’t xenophobic
Yeah I think it's less of the lack of xenophobia more the lack of caring about the women's team 🤣
There are two conversations going on, the smaller one is xenophobic. The other one is about coaching pipelines and whether you believe the top teams with all the resources should be investing in their own setups. I personally don't care but I think there is a fair conversation there that isn't unique to England
@@samuelloification2749 How is it xenophobic to want an English manager?
People moaning about Tuchel because hes German must be forgetting that during WW2 their gaffer was from Austria
They did lose though
Further proves the point you can’t win anything without a manager from your nation (except Greece in 2004 of course)
England definitely have a shot of winning the fa cup now
i just don't get why there's different rules to players and coaching staff. If a manager from a small nation is one of the best in the world at international management, then isn't that supposed to be a huge boon to that country? I've always felt that international football should be about the very best people from each country competing against each other, including everything from the players and coaches to the kitman.
Really interested by James' sadness about it not being an english manager rather than about who was appointed.
Because the mass response that has come was entirely predictable - maybe the FA could have publicly said they were probably going to bring in a non-English manager ahead of the appointment.
Would have allowed people to be sad about that, and separates it from Tuchel's appointment slightly/protects him a bit?
Considering James supports Scotland and England, being disappointed at England hiring a foreign manager is a very strange take
In fairness to Tuchel in terms of opprtunity, he got the Dortmund job by getting Mainz into the Europa league twice. Which was impressive.
Duran hot take: He'll either get sold and flop, or Emery will put him in and he'll flop. He's only scored goals in wide open game states, and from outside the box. This isn't anything to go off, there's no evidence he can do this consistently, there's not even any information about what kind of player he is other than "he scores good goals". Does he link play? Hold the ball up? Make runs? Good in the air? No one knows anything about him yet everyone's convinced themselves he's incredible because "he done a good goal"
Morning Flav
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*Gary
Morning mate
Ipswich v Ipswich. This isn't good enough, is it?
Great guest this week!
Gutted to have watched for 56 minutes waiting for Aston Villa and the prediction discussion was a total of 10 seconds
How are you comparing Eddie Howe with Tuchel again and again? Don't put their names on the same sentence again. Newcastle with Eddie Howe were knocked out in group stage after finishing bottom.
Surely the point of the PL rules is so non of them get beat in court. Man City getting 1 rule changed is a win.
Hes not a German manager he's a guy who loves England for some reason the same guy that stayed living in London when he sacked from Chelsea Lee Carsley is technically not even English so why does that matter
Lee Carsley who was born in England, grew up in England and has only ever worked in England isn’t English… boy have I got news for you.
@@pazthepole2814 played for Ireland hence the technically you mong
@@AlexN798 Oh wow you’re really opening our eyes to that as if everyone didn’t already fucking know that… People can have more than one nationality you pillock. In fact a good 75% of the England squad do…
The Jasion Cundy thing comes from a Norwegian commentator who went crazy many years ago when Norw3ay beat England - Cundy is paraphrasing him - Cundy is also a bellend just so you know
A 1 Hour long Jaffn Episode that is purely football chat... after we've been sat here for 2 weeks suffering like slugs on a pavement in the summer sun.
Not sure what's worse, this or the Jaffn Community page calling Donut and Swiss Roll types of Bread! utter woke nonsense the lot of it.
I think the 18 month contract is a win win for everyone. Tuchel has a great opportunity to become one of the few managers to win both champions league and world cup. And the English FA arent over commited to a contract if it fails drastically. Oh and which other top manager from the prem league just might be available in 18 months that the FA might just double down on??
where did that baseball come from!? USA fan and that made me smile when I saw James throwing it to himself I do that too lol.
There is no England Germany rivalry from a German point of view. They have a rivalry with Netherlands and don't care about us. We just have a load of fans who sing about the war. That's all.
Raphael Honigstein said the same thing to Lineker in an interview the other day. Italy and The Netherlands.
Wow imagine watching this for 56 minutes for 15 seconds of your clubs predictions
Someone like a big ange be great. But frank lampard should of had a go
lads i might have heard a samism but i'm not sure if it is or not. overheard a football fan saying "turn it up a gear". now i'd say it would usually be "take it up a gear". but i'm not sure what other phrase he's combined it with.
Turn it up a notch + move/shift it up a gear = take it up a gear
@@neilturner6749 I see it. What a champ. Although can a gear turn? Are gears cogs? Cogs turn
Is Roberto Martínez Portuguese or Belgian. Is Mancini from Saudi. Is McLaren Jamaican ffs. Love the pod but let’s just be happy we’ve got a manager that’s actually won something. Can’t say that about an English manager
I do get Jim’s point about how damming the Tuchel appointment is for the English managerial system. It does show we don’t create managers of a good enough level. What I would say to that is, this is true whether we admit it or not. This was already true before Tuchel. Why try and plaster over it with a less talented manager and waste a chance with our golden generation? You can’t start to fix the problem until you admit there’s a problem. In appointing Tuchel we’ve admitted that English managers aren’t good. Now we can actually address why the system isn’t producing good managers. You can “England DNA” it. Build a complete consistent comprehensive framework for coaching education that isn’t stupidly expensive. Look at how Spain and Germany and Italy do it. Implement a philosophy for English coaches that can table them for success and also aligns with what we want the England team to play like. Obviously this is all easier said than done, but ultimately if we don’t change the system we won’t get better manager coming out of it
How would you feel if Eddie Howe got the Germany job and won them the World Cup while knocking england out in the process?
The question shouldn’t be would you react the same if it was pep in charge, it should be how would you react if it was klopp in charge
Waited forever for this and got 14 secs about my club 😂 class
The “German thing” is purely an “English thing” ! Germany respects English football & its history but Italy & Netherlands are they’re biggest rivals
To put Fergies money into context
If he earns the reported £2.5m, that’s more money than Andoni Iraola & Gary O'Neil
COMBINED
And how much money did employing Ferguson bring into the club?
They wouldn't have been paying him £2m just to show up @ games. His value to their marketing would no doubt have brought in more than his salary - united are anything but a charity.
@@jonathancampbell9133 oh historically you’re right, it’s an endless amount of money. But to say he hasn’t been compensated for that work isn’t true. He’s earned fortunes out of that club and earned every penny in my mind. But it doesn’t entitle you to free money for life. Especially when the rest of the club is in such a poor state
Although is piss my sides laughing if Aberdeen offered him 100k a year to be their ambassador and he fucked Utd off 🤣
@@Things-Just-Happen I don't mean historically.
As an ambassador Ferguson would have been worth more than £2m a year to united. They're a midtable club now, but united would have used the Ferguson 'brand' to monetise their past successes.
Getting rid of him's a pr own goal, can only set some united fans against ineos and will probably cost them money in the long term too.
@@jonathancampbell9133 I would have agreed for the maybe the 5 years post retirement but not now. The clubs history is it’s history and you can’t change that,they won what they won under him and it’s ironclad stamped. Personally don’t think he brings anything in monetary wise anymore and he isn’t being ousted by the club, he’ll still sit in every game he ever wants too and he’ll still walk through any door he ever wants to in that club. He’s just not getting millions of pounds a year anymore. So really he isn’t losing any status, just money. And money that certainly can be better put to use in that club at the minute.
I’d even maybe argue he’s got too much of a hand on United as of now. Maybe it does United good to get him out a bit and get his opinion out of the club.
@@Things-Just-Happen if he didn't bring money into united they wouldn't have hired him - it's not like Ferguson needs the money. Ineos need him more than ever too, to distract fans from the absolute mess on the pitch.
In a month when they should have sacked ten hag, ineos removed united's greatest ever manager from the club instead... the optics are dreadful.
Tuchel will implode when things turn against him. No doubt he is a good coach and manager. However, that doesn’t mean he can pull things together to get the best out of the England squad before he implodes and leaves or gets sacked. I don’t think he can do it therefore I think he isn’t the right appointment but I hope I’m wrong.
This feels like a Capello type appointment. The media thought it was a sure thing
Times have massively changed. We have a better squad and football now is more systematic, Tuchel is also arguably the best in the world at knockout football.
capello was just there for the pay check, tuchel has something to prove
When Lewis Hamilton moved to the German manufacturer did it lessen his wins. No
Representing a car manufacturer is a bit different to representing a nation
@@bole3019 not really
@@mickbanner you are aware they play the English national anthem when Lewis wins before the German one right? The car manufacturer might be German but he’s still representing England
@@bole3019 so are the English players 🥱
@@mickbanner we’re not talking about the English players, we are talking about the German manager
I was hoping for a leftfield shout for Lampard. I'm still hoping he gets a chance at some point
Then you hope for failure
@@gerghghherb880 isn't that what us Brits are best at? 🤣
Been completely blue balled here , expected the Steve cooper trapped in a headlock , flav just didn’t give it to me. Gutted .
i dont watch or care about international football in any capacity and its nothing to do with tuchel being german, but isnt the premise of international football the best of every nations talent and brains from that country? if a country has a poor managerial pool thats a limitation of the country really. I mean who the fuck was Croatias manager when they won the euros? Does the Spain manager have any pedigree at club level? It just makes English international football even more of a farce in my opinion. Would like to see a follow up on this discussion next week if its not tired.
I live in Germany and germans don't even like tuchel 😂
Why does Flav look like he’s just been told someone’s ate all the chocolate bickys in the thumbnail?
I understand some people like to think the nationality of international managers means nothing but obviously that isn’t the case and it’s pretty naive to think so. Managing a country is very different from just a club, everyone has their own biases and opinions about countries where very little care much about most clubs.
I’m not saying Tuchel won’t give it his all but it’s not like he ever cared or supported England before this job like you’d imagine every English manager would. I’ll fully support him and I don’t doubt he’ll be completely professional but it’s just the underlying knowledge that he in general doesn’t care about the national team and would rather other teams win the World Cup/Euros (outside of this appointment I mean, as he’s the manager he’ll want us to win above all other teams, just that deep down he doesn’t support us over other nations).
You could say the exact same thing about club football too though I doubt he supports Dortmund, psg, Chelsea etc but he still does his best to manage them so does it matter?
@@slayingroosters4355 dunno how you missed my point. Everyone has biases and opinions about countries because everyone is from a country. Not everyone supports a club from the Bundesliga, Premier League and Ligue 1 lol kinda obvious.
If Tuchel doesn’t care about any clubs in the premier league why would he have any reason not to fully support Chelsea, whereas he clearly wouldn’t support the nation England over every other nation. That’s the clear difference…
@@croissantpower I didn't miss your point it's just incorrect. Not EVERYONE has biases, just in your small experience. Not only that but having an opinion about something doesn't necessarily mean you support it. A lot of people from a lot of places despise everything there country does. Is it better to get an English manager who is bang average and anti nationalist, even going as far to hate the country, just because he is English? Again, I don't know how you didn't see I get your point it is just completely irrelevant. 💀 How do you know tuchel's views. Just because your one track mind can't comprehend something because it's not your view. Tuchel is German but the German media are very harsh on him due to his time there, so maybe he doesn't like the national team. Why would he be more likely to support any other national team than England if he doesn't support Germany. Not only that but you don't know he doesn't support another premier league club. He might have been a huge arsenal fan but thought well I'm going to make millions and Chelsea is still a big club. What I find funniest about your comment is that OBVIOUSLY not everyone supports a club from those three leagues but you instantly go on to say that if you're from a country you have to support that national team and you have to be biased towards them 🤣 I'm pretty sure it's also OBVIOUS that being from a country doesn't mean you have to like it
@@slayingroosters4355 kinda agreed with me there by saying that some people despise their own country, you do realise that would mean they have a bias and opinion on it right? Lol
Someone who hates England would obviously never take up the job and my whole point was for the manager to be English so they’d actually support the nation outside of their appointment and care about it, if they hated the country obviously would go against my only reasoning for wanting an English manager…
I think it’s safe to say that a German prefers Germany to England but if you want to guess that he doesn’t, be my guest you’ll just sound idiotic (again).
I said everyone has biases against countries and not everyone supports clubs from each particular league. The fact you find such an obvious statement so funny says a lot about you’re own grasp of reality. Either you have learning difficulties or you need to seek help
'just let salah go' IT IS 2024 MAN!! surely we've moved on from thinking salah isnt an absolute all timer who doesn't apply to the usual rules
As a Welshman, England having a German manager is the biggest joke ever. Lets not forget the English and the Germans are all Anglo Saxons. They are very similar prople.
Germans aren't Anglo Saxons. The Angles were a Germanic people that inhabited the south of what is now Denmark. They migrated to England before the Saxons, who were a Germanic tribe that lived in the north of Germany.
The English aren't Anglo Saxons either, it's a weird and misinformed point that right wing nut jobs tended to make to separate our selves from both our Celtic and European neighbours which has somehow become a mainstream train of thought.
The Anglo Saxons was a people formed out of the melting pot of the Celtic Britons inhabiting england, the Angles and the Saxons. English furthers that melting pot by throwing norse and norman (which is it's self a melting pot of Norse and French peoples, the French who them selves are latinised Germanics) into the mix, which distinctly makes us not Anglo Saxons anymore.
The Saxons also weren't a major group in Germany, they were Conquered by the Franks, another Germanic people that also conquered France. Very little of the Saxons remains in German culture.
So yeah, no, neither the Germans or the English are Anglo Saxons.
Thank you for listening to my ted talk
Why are we pretending that Tuchel got handed big jobs he worked incredibly hard to get where he is look at what he did at Mainz
Tuchel's only major achievement in football was with an English club. If he also wins something with England he's not German anymore hes an Englishman.
I think we should go beyond Foreign managers at international level.
Why can't we get players from other countries, just as long as they haven't played any full caps for another country.
We did it with Rice and Grealish. Why not get a decent Brazilian or Nigerian... Just as long as they haven't played anything beyond a friendly, why not?
Get him a cup of tea and a passport, he's one of us now.
its not that he’s german but i would say germany is like our derby game if ya like maybe not anymore but closest thing you can get to international rival so feels weird to have a rival manager in charge like when benitez went to everton just bit odd
but he’s the best for the job
Graham Potter needs to change his name. I'm telling you - Greme Potter gets hired.
Graf Potter - cool Star Warsy name
Greg Potent?
loved it as episode but can we have some equalisation? flav is sooooo much loader than jla and it makes the pod so much harder to listen to
whats gouing on with your Mix levels? Flavs WAAAY louder
The only ridiculous thing is having to wait until next year for Tuchel to sort the national team out. Howe is a mediocre manager in the grand scheme of things
No English manager has EVER won the Premier League. It's not a surprise there's no English manager for the national team.
James, the reason you have such a strong league is because of the international players not the English players…
And if Brexit means Brexit, why doesn’t that apply to the Premier League?
So, I don’t see why it’s a problem that now you have an international coach . I really think that this is really being blown out of proportion.. if it was pep, or klopp this wouldn’t be an issue
Re Carsley, didn’t he play for Northern Ireland?
He played for the republic. He’s also English. He was born in Birmingham and lived his entire life here
And how you feel about the national team manager isn’t the same as the domestic league. I don’t mind a German coming to the UK but I don’t think one should be prime minister.
Although personally I’m fine with Tuchel
Look at top international teams. Do foreign managers manage them? Nope normally not it’s someone from that country because that’s the go to and most common
The whole "Saka's always limping and pretending he's injured", you mean... like every other bloody footballer? Why does Saka get called out for this and no one else, its really weird
Because he does it far more frequently than most and usually with semi-obvious tactical timing
This wasn't JAFFN boys.
England deserve Southgate with the reaction they've had to a foreign manager
If you've never won a world cup before? Yes I think it's the same. to be able to say otherwise is a privilege some english people erroneously think they have
Read the thing about Vialli and English football. It explains it all
Can’t they get rid of ffp because the gap is so big with or without it. Instead let teams spend big but introduce a rule e.g for every 1m spent, 5% goes down the efl, so if a team spends 100m in the summer they must contribute 5m extra into the efl.
The gap with unlimited spending would be so extreme within the Prem itself that we’d be left with a La Liga style differential in finances.
Like you’re % downwards idea on net overspend per season though, but it’d need to be on a sliding scale eg 0% on first £100M, 20% on £100-250M, 50% on £250M +
If you've got a problem with England using their power and influence to bring in Tuchel, then you should say the same about England's ability to take players like Declan Rice and Jack Grealish from Ireland
For the 400th time the kroenke loans weren't interest free 😐
Wheres the Segment where Flav talks extensively about Spurs being as Spursey as Spurs could possibly spurs.....?
Wheres the link to the non football chat?
Seeing a lot of football on these timestamps. Worried
He’s the best manager on the market I don’t understand why him not being English matters?
Why on earth would Howe have been “perfect”? Has he ever been successful in knockout football? Has he ever managed a team to the top silverware? Has he ever dealt with the pressure of not being underdogs? Oh right, he was born here, guess that makes him the best candidate. Many Southgate naysayers pointed out his lack of nous in the big moments but there are zero English coaches that have demonstrated that.
Tuchel, has succeeded at the highest level especially in cup competitions. He’s charismatic, has worked in English football and is an excellent communicator in English (let’s be honest his English is probably better than most natives). Capello especially and Sven were both poor on the latter iirc.
It’s so funny to me that we all preach for meritocracy EXCEPT in the case of the NT manager? Also let’s just be honest and call what’s been in the media this week, what it is - XENOPHOBIA. Plain and simple, is it subtle yes, but that it is.
Missed this
I just hope the FA back him in January.
Flav complaining about misinformation in the man City case being reported as a win and then spewing lies about arsenal. The rules are changing, to be in line with the current uefa rules which arsenal already follow. Uefa didn't allow 0 interest loans in the first place. The rule change will more likely affect teams like Everton
Carly looks like a rugby manager
Arsenal top 4 for sure
I dunno whether you've done something weird with thr monetisation for this video but the number of adverts im getting is off the scale
If England win the world cup all this overthinking will dissolve into pure ecstasy.
Tagged you and Jim on Twitter, any reason why the Patreon is $2,300? Took a screenshot so you can see, not sure I can pay that lads
Where was the Hancock handgrenade?
James is fine with any nationality as long as hes not from the midlands.
One of the worst takes I’ve heard about the City APT case from Flav. Complete and utter misunderstanding and misinformation about what happened. Come on guys please actually bother to get things right before spouting nonsense about them.
The rules were proven to be unlawful, unfair and unreasonable.
The premier league called and then cancelled an emergency meeting
The premier league said that the amendments needed to the rules would only take 10 days and then quickly completely changed their tune and wrote to the clubs to inform them that the new rules would take some time to get right.
City can now claim damages and losses from the premier league.
Non of the above screams a victory for the premier league or that they “smashed them all over the courtroom”
“Sporting” rules don’t have to be lawful. It’s not illegal to cheat at golf but a golf club can still throw you out for doing so, without having to go to court to prove it. You join a club, you play by its rules.
@@neilturner6749 this isn’t “sporting” rules though is it? They’ve not fielded 12 players which would be comparable to the utter drivel you have just typed out.
Spurs gonna give ipswich their first win. Spursyness
Newcastle finishing in 9th, who is this fool 😂😂😂😂
I mean there's like 2 or 3 irishmen in the England team so why does a German manager matter....
“Everyone should support and… more importantly, donate to”. Some manners and more respect for your subscribers wouldn’t go amiss in how you word these askings.
Short one?
Half of the Ipswich talk was about Rory delap. What a load of shite
Can flav upload more on RUclips please
can't see the Villa chapter so...