DEMON SLAYER Success is UNTHINKABLE to American Comic Book Publishers!
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Demon Slayer manga sales have topped 100 MILLION COPIES... just in 2020 alone! And the Mugen Train movie continues to destroy Japanese box office records. American comic book publishers can't even begin to imagine this kind of runaway success. There's nothing even remotely close to manga sales levels in the West. Demon Slayer is such a pop culture phenomenon in Japan, that Japanese schoolchildren respect Tanjiro more than their own parents!
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Who would want to have a Demon Slayer Halloween Horror Nights maze?
some of the best anime movies are your name, violet evergarden, the boy and the best, battle angel (1993), ghost in the shell, a silent voice.
That "spoiler" about his family dying and about his sister is essentially the premise of the whole show and was in the trailer for the show FYI. So I don't know that it actually qualifies as a spoiler 🤷♀️
Demon Slayer made me binge watch all 26 episodes in one sitting with no sleep up until 6AM morning back in June of this year. It's that good and also has a kickass intro giving youtuber music cover 9+million views. Was sad that the movie got pushed back until next year for international release. Glad Clownfish recommended it. I asked my cousin for a second opinion as well and all he told me was go see it it's sick.
But but but marvel and DC think manga is saving comics.
Video title could also read "Comic book publishers can't understand how Japan is able to tell an original story with timeless themes and universally appealing values"
They used to, but not anymore sadly...
Right now Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood and Demon Slayer are my favorite animes.
Well its a cliche setting like katekyoushi hitman and dgrayman but, how it executes is what matters,demon slayers did it just fine + ufotable did it justice
Engaging stories, likable characters, and pleasing visuals. Japan makes characters serious and/or cute as possible and enjoyable as possible. America makes characters stupid and/or ugly as possible and disrespectful as possible.
@@nozenkyuzero speaking of ufotable, I recommend anyone who sees this to watch their other works; Fate zero and Fate UBW and Fate HF. Great story, great characters, and of course, great animation.
Demon Slayer's success is simple.
They have actual characters instead of self inserts.
That's not why. Tons of stories have good characters and don't achieve anywhere near the success that DEMON SLAYER has.
DEMOM SLAYER is a phenomenon and if its success was simple to explain people would easily reproduce it. As they found out with PEARL HARBOR trying to replicate TITANIC'S success, it ain't that easy.
No wonder why Demon Slayer is popular, it is focused on telling you a story, not hating yourself or any specific group of people, because it's "deserved", and anything related to activism,
i'd rather see an actual good character than an insecure self-insert who doesn't have any real personality traits, let alone an interesting story.
@LTNetjak fyi, the author is a female
A reasonable and smart female author 😳
It even rarer than a shiny
@LTNetjak Isn't Koyoharu Gotouge a woman?
Characters with actual substance.. compelling character development.. a story that make sense.. who'da thunk that would be successful?
Say what? Customers want good products, not activism? That's just insane!
It sad they use to know how to make grand story's and good charters. The late 90 to early 2000 really was the end.
Even japan make feminist better in their anime, You guys should watch an anime call "Arte" (you can watch it on youtube in Muse asia channel, they bought anime license and upload free anime on youtube).
It about a girl (she is a real historical figures i think) want to be an artist but in that era, people dont accept a female artist. The best scene i remember is when she in the artist class with fully male and nobody want to acknowledge her even the teacher. She doesnt bitching about being female, she doesnt care what people think about her, she work harder, learn hard til the point that those people finally acknowledge her as an "artist" rather than an "female artist".
not to mention diversity cuz they're all Japanese and a lot of them are women
Quality is a Comicsgate dog whistle 🐶🐕.
Comics are just a stepping stone to a Netflix deal.
100K copies is just a doujinshi level number in Japan.
Even doujinshi sells more than this shitty American comics.
@@dinesh7792 and they dont even have any marketing. Also imagine if it uncensored
And they have better art and writing
@@dinesh7792 They have a bigger market, no one in the US buys comics lmao. And US Comics are almost always written better then manga.
@@lordwubbs9113 nope
Twitter: Japan!!! Make manga appeal more to Americans!!!
Japan: ... *It already appeals to Americans.*
It is worldwide already long time. There is one flaw in America - manga, what has been published in Japan like 10 years and is very popular, gets licensed by publisher from USA. They release like 20% of it and drop it, even if it has good fanbase in USA.REason is- when they get their investment back and bit more they want move to next manga and get that bigger profit part what first books bring again bc long stories after beginning doesnt make SO big profit what they want and smaller, steady profit doesnt ineterst them. Publishers in USA doesnt get that manga has beginning and end, not like comics with what dropping isnt big issue. After consumers have been treated like this 2-3 times.....they give up bc it is nearly impossible to get whole story, so ther isnt point to start with new manga again and get disappointed again.BUT bc that one publisher licensed that manga - nobody else can publish it too bc somehow USA publishers doesnt sell their licenses to other companies.
Ouch, that burn.
I thank God i live in Latin America! Comic editors here respect their readersmand push hard to translate the whole work, even for ones that were not as successful as originally projected to be
Why everything need to be appealed to americans...imagine being that arrogant
@@thomaszloi9444 we're talking about Twitter here after all. US Twitter at least
aka America’s comic industry doesn’t understand actual storytelling or real original characters anymore.
The people they hire do not understand that stuff going in. And this is mainly because they have allowed their management and editorial staff to be a bunch of activists who care more about the message than the story and characters.
America's comic industry has been trying to ape Watchman and The Dark Knight Returns since they came out, forgetting that what made them standout series was that they were EXCEPTIONS and not THE NORM.
@@daevious_ I'm pretty sure you mean The Dark Knight Returns.
@@harlannguyen4048 Corrected the title, thanks for pointing it out.
Welcome to postmodernism, where nothing makes sense.
us: make a diverse character then write the story. japan: write a good story then put diverse characters into that story.
America did the opposite.
US doesn't even write a story, the self insert themselves as the characters whose race/gender/s€xtu@ly are their only characteristics and reeee at the people who don't like or care for it.
Japan: you know what would be cool? A Black Russian sushi chef.
US: you know what’s problematic? Black people drawn with big lips.
Very different priorities.
My favourite cliche that came out of the former is the ‘international tournament’ where they’d have team China, US, Germany, Japan etc competing. History’s strongest disciple, Yakitate Japan, Gundam G to name a few with this cliche
Eh… most of the time Japan just puts Japanese characters, diversity isn’t a focus at all.
Which isn’t really surprising, since Japan is mostly Japanese people (surprised pikachu face). You don’t have many really pushing for diversity.
But this just means they can focus more on story to begin with.
“A good story with diverse characters? Inconceivable!” 😱
It's simple 80% of Manga have a real beginning and one end with the same original authors. So simple.
Manga also gets cancelled if its performing poorly. Not to mention that I'm pretty sure Manga authors don't make a lot of money unless that have run away hits. Like Demon Slayer apparently is turning out to be.
@@RaifSeverence yes but I'm talking about consumers it's much simpler for them to enter in any manga story
Exactly
Comics have so many multiverse and everything
Its really unappealing to get into that mess
@@joan3422 I think it's for older characters anyway that all of the iconic characters have existed for so long its looks like a lot when most of it is unconnected but anime and monga is soo much shorter per series with new ideas and new characters wich helps but comics do new to do a 180 with these new characters but what they are doing with flash and Justice league
what's on the Demon Slayer manga that other manga dont have? because if you ask me, it's just a typical shounen manga, nothing really special. i think the Demon Slayer success is primary due to Ufotable. without Ufotable, Demon Slayer will be just another typical shonen anime. Ufotable should be recognized more for producing high quality anime series/movies.
Demon Slayer literally shows you the true kindness of people and towards others and family during cruel times where literal monsters kill your loved ones. While American comics have been: hate everyone because "I'm" unhappy
It even goes out of its way to humanize most of the demons fought in the story.
@@harlannguyen4048 Imagine that... a story with actual empathy.
Unlike the Left which claims to have empathy, but actually instead just have mental illness.
That scene in one of the last chapters of the manga where Nezuko confronts Shinazugawa after she turns back in to a human is just great. It's implied that Nezuko has retained her memories of her journey with Tanjiro, so she most likely remembers him stabbing her, but she just makes smalltalk with him. He does apologize for what he did, but Nezuko just shrugs it off and they leave on good terms with Shinazugawa smiling and patting her on the head. That chapter got me to like Shinazugawa. Unlike many modern comic books, Demon Slayer understands compassion, empathy, and most of all kindness. Most people will probably say Tanjiro, (as a protagonist), is pretty vanilla, but his goal very relatable and shows how superheroes should be. Not looking for someone to hurt in the name of social justice, but helping others and protecting those that can't protect themselves. That kindness is also translated well with Nezuko. When Tanjiro becomes Demon King Tanjiro she's willing to go into the battlefield to try and stop Tanjiro from hurting everyone,( mind you, this is when Nezuko has been cured). This has more impact than Carl Manvers coming in with a bad nose job and saying, "Forget the phone, and lose the men." It shows that Nezuko cares for the people around her, even showing concern for Kanao after she gets fatally wounded trying to give the antidote to Tanjiro. Demon Slayer also does feminism better by making the girls in this series, smart, strong, and capable fighters while balancing that with kindness. Hell, one of the strongest characters Mitsuri, even joined the Demon Slayer Corps to find a husband who was stronger than her. She lives up to her title as "The Love Pillar" by maintaining a hopeless romantic approach to character, that really makes her endearing. Her own strength has been an obstacle for her to try and fall in love, and you really do want to root for her to succeed. The point in me bringing up Mitsuri, is that she's strong, but she also wants to fit in to the role of a wife. She wants to fall in love and start family. Women should be allowed to succeed in life, but they should also be allowed to marry and have children, if they want. To paraphrase Lois Griffin, (in one of the good seasons of Family Guy), if feminism is giving women a choice, and they choose to be housewives, then they should be allowed to be housewives.
@@Brotherofthe4thCompany Whoa, hey. Tag a spoiler warning on that thing. I almost started reading it.
It shows that something is wrong with this country. Corporate Amerimanga is not the answer. Japanese product brings heart and soul. A lot Corporate product does not.
“I’m Not Starfire, attempting to go head to head with manga.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABSJEOFJEBAJDBEHSH *wheezes*
"I'm Not Starfire" trying to go toe-to-toe with manga like Demon Slayer will be like an old Volkswagen Beetle trying to race against a Formula One car.
A Mercedes F1 car at that.
"That's so funny, Mark."
@@rodracer4567 No no, it is more like a small plank of wood with wheels attached that you give it one push to try and get it to go up a mile long hill, and Formula One car.
@@rodracer4567 and a 7x F1 Constructors champion with both Lewis Hamilton and Valeteri Bottas to boot...
I'm Not Starfire taking on anime is like a Kawasaki 1000cc (anime) WSBK champion bike taking on a 80cc World GP Bike (I am not Starfire)... With the 1000cc bike rider Jonathan Rea and the main character of I'm not Starfire riding the 80cc world GP bike.
People probably admire Tanjiro because he's inherently kind and warm-hearted, but not naively so.
This!!!
Exactly, hes kind natured but he doesn't let others walk over him. They can't comprehend the last part.
Fun fact: there was a poll on grade school students in who is the person they admired the most.
Tanjiro was the one who got the first spot. And their moms came in second.
@@sneefinsnorfintime I dont know if they should praise the kids or scold them
@@r3ll282 There's no shame in letting kids look up to fictional characters. Although if I was a parent I would be a tad bit disappointed to know that my kid chose them rather than me.
Japan won't bend to America but America is more then willing to for China.
It doesn't mean that (some of) the manga that arrive in North America won't be censored, in some way. **facepalms**
@@ChainsawGenie Most fans don’t read official release. They read scans with fan translation.
Wait official chainsawman english release is censored?
@@ChainsawGenie I mean, they did that A LOT in the past.
Few people know that Super Mario's Yoshi is gay.
Ike, from the Fire Emblem series, being gay was also completely censored in the localized version. Let's not forget shows like Sailor Moon too.
But NOW the US wants to demand Japan change their content to be more "woke". Hypocrites...
@@shinobu3617 They're just good cousins
Something similar to this got my Twitter account deleted for harassment.
A comic book writer touted manga sales and said "and they say comics are dying"
I simply asked "do you sell manga?"
hahaha! asking valid questions is harassment? xD
good thing i'm not on twitter, i would be banned all the time^^
Twitter is a woke shithole. I deleted my account many years ago, even before SJW's took over
Is it that bad on twitter? XD sounds like you could get banned by doing nothing, like literally.
They like to say, "A rising tide raises all ships."
I would like to respond, "So you admit you're letting other publishers do all the work so you can get dragged along behind them."
Yes, it IS that bad on Twitter.
It is populated by the worst human beings in the western world. They are truly hateful, bigoted, cold hearted, entitled, resentful lunatics who seem to try to one up one another at being horrible to others.
Twitter is a cesspool.
American comics CAN imagine the Demon Slayer success.
It's just the MODERN American comics can't do it.
Maybe they will "reimagine" popular manga with "gender-race- and sexual interest" swap
@@sn5301679 the Japanese would be pissed if that happened
@@sn5301679 that needs to stop.
@@derrickcrawford1081 No, they would be LIVID.
@@sn5301679 You mean like Hollywood's live action movies based on different anime properties, examples being the american Death Note movie, and the planned Your Name movie, but in comic form?
Bet there are comic writers that didn't even know a book could sell that much
I mean really makes sense considering that most people in the comic book industry are poor as dirt
@@derrickcrawford1081 basically
Yeah DC's nevvvveeerrrr had a story with that much
I mean 82 million in a year is an insane number, no comic book author could ever imagine such a number wether it is American, Japanese or European
It’s so foreign to them, that they will find someway to try and take credit for it and think no one will notice.
The key words are "admire" and "role model".
The parade of uber-victims, simps, self-haters, and marysues that have been fouling the american comics not admirable, and everyone knows it.
Manga has them too but....within story they : grow up, change and try get better and who doesnt ...in manga karma is b....
Manga has always that old good MORAL / a lesson that can be derived from a story or experience/ in it, what western comics and animation has lost long time ago bc - "it might hurt young people " Young people know when they are belittled, they hate if they are treated like toddlers or brainless dolls, eh, adults hate it too. Also i agree that one writer/author/mangaka from start to end /even if it takes 10-20 years/ is bonus bc it keeps story and characters consistent and continuous. Comics has rarely long running story and if it has arks - there are dif. authors/writers/artists. Characters change sometimes too much and story often goes out of cannon or jumps around like rabbit - it is like not same thing anymore, makes you disappointed. aso aso aso
Author is a woman, yet Demon Slayer isn’t all girl power 😅 She focused on making great characters (men and women) and I applaud her storytelling talents! I enjoyed every chapter!
just her sense of humour with the blond character is a bit off... spreading it a little too thick there, he could be toned down a notch and still be funny...
@@fumomofumosarum5893 it's her first work so I'm not surprised it has some flaws
@@fumomofumosarum5893 well that blond character is a badass though
@@blitzmustang1588 its her first work and it already sold over 80 million copies damn
The author is actually has said they identify as non-binary
Looking at those numbers, I feel safe betting that Demon Slayer doesn't have a teenage, goth, gay, YA self-insert in the story.
I bet there is just look in doujin (fan comics) market.
I agree. Who knew having charming, funny, likable teenagers in Demon Slayers would be a winning combination?
And they have Michael Jackson as the main villain, don't forget that
Yeah, your right.
Muzan can shapeshift into a man or a woman. But it's not something in your face gay.
My problem with American comics is there is no consistent story, "i want to read batman, where do i start?" well there are like a billion different series and none of them matter because little to non of them move the story in any meaningful way, "What Alfred is killed by the joker!?" then why is he alive in the next series again? why should i get invested if actions and choices the characters make from one story to the next mean nothing why should i care?
"I want to read Demon Slayer where do i start?" Well you pick up volume one and then read it all the way the to current volume, My feeling is that Manga is kicking the crap out of American comics because of consistent story and character development, if a character dies they are dead (unless there is some form of resurrection magic,) and actually have an impact on the story or if a major event happens it has an effect on the entire story moving forwards, good examples of this are The Marineford Arc in One Piece or the end of The Golden Age Arc in Berserk they changed their world forever and had impact on the entire world and its characters, its wasn't just washed away in the next series run like it never happened like (most) American comics.
That's not really a problem for me as fate series also share characters but have alternate story for example fate/stay night is different fate/grand order but have same character in it.
Somewhat feel the same as you. I had an interest on comics when I was younger because my dad liked them too, but I had not a single idea where to start, so I gradually lost interest in them. Wherein manga is pretty straightforward in my opinion.
@@chem9773 Thats because its based off a visual novel
Yeah this is probably the biggest reason why I never really cultivated an interest in American comics. I tried but there are so many alternate storylines like where do you even go to read them?! Where do you even start?! I like my stories straightforward without half a million alternate storylines.
Not to forgett: "Oh, you want to read this new story of the x-men? Because, it is a reboot?
Than, you need dto read this serie. And this serie. And this serie. When why are on the way, here is one more comic for the whole story. And dont forgett. each of this comics are connected. And you need to read all chapters of each of this comics, to follow the whole story."
"Wait. Why are they living on a island, and not in a school? Why, are they now a dump, religious like cult? Why are villian and x-men together? I dont understand anything of this. That are not the X-men, i loved."
"Oh, i forgotte. You need to read other comics, to understand, how they came in this situation. But i dont know wich comics that was."
"Didnt you sayed, it is a reboot? Like, sailormoon crystal to old school sailor moon?"
That is, what i feeled, when i tried to read the new X-men comics.
I heared, that they would be make new (or something in this way). But, i dont understand, how it came to this point in the story.
Japan really values hard work and perseverance. The fact that Tanjirou EARNS all of his skills and techniques, and he values his family to put himself in danger make him extremely appealing to a Japanese audience.
Its a story of selflessness, development, tragedy and overall doing good in the face of evil in the world, it speaks to the kids who want to be good people and adults who remember the heroes of the past
yes
Manga: bigger bustline!
Comics: wider waistline!
Also manga: balanced as it is. Some have it in the right places.
If you want both go read or watch H manga or anime.
You know manga is just a different style of comic books?
Good one!🤭🤭🤭
This thinking is why the U.S. comics are dieing..and Manga is growing in leaps and bounds
Yeah
Cuz anime tells good stories. Modern cartons are woke activism with no real solution to the problem they present
@@hodzal5258 No it's because Americans don't buy comics very simple, comics are written almost always better then manga.
@@lordwubbs9113 That doesn't make much sense. If American's aren't buying comics, why would they buy manga? Comics and manga are almost entirely identical in format. And, it's a pretty hefty claim to say that comics are "almost always" written better than manga. I think both industries have good stories to offer, even today, but, sadly, the larger names at the forefront of the comicbook industry look to be giving the western market a bad name.
@@Ice-mg5pr Americans aren't buying much manga either, manga is selling about as much as dogman/smile comics here. Along with this Comics and Manga are different seeing as manga relies on a lot less dialogue and anime has recently hit the mainstream. I say "almost always" because that is really the case, with DC/Marvels ongoing series they still are actually very intriguing and with Image Comics and Darkhorse bringing new titles and those indie scenes bringing new titles it's virtually one sided. The forefront of manga is sadly not that great, seeing as Shonen and Isekai dominate the medium. I like manga such as CSM, To your immortal, and record of ragnarok. But in general the medium doesn't focus on as in-depth storylines as comic lineups do. Also, I wouldn't say that the larger names are making the comic industry look bad per say. People often try to say the large companies are nothing but SJW nonsense, but there have been to my knowledge only 2 SJW comic's and they haven't/never came out.
Japan is 3 times less people roughly compared to Usa and its just shows how to comic in generally in japan sells much better
Isn't that mostly because of low birth rates in Japan?
That, and lack of space. Japan hasbroughlybsame population as Mexico with about 1/5 the area - that's crazy! Mex has about 1/3 population of USA but also about 1/3 area, both countries are sparsely populated outside main urban centers, Japan isn't like that
It's due to the fact no one in the US has a market for comics. Japanese are forcefeed anime/manga literally everywhere, but when's the last time you saw a commercial/billboard for a comic? Doubt you have.
@@lordwubbs9113 You have a point.
Hopefully Tanjuro inspires them to be a very defensive and caring sibling.
Now that would be something.
Yes's
Actually, “Tanjuro” is his dad’s name. Confusing, right? Lol
@@gamergurl3648 no one cares, the only good character is Muzan
@@papetogaming lol
Demon Slayer is also written by a woman! ♥️ Tanjiro is such a kind, hardworking, respectful, compassionate, loyal and wholesome protagonist - I’m glad kids are looking up to him!
They’ve forgotten what ambitious and quality storytelling looks like ages ago.
Namely pre 2010s. They can get over themselves and adapt or get left behind. That’s just the nature of cause and effect.
Man, there was such a big nosedive in the quality of comics around 2010, huh? I noticed it the most with webcomics too.
@@KeiosKod Yeah. When I compiled the patterns of current movies, animation, and comics I sensed in 2011 everything was going downhill from there. But even I couldn’t predict how ridiculously unstable they would become.
They keep forcing it thinking if they keep it up long enough it will be accepted as good eventually. Especially if they try to shame us into believing such. But if something by design doesn’t work it won’t work. Just common sense of cause and effect.
Seems the industry has to die out to be saved. Ironically stupid.
The thing about demon slayer. It in essence,has nothing special. Is just a good story,with good characters and good world. There is no new trick,no
reinvent the wheel. Just a good and fun story.
True, but the anime sold this series because of it's amazing animation.
Like when Tanjiro unlocked his fire breathing technique to save his sister. The author admitted to shedding a tear at how beautiful the scene was.
I disagree. The fights in Demon Slayer are incredibly high stakes. No senzu beans. You lose an arm an eye or a leg in a fight, you're done. It's thematically relevant to humans' resilience despite the risks of opposing evil. That's what I find wonderful
@@hihyou facts
There is special thing on demon slayer only few understands search it you will surely get it
@@hihyou Nah, there are absolutely no stakes because at the end of it all each of the characters dont stand on the same grounds. Just from being introduced to the characters you can conclude that, example oh look nezuko cant die because if she does the story would go way differently and the tones would shift, that wont happen. Oh zenitsu and inosuke also wont die because they are the side characters in the main group. That just leaves the pillars, and you can clearly see that they stand below all of these characters, very free to be killed. If you actually want an anime without any stakes, like actually well grounded fight and all, then it would have to be jojo's bizzare adventure or akame ga kill, and absolutely NOT demon slayer. There are no stakes, because you already know who can or cannot die
Manga has a very different editorial system to Comics. It's one where strong titles survive and weaker ones are cancelled for new titles every week. It's always moving forward, always different. Sometimes there's a roll of stinkers. But when it HITS it HITS !
Growing up one of the favorite thing about anime was the strong badass female character leads, my second favorite thing was those same female leads had scenes where they ran around half naked.
Erza in a nutshell
I hated the "badass" female characters in Anime, it was all about the guys like Vegeta, Spike Spiegal, Lupin, and Vash the Stampede.
You're lucky, I've grown in era where heroines are nothing but a damsel in distress/canon fodder for our stoic, op main character. It's a good thing that anime industry already moved on from that.
Seriously badass female characters in anime doesnt exist too much. Manga female characters is another thing though.
Bubblegum Crisis, Slayers.
Most good stories from Japan, the main characters have to go through hell of a training and a rocky road to become the hero. There are some exceptions yes, but most popular stories there usually don't have a mary sue or a gary stu lead.
And even when they do, they still tend to have other redeeming factors that may appeal to a certain type of reader.
Japan is now doing American comics better, the new Shonen Jump _Deadpool: Samurai_ manga is pretty funny. I know it's not going to get as R-rated as the Deadpool movies since it's in a magazine aimed at tweens and young teens but it looks like it'll have a lot of fun with shounen manga tropes.
just because a manga isn't rated as R it doesn't mean it's kid friendly. have you read/watched Demon Slayer? it's a shonen aimed at kids and it's full on gore and violence. in the first episode of the anime several kids got killed. did you watch all the blood when Tanjiro returned to his home and found his family dead? that's not kid friendly and yet Demon Slayer is shonen.
@@SapiaNt0mata I meant R-rated more on the nudity side of things.
There's also the axed Spider-Man: Fake Red manga that absolutely nailed the essence of Spider-Man stories. I recommend any Spider-Man fans to read it.
@@tweetugwe1270 even that spiderman manga they had to shoe-horn in a lesbian. Which is why it failed.
@@rapidfire223 Facts thats also why "Im not starfire is failing"
"They have to work for it"
Look at Marvel Comics at their height of success compared to now.
Spider-Man - Struggled to pay rent, struggled to maintain relationships, struggled having a cold or being sick while fighting super villains
Hulk - Bruce struggled with his emotions and self doubt. Hulk was a metaphor for accepting a part of himself as well
Iron Man - Full blown alcoholic for a long time
Mr. Fantastic - Detached from people, struggles to relate because he gets so heavily focused on the work in front of him that he doesn't see what's around him
Thing - Dealing with what's physically happened to him
Johnny Storm's arrogance was often his problem
Marvel's biggest figures made famous under Stan Lee & Jack Kirby were defined by their weaknesses as much as their super powers. They had to work to overcome their shortcomings in most of their stories, or at least had their shortcomings as an ongoing struggle. They were their own enemy as much as their super villains were.
Now? Nah, everyone's just perfect and amazing and nothing's wrong with them.
That figure is probably more than all American comics combined have sold in the last 5 years.
When Eastern Manga is better than Western Comics ...
Always has been
Won't say always but yeah
Waaaaay better, the west isn't the best at everything
always has been
Seen from a purely objective standpoint; Demon Slayer is the umpteenth manga series featuring japanese people with katanas slaying demons.
And yet it still manages to outperform the most popular full-colour american superhero comic re-re-re-re-bake (now in extra bland "everyone is a hero because inclusivity" rainbow flavour) because?
Answer: Japanese authors are actually GOOD at their job.
You can practically hear the companies here seething over those numbers.
And to think....it's actually written by a woman. A shame that actually talented women in the west aren't allowed to write the stories they want and are forced to hamfist political messages that tell their core audience that they are trash.
Not to mention the talented women artists whom don't get a shot because they don't think the way they should.
they are in Denial...
Stage 1: Shock. ...
Stage 2: Denial. ...
Stage 3: Anger. ...
Stage 4: Bargaining. ...
Stage 5: Depression. ...
Stage 6: Testing. ...
Stage 7: Acceptance...
Most of the woke crowd are in an infinite loop between stage 2 and 3.
Difference between Japan and US comics industries:
• Japan respects the medium and fans
• They prioritize story and characters over bio blips
No not really. Japan does better because they spend more on the comics, Japan doesn't give a shit about the medium. They literally recycle the same storytelling formula for almost a century. I mean the Isekai genre is a perfect example of this, along with ShonenJump magazine promoting sameness.
@@lordwubbs9113 *Looking at the absolute state of the American comics industry* Are we really one to talk of being derivative and banal?
@@kokujin8 Dracula Motherf--ker, A Gift for a Ghost, Venom, Killadelphia. All very different and unique, but when you compare that with 2020 manga you notice it's a lot of the same. Isekai, Shonen, and love stories. And they aren't even inventive to the genre. Such as demon slayer literally being the most basic shonen. You also said Japan respects the medium even thought Japan doesn't care at all, they overwork their mangakas to create literal carbon copies of what sells.
@@lordwubbs9113 when you say most basic shonen, Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece comes to mind and when I compare that to DS, sure there are some similarities but their differences are very clear -- Tanjiro isnt your usual happy go lucky/power of friendship type of shonen main character rather what we see is a family man, logical thinker, kind, yet justful which is very unique to see in shonen; power scalings are a lot more balanced, and plot points arent as dragged out and filled with too many fillers.
@@izs6946 Demon slayer is hella generic imo. Tanjoro has literally know interesting morals or personality traits.
In Japan, artist/writer gets more work for being talented and bringing in multimillion yen sales.
In America, artist/writer gets more work for ticking checkboxes while losing the company multimillions of dollars.
DO YOU SEE WHERE THE PROBLEM IS!?
Yen and USD are different, and have you seriously ever read a comic book?
@@lordwubbs9113 dude no one wants to start a argument please don’t
@@Demonicidiot I'm not starting an argument I'm pointing out the flaws in his statement. Before criticizing a medium at least experience it first.
Yeah but overworking of employees is a serious problem there
You don't need to include Demon Slayer for manga to make comics irrelevant. The fact that manga in general sells in the millions was all I need to know how much comics suck.
Even obscure ones has many readers.
Superman and Batman still outsell all of manga. And the most sold for a single issue also goes to a comic.
@@lordwubbs9113 If you mean lifetime sales and or a single issue, yes, Batman and Superman are huge compared to any single title from manga. Batman and Superman also have no definitive end to their runs, while manga does. However, this is not about lifetime sales. This is about two industries as a whole this year, or even the past couple of years. Manga is thriving while comics are sinking. You can take the sales of Demon Slayer off, and manga will still thrive, that's how healthy manga is compared to comics. Basically, mainstream comics forgot how to be successful like in the past.
There's a manga right now that's only been publishing for 20 weeks and already sold 400+ thousand. Is that big even by manga standards? Yes, but not the biggest like demon slayer. Just want to show the gap
@@Amaling And that manga is?? Well I'll tell you, none. Demon Slayer is only at 123 million, that 'gap' doesn't exist.
To correct Clownfish, you said it's like going head to head with a dumptruck..
Nope,it's a clown car going head to head with a gold stack transport truck thats heading to fort knox under maximum security.
Manga as a cultural phenomenon is completely different in Japan to begin with. It's a cultural thing, it's sold in weekly anthology books that are read like the newspaper on the street, it's not just for nerds but read by regular people.
exactly right! its beyond nerd/otaku/geek culture. it is literally part of japan's culture. its not something that just happens a few years ago.
Tanjiro beheading demons is hype, whereas western comics keep killing off and replacing beloved chatacters.
And forgives, empathize, and sympathize the demons he killed. While in comics... ORANGE MAN BAD.
@@cheeseburgersuperior1874 And smash the patriarchy!
@@ralphr2711 yeah... How's their sales? Lol.
"Will MANGA Overtake COMIC BOOKS in the U.S. Comics Industry"
posted by clownfish a year ago. it was inevitable. xD
Manga already won even before he posted. If you count people reading scans, then manga already took over around 5 years ago.
@@dsan17 western comics will cry out "save us!" and the weebs will lean in and whisper "no." xD
@@thegeneralmitch the ignorant weebs* , there are still some goor comic stories outside of marvel and dc out there.
@@papetogaming indeed there are but overtaking manga sales? Pure fantasy at this point until story becomes the main focus again rather that political virtue signalling.
@@thegeneralmitch that's not the problem. The fact that people are ignorant in what I just typed in, just proves how sad it is. They think comics are getting lower sales through sjw generally. Which is untrue. Ignorance is a bliss. May the end give them torture of reality.
Here in Brazil, the Demon Slayer manga is being published by Panini in March of this year and are enjoying it a lot
caramba um BR aqui
It just goes to show: Good storytelling over bad/agenda/no story wins out every time.
That’s a pretty hard concept to understand to some people....
@@AdventureMan07 Definitely.
US comic writers: But.....but........we’re changing the world! RACISTS!!!
Let's all join the new movement. Go spider make their wallets lighter. Cancel Spider-man!
I think you deserve a comic book run way more than that spider freak 😂 hell might even save the industry sir.
@@andyf3269 or my son. The hero astronaut
Spider-Man = Ruiner of sanity and rationality
Bruh
Not in comic sales but wouldn't Spiderman out sell demon slayer in total property earnings
Comics can't even imagine the succes of ALL the manga industry. At all!
@@shadowspider9
Yeah, comicbooks used to be hot back then. But that was about all people had. We would have probably had even more diversity of genres and markets. And more people would get more entertainment to enjoy, and even get a lot more people into reading comics. But this companies and activistist just love to own and control everything. And they don't let competitors get recognised. Most people who were fans of the movies and games did not care or ever read a comic in their lives. They just liked to see their favorite superhero on screen that they had engraved in their head after seeing them so many times for years in on tv. And I for ones wish there was more competition.
@@shadowspider9
There was a story some comic book fans told me, about how comic books used to be a lot like you see them in shonen jump. But there was something that happened that ended all of that. About a company who was known as the killer of comics and mothers who were bitching about sertain comics having sertain material that they did not want their kids to see. So they resorted to just selling super hero comic books, because they were the safest thing they could sell. I just don't remember the full story, I just know that it happened and it got me really mad.
Not to mention they can reach sucess in the millions with titles not just relegated to super hero stories and action.
@@shadowspider9
And THAT shit right there is why I was so mad about that story. So many franchises, genres, competition, all gone. It pisses me off how much it crippled the entertainment industry to this day. Is just not fair.
@@shadowspider9
And I get the joy and creativity of the superhero comics. But at this point there are just so many reruns, reboots, prequels, sequels, spin offs, etc. that people feel way to intimidated/discouraged to even care about reading them. They have many comics of hudreds of individual universes (marvel or DC) with their own stories. Most of them get canseled or never get continued. Every character has pretty much make out with each other. The stories have lost all meaning and literaly nothing matters at this point. Choises, consecuenses, who cares? It doesn't matter, and they are moving further and further away of what made all this characters important and unique. We are in a serious need of more and new entertainment. Not for originality, but because people seriously needs it.
With manga you can tell the amount of love and effort in the writing/art.
American comic books focuses on representation and diversity, tanks big time.
Japanese manga focuses on good storytelling and great characters, gets massive success.
American comic books: Surprise Pikachu face
More Japanese people read then Americans simple. Story wise comics out-do manga 10 fold, manga are just easier since they really only consist of 6th grade vocabulary and have minimalistic dialogue and focus of SFX.
@@lordwubbs9113 so why do manga perform better in the west then western comics on there own home turf
@@lordwubbs9113 Ever watched Death note, Attack on Titan, Promises Neverland, Stien's Gate
@@lordwubbs9113 you’re hard standing for comics. Back down, you’ve lost already it’s okay lol.
@@lordwubbs9113 You have obviously not seen a lot of manga. But another reason why manga tries to keep text to a minimum is because, "show don't tell". Light novels are for heavy reading.
6th grade vocabulary? Of course it is because you want your story to be accessible to more readers. There is no point in throwing big words around if it adds nothing to the story or characters.
"The prepubescent male drew up his zygomaticus major to create a form on his face depicting a reaction of pleasant acceptance"
Or, "The boy smiled".
Which one would sound better in a comic/manga format?
You are under the assumption that just because something sounds complicated, that it is better. That is not necessarily good story-telling. You need to look at the application of language and the intended purpose it is trying to get across to the reader.
A final consideration is that translators will generally tone down dialogue and explain japanese terms for the english reader.
Modern Comics: Wait. HOW IN THE HELL is this more successful than my self insert social justice story where my character fights white oppressors and saves minorities from themselves?
Audience: Because their story isn't some self insert social justice story where they fight white oppressors and save minorities from themselves.
Let's be honest, the Japanese authors know what their customers want (great story, without the SJW messages), and the sale numbers show this. This explains why there's more manga on my shelves than comics.
When the Japanese adapt a manga, we get great movies, Ghost in the Shell is a perfect example. When the yanks adapt a comic, we get complete and utter crap, Preacher is an example of this (I was able to watch 4 minutes of Preacher, about 1 and half scenes, before swearing I'd never watch comic adaptations again).
Comics can't imagine anything these days because comic writers lack imagination
Don't forget Talent
It is not hard to understand why Demon Slayer sells so well: It tells a story worth to be told, while modern American artists focus more on their personal agendas. Demon Slayer also has real characters, while modern American artists rather put self-insert characters in their comics. The characters in Demon Slayer also have flaws and are layered, while American comic book characters are written as perfect and flawless so that they can not offend anyone, and lastly, Demon Slayer is drawn really good, while most modern American comic books are drawn as cheap Steven Universe-look-a-like-Tumblr-characters.
American entertainment is doomed. And I'm not surprised by this at all. Young American artists can't create original stuff anymore because they are not allowed to form their own personalities and tastes, since social media and society dictates what they can and can't like. If you really want to become an artist, you really must form your own self as an individual. The second issue is also, that young American artists can't get inspired by modern art anymore, because everything looks now the same. Everyone just wants to create a show or comic that is like Steven Universe now. And if you just take this one show as an inspiration, you will never create something that will stick out. When I was younger I took inspiration from so many different cartoons, comic books, mangas, animes, webcomics, movies, books, posters, music, and even outdoor activities.
This is my recommendation to all young American artists out there: Form your own characters and taste, read many books about art and storytelling, take online lessons, and please, for the love of God, stop using Steven Universe as your only inspiration. Trust me, if you take inspiration from many different sources, your art is likely to end up as good, and something really special.
Facts
Read Dracula Motherf--ker or saga, the reason demon slayer is selling so well is because the absolute insane amounts of money is put into advertising and how Japanese citizens are basically force-fed manga.
The crazy thing is that a lot of manga fans don't even think Demon Slayer is that good. I've seen better art, characters, and storytelling. But yeah Demon Slayer is pretty much the standard for a lowest common denominator mega-hit, and still tops western comics in quality
@@Amaling It doesn't? X-Men #1 isn't even that good in to most people but it still owns the record for most single issue sells. 90% of comics are written better then 90% of manga.
@@lordwubbs9113 wrong, the fact you have to comment multiple times to defend your beloved American comics just makes you sad really. Cant accept reality. Deal with it, manga is better, and I've read a lot of comics too.
Them : Demon Slayer surpasses 100 million copies
Me: Will Boruto kill Naruto!?
Will he?
There's also the problem that animation and comics are seen as childish entertainment in most of the US.
Not defending the comic industry at all, they're topsy turvy, but there's still a cultural difference when it comes to media.
If the best selling batman book was being made by a manga company with its sales...it wouldnt last 2 weeks
@Honey Bee yes thats the point its good but as kneon said its not champagne popping good for manga standards especially if they are expected to keep it up with every issue(not just volume)
Batman outsold OP
@@doraeguyakaneddie6586 not sure about batman but there is a spiderman manga seen it ariund but never interested me
RIGHT?! Tanjirou is the best roll model of all shounen protagonists. He loves and cares for his family and friends, works incredibly hard, is smart, kind hearted, and is willing to forgive even the worse of monsters. Plus he isn’t dumb enough to think his friends and colleagues actions are fine, and does put up with their crap.
That nigga ain't have no flaws that's scary good
The problem with American comics isn’t SJW’s, though they certainly aren’t helping.
No, American comics were screwed when they decided to pigeonhole ENTIRELY within the superhero genre, and within that genre is massively dominated by just two companies. The equivalent would be like if the manga industry consisted almost entirely of reboots and spin-offs of One Piece, Dragon Ball and Naruto. If you don’t like shonen, there’s lots of other manga out there for you to read. If you don’t like superheroes, American comics have nothing to offer you.
i 100% agree, demon slayer is one of my all time favs american comics are just trash compaired to manga like demon slayer
Heroic Nanashi pyo yo yo chill man, not all American comics are not trash, but the new ones are
@@enjoe3837 exactly... I used to love american comics as an asian and now the new ones are just straight up trash....
Read Dracule Motherf--ker, Saga, Preacher, Y the lastman. Manga doesn't compare to Comics, but they have a larger audience.
@@lordwubbs9113 WHO C A R E S
@@Demonicidiot You seem too, you reply to every one of my comments. I'm pointing out the flaws and you just can't handle that.
Diversity for the sake of diversity is inherently ignorant and hypocritical. If we shouldn't "judge" people's skin color, race, and gender. Than why are people "judging" whether a group of characters have those qualities?
Left-wing sjw woke comics will always have crappy sells vs ""Entertaining"" Manga
Can we go back pre-2010? Post 2010’s are a joke. 2020 isn’t helping neither.
Demon Slayers success in my opinion came down to a single episode (19)
I remember seeing it trend on twitter and decided to check out the anime/manga afterwards.
After re watching it years later, I still got goosebumps. The scene is just too good with how the music, story, animation all comes together.
Pretty crazy to think how much it's blown up since.
Demon slayer movie and season 2 will absolutely going to be amazing and incredible too
Murican comic publishers: "But, but, it's neither woke, political or has a Mary Sue MC, how can people like it?"
I remember reading a story about a young man who kidnapped a little girl from a mall in Japan, he stuffed her in a large backpack and then just walked out, they found her body under a small bridge from what I remember :(
Even though i'm not Japanese, i'm Latina, one day, i aim to draw my own manga, i already have an anime style, i wish to tell stories that people will enjoy. 😊
Also, they better leave Nezuko alone, she shall be protected.
When you do please come back to this post and tell me what the name is so I can binge! 😁😁😁
@@ashleighvanheerden4758 If i remember lol
Good luck!
cool, sadly nezuko sucks
Do your best!
It’s called having “a good story with likable characters”
Truth
You haven't read any comics?
@@lordwubbs9113 I have read dog man,only comic I have read other than that no but this comment isn’t directed at me,but I’d like to say that atleast from what I know manga has a consistent story comics don’t i prefer consistent story’s but as long as you respect my opinion and other’s opinions I don’t give a damn
@@Demonicidiot You do see the problem in this statement correct?
So refreshing listening to what normal people have to say. Good on you Clownfish TV. There is hope yet.
Japan: we have great stories.
wokAmerica: how can we ruin them?
Mangaka’s have one of the most stressful jobs out there. They need to come up with a storyline, draw, edit and publish every week. If they don’t meet deadlines, they get fired. What’s even more surprising is they usually have only 3-5 people working on one title. It’s crazy.
Solid story, great characters, great designs, good narration and progression, no Mary sues, no fans bashing or lecturing, no social justice... So you're telling me that this manga is killing it everywhere??? Your right, this is unthinkable!
I just started watching the first season of Demon Slayer. Has anyone else noticed how the demon Muzan Kibutsuji looks like Michael Jackson from the movie “The Moonwalker”?
Some of the comic companies probably want to sue the people who worked on Demon Slayer so badly due to their jealousy.
In Japan, a 30 minutes episode 1 of a slice of life/sitcom anime can make you cry like you are watching the ending of a romcom TV series, they only need 1 episode to build charcters and make you cry by the end! No need multiple episodes, and it's a sitcom! Yet it felt like a romcom eding by the end. Who knew a *comedy character can have depth* and can *make us genuenely cry even thos it's first episode.* Wanna know what anine it is? This Art Club Has A Problem.
People like cool characters, people like good stories! How is this hard to understand?
I think the problem with "diversity" in western media is that it's just badly done. Creators put in "diverse" characters for brownie points and don't write them as proper characters. Part of that I think it's relatively new and we haven't got the hang of it yet.
So of course complex layered characters are more beloved than flat caricatures no matter the diversity.
Kneon: Hopefully kids don't start putting their sisters in backpacks.
Me *An Intellectual* : But what if it's Stepsisters?
They think that is all it takes, slap an anime paint job on an ip, because they are so caught up in identity politics they can't see anything past the superficial level of what they can see. How many check marks can i count up? My last book had 3, this one has 7. It has to be better, right? RIGHT!!!
Original, creative, fun.....nope, they could never imagine that! 😂
Da fuq? The highest selling comic in the US is called "Dog man"!? What? I've never even heard of that.
Wait you’re telling me, that if you make good stories stop changing the characters actual give most of the fans what they want and they become successful!! Wow you’re kidding me! Who would’ve thought...Oh wait people with common senses!!
It recently ended with 23 volumes. Some manga readers in Japan wait for conclusion and then binge read. When a title catches buzz in media, everybody binge buys. Years ago, when a famous comedian/talk show host mentioned he reads One Piece, it just exploded.
Can't imagine eh? Are they admitting they're lacking in imagination then?
Eitherway they better get their grubby hands away from manga and anime. They have done enough to destroy Western comics.
Dracula Motherf--ker, A Gift for a Ghost, Venom, Killadelphia.
Don't put manga and anime in the same sentence lol. Manga is better than boring ass anime counterparts hahaha, except for theme songs.
@@papetogaming They literally go hand in hand... and for most cases are better. For example AOT anime is far better then the manga.
@@lordwubbs9113 -normie
@@papetogaming cool, Anime > Manga.
Even an adult mundane series can be quite enjoyable and popular. A good example is Wotakoi.
Yup lol, average manga is better than the best of modern comics
Prob with dc n marvel, they have too much writers in every damn characters and keep changing every new editor ☹️ unlike in manga one writer or writer and artist at the same time and FINISH the story.
The closest that ended well was Dark Horse Hellboy.
Manga is so willing to try literally ANYTHING. Any one story has a major chance to succeed as long as it's well written and get's the proper exposure. A horror action story about a kid who eats demon fingers and kills curses? Sure. What about a love story between a beautiful highschool student and her goofy massive boyfriend? Yup. What about just three girls hanging out in a weird highschool? Why not!? Magical girls.....duh.
Funnily enough another series has trends similar to what demon slayer had, its looking like Japan has found what the current audience wants to see. Unlike the west that continues to ignore their audiences.
Demon Slayer solves the incredible riddle:
You have a great male character....AND great female character.
Woah
Geeky: "That's like going head to head with a dump truck."
Me: *thump*
Wife walks in and sees me rolling on the floor laughing.
Wife: "Um.... are you okay?"
Wife walks out, shaking her head, when I can't catch my breath to answer.
13:50 to be fair the gag is "consensual", the box is her "safespace" against sunlight and the hipnosys ended up not working (her mind was already free of the demon king control)
Folks, this is the difference between a society that still encourages reading, and one that does not. Cripes, this is something covered in 'Understanding Comics' better part of a couple decades ago.
America hasn't had a single cartoon or TV show to compare against Japanese anime since the original teen Titans the Justice league and the one Justice league where it focuses on their children
I can't wait for Mugen Train to come out here.
By the way thank you. 😊 For real, you two are awesome for being truthful and honest.
even the worse story in Animatrix is leagues better than either sequel