The hunting industry will never be the same the internet, sponsors fame celluar camera ect has ruined it wish i could travel back in time before all of that the internet makes everyone think they're "pros"
Honestly it started with tv and all the "stars" selling their VHS hunts. But yes it's really gone downhill pretty quickly, I remember hunting in the 90s and farmers stopping us at gas stations asking us to come hunt their property, now getting permission or even just keeping permission is like pulling teeth. It's sad to see a tradition that I grew up doing to put food on the table has gone to everybody just wasting all for a picture.
I wouldn’t post anything big even if you did everything exactly by the law, anytime a 200” is taken the Feds always get involved always the DNR needs there power revoked and should have zero power on private property unless there’s evidence of legit poaching has taken place, but you kill anything good everyone bitches and says he poached it blah blah blah the less people know about you the better now with that being said if this guy did poach it then the Law should carry out justice, thankfully in America we have constitutional provisions assuring we are innocent till proven guilty not the other way around so with that being said the burden to prove guilt is now upon the state so bring the evidence prove your case and a trial by your peers and it’s up to your peers to decide guilt or innocence
@@stihl_joking570 I just don't get any of that. Do you understand that without DNR there would be nothing to hunt? Game laws are the reason we have any deer at all. And you don't own the game on your land. The land is yours. The game is OURS. Yours and mine and everybody else's. These "laws," are agreements between ALL OF US as to how to manage OUR resources. I don't mind the wardens checking out my place. And if I do kill a big one, I'll post pics everywhere. Because I won't have to worry about it. Unlike you, from the sounds of it.
You're right but add to that list required written permission. 98% will never give anyone written permission. Be rich or don't hunt. And never hunt a deer that a cop or a d a is after.
Deer hunters are the most jealous pack of hypocrites that ever walked the planet, I have known hundreds of them throughout my 65 years and have never known a single one that hasn't done something to "beat the odds" a little. But oh how they snivel and whine when someone else drops a big buck they wish they had downed. If you have ever hunted that extra 2 minutes after legal shooting hours or maybe started hunting 5 minutes before legal shooting time, removed the plug out of your duck gun, kept a fish that was just about legal length or hid a couple under the car seat on the drive home then you are no better or different than the guy in this story. And to those who will swear they have never done a single thing wrong / illegal I have but one word....... LIAR! There seems to be a lot of people casting stones that would be much further ahead looking in the mirror and questioning their own actions.
Wish I could hit the like button another few thousand times, for those who may have forgotten on the way out... I've watched many other videos about this, but this is the one I've been waiting for. Nicely presented👍
You have done a great job on the entire layout of the case thank you. We have done a couple podcast on this it is hard to find some of the info! Thanks for taking the time man again great job.
You absolutely killed this video !! You definitely put it out there like no one else. Hope to see a follow up on this after his court case ! Keep up the great work!
i was up in the air, as to his guilt or innocence. mostly, based off the fact an DA was using his influence to go after him. but i had never seen any maps showing the areas or anything. the moment you brought up the maps, and showed all the properties and locations, i instantly decided he's 100% guilty. it's mind-boggling that he is so stupid, yet thinks he was so smart.
Ok I know this is way after the fact but when this whole deal first surfaced, with the first pic of him holding this deer, I looked at the obvious "smirk" on his face and that alone told me he was hiding something! Then in a podcast interview with him(I don't recall whose podcast) he had a lot of telling body language going on that the average viewer might not catch. Plus all the inconsistencies in his story, all pointed to him not being truthful!!
A lot of people were just against the other guy because he happened to be a D.A. Like that makes any difference. Could have been you or me just as easy. Probably HAS been you AND me. I know it's happened to me. A big 10 point that I know in my heart was poached. But without being able to prove it, you're just "jealous," if you say anything. It happens way more than people want to admit.
When you showed on the map, how close C.J's apartment was to where The deer was allegedly shot versus where the sister's property is......... that did it for me
@@HuntSuburbia From his apartment on south ridge off 68 to the landfill or lt land development probably a 5 min drive . Maybe less than 5 miles from where he lives to where he killed it
@@craigholland2274 oh yes, sorry I was thinking between his sisters and the Landrum land. From his apartment to the Landrum land it is 1.12 miles as the crow flies.
CJ & his entire circle he runs with have an established reputation of trespassing, spot lighting, stealing stands & cameras. They’re main claim to fame around there is they trespass onto County owned & Municipal owned properties that do not allow hunting. It’s just really hard knowing his established reputation to believe he could be innocent. Its not a surprise at all he was charged with these crimes, plus he was obsessed with becoming famous in the hunting community & making a name for himself.
This dude is absolutely a poacher!! You just showed that multiple times over multiple years he was hunting these properties!! What a shame for such a world class whitetail!!
How many bucks get killed on the highway every year social media has people so jealous when someone kills a big buck everyone thinks they own the deer because trail cam pics
@@hdelano11 yea the whole thing sounded fishy to me!! For starters why leave your phone at home?? If something happens and you get hurt you’re absolutely screwed!! I always have my phone just in case!!
@@tommymyers3183exactly and if you do accidentally forget it you go right back and get it not brush it off for the next 8 hours and go “sit in a tree stand”. Dudes got the lying skills of Jussie Smollett. And he’s gonna end up just like him. In fucking jail. 😭
He's been indicted with a 23 charges, including spot-lighting to kill the deer. Moved it to his sister's house. She's charged, and several of his buddies. He's a dirt bag.
Hey Pat, killer coverage man. I was wondering where you’ve been. I haven’t seen any new podcasts or videos really but now we can see you’ve been busy as detective. Awesome work bud keep it up.
Thanks man! I have been so busy with Huntstock that the podcast has taken a bit of a backseat but I'll be back doing them fulltime when I can hire some help for Huntstock!
Great job breaking this down. I will say C.J. had me fooled, he is very convincing in his interviews. It is sad that this happens, I was really hoping he didn't poach that buck. He will have his day in court and if he is found guilty, he should get the maximum penalty.
I feel the same way. innocent until proven guilty. I would say if guilty he needs a harsh sentence for fraud and lies told on top of the illegal hunting practice.
You do know tho that bucks travel upwards of 7 miles or so during the rut. I’ve had something happen where I was watching a buck out the window and my uncle shot that buck 4 hours later about 3 miles down the road. The buck crossed a 4 lane highway. Went through a parking lot walked through 4 yards and went through a cherry orchard and got shot under an apple tree feeding on winter wheat. At 4:30 in the afternoon.
Great video…I grew up outside of Wilmington but I don’t know the cj dude personally. After that first podcast he went on and after some of my own digging, I knew the deer wasn’t takin legally. I hope Ohio makes an example, I can’t stand a poacher.
His sisters property actually looks like a prime spot. One of the best spots i got is 10 acres and borders some railroad tracks. It looks just like that. Also its not uncommon like people think for a deer to cover 10 miles and in a short period of time. Idk whether the guy is guilty or not and haven't really looked into this case so dont flip out on me. Im just saying that property actually looks good and ive seen the same bucks on trail cams that are miles apart in the same day or night. Circumstantial evidence shouldn't be enough to convict a person of any crime. And i also question the political sway the people accusing a person might have.
CJ said he didn’t see the buck fall yet it stayed on his sisters property? That is what is fishy to me. The property is mostly all open field and only 9 acres so if the buck truly did die on his sisters property, then CJ would’ve saw it die.
I agree with you that the sisters property itself doesn't look horrible. But to shoot the buck with bow and buck didn't leave the 9 acres, and they didn't recover until next day is suspicious. As far as bucks moving, just last year I shot a nice buck that was over 5 miles away all fall. Rut will make bucks move.
I'm not hating on this guy. I've seen the state get it wrong before. I know deer can go twenty miles a day no problem. When the does are hot it's game on. This guy will get his day in court, and I hope he is innocent. If he's not he will get the penalty the Judge gives him.
@@Dark30Outdoorsthe media is doing its job though... Negativity ALWAYS sells. Aka gets views. No one is really posting defending videos. I fully agree with the original comment innocent until proven guilty. I hope it's wrong and it's legit for the sake of his kid and woman. But if guilty then you get the book.
@@JonathanJones-m7d take that up with your loved ones not some person on the internet !!,🛜 you have people who care about you so why don’t you try rehab ? Quit expecting people to give you handouts or begging on the streets and go get a job and get your butt in rehab and quit being a little pervert junky
Best video I've watched on this sad story so far ..if cj's found guilty, they need to throw the book at him. The real crime is that the buck will never get the credit for being maybe the baddest buck ever... absolutely sickening
Dude makes me sick sitting with these folks lying and acting like he’s some big time deer hunter like he’s been one all his life when he knows squat about hunting. Great video, thanks for showing..
With all the laws CJ has broken it's highly unlikely he killed that buck legally. This happens all the time but a really big deer like this brings a lot more attention. A big buck was killed in my state many years ago and was on the cover of North American whitetail magazine and was killed in bow season. A friend of mine knows the guy and said he actually killed it with a shotgun. It's disgusting. It happens so often that when someone does it the right legal way there is still suspicion.
Do you live in the area? What have you heard as far as evidence they may have in terms of trail camera pictures of the buck in that area the day it was killed?
@@tajeaton I don’t have a link. I remember going to the Clinton County clerk of courts website and looking it up after May 20 to see what happened and I saw it was pushed back again.
Crazy thing is i get video tonight from cell cam and can see headlights in background of someone on driving down county road.. the very next vid i get u hear a gunshot about 12 seconds into it.. buck that was in front of cam looks exactly toward where that vehicle was heading so i know it was them that shot.. 9:54pm at night. People are ignorant.
Great overview! How many C.J.'s are out there that we don't know about! Subscribed, I hunt NY, NJ, & Maryland's eastern shore, film some of my hunts & posted on RUclips, looking forward to following you online!
What are the locals saying about this? Are there trailcam pictures of the buck from November 9th that will prove the buck was in the area and not the area of his sisters property? Were those properties surrounding the area being hunted by other hunters? Are there any trail cam photos that will come out in trial that capture CJ on foot on Nov 9 or Nov 10? Was he getting dropped off and picked up so that he was not parking nearby?
@@HuntSuburbia So the lt land is owned by Robbie Roberts which owns r&l trucking and robbers arena. They don't let anybody hunt there. I have not heard anything about actual trail camera. To my knowledge nobody has permission to hunt the landfill as it City owned or the LT land. I heard the same thing you did about them having a trailer camera picture of CJ but don't know anything factual now.
@@HuntSuburbia just barely south of the water treatment plant there's a bike path that runs back there that would give pretty good access to that off of Nelson
I hear you… and your line of logic has some greed in it too. And it really sucks as a new hunter to not be welcomed into a sport because all of you who have been hunting feel like all the deer that you’ve seen belong to you… just because you’re aware and have seen something many times, means it belongs to you. All it means is you have garnered a desire for it and thus somehow marked it, like a bear, as “your deer”. This attitude ruins the sport as much as poachers, congrats… your the other half of the problem
That was just part of his story. He wasn't hunting at his sisters anyway they took the deer there. I would say she had nothing to do with it. CJ and his buddies did all the dirty work. She is guilty of lying for him to try and cover it all up.
I am pretty sure she told the officers that she didn't sign the permission slip until November 13th. That's the only way CJ gets charged on that. So they were probably lenient on her for being truthful.
I hunt in my back yard in the city limits.There is a 750 acre timber company that covers 3 sides of my property.I don’t trophy hunt I’m a meat hunter.weather I’m bow hunting or pistol hunting I can kill 4 deer a year.But honestly I harvest 1 or 2 a year.So it is possible to harvest deer on very small parcels of land
@@benj3911 Thx I visited the Pacer website briefly. It looks like its .10 cents per page to view documents. I'll look into the website a little bit more.
Do they have direct evidence of the actual kill spot ? Not worried about distance bucks travel every year further than that when the rut starts. Plus big deer are everywhere over there and in town.
Thank you for breaking down all this information. I believe the jury should view your video for a recap of the case. I realize past incidents are not SUPPOSED to be used in a case but his past unlawful record of “poaching” incidents should be used as a character witness. POACHERS give hunters a bad name!! Great video
One thing i dont think people realize is, All 4 people being charged will be splitting the trophy fee on this buck.CJ wont pay this full fine himself unless he is man enough to do so for his sister and friends. The "Spread" will not be included due to the trophy fine being for "Inches" of antler not the score of the rack. Atleast thats how previous cases im familiar with, with multiple people and trophy bucks were handled.
As i said, in cases im very familiar with.. The spread isnt included. The fine is suppose to be "per inch of antler" and thats what ive seen implemented. But you know judges can discriminate how they want and when a prosecuter throws down numbers most judges wont know the differnce. Could go either way but ive never seen the spread included in the cases i witnessed.
Great job explaining this. I hate being stuck on Jury’s but man would I like to be on this Jury. Just so I could see the exact evidence. CJ keeps his story so straight podcast to podcast and if he is guilty that’ll be really disturbing. If he’s guilty then CJ needs to be a salesman because he could sell ice to an Eskimo.
Very good job with breaking this down, I have also been following this since I first heard of this poaching incident. We all have these types of outlaws in our area and seen how they operate, I knew CJ was one of them since I listened to his very first story of the hunt, we all know what it takes to get a decent Buck legally and from the moment CJ opened his mouth red flags were going up everywhere. I strongly believe he took that record buck at night time like he did the buck at the church and probably many more illegal bucks that have gone under the radar.
Nobody likes a poacher and justice should be served...BUT...this is the epitome of the problem we have in American justice as a whole. He didn't just poach a deer. He killed a RECORD buck that the DA (or their family) had personal interest in. Anger and jealousy in the house of power means he will be charged with 374.2 crimes. If he had poached a doe...nobody would have heard about this, and frankly nobody would probably care. Poaching occurs THOUSANDS of times a year in the Midwest and yet it's not mainstream news. He poached a record buck that the prosecution likely had personal interest in and its huge news. If this were a doe he'd probably lose his license (likely for a year on the first offense) and maybe get a fine. Maybe worse..but probably not. Poached a monster buck near the prosecutors family land and you'll get crucified.... Shouldn't poaching be poaching? The crime is the crime? Is he guilty...most likely. Does anyone want this dude to walk away free...no. Does he deserve to be completely crucified....no. The law shouldn't be more severe because the size of the buck...or the personal interests of a prosecution. The law should be the same for a doe...or a squirrel. You think anyone would be making this a show if he poached a squirrel? This stinks of the law being used to avenge jealousy...not just to govern a person's actions like it should be.
Interesting point, I do agree that poaching is poaching, and it’s strange how we value animals differently . But at the end of the day hunting is a sport and there is a dollar value related to large whitetail. If poaching is poaching and hunting is hunting then high fence properties wouldn’t charge 50k for a 300” deer… I don’t think it’s right to do that but that’s a reality. Same thing with cattle if you steal a regular old cow worth 5000, that’s the value of the crime, but what if you steal a prized bull or wagyu cow.
Very comprehensive coverage of this story! Great job! Sadly, had he never went on those podcasts he probably would’ve gotten away with it! The story having a lot of red flags is what brought on all the heavy scrutiny! Unbelievably stupid and narcissistic to think he could get away with it! Good thing is that a guilty verdict would get his 150 inch poached buck confiscated as well!
Hey I'm watching your podcast I'm watching you talk about this it wasn't a DA that was hunting the deer it was a game warden and he was out for blood he didn't know who killed it but when CJ popped up with it on a podcast the game warden was out for blood I do think there's a lot going on behind the scenes that we do not know
What property was the game warden hunting? If it is near the DA property / Landrum / LT Land Dev properties, there is no way CJ could have killed it legally. I would be out for blood too if I had one of the few legal access / permissions to hunt a deer like that and saw someone killed it who didn't have the access.
Best video I've seen so far about this farce you call a hunter and his silly adventures,I feel bad the deer had to die by his arrow,he's not even worthy to even be in the same company as those deer....Btw this is my wife's RUclips handle...
Excellent break down and will look forward to the legal process take it's course on this. Poaching is pretty wide spread here in New England - one just has to sit out of a Walmart in MA that sells deer corn to see who is baiting - pretty obvious. Would be interesting to hear from some Game Wardens here on cases they have broke.
$2,000 + $8,000 = $10,000…that 10k in cash/ marketing from the trophy dude? Anyways, he’s real guilty and should be held accountable, but does the AG need to make 5 million charges for the same offense? Seems like just throwing everything on the wall to see what sticks.
Crazy the location he was spotlighting, basically in the middle of a neighborhood, I mean I can atleast understand the principle of poaching or breaking the law. But I mean he had to know that would get caught right there, absolutely maddening place to commit a crime like that u could see from a long way, literally shining a beam of light nearly into peoples homes
To be clear, poaching is completely pathetic, I just can understand people do lots of pathetic things but that crime is just beyond hard to believe someone dumb enough to do that.
I live in Ohio. And have friends from that area. They knew it was poached as soon as the pictures were posted. If he had all those charges he is an idiot for thinking he would get away with it. As hunters we really need to reflect on what we are doing. Poachers give all hunters black eyes amongst all anti hunters. I’ve killed a couple of nice bucks but to me my sons first deer and my wife’s first deer are memories I cherish over any memories of any deer I’ve gotten. In closing I believe we need to stop giving him his five minutes of fame. He didn’t help us he hurt us.
Those are nice deer! My biggest one so far is a 7 pointer that measured 16 inches at it widest spot. Idk what it would’ve scored his G2’s were 11” and 11.25”.. I hunt in north east ga..
I know in my state they have a wall in the DNR office called the wall of shame i hope he gets what hes got coming to him if he guilty thats why we have court i gess .
No wonder Corey hasn’t gone on any of CJ’s podcasts. Either the 2 together are worried they can’t keep story straight, or Corey is like dude put it on your wall and shut up!
I think dude killed it not where he says. Also, the miles don’t matter so that needs to not be a factor imo. We have had bucks killed 8 and 4.2 miles 24 hours and less later from being on our cams by neighbors crossing a highway on one Case and a river on the other. I put weight on all factors but not traveled distances
All these ppl are full of shit i wish i was in court part of the defense with the known knowledge that i have period and about the traveling routes amd behavior of deer during rut and with added pressure . This was all bs that kid was so framed ........this kind of stuff is destroying the hunting traditions and industry
@@hoyt7710 its a 150 acres not big but big enough and if its bow only plus its a little ass town not everyones going to be hunting it most people turn their noses up to public land it be no different then hunting little tracks of public land all around the suburbs
@@warrengreen3217every bow hunter in the country will be after those genetics if they thought bucks like that were hangin in landfills. I think some hunters would follow a buck off a cliff.
@@americanagothic7851 genetics dont work like that if that buck knocked up a doe and she dont got the genetics then it might be only a 120 inch in his prime but his dad was 240 inches a deer gets hafe of its genetics from each parent and study show the females has more to do with big racks genetics than the males
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The hunting industry will never be the same the internet, sponsors fame celluar camera ect has ruined it wish i could travel back in time before all of that the internet makes everyone think they're "pros"
Honestly it started with tv and all the "stars" selling their VHS hunts. But yes it's really gone downhill pretty quickly, I remember hunting in the 90s and farmers stopping us at gas stations asking us to come hunt their property, now getting permission or even just keeping permission is like pulling teeth. It's sad to see a tradition that I grew up doing to put food on the table has gone to everybody just wasting all for a picture.
I wouldn’t post anything big even if you did everything exactly by the law, anytime a 200” is taken the Feds always get involved always the DNR needs there power revoked and should have zero power on private property unless there’s evidence of legit poaching has taken place, but you kill anything good everyone bitches and says he poached it blah blah blah the less people know about you the better now with that being said if this guy did poach it then the Law should carry out justice, thankfully in America we have constitutional provisions assuring we are innocent till proven guilty not the other way around so with that being said the burden to prove guilt is now upon the state so bring the evidence prove your case and a trial by your peers and it’s up to your peers to decide guilt or innocence
@@stihl_joking570 I just don't get any of that. Do you understand that without DNR there would be nothing to hunt? Game laws are the reason we have any deer at all. And you don't own the game on your land. The land is yours. The game is OURS. Yours and mine and everybody else's. These "laws," are agreements between ALL OF US as to how to manage OUR resources. I don't mind the wardens checking out my place. And if I do kill a big one, I'll post pics everywhere. Because I won't have to worry about it. Unlike you, from the sounds of it.
True fucking story its supposed to be fun...
You're right but add to that list required written permission. 98% will never give anyone written permission. Be rich or don't hunt. And never hunt a deer that a cop or a d a is after.
Deer hunters are the most jealous pack of hypocrites that ever walked the planet, I have known hundreds of them throughout my 65 years and have never known a single one that hasn't done something to "beat the odds" a little. But oh how they snivel and whine when someone else drops a big buck they wish they had downed. If you have ever hunted that extra 2 minutes after legal shooting hours or maybe started hunting 5 minutes before legal shooting time, removed the plug out of your duck gun, kept a fish that was just about legal length or hid a couple under the car seat on the drive home then you are no better or different than the guy in this story. And to those who will swear they have never done a single thing wrong / illegal I have but one word....... LIAR! There seems to be a lot of people casting stones that would be much further ahead looking in the mirror and questioning their own actions.
Wish I could hit the like button another few thousand times, for those who may have forgotten on the way out... I've watched many other videos about this, but this is the one I've been waiting for. Nicely presented👍
Thanks! I'll have a follow up soon as well! Stay tuned
@@HuntSuburbiawhere’s the follow up? Great job
@@josephroberts7199 the follow up cant happen until a deal is made or he goes to trial. if a deal is made we wont see any of the evidence.
Getting someones cellphone data because they are accused of shooting a deer on property without permission is scary
Yes it is and everyone is worried about the government knowing their business. But everyone has a phone these days
You have done a great job on the entire layout of the case thank you. We have done a couple podcast on this it is hard to find some of the info! Thanks for taking the time man again great job.
You absolutely killed this video !! You definitely put it out there like no one else. Hope to see a follow up on this after his court case ! Keep up the great work!
i was up in the air, as to his guilt or innocence. mostly, based off the fact an DA was using his influence to go after him. but i had never seen any maps showing the areas or anything. the moment you brought up the maps, and showed all the properties and locations, i instantly decided he's 100% guilty.
it's mind-boggling that he is so stupid, yet thinks he was so smart.
Ok I know this is way after the fact but when this whole deal first surfaced, with the first pic of him holding this deer, I looked at the obvious "smirk" on his face and that alone told me he was hiding something! Then in a podcast interview with him(I don't recall whose podcast) he had a lot of telling body language going on that the average viewer might not catch. Plus all the inconsistencies in his story, all pointed to him not being truthful!!
A lot of people were just against the other guy because he happened to be a D.A. Like that makes any difference. Could have been you or me just as easy. Probably HAS been you AND me. I know it's happened to me. A big 10 point that I know in my heart was poached. But without being able to prove it, you're just "jealous," if you say anything. It happens way more than people want to admit.
@@tomlightfield3154scratching his leg was one
I’ve been waiting for a break down like this. Thanks man
First time listening I’m from the Berkshires like the podcast . Can’t wait to watch more.
@@raybaird9541 this was a unique one, others are conversations with hunters. Enjoy man thanks for watching!
When you showed on the map, how close C.J's apartment was to where The deer was allegedly shot versus where the sister's property is......... that did it for me
It's on the other side of town but 5 miles as crow flies.
@@craigholland227410.4 miles as the crow flies. Probably 15 miles on the hoof for a buck.
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From his apartment on south ridge off 68 to the landfill or lt land development probably a 5 min drive . Maybe less than 5 miles from where he lives to where he killed it
@@craigholland2274 oh yes, sorry I was thinking between his sisters and the Landrum land. From his apartment to the Landrum land it is 1.12 miles as the crow flies.
CJ & his entire circle he runs with have an established reputation of trespassing, spot lighting, stealing stands & cameras. They’re main claim to fame around there is they trespass onto County owned & Municipal owned properties that do not allow hunting. It’s just really hard knowing his established reputation to believe he could be innocent. Its not a surprise at all he was charged with these crimes, plus he was obsessed with becoming famous in the hunting community & making a name for himself.
@dogsoldier he definitely made a name for him self lol!!
This dude is absolutely a poacher!! You just showed that multiple times over multiple years he was hunting these properties!! What a shame for such a world class whitetail!!
How many bucks get killed on the highway every year social media has people so jealous when someone kills a big buck everyone thinks they own the deer because trail cam pics
So so many red flags but what's more troubling is all those that said this fool was innocent.
@@hdelano11 yea the whole thing sounded fishy to me!! For starters why leave your phone at home?? If something happens and you get hurt you’re absolutely screwed!! I always have my phone just in case!!
@@mcgovernoutdoors33 NOBODY leaves there phone at home.
@@tommymyers3183exactly and if you do accidentally forget it you go right back and get it not brush it off for the next 8 hours and go “sit in a tree stand”. Dudes got the lying skills of Jussie Smollett. And he’s gonna end up just like him. In fucking jail. 😭
Has any new information come out regarding CJ since this video first came out? I've searched the internet a bit but found nothing up to date.
He's been indicted with a 23 charges, including spot-lighting to kill the deer. Moved it to his sister's house. She's charged, and several of his buddies. He's a dirt bag.
he wasnt charged with spotlight killing a deer
Hey Pat, killer coverage man. I was wondering where you’ve been. I haven’t seen any new podcasts or videos really but now we can see you’ve been busy as detective. Awesome work bud keep it up.
Thanks man! I have been so busy with Huntstock that the podcast has taken a bit of a backseat but I'll be back doing them fulltime when I can hire some help for Huntstock!
Great job breaking this down. I will say C.J. had me fooled, he is very convincing in his interviews. It is sad that this happens, I was really hoping he didn't poach that buck. He will have his day in court and if he is found guilty, he should get the maximum penalty.
I feel the same way. innocent until proven guilty. I would say if guilty he needs a harsh sentence for fraud and lies told on top of the illegal hunting practice.
More or less he's done this a few times. He's a seasoned lair in other words. You eventually get good at making things up after time
I saw him on one podcast and knew he was full of ....
You do know tho that bucks travel upwards of 7 miles or so during the rut. I’ve had something happen where I was watching a buck out the window and my uncle shot that buck 4 hours later about 3 miles down the road. The buck crossed a 4 lane highway. Went through a parking lot walked through 4 yards and went through a cherry orchard and got shot under an apple tree feeding on winter wheat. At 4:30 in the afternoon.
Great video…I grew up outside of Wilmington but I don’t know the cj dude personally. After that first podcast he went on and after some of my own digging, I knew the deer wasn’t takin legally. I hope Ohio makes an example, I can’t stand a poacher.
His sisters property actually looks like a prime spot. One of the best spots i got is 10 acres and borders some railroad tracks. It looks just like that. Also its not uncommon like people think for a deer to cover 10 miles and in a short period of time. Idk whether the guy is guilty or not and haven't really looked into this case so dont flip out on me. Im just saying that property actually looks good and ive seen the same bucks on trail cams that are miles apart in the same day or night. Circumstantial evidence shouldn't be enough to convict a person of any crime. And i also question the political sway the people accusing a person might have.
CJ said he didn’t see the buck fall yet it stayed on his sisters property? That is what is fishy to me. The property is mostly all open field and only 9 acres so if the buck truly did die on his sisters property, then CJ would’ve saw it die.
lol grow up, Peter Pan. Enough of your childhood innocence.
You haven't really looked into the case???
Well you just watched the most informative video on the case
I agree with you that the sisters property itself doesn't look horrible. But to shoot the buck with bow and buck didn't leave the 9 acres, and they didn't recover until next day is suspicious. As far as bucks moving, just last year I shot a nice buck that was over 5 miles away all fall. Rut will make bucks move.
The first two charges were not having a hunting license and not having a deer tag. Not sure how thats confusing?
iphones get everyone caught....
Great job breaking it down. I’ll see you at Hunt Stock NY. I’ll be working the event.
Fantastic summary. Thank you.
I'm not hating on this guy. I've seen the state get it wrong before. I know deer can go twenty miles a day no problem. When the does are hot it's game on. This guy will get his day in court, and I hope he is innocent. If he's not he will get the penalty the Judge gives him.
I feel like this a good, Christian approach to all of this. However, the evidence stacked against the kid at this point is staggering!!
@@Dark30Outdoorsthe media is doing its job though... Negativity ALWAYS sells. Aka gets views. No one is really posting defending videos. I fully agree with the original comment innocent until proven guilty. I hope it's wrong and it's legit for the sake of his kid and woman. But if guilty then you get the book.
I agree
Drugs, probably meth involved. Many such cases. Drugs and illegal spotlighting/poaching are often partners in crime.
When you are up all night what else would he do ? Definitely gonna go spot light !! Little junky
@@KyleC0430 well I have insomnia and don't spotlight or do drugs so now what Einstein?
@@JonathanJones-m7d you sound like a drug addict ! So I guess you need to get sober junky
@@JonathanJones-m7d take that up with your loved ones not some person on the internet !!,🛜 you have people who care about you so why don’t you try rehab ? Quit expecting people to give you handouts or begging on the streets and go get a job and get your butt in rehab and quit being a little pervert junky
Best video I've watched on this sad story so far ..if cj's found guilty, they need to throw the book at him. The real crime is that the buck will never get the credit for being maybe the baddest buck ever... absolutely sickening
Dude makes me sick sitting with these folks lying and acting like he’s some big time deer hunter like he’s been one all his life when he knows squat about hunting. Great video, thanks for showing..
There are big name tv hunters who not what they are. The one that broke my heart was Jimmy Houston.
With all the laws CJ has broken it's highly unlikely he killed that buck legally. This happens all the time but a really big deer like this brings a lot more attention. A big buck was killed in my state many years ago and was on the cover of North American whitetail magazine and was killed in bow season. A friend of mine knows the guy and said he actually killed it with a shotgun. It's disgusting. It happens so often that when someone does it the right legal way there is still suspicion.
When is the trial date?
I will have a video coming out soon that will have that info!
It was pushed back to August.
@@Dark30Outdoors Thank You for the update.
I’m planning on being at Hunt Stock in September; hope to meet you there on Friday.
Kid has been trespassing this property his entire life. I bet this don’t even stop him from trespassing on it again either. Kid is no good
Do you live in the area? What have you heard as far as evidence they may have in terms of trail camera pictures of the buck in that area the day it was killed?
Any idea why no one has commented on the actual trial? Originally it was supposed to begin on 5/20. Did they change the date? Any ideas? Thanks.
Pushed back to August.
@@Dark30Outdoors Thank you. Much appreciated.
Any links to this? Just curious.
@@tajeaton I don’t have a link. I remember going to the Clinton County clerk of courts website and looking it up after May 20 to see what happened and I saw it was pushed back again.
@@Dark30Outdoors Gotcha. Thanks.
I am worse than a little kid with this case. I am fairly certain I know the outcome, but still keep checking! Lol
Crazy thing is i get video tonight from cell cam and can see headlights in background of someone on driving down county road.. the very next vid i get u hear a gunshot about 12 seconds into it.. buck that was in front of cam looks exactly toward where that vehicle was heading so i know it was them that shot.. 9:54pm at night. People are ignorant.
Great overview! How many C.J.'s are out there that we don't know about! Subscribed, I hunt NY, NJ, & Maryland's eastern shore, film some of my hunts & posted on RUclips, looking forward to following you online!
Thanks! Would love to meet you at Huntstock this year. We have shows in New York and Massachusetts. Check it out at www.huntstockevents.com
buddy was sentenced today
On access point there's a bike trail that goes by the landfill. I live about 15 minutes from there
What are the locals saying about this? Are there trailcam pictures of the buck from November 9th that will prove the buck was in the area and not the area of his sisters property? Were those properties surrounding the area being hunted by other hunters? Are there any trail cam photos that will come out in trial that capture CJ on foot on Nov 9 or Nov 10? Was he getting dropped off and picked up so that he was not parking nearby?
@@HuntSuburbia So the lt land is owned by Robbie Roberts which owns r&l trucking and robbers arena. They don't let anybody hunt there. I have not heard anything about actual trail camera. To my knowledge nobody has permission to hunt the landfill as it City owned or the LT land. I heard the same thing you did about them having a trailer camera picture of CJ but don't know anything factual now.
@@HuntSuburbia just barely south of the water treatment plant there's a bike path that runs back there that would give pretty good access to that off of Nelson
Awesome
I hear you… and your line of logic has some greed in it too. And it really sucks as a new hunter to not be welcomed into a sport because all of you who have been hunting feel like all the deer that you’ve seen belong to you… just because you’re aware and have seen something many times, means it belongs to you. All it means is you have garnered a desire for it and thus somehow marked it, like a bear, as “your deer”. This attitude ruins the sport as much as poachers, congrats… your the other half of the problem
The only person who wasn’t indicted that’s involved is cj’s gf….he said she picked him up after dark at his sisters property and no charges for her???
That was just part of his story. He wasn't hunting at his sisters anyway they took the deer there. I would say she had nothing to do with it. CJ and his buddies did all the dirty work. She is guilty of lying for him to try and cover it all up.
I am pretty sure she told the officers that she didn't sign the permission slip until November 13th. That's the only way CJ gets charged on that. So they were probably lenient on her for being truthful.
I hunt in my back yard in the city limits.There is a 750 acre timber company that covers 3 sides of my property.I don’t trophy hunt I’m a meat hunter.weather I’m bow hunting or pistol hunting I can kill 4 deer a year.But honestly I harvest 1 or 2 a year.So it is possible to harvest deer on very small parcels of land
Interesting case. Is the indictment made publicly accessible over the internet for viewing?
All legal documents can be accessed online. They are public and can be accessed through the PACER system.
www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Files/Briefing-Room/News-Releases/CHRISTOPHER-ALEXANDER-INDICTMENT.aspx
@@benj3911 Thx I visited the Pacer website briefly. It looks like its .10 cents per page to view documents. I'll look into the website a little bit more.
Awesome job on the coverage. The deer in the back look bigger that 140. Must be camera angle
Do they have direct evidence of the actual kill spot ?
Not worried about distance bucks travel every year further than that when the rut starts.
Plus big deer are everywhere over there and in town.
Yup he's guilty. Should have never went on the huntr podcast.
Thank you for breaking down all this information. I believe the jury should view your video for a recap of the case. I realize past incidents are not SUPPOSED to be used in a case but his past unlawful record of “poaching” incidents should be used as a character witness. POACHERS give hunters a bad name!! Great video
I wish they prosecuted all poaching and trespassing cases in Ohio like this!
One thing i dont think people realize is, All 4 people being charged will be splitting the trophy fee on this buck.CJ wont pay this full fine himself unless he is man enough to do so for his sister and friends. The "Spread" will not be included due to the trophy fine being for "Inches" of antler not the score of the rack. Atleast thats how previous cases im familiar with, with multiple people and trophy bucks were handled.
the fine will be based on gross score which includes spread and will most likely be assessed to the poacher
As i said, in cases im very familiar with.. The spread isnt included. The fine is suppose to be "per inch of antler" and thats what ive seen implemented. But you know judges can discriminate how they want and when a prosecuter throws down numbers most judges wont know the differnce. Could go either way but ive never seen the spread included in the cases i witnessed.
@@stevefulscher8531 you are correct, only trigger person will get the trophy fine.
@@scootter37fines, plural. He’s getting hit with restitution fines for the 18 pt and the big 8 pt. Around $39k.
Wonder who did the mount for his 8pt. You have to have a tag number to have a mount done.
He tagged it but tagged it days after he shot it according to the indictment
@@HuntSuburbia gotcha. I was under the impression that he didn’t even possess a license that year. I’ll have to go back and rewatch it. Subscribed!!!
@@bourneoutdoors6758 He probably shot the deer,, then went online to buy the tag.. That's typically how people who do these things roll. ~ Best
Great job explaining this. I hate being stuck on Jury’s but man would I like to be on this Jury. Just so I could see the exact evidence. CJ keeps his story so straight podcast to podcast and if he is guilty that’ll be really disturbing. If he’s guilty then CJ needs to be a salesman because he could sell ice to an Eskimo.
Most criminals get very very good with their stories over time. More you lie better you get
@@hdelano11not when you get asked the same thing in different angles at random. I always pull for the underdog but it don't look good for the ole boy
Very good job with breaking this down, I have also been following this since I first heard of this poaching incident. We all have these types of outlaws in our area and seen how they operate, I knew CJ was one of them since I listened to his very first story of the hunt, we all know what it takes to get a decent Buck legally and from the moment CJ opened his mouth red flags were going up everywhere. I strongly believe he took that record buck at night time like he did the buck at the church and probably many more illegal bucks that have gone under the radar.
if there were more id think hed have them on display.
Sad buck won’t get good attention and he brought down lot of people with him from bad decisions. What a mess
If you going to do something wrong people and electronics will tell on you😂😂😂😂😂
We drive over deer tracks to hide them on the red dirt county roads around our property to try and help keep road hunters away
Nobody likes a poacher and justice should be served...BUT...this is the epitome of the problem we have in American justice as a whole. He didn't just poach a deer. He killed a RECORD buck that the DA (or their family) had personal interest in. Anger and jealousy in the house of power means he will be charged with 374.2 crimes. If he had poached a doe...nobody would have heard about this, and frankly nobody would probably care. Poaching occurs THOUSANDS of times a year in the Midwest and yet it's not mainstream news. He poached a record buck that the prosecution likely had personal interest in and its huge news. If this were a doe he'd probably lose his license (likely for a year on the first offense) and maybe get a fine. Maybe worse..but probably not. Poached a monster buck near the prosecutors family land and you'll get crucified.... Shouldn't poaching be poaching? The crime is the crime? Is he guilty...most likely. Does anyone want this dude to walk away free...no. Does he deserve to be completely crucified....no. The law shouldn't be more severe because the size of the buck...or the personal interests of a prosecution. The law should be the same for a doe...or a squirrel. You think anyone would be making this a show if he poached a squirrel? This stinks of the law being used to avenge jealousy...not just to govern a person's actions like it should be.
Interesting point, I do agree that poaching is poaching, and it’s strange how we value animals differently . But at the end of the day hunting is a sport and there is a dollar value related to large whitetail. If poaching is poaching and hunting is hunting then high fence properties wouldn’t charge 50k for a 300” deer… I don’t think it’s right to do that but that’s a reality. Same thing with cattle if you steal a regular old cow worth 5000, that’s the value of the crime, but what if you steal a prized bull or wagyu cow.
Good breakdown. I don't think that there is any doubt that this kid is a poacher.....allegedly.
No daylight photos of the buck after harvest. Huge red flag
@hdelano11 ridiculous. so ur sayn u can only hunt in the morning?
Very comprehensive coverage of this story! Great job! Sadly, had he never went on those podcasts he probably would’ve gotten away with it! The story having a lot of red flags is what brought on all the heavy scrutiny! Unbelievably stupid and narcissistic to think he could get away with it! Good thing is that a guilty verdict would get his 150 inch poached buck confiscated as well!
Hey I'm watching your podcast I'm watching you talk about this it wasn't a DA that was hunting the deer it was a game warden and he was out for blood he didn't know who killed it but when CJ popped up with it on a podcast the game warden was out for blood I do think there's a lot going on behind the scenes that we do not know
What property was the game warden hunting? If it is near the DA property / Landrum / LT Land Dev properties, there is no way CJ could have killed it legally. I would be out for blood too if I had one of the few legal access / permissions to hunt a deer like that and saw someone killed it who didn't have the access.
@@HuntSuburbiawhy could he have not possibly killed it ? Because of 10 miles?? No way.
now it makes sense. poor kid. nuts they can take your personal phone data along with others around u for a deer
Best video I've seen so far about this farce you call a hunter and his silly adventures,I feel bad the deer had to die by his arrow,he's not even worthy to even be in the same company as those deer....Btw this is my wife's RUclips handle...
Ya he was a poacher and im not trying to make light of that. But whats said is the kid was good at finding some big deer
Excellent break down and will look forward to the legal process take it's course on this. Poaching is pretty wide spread here in New England - one just has to sit out of a Walmart in MA that sells deer corn to see who is baiting - pretty obvious. Would be interesting to hear from some Game Wardens here on cases they have broke.
Thank you!
Thanks for the video!!
With all of the previous chargers from 2022 why in the world did Ohio not take his hunting privileges from him?
I don’t much care for the court of public opinion..
Nobody cares, dork
Imagine being a person who bought or leased land right after it was killed hoping the genetics were in the area 😂😂😂😂 psych you just waisted 300k
nobody with 300k would be dumb enough to buy land based on a big deer getting killed in that area
@@stevefulscher8531actually there most certainly are people like that. Seen it multiple times personally
If you know 130 to 140 bucks in your area were poached did you do something about it? What proof do you have bucks were poached?
$2,000 + $8,000 = $10,000…that 10k in cash/ marketing from the trophy dude?
Anyways, he’s real guilty and should be held accountable, but does the AG need to make 5 million charges for the same offense?
Seems like just throwing everything on the wall to see what sticks.
10k sounds like a joke tbh. This dude got greedy.
People kept saying Bucks can travel 10 miles yea I get it BUT there would be a trail of pictures getting to his property ..
Let's see what happens!
Do a deep dive of the Virginia 3 big bucks poached last fall. If you aren’t familiar with it.
They are stacking charges on him because the DA is pissed he didn't get the deer. Why didn't they charge him back when he did all this other stuff.
Imagine a case this big on a dead Doe haha
Cj's past record is outweighing everything else, good luck keeping ownership of that rack. Yur done dude
can't use past in a trail
How much you wanna bet that DA will end up with the buck.
I think there is a bidding process.
When is the court date.
Here in like the next 2 weeks.
It was pushed back to August
Integrity violations!! That sucks. No one likes a cheater!! 😮😮😮😮
There ya go, that one was reserved for the AG's relative. Got it.
How do you know the da brother wasn't selling hunts showing the one picture he had of the buck
After all the Arrests it should shut down the trailer park😂
I don't get why he has the 8 pointer on his wall for 2 years if they have all this evidence
Crazy the location he was spotlighting, basically in the middle of a neighborhood, I mean I can atleast understand the principle of poaching or breaking the law. But I mean he had to know that would get caught right there, absolutely maddening place to commit a crime like that u could see from a long way, literally shining a beam of light nearly into peoples homes
To be clear, poaching is completely pathetic, I just can understand people do lots of pathetic things but that crime is just beyond hard to believe someone dumb enough to do that.
Probably using night vision or thermal nowadays.
@@bch5513 interesting! Thank you for that clarification
I live in Ohio. And have friends from that area. They knew it was poached as soon as the pictures were posted. If he had all those charges he is an idiot for thinking he would get away with it. As hunters we really need to reflect on what we are doing. Poachers give all hunters black eyes amongst all anti hunters. I’ve killed a couple of nice bucks but to me my sons first deer and my wife’s first deer are memories I cherish over any memories of any deer I’ve gotten. In closing I believe we need to stop giving him his five minutes of fame. He didn’t help us he hurt us.
@@adamgd34 jealous of what a kid that poached a deer and then made up an elaborate story. With more twists and turns than a a comedy special. Cool
Those are nice deer! My biggest one so far is a 7 pointer that measured 16 inches at it widest spot. Idk what it would’ve scored his G2’s were 11” and 11.25”.. I hunt in north east ga..
He bought the license afterwards that why they knew she didn't give him permission in October
I don't understand. At first. The buck they first said he killed was way over 200inches
In ohio your deer tags are bought separate from your general license he use a bank card or credit card to buy the ice
I had to confront a poacher once and it was scary af. Approached unarmed.
Ummmm ok
I know in my state they have a wall in the DNR office called the wall of shame i hope he gets what hes got coming to him if he guilty thats why we have court i gess .
Good video
No wonder Corey hasn’t gone on any of CJ’s podcasts. Either the 2 together are worried they can’t keep story straight, or Corey is like dude put it on your wall and shut up!
From just previous years dispersing bucks that dear could have his dna profile through a lot of the surrounding areas
Had some doubts before watching this. Don’t have any now.
Access? He was dropped off/ picked up
I’m not gonna pass judgment unless I was actually sitting in the courtroom both sides need to be heard
I do know this crap happens in Ohio . People poaching these big dear . Sad to know this crap happens and can be proud about it
I think dude killed it not where he says. Also, the miles don’t matter so that needs to not be a factor imo. We have had bucks killed 8 and 4.2 miles 24 hours and less later from being on our cams by neighbors crossing a highway on one
Case and a river on the other. I put weight on all factors but not traveled distances
He said he got ice from a store on one of the two podcasts he done
U obviously haven’t been in Ohio. U make fun of why he was spotting in the church. Go drive around massive bucks every where in the burbs
All these ppl are full of shit i wish i was in court part of the defense with the known knowledge that i have period and about the traveling routes amd behavior of deer during rut and with added pressure . This was all bs that kid was so framed ........this kind of stuff is destroying the hunting traditions and industry
Deer go 10-25 miles all of the time. All of the time. Something fishy about this case
The audacity to poach something then blow it up on social media and act like you killed it legally u deserve to be caught
I cant believe he tried to have it certified as a world record. Hes apparently not very smart.
If the city owns the landfill that means our taxes paid for it so that makes it public property i dont understand how they dont allow hunting
So you think anyone who lives in the county should be allowed to hunt a small tract of land?? Think that for a second.
@@hoyt7710 its a 150 acres not big but big enough and if its bow only plus its a little ass town not everyones going to be hunting it most people turn their noses up to public land it be no different then hunting little tracks of public land all around the suburbs
Bruh we have small tracts all over that are public..bow only..wouldnt be no different @@hoyt7710
@@warrengreen3217every bow hunter in the country will be after those genetics if they thought bucks like that were hangin in landfills. I think some hunters would follow a buck off a cliff.
@@americanagothic7851 genetics dont work like that if that buck knocked up a doe and she dont got the genetics then it might be only a 120 inch in his prime but his dad was 240 inches a deer gets hafe of its genetics from each parent and study show the females has more to do with big racks genetics than the males