The Absurdity of Dragon Ball Super's Powercreep
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Characters grow stronger all the time in Dragon Ball, but is it getting too out of hand? Today we'll be talking about one of my biggest gripes with modern Dragon Ball, powercreep. We'll look at how this hurts the story, and look at some crazy examples, such as how Goku surpasses... Vegito!?
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#DBZ #DBS #DragonBallSuper
Simple solution: Turn Goku (and Vegeta) into kids with an accidental wish. Dragon Ball GTuper 🗿
Please dont
Then they go to Space, best arc.
yes
Yes🗿
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I think the issue with Dragon Ball in particular is that "Being stronger" is very ill defined and basically only tied to physical strength and amount of Ki a fighter has. "Stronger" fighters are just ones that can make bigger attacks, not ones that are actually good at martial arts or strategy in battle.
Not only that, but they also make stuff like Super Sayian transformations, which are supposed to be milestones in terms power, turn into something that can just be surpassed with enough training....
So not only do you have to be crazy strong to keep up with the transformation, but you must also be ridiculously powerful just to keep up with the person's base mode... When that becomes a problem when it is treated as the minimum level of strength required just to be relevant to the story (Im looking at you, God Ki).
Um because in real life
If someone can punch with 1200lbs of force and can land punches on you
And you can only punch with 400lbs of force you're getting folded lol
Also when characters are close in power
Like goku vs piccolo jr
It came down to who was more ruthless and had better martial arts
@@lastknight4839
Yeah, it still kinda is like that in super. The problem is more that the power difference has gone so out of control, that things like skill shouldn't matter, yet significantly weaker chars can still somehow keep up with no explanation to justify it.
Ultra instinct is supposed to address this but it only hand waves it
I mean that's what strength is, well in my opinion, physical power
It’s Like Every Arc They Get Hundreds Of Time’s Stronger
What if the Spirit Bomb purified whoever it hit???
In the tournament of power he 100000 times stronger and it lasted 45 minutes
@@jentoniosjozefuck2930 Jesus Christ
@@inconspicuouschannel1085 yeah...
The ToP is a good example. Goku went from getting dickslapped by a highly surpressed Jiren in SSBKX20 to at the end of the ToP (which was only like 45 minutes long) keeping up with a exhausted Base Jiren.
I'm so glad you brought up #17! I'm so annoyed that he got so ridiculously strong by fighting poachers while #18 trained with martial arts masters for years and isn't way stronger.
18 Didn't Train With Masters
18 wasn’t stated to train at all. She just lived at kame house and then with krillin(in super we do see Krillin and 18 spar with eachother occasionally) And i hate the fact that people keeps saying 17 got that strong by fighting poachers. He trained just like everyone else. The only difference between him and others is that he has no one to train with and doesn’t have a gravity room. And in the manga he trained with cell jrs living on his island. His power jump was ridiculous but saying he trained with poachers to get their is just as ridiculous
@@XJSPlays02 krillin? Just because Goku is a god doesn't mean Krillin isn't a master.
@@orion6397 if the power jump is ridiculous then it really doesn't matter how he trained does it?
@@Muppet567 except that 17 atleast has an explanation to how he got his power, while we have nothing proving that 18 also trained to that level. And since 18 is a mother she is definitely gonna be taking care of her child more then training
They should just get different abilities instead of more powerful like "oh no this evil dude has a weird ability we are going to have to learn how to counter it" it would be better than having goku go Mastered UISSGSS
That would contradict how ki works tho
Thats my problem with Dragon Ball. We have some technics like destruco disc and Piccolo's beam whatever its called that have unique properties, but how's a regular ki blast different from Kamehameha or Galick Gun? From all I know, for some reason, the latter are just stronger, and thats how Dragon Ball fights unravel, the stronger one wins, there are no strategies or unpredictability for the most part.
That's honestly what I was hoping they would do in the Moro arc. But then it became another "transformation vs transformation" fight instead of them using techniques against Moro's. Feels like the powercreeping is definitely ruining any potential good writing in Super. At this point my only guess to making the story good is to probably get rid of Goku somehow (either sending him to another realm or killing him off). But sadly that won't happen because they want to milk the character for money
@@tastedivinefury2198 Not exactly no. Ki has been shown to pretty much do anything it wants. For example destructo disc for the longest time seemed like it could pierce opponents at least around 4 times Krillins strength when he fought Nappa. Just add more techniques that are either utility(like Thundershock suprise) or ones that are so potent that the strength difference doesn’t protect them from the damage.
@@ziongamer6905 yes it would. Ki negates hax. Buuhan made vegito into Candy and he survived without organs and shit cuz his ki was higher. Goku broke hit’s time skip becuase his ki was higher…also destructor disk can cut an enemy that’s like 14.3 times stronger actually so that’s cool but thunder shock surprise and other attacks aren’t what I was referring to
Frieza being a mutant means he could have hidden from Goku on Namek, do 1 push up, and be as strong as SSJ2 Gohan.
Bullshit
Freeza went from below SSJ Grade 1 to above SSG in 4 months. Assuming that SSG is multiple tens-of-thousands of times stronger than SSJ and the gap between SSJ Goku and SSJ2 Gohan is much smaller than that, you could actually be right. Namek Freeza could probably do the fitness gram pacer test and one shot buu
@@goldenpersonwhoexists8834 Assume? Fam a stronger than buu saga ss3 goku was nothing to beerus and couldn't combat him at all. But a very unstable ssg could reading his movements and take attacks.
Frieza had a ridiculous boost in power. It's like goku from the start of db getting ss2 kid gohan level after drinking the spirit water to face mercenary tao.
surprised he didnt become so strong in the midst of the fight lol
by just using his god damn muscles
Its just mind boggling the absurdity that is Freiza's growth when he trains...
1 week into training he probably become stronger than the androids
2 weeks into training he must have just as strong as cell
1 month he surpassed SSJ2 teen gohan
2 months he must have reached SSJ3 goku in the Buu Saga
3 months Super Vegito in the buu Saga
4 months his final form was comparable to SSG Goku in Battle of Gods
Then we now have black Freiza who after training for 10 yrs can effortlessly one shot both True UI Goku and Ultra Ego Vegeta...like wth!?
We can jump on DBS' back, but the real problem started when Goku went from a power level of 416 vs Raditz, to a power level of 150,000,000 vs Frieza. Shit made no sense even with King Kai, Zenkai, gravity training, and the ssj1 form. Everything went from zero to 100 real fast. But nostalgia won't let you see how stupid that shit was.
DBS makes it even more absurd.
But yeah, shit like that was also stupid. DB as a whole should have ended with Gohan killing Cell.
Goku had a power level of 924 against Raditz in the Daizenshuu it's shown the kamehameha doesn't amp his power in any significant way the Daizenshuu gives Goku's power level at the end of OG DB at 916. Yeah I do agree the Frieza saga was pretty bad when it came to power creep especially the gap from Ginyu to Frieza was way too big also maybe Super Saiyan could have been a bit weaker.
Facts everyone will always over look Zs flaws to shit on DBS, thats how this fan base operates. Z had a lot of power scaling issues as well but its not Super so nobody dares points it out
I feel like this video is blaming Super for Z's crimes just because Super is the popular punching bag.
@@AnEnemySpy456 🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯
I Really hated Resurrection F on how they made all the Z warriors look like a bunch of Puppies Compared to Goku and Vegeta almost if The writers didnt care about them anymore almost the same in the Morro arc Even in the Granola arc Vegeta is slowly slipping away making Goku the Most OP one cause now i really dont care for Goku Like He is Juiced up!
Honestly I'm of the opposite mind. The Z Fighters don't have to be as strong as Goku and Vegeta, but they NEED to have their own cool fights against a Quirky Miniboss Squad. The Moro Arc did that better than Resurrection F.
They also made Frieza even more of a joke in that arc too
@@gonzalomendez3158 Freeza rushing off just after achieving a new power was in character for him since he didn't LIKE to train to increase his power. He thought what he achieved would be best.
Though I kept watching after the arc; I think Ressurection F killed Dragonball.
@@Nephalem2002 Kind of didn't. After ROF things improved a LOT.
It’s called lazy writing can’t think of having a unique character moment to have your characters figure out a challenge “there’s a thing called power ups”
it’s not even that. a show that revolves around fighting requires the characters to get stronger. and after they get stronger, they need to introduce a villain that’s stronger than them because without it there would be no tension
@@georgebrowniii3850 nooo let the weak characters get stronger out of nowhere so we can complain ab that!!
I really hate what they did with Frieza's power creep. He shot up from below SSJ1 to above SSJ Blue by doing some light training for four months.
You can arguably say the same for Goku and Vegeta getting vastly stronger in a couple years in the Saiyan/Namek Sagas via Zenkai asspulls and gravity training, but even that actually took them a lot of effort to achieve. They risked their lives by training in harsh conditions and fighting their enemies to the death just to get strong enough to contend with Frieza.
As for Frieza himself? All he did was beat up his subordinates for four months. It's disgraceful how strong he became with such little effort. He was never shown to have been a great fighter either, just ridiculously strong. Frieza couldn't even sense ki when he fought with Goku and the latter got quite a few hits on him just from using his superior combat skills alone.
It's just sloppy writing as a whole. Another example is how Frieza somehow managed to master his Golden form just by doing mental image training for a few months when after being killed a second time. Meanwhile, it took Goku and Vegeta years (in the Time Chamber) to master SSJ Blue and its ki control issues.
Sure, Frieza had some really cool moments in the Tournament of Power. But the way he was shoehorned back into the story for fan-service is appalling. It was too messy and feels like the writers ran out of ideas.
@@georgebrowniii3850 not necessarily. Jojo for example doesn’t have massive power escalation due to the changing heroes and villains. And even w/o changing the cast, you have shounen like Fullmetal or Kenshin where...nobody really gets stronger by a lot, if at all.
@@georgebrowniii3850 that problem only exists because Dragon Ball only has 2 relevant characters. Let me use HxH as an example: we have Meruem who is basically the strongest character in the show, and Netero is the only one(probably) who can take him on and hope to win, but even he finds out he is not match for the king and uses a nuke to win. Now how can the series go from here? Do you just throw in a stronger villain and make Meruem, who is supposed to be the pinnacle of all species and born to rule the world, look weak in comparison? No, because since you have a large cast of characters you can introduce a new villain that is weaker in comparison but still poses a threat to those characters because theyre not the only characters in the series and far from being the strongest in the universe or whatever.
I missed when each portion of an Arc would (even briefly) have a different protag that was technically "the strongest" Namek and Cell sagas were aboslutely the BEST for this.
I remember how strong the ginyu force were, they were also morally fucked up and weird.
Black arc, top, and moro this.
@@leultrainstinct406 Not really, it really was just Goku and Vegeta who were equals before Vegeta got a ring out, and Moro doesn’t even make any sense, couldn’t Goku go U.I.O. on will and thats technnically better than Vegeta?
I think that freezas power lvl kinda lead the way to the power creep
We went from 1200 being insane to 60 million in just a few arcs
I think he should've been scaled around ten million. That still woulve been absolutely insane but almost believable
Honestly, while the power creep in the Freeza saga was absurd, would say that the one within the saiyan saga wal already too much
I would've handled the power creep like this:
goku and piccolo in the raditz arc are 1k each, raditz's 3k, yamcha's 2k, krillins 2.5k, tien's 3k, piccolo's 4k, nappa's 6k, goku's 6k, vegeta's 12k, zarbon and dodoria are 18k, goku's 50k, first form freeza's 100k, second form freeza's 500k, 3rd form freeza's 1 mil, and final form freeza's 4mil and goku's 100k in base.
As for the ginyu force, jeice, burter and recoome are 40k, guldo's 3k and ginyu is 50k.
Not completely fixed but still far less insane.
My take:
Starting the scale with Raditz's official power level.
SAIYAN SAGA:
Raditz: 1,500
Goku and Piccolo vs Raditz: 1,200 and 1,100
Nappa: 4,000
Z-fighters- 1,000-2,000
Goku vs Vegeta: 12,000 vs 10,000
NAMEK:
Vegeta: 14,000
Dodoria and Zarbon: 8,000 and 9,000 (23,000 when transformed)
Vegeta vs Recoome: 20,000 vs 37,000
Jeice and Burter: 38,000
Ginyu: 90,000
FRIEZA:
Piccolo: 240,000
Vegeta base: 26,000 (In the OG, Vegeta went from 24,000 to 2,500,0000 after recovering from injury like 3 times. So in my version, I have decided that Vegeta has a base power level, and since he got incredibly strong for a Saiyan he was able to tap into some of his Super Saiyan potential to increase his power 10 times)
Vegeta: 260,000 vs Frieza final form
Frieza first form: 120,000
Second form: 220,000
Third form: 400,000
50% final form: 500,000
Goku base: 26,000
Kaioken x15: 390,000
Kaioken x20: 520,000
Frieza 100%: 1,000,000
Goku SSJ: 1,300,000
I actually remember when Yajirobe was one of the strongest fighters in Dragon Ball.
You mean the strongest
I’ve wanted piccolo to get a form or get the humans a form that they learn from the namekian book of legend
What
nO tHiS tHe GoKu AnD vEgEta ShOw
You happy?
@@onmywaytolife3660 yep
Well you are happy now
Goku becoming so powerful that he leaves everyone else in the dust?
*Already happened in* *_GT..._*
GT stands for Goku Time, don't you know!
And now it looks like super is heading in that direction lol
At least in GT, Vegeta caught up with him in the end.
@@dasaiyantv8483 not really though
Goku has access to UFPSS4 and vegeta just has Normal SS4 in GT
@@dasaiyantv8483 and vegeta can’t even transform into SS4 normally, he has to cheat to transform.
0:08 unless it’s the car episode
Lmao
My guy manifested The Super Hero movie
It's amazing how 4 people can all be the first to comment on a video.
Ikr it's incredible
It's amazing
Ikr
First
Mindblowing
Another thing I'm worried about is that since we know zeno is the strongest creature, when goku overpowers him what's gonna happen next, it wouldn't make sense for someone stronger than zeno to exist
The Xenoverse games exist and Goku will never become more powerful than Zeno, he might eventually rival the Angels after a few Years and if he fuses with Vegeta but other then the hardest and most ridiculous wank I cannot ever see Goku surpassing the Angels in power, at the very least not all of them at once.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki that's what I'm trying to say, how are they gonna continue the story, since it has basically been that goku surpasses everyone (which might even include zeno) and it'll get boring if all Akira does is make someone stronger than the angels. But honestly things are getting out of control.
@@multigamerboy7317 I don't mind powercreep, I love that enemies get stronger but what I love are the heroes beating the Shit out of or one shitting or toying with previous enemies.
Goku will still never become more powerful than any Angel since do far no enemy has been that strong and Akira isn't that stupid.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki But now with goku inches away from perfecting MUI, which is considered a Angelic form, he is technically in the angel category, and many people suppose Goku might become the Grand Priest, but I doubt he will accept the job.
@@multigamerboy7317 he won’t surpass Zeno King it’s literally been stated he is beyond complexity
The power scaling can't be fixed because the series isn't written with an end in mind....
The writers could implement " weather like Mechanics " lets say on a certain planet or whatever they can only use super sayain transformation alone but the Witter don't understand limitations are what make things interesting
But again they need to include more environmental influences and NOT outpower those influences but outsmart them
It can be fixed if they started to apply "Power Ceilings". Like put a limit in how strong people can get via training, and make it so that a person's base form can never get more powerful than the super form of past arcs.
Cause it is one thing to introduce a new milestone of power... The problem is that instead of treating these levels of power as "unique" or "special" cases directly tied to those forms (like SSG, Blue or Ultra Instinct), they always upgrade everybody to the same level for no reason and instead treat the forms as something that is stackable to those arbitrary numbers.
I mean, literally everybody has to be as strong as Goku in BoG just to be able to keep up with his basemode, when that was previously even more powerful than Super Vegito (something Goku wasnt even close to, even with SSJ3). Regardless of how powerful one want the Super Sayian God form to be, the baseform didnt need to get buffed by that much.
Ok that's not powerscaling
That's bad writing
I'm getting tired of people blaming powerscaling for authors being bad writers
@@zettovii1367 that's dumb
@@lastknight4839 power scaling is directly associated with writing, what I'm tired of is people not understanding that power systems and by extension power scaling are there to SERVE the story and not the other way around...
Power scaling is NOT desperate from writing IT is a writting tool
My suggestion to fix this would be to have a villain come and maybe kill the gods, or somehow separate their reality from the mortals reality or something, and then have a huge time skip so people like goku and vegeta die off. We could explore a world where no one has god kii anymore. See old man gohan, an older piccollo leading the next generation. We could see goten and trunks become relevant with just ssj 1 to 3. We could see pan and bulla taking the wheel of the story, depenging on how much of a time skip we want to have, we could even see entirely new protagonists. The children of goten, trunks, bulla and pan. Hell, maybe even piccolo could have a child or something. My solution would be to have a hard reset. At least that's how I would handle it...
It’s funny how accurate he was with the solution with superhero💀
Every villain was the strongest during their arc
Nope
@@Hensley_Jb Do u have an example?
Beerus was stronger than every single antagonist and he was the first one in super. Only one you could argue surpassing him was jiren. At one point Moro was one of the weakest villains yet still posed a threat.
@@leultrainstinct406 Jiren was the strongest in his Arc, we have yet to see him work alongside Goku in the show, Moro still became the strongest and of course everyone is weaker than Beerus, it's kinda the point of his character.
@@watsonjesse93 yea but you’re tryna say every antagonist was stronger than the last and that’s not entirely true.
11:19 "Only way to fix it is more power creep"
Orange piccolo, Gohan beast, Ultra ego vegeta, Black frieza: Allow us to introduce ourselves
bro called it
While I do like DBS, I kind of agree with this. The powercreep was already there since DBZ (with the humans being fodders ever since the saiyan saga and it only got worse and worse), but it become even more apperant in DBS, with SSG Goku being >>> SSJ3 Buu Saga Vegito, and MUI Goku >>>> Black Saga Vegito Blue. However, despite this, the side characters still get some moments to shine and while they can't beat the main villains anymore, they can still do some help, such as in the ToP, or in the Moro Saga
You know you dont need ">>>" just > is enough. But i do agree with your points tho. And actually i dont think Vegito Blue from zamasu arc is that far behind. He defo is tho.
@@Wexor. exactly dude... People like to think and wank ui to such ridiculous levels to the point that they claim ssjblue vegito is fodder to ui which just not true... Had it been ssjblue vegito in t.o.p instead of mui it still would have given full power jiren a run for his money I would say...
@@shoaibhaq8680 agreed
no, its pretty obvious that vegito and zamasu got easily surpassed by the time started
@@shoaibhaq8680 Lmao no Goku Black saga Vegito Blue would've been destroyed by Jiren in five seconds. If Goku and Vegeta fused into Vegito in the ToP and went Blue them Vegito would put up a fight.
Not to mention Piccolo. He went from being a fodder fighter(in Ress. 'F') to being a fighter able to stand up against Frost. What is also saddening is all Piccolo does is train literally 24/7, he doesn't need food or sleep yet, Goku and Vegeta just make him look weak. On top of that, based off of knowledge you could make the inference that Vegeta trains way more than Goku on a daily basis and yet he is still surpassed. Then there is Goku, who despite having family that he spends plenty of time with, he still beats both Piccolo and Vegeta by slacking off most of the time and only actually training when in a dire situation. You could also make the Piccolo inference with Tien and possibly Chiotsu. They both train half of the day and own a dojo yet they are probably only on Super Krillin's level. Tien was able to hold off semi perfect cell. If they had payed attention to the other characters more, I'd honestly say Piccolo and Tien would probably be rivals of ssg at the time of Ress. 'F' just because of how much they train.
@nehaal khalid He was spending time with family mostly between The Buu saga and Battle of the gods saga and, Vegeta trained almost the whole time with Trunks making his training way more effective than Goku's because it's clear he would've had to train alone.
@nehaal khalid it's all just a clear example of power creep and plot armor
@@charlemagne797 Goku did train with multiple warriors from the after life
Also, Goku does mention in the cell saga that too much training is just torture and not proper training. That's one of the reasons Goku surpasses Vegeta.
Beerus Really did start this issue to be honest
Yeah it’s so funny that kid buu the guy who threatened the entire universe could be killed by one flick from beerus
@@sadfghjk3909 and ssj3 got one shot by beerus
Remember when androids made off of Saiyan Saga Vegeta killed off the entire Post-Namek cast?
@@trutyatces8699 remember when the androids built by some old dude in a cave with a box of scraps surpassed super saiyan vegeta, who surpassed super saiyan goku, who surpassed final form freeza, who could blow up a star?
Salad casually predicting DBS super hero:
What if Piccolo got his own god forms that help him get on par with goku.
*Orange Piccolo
And Gohan evolving Ultimate to get stronger and stronger.
*Beast Gohan
I don't know if there is a way to fix it. The power creep started at the Saiyan Arc after Vegeta Was Defeated that's when all the other characters became useless even Piccolo even after fusing with kami was really just a plot point to hold back the main villain for Goku. When it came to the tournament of power the plot kind of showed that the problem with the other characters was that they stopped believing they were useful and that's why they're so far behind but that doesn't make sense for Piccolo. If more characters learn the Kaioken in some cases they would at least be able to be good support but at this point they're just onlookers only there for Nostalgia reasons. To really fix it there would have to be a retcon starting when Vegeta and Nappa first showed up. And the dragon balls are a thing people like Krillin and Tien could have wished for more durable bodies so they could handle the strain of techniques like Kaioken or wished for something like unlimited potential even though it wouldn't have made them stronger they would be able to get stronger past their potential by training or the Androids have unlimited energy generators why not wish for unlimited energy then I could use a technique like Kaioken and gain the same multipliers that Super Saiyan has. Given the world of Dragonball there's plenty of things to do that would let other characters still be useful and Powerful but what it really comes down to is it's a lot easier to have a smaller group of main Fighters so it's easier on the people drawing and animating and there's not a whole lot of characters to keep track of in a fight. Roshes retired but Krillin and Piccolo need to be part of the main fight crew at least and given the world of Dragonball there's plenty of ways to do it with it making sense they wouldn't be able to get powerful in a day unless you use the hyperbolic Time Chamber 2 train but they would at least be able to come a lot more powerful and be able to do more and be good support
My suggestion to fix this would be to have a villain come and maybe kill the gods, or somehow separate their reality from the mortals reality or something, and then have a huge time skip so people like goku and vegeta die off. We could explore a world where no one has god kii anymore. See old man gohan, an older piccollo leading the next generation. We could see goten and trunks become relevant with just ssj 1 to 3. We could see pan and bulla taking the wheel of the story, depenging on how much of a time skip we want to have, we could even see entirely new protagonists. The children of goten, trunks, bulla and pan. Hell, maybe even piccolo could have a child or something. My solution would be to have a hard reset. At least that's how I would handle it...
I think part of the problem is every villain had to be stronger than the last in pure strength, often many times stronger.
Every time an arc ends everyone needs to be 10+ times stronger just to be relevant, which leads to the ridiculous power creep.
In old Dragonball it wasn't about raw power that much, a lot of it was treating fighting like solving a problem, there's an enemy who can fly while Goku can't(so he jumps at them and uses the Kamahamaha to change trajectory in mid air) or training against Morin(and he needed to learn to stop thinking about reacting by trusting his instincts).
Once Z rolled around(and a bit before it if I'm honest, Goku wipes out the entire Red Ribbon Army single handedly) fights stopped being about figuring out how to beat the enemies trick and became how to get strong enough to beat them by pure force.
If each fight didn't require everyone to just be stronger it'd make a lot more sense. Once you're 10 times stronger than anyone else on Earth space had to be next, and Frieza was one of the strongest aliens, so then androids using his DNA, then time travelling androids, then ancient snot monsters imprisoned in a ball, then gods...
It didn't need to scale this fast if they'd just played it more like old Dragonball and needed to figure out the trick(Maybe the androids were solar powered and they could find a way to block out the sun so they could wear them down, or Buu's body can't regenerate if frozen and luring him into the instant freezing water in HIFL is the only way to imprison him, etc).
Here's how the side characters can catch up to Goku or at least not be left behind:
Vegeta: Gets a G.O.D. form like Toppo has.
Gohan: SSG/God Essence
Piccolo: Training with Whis
Krillin, Tien and Yamcha: Ultimate + The Kaioken
Androids: Maybe an upgrade from Bulma.
Goten and Trunks/ Gotenks: Goten and Trunks getting SSJ2 or SSJ Rage and getting a potential unlock like the Ultra Divine Water.
This was why I actually really liked when Hit was introduced. He wasn’t particularly strong, no large planet destroying blasts or supersonic punches or anything, he instead had the time skip, an interesting ability that’s more strategic than just pure strength, it made you think “wow how will goku fight around this” and not “man I wonder what form he’s gonna use to beat him”, but of course that’s what the fight turned out to be smh. I love dbz but man story wise it just loses flavor, Jojo has become my number 1 shonen anime
I agree on the Hit part although I actually didn't mind the use of kaioken blue, since its not really a new form, but a technique stacked on top of the current transformation, as well as something that already existed in the DB universe previously. I considered it much more ingenious to use something like that as a strategy vs Hit instead of Goku getting a new form out of nothing.
@@edu9890 he didn’t get a new form but it’s still the same principal. Using a stronger power up and you simply win. It didn’t make sense that the fight became “he freezes time, I guess I’ll just PoWeR Up TO bEcoME fASteR”
i mean to be perfectly fair he actually didn’t beat hit, he straight up lost the exchange and stepped out, even in their second bout he lost the first exchange and the second was a draw
Death being a revolving door is the series' other biggest problem. Power Creep wouldn't be such an issue if characters, particularly Goku, so easily come back from the dead. It might still be an issue, but at least it wouldn't be tied to just one or two characters. Meanwhile characters who aren't getting more powerful at ridiculous rates could actually be written off the show in a more narratively satisfying manner.
Bro just predicted the Super Hero movie 💀
13:02 Foreshadowing HARD lmao
literally read the future
This was made two years ago and bro literally anticipated three transformations Gohan evolving ultimate *beast* piccolo getting a new form *orange piccolo* Vegeta training with beerus *ultra ego*
"Piccolo could get his own god power" totally predicted Super Hero
It's as if they've watched this video lmao
Lmao from 13:05 onwards this dude NAILED everything that would happen in Super 🤣
I bet Toriyama saw this video 🤣
The idea that a fusion with the items of gods being using a transformation of gods could be surpassed by one part of that fusion is crazy.
The power creep is not the biggest issue, it’s on of the many massive issues.
I was thinking what if another magic villain fights the z fighters and they use magic to make goku and vegeta lose their ability to access god ki and their saiyan transformations. This would cause them to train again and maybe force them to stick with the saiyan transformation eventually getting ssj4 or wrathful like Broly if its not exclusive to him.
At this point I only have one question; Where’s Launch?!
I mean the end of the video pretty much sums up super hero. Super hero is probably one of the best things they could've done. Bringing gohan and piccolo back into the light, showing more of broly, teasing teen gotenks and adding a new strong character that could come back in the future (gamma)
Now black frizea is a thing
How can other characters catch up to Goku? By having a tingly feeling in their backs.
Bro predicted DBS Super Hero
I would love gohan to atleast be able to use super saiyan god, it’s such a nice form with a nice color and it’s a shame it was barely used during super
Another problem with Dragon ball is that at this point everyone in the series is so unbelievably strong that it's impossible to visualise or really understand.
Once you go beyond planet busting level strength, it's hard to really grasp strength beyond that.
And right now everyone is like universe busting beasts and are getting even stronger after that. It's absurd, and worse still, it's impossible to follow.
if the power creep continues either the god of destruction title will be questioned and eventually overthrown or they'll just make beerus do an asspull and make him the grand priest's brother.
Powercreep is just the middle name of any shounen bro.
Yeah it’s called lazy writing
@@1kbmahan not really lol
@@tastedivinefury2198 no, it is. While power creep is hard to avoid, it's not like every villain or hero needs raw power to be strong. If more characters had less power but techniques that required more skill to work around things would be better.
A very good shonen that avoids power creep is JoJo's Bizzarre Adventures. The fans may be annoying, but the show itself does a great job at power creep. Then again, it's like on the line of seinen and shonen so it probably wouldn't even count anyways
@@Muppet567 ok but making someone stronger than someone else isn’t lazy writing lmao
watching this video now makes me happy that some of these problems were fixed
Poor any other races besides the saiyans.
Angels, Beerus, Jiren, and Frieza: am I a joke to you
@@CJ-qv4sd 1) They are above everyone besides possibly zeno and his guards already 2) Beerus is unknown, but narrative suggest him being pretty OP 3) Jiren is fodder to current strongest, and its unknown how strong is hypothetical Jiren training after top, so dont use that argument 4) Frieza already hit his limit in terms of growth stated in one of the guides/promotional materials.
@@Wexor. Angles aren't even above the GP. Let alone the Zeno's.
@@zye4809 Grand Priest is an angel 😫
@@Wexor. Who's above the others.
The big issue is that this is kind of inevitable with Dragon Ball. With the huge duration of the series a lot of problems have arisen, it's difficult to come up with new techniques for characters when there are already so many with such versatility so it's kinda difficult to make battles about outsmarting the opponent without starting to repeat the smart moments, and you can only get so much further getting away with saying that someone who is already a martial arts master is even better at it. Which is why I feel like the criticism towards Dragon Ball having become a battle to see who has the biggest power level is kinda disingenuous, because it takes away all context as to why it is this way. At this point in time, for this to happen they would have to confront new villains with some ability to limit what anyone can do, forcing them to think outside the box, something we saw a glimpse of in the fight between Goku and Jiren when Goku tried to use the Kienzan to send Jiren off the stage by cutting the floor right from underneath him, but even this would become stale and predictable after a while.
With that said, I agree that power creep is stupid in Super, and the fact that characters like Goku, Vegeta and Gohan get exponentially stronger in just a few days and in some cases in minutes is absolutely ridiculous.
For anyone wondering why my first paragraph is so removed from the video's topic, it's because it's a direct response to some people in this comment section talking about this.
There are ways to balance this fighting ground if they take their time to properly do it, but, this would probably not even too hard at all.
I will leave this comment here with an example of how things can get balanced, not everyone suddenly having the same power level since raw strength isn't everything when the point of techniques like the Kienzan are of stopping the opponents from fighting (probably why Toriyama never allowed the humans or namekians to get any stronger, since they would have taken the route of taking the big bad down without letting them become dangerous).
Just imagine Tien getting the Potential Unleashed state from the Old Kaioshin so that he could keep on improving his martial arts to the point where competing, not outright beating, but competing with powerful enemies became a reality. From this point, if Toriyama had actually cared about developing other characters atleast, the humans would've gone through the mage route. Saiyans are the warriors, Humans are mages and Halves are the paladins.
If power isn't coming you can simply outdo it with something else, and that is possible in a scenario where the Z-Warriors started going on some nostalgic adventures the same way they did back in the Classic days, but this time into space, mainly to train with Goku's past masters.
That Yardratian master teaches so many supportive Ki control techniques which range from simple things such as Complete Ki Mastery, Teleportation and Self Buffs to some monstrous higher leveled moves like Spirit Control (this with Kaioken and Potential is crazy), Size Manipulation (still maintains your true powers, so you can just literally minimize yourself and beat a bigger guy with intelligence) Cloning (no freaking losing your power anymore when you split, this works for Tien), Forced Ki Fission (weakens the opponent by disrupting Ki Control, essentialy killing Super Saiyan forms).
After training in Yardrat and mastering those abitilities, move on to the Kai world and study there, master the Kaioken (Spirit control and healing can probably ease some of the dangerous side effects in North Kaio's technique, maybe taking it to a new level beyond what even Goku achieved), explain to the Old Kaio why they need Potential Unleashed state and tell him that they're willing to become masters at the Magic Arts (magician Krillin doing magic tricks for his daughter and 18 would be adorable).
There are some many non god ways to get stronger that I almost haven't had directed my lines towars Whis whose knowledge on God Ki and a bunch of crazy stuff, keep in mind that Beerus only turned out so strong due to his godly training then it is safe to assume anyone can do the same, under proper conditions.
@@sonicplays8740 you see, logically, you're thinking correctly about it, however the issue is that narratively, this isn't very great... Having every character capable of using a technique takes away it's uniqueness.
It might sound silly considering techniques like the Kamehameha are usable by basically half the cast, but moves still pertrain their individuality. When you think of the Kamehameha or Destructo Disc, you still associate them with the characters that use them as a signature move, Goku and Krillin respectively in this case, however, allowing everyone to just be able to use every move in every situation is just not interesting, because what makes the humans still fun to watch is how each of them deal with their obstacles, if everyone has the same moveset, you can't explore different characters dealing with the same situation, because they're all the same character.
Another problem is comes in the form of the characters themselves. By this point, Goku and Vegeta are so far ahead and the threats are so impossible for the others to deal with that their usefulness is pretty small, and they all pretty much decided to retire, and rightfully so. Because of this, having the humans suddenly start seeking power would come up as very sudden. Yeah, sure, they could come up with ways to bring them back to warrant their wish for more power, like the T.O.P., but even this would become repetitive.
Look, I understand why people want stuff like this, but when you think about it, it's just not a good idea. It would, imo, do more harm than good.
@@gigaphoton376 I agree completely with you on your take of things getting more unbalanced if everything is to turn out balanced once more (imagine if Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, Picollo and even more Roshi started using all the training and learned all of Goku/Gohan's movesets, they would be bridging Freeza's level and possibly even break Ultra Instinct's shell). But, leaving the series the way it is has just as much potential of harmig t it as bringing the spot light back to the other Z-Warriors (should the number of limit breaking things keep rising, it will be a matter of time until suddenly we question things again).
It's so odd how this powercreep exists and yet people still say things like Cell Saga ssj2 Gohan being stronger than ssj2 Cabba.
They REALLY don't understand how ludicrous this show gets.
I just realized how out of place Golden Frieza is. In timeline order, around 15 or so years had passed since their time in Namek when Frieza was revived. That means in 4 months, Frieza was able to achieve a level of power that took Goku and Vegeta the better part of 20 years to attain.
13:05 bro predicted the entire Super hero film.
it's fun to see gohan and piccolo get stronger, but ganging up on the opponent would become a problem. A villian who could handle goku and vegeta is already crazy strong, but handling 4 roughly equal main characters would be a beast.
There's nothing to suggest that God Ki is exclusive to Saiyans, a human training with a god could hypothetically acquire it and greater power with it.
Tien was kinda useless in the long term in Super, but that Kikoho in Resurrection F was fucking amazing.
6:10 This is why I'm 90% sure if frieza trained for as many years as goku he'd surpass zeno and the grand priest
In four months Frieza got over 5 million times stronger
Frieza is a Mutant Prodigy
He never trained a day in his life prior to Ressurection F
That’s a lowball…in fact it’s not close to enough lol
@@michelk.8008 yeah, a fun excuse that saves the writers from putting work into their work.
@@Muppet567 Not really. It was stated in Guide books and in Z.
@@zye4809 It's still an excuse.
Kinda funny to see the solution you brought in the end being the one they used in DBS Super Hero. I really hope they keep going in that direction, making sure the rest of the cast catches up to the power of Goku and Vegeta. There are enough half-sayans in earth to get to the levels necessary to it.
I think a really good way to help characters catch up is to have some of them start learning Ultra Instinct and not just lock it to goku. Ultra instinct unlocks all of the user's latent potential meaning that even someone like Tien could be comparable to Goku again through UI. It wouldn't be an ass pull because everyone can use ultra instinct. It can also fix the progression problem because characters would need to train their minds and bodies in order to use the form.
The Problem with power creep is that Goku's so strong right now that even if you trained for a million years and got a million new forms you realistically still couldn't touch him. The Addition of the gods with infinite power really broke everything and any way to get a past character relevant seems massively contrived. Even SSJG was dumb like all that you need to get a saiyan to become a literal god is six good saiyans or training with some blue angel dude.
They didn't even expand the cosmology enough to make room for these new enormous levels of power because Buu was already a threat to the universe and no god could stop him except now there's Beerus who was somehow asleep when the universe was being destroyed and Whis who just decided to sit there. The Entire DBS god retcon was done very badly and ruined what semblance of a reasonable power scale DBZ originally had. So when Android 17, Frieza, Gohan etc. become god tier by training for a few months it's not just that they become thousands of times stronger it's that they literally ascend to a level of infinity.
Z had this problem as well but at least then there was a way to reasonably get characters to be useful since it wasn't too far fetched for characters like Tien to have base forms equal to Goku. If you gave Tien Kaioken x100 he would already be on Super Saiyan levels (Debatable where goes there since the whole SSJ Grade 4 > 50x argument exists) and Piccolo with a bit of training could definitely also catch up to Super Saiyan tier characters even in base. After the Buu arc there was a reasonable way for everyone to catch up to Gohan who was the strongest warrior at that time. In GT it would take a lot more bullshit for people who are not Goku or Vegeta to actually be useful but even then people like Piccolo, Uub, Gohan or Gotenks had the potential to be useful.
what I don't like the most and I sure everyone would agree. Dragon Ball is about the dragon balls. but they made it about Goku. at lest GT was truthful on the title "G"oku "T"ime. but it was to late because the whole damn thing IS about Goku at the very start. "guys what happened to the whole Dragon Ball plot? now it's just nothing but fighting and the dragon balls are slowly not being used anymore."
So Dragon Ball Multiverse?
Goku using Super Saiyan Blue to spar with Krillin was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen in Dragon Ball history.
I don't like how the overall tier of the entire series gets raised just cause a few manage to reach a higher level. It is difficult to give an example, but after Goku unlocked God Ki, how is it that Krillin is keeping up to any extent in the Tournament of Power? He stopped training, doesn't have the ability to multiply his power hundreds of times, and if he was capable of growing to those levels at all, why wasn't he significantly stronger during ALL of the Z arcs? This applies to every character, like the Yamcha reaching Raditz level pointed out in the video.
The biggest example I find is how the whole universe 7 team, besides Goku and Vegeta, somehow caught up to them.
You got krillin, who was obviously already weak compared to Goku in DBZ, somehow gives Goku a good fight in DBS pre-TOP.
Then you have Freiza, who was literally trapped I a cocoon, catches up to Goku and Vegeta’s SSB.
There’s also Gohan who goes from barely using SS2 to Ultimate. Even his ultimate makes no sense. In the Buu Saga, Gohan was at least stronger than SS3. Now Gohan’s Ultimate form is arguably at least SSG level in the TOP.
The problem with this show needs to be fixed somehow. Removing Goku from a few battles or giving other characters their own forms sounds like a good idea
Frieza Did Mental Training In Hell To Master His Golden Form And Goku Held Back Against Krillin
@ً true
@@XJSPlays02 I guess Freiza’s mental training makes sense, but I disagree since I don’t recall a time when it has actually made someone stronger. I know Gohan and Krillin did on their way to Namek, but I didn’t see anything about them actually getting stronger.
As for Krillin, what about Piccolo and Roshi. Goku would’ve needed to hold back A LOT if he was considering Goku has god-ki in him. By that logic, that would mean all the enemies, who are able give a fight to Goku and Vegeta at base form at least, would hold back against Krillin.
I think it would’ve made sense for all of them to get stronger if they got the ultimate form from Elder Kai off-screen. That would make much more sense than their base forms being on the level of god-ki Goku base form.
Ultimate Gohan was actually equal to Blue Goku just before TOP started, and well, the issue is the writing team is pretty retarded, same goes for Toryiama. And Krillin didnt really give Goku a good fight, but he still got a ridiciolous power up via plot, and Frieza training mentally in hell is pretty retarded as well, another poor excuse for him to be on equal terms with SSB Goku. They just need to show these characters train and struggle, unlike Goku getting stronger and then minor characters are just said to be secretly doing shit and then they can somehow fight Goku lol
The freeza one makes absolute sense tho
Dbs RoF Gohan is stronger than his buu saga counterpart as he said Tagoma Ginyu is stronger than him at his best or something (and unit
The granolah arc made it so vegeta finally caught up. It's either they saw this video, or they just felt bad for vegeta.
I’m watching this at black Friezas introduction
Toriyama loves goku way too much, teased at gohan becoming the shows focal point then changed his mind.
It wasent Toriyamas fault the fans are the ones who didnt like Gohan as the new MC after Cell and wanted Goku back.
@@pinstripecool34 oh this very obvious false statement is still around in 2021. How wonderful,
At this point in history
These "Ass pulls" became a plot device that simple keeps things going as long as people keep buying
Also super dragon ball heroes is basically that wet dream of those fans
although its really tone down i believe
I swear DB fans are hilarious when they use SDBH as the Anti-Superman Gun or Saitama Eradicator. It’s fun to watch the debates.
@@kaynines5996 Toriyama really is laughing out loud.
Dragon ball is supposed to be an anime based on martial arts but most times the fights mostly depend on who's stronger, we need fights where even the weaker person can win using skill and technique rather than transformations and zenkai boosts, making everyone stronger than the last person is getting old.
The most critical issue is that there is no ceiling. The ceiling is Zeno-sama: who is literally infinitely strong.
We don't need stronger characters, we need weaker ones. Main characters should decay after reaching their peak, being relegated to support cast and allowing new characters to take protagonism. And there were multiple missed oportunities:
- Goku dies in namek with Piccolo/Vegeta taking his place
- Gohan becomes the strongest after defeating Cell, with Goku and Vegeta never being able to surpass him
- Goten & Trunks defeat Buu with the fusion
- Gohan again, after the 'definitive' thing
- Uub, the forgoten character. Even Goku said he was going to train him!
Honestly, I dont care that characters go from Multi Solar System level to Universal and now Low Multiversal, I love powerful beings and ever increasing fights.
That's the problem the show is shitty for this reason ,if fan complain they would get a better show
I prefer strategy stories
@@jotaroisbestboy7593 It's fine, everyone has their preferences, I also love strategy, when series combine both it becomes something spectacular.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki jojo is basically this but much better
@@jotaroisbestboy7593 I know I love JoJo's, I've read all 8 parts and all of the other specials and shot stories and I've watched everything up to Part 5 since I don't have Netflix.
Although they're not very powerful they just have insane abilities sometimes.
this man essentially just predicted the plots of super hero and the granolah arc. what a legend.
13:06 fr goku and vegeta gone that whole movie
@@AokijiIceAge yeah also orange piccolo with the piccolo should get his own form and beast gohan with the gohan should keep evolving his ultimate form
Goku and vegeta are so strong that they can’t even make environmental destruction anymore in a way that makes sense
Ah good old power creep, Dragon Ball's biggest problem since, uh, well, since Dragon Ball Z started. Heck even OG Dragon Ball had tiny signs of it starting, though back then it was still fairly well balanced.
'Their fight is threatening the fabric of the universe, and may destroy it' but earth which is right next to them isn't being radically affected? Bullshit!
This the first time I’m watching a salad video that isn’t 30 minutes old
Who else noriced that the thubmnail of the video changed. Vegito hair used ti be yellow now its blue
Yeah he said that the og thumbnail wasnt the final one.
@@dragonzstyles6344 oh ok
I hope the announcer from the (first parts of Dragonball who was there when goku first entered the 1st (I think) tournament.) makes a return as a main villain that not even Goku can defeat!
(This is a hahahæ funny joke)
Solution (somewhat): Gohan masters ultimate, and gets a new form from it (we gotta get Gohan something new). Call it like Gohan white or something. Piccolo becomes a god namekian. The humans get kaioken up to 50, or maybe even 100. Frieza trains more, and vegeta gets the GoD form
I think they should've stopped at universal-low multi universal in super and then slowed down the power creep, maybe having goku and vegeta only get 2-3x stronger an arc, and focus more on interesting abilities like hit's time skip, goku black's ki constructs, maybe even expand on ki in general, like it having a pathway system throughout the body like in avatar and naruto.
I agree
@@giornogiovannatheultimateb8553 thanks!
@@ProjektTaku when will you put Saiyajin saga vegeta at multi country level?
@@giornogiovannatheultimateb8553 I think continent level is pretty fair.
@@ProjektTaku ginyu force?
Dragonball in a nutshell:
"I am literally 10000x stronger than you. Your strongest attacks are nothing more than a gust of wind for me"
events occurs
"Now I am 1000000x stronger than you. I have literally learned nothing new, my energy is just bigger than yours"
rinse and repeat
On another note, notice how side characters are getting stronger by default. They literally don't have to do anything other than getting sticking around the gang to get stronger. By the "logic" of this series, DBS krillin should be able to oneshot DBZ frieza. It's almost comical how the original series can be SO BAD, and yet most DB fan mangas surpass the series in every aspect (I strongly reccomend DBM and Kakumei). But what can you expect when you have toei at the reins?
They sold the quality away a long time ago. They know they don't have to put in actual effort to make Dragonball fans buy the product, they can cut corners and not even in creative ways, so they're doing just that lol
Can you please continue "What if piccolo was raised by kame"
I want the next movie to be: “arise from your grave, General Blue”
Where are being in a underground red ribbon bunker, in a cryopod, biophysically enhanced and learning what’s all happening above ground.
Just super says he’s gogeta blue level.
Damn,correct,now we have Ultra Ego and orange,beast
Step 1:GIVE PICCOLO AND THE HUMANS ULTIMATE. Seriously, why has that not been done yet?
dang bruh once he said something about vegito and vegeta falling behind i felt that
I was worried about the thumbnail. But when I got told not to worry by salad I stopped worrying.
I then saw the real thumbnail I'm now: WTF
I really liked power levels and wish they could still use them but it’s so inflated like if they had saiyan saga power levels around 1k and full power frieza around 10k would be cool
Now that you mention it I do feel the same and I really want gohan to be more powerful .
He didn't know it yet, but he predicted piccolo orange
Maybe they should give gokus some draw backs, like maybe his ki is starting to have negative effects on his body so he can't fight as much, or maybe increase his weakest skills like intelligence or parenting.
Or make unique techniques and better story instead of "sTrong = gOod"
@@naydsoe27 I'm not sure even super shenron can give us that wish, but you bring up a good point
honestly that DOES bring up an interesting idea: How exactly can Goku and Vegeta's bodies withstand having such a ridiculous amount of power being generated seeing as we're WAY beyond planet or even Solar system level now. you'd think by now they'd start to suffer some drawbacks from it, like a circuit running a current that's just a bit too powerful for it to handle that causes it to start getting damaged.
@@SpectroliteDS2400 they don't just train their ki they train their bodies to be able to fight and handle all the blasts and all that energy
@@SpectroliteDS2400 the same reason Vegeta doesn't use ssj3 he says its ineffecient while Goku uses it because he has trained to handle it
Hear me out salad sayain this is a good one what if jaco did his job and took Goku to the galactic patrol hq when he was a kid
Basically what if Goku was raised by the galactic patrol ( now that i searched about it smug stick actually did this but this is a little different i want merus to be the one raising Goku of anything not jaco )
My biggest issue is a new transformation every fight instead of mastering each form with new techniques before introducing a new threat. We don’t really get breathing room with the forms. The best one they paced was mastered super sayian. Other than that peep this
-ss1 beat frieza, cold, gave cell a decent fight
-ss2 beat cell, got nice screen time in the buu arc
-ss3 didn’t even beat anyone just for show of awesome power not sustainable
-super sayian god was rushed way to quick. Faught beerus first time stated that their fist clashing shook the multiverse. But then got thrown out for super sayian blue. It did come back in the anime for the TOP. Which was good to see but short lived because it didn’t really finish a battle
-super sayian blue. Beat frieza “vegeta should of taken it” but after that just felt like a base form because every other villain was just like your strong but can’t beat me strong
Now we have ultra instinct and ego which are forms I like because it looks like they are going to work in mastering these forms and let them breathe and get screen time and time to develop with new techniques
My biggest issue with the Moro arc is when 4 of the strongest Z fighters (outside of Goku and Vegeta) couldn't handle 1 opponent that SSB Goku could... and it's not even his strongest form now! Definitely need to fix the power scaling for Gohan and Piccolo ATLEAST
Moro Gave Him A Power Up Boost Make Sense I Mean Without It He's Nothing
@@XJSPlays02 still doesn't take away from the fact android 17,18 piccolo and gohan all fought him together and couldn't even really hurt him. Then SSB Goku handles him low difficulty
@@cosmik411 dude I Get What You're Saying But Understand This What Would've Happened If Saganbo Never Had That Power Boost From Moro Gohan 17 Piccolo Or 18 Would've Killed Him
@@XJSPlays02 I understand that and I never said he wouldn't lose to them. Only reason I said this was to talk about the horrible power creep just like in the video that shows everyone outside of goku and vegeta can't even handle fodder shit now
You might have to move the series to the next generation, and have them fight "weaker" characters.
There comes a point where you can't make tougher enemies. Like Goku and Vegeta are rumbling with literal gods, beings who can destroy planets by tapping their fingers, what is stronger than a god?
There are countless ways to make characters' power levels less relevant, though some of them (time travel and dimension hopping) have, unfortunately, been squandered at this point. Many characters, up to and including Krillin, already have certain moves that are capable of killing even high-level characters, provided those characters stand still long enough. My own idea of choice would be to have one of the lower-level characters (perhaps a Tenshinhan or a Piccolo) train under Baba, and learn to incorporate precognition, to a degree, into their awareness, allowing them to avoid and/or anticipate moves before they happen. The powers of Devilman (from original series Dragon Ball) would also be highly useful, if learned by one of the z-fighters. There are also many other powers, which don't depend, or don't seem to depend on power levels, which could be introduced. Power Creep itself is not that big of an issue.
The problem is that this will only work if the creators of Dragon Ball can break one of their longest and worst addictions; using "power boost" as an excuse to make certain abilities irrelevant. It may not have been the first time this was done, but I remember Chaotsu's telekinesis falling victim to this way back in the Saiyan Saga, and Tenshinhan's Kikoho (Tri-Beam) facing the same fate during the early Cell Saga, by utterly failing to cause any lasting damage to Cell, despite the fact that that's not how the Kikoho is supposed to work.
To their credit, they allowed certain abilities (such as the Solar Flare) to remain useful, even after they started boosting everybody's power levels, but if you're going to try to fix this problem, by, say, introducing a character who can permanently trap someone within a certain section of space, unless they know the secret to escaping, or a character who can dehydrate you with a touch, or a character who can create bubbles of aggressive insanity, you've got to stop escaping from having to write a clever way out of that, by just saying, "Well, Goku reached a new level of power, and now he's too strong to be effected by that, lol."
If they can restrain themselves from that, allowing other characters to develop and improve in other areas, which may not win the fights directly, like Goku does, but remain useful, regardless of the strength of the characters they're dealing with, then power creep would mean much less than it does. If, for instance, Chaotsu could enter people's minds by being close enough to them to allow him to touch them, or his shadow to fall on them, allowing him to explore their psychology and their memories, he would still be occasionally-useful for providing the others with important information about their new opponents, or even sneaking information out of other protagonists, or defeated antagonists. If Piccolo could use his electric attacks to cause seizures or heart conditions, or other serious medical issues in his victims like real electricity does, he would be far from useless once he gets his hands on you, no matter how "strong" you may be. These are just a couple of examples of how to address the problem, and all you have to do is have these characters spend some time out of the action, then come back, say they've been training hard to develop useful techniques, and that they know "a few new tricks" now, similar to how Piccolo introduced his "Special Beam Cannon" early on in Z, or you could actually show some of the training they undergo, to try to master these new techniques. There are many other ways to do it.
13:01 no way bro wrote the plot for Super Heros
I think transformation or even maybe having like a new fusion technique for the small characters would be the best solution because the gaps are just to far behind