It's not about that. Apple doesn't want to lose customers by, potentially, pissing off the big apps. Apps like Facebook can survive without iOS and could kill iOS if they were to bounce due to these restrictions.
@@willo1345 Yeah, if Apple banned RUclips, Facebook, Twitter they would see their market share drop like a brick. Stuff like youtube is so essential these days for many people that they could probably reach windows phone market share levels when they ban it. Maybe not overnight but I doubt they would sell many new phones if they did. Floatplane on the other hand? Wont make much impact for them
Don’t cut down your app. Contact news outlets and post this on Twitter. Apple is taking heat for this already, fan the flames. What Apple is doing is wrong. People are noticing. Keep being the squeaky wheel.
It's better if the consumer give tips to the news outlet and or consumer protection agency. Edit: so it more like consumer complaints than angry developers rant
They (Apple) stick to their guns on these sorts of things to a fault. I understand it takes a lot of effort to upkeep a walled garden. But a walled garden is not useful if you can't do anything but look at the fancy bezels and the pretty interface
@@waldolemmer Well, you have initial costs needed to develop the app, art, and stuff like that. Then you have running costs like employees to run the business, server costs and programmers to continue developing the app. So it's not like actually free to serve up the dumb coins
@@aleph6707 You are mixing business model and Intangible items... The items are delivered at no cost as they are created automatically upon purchase and cost nothing to ''produce'' All the employees, servers etc you are describing are not related at all to the coins... coins are a source of revenue in the business model.. employees are not a cost to it..
LOL REDDIT is fine on IOS and I can find links to pirated content, porn, political commentary etc. Apple is truly being Apple in the same way RUclips applies their "community Guidelines"
Lol. I didn't think about that. Reddit is literally the worst if you consider user generated stuff such as comments. Damn Apple really has double standards
@@kecvu thanks i needed a laugh. browsers are safe and secure...so funny.. ever since i first learned how to use a computer i've been taught the only secure computer is one with no connection wireless or wired to the internet and one that has no kind of programming port bios/flash update port, or any kind of usb port on it or readily accessible...lol.
See also: RUclips, Reddit, Vine/Byte, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Soundcloud (although you cannot upload on mobile), Spotify, Steam (yes there is a steam app), any mail app....
Also "No porn on my christian appstore" unless you enable it outside the app then it's fine I think once an alternative reddit client was banned because "You can see porn in the app" while you could do the same on the official app lmao (The app was later re-allowed)
it is what was pointed out in the video - Apple can decide on his own - would it allow it or not. If App is big enough and use their 30% bribery system, they could close the eyes to another things. Normal ppl already forgot what Apple is ..coz there a lot of better solutions, but there are still ones who like to be a slave
Work on the mobile site. Have a site thats robust and optimized and youll do fine with user access no matter the platform. Instead your splitting resources between site and app.
rGunti Gaming except PWAs are still pretty shit on iOS. You can’t install them, only bookmark them, which will take you to your full browser with tabs etc.
@@evancrazyerror If a site isn't setup to work as a PWA then yeah it'll just show up as a bookmark, but if the site is specifically built with PWA capabilities "enabled" then it'll appear like any other app.
Applemafia: "look it would be terrible if something happen to your app... But if you pay us for protection, you will find that you can do things more safely..."
アニメAnimeIsArt I could answer with other things, but I’ll go with the simplest one, but if you already have an iPhone, maybe it’s easier to circumvent its weaknesses that a buy a whole new phone
@@Nickxis Never buying an Android phone, ever, unless Google suddenly changes their entire revenue model (Which won't happen). Google is the absolute devil when it comes to user data, I wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole. I'd rather find a more annoying way around the issue, than buy an Android phone.
I agree, but it should be noted Apple purposefully makes Safari trash-tier to drive developers to make native apps. I say this as both a native app developer and a web designer. Safari is hot garbage, and every browser on iOS is required to use the underlying Safari engine, so Chrome/Firefox are just custom UI on Safari's terrible web engine.
I would also say: When Apple don't want us on their devices - fuck 'em. I always give my listeners several options, where they can find my radio show - not only itunes. Also methods where they don't need to subscripe to anything.
@@leonmuller8475 No, they wouldn't; that's the whole point, to not give Apple the 30% cut they ask if you use their payment API, which they force developers to use. They'd use a payment system through the Floatplane website or similar to not give Apple the cut
AWildGamerAppeared Yeah not directly, but imagine if Apple was consistent with their policy. Then many more people would like Apple and use their products and services thereby making Apple more money.
Isn’t this similar to Spotify’s issues. Apple doesn’t allow them to add certain things on the iOS app because of the user experience. Totally not because of Apple Music...
And if youtube would suddenly, you know disappear from apple store, Apples market share would fall very much, considering RUclips is an app that is used but 99% of people
@@adrianosefanovsko3476 i have wondered if part of why windows 10 phone died is because they couldnt convince youtube to put an app on there, i love my lumia 735 phone but its extremely irritating not to be able to use chrome or youtube or hangouts or anything i'm used to using, and if windows 10 on the desktop side didnt allow those apps to work i'd be looking for a new desktop operating system probably that did allow it.
@@isabellaereshki my first phone was a windows phone and I loved it too. The reason why I think it failed is because of the app support. There were so many apps that you couldn't download that it makes it a pain...
It’s not illegal in the sense that you have to agree to their TOS which has this, but it is anti consumer, and could’ve been brought up at an anti trust case.
Probably would be a massive issue with Apple if they found out the IPA was being given out and result in the app being taken down. I'm of the opinion screw apple at this point. Remove all the features from the app and make sure it just barely functions, then never do updates other than to keep it functioning. If apple want you to amputate your app, do it and tell all your users that it's apples fault that only the Android version has these features.
Apple rejected my app because it had very little user-generated content. I'm adding more user-generated content. but now I'm confused, they'll reject the app again for having user-generated content. Apple, what do you want?
Oh no no no no apple doesn't want user-generated content, especially in games. They want you to pay for level packs so you can send them their sweet 30% cut of all your profits and not have enough money to make a living wage. Oh! Booo hoooo Apple, the trillion-dollar company, needs 30% from people's apps so they don't go out of business because it would idk hurt their bottom line. It's not like app developers need money to support themselves and god forbid if they had a family to support too. Can apple just grow up and stop bullying all these small-time app developers. It's about time they do.
From my understanding apple doesn’t mind user generated content as long as there is a method of filtering and or flagging / reporting inappropriate content and then allowing the app the block users.
I could get over things like this if apple held all developers to the same standards, it's one thing to have your set of rules, it's another to pick and choose who has to follow them
try to deliver the app outside the apple store, like popcorn time or alt store, or create a web app that you can dock on your home screen, people wouldn’t care if it’s a webpage or an app, it would look the same
@@dylanh333 Don't allow push notifications, limit caching till iOS 13, don't allow styling the status bar freely, require a lot of steps for normal users to add the app to the home unlike android...
It's iOS. There is no alternate store and no way to side-load applications unless you Jailbreak the phone. At best, you can place a bookmark to a website on the homescreens. Everything has to go under a review process, and as they pointed out in the video. There is no off-boarding process permitted in anyway. People will have to manually navigate to a website using a web browser to bypass the restrictions in place.
honestly though this is a winning strategy + investment in a better web app that users could save to their home screens. upside is it'll always stay updated
Kinda reminds me of the app on ios years ago when ipod touch was a big thing, i believe it was called "i am rich" app cost $1000 and just had one button on the screen...
Floatplane could make an payment option for iOS user where they have to pay 40% more (140 -30%≈ 100), so they have all the features in the app. Just rise the cost for iOS user, if they want the features: they are allready used to pay a premium...
Yes, Apple doesn‘t allow that. But still RUclips Premium costs more when purchased over the iOS app than normally... UsEr ExPeRiEnCe!!! sent from my iPhone
@@jack_elliott And to add on, a lot of companies also have to honor agreements to users like yearly subscriptions, which a lawsuit would eat into their already shrinking revenue
Because if I'm a video creator considering FloatPlane and I see they don't have an iOS presence, it pretty much disqualifies the service from my consideration.
apparently apple has sold 1 trillion iphones and counting to date...huge pool of potential revenue...in some ways android is an underdog success story since it somehow dethroned and sidelined windows/microsoft and nokia and blackberry and palm etcetera, and somehow keeps duking it out with apple's iphones for market share each carying about half the us market roughly last i heard or something.
@@raymondberg7385 pretty sure youtube is big enough that if it wasn't on the app store it would be a determent to apple. So I highly doubt apple gets a 30% cut from google. your right about they making a fuckton tho.
RUclips makes money with ads, which they don't need to pay Apple for. There aren't many RUclips premium user in total, and only a portion of them pay via Apple's Appstore. So it's a cut that Google can afford completely.
@@domminiksarchiv1007 iOS PWA support is still anemic compared to Android. Apple want to kill PWA as it's the biggest threat to their App store model. I'd still go PWA though, for sure.
I like the idea of Floatplane to support creators but the problem is that it is built based on "missing" RUclips feature. If RUclips add a paid channel option for creators where subscribers will pay a small 3$-5$ fee to watch without ads and percentage of that money will go to creators then would this seriously compete with Floatplane, probably drive it out of business?
I find it interesting that people who know about these limitations don't typically stop buying apple products. I knew about these practices when I switched FROM Samsung to apple. Its entirely possible that people are aware of these practices and just don't care because the product apple produces is better for what they need or want and they are acutely aware that means that certain apps won't be available or will have limited functionality because of apple's business practices.
that kind of thing is in the Capitol one app. tho in fairness to Apple theyre kind of right. The first time I swiped on it I got immediately confused. Probably because I havent seen that kind of UI function in iOS apps since apple has that rule tho.
I hate apple bullshit but I’m kinda okay with this. I’ve seen too many pop ups that look like notifications or battery messages that are actually subscriptions or app ads.
Being an iOS developer in the past, they have been doing these annoyances for years. Had 2 apps taken down as we didn't use Apple In app payments (though client accepted in the end and added the payment method even though it was 'preferred' *forced*). App approval is hit and miss depending who did the testing. Website reference is big no no... Many other issues... 😒
I remember asking Luke at LTX 19 over a year ago. Since then I switched to Android. I am glad that I switched because of the wait and also the user experience. Not only with this app but apple in general. Apple sucks. Floatplane is amazing
To support user generated content you need to have a mechanism in place for flagging content and a policy in place for when/how the flagged content will be removed or reviewed. I went through the same issue with apple a few years ago when I was releasing a video sharing app. It was a nightmare to to implement but it is possible to have user generated content as long as it can be moderated.
The arguments against doing everything in a PWA disappeared years ago. Unless you are making a 3D game, a decent dev can make one that is indistinguishable from a native app (especially if it's running on an iOS device, which has multi-core and a discrete GPU). Smaller orgs don't have the clout to do this and thrive, but LMG sure the hell does. Pull the plug on the app stores, make a single app that works on all devices (like your website already does) and tell the grifters in Cupertino to get bent. You literally have nothing to lose and a ton to gain.
I would also like to point out that Apple Broke the Android version of Shazam to make it on par with their iOS version of the app. They removed the QR Code scanner which made me really angry. 😡 I'm also not very happy that I can't set my Gmail to push inside of the Mail app, Apple really need to fix this ASAP. If you could mention these issues on next week's WAN Show it would be really appreciated.
Let’s say someone on the inside could leak an .ipa file from that original update cycle how would one get in contact with that person.... purely for research purposes
I really have no idea how this works, but there's not a chance apple takes 30% from Nike or any other shopping app, any chance you can put it in the shopping catagory?
Even if everyone who watched this clip donated $100 to this cause, it would be pocket change for Apple, and it would probably last a few weeks only, considering how expensive lawsuits are these days.
I haven't used floatplane at all but it sounds like you should just push iOS users to the website and have a robust webapp instead of wasting development time trying to appease Apple. Obviously they're less desirable but can still be pretty robust and avoid a lot of headache considering you probably aren't going to be getting a lot of new users from them discovering floatplane via the app store.
I want the EU to break up their Eurozone operations. Sorry, you cannot be the same company that makes the OS AND the hardware, and you must allow apps from outside your official store.
As a dev what I’d do ( I don’t know if it’s possible, but if it works you can hire me for more brilliant ideas) : Put a simple subscribe button in the app under the sub form. Create a nice responsive mobile view for subscriptions on your website. The subscribe button send a message to the backend to send a specific generated e-mail to the user, which navigate to the website, where (with the given datas) he/she should only finish the payment. Edit: missed the website part
Just a month ago I too had to remove external payment methods from an app at work. Actually, I knew about this restriction since like a year back, my lead did not believe me, lol.
App stores should be regulated, if an app has it's own payment system, so long as its secure, the app store should not have the policy of limiting user choice.
Sounds to me like there is no point to even having an iOS app, why put the investment in when it just sounds like a web browser is going to be a better experience?
@@thewhiteniinja But not everybody can find your website, app store is curated and recommends stuff. Web App will work for fans like us but will limit the app discoverability for public. Not to mention how these days most websites show you popups to allow notifications, the average user is more likely to click no on install popup out of habit without reading. Plus you miss out on tons of re-engagement using notifications
@@s.jaswinder What if they just advertised on the internet a page on their site that would instruct step by step to add the correct link on the screen? No app store would be involved.
@@enginerd80 Yes i understand that but as I said general public will not be willing to go through these additional steps because everyone else's app is a single click install. Their thinking will be create a proper app. Even though facebook offers an app literally with tons of privacy concerns, how many people do you see switching to their web app? Web app will never get the same popularity as a native app unless app stores fuck it up.
question: I am not an app developer and i have neither published an app to iOS I constantly read about the 30% cut. Is it true though that after 12 months that cut goes down to 15% ? I have read that also. In this case , although in the first year of the app will it generate less money for the developer, but after this it goes quite low, no? I mean what would be the acceptable percentage for an app store to keep?
It’s so weird and arbitrary-there are tons of forums- like SA, which is deffo not family friendly-with robust and well-developed apps going for years. It feels like they got in early, and that’s the only reason why they’re there. Like, if SA or reddit or whatever tried to submit apps in 2020, would they be denied?
In China app developers took a simple approach, they just raise IAP price for cross platform app on iOS for around 30% because with the more popular payment options the cut is only around 1%.
We built a www.kiwistrippers.co.nz app for strippers, so customers could browse, pick who they wanted, and book actual dancers / promo models etc for their stag / hen parties, party buses, etc. After developing a fully working app, apple said no, as some customers (not our target audience) might be offended by it. It's a monopoly, that's unfair on legal companies. The whole point of the app was to make it safer for our dancers at jobs, automate things like uber etc.
The whole thing that you can't subscribe to other creators / even find them on your app is also based on your business model for floatplane where you need to subscribe to every creator separately. The other video service that the science community is pushing hard now doesn't have this problem since you pay a flat fee and then you can see all the content from all the creators on there. But you also can't subscribe to the platform through the app.
The reason why they refused it for user generated content is probably because you didn’t have a report button or something...at least it was for others that I know.
Didn't Microsoft get fined for behaviour like this? This behaviour should be illegal at the very least in the EU. Sadly Apple knows you don't have the cash to sue them.
To Apple uses: this is the "ecosystem" you bought into, an "ecosystem" that kills itself dead in its tracks; good job. Also, that "ecosystem" claims to prioritize one thing (user experience) when in reality (let's face it) prioritizes another (money)
As an Apple app developer I am disappointed in how Apple have handled this. The payment gateway thing, whilst I don't agree with it I also understand Apple's stance both from a revenue and UX standpoint. However the user generated content and opening your own website from within the app stuff is just stupid and I don't understand why they are blocking those.
Because even though you are a nice guy and would never hurt a fly, there are a bunch of people who would redirect people to scams to steal their identity and money. Just visit some of your favorite sites and you see the redirect to "Upgrade Your Flash" or automatically downloading files, etc... Out of the 8+ billion people there are only 5 ppl like you who wouldn't try to hurt people for their own gain.
@@mogulverse You can protect the end user to a point, after that common sense needs to come into it. My email client allows me to open links in emails, sure if the developer or Apple prevented this I would never be able to follow a scam email link... but I also wouldn't be able to follow legitimate links. So Apple and the developer of the email client allows this, hoping that some end user common sense will be used.
It would be reasonable for Apple to require apps to use Apple's payment processing and subscription management systems. What isn't working is the 30% cut. That may be fine for intangible goods that have no marginal cost to the developer (the game coins example) but completely falls apart when the developer has marginal costs on the content delivered in the app. What I would like to see is Apple "unbundle" the App distribution services they offer to developers. Sell the software distribution/delivery, App Store discovery/marketing, payment processing, subscription management, etc. services separately with pricing that reflects the value of each of those services.
@@Conjo Huh, but Twitch does that. (technically speaking they're selling tokens you can spend on subscription instead of buying subscription directly as you do on desktop)
So they allow big social media companies (which probably pay them) onto their service but nobody else who wants to provide a UGC platform, and people argue that they aren't monopolistic?!
Point number 2... Luke is saying that can't afford 30%. In my opinion, it's wrong. There are not many businesses when you know upfront what is your margin, cost etc. 30% is known from the beginning of App Store. If you don't like it look for other options or build your service around web experience..Simple as that.
If you dont like apples practices, dont list on the app store. If enough people dont list on the app store, Apple will change (see xbox one having to change in response to people not buying it). If you can't do this, I don't really see how this is anyone's problem aside from your own for being so reliant on an app store. It's 2020, is the Play store + a web app not enough? I also dont see an issue with app stores being strict on what apps can and cant do and the problems that come with that as a developer. At the end of the day I've had 0 virus related issues from apps downloaded from the app store. I know that the ones discussed in this video dont directly relate to security, but many issues do. This is the trade off for being strict on apps, a net positive for the user imo.
i am sorry but that seems kinda stupid on your part. Its nothing new that you can't have your own payment option. often prices for subscriptions just add the 30% on iOS or you have to sign up outside of iOS..... how is this any problem?
Well, that's not the main problem here. Apple has the right to do stuff like that. The problem is the fact that Apple is a hypocrite. They hold different standards for different apps.
yeah seriously... i find it rather hard to sympathize when these rules have been pretty obviously in place for app publishers for a long-ass time and yet they're still *shocked* when they're hit by the rules.
Except apple lets other companies do it such as netflix, they are picking on the little guy. plus it gives apple a monopoly on the Iphone market as there is no other app store for apple unlike android
They didn’t include the response yo your quest in this short clip but according to luke in the full wan show they explicitly prohibit a price increase for ios only too.
I wish everyday cell users would realize there's more than just *buy an iPhone and I'm good* type of thinking. Reasons why Android is better for everyone as a whole.
Also the reason why so many Android users get scammed and phones get infected. The idea that the world is full of good developers who wouldn't rob your information and money is naive at best and I honestly think Google purposely allows this because as long as they get your advertising data they don't care. They can do better, but from the years of bad user experience on Android they haven't really fixed the problem for their users.
I know anecdotal experience means close to nothing, but I started with Android as my first smart device. Used different brands across the spectrum, and have never had any incidents, nor do I recall hearing about someone having an "infected" device. Def not saying they are perfect, but to say so many users get scammed seems like a mislead generalization. 🤷♂️
A local non-profit organization's app is refused to be allowed on the platform, because they.. uh.. have payed membership? Via bank transfer and a google form on their website under one heading? Not even mentioned in the app or anything? They demand that *all* membership payments even not under the iphone app go through their API. I am pretty sure that the situation is just because that one reviewer at apple has misunderstood their guidelines completely, but good luck getting that fixed.
Totally agree that Apple is wrong on this, but they’re excuse is not user experience. They’re very upfront about wanting the 30%. In fact if you sell goods and services that are “outside” of the app (Uber or Amazon) you can use whatever payment processor you like. So in that case they don’t care about user experience. Sucks either way.
@@eedetv9062 People with jailbreaked iPhones are still people with iPhones. They still bought a waaay too expensive phone, just for the brand. I think they would pay for floatplane too.
"No user generated content" unless you're Twitter, or Facebook, or anyone who can afford to fight you legally.
It's not about that. Apple doesn't want to lose customers by, potentially, pissing off the big apps. Apps like Facebook can survive without iOS and could kill iOS if they were to bounce due to these restrictions.
@@willo1345 even so, it's one rule for one and another for everyone else.
I know, it's one of the reasons I can't stand Apple. Extremely anti consumer.
The thing is that games in xcloud are as big as normal apps, video and comments not
@@willo1345 Yeah, if Apple banned RUclips, Facebook, Twitter they would see their market share drop like a brick. Stuff like youtube is so essential these days for many people that they could probably reach windows phone market share levels when they ban it. Maybe not overnight but I doubt they would sell many new phones if they did. Floatplane on the other hand? Wont make much impact for them
Don’t cut down your app.
Contact news outlets and post this on Twitter. Apple is taking heat for this already, fan the flames.
What Apple is doing is wrong. People are noticing. Keep being the squeaky wheel.
Beltalowda exactly this. The more developers call out Apple for their anti-consumer App Store rules, the more it’ll get media attention.
It's better if the consumer give tips to the news outlet and or consumer protection agency.
Edit: so it more like consumer complaints than angry developers rant
They (Apple) stick to their guns on these sorts of things to a fault. I understand it takes a lot of effort to upkeep a walled garden. But a walled garden is not useful if you can't do anything but look at the fancy bezels and the pretty interface
And higher the prices on apple by saying poces x plus 30% apple tax just like Spotify ones did where ios was more expensive then android
publish an app in the apple app store has always be a horror , and it will always be, make it public change nothing
yes youtube is capable of moderating comments. yes. yes. yes. yes.
Is that a jojo?
@@yalfi7585 sounds like it lol
@@yalfi7585 it mostly gave me john f. kennedy vibes
they already do lol
This issue deserves a disappointed Linus rant on the main channel.
Agree!
Backwards hat beard Linus is totally rad.
All it took was a global plandemic for our little boy to hit puberty.
rad n chad
lookin like a dude perfect member
Chad Linus
I may be rad, but im also sad
Luke. The phrase you wanted is "Selling Intangibles". It's a made up thing that the app developer can deliver in infinite quantity at no cost to them.
Lol I like the way he said it better. Even I spent money on that junk.
"no cost". really?
@@sayamqazi It's virtual currency. Of course there's no cost.
@@waldolemmer Well, you have initial costs needed to develop the app, art, and stuff like that. Then you have running costs like employees to run the business, server costs and programmers to continue developing the app. So it's not like actually free to serve up the dumb coins
@@aleph6707 You are mixing business model and Intangible items...
The items are delivered at no cost as they are created automatically upon purchase and cost nothing to ''produce''
All the employees, servers etc you are describing are not related at all to the coins... coins are a source of revenue in the business model.. employees are not a cost to it..
LOL
REDDIT is fine on IOS and I can find links to pirated content, porn, political commentary etc.
Apple is truly being Apple in the same way RUclips applies their "community Guidelines"
Lol. I didn't think about that. Reddit is literally the worst if you consider user generated stuff such as comments. Damn Apple really has double standards
How about just the internet in general
@@Mrmegaminergames well, internet is not an iOS app. Browsers are safe and secure.
@@kecvu thanks i needed a laugh. browsers are safe and secure...so funny.. ever since i first learned how to use a computer i've been taught the only secure computer is one with no connection wireless or wired to the internet and one that has no kind of programming port bios/flash update port, or any kind of usb port on it or readily accessible...lol.
@@kecvu yeah no, just no
Apple: nO USeR GeNEraTEd ConTEnt
Tiktok: *exists solely on user generated content*
See also: RUclips, Reddit, Vine/Byte, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Soundcloud (although you cannot upload on mobile), Spotify, Steam (yes there is a steam app), any mail app....
zRiddick you certainly can upload on the soundcloud mobile app
Also "No porn on my christian appstore" unless you enable it outside the app then it's fine
I think once an alternative reddit client was banned because "You can see porn in the app" while you could do the same on the official app lmao (The app was later re-allowed)
it is what was pointed out in the video - Apple can decide on his own - would it allow it or not. If App is big enough and use their 30% bribery system, they could close the eyes to another things.
Normal ppl already forgot what Apple is ..coz there a lot of better solutions, but there are still ones who like to be a slave
We all know what happened to that...
Work on the mobile site. Have a site thats robust and optimized and youll do fine with user access no matter the platform. Instead your splitting resources between site and app.
You can „install“ websites as apps. Just do that with floatplane and we'll be fine.
rGunti Gaming except PWAs are still pretty shit on iOS. You can’t install them, only bookmark them, which will take you to your full browser with tabs etc.
evandarkfire PWAs work on ios fullscreen, just gotta add them to the home screen bro
@@evancrazyerror If a site isn't setup to work as a PWA then yeah it'll just show up as a bookmark, but if the site is specifically built with PWA capabilities "enabled" then it'll appear like any other app.
Applemafia: "look it would be terrible if something happen to your app... But if you pay us for protection, you will find that you can do things more safely..."
Eh?
Ahahhaha
"Yould"... what the f is this word?
i read that in the Fat Tony voice lol
@@rorschacht8478 sorry, corrected
Note to iOS Floatplane users: maybe you should use the web version instead
Buy a better phone more like
or rather buy an android phone
アニメAnimeIsArt I could answer with other things, but I’ll go with the simplest one, but if you already have an iPhone, maybe it’s easier to circumvent its weaknesses that a buy a whole new phone
Web apps are the future anyway,like for basic productivity,Google's docs,slides,excel rip-off,and so on,are good enough for anyone.
@@Nickxis Never buying an Android phone, ever, unless Google suddenly changes their entire revenue model (Which won't happen). Google is the absolute devil when it comes to user data, I wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole. I'd rather find a more annoying way around the issue, than buy an Android phone.
Why put the time and money into it? Make the mobile site full-featured and responsive, and screw the app
True, I don't get why they just got rid of like all the functions for the app only for 1 stupid IOS app
Mobile site will never be as responsive as a native app. That is why companies opt for native app whenever they can afford it.
I really wish all apps would do this, it seems they gimp the mobile website even to drive people to use yet another stupid app.
I agree, but it should be noted Apple purposefully makes Safari trash-tier to drive developers to make native apps. I say this as both a native app developer and a web designer. Safari is hot garbage, and every browser on iOS is required to use the underlying Safari engine, so Chrome/Firefox are just custom UI on Safari's terrible web engine.
I would also say: When Apple don't want us on their devices - fuck 'em. I always give my listeners several options, where they can find my radio show - not only itunes. Also methods where they don't need to subscripe to anything.
Talking about finding other creators, not seeing other tiers...
How the feck does Patreon exist on iOS then? This is pure favouritism.
Yeah, Apple has some serious double standards
@@kecvu one standard. Money good !
Ju Lien But they would still get more money if floatplane was on the IOS store fully featured, so your comment makes no sense
@@leonmuller8475 No, they wouldn't; that's the whole point, to not give Apple the 30% cut they ask if you use their payment API, which they force developers to use. They'd use a payment system through the Floatplane website or similar to not give Apple the cut
AWildGamerAppeared Yeah not directly, but imagine if Apple was consistent with their policy. Then many more people would like Apple and use their products and services thereby making Apple more money.
Isn’t this similar to Spotify’s issues. Apple doesn’t allow them to add certain things on the iOS app because of the user experience. Totally not because of Apple Music...
How is RUclips still an iOS app...
Because RUclips has billions of dollars.
And if youtube would suddenly, you know disappear from apple store, Apples market share would fall very much, considering RUclips is an app that is used but 99% of people
@@adrianosefanovsko3476 i have wondered if part of why windows 10 phone died is because they couldnt convince youtube to put an app on there, i love my lumia 735 phone but its extremely irritating not to be able to use chrome or youtube or hangouts or anything i'm used to using, and if windows 10 on the desktop side didnt allow those apps to work i'd be looking for a new desktop operating system probably that did allow it.
@@isabellaereshki my first phone was a windows phone and I loved it too. The reason why I think it failed is because of the app support. There were so many apps that you couldn't download that it makes it a pain...
Adriano Šefanovsko RUclips would also lose so much money from pulling out of the Apple ecosystem that it would be corporate suicide
This sounds so backwards that, given enough money, you could make a legal case out of it.
It’s not illegal in the sense that you have to agree to their TOS which has this, but it is anti consumer, and could’ve been brought up at an anti trust case.
Almost as backwards as Linus' hat
@@evancrazyerror in the Eu at least the tos is worth less than used toilet paper
The one dislike is Tim Apple
He made 31 accounts just to dislike this
Actually the ghost of Steve Jobs
Luke can you release a full flushed out version of the iOS IPA file for Jailbroken users?
I agree lets get this going!
Probably would be a massive issue with Apple if they found out the IPA was being given out and result in the app being taken down.
I'm of the opinion screw apple at this point. Remove all the features from the app and make sure it just barely functions, then never do updates other than to keep it functioning. If apple want you to amputate your app, do it and tell all your users that it's apples fault that only the Android version has these features.
@@defvii Just don't buy apple trash
Add it to Cydia
Or make a Progressive Web App (they almost work like native ones and no jailbreak)
Apple rejected my app because it had very little user-generated content. I'm adding more user-generated content. but now I'm confused, they'll reject the app again for having user-generated content. Apple, what do you want?
Oh no no no no apple doesn't want user-generated content, especially in games. They want you to pay for level packs so you can send them their sweet 30% cut of all your profits and not have enough money to make a living wage. Oh! Booo hoooo Apple, the trillion-dollar company, needs 30% from people's apps so they don't go out of business because it would idk hurt their bottom line. It's not like app developers need money to support themselves and god forbid if they had a family to support too. Can apple just grow up and stop bullying all these small-time app developers. It's about time they do.
They want your money. Just all of it. Immediately.
Apple : *Gun pointing at you* Cough up all the money cuh!!
From my understanding apple doesn’t mind user generated content as long as there is a method of filtering and or flagging / reporting inappropriate content and then allowing the app the block users.
I could get over things like this if apple held all developers to the same standards, it's one thing to have your set of rules, it's another to pick and choose who has to follow them
try to deliver the app outside the apple store, like popcorn time or alt store, or create a web app that you can dock on your home screen, people wouldn’t care if it’s a webpage or an app, it would look the same
Oooh, a progressive web app that can be "installed" as an icon on one's launcher is a brilliant idea!
What are they going to do then? Ban Safari?
@@dylanh333 Don't allow push notifications, limit caching till iOS 13, don't allow styling the status bar freely, require a lot of steps for normal users to add the app to the home unlike android...
Apple haven’t put installable PWAs into iOS unlike Android for this reason.
It's iOS. There is no alternate store and no way to side-load applications unless you Jailbreak the phone. At best, you can place a bookmark to a website on the homescreens. Everything has to go under a review process, and as they pointed out in the video. There is no off-boarding process permitted in anyway. People will have to manually navigate to a website using a web browser to bypass the restrictions in place.
Amagys you can sideload apps without jailbreaking, you do have alternate stores and you can download from the net directly...
Just make an empty screen with the Floatplane logo and when you tap it, it says: "Apple doesn't want you to be here."
I would install that and give it 11 out of 10 stars or whatever it is apple uses.
honestly though this is a winning strategy + investment in a better web app that users could save to their home screens. upside is it'll always stay updated
If i recall correctly, the App Store Guidelines also have a requirement for some minimum level of functionality... this probably wouldn't fly.
Kinda reminds me of the app on ios years ago when ipod touch was a big thing, i believe it was called "i am rich" app cost $1000 and just had one button on the screen...
David Ciani add sudoku as a mini game and call it a day
Apple Guidelines are very questionable
non-disclosure of guidelines is also part of said guidelines from what I recall
@@sadmanh0 which is common practice I believe, but it should be a huge red flag
@Jack021 you sad apple fanboy ?
@Jack021 ohh I thought you were white Knighting apple
Floatplane could make an payment option for iOS user where they have to pay 40% more (140 -30%≈ 100), so they have all the features in the app. Just rise the cost for iOS user, if they want the features: they are allready used to pay a premium...
Apple does not allow that also, has to be same price for ios users
@@robby7997 That sounds like Apple. Only Apple has the right to make profit.
Yes, Apple doesn‘t allow that. But still RUclips Premium costs more when purchased over the iOS app than normally... UsEr ExPeRiEnCe!!!
sent from my iPhone
Robin van Leeuwen I don’t think so, I believe they do allow that. You can raise the price and make it different from the website.
@@rukevweb5674 no they don't, they talk about it later in the stream
Why even bother wasting money for an ios app at this point? All major developers should refuse do make apps for ios like a strike thing.
As is always the case, the potential revenue from entering this gap in the market whilst the rest strike would be alluring. Scabs ruin strikes.
@@jack_elliott And to add on, a lot of companies also have to honor agreements to users like yearly subscriptions, which a lawsuit would eat into their already shrinking revenue
Because if I'm a video creator considering FloatPlane and I see they don't have an iOS presence, it pretty much disqualifies the service from my consideration.
apparently apple has sold 1 trillion iphones and counting to date...huge pool of potential revenue...in some ways android is an underdog success story since it somehow dethroned and sidelined windows/microsoft and nokia and blackberry and palm etcetera, and somehow keeps duking it out with apple's iphones for market share each carying about half the us market roughly last i heard or something.
Isabella Rhoslyn I think you need to google what a trillion is
I have a similar issue regarding user content:
Do you have a report and block functionality in place, basically that's all they ask for...
It's funny, back 20 years ago apple was failing and Microsoft was the monopoly, and now Apple is the big bad monopoly we're angry at.
if not for microsfot turning down the 'ipod' concept and macintosh doing a hail mary play with it things could have been oh so much different.
Well apple is making the same mistakes as Microsoft a few years ago.
It's more getting to be Anti-Trust here again at this stage
....so how does youtube work on IOS? tt has all the same issues
Google can afford giving Apple the 30% cut, and they probably make a metric fuckton of dollars off it sooooo they look the other way..
As everything works in iOS - with Apple™️ magic™️. And in this particular case with magic™️ of hypocrisy™️
@@raymondberg7385 pretty sure youtube is big enough that if it wasn't on the app store it would be a determent to apple. So I highly doubt apple gets a 30% cut from google. your right about they making a fuckton tho.
Does your furry animal costume have a butt flap?
RUclips makes money with ads, which they don't need to pay Apple for. There aren't many RUclips premium user in total, and only a portion of them pay via Apple's Appstore. So it's a cut that Google can afford completely.
Make a web app type thing where you can add it to the homescreen. Through chrome or safari
Does iOS allow that now? Last time I had an iPhone I know for a fact it didn't.
Its called PWA and yes it does work under iOS
@@domminiksarchiv1007 iOS PWA support is still anemic compared to Android. Apple want to kill PWA as it's the biggest threat to their App store model. I'd still go PWA though, for sure.
On iOS the only option is safari, all other browsers are a skin
whats PWA
I like the idea of Floatplane to support creators but the problem is that it is built based on "missing" RUclips feature. If RUclips add a paid channel option for creators where subscribers will pay a small 3$-5$ fee to watch without ads and percentage of that money will go to creators then would this seriously compete with Floatplane, probably drive it out of business?
Quick question: does Apple takes a 30% cut of any items bought on the Amazon app? What about Ebay?
Right?? You know what the difference is? Amazon has $Billions to fight them legally.
"Welcome to the Apple walled garden! Please wear these handcuffs and a bag over your head. For your own protection of course ..."
Im so glad I can just download .apks from any shady website I desire, at my own risk ofc.
Just another reason to stay the hell away from Apple
I find it interesting that people who know about these limitations don't typically stop buying apple products. I knew about these practices when I switched FROM Samsung to apple. Its entirely possible that people are aware of these practices and just don't care because the product apple produces is better for what they need or want and they are acutely aware that means that certain apps won't be available or will have limited functionality because of apple's business practices.
Apple refused one of our apps on the app store because we had a swipe to order button. They said it's too like the way it is to unlock the iPhone...
that HASNT existed SINCE iOS 9
Apple what
that kind of thing is in the Capitol one app. tho in fairness to Apple theyre kind of right. The first time I swiped on it I got immediately confused. Probably because I havent seen that kind of UI function in iOS apps since apple has that rule tho.
@@thatpitter I'm well aware. I develop apps 😂 but it still shows the bullshit hoops developers have to get through to submit an app.
I hate apple bullshit but I’m kinda okay with this. I’ve seen too many pop ups that look like notifications or battery messages that are actually subscriptions or app ads.
Being an iOS developer in the past, they have been doing these annoyances for years. Had 2 apps taken down as we didn't use Apple In app payments (though client accepted in the end and added the payment method even though it was 'preferred' *forced*). App approval is hit and miss depending who did the testing. Website reference is big no no... Many other issues... 😒
I remember asking Luke at LTX 19 over a year ago. Since then I switched to Android. I am glad that I switched because of the wait and also the user experience. Not only with this app but apple in general. Apple sucks. Floatplane is amazing
To support user generated content you need to have a mechanism in place for flagging content and a policy in place for when/how the flagged content will be removed or reviewed.
I went through the same issue with apple a few years ago when I was releasing a video sharing app. It was a nightmare to to implement but it is possible to have user generated content as long as it can be moderated.
The arguments against doing everything in a PWA disappeared years ago. Unless you are making a 3D game, a decent dev can make one that is indistinguishable from a native app (especially if it's running on an iOS device, which has multi-core and a discrete GPU). Smaller orgs don't have the clout to do this and thrive, but LMG sure the hell does. Pull the plug on the app stores, make a single app that works on all devices (like your website already does) and tell the grifters in Cupertino to get bent. You literally have nothing to lose and a ton to gain.
I would also like to point out that Apple Broke the Android version of Shazam to make it on par with their iOS version of the app. They removed the QR Code scanner which made me really angry. 😡
I'm also not very happy that I can't set my Gmail to push inside of the Mail app, Apple really need to fix this ASAP. If you could mention these issues on next week's WAN Show it would be really appreciated.
Let’s say someone on the inside could leak an .ipa file from that original update cycle how would one get in contact with that person.... purely for research purposes
I really have no idea how this works, but there's not a chance apple takes 30% from Nike or any other shopping app, any chance you can put it in the shopping catagory?
I'll chip in $100 to sue the ever loving pants off Apple.
@jt thorsson as weird as it is microsoft has been kinda going proconsumer although it can lead to worse things
Give it to @LouisRossman, look him up on RUclips
@jt thorsson if you use google facebook instagram your already out there dude
@jt thorsson Why sue them, comrade, when we can revolt? Guillotines across the western world are being sharpened to an atomic point as we speak...
Even if everyone who watched this clip donated $100 to this cause, it would be pocket change for Apple, and it would probably last a few weeks only, considering how expensive lawsuits are these days.
I haven't used floatplane at all but it sounds like you should just push iOS users to the website and have a robust webapp instead of wasting development time trying to appease Apple. Obviously they're less desirable but can still be pretty robust and avoid a lot of headache considering you probably aren't going to be getting a lot of new users from them discovering floatplane via the app store.
this explains so many apps on the apple app store
And now Epic has sued Apple and Google for *exactly* the same reasons.
yeah just thinking that
I really hope the EU will mess them up. So damn annoying.
I want the EU to break up their Eurozone operations. Sorry, you cannot be the same company that makes the OS AND the hardware, and you must allow apps from outside your official store.
As a dev what I’d do ( I don’t know if it’s possible, but if it works you can hire me for more brilliant ideas) :
Put a simple subscribe button in the app under the sub form.
Create a nice responsive mobile view for subscriptions on your website.
The subscribe button send a message to the backend to send a specific generated e-mail to the user, which navigate to the website, where (with the given datas) he/she should only finish the payment.
Edit: missed the website part
Apps on iOS are reviewed by humans. They will catch this, but nice idea though.
“Luke you’re obviously an idiot” feels
Just a month ago I too had to remove external payment methods from an app at work. Actually, I knew about this restriction since like a year back, my lead did not believe me, lol.
With the suit by Epic against Apple, you should join them in it.
App stores should be regulated, if an app has it's own payment system, so long as its secure, the app store should not have the policy of limiting user choice.
Sounds to me like there is no point to even having an iOS app, why put the investment in when it just sounds like a web browser is going to be a better experience?
I think Apple might be holding a grudge against Linus. Why would nebula be approved but not floatplane
What if you just make a web app and pin that in the home screen?
They can't, any links or reference to their website is not allowed lol
@@sidharthraohejamadi4533 web apps aren't deployed through the app store. if you can pin a webpage, it would work.
@@thewhiteniinja But not everybody can find your website, app store is curated and recommends stuff. Web App will work for fans like us but will limit the app discoverability for public. Not to mention how these days most websites show you popups to allow notifications, the average user is more likely to click no on install popup out of habit without reading. Plus you miss out on tons of re-engagement using notifications
@@s.jaswinder What if they just advertised on the internet a page on their site that would instruct step by step to add the correct link on the screen? No app store would be involved.
@@enginerd80 Yes i understand that but as I said general public will not be willing to go through these additional steps because everyone else's app is a single click install. Their thinking will be create a proper app. Even though facebook offers an app literally with tons of privacy concerns, how many people do you see switching to their web app? Web app will never get the same popularity as a native app unless app stores fuck it up.
question:
I am not an app developer and i have neither published an app to iOS
I constantly read about the 30% cut.
Is it true though that after 12 months that cut goes down to 15% ? I have read that also.
In this case , although in the first year of the app will it generate less money for the developer, but after this it goes quite low, no?
I mean what would be the acceptable percentage for an app store to keep?
Why can RUclips do everything you listed?
Because RUclips is paying the 30% cut, Floatplane isnt making enough to do the same
RUclips is definitely not paying the 30% cut, it’s kind of useful when the CEO of Google was formerly on the Apple board of directors
smithydll Yes, they are, when you subscribe to YT Premium in the iOS app.
So I have a question. When did Apple's policies become law? Because the way everyone is treating it, it's like it's a firm rule that you cannot break.
My company used TestFlight to bypass apple restrictions
That's a good trick. But according to apple you are restricted to 10,000 users.
@@kusayfarhan9943 And the app expires.
And TestFlight betas still go through review
Are you guys serious?
4 double ads on a 10 minute video?
Each beeing 30 sec +?
Is this TV now?
"you take 30%"
Apple- oh don't pay any attention to that small small fee
Linus is now looking like a PC gaming Chad
You can do that and just release a tweak for jailbroken users that enables the full experience the same as it is on android
Just a idea for you linus
Now that explains a lot of the limitations of Patron app.
So how does Instagram, Twitter and other apps like RUclips get around this
They have money to throw at Apple. Lots and lots of money.
It’s so weird and arbitrary-there are tons of forums- like SA, which is deffo not family friendly-with robust and well-developed apps going for years. It feels like they got in early, and that’s the only reason why they’re there. Like, if SA or reddit or whatever tried to submit apps in 2020, would they be denied?
funny this is why xbox xcloud won't come out on apple devices
In China app developers took a simple approach, they just raise IAP price for cross platform app on iOS for around 30% because with the more popular payment options the cut is only around 1%.
We built a www.kiwistrippers.co.nz app for strippers, so customers could browse, pick who they wanted, and book actual dancers / promo models etc for their stag / hen parties, party buses, etc. After developing a fully working app, apple said no, as some customers (not our target audience) might be offended by it. It's a monopoly, that's unfair on legal companies. The whole point of the app was to make it safer for our dancers at jobs, automate things like uber etc.
-Reported for spam and advertisements-
I feel like they're more likely to approve a stripped down version at first and then you can introduce those things in updates
The whole thing that you can't subscribe to other creators / even find them on your app is also based on your business model for floatplane where you need to subscribe to every creator separately. The other video service that the science community is pushing hard now doesn't have this problem since you pay a flat fee and then you can see all the content from all the creators on there. But you also can't subscribe to the platform through the app.
The science community? Please tell me about this app, I must know- FOR SCIENCE!
Shawn Daniels *FOR SCIENCE!!*
I guess this is curiosity stream / nebula yes?
backtim8r I don’t know, but if we start spamming *FOR SCIENCE!* ,they might tell us.
Um *FOR SCIENCE*, I suppose.
The reason why they refused it for user generated content is probably because you didn’t have a report button or something...at least it was for others that I know.
Didn't Microsoft get fined for behaviour like this? This behaviour should be illegal at the very least in the EU. Sadly Apple knows you don't have the cash to sue them.
Maybe release the floatplane app as an .ipa for iOS and or Jailbreak users to be sideloaded?
To Apple uses: this is the "ecosystem" you bought into, an "ecosystem" that kills itself dead in its tracks; good job. Also, that "ecosystem" claims to prioritize one thing (user experience) when in reality (let's face it) prioritizes another (money)
I think you should review your code and contact the support as there might be loopholes that can bring problems and may restrict your service
This my friends, is the VERY bad part about closed ecosystems
As an Apple app developer I am disappointed in how Apple have handled this. The payment gateway thing, whilst I don't agree with it I also understand Apple's stance both from a revenue and UX standpoint. However the user generated content and opening your own website from within the app stuff is just stupid and I don't understand why they are blocking those.
Because even though you are a nice guy and would never hurt a fly, there are a bunch of people who would redirect people to scams to steal their identity and money. Just visit some of your favorite sites and you see the redirect to "Upgrade Your Flash" or automatically downloading files, etc... Out of the 8+ billion people there are only 5 ppl like you who wouldn't try to hurt people for their own gain.
@@mogulverse You can protect the end user to a point, after that common sense needs to come into it. My email client allows me to open links in emails, sure if the developer or Apple prevented this I would never be able to follow a scam email link... but I also wouldn't be able to follow legitimate links. So Apple and the developer of the email client allows this, hoping that some end user common sense will be used.
It would be reasonable for Apple to require apps to use Apple's payment processing and subscription management systems. What isn't working is the 30% cut. That may be fine for intangible goods that have no marginal cost to the developer (the game coins example) but completely falls apart when the developer has marginal costs on the content delivered in the app.
What I would like to see is Apple "unbundle" the App distribution services they offer to developers. Sell the software distribution/delivery, App Store discovery/marketing, payment processing, subscription management, etc. services separately with pricing that reflects the value of each of those services.
Luke, just charge 30% more for subscriptions in the iOS app. It’s as simple as that.
Math does not work that way..
They replied to a superchat later that Apple ddoesn't allow that (charging extra to iOS users to avoid the 30% cut)
@@Conjo Huh, but Twitch does that. (technically speaking they're selling tokens you can spend on subscription instead of buying subscription directly as you do on desktop)
He would have to set it to almost 43% higher. 1/0.7=1.428...
Percentages don't work like that
HOW does RUclips have an app if Apple is restricting Floatplane? How does TikTok exist? Wtf
And once again another reason not to join the isheep.
An Apple Arcade ad.. poetic
Sick burn, or harsh truth? Speaking from someone who is a recovering DLC addict, I lean toward the latter.
DLC addict?
@@haniffaris8917 someone shit with money
So they allow big social media companies (which probably pay them) onto their service but nobody else who wants to provide a UGC platform, and people argue that they aren't monopolistic?!
And the saga with the trashOS (iOS) continues now with Floatplane 🤔
Please develop a parallel app for jailbroken devices or even a one time release with minor bug fixes to minimize development cost...
will never buy anything from this evil company
Point number 2... Luke is saying that can't afford 30%. In my opinion, it's wrong. There are not many businesses when you know upfront what is your margin, cost etc. 30% is known from the beginning of App Store. If you don't like it look for other options or build your service around web experience..Simple as that.
Love you Linus 😘
I love you more than I love Linus
Gay
@@MostafaElSakari so what?
Just make it a very mobile friendly website and forget the app
Apple : Shut up and give me the moneeeeyy!!
If you dont like apples practices, dont list on the app store. If enough people dont list on the app store, Apple will change (see xbox one having to change in response to people not buying it).
If you can't do this, I don't really see how this is anyone's problem aside from your own for being so reliant on an app store. It's 2020, is the Play store + a web app not enough?
I also dont see an issue with app stores being strict on what apps can and cant do and the problems that come with that as a developer. At the end of the day I've had 0 virus related issues from apps downloaded from the app store. I know that the ones discussed in this video dont directly relate to security, but many issues do. This is the trade off for being strict on apps, a net positive for the user imo.
i am sorry but that seems kinda stupid on your part. Its nothing new that you can't have your own payment option. often prices for subscriptions just add the 30% on iOS or you have to sign up outside of iOS..... how is this any problem?
Well, that's not the main problem here. Apple has the right to do stuff like that. The problem is the fact that Apple is a hypocrite. They hold different standards for different apps.
yeah seriously... i find it rather hard to sympathize when these rules have been pretty obviously in place for app publishers for a long-ass time and yet they're still *shocked* when they're hit by the rules.
Except apple lets other companies do it such as netflix, they are picking on the little guy. plus it gives apple a monopoly on the Iphone market as there is no other app store for apple unlike android
cook testify in front of congress that he treat every app the same yet we have different treatment here. that's lying in front of a judge
They didn’t include the response yo your quest in this short clip but according to luke in the full wan show they explicitly prohibit a price increase for ios only too.
If you try to pause the video you can see that the pause button is slightly off from the divider between the two face cams.
I wish everyday cell users would realize there's more than just *buy an iPhone and I'm good* type of thinking. Reasons why Android is better for everyone as a whole.
Also the reason why so many Android users get scammed and phones get infected. The idea that the world is full of good developers who wouldn't rob your information and money is naive at best and I honestly think Google purposely allows this because as long as they get your advertising data they don't care. They can do better, but from the years of bad user experience on Android they haven't really fixed the problem for their users.
I know anecdotal experience means close to nothing, but I started with Android as my first smart device. Used different brands across the spectrum, and have never had any incidents, nor do I recall hearing about someone having an "infected" device. Def not saying they are perfect, but to say so many users get scammed seems like a mislead generalization. 🤷♂️
A local non-profit organization's app is refused to be allowed on the platform, because they.. uh.. have payed membership? Via bank transfer and a google form on their website under one heading? Not even mentioned in the app or anything?
They demand that *all* membership payments even not under the iphone app go through their API. I am pretty sure that the situation is just because that one reviewer at apple has misunderstood their guidelines completely, but good luck getting that fixed.
Can we get more content from LTT floatplane pleaseeee i would just love to see even behind the scene blogs. More raw content the better
Totally agree that Apple is wrong on this, but they’re excuse is not user experience. They’re very upfront about wanting the 30%. In fact if you sell goods and services that are “outside” of the app (Uber or Amazon) you can use whatever payment processor you like. So in that case they don’t care about user experience. Sucks either way.
You should just provide the app, as it is, and require a jailbreak-ed iPhone!
People with jailbroken iphones wont pay to watch flowplane either.
@@eedetv9062 People with jailbreaked iPhones are still people with iPhones. They still bought a waaay too expensive phone, just for the brand. I think they would pay for floatplane too.
I walked into a Burger King and was SOOO mad they didnt let McDonalds serve Big Macs in their stores.