Apple is WRECKING the Floatplane iPhone App
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"No user generated content" unless you're Twitter, or Facebook, or anyone who can afford to fight you legally.
It's not about that. Apple doesn't want to lose customers by, potentially, pissing off the big apps. Apps like Facebook can survive without iOS and could kill iOS if they were to bounce due to these restrictions.
@@willo1345 even so, it's one rule for one and another for everyone else.
I know, it's one of the reasons I can't stand Apple. Extremely anti consumer.
The thing is that games in xcloud are as big as normal apps, video and comments not
@@willo1345 Yeah, if Apple banned RUclips, Facebook, Twitter they would see their market share drop like a brick. Stuff like youtube is so essential these days for many people that they could probably reach windows phone market share levels when they ban it. Maybe not overnight but I doubt they would sell many new phones if they did. Floatplane on the other hand? Wont make much impact for them
Backwards hat beard Linus is totally rad.
All it took was a global plandemic for our little boy to hit puberty.
rad n chad
lookin like a dude perfect member
Chad Linus
I may be rad, but im also sad
This issue deserves a disappointed Linus rant on the main channel.
Agree!
Don’t cut down your app.
Contact news outlets and post this on Twitter. Apple is taking heat for this already, fan the flames.
What Apple is doing is wrong. People are noticing. Keep being the squeaky wheel.
Beltalowda exactly this. The more developers call out Apple for their anti-consumer App Store rules, the more it’ll get media attention.
It's better if the consumer give tips to the news outlet and or consumer protection agency.
Edit: so it more like consumer complaints than angry developers rant
They (Apple) stick to their guns on these sorts of things to a fault. I understand it takes a lot of effort to upkeep a walled garden. But a walled garden is not useful if you can't do anything but look at the fancy bezels and the pretty interface
And higher the prices on apple by saying poces x plus 30% apple tax just like Spotify ones did where ios was more expensive then android
publish an app in the apple app store has always be a horror , and it will always be, make it public change nothing
yes youtube is capable of moderating comments. yes. yes. yes. yes.
Is that a jojo?
@@yalfi7585 sounds like it lol
@@yalfi7585 it mostly gave me john f. kennedy vibes
they already do lol
Apple: nO USeR GeNEraTEd ConTEnt
Tiktok: *exists solely on user generated content*
See also: RUclips, Reddit, Vine/Byte, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Soundcloud (although you cannot upload on mobile), Spotify, Steam (yes there is a steam app), any mail app....
zRiddick you certainly can upload on the soundcloud mobile app
Also "No porn on my christian appstore" unless you enable it outside the app then it's fine
I think once an alternative reddit client was banned because "You can see porn in the app" while you could do the same on the official app lmao (The app was later re-allowed)
it is what was pointed out in the video - Apple can decide on his own - would it allow it or not. If App is big enough and use their 30% bribery system, they could close the eyes to another things.
Normal ppl already forgot what Apple is ..coz there a lot of better solutions, but there are still ones who like to be a slave
We all know what happened to that...
LOL
REDDIT is fine on IOS and I can find links to pirated content, porn, political commentary etc.
Apple is truly being Apple in the same way RUclips applies their "community Guidelines"
Lol. I didn't think about that. Reddit is literally the worst if you consider user generated stuff such as comments. Damn Apple really has double standards
How about just the internet in general
@@Mrmegaminergames well, internet is not an iOS app. Browsers are safe and secure.
@@kecvu thanks i needed a laugh. browsers are safe and secure...so funny.. ever since i first learned how to use a computer i've been taught the only secure computer is one with no connection wireless or wired to the internet and one that has no kind of programming port bios/flash update port, or any kind of usb port on it or readily accessible...lol.
@@kecvu yeah no, just no
Applemafia: "look it would be terrible if something happen to your app... But if you pay us for protection, you will find that you can do things more safely..."
Eh?
Ahahhaha
"Yould"... what the f is this word?
i read that in the Fat Tony voice lol
@@rorschacht8478 sorry, corrected
Luke. The phrase you wanted is "Selling Intangibles". It's a made up thing that the app developer can deliver in infinite quantity at no cost to them.
Lol I like the way he said it better. Even I spent money on that junk.
"no cost". really?
@@sayamqazi It's virtual currency. Of course there's no cost.
@@waldolemmer Well, you have initial costs needed to develop the app, art, and stuff like that. Then you have running costs like employees to run the business, server costs and programmers to continue developing the app. So it's not like actually free to serve up the dumb coins
@@aleph6707 You are mixing business model and Intangible items...
The items are delivered at no cost as they are created automatically upon purchase and cost nothing to ''produce''
All the employees, servers etc you are describing are not related at all to the coins... coins are a source of revenue in the business model.. employees are not a cost to it..
Work on the mobile site. Have a site thats robust and optimized and youll do fine with user access no matter the platform. Instead your splitting resources between site and app.
You can „install“ websites as apps. Just do that with floatplane and we'll be fine.
rGunti Gaming except PWAs are still pretty shit on iOS. You can’t install them, only bookmark them, which will take you to your full browser with tabs etc.
evandarkfire PWAs work on ios fullscreen, just gotta add them to the home screen bro
@@evancrazyerror If a site isn't setup to work as a PWA then yeah it'll just show up as a bookmark, but if the site is specifically built with PWA capabilities "enabled" then it'll appear like any other app.
Note to iOS Floatplane users: maybe you should use the web version instead
Buy a better phone more like
or rather buy an android phone
アニメAnimeIsArt I could answer with other things, but I’ll go with the simplest one, but if you already have an iPhone, maybe it’s easier to circumvent its weaknesses that a buy a whole new phone
Web apps are the future anyway,like for basic productivity,Google's docs,slides,excel rip-off,and so on,are good enough for anyone.
@@Nickxis Never buying an Android phone, ever, unless Google suddenly changes their entire revenue model (Which won't happen). Google is the absolute devil when it comes to user data, I wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole. I'd rather find a more annoying way around the issue, than buy an Android phone.
This sounds so backwards that, given enough money, you could make a legal case out of it.
It’s not illegal in the sense that you have to agree to their TOS which has this, but it is anti consumer, and could’ve been brought up at an anti trust case.
Almost as backwards as Linus' hat
@@evancrazyerror in the Eu at least the tos is worth less than used toilet paper
How is RUclips still an iOS app...
Because RUclips has billions of dollars.
And if youtube would suddenly, you know disappear from apple store, Apples market share would fall very much, considering RUclips is an app that is used but 99% of people
@@adrianosefanovsko3476 i have wondered if part of why windows 10 phone died is because they couldnt convince youtube to put an app on there, i love my lumia 735 phone but its extremely irritating not to be able to use chrome or youtube or hangouts or anything i'm used to using, and if windows 10 on the desktop side didnt allow those apps to work i'd be looking for a new desktop operating system probably that did allow it.
@@isabellaereshki my first phone was a windows phone and I loved it too. The reason why I think it failed is because of the app support. There were so many apps that you couldn't download that it makes it a pain...
Adriano Šefanovsko RUclips would also lose so much money from pulling out of the Apple ecosystem that it would be corporate suicide
Isn’t this similar to Spotify’s issues. Apple doesn’t allow them to add certain things on the iOS app because of the user experience. Totally not because of Apple Music...
Why put the time and money into it? Make the mobile site full-featured and responsive, and screw the app
True, I don't get why they just got rid of like all the functions for the app only for 1 stupid IOS app
Mobile site will never be as responsive as a native app. That is why companies opt for native app whenever they can afford it.
I really wish all apps would do this, it seems they gimp the mobile website even to drive people to use yet another stupid app.
Yeah, good luck making a good video player, and with HTTP streaming at that, in a web browser. You ever noticed that every single site on iPhone uses the same default video player? They wouldn’t if they had any other option.
I agree, but it should be noted Apple purposefully makes Safari trash-tier to drive developers to make native apps. I say this as both a native app developer and a web designer. Safari is hot garbage, and every browser on iOS is required to use the underlying Safari engine, so Chrome/Firefox are just custom UI on Safari's terrible web engine.
Talking about finding other creators, not seeing other tiers...
How the feck does Patreon exist on iOS then? This is pure favouritism.
Yeah, Apple has some serious double standards
@@kecvu one standard. Money good !
Ju Lien But they would still get more money if floatplane was on the IOS store fully featured, so your comment makes no sense
@@leonmuller8475 No, they wouldn't; that's the whole point, to not give Apple the 30% cut they ask if you use their payment API, which they force developers to use. They'd use a payment system through the Floatplane website or similar to not give Apple the cut
AWildGamerAppeared Yeah not directly, but imagine if Apple was consistent with their policy. Then many more people would like Apple and use their products and services thereby making Apple more money.
The one dislike is Tim Apple
He made 31 accounts just to dislike this
Actually the ghost of Steve Jobs
Just make an empty screen with the Floatplane logo and when you tap it, it says: "Apple doesn't want you to be here."
I would install that and give it 11 out of 10 stars or whatever it is apple uses.
honestly though this is a winning strategy + investment in a better web app that users could save to their home screens. upside is it'll always stay updated
If i recall correctly, the App Store Guidelines also have a requirement for some minimum level of functionality... this probably wouldn't fly.
Kinda reminds me of the app on ios years ago when ipod touch was a big thing, i believe it was called "i am rich" app cost $1000 and just had one button on the screen...
David Ciani add sudoku as a mini game and call it a day
Apple rejected my app because it had very little user-generated content. I'm adding more user-generated content. but now I'm confused, they'll reject the app again for having user-generated content. Apple, what do you want?
Oh no no no no apple doesn't want user-generated content, especially in games. They want you to pay for level packs so you can send them their sweet 30% cut of all your profits and not have enough money to make a living wage. Oh! Booo hoooo Apple, the trillion-dollar company, needs 30% from people's apps so they don't go out of business because it would idk hurt their bottom line. It's not like app developers need money to support themselves and god forbid if they had a family to support too. Can apple just grow up and stop bullying all these small-time app developers. It's about time they do.
They want your money. Just all of it. Immediately.
Apple : *Gun pointing at you* Cough up all the money cuh!!
From my understanding apple doesn’t mind user generated content as long as there is a method of filtering and or flagging / reporting inappropriate content and then allowing the app the block users.
Luke can you release a full flushed out version of the iOS IPA file for Jailbroken users?
I agree lets get this going!
Probably would be a massive issue with Apple if they found out the IPA was being given out and result in the app being taken down.
I'm of the opinion screw apple at this point. Remove all the features from the app and make sure it just barely functions, then never do updates other than to keep it functioning. If apple want you to amputate your app, do it and tell all your users that it's apples fault that only the Android version has these features.
@@defvii Just don't buy apple trash
Add it to Cydia
Or make a Progressive Web App (they almost work like native ones and no jailbreak)
I could get over things like this if apple held all developers to the same standards, it's one thing to have your set of rules, it's another to pick and choose who has to follow them
"Welcome to the Apple walled garden! Please wear these handcuffs and a bag over your head. For your own protection of course ..."
Im so glad I can just download .apks from any shady website I desire, at my own risk ofc.
Apple Guidelines are very questionable
non-disclosure of guidelines is also part of said guidelines from what I recall
@@sadmanh0 which is common practice I believe, but it should be a huge red flag
@Jack021 you sad apple fanboy ?
@Jack021 ohh I thought you were white Knighting apple
try to deliver the app outside the apple store, like popcorn time or alt store, or create a web app that you can dock on your home screen, people wouldn’t care if it’s a webpage or an app, it would look the same
Oooh, a progressive web app that can be "installed" as an icon on one's launcher is a brilliant idea!
What are they going to do then? Ban Safari?
@@dylanh333 Don't allow push notifications, limit caching till iOS 13, don't allow styling the status bar freely, require a lot of steps for normal users to add the app to the home unlike android...
Apple haven’t put installable PWAs into iOS unlike Android for this reason.
It's iOS. There is no alternate store and no way to side-load applications unless you Jailbreak the phone. At best, you can place a bookmark to a website on the homescreens. Everything has to go under a review process, and as they pointed out in the video. There is no off-boarding process permitted in anyway. People will have to manually navigate to a website using a web browser to bypass the restrictions in place.
Amagys you can sideload apps without jailbreaking, you do have alternate stores and you can download from the net directly...
It's funny, back 20 years ago apple was failing and Microsoft was the monopoly, and now Apple is the big bad monopoly we're angry at.
if not for microsfot turning down the 'ipod' concept and macintosh doing a hail mary play with it things could have been oh so much different.
Well apple is making the same mistakes as Microsoft a few years ago.
It's more getting to be Anti-Trust here again at this stage
Floatplane could make an payment option for iOS user where they have to pay 40% more (140 -30%≈ 100), so they have all the features in the app. Just rise the cost for iOS user, if they want the features: they are allready used to pay a premium...
Apple does not allow that also, has to be same price for ios users
@@robby7997 That sounds like Apple. Only Apple has the right to make profit.
Yes, Apple doesn‘t allow that. But still RUclips Premium costs more when purchased over the iOS app than normally... UsEr ExPeRiEnCe!!!
sent from my iPhone
Robin van Leeuwen I don’t think so, I believe they do allow that. You can raise the price and make it different from the website.
@@rukevweb5674 no they don't, they talk about it later in the stream
Why even bother wasting money for an ios app at this point? All major developers should refuse do make apps for ios like a strike thing.
As is always the case, the potential revenue from entering this gap in the market whilst the rest strike would be alluring. Scabs ruin strikes.
@@jack_elliott And to add on, a lot of companies also have to honor agreements to users like yearly subscriptions, which a lawsuit would eat into their already shrinking revenue
Because if I'm a video creator considering FloatPlane and I see they don't have an iOS presence, it pretty much disqualifies the service from my consideration.
apparently apple has sold 1 trillion iphones and counting to date...huge pool of potential revenue...in some ways android is an underdog success story since it somehow dethroned and sidelined windows/microsoft and nokia and blackberry and palm etcetera, and somehow keeps duking it out with apple's iphones for market share each carying about half the us market roughly last i heard or something.
Isabella Rhoslyn I think you need to google what a trillion is
I have a similar issue regarding user content:
Do you have a report and block functionality in place, basically that's all they ask for...
Just another reason to stay the hell away from Apple
....so how does youtube work on IOS? tt has all the same issues
Google can afford giving Apple the 30% cut, and they probably make a metric fuckton of dollars off it sooooo they look the other way..
As everything works in iOS - with Apple™️ magic™️. And in this particular case with magic™️ of hypocrisy™️
@@raymondberg7385 pretty sure youtube is big enough that if it wasn't on the app store it would be a determent to apple. So I highly doubt apple gets a 30% cut from google. your right about they making a fuckton tho.
Does your furry animal costume have a butt flap?
RUclips makes money with ads, which they don't need to pay Apple for. There aren't many RUclips premium user in total, and only a portion of them pay via Apple's Appstore. So it's a cut that Google can afford completely.
Quick question: does Apple takes a 30% cut of any items bought on the Amazon app? What about Ebay?
Right?? You know what the difference is? Amazon has $Billions to fight them legally.
Make a web app type thing where you can add it to the homescreen. Through chrome or safari
Does iOS allow that now? Last time I had an iPhone I know for a fact it didn't.
Its called PWA and yes it does work under iOS
@@domminiksarchiv1007 iOS PWA support is still anemic compared to Android. Apple want to kill PWA as it's the biggest threat to their App store model. I'd still go PWA though, for sure.
On iOS the only option is safari, all other browsers are a skin
whats PWA
Apple refused one of our apps on the app store because we had a swipe to order button. They said it's too like the way it is to unlock the iPhone...
that HASNT existed SINCE iOS 9
Apple what
that kind of thing is in the Capitol one app. tho in fairness to Apple theyre kind of right. The first time I swiped on it I got immediately confused. Probably because I havent seen that kind of UI function in iOS apps since apple has that rule tho.
@@thatpitter I'm well aware. I develop apps 😂 but it still shows the bullshit hoops developers have to get through to submit an app.
I hate apple bullshit but I’m kinda okay with this. I’ve seen too many pop ups that look like notifications or battery messages that are actually subscriptions or app ads.
“Luke you’re obviously an idiot” feels
I'll chip in $100 to sue the ever loving pants off Apple.
@jt thorsson as weird as it is microsoft has been kinda going proconsumer although it can lead to worse things
Give it to @LouisRossman, look him up on RUclips
@jt thorsson if you use google facebook instagram your already out there dude
@jt thorsson Why sue them, comrade, when we can revolt? Guillotines across the western world are being sharpened to an atomic point as we speak...
Even if everyone who watched this clip donated $100 to this cause, it would be pocket change for Apple, and it would probably last a few weeks only, considering how expensive lawsuits are these days.
I remember asking Luke at LTX 19 over a year ago. Since then I switched to Android. I am glad that I switched because of the wait and also the user experience. Not only with this app but apple in general. Apple sucks. Floatplane is amazing
this explains so many apps on the apple app store
I really hope the EU will mess them up. So damn annoying.
I want the EU to break up their Eurozone operations. Sorry, you cannot be the same company that makes the OS AND the hardware, and you must allow apps from outside your official store.
Just a month ago I too had to remove external payment methods from an app at work. Actually, I knew about this restriction since like a year back, my lead did not believe me, lol.
Let’s say someone on the inside could leak an .ipa file from that original update cycle how would one get in contact with that person.... purely for research purposes
The arguments against doing everything in a PWA disappeared years ago. Unless you are making a 3D game, a decent dev can make one that is indistinguishable from a native app (especially if it's running on an iOS device, which has multi-core and a discrete GPU). Smaller orgs don't have the clout to do this and thrive, but LMG sure the hell does. Pull the plug on the app stores, make a single app that works on all devices (like your website already does) and tell the grifters in Cupertino to get bent. You literally have nothing to lose and a ton to gain.
Sounds to me like there is no point to even having an iOS app, why put the investment in when it just sounds like a web browser is going to be a better experience?
question:
I am not an app developer and i have neither published an app to iOS
I constantly read about the 30% cut.
Is it true though that after 12 months that cut goes down to 15% ? I have read that also.
In this case , although in the first year of the app will it generate less money for the developer, but after this it goes quite low, no?
I mean what would be the acceptable percentage for an app store to keep?
To support user generated content you need to have a mechanism in place for flagging content and a policy in place for when/how the flagged content will be removed or reviewed.
I went through the same issue with apple a few years ago when I was releasing a video sharing app. It was a nightmare to to implement but it is possible to have user generated content as long as it can be moderated.
"you take 30%"
Apple- oh don't pay any attention to that small small fee
With the suit by Epic against Apple, you should join them in it.
Being an iOS developer in the past, they have been doing these annoyances for years. Had 2 apps taken down as we didn't use Apple In app payments (though client accepted in the end and added the payment method even though it was 'preferred' *forced*). App approval is hit and miss depending who did the testing. Website reference is big no no... Many other issues... 😒
If you try to pause the video you can see that the pause button is slightly off from the divider between the two face cams.
You can do that and just release a tweak for jailbroken users that enables the full experience the same as it is on android
Just a idea for you linus
What if you just make a web app and pin that in the home screen?
They can't, any links or reference to their website is not allowed lol
@@sidharthraohejamadi4533 web apps aren't deployed through the app store. if you can pin a webpage, it would work.
@@thewhiteniinja But not everybody can find your website, app store is curated and recommends stuff. Web App will work for fans like us but will limit the app discoverability for public. Not to mention how these days most websites show you popups to allow notifications, the average user is more likely to click no on install popup out of habit without reading. Plus you miss out on tons of re-engagement using notifications
@@s.jaswinder What if they just advertised on the internet a page on their site that would instruct step by step to add the correct link on the screen? No app store would be involved.
@@enginerd80 Yes i understand that but as I said general public will not be willing to go through these additional steps because everyone else's app is a single click install. Their thinking will be create a proper app. Even though facebook offers an app literally with tons of privacy concerns, how many people do you see switching to their web app? Web app will never get the same popularity as a native app unless app stores fuck it up.
I think you should review your code and contact the support as there might be loopholes that can bring problems and may restrict your service
How does payment affect the user experience? I have never had a bad user experience in my iPhone when making payments in app
Why can RUclips do everything you listed?
Because RUclips is paying the 30% cut, Floatplane isnt making enough to do the same
RUclips is definitely not paying the 30% cut, it’s kind of useful when the CEO of Google was formerly on the Apple board of directors
smithydll Yes, they are, when you subscribe to YT Premium in the iOS app.
My company used TestFlight to bypass apple restrictions
That's a good trick. But according to apple you are restricted to 10,000 users.
@@kusayfarhan9943 And the app expires.
And TestFlight betas still go through review
I find it interesting that people who know about these limitations don't typically stop buying apple products. I knew about these practices when I switched FROM Samsung to apple. Its entirely possible that people are aware of these practices and just don't care because the product apple produces is better for what they need or want and they are acutely aware that means that certain apps won't be available or will have limited functionality because of apple's business practices.
I feel like they're more likely to approve a stripped down version at first and then you can introduce those things in updates
funny this is why xbox xcloud won't come out on apple devices
So how does Instagram, Twitter and other apps like RUclips get around this
They have money to throw at Apple. Lots and lots of money.
I like the idea of Floatplane to support creators but the problem is that it is built based on "missing" RUclips feature. If RUclips add a paid channel option for creators where subscribers will pay a small 3$-5$ fee to watch without ads and percentage of that money will go to creators then would this seriously compete with Floatplane, probably drive it out of business?
Can we get more content from LTT floatplane pleaseeee i would just love to see even behind the scene blogs. More raw content the better
Love you Linus 😘
I love you more than I love Linus
Gay
@@MostafaElSakari so what?
The whole thing that you can't subscribe to other creators / even find them on your app is also based on your business model for floatplane where you need to subscribe to every creator separately. The other video service that the science community is pushing hard now doesn't have this problem since you pay a flat fee and then you can see all the content from all the creators on there. But you also can't subscribe to the platform through the app.
The science community? Please tell me about this app, I must know- FOR SCIENCE!
Shawn Daniels *FOR SCIENCE!!*
I guess this is curiosity stream / nebula yes?
backtim8r I don’t know, but if we start spamming *FOR SCIENCE!* ,they might tell us.
Um *FOR SCIENCE*, I suppose.
Please develop a parallel app for jailbroken devices or even a one time release with minor bug fixes to minimize development cost...
How does this change now that apple announced the fee cut for small developers?
Didn't Microsoft get fined for behaviour like this? This behaviour should be illegal at the very least in the EU. Sadly Apple knows you don't have the cash to sue them.
To Apple uses: this is the "ecosystem" you bought into, an "ecosystem" that kills itself dead in its tracks; good job. Also, that "ecosystem" claims to prioritize one thing (user experience) when in reality (let's face it) prioritizes another (money)
Can we sideload it using altstore? Or nah you guys won't release that way either?
Ya, super annoying. I like to read, but already have a company issued iPad. To have to go to the website to buy kindle books, or something’s even on the amazon app have to go to the website to purchase something.
We built a www.kiwistrippers.co.nz app for strippers, so customers could browse, pick who they wanted, and book actual dancers / promo models etc for their stag / hen parties, party buses, etc. After developing a fully working app, apple said no, as some customers (not our target audience) might be offended by it. It's a monopoly, that's unfair on legal companies. The whole point of the app was to make it safer for our dancers at jobs, automate things like uber etc.
-Reported for spam and advertisements-
This my friends, is the VERY bad part about closed ecosystems
In China app developers took a simple approach, they just raise IAP price for cross platform app on iOS for around 30% because with the more popular payment options the cut is only around 1%.
HOW does RUclips have an app if Apple is restricting Floatplane? How does TikTok exist? Wtf
And once again another reason not to join the isheep.
Luke, just charge 30% more for subscriptions in the iOS app. It’s as simple as that.
Math does not work that way..
They replied to a superchat later that Apple ddoesn't allow that (charging extra to iOS users to avoid the 30% cut)
@@Conjo Huh, but Twitch does that. (technically speaking they're selling tokens you can spend on subscription instead of buying subscription directly as you do on desktop)
He would have to set it to almost 43% higher. 1/0.7=1.428...
Percentages don't work like that
Now that explains a lot of the limitations of Patron app.
If you dont like apples practices, dont list on the app store. If enough people dont list on the app store, Apple will change (see xbox one having to change in response to people not buying it).
If you can't do this, I don't really see how this is anyone's problem aside from your own for being so reliant on an app store. It's 2020, is the Play store + a web app not enough?
I also dont see an issue with app stores being strict on what apps can and cant do and the problems that come with that as a developer. At the end of the day I've had 0 virus related issues from apps downloaded from the app store. I know that the ones discussed in this video dont directly relate to security, but many issues do. This is the trade off for being strict on apps, a net positive for the user imo.
Sick burn, or harsh truth? Speaking from someone who is a recovering DLC addict, I lean toward the latter.
DLC addict?
@@haniffaris8917 someone shit with money
And the saga with the trashOS (iOS) continues now with Floatplane 🤔
What about Amazon prime in the Amazon app or ebay plus in the ebay app?
I would also like to point out that Apple Broke the Android version of Shazam to make it on par with their iOS version of the app. They removed the QR Code scanner which made me really angry. 😡
I'm also not very happy that I can't set my Gmail to push inside of the Mail app, Apple really need to fix this ASAP. If you could mention these issues on next week's WAN Show it would be really appreciated.
will never buy anything from this evil company
Apple : Shut up and give me the moneeeeyy!!
floatplane is hard to find on google, the only thing i find is the reddit links and twitter account. when u search floatplane u get stuff related to floatplane but not the website.
And now Epic has sued Apple and Google for *exactly* the same reasons.
yeah just thinking that
i am sorry but that seems kinda stupid on your part. Its nothing new that you can't have your own payment option. often prices for subscriptions just add the 30% on iOS or you have to sign up outside of iOS..... how is this any problem?
Well, that's not the main problem here. Apple has the right to do stuff like that. The problem is the fact that Apple is a hypocrite. They hold different standards for different apps.
yeah seriously... i find it rather hard to sympathize when these rules have been pretty obviously in place for app publishers for a long-ass time and yet they're still *shocked* when they're hit by the rules.
Except apple lets other companies do it such as netflix, they are picking on the little guy. plus it gives apple a monopoly on the Iphone market as there is no other app store for apple unlike android
cook testify in front of congress that he treat every app the same yet we have different treatment here. that's lying in front of a judge
They didn’t include the response yo your quest in this short clip but according to luke in the full wan show they explicitly prohibit a price increase for ios only too.
I wish everyday cell users would realize there's more than just *buy an iPhone and I'm good* type of thinking. Reasons why Android is better for everyone as a whole.
Also the reason why so many Android users get scammed and phones get infected. The idea that the world is full of good developers who wouldn't rob your information and money is naive at best and I honestly think Google purposely allows this because as long as they get your advertising data they don't care. They can do better, but from the years of bad user experience on Android they haven't really fixed the problem for their users.
I know anecdotal experience means close to nothing, but I started with Android as my first smart device. Used different brands across the spectrum, and have never had any incidents, nor do I recall hearing about someone having an "infected" device. Def not saying they are perfect, but to say so many users get scammed seems like a mislead generalization. 🤷♂️
Any update on this?
Wait so what about twitch and youtube premium? isn't that against the apple t&c?
So I have a question. When did Apple's policies become law? Because the way everyone is treating it, it's like it's a firm rule that you cannot break.
It’s so weird and arbitrary-there are tons of forums- like SA, which is deffo not family friendly-with robust and well-developed apps going for years. It feels like they got in early, and that’s the only reason why they’re there. Like, if SA or reddit or whatever tried to submit apps in 2020, would they be denied?
At this point, is a dedicated app even worth it? Or is the browser on Ios so crap the website doesn't work on it?
Why can’t people create an account on a website that’s paid then use that account to login to float plane I have no connection between the two except that it gives you your login
As a dev what I’d do ( I don’t know if it’s possible, but if it works you can hire me for more brilliant ideas) :
Put a simple subscribe button in the app under the sub form.
Create a nice responsive mobile view for subscriptions on your website.
The subscribe button send a message to the backend to send a specific generated e-mail to the user, which navigate to the website, where (with the given datas) he/she should only finish the payment.
Edit: missed the website part
Apps on iOS are reviewed by humans. They will catch this, but nice idea though.
Would a PWA for iOS be an alternative option?
What headphones is Linus wearing?
App stores should be regulated, if an app has it's own payment system, so long as its secure, the app store should not have the policy of limiting user choice.
How does Venmo get around this? Or like any investing or banking app?
They are huge apps, with big company backing.
They have a shit ton of money to throw at Apple to where Apple just overlooks it. So it's basically either pay Apple a ton of money or find a way to follow their shitty rules.
Apple may also ask you to send them all hardware your app works with in order to verify it. (Aka fitness bands, headphones, etc) Cool, isn't it?
Why not make a web app (using the 'add to home screen' button)?
Familiar stuff on their heads. Just today I got my (used) HD-650s, and retired my HD-598s. The Beautiful cream/beige coloured ones, of course. Dad's gonna blow his ears off when I give them to him, he's had my foam modded 555s for years now.