Buddy Rich and Ed Shaughnessy Play Drums on "The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson" - 1978
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- Buddy Rich and Ed Shaughnessy play drums together on "The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson" in 1978.
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The real winner is me, the viewer.
+Tempo Nelson Such a wonderful display of drumming.
Indeed. There is almost always an underlying tone of competitiveness amongst top-shelf musicians, even if they are friends. Iron sharpens iron...and the audience benefits most from it. Great performance...
@@catboyzee Anyone else get the feeling that this wasn't the first time these guys had seen a drum kit?
I've wstched a lot of Buddy Rich in my day and this has to be one of his finest performances. I think perhaps that having O'Shaughnesey right next to him brings out even more spirit in the music. And vice versa.
yes sir.
As arrogant as buddy could be, he loved and respected Eddie. That is what makes this video so fun.
Totally, and Eddie deserved it
It’s only arrogance if it is a false belief in yourself. If you were as good as Buddy, it’s just knowing the truth
Buddy Rich was very intense and knew who he was -- no sin there. Some saw/see that as arrogance. Understandable, but in my opinion not accurate.
I am of the opinion that Shaughnessy was seriously underrated, he can totally hold his own, and always looked like he was having the time of his life doing it.
I'm of the opinion that this sucks. No musical quality just stupid gymnastics.
@@juliosanchez95 That's why you're wrong.
Shaughnessy could swing too. Better than Buddy, IMO.
I say that as a fan of both.
Shaughnessy is very underrated.
@@juliosanchez95 It definitely has pretty substantial musicality, but you're right that it's partly an attempt at highlighting virtuosity and speed over the sort of carefully placed elements that both drummers are more than capable of. But, when you're soloing, you're not just filling and backing, you're the whole sound. Drummers can truly shine in the quality they introduce to a song when they switch up the beat or fill and change the character of the music, but when they're soloing they typically have to be the full sound. That's okay, though - sometimes that's warranted, and they know when it is, and that was definitely the point of a drum battle.
@@TheRealMarauder again, name one album of Buddy Rich that you think is high quality music. I hear crickets.
I remember my dad waking me up to see this. Was taking lessons a few years at the time. I just looked at my dad afterwards "You expect me to do THAT?"
Hahaha
Lol, why not?
As a drummer myself I’ve never seen a drummer do some of these things and I’ve seen some incredible drummers including Neil Peart,Jason Bonham,Alex Van Halen,Joey Kramer,Keith Carlock and Steve Gadd.
@@dcfanchris Steve Gadd is on a level on his own
Look for the episode where Johnny, Sammy Davis Jr., Eddie, and Buddy ALL play kits--then, the "pups" (Johnny and Sammy) sit down, while Ed & Buddy do some of what they did here. Late 70's-early 80's, I believe. I had to work dayshift--7AM start time--Drove an hour to work--I still stayed up to watch it! lol
Awesome, Ed Shaugnessy died today. May he forever be remembered for this incredible gift!
This comment may be ten years old but it still hurts
One night of The Tonight Show contained more entertainment that all of today's "reality" shows put together.
Yes
+bumperu Amen to that. The current Tonight Show is just garbage.
Really miss the class and quality of these shows. Late night shows now are in the sewer.
@@doitee52 And hell, half the people on Carson were drunk anyway! LOL
bumperu Should of retired the show after Johnny retired. Fallon sucks!
I saw this live and was blown away. For Ed Shaughnessy to have the balls to go up against arguably the greatest drummer who ever lived was amazing and what was even more stunning was that he more than held his own. Great performance.
Couldn't agree more.Ed gave up nothing here.This showed how great Ed was.He deserves more recognition.We won't see greatness like this again.
Yes Shaughnessy was underrated for sure. His talents were amazing but when your next buddy rich unfortunately it's no contest although like you say he did very well! The entire Tonight Show band was world-class musicians unappreciated in today's world. Doc Severinsen gray trumpet player and on and on. The thing that kills me is the kids today play covers very well to songs with with a cool modern drumming but when it comes to doing a solo they don't understand at all first of all there is no way to do it right holding the sticks with match grip. Also, do you think banging on 100 drums doing different things makes them a great soloist. They are good around the kids weren't playing a song but that's about it.
Have the balls? Ed holds his own with Rich. The Tonight Show Orchestra was the best on the planet.
You are part of the music fans history...
This is probably the most even drum battle I've ever seen with Buddy Rich
Jack Takahashi Ed gave rich a run for his money
Jack Takahashi Eddie was damn good. Anytime you hold your own and then some with Buddy Rich, you've done something there. God, I miss this...
What? Ed's sweatin' it while Buddy's breezin' through.
Even Krupa couldn't touch him. No one comes close.
I think I'd have to second that. You could see Rich's appreciation for the guy, afterwards, too - almost like he was thinking "finally, someone on my level to play with!"
SelectCircle check out Billy Cobham during his Horace Silver quintet days though. Good stuff!
Buddy once stated on the Tonight Show that Eddie Shaughnessy was his favorite drummer.
@Matt Polzkill Chick Webb and Gene Krupa too
little known fact: Ed Shaughnessy drew his drumming power from his mystic medallion
Fantastic comment.
Now we have beer pong on late night shows..
So true... I'm only 35 but modern pop culture is garbage
+mrjamesgrimes Well I'm 26, and I would rather kill myself than listen to pop music for the rest of my life
Take a joke man. And I know the bottom has fallen out, that's why I listen to metal, it's the most progressive music going today
+southsidesman Recorded music undermines itself. When I was a kid everything was new, but now there are millions of digital recordings available for free or for pennies. That makes it hard to come up with something new and good. The industry falls back on gimmicks and marketing. Computers create as many problems as they solve.
I recently saw a commercial on late night that said "Live Free. Couch Hard" So we're suppose to "live free" by not doing anything....my god
Shaughnessey loved Buddy and his drumming. He idolized the Man. We all did. Johnny Carson was a very good drummer himself!
Ed liked Bellson alot more
Shaughnessy is no slacker, damn great drummer
& I hear that Shaughnessy was self
taught.
Duel? No! Two old friends just jamming.
Well said!
Amen. But Buddy Rich STILL the G.O.A.T!!
For those who don't know, the chart played here is called Leggs. It was composed by Mike Barone.
Sizzling piece!
goldenagenut Agreed!!
@@dylangatenby9928 Docs band is so tight its unreal, what energy!
goldenagenut Truly the best band on television at that time period.
thank you!
The fact that Ed was willing to do a drum battle with Buddy shows just how much guts and enthusiasm he had. I don't know if I'd ever have the confidence to do that. I saw Buddy Rich live 3 or 4 times, and he was just on a different level from mere mortals when it came to playing the drums.
Ed was badass
Neil Peart would have approved of this, because even he said, there are so many jazz drummers out there that are better than him. However, with the coming technology, there are hundreds of drummers coming out that will surpass, Neil and even Buddy.
I had the pleasure of studying with Ed back in summer of 78 and he was a fountain of information. I learned more everyday from him that still sticks with me today. Weaker hand excercises, swing, time and feel, Indian rhythm. Just a an around great individual. Anyone that could hold that drum chair for 30 years on The Tonight Show had to cut the mustard 5 nights a week. Think about it, he had to back a different performance every night! R&B artists, Jazz, Rock, Country, Pop, you name it...Eddie Shaughnessy covered it all for 30 years! True he wasn't Buddy Rich, but he was a heck of a DRUMMER.
Other than maybe Neil Peart, who, in the history of music, who WAS Buddy Rich? Thats an impossible standard, and Ed more than held his own with the master
@@dgu4644 : Joe Morello was a FANTASTIC drummer.
The one man who made buddy rich work
@2:20 - Even decades later, this is still a "holy crap" moment in drumming. Unreal!
I remember recording this live in 1978 on a cheap cassette recorder. Yep, I still have the tape.
I don't believe anyone could keep up with Buddy Rich, but Ed Shaughnessy held his own. He made it to the finish line, which is an accomplishment in itself. Everyone in Carson's band was world class. Ed was a great drummer in his own right. This clip is one for the ages. Absolutely kicks ass. RIP, sir.
'Finally, A Worthy Opponent , Our Battle Will Be Legendary!'
Ed Shaughnessy held his own against Buddy Rich. Something not many drummers could do.
True............What these guys did here is almost beyond belief.
Yes while I havent seen EVERY drum battle Buddy DID Ive never seen one where he had to work harder to come out on top
Anything looks and sounds sloppy next to Buddy Rich but huge respects for Ed Shaughnessy great teacher as well..
@@rf396 but did he come out on top?
@@zombywoof9188 I believe I said that yes
Watch this boys. You won't see this again. Ever.
That is absolutely the best statement made so far. And not to mention very true.
Dear God, these men are just pure talent. What a joy to watch.
Shaughnessy's one handed roll's are amazing.
I feel like I just watched a magic show, lol that was incredible !
The Tonight Show Band, you can feel their energy, their excitement on the intro, you knew what was about to happen was going to be special,, and it was.
True! I noticed that and was thinking that, so I’m glad you said it here.
Both Ludwig kits...notice Buddy’s are tuned tighter.
Those cross overs of his... holy moly. 😳
Crossover and cross UNDERS. Sweet Jesus.
Yea, he was an athlete on drums, took up martial arts aside from percussion. I noticed Buddy looks to be playing a generation older Ludwig early 70's and Ed late 70's. I'd rather have Buddys drum kit. I thought the same with his tuning. Wound up tight and canned, not my favorite sound. At the speed he could play it , sounds great for him.
I'm no drummer expert but I noticed Buddy Rich's crossovers and unders
Beyond awesome! The smile on Shaughnessy says it all...the privilege of "dueling" with the greatest ever. What a total delight!
yeah, cocaine
Eddie gave it a valiant try but still fell short. It's so obvious Buddy was faster and more complex moves/
@@Etnalleb faster does not equal better
@@mattekudasai8249 LOL. So Buddy was faster but not better than Ed? LOL. That's totally hysterical.
@@IvoMaropo Does your girlfriend think faster is better?
Ask her boyfriend...
Ed's smile at 2:36 just cheers me up every time I watch this.
Honestly, where else would you have ever heard this percussion virtuosity??? Thanks Johnny! RIP to all of you!
nuts buddy was 60 when he laid this down....
Ed was a great ambassador for drumming. He brought the double bass drum kit into everyone's living room every night. He will be missed! RIP.
Jaw dropping! Way back when the Tonight Show was worth watching. Now we have The Roots? Give me a break.
And you at home, watching them on TV. So who's the winner here?
Winner? That's your point?
Ed was the only drummer who could do this…play on the same stage as Buddy and absolutely SMOKE it. A great player - truly one of the best, and a great drumming educator as well.
I gotta say as a rock fan and a jazz fan: this was some of the best damn drumming I've ever seen or ever will see. And, yeah, I've seen Bonham and Bill Cobham and so on, all great musicians, but these two lit up the stage. RIP, both of you!
Yeah man, Cobham is another amazing drummer indeed.
@Joel Cohn No argument intended but Kenny Aronoff should be considered rock drumming
royalty. People love to rave about their choice for greatest rock drummer, and I'm a Neil Peart
fan, but I've not seen anything like the Rich / Shaughnessy performance above.
@FAKETAXI SRT4 Lets play your platinum drumming back catalogue then shall we?
Thought not...
Two of the greatest drummers in the world, likes to never be seen again, RIP to you both.
At 02:00 Buddy does one of his trademark techniques where he plays sixteenth notes with his left hand on the snare.... one of the things only credited to Buddy at that time.... then over to Ed and bam... pulls out the same technique perfectly!.... you can tell by the look on his face he knew Buddy would notice that. Little things like that that let you know Ed S. was the real deal.
Yeah, despite being defeated, Ed showcased serious talent against a freak of nature like Buddy
Wow!
Buddy, the fastest most accurate drummer ever.
Joe Morello.
@@sunnyseacat6857LOL. Even Morello disagrees.
Ahhh, when the Tonight Show was good. Carson was awesome.
This dude was live on tv every night for three billion years, on the hottest nighttime show, and spot on all the time. Swing his ass off.
Lotta drummers grew up on Shaughnessy without realizing it.
From a former jazz then a hard rock drummer... I’m always amazed and learn something when I see these geniuses play... it only made me a better percussionist...
I met both these guys in the 70's. Both greats. Buddy was the greatest drummer of the 20th century but Ed was fabulous as well.
How on earth could anyone give this a thumbs down, one of the greats and the greatest going at it head to head, showing what they can do!
Guitar Player!
only retarded baboons dislike the vidio
Ed's no slouch, great drummer. Buddy Rich is like a well oiled European sports car. Loved these drum duels.
Buddy is the most relaxed , effortless , master of drums ever.
I think Ed was terribly underestimated. When people talk about greatest jazz drummers we think of Buddy, Louis, etc., but Ed is right up there with them.
2 OF THE FASTEST DRUMMERS EVER DONT GET IT TWISTED THE ED SHAUGNESSY WAS A BEAST YESSSSSSS GAWD
everytime Buddy makes a face, a clam gets its pearl.
Makes me smile every time I watch this. Love Ed, not intimidated at all by the master. Incredible performance by both. You can tell they loved each other. So much respect.
No disrespect to Buddy but Ed is a master in his own right, and a very hep kat.
Ed Shaughnessy was undersung as a drummer. I love the way he barely breaks a sweat through all this!
Saw this when it first aired, long before I became a drummer. Mystifying then. Absolutely thrilling to watch now! Ed was always incredible. Buddy had such an animal instinct and attack.
The speed and precision of these guys limbs is just ridiculous. Buddy doing the over then under the arm roll is crazy. Love how they both play in unison then solo their hearts out. Think Buddy loved that he had such a worthy drummer to solo with.
I have to see this every year (or every 6 months) just to get a kick out of watching two legendary drummers having a great time showing off.
I'm mainly a heavy rock drummer, but....I'm completely blown away. This is a clinic of precision, tuning, rudiments, and class. One drummer playing this is mind shattering. 2 playing, and often simultaneously, is indescribable.
Notice how tight Buddy’s drums are...especially his snare.
The snares are off, actually. He has it as a Tom, here.
This is an example of two great drummers giving it all they've got! Ed Shaughnessy proves here , once and for all, that he can hang with Buddy at least on this tune! Ed smoked here with this chart and played his heart out . PROPS TO BOTH !!!!
1978 never looked better than it does in 2023.
Really want to know why anyone would dislike this video? Two of the greatest drum performances of all time.
Who needs drugs when they can watch this phenomenal display of talent. Honestly, I am getting high just watching the masterful gamesmanship between BR and ES. Wow, wow, wow. Thank you for posting!
These guys were older men when I first watched the original airing. Now I'm 20 years older than they are in the video.
Exactly - and they seem to be having a whole lot of fun! You can see Buddy's influence on Ed, who could very be one of drumming's more overlooked and underrated players.
Great video!!
The moment ego goes out the window and your passion for the sound you're creating in the moment goes to work. Whomever put these two on stage for sure knew all along what was to come.
Okay, let me break it down for those of you who don't know the technicalities of drumming... Buddy Rich has a deep, St Tropez tan, but Ed Shaughnessy's mutton chops are swingin'. Ed's got a groovy amulet, but Buddy's got a chain of the finest gold filigree. Buddy's teeth are a super shade of dazzling white and Ed's got ...um...a super groovy amulet and a pair of bitchin' glasses. So, there you have it, the undisputed winner in this drum-a-rama.
😀
Sad that these guys are gone, but their drumming will play on and be heard forever!
Dig the mutual regard...
...they are not trying to cut each other, they are simply enjoying each other (more than any non-drummer watching this can possibly comprehend), and inspiring each other...
...and this magnificent display of musical talent was, more often than not, almost nightly, business-as-usual on the Carson "Tonight Show."
Children:
Study the Past, it contains Wonders.
tuxguys damn straight
Fact for most of what you mentioned. Yeah they were inspiring each other and competition as well , at least from Buddy Rich standpoint, anyone who's known him on or off stage could back that , he was a competitor in every sense, and undefeated at drums to this day - something another drummer could more than comprehend bud, including Ed and the rest of us.
Ed was such a student of the drums/percussion he took a 6 month sabbatical from his job, to travel to African villages, and study their drummers. Pretty impressive, to me... P.S. I'll never forget the night when Johnny, Sammy Davis Jr., Ed Shaughnessy, and Buddy ALL played at once. Pretty killer, until Johnny and Sammy (the puppies) went and sat down, while the "Big Dogs" got down, (tradin' 4's) kinda' like they did here. Had to have been in the late 1970's-early 80's when I saw that episode. Worked dayshift, drove an hour to work, started at 7AM, & I STILL stayed up & watched it! lol
How did Buddy cross over back and forth and play underneath his arm like that, incredible
Someone pick my jaw up off the floor, please.
I’d leave a comment, but my brain already melted
2:19 to 2:36 is the most incredible drum solo I've ever witnessed. Absolutely uncanny!
Ed unpacked it @ 2:36
I remember watching this as a sophomore in HS when it aired originally. Nothing like watching and listening to a good drum duel between two experts at the top of their profession. Eddie on his Ludwigs and Buddy on his Slingerlands. 😄👍🇺🇸
I actually remember seeing this show back in 78! Who could forget Ed and Buddy two of the greatest drummers that ever lived!
That was so cool to see. Two great talents. Bravo!!!
What I like about this is that Ed just went for it and gave Buddy a battle! Great entertainment.
Among the many things that could be said im pretty confident that i just witnessed the best two drummers to have ever played together.and, i didn't know that ed was in the top 5 and maybe no.2
damn, Shaughnessy. putting that one in the ol' rolodex
I could hardly work in my garden at 63, since My joints and back gets sore. Playing drums like this at 73 defies reality. Other ageless legends are Buddy Rich (RIP) and Carl Palmer.
There are 2 facial expressions during this, jaw dropping disbelief throughout and a big beaming smile at the end...
Ed Shaughnessy showed a lot of class and professionalism by using a BR style drum kit for this duel.
Buddy Rich....the greatest drummer ever....
And one of Buddy's favorite drummers.
Great stuff.
Joe Morello, Steve Gadd and countless others were as good. However, it's just that they weren't any better then Buddy Rich. It comes down to which style of drumming you prefer.
You ask any professional drummer (past or present) ....
"Who's the Greatest Drummer of All Time?"..
99 out of 100 of them would probably say "Buddy Rich"
Hogwash
He's right! Buddy Rich!
@@thevmanvj You're gddamn right.
Awesome drumming !! No competition here, just a great demo of technique and speed. Buddy has always been my preferred Jazz drummer. But Ed is also a unique top shelf drummer. Love em both !!
Buddy was just on another level!
And Ed was right there, with Buddy, the whole way.
@@starguy2718 Do you really believe that?
I've played the drums for years. After watching this, it's back to the kazoo for me. : /
Once in a life time.They don't make em like that any more.
A lot of today’s top drummers would struggle here.
Listen to how tight Buddy’s snare is.
Notice Ed still has his 'snares' on and Buddy usually turns his off.
For people who do not know, there is a lever on the side of a snare drum - Up is on, and down is off.
LOLwut? Buddy's snares aren't off.
I love the sound of ED's toms but buddy's left hand is the real deal and his snare sounds crystal clear.
Right! If I could have the sound of Buddys snare and Eds toms, I'd be in heaven.
I never get tired of watching Buddy Rich clips, he is truly one of the best. I noticed in this clip he may be the inventor of the blast beat the way he's one hand hitting 32nd notes on the snare.
I'm pretty sure he did. Every solo I've ever seen him play showcases insanely fast singles between the kick and left hand. And that was DECADES before metal songs had them, kids.
Awesome solos - as a drummer myself I can appreciate the massive talent and technique that went into solos like these...RIP both Buddy and Ed!
Unca Buddy and Unca Eddie.....two masters who enjoyed the art of drumming and eachother's friendship. Carson, too a close friend of both Rich and Shaughnessy, knew the magic that was taking place.
I never get tired of this!
I'm not a drummer. But I know genius when I see it.
I'm no painter, but that Michaelangelo guy sure knows how to put paint on canvas.
Yeah, it was like that.
Wow a hot summer night in 1978. I was 14 and I'm glad I was old enough to see the end of this era/generation. The Dean Martin Roasts, Playboy Magazine, R.I.P. Carson and Buddy. I absolutely love Buddy, but Ed sounded really, really good
***** R.I.P. All three.Johnny,Buddy, And Ed.
ClassofEighty2....
I was 13 in 78...Remember all those guys as well! A time that will never come again I'm afraid!
Wow, Eddie is terrific but Buddy is the Babe Ruth of drummers. He is simply the greatest.
Eddie let his friend, the guest, shine a little more, I think. Which is what you do for a guest.
@@nazfrde LOL.
If Buddy was Babe Ruth, Ed was at least Lou Gehrig.
@@joeday4293 well put. ES looked like he was having such a blast. He looked like he could do this all day, every day.
This was uploaded to RUclips 11 years ago. And has less than 1 million views. How is that even possible?
The performance here is amazing to say the least.
You can say what you want about the Buddy Rich but one thing we all know is this guy had fun playing and loved music
+Ramon Key I hear & have heard all about Buddy Rich,when talking about the drummer he was amongst the absolute best ever & I'm aware of the Weckl's & the alike & the insane mind boggling drummers now & since..i sat in front of him in the early 90's.. I know what I saw..& I'm the cynical critical jealous envious critic..there were no yea buts…every drummer has hangups & baggage his was more public than the overwhelming majority..He worked a snare like so few can.
Ed beats Buddy in a sideburns contest easily
As well as in the nicest guy category.
And the drumming category
@@hungrydrummerjoey3440 bro.. a heart attack coudn't beat him during a solo.
Man they were GREAT and boy did Buddy Rich have a fine set of choppers lol
The smiles from the get go. Buddy setting the driving tempo with a grin on his face. Ed, perhaps the only worthy opponent, accepts Buddy’s challenge with the same grin.
Not a battle at all - why can't we dig two great drummers flexing their chops with each other and just enjoy it? These are two of my favorite, and two of the best, drummers of all time, having a great time for a few minutes. Awesome!
I'd love to see Billy Cobham vs jack dejohnette: Billy for his amazing speed and exhilaratingly sharp precision, and jack for his amazing, offbeat-centred versatility.