I don't have a 486 or older machine, but I'm going to try this in 86box. Thanks for the info. Btw, what are older linux that can be loaded from DOS? If you can make videos about them that would be great!
doslinux was one the booted off dos. PathLinux and WinLinux were two others that, although required installing from Windows, booted into DOS (or from a DOS floppy you made from their pre-made floppy image if you were on Windows NT) and loaded linux through loadlin.
Thanks for continuing to try out these new things. I wonder if an earlier version of Minix can be installed on this? I keep meaning to read the Tanenbaum book.
After initial doubt, due to you now Minix DID make it on the list - two Minix videos are made and are on the way (but systematically come after another 4-6 videos).
Well, this channel tries to show experiments as technology-neutrally as possible, so I hope I will have also some ideas for you for your standard run-of-the-mill "old computer". ☺️ Welcome and enjoy!
To be frank, for low-end machines, Windows 3.11 was … "the best choice". I actually have grown to respect it a lot during the years. 16 MB was for the time actually very nice, bravo if you had that.
Do you program in LISP? I would've saved the space by ditching mc, bc, yabasic and gcl. Just need a decent C compiler, maybe get one that at least adheres to C11 and cross compile it. Of course, this kind of makes me want to write another code generator for 386 so I can cross compile my own language for old hardware. Just need to find an old set of manuals.
Totally, and I have done it in the past. Just having "compatible" ssh with matching key algorithms will be a bit of a challenge. The question is, do you insist on SSH, or would e.g. telnet / netcat suffice…
@@ninoivanov Well SSH for security reasons, but I'll take telnet. My idea is to use one the WiFi ESP32 serial to PPP modules and wire it directly to the serial expansion card in my Pocket386. We would use TTL levels and connect RX, TX, CTS & RTS for hardware flow control. Hopefully run it at 115200bps. Then install an older version of RedHat, FreeBSD or maybe your BasicLinux solution will work. With this setup I could SSH to one of my more powerful Linux machines where ever I have WiFi access. Then I could do actual real work. That would be so cool!
@turbo9team Check out some of my videos in my playlist "TTY/SLIP/PPP“, in the medium future (next year) I will update it a lot with what you are trying to accomplish. Meanwhile, look for the DOS software CONEX, very easy to use. My playlist "Retrofuturism" also has a couple of videos in that direction. In brief: try to get CONEX on DOS to talk to picocom on your main Linux machine, and once you can "chat", it merely becomes a question of running a shell on the serial line which you can easily do even over "socat" on Linux.
@@ninoivanov Awesome I will check out your other tty,slip,ppp videos! Right now I use my Pocket386 as a terminal using Telix, a null modem cable and my linux machine providing a TTY console via agetty. Works OK, but a truly portable Pocket386 with WiFi and SSH is the dream ;-)
@@turbo9team Then you got the essentials already! I have nothing to offer, as you are but half an hour away from realizing your plan, but if you permit, this might really be it: ruclips.net/video/1s342z776hA/видео.html
why not buy a $150..250 Chromebook,, you get a desktop browser with extensions Android 13 && Linux ,, oh and 10 years of support why struggle with an old machine?
@@ninoivanov the sun shines, the sun shines,,, G translate ( early Ai Quill pen ) oh, using a $200 lenovo Duet 3 Chromebook " tablet " & stylus ( early IT Quill pen ) British empire ( what's left of it )
@@Hiraghm "... I don't like chrome...",, Microsoft edge is based on it,, and many more en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)#Browsers_based_on_Chromium
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Wonderful topic and presentation!
Merci beaucoup!
blast from the past. I remember several linux distros with the option to boot from dos/w9x and I used to run PeanutLinux loop version this way.
I'm bewildered youtubers are making videos of actually using these systems. You have great patience for using something so janky and expensive 😅
Yet I must confess: I STILL find it extremely cute… 😅
I don't have a 486 or older machine, but I'm going to try this in 86box. Thanks for the info.
Btw, what are older linux that can be loaded from DOS? If you can make videos about them that would be great!
The will of the people shall be fulfilled!
doslinux was one the booted off dos. PathLinux and WinLinux were two others that, although required installing from Windows, booted into DOS (or from a DOS floppy you made from their pre-made floppy image if you were on Windows NT) and loaded linux through loadlin.
This is how I ran Slackware back in the mid 90s.
Yeah, *that* type of thing also comes soon, specifically with Slackware… ☺️
Thanks for continuing to try out these new things. I wonder if an earlier version of Minix can be installed on this? I keep meaning to read the Tanenbaum book.
After initial doubt, due to you now Minix DID make it on the list - two Minix videos are made and are on the way (but systematically come after another 4-6 videos).
On a famous e-commerce site, I saw they sell: Retro Pocket 386 for nearly 270 euros; what a crap! But in that case, I'm happy I will never buy it.
Well, this channel tries to show experiments as technology-neutrally as possible, so I hope I will have also some ideas for you for your standard run-of-the-mill "old computer". ☺️ Welcome and enjoy!
I started with Yggdrasil LGX Linux on a 16MHz 386 PC with I think 16MBytes of RAM in 1993 - as I recall it was about as usable as Windows 3.11 then
To be frank, for low-end machines, Windows 3.11 was … "the best choice". I actually have grown to respect it a lot during the years. 16 MB was for the time actually very nice, bravo if you had that.
Wow, excelent. Similar with DOSLINUX
I'm sure you can compile a custom kernel and run the propper thing with a bootloader and stuff.
An older kernel - yes; but you know - a lot of the amenities these kernels offer are inapplicable… for instance: networking - "What networking?" 😆
Do you program in LISP? I would've saved the space by ditching mc, bc, yabasic and gcl. Just need a decent C compiler, maybe get one that at least adheres to C11 and cross compile it. Of course, this kind of makes me want to write another code generator for 386 so I can cross compile my own language for old hardware. Just need to find an old set of manuals.
… and you have one of the most awesome RUclips handles ever… 😁
So cool.
Nice work! How about ssh over a PPP connection using the serial port. Do you think it's possible?
Totally, and I have done it in the past. Just having "compatible" ssh with matching key algorithms will be a bit of a challenge. The question is, do you insist on SSH, or would e.g. telnet / netcat suffice…
@@ninoivanov Well SSH for security reasons, but I'll take telnet. My idea is to use one the WiFi ESP32 serial to PPP modules and wire it directly to the serial expansion card in my Pocket386. We would use TTL levels and connect RX, TX, CTS & RTS for hardware flow control. Hopefully run it at 115200bps. Then install an older version of RedHat, FreeBSD or maybe your BasicLinux solution will work. With this setup I could SSH to one of my more powerful Linux machines where ever I have WiFi access. Then I could do actual real work. That would be so cool!
@turbo9team Check out some of my videos in my playlist "TTY/SLIP/PPP“, in the medium future (next year) I will update it a lot with what you are trying to accomplish. Meanwhile, look for the DOS software CONEX, very easy to use. My playlist "Retrofuturism" also has a couple of videos in that direction. In brief: try to get CONEX on DOS to talk to picocom on your main Linux machine, and once you can "chat", it merely becomes a question of running a shell on the serial line which you can easily do even over "socat" on Linux.
@@ninoivanov Awesome I will check out your other tty,slip,ppp videos! Right now I use my Pocket386 as a terminal using Telix, a null modem cable and my linux machine providing a TTY console via agetty. Works OK, but a truly portable Pocket386 with WiFi and SSH is the dream ;-)
@@turbo9team Then you got the essentials already! I have nothing to offer, as you are but half an hour away from realizing your plan, but if you permit, this might really be it: ruclips.net/video/1s342z776hA/видео.html
Sir, did I see a "startx" option there? 🙂
It does have X. But it is unuseably slow in a 486 DX2, so never even bothered here. 😆
I wonder if xfree 3.3.x can provide hw 2d acceleration on included (cirrus?) video hardware?
BasicLinux it’s called you say?
BasicLinux, on the ibiblio site linked in the comments. Good luck! 🫡
jjjjooooo bro
Too bad it did broke
You know… the experiments are continuing, just with another machine in the future… 😉
why not buy a $150..250 Chromebook,, you get a desktop browser with extensions
Android 13 && Linux ,, oh and 10 years of support
why struggle with an old machine?
For the same reasons why I often write with a quill, or why all men, including yourself, fancy of the Roman Empire (καὶ σύ, τέκνον)…
@@ninoivanov the sun shines, the sun shines,,, G translate ( early Ai Quill pen ) oh, using a $200 lenovo Duet 3 Chromebook " tablet " & stylus ( early IT Quill pen ) British empire ( what's left of it )
I don't like chrome. I don't like chiclet keyboards. I don't trust modern, commonly used hardware.
@@Hiraghm "... I don't like chrome...",, Microsoft edge is based on it,, and many more
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)#Browsers_based_on_Chromium