I've been there. Never actually attempted suicide, but thought about it. I started having Mental Health Issues at about 18-19. Back in the mid eighties. My doctor, God bless him, recognised what was going on with me, but my parents ( well my Mother) refused to accept it. It came and went for a number of years. Was made 1000 times worse due to an abusive marriage/ husband (been divorced for 24 years now). I have had Depression for many years now, and have had/got a great support network of close family and special friends which helps. I know what it's like to 'cry out for help' and be ignored. So in that respect I feel for Phil too. He tried to talk about it but he was literally brushed aside. That can hurt more than anything else.
I suffer from depression myself. I had made halfhearted attempts when I was younger, but I now realize that I was crying out for help. My Mother had dismissed it as those teenagers had been known to do it because teenagers had massive mood swings, and it can happen. I think that it's more than that. It should not be so easily dismissed.
It could’ve been a powerful plot about officers who are driven to suicide by things they see on the beat, but the element of the sexual harassment meant it was hard to feel sorry for Phil.
It’s so easy to judge other people. Then, for whatever reason, you get to know them, you learn about their problems and difficulties, you learn their story. You realize your judgment was wrong. Everybody has a story.
The UK of then (1991) is not the UK of now, and the UK of then is not the "keep calm & carry on" of the war years. The Bill unashamedly exposed - in a watered down, TV friendly way - how messed up urban Britain was 30+ years ago, replete with a flawed & antiquated justice system. The world it depicts is orderly, sane & honourable by comparison to the present.
Tony being an advanced driver would be the likeliest of reasons as to why drove Brownlow so much. Being driven is probably a prerogative of the rank and more importantly, there are probably damage limitation reasons as to why a senior officer is driven and not drive themselves. It wouldn't look good for the police force if a senior officer were to be involved in an accident and behind the wheel at the time. At the same time, I think Tony Stamp has a good old fashioned streak in him and he's not one to get nervous in the presence of a senior officer or to try and brow nose his way up the ladder. I also think that there is some overlap with Brownlow and Stamp in their ethos towards policing. Can't quite put my finger on it, but somehow they have something in common. Something important to both. Stamp wouldn't necessarily feel it, but Brownlow looking down the ladder might recognise some of his younger self in Stamp. We do know from another episode that Brownlow was in CID for a time and returned to uniform.
I used to feel for that character not being respected by his colleagues. I know the feeling! Seeing the gruesome sight of the corpses without an outlet to air his feelings tipped him over.
I love how all the senior officers covering their asses saying he never said anything I remember ackland telling cryer that phil might be stressed and he said it is about time these young coppers know the bad side of policing if he cannot hack it fined another job
I know this is 30 years old, but the same problem still exists, ie men are not being listened to. Was told by a female manager in 2012 when I went to her with a work issue “Keep your chin up and handle it.”
Ok But he didn't seek help, and what he did say to anyone was either bare faced lies or psycho obsessive nonsense. This in the context of having brutalized, intimidated and sexually assaulted his colleague. If you know anything about mental health you'd know it's *difficult*.
@@Wasp-ce7yr Yes but he had to be very troubled to do that, that's why I feel sorry for him, he should have had help instead of being in the police force.
A lot of people go through that everyday I got stress and anxiety and depression since I was a kid but didn't know I had 8 yrs ago I check with my doctor but he try to give me pills but I said no so what I do it's finds ways to deal with like have some to myself but sometimes we don't know much about it still to now
The description of suicide that Tony Stamp gave to Brownlow is spot-on. It is the ultimate selfish act. It gives no consideration to those who are left behind. This is particularly acute when the suicide is a young person, like Phil Young, with his career just beginning and his whole life ahead of him. I do believe that Datta had a point about the way the rest of the relief made a shambles of Young's self-image and feelings of belonging. I would have liked to have seen the story arc expanded and the actions of Loxton and Quinnan investigated post-mortem, and officially held to be contributing factors. Then have them held accountable for their actions through dismissal and both criminal and civil liability. Get rid of two characters whose usefulness to the series had, by then, expired. Bullying is a crime. And the people who do it don't view themselves as being the criminals they are. Loxton and Quinnan did more to cause Young's death than any others. I never liked either of them, Loxton especially. In the earlier episode "Shots" we saw him for his narcissism, then his physical cowardice. I just hope that W.P.C. Morgan wasn't really attracted to him after he showed his lack of bottle to continue on the path of becoming an AFO in the Diplomatic Protection Service. I consider this to be one of the most important episodes of The Bill.
Mrs Richards: "I paid for a room with a view !" Basil: (pointing to the lovely view) "That is Torquay, Madam ." Mrs Richards: "It's not good enough!" Basil: "May I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window ? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically past?..." Mrs Richards: "Don't be silly! I expect to be able to see the sea!" Basil: "You can see the sea, it's over there between the land and the sky." Mrs Richards: "I'm not satisfied. But I shall stay. But I expect a reduction." Basil: "Why?! Because Krakatoa's not erupting at the moment ?"
I've been there. Never actually attempted suicide, but thought about it. I started having Mental Health Issues at about 18-19. Back in the mid eighties. My doctor, God bless him, recognised what was going on with me, but my parents ( well my Mother) refused to accept it. It came and went for a number of years. Was made 1000 times worse due to an abusive marriage/ husband (been divorced for 24 years now). I have had Depression for many years now, and have had/got a great support network of close family and special friends which helps. I know what it's like to 'cry out for help' and be ignored. So in that respect I feel for Phil too. He tried to talk about it but he was literally brushed aside. That can hurt more than anything else.
you have my sympathy but speaking from experience , if you're being ignored move on-out.
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I suffer from depression myself. I had made halfhearted attempts when I was younger, but I now realize that I was crying out for help. My Mother had dismissed it as those teenagers had been known to do it because teenagers had massive mood swings, and it can happen. I think that it's more than that. It should not be so easily dismissed.
Seeing Colin Tarrant portraying Monroe in these suicide story lines is eerily strange.
It could’ve been a powerful plot about officers who are driven to suicide by things they see on the beat, but the element of the sexual harassment meant it was hard to feel sorry for Phil.
I really felt it when he slapped her.
It’s so easy to judge other people.
Then, for whatever reason, you get to know them, you learn about their problems and difficulties, you learn their story.
You realize your judgment was wrong.
Everybody has a story.
16:19 Norika didn’t take the news too well following events prior
Tragic Colin Tarrant who played Monroe would commit suicide in real life 21 years after this was made.
That is very sadly ironic. :(
Very sad, he was a good character.
Rip x
11:51 Loxton informs that Phil has died.
I so admire the British people in the face of Hell they stay strong and have a Cup of Tea God bless the British
It's all one can do in any situation really, drink tea keep your head and carry on.
The UK of then (1991) is not the UK of now, and the UK of then is not the "keep calm & carry on" of the war years. The Bill unashamedly exposed - in a watered down, TV friendly way - how messed up urban Britain was 30+ years ago, replete with a flawed & antiquated justice system. The world it depicts is orderly, sane & honourable by comparison to the present.
What's with Dave Quinnan & The Thunderbirds? His favourite show as a kid????
He has good taste
Brownlow doesn’t look up the number when he calls Young’s parents. No wonder he made Chief Super- that’s some skill to have!
You can read and memorise a number in the moment he took
The number is on a piece of paper you see him place it on the desk as he dials
If you look closely, you'll see Conway handed him a piece of paper with the parent's information on it.
Not exactly CID material are you?
He looks at the paper.
Reg in the section house after 5 to seven years in the wholesome Magna Carta force ?
You know, Tony does seem to be Brownlow's driver a far few times over the years
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Why does brownlow always need a driver? He can drive and has a car?
Tony is an advanced Driver. Maybe that's why
Tony being an advanced driver would be the likeliest of reasons as to why drove Brownlow so much. Being driven is probably a prerogative of the rank and more importantly, there are probably damage limitation reasons as to why a senior officer is driven and not drive themselves. It wouldn't look good for the police force if a senior officer were to be involved in an accident and behind the wheel at the time. At the same time, I think Tony Stamp has a good old fashioned streak in him and he's not one to get nervous in the presence of a senior officer or to try and brow nose his way up the ladder. I also think that there is some overlap with Brownlow and Stamp in their ethos towards policing. Can't quite put my finger on it, but somehow they have something in common. Something important to both. Stamp wouldn't necessarily feel it, but Brownlow looking down the ladder might recognise some of his younger self in Stamp. We do know from another episode that Brownlow was in CID for a time and returned to uniform.
I used to feel for that character not being respected by his colleagues.
I know the feeling!
Seeing the gruesome sight of the corpses without an outlet to air his feelings tipped him over.
He wasn't suited for the job. No shame in that.
Phill Young from another planet
How did he end up in the job?
@@peterhogben3304 questionable recruitment like we're reading about now
I love how all the senior officers covering their asses saying he never said anything I remember ackland telling cryer that phil might be stressed and he said it is about time these young coppers know the bad side of policing if he cannot hack it fined another job
Beg to disagree with Tony's opinion on suicide
It's the opinion of someone privileged enough never to have faced it. Used to think that way myself.
They kind of did push him too it. But how did such a unbalanced person end up in the Police force anyway. I've always wondered.
@@peterhogben3304 He probably presented well and dotted his Is and crossed his Ts and it didn't become apparent until later.
I know this is 30 years old, but the same problem still exists, ie men are not being listened to. Was told by a female manager in 2012 when I went to her with a work issue “Keep your chin up and handle it.”
Ok
But he didn't seek help, and what he did say to anyone was either bare faced lies or psycho obsessive nonsense. This in the context of having brutalized, intimidated and sexually assaulted his colleague.
If you know anything about mental health you'd know it's *difficult*.
And you pushed him to it Tony.
8.56 is that arthur dalys yard😃
Thank goodness the attitude towards suicide has changed.
Maybe so but the help hasn't and when your dead it don't really matter what people think does it. 🇬🇧👍
Rip Claire Cathcart
Norik is only thinking of herself, even after he’s dead.
Norika was abused by Phil Young in a previous episode.
There’s reasons for that……
Ah, yes - The famous "Section House"...Basically student-type accommodation offered at a budget price as part of your employment with the Met.
I feel sorry for PC Phil Young.
me too
I personally don’t. He tried to rape Norika a few episodes before this. Nothing he went through justifies that.
@@Wasp-ce7yr Yes but he had to be very troubled to do that, that's why I feel sorry for him, he should have had help instead of being in the police force.
A lot of people go through that everyday I got stress and anxiety and depression since I was a kid but didn't know I had 8 yrs ago I check with my doctor but he try to give me pills but I said no so what I do it's finds ways to deal with like have some to myself but sometimes we don't know much about it still to now
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The description of suicide that Tony Stamp gave to Brownlow is spot-on. It is the ultimate selfish act. It gives no consideration to those who are left behind. This is particularly acute when the suicide is a young person, like Phil Young, with his career just beginning and his whole life ahead of him. I do believe that Datta had a point about the way the rest of the relief made a shambles of Young's self-image and feelings of belonging. I would have liked to have seen the story arc expanded and the actions of Loxton and Quinnan investigated post-mortem, and officially held to be contributing factors. Then have them held accountable for their actions through dismissal and both criminal and civil liability. Get rid of two characters whose usefulness to the series had, by then, expired. Bullying is a crime. And the people who do it don't view themselves as being the criminals they are. Loxton and Quinnan did more to cause Young's death than any others. I never liked either of them, Loxton especially. In the earlier episode "Shots" we saw him for his narcissism, then his physical cowardice. I just hope that W.P.C. Morgan wasn't really attracted to him after he showed his lack of bottle to continue on the path of becoming an AFO in the Diplomatic Protection Service.
I consider this to be one of the most important episodes of The Bill.
Put the bong down.
Try and write in paragraphs.
Quinnan's usefulness to the series had expired by then? You're crazy.
Kinda makes u wonder what is the point of living
Maybe to change things
Mrs Richards: "I paid for a room with a view !"
Basil: (pointing to the lovely view) "That is Torquay, Madam ."
Mrs Richards: "It's not good enough!"
Basil: "May I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window ? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically past?..."
Mrs Richards: "Don't be silly! I expect to be able to see the sea!"
Basil: "You can see the sea, it's over there between the land and the sky."
Mrs Richards: "I'm not satisfied. But I shall stay. But I expect a reduction."
Basil: "Why?! Because Krakatoa's not erupting at the moment ?"
As Kramer said to the little guy next to him in the ID lineup..
"You again".
@@tonymc55 YOU WANT ROOM 16 FOR HIM ?
Why on earth do you keep copying and pasting this on irrelevant videos?
@@jkkay477 I think its because their mother never loved them as a child
Phil’s life is ruined.