I recently had a Byzantium campaign. Same allying Knights and Albania strat, but less maneuvring and lot of mercs. And of course culture converting all turks into greeks. ^^
Sadly the Knights raid you anyways after the 1.30.2 update. Avoid battles. Scorch land on enemy occupations. Follow behind the Ottomans. Siege back the occupations they make with the assistance of the Naval blockade/barrage = win. If you guys need help with nitty gritty like micromanagement. The best way its to watch other people play. You can watch my live stream here. Thanks for watching and Goodluck! www.twitch.tv/budgetmonk119
I believe the fort in Gallipoli is sometimes also not maintained when you attack, tried this myself 2 times, got both Kocaeli and Gallipoli at the start
It's not that hard lol, just a bit of luck and spamming the improve relations button. In my case I got very lucky because I'm not a good eu4 player lol
Monk: Epirus has 50% chance to have no ally, 50% to get Genoa or The Knights. Epirus in my games: Albania and Genoa, Venice, Venice . . . That's the reason I dislike watching guides. Love your stream though.
@@BudgetMonk if you move your troops to away from Constantinople they should mothball it since you have no troops nearby, then just DoW at good time and transport your troops back and take it, it depends i guess
I have 1100 hours in game and still finding it very difficult, you can win the first war pretty easy but man even if you do win then 10 years later your getting attacked by venice/naples/hungary/poland its so tiring.
They pretty much did. They sought and bought Genoese and Venetian naval and mercenary aid, and even took out massive loans. Loans were somewhat of a novelty (in terms of acquiring monetary capital at interest and not other valuables) in those days though, so their effect would be much lower than the game suggests (despite the IRL numbers being massively larger). One of the hard-to-solve problems they had was that they ruled over a small rump state that was known for its infighting, corruption and disloyalty... but even that had been overcome before. In the end, the Eastern Roman State had not enough people willing to die defending it (especially outside Constantinople, where people had been ravaged by war for centuries), while its enemies where full of people willing to do just that. Mercenary empires never last.
@@solaraspect5255 "not enough people willing to die defending it"- after all, inequality was extremely bad at this point. The poor saw no opportunities and were rather disenfranchised.
Same man I could watch this 100 times and still be clueless about what exactly he's trying to communicate with the transportation of troops at the beginning.
well, that's interesting i had sucess by getting allies until i was sure they wouldn't declare on me first. then waited for them to declare against one of the anatolian minors, got my troops to constantinople, and used my navy to bombard the gallipoli fort and stormed the walls as the fort wasn't full, effectively stucking them in anatolia this strategy worked wonders and i was even able to beat the ottos, aq and tunis together by my own, as tunis kept landing troops in the balkans and i was just there waiting to kill them, until i could white peace them. however there is a problem that's happening is that if the ottomans lose the first war, the mamluks will eat half of anatolia(it was common before, but not the way it is now) and austria getting gigantic, effectively stalling your advance in the balkans. the midgame is way harder in this patch than the first war
Fortunately as Byzantium you can expand across the Mediterranean so if Naples went free you can take them over and can take what you can from left over ottomans. If you build strong alliances too and tech up the mamluks won’t be able to match up and you could pull something off. With that great start though anything is plausible and with rngjesus you can pull it off, hope It goes well!
@@spectre4165 In my case, naple joined the HRE, along with every one small enough to join. So it maybe a bad idea. Also it remind me not to play Byzantium immediately after an major update
@@spectre4165 It has been, thankfully. I believe the patch notes said something like: "Fixed countries ignoring logic when deciding to join the HRE". Always hate it when countries ignore logic...
In 1.28 I absolutely BTFOd the Mamluks whose armies were twice the size of mine and roughly equal in quality. The first step is to gain absolute naval superiority (which should be your focus since 1444), consolidate your navies in Constantinople, delete all forts you have in Anatolia, declare war and let them occupy your Anatolian lands (this will give you war exhaustion but it's not a deciding factor). Wait for their stacks to try to cross the strait into Constantinople or the adjacent province, move into that province once their stack is locked (you will arrive before them and they won't be able to cancel their movement) and time your navy precisely so that it moves into the sea tile just a day after letting 1 of their stacks cross. This way you will always fight with a terrain advantage and most likely also superior numbers since their stacks won't be moving at the same speed, meaning you will only be fighting 1 at a time. Stackwiping individual armies will be easy since they won't have anywhere to go after losing a battle. Keep doing this until their nunbers dwindle and you have a strong numerical advantage, then liberate your Anatolian provinces, siege them down and finish the war.
Your tutorial on 1.28 led me to my succesful Byzantium WC run (I thought I would make it One Faith too but I was two Americas short) and I am tempted to try this again. Great job as usual.
I did almost the same strategy except screw Epirus, alliance with Knights. In my case Turks started to siege Albania, while I occupied kocakeli fort and then ancara, at the same time occupied all the forts on balcans. I got about 50 peace deal score which was enough to get all cores except edirne. Then builded a lot of galleys and in the next war took all of bulgaria and the the rest of anatolia in 2 wars. But you did better completely crushing the ottomans in the first war :) And I didn`t do this mess with the estates, just gave some privileges to them and took 5 loans from burgers for 1%, very useful in the begining. My army was 11 regiments + 4 the worsts mercs which you also hired, that all was enough.
@@dongiovanni1248 The Vital interest thingies. Also the forts I think can only be deleted or mothballed with Art of War. Also, the Trust system to promise land is Art of War as well.
For fellows Byzantium players, there are serious bug where if you take money in a war where you take a lot of territories, any amount of money you ask for would be reset to 1 after you submit the peace proposal. Meaning if you want to take 1000 ducats from ottoman to repay your loans, they would only give you 1 ducat and a fuck you instead. Take war reparation only instead if you don't have enough warscore to get both money and war reparation.
Hey BudgetMonk, We, the Byz fans thank you for another cool Byz video. Let the true Rome rise again! I haven't played the 1.30 update but in the 1.28.3 version I use a slightly different strategy: Instead of attacking the Ottomans, I let them attack me, around 1446. Using Albania and Wallachia as allies while rivaling Serbia. So, I siege down the Salonica (or don't have to if I'm lucky and they attack early in the month) and Kocaeli forts while letting them siege down Constantinople. I carpet siege the Balkans and West Asia Minor and then attacking the Ottoman stack with all my forces in Constantinople. The second battle after this is a stackwipe and the war is over around 1448. The big difference with your way, however, is not in the tactics but in the peace deal: instead of taking my cores back, I demand Edirne (the coastal fort, Gelibolu now), Salonika, Uskup, Kocaeli, Bolu and Ankara, plus war reps and all his money. This way I get 4 out of 5 of his forts, making future wars much easier. Additionally, I get a border with Serbia (which is usually attacked that time by Venice and maybe Hungary) and I almost immediately attack him as well. An easy war to get Kosovo and all other provinces he is left with, except for Rasca which I leave to him in order to humiliate him. So, by 1450 I already have an Age Objective fulfilled and >50 Power Projection. By taking the Ottos money and getting them into loans, it makes the Mamluks much more likely to attack them in just two years. And by improving relations with the Mamluks they usually return my cores for free. With this peace deal I also have a border with Candar and Karaman (which I rival) which are my next targets. Most of the time, by these wars I manage to get Ramazan (from Karaman) and Ayntab (from Dulkadir, ally of Candar), so that by 1455 I already have fulfilled a second Age Objective (Present on two continents). And by vassallising Candar (and giving him the muslim provinces, Bolu, Ankara etc) I open another way of expansion into the Caucasus. So that, in 30-40 years I am already a great power! What do you think? Would you like to give it a try?
Hotfix in 2 weeks : Ottomans now start with 280 additional galleys that are free of maintenance, can only engage Byzantine forces and disband once the byzantine empire is no more.
"So I guess my strategy in a nutshell guys is to just attack the Ottoman Empire AND JUST DESTROY THEM" - BudgetMonk 2020 For reals though, that is pretty sick. Well done!
I did everything 100% identical to the video. At the start of the ottoman war, skanderbeg did not attach, and the Ottoman 15K stack attacked and stackwiped my 13K stack in selanik. I don't know what this talk of the AI bee lining for Athens is about.
1:17 but don't the galleys get a combat bonus in the Mediterranean? Is it not a big enough bonus to justify the sailor cost? And galleys are also cheaper.
it's about sailor efficiency to cannon: you use 50 sailor for 8 cannons in a light, while using 100 sailors for 10 cannons on a galley. also, loans IS just a number
Ugh I can't do this. First time I tried I only got coastal provinces along the Aegean, and later Naples, Genoa, and Venice declared war on me. That ended that playthrough. Second time, I just can't beat the Ottomans. Their armies seem to be much smarter and targeting mine than occupying provinces like they did the first time around. Half the time I can siege Kocaeli but never Selanik.
I tried Radio Res's strategy too, but I like yours better. It is relatively straightforward, doesn't require me to use as many MP on stability and war exhaustion, and it leaves me with a good sized trade fleet when I am done. I am now in 1504, control all of the Balkans except for Albania and Bulgaria (my well-fed vassal), all of Greece, most of western Anatolia and all of the Aegean islands except Naxos (which will be remedied shortly), and the heel of Italy (Apulia, I think?). I am currently allied to Muscovy, Austria and the papal state (blasphemous, I know...tis a perfunctory arrangement). Whatever ends up happening in this game, playing a Byz run has been forcing me to learn how to play better. :)
i've been trying to follow this guide with no success, the ottomans seem to just doomstack into two armies that are each bigger than mine and always seem to catch me when i try to avoid them, they also seem to have no trouble crossing the straight even when i have it blockaded, there have even been occasions in which their 8k army has defeated my 20+ stack while i have the albanian general with me
You could try what I did, ally albania and hungary and wait for them to declare on you. Hire some mercs to help and stack all the armies against ottomans. Restart if the battles go awry.
I ended up hiring a butload of mercs and spent the next few decades repaying the loans lol, but now i am the number one world power and have more colonies than anyone else lol, only issue now is that the entire world banded together and declared on my so i may need to concede some land to make them happy
I told myself that I wouldn't play as Byzantium for some time after having to look up your guide on how to get a good start as the 10 quick imperial authority nation, but I might just play another round after seeing this video, unless there's a need to modify this strategy too much.
Just try it this morning and it was very effective. Already won the second war against Venice. Maybe the first time a byzantine run was so eeasy to process.
It's a solid strat but deceptively simple. Took me days to get the nuances of it and win a war where I was not crippled and easy prey for Venice or other nearby nations.
I like the tutorial but due to the fact that he Speaks over ships and makes 300 things in the background that are, i think, relevant i have no clue whats going on
Tried it 3 times, first time albania had a revolt so lost manpower and wouldnt join. Second two times one of the Ottoman Stacks moved to Selanik in the first month and stack wiped me when I got there :/
THE LIGHT OF ROME SHALL NOT BE ESTINGUISHED. ROME SHALL RISE FROM THE ASHES AS A MAJESTIC PHOENIX. THAT WILL BE THE SIMBLE OF ROME. THE ONE OF A PHOENIX THAT RISES FROM IT'S OWN ASHES. ROMA INVICTA. How fucking epic would this be if something similar would have been said by the byzantine emperor who was responsable for such an incredible task
I also found the first war pretty easy this patch. I picked byzantium just to try them out with no particular strategy and with Serbia as an ally and Epirus as vassal completely crushed the ottomans. No restarts first try. Struggled a lot with economy though because i fuked up the new estate interactions. Just didnt read them properly.
The problem with Byz in this game is that the timeline starts in 1444, so people always ask "why didn't Byzantium do this in 1444?" In reality, 1400s Byzantium is practically dead. Only through unrealistic gameplay mechanics does Byzantium come back after 1453. It's much more realistic and believable that Byzantium could have come back anytime during 1300s or before, which is why I prefer to play as Byzantium in CK2 to prevent it from shitting itself, then use conversion mods to port it to EU4. For added challenge that is still realistic, you could pick a date after the Latin Empire takes over Constantinople.
I was really surprise with 1.30, Ottomans didn't attacked Byzantium at all before 1460 at least in my current game. In 1.29, Constantinople was often taken in the first year even before the Maine incident fired in France.
Effectively galleys have 24 cannons in an inland sea due to their bonus, so for 100 sailors you get 24 Guns with a galley and 100 for 20 guns with light ships. Light ships do cost less sailors per combat width though.
Okay, I guess that might not effect nr of guns for Naval barrage. But since heavies cost 5 sailors per cannon, just like light ships, isn't it cheaper to build heavies? Or do you save all the light ships for protecting trade?
This goes way too fast for me to catch any of the strategy involved. I must be doing something wrong because the forts are always out of mothballs by the time I get there and I can't get Albania to attach or Knights to join. Basically what I do is take a bunch of loans, seige down their forts the slow way, stack wipe the ottomans, and when I win, I get all my cores and the war spoils pay for my loans.
I found a easy way, improve with all country near you that you can ally, move all troops to morea, dont ally anyone till you see otto prep army to invade, then ally all( usualy 7 nation- serbia,albania,imareti, trebizon, ramazan and sometimes candar or wallachia or moldavia or even karaman) attach albanian troop with skender, rush 4th mil tech and wait your ally to occupy anatolia, then wait them to croos to constantinople bcs you will have naval dominance and its free and easy to take 100%
Not sure about the new patch because of new mercs but in the old patch you could just go with Wallachia and if you really need it Albania and merc tryharding
Everything works as described except that the ottomans always keep their forts maintained. There is no way to get those two essential forts in one month. While I'm sieging them, the Ottoman army casually walks over and annihilates me.
In my first try Naples immediately gained independence and allied the ottomans with AQ. This was after I had conquered candar and epirus as well and got a +1 stab event.
Any tips for playing The Knights into Jerusalem in the current patch? I'm an above average EU4 player and after at least a dozen attempts I have given up. I don't want to wait for the Mamluks to be weak, I want to beat the Ottomans within a decade.
@@erikdk321 Provence can from Jerusalem , and is In a Unique spot to ally France, Castile and Austria while maybe joining the HRE. its mission tree has some cool stuff like -20% dip annex cost for rest of the game. No CB into africa and snake to the gold mine if money is an issue, then if you just follow the mission tree into a PU on naples. Still two of my fave nations to play good luck bro
I remember the most pissed off I have ever been at this game was failing my Byzantium strategy 10 times in a row then going to play Austria and looking over to see a fully restored Byzantium by the AI they eventually exploded but the fact they got all there cores back annoyed me
ok, i did not complain about this on your previous byz guide eventhough I knew it wasn't a reliable guide, but enough is enough I guess. This strat simply does not reliably work. The moment the Ottoman navy decides to engage yours in Marmara, you get rekt. The moment your allies act stupidly, you fail. If the Ottos are allied to Crimea, their navy poses a serious threat. I've also seen time and again that the Ottos sometimes engage in land battles. You mentioned it, but you can't always dow Epirus instantly because they are tend to get allies. A strategy based on restarts and lucks is not a strategy. I might as well make a guide suggesting to restart until Ottomans fight 3 front war and collapse. It just doesn't make sense to me that so many people are ok with this. If you belive this a purely skill and strategy based guide, I dare you to do this 3 times in a raw in a live stream? Let me tell you how a reliable strat should be; 1) Counterespionage the Ottos 2) Improve with Hungary 3) Scornfully insult a Hungarian rival 4) Select Venice as rival if Hungary selected them as rival for common rival bonus(not mandatory) 5) Recruit a diplo rep/improve relation advisor (not mandatory) 6) Ally Hungary,Albania and Knights 7) Build spynetwork on the Ottos 8) Wait for the Ottos to fight a relatively big war in their Eastern borders and dow them when they are commited there 9) Call to arms Albania, Hungary and Knights via promise land 10) Win the war, claim some/all of your cores back I never liked strategies that aim for the "ideal" start and bunch of restarts. I don't like this guide for yours.
One thing I've found is that if you land your troops with a bit of a delay (like departing with the transports from Corinth on the 31st), you can most definitely catch both Kocaeli and Gallipoli ungarrisoned, and since they always try and beeline Athens, they won't send enough troops to stop you from winning both sieges (as well as the one in Selanik of course). After that, if you bait them into trying to unsiege Selanik and win a fight there, you can just park yourself in Sofya because that's the only place they can retreat to, which wipes both of their starting stacks and trivializes the war.
This strategy doesn’t even come close to working lmao. The knights never join the war, the ottomans always have an army camped outside of Constantinople, and the ottoman troops in Anatolia can always just bypass your navy.
Very nice win but damn, slow down... I couldn't even enjoy the video as a playthrough, let alone a guide, it's just too fast. Otherwise it's a very entertaining vid!
The classic greek strategy: taking loans
You can do without loans, if you use Monopoly on wine and Monopoly on glass privileges. They give quite much money.
lol
@@derekcollins9739 that is very anti-patriotic, its not true byzantium if you aren't in debt.
now that is some seriously heavy humor cannon right there
that's what they did today for retaking the Constantinople
Previous video:
"Do you really want me to do Byz guide every video? :/"
Community:
"Yes"
We are all just a bunch of Byzantophiles at heart.
Always warms an EUIV players heart to see a thick Byzantium
U not the only one son
xD even the turkish ones
Lol i gotta say as a turk i got pretty mad at the ottomans when they ruined my game.
True
@@AxianMapping what are ya doin here
Can't wait for "How to own as Byzantium 1.453".
xD
How to own Byzantium in 1.453 as Ottomans
Big oof
Can’t believe you went there smh
Too soon, man...
I recently had a Byzantium campaign. Same allying Knights and Albania strat, but less maneuvring and lot of mercs.
And of course culture converting all turks into greeks. ^^
After all these years, after all the patches . The challenge is still on!
the real Byzantium challenge is on Very Hard difficulty. Last two runs on iron man took me on average 200 years before retaking Constantinople.
Sadly the Knights raid you anyways after the 1.30.2 update. Avoid battles. Scorch land on enemy occupations. Follow behind the Ottomans. Siege back the occupations they make with the assistance of the Naval blockade/barrage = win.
If you guys need help with nitty gritty like micromanagement. The best way its to watch other people play. You can watch my live stream here. Thanks for watching and Goodluck!
www.twitch.tv/budgetmonk119
I believe the fort in Gallipoli is sometimes also not maintained when you attack, tried this myself 2 times, got both Kocaeli and Gallipoli at the start
Hello budgetmonk, i guaranteed the knights and they still raided my coasts putting them at - 100 opinion meaning no alliance . Should i reload?
doable on very hard ?
Thanks for the video. I look forward to this every patch!
Fabian tactics
The update came out six days ago, and you already know how to own as Byzantium. You are a legend, sir.
It only takes half a brain to figure out how to beat them lol. Not a legend, its simple
@@iben3271 i agree, managed it easily enough the day the patch came out
It's not that hard lol, just a bit of luck and spamming the improve relations button. In my case I got very lucky because I'm not a good eu4 player lol
Monk: Epirus has 50% chance to have no ally, 50% to get Genoa or The Knights.
Epirus in my games: Albania and Genoa, Venice, Venice . . . That's the reason I dislike watching guides.
Love your stream though.
In my game they allied the pope
easier than 1.29, ottomans mothball Gallipoli so you can easily do naval strategy
In my case it was not mothballed. It is very often the case that they maintain at least 1 fort. Due to some perceived threat to the stupid AI.
@@BudgetMonk if you move your troops to away from Constantinople they should mothball it since you have no troops nearby, then just DoW at good time and transport your troops back and take it, it depends i guess
Ah the good old naval invasion at Gallipoli
@@joshuabarnes3846 what could go wrong?
I have 1100 hours in game and still finding it very difficult, you can win the first war pretty easy but man even if you do win then 10 years later your getting attacked by venice/naples/hungary/poland its so tiring.
me : struggles to beat pomerania as Brandenburg
him : casually destroy ottoman as Byzantium
wow, you are n00b. Are you proud?
@@TheGawron666 i guess i didn't spent a lot of hours in the game.
Ahhhh time to open console....
@@BocchiSensei sad but relatable
@@admiralmudkip9836 *cracks knuckles*
Cash 99999
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BudgetMonk: Owns as Byzantium
BudgetMonk1.30: Wanna see me do it again?
Why didn't Byzantine do this in real life
they just should have asked Monk!
They pretty much did. They sought and bought Genoese and Venetian naval and mercenary aid, and even took out massive loans. Loans were somewhat of a novelty (in terms of acquiring monetary capital at interest and not other valuables) in those days though, so their effect would be much lower than the game suggests (despite the IRL numbers being massively larger).
One of the hard-to-solve problems they had was that they ruled over a small rump state that was known for its infighting, corruption and disloyalty... but even that had been overcome before. In the end, the Eastern Roman State had not enough people willing to die defending it (especially outside Constantinople, where people had been ravaged by war for centuries), while its enemies where full of people willing to do just that. Mercenary empires never last.
@@solaraspect5255 it's the hard truth and an even harder pill to swallow.
Because ottomans was not nerfed to the ground in reality :d
@@solaraspect5255 "not enough people willing to die defending it"- after all, inequality was extremely bad at this point. The poor saw no opportunities and were rather disenfranchised.
Holy crap, slow down.
Some of the stuff you did was barely shown in a couple of frames.
So much this lol.
I still cant even hear what he says at the start about who he guarantees
you can slow playback
@@cptbeeeeee true but still
Same man I could watch this 100 times and still be clueless about what exactly he's trying to communicate with the transportation of troops at the beginning.
I really love this new style you've got going! The music was a good touch
11:43
of course! Why didn't I think of that?
well, that's interesting
i had sucess by getting allies until i was sure they wouldn't declare on me first. then waited for them to declare against one of the anatolian minors, got my troops to constantinople, and used my navy to bombard the gallipoli fort and stormed the walls as the fort wasn't full, effectively stucking them in anatolia
this strategy worked wonders and i was even able to beat the ottos, aq and tunis together by my own, as tunis kept landing troops in the balkans and i was just there waiting to kill them, until i could white peace them. however there is a problem that's happening is that if the ottomans lose the first war, the mamluks will eat half of anatolia(it was common before, but not the way it is now) and austria getting gigantic, effectively stalling your advance in the balkans.
the midgame is way harder in this patch than the first war
Fortunately as Byzantium you can expand across the Mediterranean so if Naples went free you can take them over and can take what you can from left over ottomans. If you build strong alliances too and tech up the mamluks won’t be able to match up and you could pull something off. With that great start though anything is plausible and with rngjesus you can pull it off, hope It goes well!
@@spectre4165 In my case, naple joined the HRE, along with every one small enough to join. So it maybe a bad idea. Also it remind me not to play Byzantium immediately after an major update
PrimalForlorn yeah fortunately I believe it’s been patched out now
@@spectre4165 It has been, thankfully. I believe the patch notes said something like: "Fixed countries ignoring logic when deciding to join the HRE". Always hate it when countries ignore logic...
In 1.28 I absolutely BTFOd the Mamluks whose armies were twice the size of mine and roughly equal in quality. The first step is to gain absolute naval superiority (which should be your focus since 1444), consolidate your navies in Constantinople, delete all forts you have in Anatolia, declare war and let them occupy your Anatolian lands (this will give you war exhaustion but it's not a deciding factor). Wait for their stacks to try to cross the strait into Constantinople or the adjacent province, move into that province once their stack is locked (you will arrive before them and they won't be able to cancel their movement) and time your navy precisely so that it moves into the sea tile just a day after letting 1 of their stacks cross. This way you will always fight with a terrain advantage and most likely also superior numbers since their stacks won't be moving at the same speed, meaning you will only be fighting 1 at a time. Stackwiping individual armies will be easy since they won't have anywhere to go after losing a battle. Keep doing this until their nunbers dwindle and you have a strong numerical advantage, then liberate your Anatolian provinces, siege them down and finish the war.
I love that you do that on every patch, we byzantine fanboys have need of it.
I don’t play this game, I just like watching and being confused by what the hell hes soing
I play this game, I also like watching and being confused by what the hell he's doing
I think I'm having a bit of nostalgia of a series about Byzantium... T_T
Your tutorial on 1.28 led me to my succesful Byzantium WC run (I thought I would make it One Faith too but I was two Americas short) and I am tempted to try this again. Great job as usual.
Been watching this same video every patch for years 😂 keep em comming
Unit Maintenance advisor reduces unit costs more than the cost of having an advisor.
I did this and immediately had Venice and Genoa attack me, then later Naples
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What game are you playing ?
I'd kill for that, usually I have to wait until I'm strong enough to take on their whole trade league just for a couple provinces
You need to secure an alliances quick.
Have some alliances, silly
Guess i'm just crap at the game because i can't do it to save my life, despite following everything you do step by step.
Cause you need DLCs to win basically
Same
@@0Ploxx why do you need the dlc ?
Did they change something? Now they are just bringing 30k to wherever I'm seiging
Tip! Give the forts to one of your vassals when conquer. You can always get it back and the cost you dont have.
‘I find that you can typically beat the ottomans in a one for one battle as long as you outnumber them’
Mkay...
I did almost the same strategy except screw Epirus, alliance with Knights. In my case Turks started to siege Albania, while I occupied kocakeli fort and then ancara, at the same time occupied all the forts on balcans. I got about 50 peace deal score which was enough to get all cores except edirne. Then builded a lot of galleys and in the next war took all of bulgaria and the the rest of anatolia in 2 wars. But you did better completely crushing the ottomans in the first war :)
And I didn`t do this mess with the estates, just gave some privileges to them and took 5 loans from burgers for 1%, very useful in the begining. My army was 11 regiments + 4 the worsts mercs which you also hired, that all was enough.
"The Knights entered military alliance with Epirus"... 😓
Also Ottomans keep a full stack of troops on their capital of Edirne next to Constantinople.
This guide may be noobproof
But i can't do half of the actions you do because i don't have DLCs
which one would be needed in this case to do it like him?
@@dongiovanni1248 The Vital interest thingies. Also the forts I think can only be deleted or mothballed with Art of War.
Also, the Trust system to promise land is Art of War as well.
@@martinhorvath4117 Forts can be deleted and mothballed without Art of War, source: I have it disabled
The main one is coastal bombardment, i couldn't justify golden century
Just pirate the full game.
I love the two outcomes when i try to take Epirus
1. Epirus allies Genoa, Genoa destroy my Navy
2. Epirus allies Venice...
Everytime I take a long break from eu4, BudgetMonk always has to make a new Byzantium video and it just thrusts me back into playing.
I was waiting for this video! Thank you for the great content Monk
For fellows Byzantium players, there are serious bug where if you take money in a war where you take a lot of territories, any amount of money you ask for would be reset to 1 after you submit the peace proposal. Meaning if you want to take 1000 ducats from ottoman to repay your loans, they would only give you 1 ducat and a fuck you instead. Take war reparation only instead if you don't have enough warscore to get both money and war reparation.
Hey BudgetMonk,
We, the Byz fans thank you for another cool Byz video. Let the true Rome rise again!
I haven't played the 1.30 update but in the 1.28.3 version I use a slightly different strategy:
Instead of attacking the Ottomans, I let them attack me, around 1446. Using Albania and Wallachia as allies while rivaling Serbia. So, I siege down the Salonica (or don't have to if I'm lucky and they attack early in the month) and Kocaeli forts while letting them siege down Constantinople. I carpet siege the Balkans and West Asia Minor and then attacking the Ottoman stack with all my forces in Constantinople. The second battle after this is a stackwipe and the war is over around 1448.
The big difference with your way, however, is not in the tactics but in the peace deal: instead of taking my cores back, I demand Edirne (the coastal fort, Gelibolu now), Salonika, Uskup, Kocaeli, Bolu and Ankara, plus war reps and all his money.
This way I get 4 out of 5 of his forts, making future wars much easier. Additionally, I get a border with Serbia (which is usually attacked that time by Venice and maybe Hungary) and I almost immediately attack him as well. An easy war to get Kosovo and all other provinces he is left with, except for Rasca which I leave to him in order to humiliate him. So, by 1450 I already have an Age Objective fulfilled and >50 Power Projection.
By taking the Ottos money and getting them into loans, it makes the Mamluks much more likely to attack them in just two years. And by improving relations with the Mamluks they usually return my cores for free.
With this peace deal I also have a border with Candar and Karaman (which I rival) which are my next targets. Most of the time, by these wars I manage to get Ramazan (from Karaman) and Ayntab (from Dulkadir, ally of Candar), so that by 1455 I already have fulfilled a second Age Objective (Present on two continents). And by vassallising Candar (and giving him the muslim provinces, Bolu, Ankara etc) I open another way of expansion into the Caucasus. So that, in 30-40 years I am already a great power!
What do you think? Would you like to give it a try?
The Phoenix rises one more time.
Hotfix in 2 weeks : Ottomans now start with 280 additional galleys that are free of maintenance, can only engage Byzantine forces and disband once the byzantine empire is no more.
Boy oh boy I cant wait to take this baby for a spin!
Oh, hey Chewy!
metrioxd hi friend :)
The music is very fitting for this epic vid wish I knew what it was.
that ottoman stackwipe is soooooo satisfying
Great guide! Guaranteed the knights and still got raided, lol
"So I guess my strategy in a nutshell guys is to just attack the Ottoman Empire AND JUST DESTROY THEM" - BudgetMonk 2020
For reals though, that is pretty sick. Well done!
Burghers have a privilege called Private trade fleets that reduces the cost of Light ships.
Also the Kinghts raid me despite my guarantee. 😔
I did everything 100% identical to the video. At the start of the ottoman war, skanderbeg did not attach, and the Ottoman 15K stack attacked and stackwiped my 13K stack in selanik. I don't know what this talk of the AI bee lining for Athens is about.
Which dlcs are crucial to do that strategy?
“The Every Patch Byzantium Guide Video” is with us then.
Every patch I tell myself that I will try to start with a different nation, but it's always Byzantium in the end
Happens to me aswell but with Brandenburg or Castile
@@thecakeisalie6392 i never succeeded as Brandenburg before but in this patch I'm practically stomping Europe
@@mitlanderson Yeah although I prefer to stick to the historical Prussian/German borders and vassalize the rest XD
1:17 but don't the galleys get a combat bonus in the Mediterranean?
Is it not a big enough bonus to justify the sailor cost?
And galleys are also cheaper.
I think they don't have enough cannons to bombard the coastal forts in the way he describes
@@Anonie324 Galleys have more cannons than light ships
@@rallis3937 Oh dear, you're right, they have two more. I dunno then, I suppose it depends on if you keep scraping the sailor floor...
it's about sailor efficiency to cannon: you use 50 sailor for 8 cannons in a light, while using 100 sailors for 10 cannons on a galley.
also, loans IS just a number
@@Shadow.24772 loans? Who needs loans when you can sell all your lands and get it back for -10 nobles loyalty? Mwahahahahah!
Ugh I can't do this. First time I tried I only got coastal provinces along the Aegean, and later Naples, Genoa, and Venice declared war on me. That ended that playthrough.
Second time, I just can't beat the Ottomans. Their armies seem to be much smarter and targeting mine than occupying provinces like they did the first time around. Half the time I can siege Kocaeli but never Selanik.
break alliances with albania and knights and seek immediately stronger ones.
Try alliance with Hungary.
This is a better tutorial and way simpler ruclips.net/video/625RwJ9CGBE/видео.html
That stack wipe was so juicy, warms the heart.
ty so much this was my first succesful byzantie run
I tried Radio Res's strategy too, but I like yours better. It is relatively straightforward, doesn't require me to use as many MP on stability and war exhaustion, and it leaves me with a good sized trade fleet when I am done.
I am now in 1504, control all of the Balkans except for Albania and Bulgaria (my well-fed vassal), all of Greece, most of western Anatolia and all of the Aegean islands except Naxos (which will be remedied shortly), and the heel of Italy (Apulia, I think?). I am currently allied to Muscovy, Austria and the papal state (blasphemous, I know...tis a perfunctory arrangement).
Whatever ends up happening in this game, playing a Byz run has been forcing me to learn how to play better. :)
The Video we have been waiting for
Thanks BudgetMonk :)
Fianly you came back I realy enjoy watching you how you are destroying with Byzantium well done I hope you will reach 100K subs soon
i've been trying to follow this guide with no success, the ottomans seem to just doomstack into two armies that are each bigger than mine and always seem to catch me when i try to avoid them, they also seem to have no trouble crossing the straight even when i have it blockaded, there have even been occasions in which their 8k army has defeated my 20+ stack while i have the albanian general with me
Same here.
You could try what I did, ally albania and hungary and wait for them to declare on you. Hire some mercs to help and stack all the armies against ottomans. Restart if the battles go awry.
I ended up hiring a butload of mercs and spent the next few decades repaying the loans lol, but now i am the number one world power and have more colonies than anyone else lol, only issue now is that the entire world banded together and declared on my so i may need to concede some land to make them happy
Yes, yees, YEEESSSS! Gonna try my 5th run as True Rome, let's see how it goes.
I told myself that I wouldn't play as Byzantium for some time after having to look up your guide on how to get a good start as the 10 quick imperial authority nation, but I might just play another round after seeing this video, unless there's a need to modify this strategy too much.
He did it again, the absolute madman
*Finally, the long awaited sequel*
Play as the ottomans and release Byzantine with all their cores.
Just try it this morning and it was very effective. Already won the second war against Venice. Maybe the first time a byzantine run was so eeasy to process.
It's a solid strat but deceptively simple. Took me days to get the nuances of it and win a war where I was not crippled and easy prey for Venice or other nearby nations.
I like the tutorial but due to the fact that he Speaks over ships and makes 300 things in the background that are, i think, relevant i have no clue whats going on
Tried it 3 times, first time albania had a revolt so lost manpower and wouldnt join. Second two times one of the Ottoman Stacks moved to Selanik in the first month and stack wiped me when I got there :/
Same lol
The Fisherman’s guide is really good and works 99.9% of the time here ruclips.net/video/625RwJ9CGBE/видео.html
THE LIGHT OF ROME SHALL NOT BE ESTINGUISHED. ROME SHALL RISE FROM THE ASHES AS A MAJESTIC PHOENIX. THAT WILL BE THE SIMBLE OF ROME. THE ONE OF A PHOENIX THAT RISES FROM IT'S OWN ASHES. ROMA INVICTA.
How fucking epic would this be if something similar would have been said by the byzantine emperor who was responsable for such an incredible task
As soon as possible, thx BudgetMonk, we love YOU)
I also found the first war pretty easy this patch. I picked byzantium just to try them out with no particular strategy and with Serbia as an ally and Epirus as vassal completely crushed the ottomans. No restarts first try. Struggled a lot with economy though because i fuked up the new estate interactions. Just didnt read them properly.
The problem with Byz in this game is that the timeline starts in 1444, so people always ask "why didn't Byzantium do this in 1444?"
In reality, 1400s Byzantium is practically dead. Only through unrealistic gameplay mechanics does Byzantium come back after 1453. It's much more realistic and believable that Byzantium could have come back anytime during 1300s or before, which is why I prefer to play as Byzantium in CK2 to prevent it from shitting itself, then use conversion mods to port it to EU4. For added challenge that is still realistic, you could pick a date after the Latin Empire takes over Constantinople.
I was really surprise with 1.30, Ottomans didn't attacked Byzantium at all before 1460 at least in my current game. In 1.29, Constantinople was often taken in the first year even before the Maine incident fired in France.
Effectively galleys have 24 cannons in an inland sea due to their bonus, so for 100 sailors you get 24 Guns with a galley and 100 for 20 guns with light ships. Light ships do cost less sailors per combat width though.
Okay, I guess that might not effect nr of guns for Naval barrage. But since heavies cost 5 sailors per cannon, just like light ships, isn't it cheaper to build heavies? Or do you save all the light ships for protecting trade?
So how many Barques and how many galleys should I build in total?
Huzzah, a man of the people!
The 6k stack that is "very vital" gets stack wiped as soon as they get across the straight
This goes way too fast for me to catch any of the strategy involved. I must be doing something wrong because the forts are always out of mothballs by the time I get there and I can't get Albania to attach or Knights to join. Basically what I do is take a bunch of loans, seige down their forts the slow way, stack wipe the ottomans, and when I win, I get all my cores and the war spoils pay for my loans.
I also have been unable to duplicate it, but then he is using a lot of DLC I dont have too.
@@beojack4592 true. I don't have the DLCs either, so right off the bat I'm missing monopoly priveledges etc
GOD HAS SPOKEN! REJOICE AND LISTEN TO THE MONK ON A BUDGET.
Loans loans loans LOANS, I can never recover from all the credit i've taken x_x D: ;-; i am crying that i must always go bankrupt
I found a easy way, improve with all country near you that you can ally, move all troops to morea, dont ally anyone till you see otto prep army to invade, then ally all( usualy 7 nation- serbia,albania,imareti, trebizon, ramazan and sometimes candar or wallachia or moldavia or even karaman) attach albanian troop with skender, rush 4th mil tech and wait your ally to occupy anatolia, then wait them to croos to constantinople bcs you will have naval dominance and its free and easy to take 100%
Not sure about the new patch because of new mercs but in the old patch you could just go with Wallachia and if you really need it Albania and merc tryharding
Leaves your country kinda unstable if you can't take money from loans but meh microing can handle it
BudgetMonk is a 3 star general
Everything works as described except that the ottomans always keep their forts maintained. There is no way to get those two essential forts in one month. While I'm sieging them, the Ottoman army casually walks over and annihilates me.
carpet siege provinces without forts to distract them
It's 10.20 am and I've just woke up to the notification sound of the video👌.
Thank you for the video! Would love to see a Very Hard version as well :)
THE KING IS BACK
In my first try Naples immediately gained independence and allied the ottomans with AQ. This was after I had conquered candar and epirus as well and got a +1 stab event.
Any tips for playing The Knights into Jerusalem in the current patch? I'm an above average EU4 player and after at least a dozen attempts I have given up. I don't want to wait for the Mamluks to be weak, I want to beat the Ottomans within a decade.
Do provence instead lmao King Rene OP
@@VMUDream how so?
@@erikdk321 Provence can from Jerusalem , and is In a Unique spot to ally France, Castile and Austria while maybe joining the HRE. its mission tree has some cool stuff like -20% dip annex cost for rest of the game. No CB into africa and snake to the gold mine if money is an issue, then if you just follow the mission tree into a PU on naples. Still two of my fave nations to play good luck bro
cant ottomans cross from biga to gallipoli because they control both sides of the straits regardless of a enemy navy occupying the sea?
Been waiting for this for weeks.
Odds Bodkin same
I remember the most pissed off I have ever been at this game was failing my Byzantium strategy 10 times in a row then going to play Austria and looking over to see a fully restored Byzantium by the AI they eventually exploded but the fact they got all there cores back annoyed me
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Epix nae nae
ok, i did not complain about this on your previous byz guide eventhough I knew it wasn't a reliable guide, but enough is enough I guess. This strat simply does not reliably work. The moment the Ottoman navy decides to engage yours in Marmara, you get rekt. The moment your allies act stupidly, you fail. If the Ottos are allied to Crimea, their navy poses a serious threat. I've also seen time and again that the Ottos sometimes engage in land battles. You mentioned it, but you can't always dow Epirus instantly because they are tend to get allies. A strategy based on restarts and lucks is not a strategy. I might as well make a guide suggesting to restart until Ottomans fight 3 front war and collapse. It just doesn't make sense to me that so many people are ok with this.
If you belive this a purely skill and strategy based guide, I dare you to do this 3 times in a raw in a live stream?
Let me tell you how a reliable strat should be;
1) Counterespionage the Ottos
2) Improve with Hungary
3) Scornfully insult a Hungarian rival
4) Select Venice as rival if Hungary selected them as rival for common rival bonus(not mandatory)
5) Recruit a diplo rep/improve relation advisor (not mandatory)
6) Ally Hungary,Albania and Knights
7) Build spynetwork on the Ottos
8) Wait for the Ottos to fight a relatively big war in their Eastern borders and dow them when they are commited there
9) Call to arms Albania, Hungary and Knights via promise land
10) Win the war, claim some/all of your cores back
I never liked strategies that aim for the "ideal" start and bunch of restarts. I don't like this guide for yours.
One thing I've found is that if you land your troops with a bit of a delay (like departing with the transports from Corinth on the 31st), you can most definitely catch both Kocaeli and Gallipoli ungarrisoned, and since they always try and beeline Athens, they won't send enough troops to stop you from winning both sieges (as well as the one in Selanik of course). After that, if you bait them into trying to unsiege Selanik and win a fight there, you can just park yourself in Sofya because that's the only place they can retreat to, which wipes both of their starting stacks and trivializes the war.
This strategy doesn’t even come close to working lmao. The knights never join the war, the ottomans always have an army camped outside of Constantinople, and the ottoman troops in Anatolia can always just bypass your navy.
Very nice win but damn, slow down... I couldn't even enjoy the video as a playthrough, let alone a guide, it's just too fast. Otherwise it's a very entertaining vid!
cool video, I am excited about your Hungary campaign
Relative to Patch 1.30.4, the knights raid even with the guarantee, and my negative opinion modifier prevents me from allying them.
I guaranteed the Knights but they still raid me...I guess a minor patch changed this?
The purple Phoenix shall rise
Why not send insult and scornful insult to rivals for sweet power projection?
The knights got a malevolent ruler....
And the Ottomans allied Bohemia.