The Political Filter of Starship Troopers

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  • Опубликовано: 4 ноя 2024

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  • @Zillamang
    @Zillamang 7 месяцев назад +134

    Physically Remove Bug.

    • @poker8086
      @poker8086 7 месяцев назад +13

      Helicopter.

    • @No.00000
      @No.00000 7 месяцев назад

      With attached flamethrowers​@@poker8086

    • @joem.9256
      @joem.9256 7 месяцев назад +22

      Total Bug Death

    • @screwstatists7324
      @screwstatists7324 7 месяцев назад

      Xenocide the Martian vampires.
      AI are classic humans though.

    • @screwstatists7324
      @screwstatists7324 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@joem.9256they could simply be denied positive civil rights and "voluntarily" deported to their home world. We can also demand very heavy taxes be paid if they want to use human services and stop giving them bug juice for free.

  • @tictacterminator
    @tictacterminator 7 месяцев назад +77

    I always tell people Starship Troopers is about a career in the military
    it's not really about fightin bugs

    • @chuckchalmers4960
      @chuckchalmers4960 7 месяцев назад +17

      But, the ayyo fighting in the book is still dope. No one else has made power armor as cool as the SST novel.

    • @RedGod55
      @RedGod55 7 месяцев назад +8

      @@chuckchalmers4960thank you someone said it!

  • @Dogmelter42
    @Dogmelter42 7 месяцев назад +54

    Just stumbled in here. Honestly? Great take. I find it kind of insane how the Bug People are screaming about 'media literacy', while Paul Verhooven literally did not read the book he was adapting.

    • @UnclePengy
      @UnclePengy 7 месяцев назад

      Can we start calling liberals "The Bug People" now?

    • @randallbesch2424
      @randallbesch2424 2 месяца назад +1

      That is a problem. He sees it as not too different in ethos to the Fascists. The movie depiction is something else not Fascist as we know it. We could be so lucky to develop that way.

  • @zillatorian1180
    @zillatorian1180 7 месяцев назад +68

    Imagine getting so radicalized that you start rooting for the bad guys from galaga

    • @Mallard942
      @Mallard942 20 дней назад

      It's this weird thing leftist do, as the chart shows, they'll identify with the furthest thing from themselves, provided that thing is looked down on by their own.
      I couldn't give a shit about Israel/Palestine, but looking at the leftist, they side with the Palestinians as a knee jerk reaction because;
      1. Palestinians are much further removed culturally from them than Israel, which is western.
      2. Palestinians are lesser, being poorer, less developed and more savage.
      Essentially, these leftist grant the ultimate benefit of the doubt to foreign things, and the most critical view possible of their own societies.
      I think it stems from them being freaks in their own societies, and thus the enemy of their enemy becomes their friend.
      That's also why they're often such horrible people when given power, they just don't like anyone, because so far, only the unknown might like them, because the known hates them.

  • @zacharymrosko8929
    @zacharymrosko8929 7 месяцев назад +46

    Cinema Wins will never recover from this.

    • @dink7458
      @dink7458 6 месяцев назад

      what did he do?

    • @zacharymrosko8929
      @zacharymrosko8929 6 месяцев назад

      Cinema wins makes videos about ways movies were good, he thought the Starship troopers movie tells people what fascism is.@@dink7458

    • @robertmiralles6334
      @robertmiralles6334 11 дней назад +1

      @@dink7458Made a video about Starship Troopers and fell for the narrative that the film about Starship Troopers is fascist propaganda.

  • @screwstatists7324
    @screwstatists7324 7 месяцев назад +29

    Heinline was truly one of thr greatest philosophers and authors in history, arguably ever. His work will be cherished by humanity for millenia.

    • @randallbesch2424
      @randallbesch2424 2 месяца назад

      His point of view was certainly not authoritarian. That kind of society is much better than our own. No drug war, no sex war, no race war, and everyone votes if they serve just 2 years in the military. Like going to school. we would be much stronger because of it. It looks like it was the Federation that started the war and could end it tomorrow.

  • @clydemarshall8095
    @clydemarshall8095 7 месяцев назад +18

    Heinlein called it limited democracy, but I think meritocratic republic is perhaps more accurate.

  • @S.J.L
    @S.J.L 7 месяцев назад +16

    I'm to the right of Conan and this came out when I was a teen but I've never watched this whole movie until this week. Good review. Keep it up.

  • @johnlockelmao4238
    @johnlockelmao4238 7 месяцев назад +15

    You, Whatifalthist, TIKHistory, ShortFatOtaku, and a handful of others I would say are my favorite video essayists. Good to see you back man!

    • @Voltricity435
      @Voltricity435 7 месяцев назад +2

      if you like them, you'd like mentiswave if you haven't checked him out already

    • @Kodeb8
      @Kodeb8 6 месяцев назад

      I like Styxxhexenhammer too.

    • @Kodeb8
      @Kodeb8 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@Voltricity435 Hell yeah! Mentis is the man!

    • @mikkelbjerring2914
      @mikkelbjerring2914 5 месяцев назад

      @@Voltricity435 Mentis is THE guy.

  • @RedGod55
    @RedGod55 7 месяцев назад +11

    Listening to the audio book of starship troopers at work and watched the movie with my girlfriend, had to think of the movie as a parody of the book just to finish watching it lol

    • @crawnprinceofdarkness848
      @crawnprinceofdarkness848 7 месяцев назад +3

      I do about the same, or consider them separate because thinking of them as the same tends to ruin both. Bacickly I treat the movie as mindless action flashing on screan to get your hear rate up, and the book as a thought experiment.

  • @danielbowman7226
    @danielbowman7226 2 месяца назад +2

    Heinlein made genius attempt to envision system of Stable Republic.
    Later in his works it is pretty clear, he put his hopes in technology - to be free requires constant moving of the frontier.

  • @bobadger4771
    @bobadger4771 7 месяцев назад +16

    Really roasted these bugs in the last section, lol

  • @Kitkat-986
    @Kitkat-986 7 месяцев назад +17

    He created the perfect society and then criticized it as fascist by making them dress like Wolfenstein bad guys.

    • @vodkaboy
      @vodkaboy 4 месяца назад +1

      very ironic comment

    • @valdamirlebanon4508
      @valdamirlebanon4508 2 месяца назад

      Idk haw so many people don't get this, but the point of the film is that the bugs and the federation are ultimately not different from each other. They are both societies completely lacking in individuality, where all people live to serve their leaders, who in turn throw them into pointless meatgrinders with little to no consideration for the lives of the soldiers themselves. The only real difference is that the humans suppress their individuality while the bugs never had it to begin with. If you think this is a bad satire that's fine, but this guy and everyone in the comments are arguing against a strawman.

    • @Kitkat-986
      @Kitkat-986 2 месяца назад +5

      @@valdamirlebanon4508 That may well have been the director's intention, but it doesn't come off that way. It comes off as a comedy where the good guys are idiotic but well intentioned, not as a gritty dystopian setting where an uncaring government intentionally kills its own troops with bad tactics. The Sky Marshal who was in charge of the disasterous first battle actually resigned. If anything, the federation in Starship Troopers is more accountable than our own government. The bugs are clearly the aggressors, totally in the wrong here, there isn't even the slight justification like there was in the book of a rouge human settlement accidentally disrupting a bug hive. Every military action the Federation takes is intended to be to protect its society, they're just comedically incompetent at times.

    • @valdamirlebanon4508
      @valdamirlebanon4508 2 месяца назад

      @@Kitkat-986 What do you mean it doesn't show it? The officers and politicians send their soldiers out in human waves that seem almost purposefully designed to kill as many as possible. Their people are established from the beginning to be nothing more then cannon fodder, just like the bugs. Simultaneously you'll notice that they're politicians and talking heads never seem to have any battle scars to speak of, even though they've supposedly all served, showing that they were able to afford a much more comfortable "service" then people like Rico. This is all further reinforced in the end where it's shown that they're burning through their populations so quickly they're being forced to recruit children, implying that potentially billions of people have died in this war.

    • @valdamirlebanon4508
      @valdamirlebanon4508 2 месяца назад

      @@Kitkat-986 What are you talking about? The Federations (suspiciously scarless) politicians and their military leaders throw both their ships and their people at the enemy in enormous mindless waves just like the bugs, killing so many soldiers that they have to start recruiting child soldiers by the end. There's no armor or artillery support, nor vehicles of any kind in fact, just people on foot running at their enemy without even the most basic sense of organization. Based on the way the movie portrays them, the Federation seems intent on killing as many of their own people as possible over the course of the war.

  • @GiRR007
    @GiRR007 2 дня назад +1

    “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”

  • @KhanTrav
    @KhanTrav 6 месяцев назад +6

    I read the book as a kid and I loved it. I was a boy scout, a US Marine, and I have been a career cop. I found Heinlein's Juveniles to be pretty relatable.

  • @ProjectD13X
    @ProjectD13X 7 месяцев назад +14

    Would you do a video on Dune? The media literacycels are having quite the normal one with the popular reaction of liking Paul

    • @CeaddaOfMercia
      @CeaddaOfMercia  7 месяцев назад +8

      Not a bad idea. I love the first novel and it's nowhere near as politically charged as this but still very interesting and a good exploration of the broader human condition.

    • @nocomment3294
      @nocomment3294 7 месяцев назад +3

      @@CeaddaOfMercia if you read only the first dune novel, you are in for a surprise from 2-4, five and six might be incomprehensible if you only get one message from the series.

  • @hkmorhsi
    @hkmorhsi 2 месяца назад +2

    The fact that the director is a leftist that was bored in the postmodern industry, but made this masterpiece by someone narrating it to him... And the leftist (clear majority) audience, in his intention, see satire in the absolutely naked reality of the movie...
    It's beautiful, like god himself exposing these people

    • @randallbesch2424
      @randallbesch2424 2 месяца назад

      Really, what constitutes a "Leftist" in your book?

  • @DrLynch2009
    @DrLynch2009 7 месяцев назад +3

    This video needs more views.

  • @crusader2112
    @crusader2112 7 месяцев назад +3

    Excellent video. New subscriber. I watched some of your old videos, good work.
    On Heinlein: I very much like the ideas in Starship Troopers. I'd say I hold Heinlein in high regard. I also like elements of Jeffersonianism, and Jacksonianism. I also am a fan of Catholic Distributism. Which proposes a Catholic decentralized society of property owners and co-ops. Keep up the great work.

  • @isaackirkwood-smith5182
    @isaackirkwood-smith5182 7 месяцев назад +26

    What you highlighted about extreme leftists expressing a thinly veiled self hatred certainly resonated and I've had similar thoughts.
    The psychological field (dominated by leftists) generally asserts that right wing individuals are motivated by disgust and left wingers by empathy, but I beleive that there is a flip side to that - Left wingers are motivated by Envy and Right wingers perhaps by beauty?
    Interesting video by the way. I enjoyed listening during my afternoon smoke. Happy Easter.

    • @wingsoffreedom3589
      @wingsoffreedom3589 7 месяцев назад +4

      Beauty as a synonym for order

    • @davidlewis6728
      @davidlewis6728 7 месяцев назад

      "the empathetic left" is an absolute lie. they only empathize with bugs. they are just as disgusted by the right as the right are of them.

    • @ArtyoumPlays
      @ArtyoumPlays 7 месяцев назад

      ​​@@wingsoffreedom3589
      Order they way they as individuals believe it should be

    • @sometimeslol5578
      @sometimeslol5578 7 месяцев назад

      anyone would say the group they agree with is motivated by a good thing and the other group is motivated by a bad thing. maybe right wingers are afraid of change because it makes them unhappy and left wingers are afraid of statue quo because it makes them unhappy. dont be tricked

    • @isaackirkwood-smith5182
      @isaackirkwood-smith5182 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@wingsoffreedom3589 I suppose order was the exact word I was trying to avoid as it can be interpreted as having authoritarian overtones, but yes you are right.

  • @Pablo-f1p7w
    @Pablo-f1p7w 7 месяцев назад +2

    Excelent video. Deeply thought. Great book and author. Really, Thank you.

  • @creepycraiyons3519
    @creepycraiyons3519 7 месяцев назад +4

    Would you like to know more?

  • @Pablo-f1p7w
    @Pablo-f1p7w 7 месяцев назад +7

    8:26 IN BUENOS AIRES?? WHY?? 😅 Just watching out of curiosity, and suddenly astro-soviets are blowing up my city... Lol! -- Great video, love yr content, keep it up.

  • @Robert6P6M
    @Robert6P6M 7 месяцев назад +8

    I think it's a bit dishonest to say that the director of the film related more to the bugs than the humans. By his own admission, his point was that the federation was only capable of effectively fighting bugs, implying that he thinks that the bugs are lower lifeforms even compared to fascists.

    • @hangingchad1616
      @hangingchad1616 7 месяцев назад +1

      Based.

    • @Robert6P6M
      @Robert6P6M 7 месяцев назад

      @@hangingchad1616 pardon?

    • @Cloud_Seeker
      @Cloud_Seeker 7 месяцев назад +9

      The director also never read the book and have no idea what fascism even is.

    • @Robert6P6M
      @Robert6P6M 7 месяцев назад

      @@Cloud_Seeker yeah... And...?

    • @Cloud_Seeker
      @Cloud_Seeker 7 месяцев назад +6

      @@Robert6P6MSo you think that if you adopt a book to a movie and want to make a parody of fascism you shouldn't know what those things are about?

  • @ricksuter6038
    @ricksuter6038 7 месяцев назад +3

    It reminds me of when I shoot my first gun...I'm from the US btw people on the left tend to look at me like a monster or I'm crazy but is it crazy to take your own protection into your own hands. To me it's quite selfish to rely on others for ones protection.

  • @gavenludtke7547
    @gavenludtke7547 7 месяцев назад +5

    You in particular should read the Forever War.

  • @MaitlandJones
    @MaitlandJones 7 месяцев назад +1

    This video is why I subscribed to you today.

  • @mileslugo6430
    @mileslugo6430 8 дней назад

    Paul kind of sounds like a less self-aware Todd Philips

  • @blackstar_1069
    @blackstar_1069 7 месяцев назад +1

    Beautiful video mate 🤘😼

  • @1MDA
    @1MDA 7 месяцев назад +5

    I enjoyed the book alot more than the movie. And I enjoyed this video more than the movie.

  • @Robert6P6M
    @Robert6P6M 7 месяцев назад +4

    I think the closest you can describe the federation with a modern label is: Minarchist Roman Style Republic (without the caste system)

    • @sometimeslol5578
      @sometimeslol5578 7 месяцев назад

      thats the fool of it all any republic will form a caste system

    • @Robert6P6M
      @Robert6P6M 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@sometimeslol5578 Class is not the same as caste...

    • @randallbesch2424
      @randallbesch2424 2 месяца назад

      @@Robert6P6M we have a caste system since 1619 in the what is now the USA and England. Based off of color.

    • @Robert6P6M
      @Robert6P6M 2 месяца назад

      @@randallbesch2424 k

  • @jorden9821
    @jorden9821 5 месяцев назад +1

    The Moon is a Harsh Mistress also influenced David Friedman

  • @Chounubis
    @Chounubis 7 месяцев назад +3

    I believe a truly brilliant Libertarian/Old-school Catholic you should look into is Frank van Dun (close friend of Hans Hoppe), and his works on Anselm (his short and concise "Argumentum Anselmi") and on Anselm's Libertarian-Platonism vs. the Nominalistic hellscape of Luther and Calvin, the latter of which led to the nihilism and materialism of the modern world ("What Exactly Did The Protestant Reformation Reform?") Very, very illuminating stuff.

  • @wingsoffreedom3589
    @wingsoffreedom3589 7 месяцев назад +2

    Great to have you back

  • @randallbesch2424
    @randallbesch2424 2 месяца назад +1

    Leftists verses Progressive not the same.
    Starship Troopers need a remake.

  • @mrward6510
    @mrward6510 9 дней назад +1

    Rather this society than what we have today

  • @j.j.hector735
    @j.j.hector735 3 месяца назад

    24:01 what’s funny is that there’s two seemly insane people (The Teacher and “Bugs Dumb” Guy) and both of them are in the propaganda films

  • @brianzimmerman4837
    @brianzimmerman4837 7 месяцев назад

    I just think it's funny that I went from a starship troopers novel fan to learning about libertarianism, discovering agorism, and ending in reading in being a bigger fan of more novels.

  • @Victor-kt6qn
    @Victor-kt6qn 7 месяцев назад +5

    A lot of logical fallacies in your video essay. Firstly classic demonstration of cherry picking examples in the real world, not applies to others not mentioned, and major bias. Misunderstanding in what certain ideologies are. I’m guessing, again, bias sources that try to push your point.

    • @marshall_zhukov
      @marshall_zhukov 7 месяцев назад +6

      Rare contrarian comment : could you please elaborate the fallacies you see ?

    • @commonsay4191
      @commonsay4191 29 дней назад +1

      "That's a lot of fallacies" *barely elaborates*

  • @diijjon
    @diijjon 7 месяцев назад +2

    The command isn't to which the narrator refers is more in line with autocratic totalitarianism. The Marcus communism to which the narrator alludes is more in line with that human-centered and cooperative governance That does not, in fact, erode individuality but offers opportunity for the flourishing of it.
    Starship troopers is a really important work from which numerous nuanced takes are derived.
    The comment section has me in stitches with shorthand jingo phrases for the funny.

  • @MDIFAU
    @MDIFAU 7 месяцев назад +4

    I know this isn’t really related to your video but how do you as a Christian view the concept of resisting against the government, it’s a concept I’ve been struggling with lately as a libertarian and a Christian, perhaps you could make a video about this. (Scripture tells us to submit to earthly government but also to stand against injustices)

    • @radiokunio3738
      @radiokunio3738 4 месяца назад +2

      I see it this way, when asked about whether to pay taxes Jesus pointed to the inscription of the coin. Why is that important? Because back then you sent metals to a mint to be turned into coins and you could tell who minted those coins by the inscription. Since Caesar minted those coins, he has a right to them. However the same couldn't be said if I decided to use a private mint or minted my own coins. Today the US has a right to tax US minted money, but not a right to tax Gold, Crypto or any other form of currency.

  • @zaqwsx41375
    @zaqwsx41375 3 дня назад

    Great video.
    Bullshit about Soviets though.
    I agree about ideas of the book.
    A don't read Marks, but strongly disagree with comparing modern leftist and soviets.

  • @mileslugo6430
    @mileslugo6430 8 дней назад

    What is a Belocracy or how ever you spell it?

  • @ehhwhatevericantthinkofago8903
    @ehhwhatevericantthinkofago8903 3 месяца назад +2

    ... 27:30 ish ... I think that painting your political interlocutors as less than human is probably not a good thing. As someone who used to believe all the same things painted here I can tell you that when you start dehumanizing your political opposition you are the one who is captured by an evil ideology. I pray you learn to see your fellow man with love before you see them with discussed in vitriol.

    • @commonsay4191
      @commonsay4191 29 дней назад

      I can see where you're coming from, but if I was an ant and someone called me communist, heads would roll.

  • @neimenovani7256
    @neimenovani7256 7 месяцев назад +5

    27:54 oh cmmon im ugly af but im right wing

    • @CeaddaOfMercia
      @CeaddaOfMercia  7 месяцев назад +2

      Socrates is a man, but not all men are Socrates!

    • @neimenovani7256
      @neimenovani7256 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@CeaddaOfMercia I see, thank you friend

  • @thefrenchareharlequins2743
    @thefrenchareharlequins2743 7 месяцев назад

    you should use your substack to upload scripts of your videos

  • @yomama3622
    @yomama3622 7 месяцев назад +1

    One of the most interesting aspects of it (that's often neglected by leftists) is that Rico is constantly asked both in the book and movie whether or not his decision to join the military is his own choice. It's because his society values a person fully accepting responsibility that comes with agency.
    I'm sorry but that really does not scream fascism to me. Only a few members from his class even join up, the rest go into the private sector. Which, from what we can tell, is largely untouched by the state apparatus. But of course, leftists will cry that Rico is simply brainwashed and is incapable of his own decision making.
    This really just comes from the fundamental & infantile idea on the left that a person is incapable of taking ownership of anything, whether it be their life or property. It's no wonder so many of them become mask off tankie communists when you get down to it.

    • @scruffopone3989
      @scruffopone3989 7 месяцев назад

      I mean they clearly *don't* have the ability to be responsible for anything seeing as their entire education system is about drilling fascism into their brains and drilling into them how to kill bugs.

    • @randallbesch2424
      @randallbesch2424 2 месяца назад

      What Leftists?

  • @scruffopone3989
    @scruffopone3989 7 месяцев назад +1

    Yeah a monarchist would totally hate a movie that turns fascism into a joke. Big shocker.

  • @Arpitan_Carpenter
    @Arpitan_Carpenter 5 месяцев назад

    This channel turned so based

  • @UnclePengy
    @UnclePengy 7 месяцев назад +2

    Helldivers II is better satire than Verhoeven’s film. And yet, even better at making everyone want to identify with the humans, because it's just funny. (For the same reason everyone loved shouting, "America, f*** yeah!" when Team America: World Police came out.) And that's been infuriating left-leaning activists (who generally hate good-natured fun of any sort), who have been trying unsuccessfully to insert themselves into the Helldivers universe since its inception.

    • @scruffopone3989
      @scruffopone3989 7 месяцев назад +4

      Bro what the fuck are you talking about, everyone in my Helldivers friend group gets the satire and does Kayfabe. You seem to be inventing people to be angry at.

    • @UnclePengy
      @UnclePengy 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@scruffopone3989 You 100% misunderstood my post. And I'm not angry at anyone.

    • @randallbesch2424
      @randallbesch2424 2 месяца назад

      @@UnclePengy then you missed your mark on making your point.

    • @valdamirlebanon4508
      @valdamirlebanon4508 2 месяца назад

      Who are these "left wing activists" who think helldivers 2 and Team America aren't parodies? I've never seen or heard of anyone who gets mad when people quote or support those properties. Maybe you shouldn't go out of your way to look for people to piss yourself off.

  • @valdamirlebanon4508
    @valdamirlebanon4508 2 месяца назад

    Nah, it's pretty reasonable to call this form of government despicable imo. A person is their own property and a society is a collection of individual persons, so any person who restricts the capacity of the individuals within that society, to exercise their authority over that society, is necessarily committing an act of theft. In fact it's arguably one of the most morally heinous forms of theft that's possible to commit, since much like slavery it directly robs a person of their very humanity. For this reason, while all government ultimately relies on theft (taxes), any non democratic government also relies on a type of theft so extremely evil that it is incomparable to something as comparatively unimportant as taxes. Taking my money is awful, but it's nothing compared to striping me of my humanity on such a fundamental level. Both the federation and the bugs are societies of slaves who either lost of never had the ability to think for themselves, and anyone who calls themselves a libertarian shouldn't aspire to live in such a society.

  • @siluda9255
    @siluda9255 9 дней назад

    2:40, bro we see you tumbnail and channel photo yo aint fooling anyone yo on the facist side my friend xD

  • @primusdragon
    @primusdragon 7 месяцев назад +1

    Phisically removing "the chosen people" when?

    • @Nikwunu
      @Nikwunu 5 месяцев назад +3

      that's not what physical removal means. physical removal means property owners excluding people from their property, not removing people from said people's own property.

  • @philguer4802
    @philguer4802 7 месяцев назад +2

    Cry more