Important note: Only the XLR/combo inputs have dual analogue to digital converters so they're the only inputs that support wider dynamic range capture.
I suppose the limited max SPL rating on the built-in condensers make this a moot point- they will most likely clip before the converters anyway. But if they're limited to 24-bit, doesn't that make a manual gain/attenuator control even more important when using them?
@@curtisjudd Thank you for doing these videos. As someone who's been in the tv business for 17 years now, audio was never my strongest. I understood it and knew alot, but your videos have refined and added clarity to any confusion. So thank you. I was hoping you can just give me some advice on something I don't think you've ever mentioned in any of your videos. When doing interviews we'll throw the mkh50 on the boom and the cos 11 on a sony mic into a mixpre6 II. Ive been considering changing the boom over to wireless using Sony's plug on tx in order to cut down on wires and to make setup easier. What would be your advice on doing this? RF interference aside, my main concern is does this basically make the mixer's preamps null and void? And therefore would just going into camera yield the similar results? We shoot with 2 FX6s. Any insight or direction to trim down our setup would be helpful. Thanks!
Hi Curtis ! Totally agree with you ! I’m a blind field recordist, who own the H6essential, as it’s the most advanced multi channel portable recorder packing a voice guidance system available on the market. From this point of view, it is a pleasant and easy to use device, and I have to say that the 32bits float is a very handy feature for people who can’t check the levels on a screen. My only complain might be about the preamps, which are not the best ever, compared to those of my Centrance MixerFace R4R for example. But honestly, if you pair the H6essential with some hot output microphones like the Rycote OM-08 and CA-08, the results are really decent in most of the cases. In addition, the built-in mics of the H6E are decent, which doesn’t seem to be the case with the H4E. Of course, I would have wished that the ZOOM F3,F6, or even M4 and SD MixPre’s may pack a similar accessibility feature, but for lack of anything better, the H6essential is a good starting point for visually impaired field recordists, in my opinion. Cheers ! Kevin
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Thank you for this Curtis. I’m also a long time user of the H4 range and this time, stepped down to the H1e which I found underwhelming as well. I decided to wait with regards to the H4E because of my experience with preamp noise hasn’t been great with the h4’s and I suspected the same from the H4E as you have found. I guess the H1e is the same in that it is aimed at people starting out in audio. I started with noisy preamps, so I guess it was good ‘training’ to learn tricks to minimise and I think I was hoping for a little bit more from the H4E this time around. Many thanks for going to the trouble of testing it.
@@JoeCastellon From my perspective, they need to manage their bias in the way that they're comfortable with and be very clear with the audience about any potential bias risks.
As usual a video I enjoyed to watch. And I totally agree with the 'outgrowing' statement. My first recorder was a H4n and not long after that I got me a Zoom F4. Yes, it was quite more money to spend, but I still use it. Other than the H4n it always felt like a swiss army knife of sound recording to me. I am still only a hobbyist on his way to become an amateur, but having a recorder that suits you can be, as they say, priceless. If I may add, I personally prefer the summary at the beginnings. But then again, it's your party and I'm only a guest here. However, please keep up the great work, I will kepp watching wherever the summaries are to be found.
Thanks! We moved the summary to the end because the recent RUclips algorithm seemed to be punishing our videos ruthlessly with the summary at the start. But, we still index the video so you can jump right there if you need it.
I'm happy I caught this review. My Tascam DR-40 was recently stolen and for the first time in 10 years I've had to think about buying a new audio recorder. I was really considering the Zoom F3 because all I need is two channels to record my podcast, with no extra bells and whistles, but wondered whether the dynamic range and professional grade was overkill for recording two people talking. However seeing this review and others about the essential series reminded me about the quality of the pre-amps in the Zoom "prosumer" grade equipment - so this has helped make the right decision. Thanks!
As someone with both a portacapture x8 and a zoom h6 essential, they're definitely meant for different groups, and honestly I like both for what they do. I find the portacapture is going to give you much cleaner audio and much more control over the output, while the h6 essential is basically designed for "turn it on, maybe change two settings, record." I personally am no recording expert by any stretch of the imagination, but my test recordings so far have been fine, though my use case is wildly different from yours. Mine is currently being used as a portable recorder for myself and a couple pieces of electronic music gear while I'm out and about. The capsule mic is pointed at me, while my gear is hooked in via TRS connectors set up in stereo. Super simple, and I can just turn it on, record and have fun. I can almost do the same with the portacapture, but I find I regularly have to fiddle with settings and stuff before recording for a few minutes. I'll have to see if I can do a side by side of the same audio sources at the same time onto both recorders to see what the differences is in the final product.
Just grabbed the H6 E to replace my H8, still haven’t messed around with it just yet but I love recording live bands and plugging it in to the sound board. It’s nice not having to worry about sound while I’m filming
Thanks for the video. Good unit for people starting off. Your video has made me realise something! I now see the value on my F8nPro/F6 of having the option to adjust/set the record levels for each track input. That way, you can potentially minimize the noise floor of the mics! Yes? It hadn't occurred to me before and I'd wondered about those seemingly redundant level functions in a 32bit machine. Brilliant! Thanks.🙂
There is a rudimentary mixer on the H4e but it is post fader so you’re not getting noise floor benefits. Technically, same with the F6 and F8n Pro when in 32-bit float mode. HOWEVER, the preamps are MUCH cleaner on the F3 - F8n Pro so you don’t have to contend with self noise in most cases.
Just one more thing, as Columbo would say. When the F8nPro front faders are set to trim on the main GUI panel (the Trim Fader Pan selectables) it does appear that you can adjust the recorded input levels. This is quite apart from the mix fader function. So perhaps this can indeed help with mic noise??? Sorry to harp on about this. I have a genuine but weird blind spot about this aspect of the recorder. My IQ feels like it drops to single digits! 😅Thanks.@@curtisjudd
@@HeathcliffBlair On the F8n Pro, the trim setting is digital trim and not analogue pre-amp trim. So you are, in fact, boosting the already converted-to-digital audio signal in the digital realm. This means the noise floor IS being raised, but the preamplifier is very clean so this is rarely a practical issue. More details here: ruclips.net/video/8MfCY6d3ujk/видео.htmlfeature=shared&t=137
I'm a long time ZOOM user with 5 different ZOOM recorders. I bought a TASCAM X8 a year ago because I got tired of waiting for a new H6 model from ZOOM. The X8 is everything the new ZOOM models should be. I'm really disappointed that they didn't improve the pre-amps and noise on the new models. I also think they missed something by not offering 24-bit or having volume controls, like the X8 does. I don't find that 32-bit is needed, or works best, for everything. My 8 year old 24-bit H6 still makes great recordings. I just wonder what ZOOM was thinking here?
You can avoid post production with this recorder. You can set a post or premix inside the recorder. You can even have it normalize automatically within the recorder and save as a separate file on the memory card in 32, 24, or 16 bit. So when you put the memory card in your computer, you already have a normalized file ready to go.
On a recorder like this, that only records in 32 bit float, you are unable to adjust your levels in real time. So if your recording is too low or too high (peaking or distorting) those levels can be “normalized“ in post. I have my normalization set to -1 dB lower than peaking to ensure my volume will be at a good level without worrying about distortion in the loud parts. So if the recorder recorded at a low level, it can be brought up or if it recorded too high, it could be brought down. Think of 32 bit float as a raw audio file. It has a lot of dynamic range. And think of normalization as “auto“ to get your recording to a level of where it should be. You can still “normalize” a 24 bit or 16 bit file. But you want make sure your levels are set correctly when recording with those two. As 16 bit and 24 bit doesn’t have the dynamic range that 32 bit float offers. And if your recording is peaking and or distorting that cannot be saved. Hope this helps.
@ShaunBaker21 there is one thing I don't get. A lot of experts claimed that a 32bit audio file could be normalized without introducing or increasing the noise (in particular self noise). Based on what Curtis said here, it seems this is not true as he said by normalizing it, he also lifted the noise/hiss. Could someone give me a clear answer about this? Is it true or not?
@ShaunBaker21 can you help me please? I m a wedding videographer. For the party i need to record live loud music from the dj soundboard. On the recorder is written trs line and xlr mic. So I should record sound with trs cable on the recorder and rca on the soundboard. Is h4 essential good for this or shoul I buy zoom f3?
I watched this review and didn't think much of it then I watched another by a prominent wedding videographer reviewing the same unit, I trust this reviewer. He had a lot of positive things to say about this Zoom. I still use my OG H4n a lot in my work as a wedding videographer and I'd love to buy this (if my H4n every dies), I'd be reluctant to use the H4e (or my H4n) for any proper production use but for wedding work it seems perfect. Also it's almost 1/3 the cost of a portacapture and only 2/3 the cost of the F3. It's interesting the different perspectives.
I own a Zoom H6 and have been holding out on going forward on the Essential line once I heard about problems related to handling noise. This bothers me, considering how it is after all, a field recorder, right? Are you planning on providing a review of the H6 Essential? Are the preamps you were critical of with the H4 the same in the H6? Is 32 bit float really a deal breaker for H6 owners to upgrade at this point? Would love your thoughts. You are such a fair reviewer, my friend and fully appreciate your time and efforts.
Reminds me of my Tascam dr40. Not a great recorder but built very well and super reliable. I am surprised they did not give a method to adjust the levels, which seems like a huge oversight given most beginners will want to learn about sound balancing and monitoring recording using headphones. Perhaps they wanted to establish a new 32 bit float, as a way to eliminate the need to adjust, but with a multi input setup, it will be a pain to balance. Great review format.
@@curtisjudd thanks. I suppose if the mics are of similar output that may work, or an external gain block, but that adds cost and complexity that sort of defeats the target market. It does seem like a strange choice of features, but it might be good as a field recorder, and not for studio use.
Thanks for your insightful videos Curtis. Normally I work with a MixPre-6 II, but often the situation calls for a device as small as the Zoom F3. Unfortunately the F3 cannot easily be jam-synced to my Tentacle TC workflow. Do you know of a stereo recorder as small as the F3 which is fully TC capable?
Thank you for all of these reviews, they are very helpful. What would be your recommendation for the best handheld recorder that has both XLR inputs and an built-in microphone? It seems that when the microphone is built-in the pre-amps for the XLRs tend to suffer. Is there a recorder that compromises the least when it comes to this? Thank you!
The H4n was such an easy tool to work with. In stamina mode, its battery lasts for ever. In my company (public radio broadcaster), there are many authors, that want a recorder, where they don’t need to setup much. So the H4n and its successors are still great for them.
@curtisjudd thank you for your tremendous and helpful work, I'm a long time follower and i appreciate your work! Curious to know your opinion on this : I'm looking to get a budget friendly field recorder. I do small solo gigs and need clean audio. The F3 is a bit too expensive for my taste right now. I'm a apprehensive of the H4e mainly because of what you mentionned : poor preamps and 32-bit workflow (I'd prefer adjusting on the field, not in post). Do you think an older, used H4n Pro is still a viable alternative? Is the audio quality (preamps, noise floor) better than the H4e's? How does it compare to the F3? Thank you in advance!
Sure, but none of the ZOOM H series preamps are particularly impressive when it comes to self noise. But may be good enough depending on what you plan to do.
Hi Curtis. You really reign supreme when it comes to reviewing (and giving context to) audio gear. Many thanks. I have a question, if I may. I need a handheld recorder with built in mics. I only need it for recording with the included mics, as if I was going to set up external mics I would use my F6. I want 32bit float so I can reduce setup time. It will only be used for rehearsal recordings, so not anything "finished". Something good enough to send to the musicians to give them a feel for the overall, and even to practice to between rehearsals. I had a Zoom H1E, but was disappointed by the very high noise from those tiny mics. I am thinking of either the H4E or the Tascam X6. The Tascam is almost twice the price of the zoom, here in the UK. Any thoughts and recommendations would be very much appreciated.
Hey Curtis, thanks for the heads up. I’ve been thinking about getting a recorder so I can still make content when I’m away from home and this was on the maybe list. Is there a chance of making a video about DAW controllers/surfaces? Their limitations, which one is best with which DAW etc? There’s a surprising lack of information out there. Thank you and all the best, Jason.
@@curtisjudd Do they actually help speed things up and just as importantly, are they more enjoyable to use (being more tactile than pointing a mouse and hitting keys)? I’ll go and check out your one. I’d better have tissues ready for the eye watering price.
@@StarWarsJay The short answer to does it speed things up: In some situations, yes. You can move multiple faders at the same time with a control surface. When using a mouse on a computer, you can only move one fader at a time. So if you do a lot of multi-channel automation, a control surface can absolutely save a lot of time. Are they more enjoyable to use? That is purely subjective. Some people say yes, others scoff at the concept. Neither are wrong. Totally a personal preference.
@@curtisjudd Thanks mate. Good advice as always. Personally, I think I’d prefer using one. Since I’ve bought a small mixer and mic preamp, I find it easier and less clinical (for want of a better word) to set everything manually. I can imagine a surface having a similar effect. I better start saving haha.
You can actually set levels if you want by going into the menu (rec source) with pre and post and then press the mixer button you can then use the adjuster on the right side. You can also turn off 32 bit float.
Thanks for this info on this device. I just got one of these and I think it will do for what I want which was something portable that I could take with me to places to record sounds for use with my sampler to make beats etc. I'm a beginner both at audio recording and with the sampler and I think this will be ok but if I'm honest I really wanted the Tascam X4 but it was almost double the cost for something I probably won't use enough to justify the extra money at my level.
Thank for review. If connect audio device with 3,5 mm jack to line in what channel it replace? Can i record from line in and xrl (without built-in mics) same time?
And Zoom just lost a ton of sales for making a poor product that doesn't do the one thing it was made to do: record quality audio. Thank you for your honest reviews. I'm hoping that Zoom could have some sort of firmware update to help fix the fixable problems you mention. Most of the reviews I've seen before this was published were all saying similar things, but you're the Internet's expert of audio recording.
Would you recommend this for recording live concerts? I would be using either external mics through the XLR inputs, or from a soundboard with the XLR or Line In inputs, so not the internal mics.
It could work, but...I don't love it for that. The XLR mic inputs can take a max input level of +4dBu so if you're looking to record very loud concerts, I'd look elsewhere.
Hello Curtis I am new to audio recorders. Why do you recommend the Zoom F3 and would it be good for beginners learning how to use them ? I record all talking head videos and just got the Rode PodMic. Thank you for sharing your inputs.
@curtisjudd Another great review vid. Question: I have the Zoom F3 but never really wondered about its pre-amp score with dynamic mics like the Shure SM58. How does the F3 compare with the H4essential?
Is there any difference in sound quality for using only for line in recording from mixer, loud input from wedding bends, 32bit float, is it the same at the end as F3 or X8? Tnx!
I just got my 10 year old H6 replaced under warranty because of the sticky plastic issue, and was hoping for a cross grade, but glad they sent a H6 black so I can still use all of my accessories, plus I have F3 for the more serious stuff. The Fetheads have always been a part of my workflow, so should be good for another 10 easily.
Hi it’s great to get your advice and tips on sound recording. I was wondering why didn’t you talk about Zoom H8. Is that a good one to compare with these what you were mentioning?
Thanks. I was looking at the H6E for it's no clipping and Bluetooth smartphone controls and 1 terra bite capabilities. I presently have a H4n Pro that i record live music sessions straight off the PA outputs through an attenuator cable into the mic jack though I've gotten pretty good at setting the mic imput levels
I'm surprised, because I remember a lot of people claiming that with 32bit float audio, you don't introduce additional noise by lifting/normalizing the audio in post. So that is not the case? Another question I would like to ask, is the Portacapture x6 noticeable better than the Zoom H4essential in terms of self noise? P.S. as you can understand based on my questions, I'm a beginner in terms of audio.
Hi Curtis, If you had to choose between the Zoom H4e and the Zoom H6 (All Black), which would you choose and why? I don't need more than 2 XLR inputs and I have an AT875R
Got the h6e myself, and I'm liking it, though I never use the actual microphones on the recorder, I use my own external microphones when recording. As a visually impaired sound designer, this was quite the upgrade from the h5 given it has accessibility. Over all i'm happy with it. Now, if zoom added accessibility to their other recorders, f8 etc? I' might or might not upgrade, zoom h6e outwith external mikes serves my needs well, and I do a bunch of field recording. Also never had problems with the preamps myself neither with the h5 or h6e being noisy... Then again I don't use this recording for podcasts etc but for sound design and field recording... I guess some people have their expectations set way too high, the mikes you use also has to do with the amount of noise you might get from the preamps, after all, its not just a preamps thing. Although I do wish they had kept the volume knobs like in the h5, h6 origional lineup to make it easier for volume adjustment, then again when your recording with 32bit float, volume isn't as much of a thing as when using non 32bit float recorders, where you need to be quite precise with the levels or risk clipping... which, without accessibility or beeing able to look at the screen for levels is... not fun.
@@curtisjuddI don't blame you to be fair, there really isn't much point. Leaves room for a potential 'Pro' variant of the H series devices in the not too distant future.....
tell me which cable do you use to connect to the DJ console, I mean the tip that you insert into the XLR or TRS recorder itself? For example, there is a REC OUT connector with a RCA connector on the remote control, i.e. a RCA in the remote control, and an XLR or TRS recorder ?
I think the name of the device - or the series of devices - is relevant. The "essentials" title may not mean "it's essential, you have to buy it" but it's more "it's just the essentials" - kind of basic - and indeed your short review identifies this as a device for someone needing a startup recorder, rather than an upgrade from something else.
The first thing I recorded audio onto for a 45 minute short film was a 1992 Panasonic Super VHS Reporter camera, using a shotgun mic and XLR cable. Then I moved to the H4n. Later I went to the H4n Pro, with slightly better preamps....good enough to be used on the H5 and H6 as well. I used it to record sound on a promo short for funding on a feature film. The editor made the audio sound great. Now I've got a Zoom F4 and better shotgun and SDC mics and I've got to play around with them to get proficient with the new recorder. Some day I'm hoping to have a Sound Devices unit, but I don't know if I will get that deep into recording audio or more into lighting and DP work.
@@KenDavis-uo8kq - I would highly recommend following Curtis' advice in his video here. That being said....what is best for you is based on where you are in your pursuits in filmmaking and what your budget is like. If you are beyond a beginner but not yet making a feature film or film for major distribution, either should do fine for you. I used the H4n and then H4n Pro for about a decade and had very acceptable results with them. The H4e will produce the same results, sound-wise, but also has the benefit of 32-bit float, if that is attractive to you. If the F3 that Curtis mentions would work for you (no need for built in mics, maybe only booming) then especially if it is still around $250-ish that would be a good way to go. It has better pre-amps than the H series. I use an F4 now, which looks just like the F8 only with 4 XLR inputs instead of 8 because I don't need that many. I also work with a sound guy who does have the F8 and he gets pretty awesome sound quality. The F8 sold for about $1,000 when it was current. With the F3 you would be getting the same pre-amps and only paying $250, just to give you some context. Lastly, it will come down to the features of the device. Compare how each one executes what it does and if that makes the most sense for you or match your needs. Its always weighing the balance of budget to quality and the best bang for your buck at the place you are at in your pursuits. And also there is always used equipment to save money on. Most of my audio equipment was bought used. I likely saved about 50% in total for all my equipment. I got a $600 shotgun mic for $280. I got a $300 blimp for $80. I got a $600 sound recorder for $300. EVERYONE uses "used" equipment.....or else they would be buying something NEW for every project. ;) Ebay and reverb. com are our friends.
I can agree with the quiet audio being insanely quiet compared to the louder audio. One thing I am not to happy about with this recorder is the absent of auto record. I am a train enthusiast and I use a scanner to get info about what’s going on out on the rails. It would be vital to have auto record so I could record the scanner while saving tons of space. Though it’s not a feature so I gotta just deal with the larger files.
Dear Curtis. Thank you for the video, very much appreciated. In the H4 Manual it says: "On the H4essential, only the INPUT 1 and INPUT 2 jacks have dual A/D converter circuits." Do you have a clue what that means? (I thought the dual A/D converters are necesssary to record 32 bit float... Aren't they?
This means that only the XLR combination inputs have dual converters per input. The other inputs can still record to a 32-bit float file, but they don't get the benefit of wider dynamic range.
Hey Curtis, thank you for this video! I only own an old Tascam Dr40, I was thinking to upgrade with this one to use it with my Rode NGT4+, do you think it's worth it?
KNX News Radio on Los Angeles uses the H4n. I do not recall the mic. but think it is one of the Shure mics on a boom or stand. Anyway, I purchased the H6Essential and sent it back. I did not like the plasticky construction for field use. I think the metal like construction in other products is better for field use like in news environment's etc.
Is the H4E a good recorder for recording ambience/foley with the XY mics? Is the noise floor bad to where it'll be noticeable in something like recording birds in a forest?
Thanks for the review, I was waiting for your opinion. I'm planning on recording cooking sounds and voice overs (and sometimes outside), would the F3 work with Røde VideoMic NTG via the Røde adapter? It's the one I currently have.
My local pro video shop has the F3 for about half price so I grabbed one of those and even with the cost of a set of Clippies it's still not much more expensive than this.. thing.. and I think will give noticeably better results
Comparing this recorder to the F8 N pro I also own, is apples and oranges, but it’s the only zoom I had left. Being blind, I was really looking forward to this, because of the voice guidance. Disappointed to find out it’s lacking so many features from the previous H series, you can’t even pan tracks. What’s up with that? I bought all three recorders to test them, and to my ears, the H6 had the cleanest internal mikes. Hopefully zoom is listening, and will add this voice guidance to their next version of the F8.
thanks for this review. I was thinking about getting the H4e for my clippy mics set-up but more and more people are not to impressed with the Zoom H4ess.
I just bought one of these to throw onto a pair of shotgun mics above downstage for live productions that can be very loud and very soft. I’ll just have to plug into the xlrs and hit record 🤞 also, quick note, your jacket made a lot of noise
Hi! Quick question, is this the 5th generation of the Rode NT1? If not, which exact version is it? I would love to buy one. It sounds phenomenal. Also, other than a hi pass filter and gain raise, did you EQ or use any effects on it in post processing? Thanks!
I just got this one as a replacement for my over 10yr old Tascam DR-05, and although I haven't done much recording with it yet, I do feel some regret. In MY opinion/experience, the DR-05 recorded much better and cleaner. Again, I haven't spent much time with this so it could just be my mind playing tricks on me. I'm a musician (bass) and this Zoom doesn't seem to record it too well. My reason for these is for practices and rehearsals and I definitely want to hear and share them with others as it was recorded, not having to do post production stuff with it. I got this because I wanted to step up to 32-bit float recorders and it seemed to be among the cheaper priced ones, even though I developed a trust with Tascam. But now I'm considering just going with a DR-40X for home/rehearsal and using this to get into more serious stuff that needs post production so I can learn more about sound adjustments. I DO know when I get a chance, I'm going with the big dawg Tascam Portacaptures....
I have the Zoom F3, I've had the Zoom h4n for a million years (and still do) and the F3 definitely feels like the proper successor to the Zoom h4n in my opinion. It's like Zoom realized at a certain point that nobody really uses or needs or cares about the built-in mics on the Zoom h4n, so they chopped them off, added 32-bit float, and came out with the F3. My only gripe with the F3 is that I think it should take 4 AA's-the battery life just isn't up to par on two AA's. But, I just connect it to a $20 power bank and that gives me long-lasting record time. Annoying, but not the end of the world. Anyway, can't see myself getting a Zoom h4e.
The preamp of M4 mictrak’s xlr input is said to be the same of f3. It has sync code generator too. This may be a good compromise for a solo film maker.
Thanks for review CJ just got one on a 30 day trial i found using the inbuilt mic volume so low almost unusable even if i normalise in davinci still low and after major boost can hear so much hiss is there any work around with this or would a tascam x8 be a better choice so imagine when i get 24 45 min files
I wonder if the H1Essential would be good for run & gun type videos, i have the h4N Pro and it sucks (for my type of videos at least lol) ! What do you think Curtis?
@@curtisjudd The sound is alright, my problem is the handling noise. I have the H4n attached to my rig using a Rycote Portable Recorder Suspension, and even using rubber grips that thing picks up any and all handling noise made anywhere, even if i'm just ninja walking and not moving my hands there's tons of rumble and clicks. Even with 200hz Lcut filter. The sound is unusable without tons of cutting and copy/pasting. When i first started making vids last year this didn't happen though. Idk, maybe it's busted :( I was wondering if this is an issue with the H1, my other rec is the F6 and i can't walk around with it :/
@@curtisjudd Ah dang, I see! I'll have to look into that, thanks a lot for your help Curtis, I really appreciate it! If you have any recommendations please let me know! :)
On the plus side, because the Essential series just came out, I was able to score an open box H1n for $40. A friend of mine needed something extremely simple to record lectures, and it fit the bill perfectly. I took one look at the H1essential and I thought "That looks like it's going to suck" 🤣
Zoom was hit by an entshittification of their lineup. 12 years ago, the H4n was a champion of the indie filmmakers, but the landscape has changed since then….
I was going to point out that like the H4n and Pro, the H4essential is intended for musicians on a budget. As attractive as the F3 is in terms of self-noise, it doesn't multi-track, doesn't have 1/4" instrument inputs, built-in effects or multi-track features. But it turns out that they removed most of the musician-friendly features from the H4 & H6 essential as well. IMO, not putting a stereo mic pair on the R4 was a huge mistake... unless Zoom has simply lost interest in offering musicians an inexpensive hand-held recorder for basic, entry-level musical sound capture.
@@curtisjudd ohhhhhh got ya thank you so much they also have the r4 which is also called 4 track recorder 32 bit flow but that one has control sliders built in
@@curtisjudd I want it to record two 3.5 original rode wireless mics and two xlr for a podcast setting, and if I stick to it maybe upgrade in the future. If you have time I can pick up the zoom r4 for about 150usd or the essential for 200usd which one do you think is the better buy?
I ended up getting the H4E on sale for $150. I Film weddings and all I have is h1N and a Tascam DR-05. This is an upgrade for me at least. I’m pretty green as far as audio goes.
I need help. I reached out to Zoom but they are not responding. I have a Lav mic I was planning on using with my H4E but it will not fit the line in port. It fit the line in of my H1 without issue. What am I missing?
When I plug into 1/4" TRS at the bottom from my mixer, the audio that's recorded is terribly clipped and super small waveform and quiet. It works fine when going to the 3.5mm line-in on the side, but then I can't use the onboard mic at the same time. Not sure what the issue is or how to fix it. I bought this because it says it supports line-level input via 1/4" TRS Anyone have any suggestions?
Do you know if the H1 Essential suffers from similar issues? Obviously there isn't the option to use an XLR mic, but there is a 3.5mm input so I am assuming an external mic will still suffer from a problematic noise floor. I have one on order to use as a spare/back up recorder. Have I wasted my money?
@@curtisjudd I'm using Diety SMic2 into Zoom F6 as my main audio for corporate interviews (it works extremely well and more than good enough for my needs) but I always drop a spare mic in for back up. In this case its a Deity VMic3Pro into the H1e via the 3.5mm jack. I'm hoping it will provide a cost effective level of support should the main mic go down.
Hi Curtis. Just to follow up, I managed to do quite a bit of testing with the H1e. As hoped, using a Deity D3Pro into the external mic input was a significant improvement over using the built in mics, it’s actually quite good and useable for what I need, but the built in mics are awful. Another downside, the Line Out is terrible. I’m not sure if it’s just my copy, but the noise is simply unbearable and totally unusable as an input into a camera. Thankfully that’s not really why I got it. It was really just as a spare recorder I can place close to the subject to backup my main recorder. In my use case, it works fine when using an external mic, but I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone considering it as a main recording system. Save up and get the F3.
My zoom H4 Essential keeps picking crackling/flickering noise in some part of the record which renders part of that audio useless. I first experienced it when I tapped sound from a DJ mixer and thought the crackling/flickering noise was from the mixer. But I did a shoot where I used the zoom recorder as boom mic and I lost some part of that audio because of the crackling/flickering noise. I have used the "declicker" option in Adobe Audition to try and restore the file but it's not working. Does any one have an idea, please? The sample rate on the recorder is set to 48khz.
I want one that meets my specs: using small connectors - e.g Lemo, 32bit and backpack friendly. Are there any companies out there that make field recorders that are small and good?
Important note: Only the XLR/combo inputs have dual analogue to digital converters so they're the only inputs that support wider dynamic range capture.
I suppose the limited max SPL rating on the built-in condensers make this a moot point- they will most likely clip before the converters anyway. But if they're limited to 24-bit, doesn't that make a manual gain/attenuator control even more important when using them?
And since we're talking about limitations anyway, an analog HPF for the condensers located BEFORE the converters would still be helpful.
LOL, that’s exactly the question I had, thank you!🙏
@@steverolfecayes. This is NOT a premium recorder for those with discriminating requirements.
@@curtisjudd Thank you for doing these videos. As someone who's been in the tv business for 17 years now, audio was never my strongest. I understood it and knew alot, but your videos have refined and added clarity to any confusion. So thank you.
I was hoping you can just give me some advice on something I don't think you've ever mentioned in any of your videos. When doing interviews we'll throw the mkh50 on the boom and the cos 11 on a sony mic into a mixpre6 II. Ive been considering changing the boom over to wireless using Sony's plug on tx in order to cut down on wires and to make setup easier. What would be your advice on doing this? RF interference aside, my main concern is does this basically make the mixer's preamps null and void? And therefore would just going into camera yield the similar results? We shoot with 2 FX6s. Any insight or direction to trim down our setup would be helpful. Thanks!
Hi Curtis !
Totally agree with you !
I’m a blind field recordist, who own the H6essential, as it’s the most advanced multi channel portable recorder packing a voice guidance system available on the market. From this point of view, it is a pleasant and easy to use device, and I have to say that the 32bits float is a very handy feature for people who can’t check the levels on a screen.
My only complain might be about the preamps, which are not the best ever, compared to those of my Centrance MixerFace R4R for example.
But honestly, if you pair the H6essential with some hot output microphones like the Rycote OM-08 and CA-08, the results are really decent in most of the cases.
In addition, the built-in mics of the H6E are decent, which doesn’t seem to be the case with the H4E.
Of course, I would have wished that the ZOOM F3,F6, or even M4 and SD MixPre’s may pack a similar accessibility feature, but for lack of anything better, the H6essential is a good starting point for visually impaired field recordists, in my opinion.
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I know everytime there's a release or something that stand out on the audiovisual scene, I HAVE TO COME BACK TO THIS CHANNEL! Big up for the content and quality!!! Best regards from Tierra del Fuego, Argentina.
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Thank you for this review. I just purchased the H6 essential and I would be very thankful to see a comprehensive review such as this from you.
Thank you for this Curtis. I’m also a long time user of the H4 range and this time, stepped down to the H1e which I found underwhelming as well. I decided to wait with regards to the H4E because of my experience with preamp noise hasn’t been great with the h4’s and I suspected the same from the H4E as you have found. I guess the H1e is the same in that it is aimed at people starting out in audio. I started with noisy preamps, so I guess it was good ‘training’ to learn tricks to minimise and I think I was hoping for a little bit more from the H4E this time around. Many thanks for going to the trouble of testing it.
Glad to hear it isn’t just me, Ian.
Glad to see an unsponsered video Curtis! It's something more RUclipsrs should aspire to.
I sponsored this one so it isn’t technically unsponsored. 😉
Someone's gotta pay, videos don't make themselves.
No, RUclipsrs should NOT “aspire” to do unsponsored content. Viewers should aspire to not be so entitled 🙄.
@@JoeCastellon From my perspective, they need to manage their bias in the way that they're comfortable with and be very clear with the audience about any potential bias risks.
As usual a video I enjoyed to watch. And I totally agree with the 'outgrowing' statement. My first recorder was a H4n and not long after that I got me a Zoom F4. Yes, it was quite more money to spend, but I still use it. Other than the H4n it always felt like a swiss army knife of sound recording to me.
I am still only a hobbyist on his way to become an amateur, but having a recorder that suits you can be, as they say, priceless.
If I may add, I personally prefer the summary at the beginnings. But then again, it's your party and I'm only a guest here.
However, please keep up the great work, I will kepp watching wherever the summaries are to be found.
Thanks! We moved the summary to the end because the recent RUclips algorithm seemed to be punishing our videos ruthlessly with the summary at the start. But, we still index the video so you can jump right there if you need it.
I just spent like 2 hours watching your older videos and just as I closed the last one I saw this
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I'm happy I caught this review. My Tascam DR-40 was recently stolen and for the first time in 10 years I've had to think about buying a new audio recorder. I was really considering the Zoom F3 because all I need is two channels to record my podcast, with no extra bells and whistles, but wondered whether the dynamic range and professional grade was overkill for recording two people talking. However seeing this review and others about the essential series reminded me about the quality of the pre-amps in the Zoom "prosumer" grade equipment - so this has helped make the right decision. Thanks!
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As someone with both a portacapture x8 and a zoom h6 essential, they're definitely meant for different groups, and honestly I like both for what they do.
I find the portacapture is going to give you much cleaner audio and much more control over the output, while the h6 essential is basically designed for "turn it on, maybe change two settings, record." I personally am no recording expert by any stretch of the imagination, but my test recordings so far have been fine, though my use case is wildly different from yours.
Mine is currently being used as a portable recorder for myself and a couple pieces of electronic music gear while I'm out and about. The capsule mic is pointed at me, while my gear is hooked in via TRS connectors set up in stereo. Super simple, and I can just turn it on, record and have fun. I can almost do the same with the portacapture, but I find I regularly have to fiddle with settings and stuff before recording for a few minutes. I'll have to see if I can do a side by side of the same audio sources at the same time onto both recorders to see what the differences is in the final product.
Just grabbed the H6 E to replace my H8, still haven’t messed around with it just yet but I love recording live bands and plugging it in to the sound board. It’s nice not having to worry about sound while I’m filming
Thanks for the video. Good unit for people starting off. Your video has made me realise something! I now see the value on my F8nPro/F6 of having the option to adjust/set the record levels for each track input. That way, you can potentially minimize the noise floor of the mics! Yes? It hadn't occurred to me before and I'd wondered about those seemingly redundant level functions in a 32bit machine. Brilliant! Thanks.🙂
There is a rudimentary mixer on the H4e but it is post fader so you’re not getting noise floor benefits. Technically, same with the F6 and F8n Pro when in 32-bit float mode. HOWEVER, the preamps are MUCH cleaner on the F3 - F8n Pro so you don’t have to contend with self noise in most cases.
OK. Thanks! @@curtisjudd
Just one more thing, as Columbo would say. When the F8nPro front faders are set to trim on the main GUI panel (the Trim Fader Pan selectables) it does appear that you can adjust the recorded input levels. This is quite apart from the mix fader function. So perhaps this can indeed help with mic noise??? Sorry to harp on about this. I have a genuine but weird blind spot about this aspect of the recorder. My IQ feels like it drops to single digits! 😅Thanks.@@curtisjudd
@@HeathcliffBlair On the F8n Pro, the trim setting is digital trim and not analogue pre-amp trim. So you are, in fact, boosting the already converted-to-digital audio signal in the digital realm. This means the noise floor IS being raised, but the preamplifier is very clean so this is rarely a practical issue. More details here: ruclips.net/video/8MfCY6d3ujk/видео.htmlfeature=shared&t=137
@HeathcliffBlair I just watched a Columbo episode yesterday. Lol
I'm a long time ZOOM user with 5 different ZOOM recorders. I bought a TASCAM X8 a year ago because I got tired of waiting for a new H6 model from ZOOM. The X8 is everything the new ZOOM models should be. I'm really disappointed that they didn't improve the pre-amps and noise on the new models. I also think they missed something by not offering 24-bit or having volume controls, like the X8 does. I don't find that 32-bit is needed, or works best, for everything. My 8 year old 24-bit H6 still makes great recordings. I just wonder what ZOOM was thinking here?
Good questions. I didn’t specifically cover this, but the H4e does have a rudimentary mixer interface.
I had been thinking of the new Zoom recorders. I really appreciate your detailed reviews and your input.
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You can avoid post production with this recorder. You can set a post or premix inside the recorder. You can even have it normalize automatically within the recorder and save as a separate file on the memory card in 32, 24, or 16 bit. So when you put the memory card in your computer, you already have a normalized file ready to go.
Thanks.
Explain normalize please? I'm just getting started with using external recorders.
On a recorder like this, that only records in 32 bit float, you are unable to adjust your levels in real time. So if your recording is too low or too high (peaking or distorting) those levels can be “normalized“ in post. I have my normalization set to -1 dB lower than peaking to ensure my volume will be at a good level without worrying about distortion in the loud parts. So if the recorder recorded at a low level, it can be brought up or if it recorded too high, it could be brought down. Think of 32 bit float as a raw audio file. It has a lot of dynamic range. And think of normalization as “auto“ to get your recording to a level of where it should be. You can still “normalize” a 24 bit or 16 bit file. But you want make sure your levels are set correctly when recording with those two. As 16 bit and 24 bit doesn’t have the dynamic range that 32 bit float offers. And if your recording is peaking and or distorting that cannot be saved. Hope this helps.
@ShaunBaker21 there is one thing I don't get. A lot of experts claimed that a 32bit audio file could be normalized without introducing or increasing the noise (in particular self noise). Based on what Curtis said here, it seems this is not true as he said by normalizing it, he also lifted the noise/hiss. Could someone give me a clear answer about this? Is it true or not?
@ShaunBaker21 can you help me please? I m a wedding videographer. For the party i need to record live loud music from the dj soundboard. On the recorder is written trs line and xlr mic. So I should record sound with trs cable on the recorder and rca on the soundboard. Is h4 essential good for this or shoul I buy zoom f3?
I watched this review and didn't think much of it then I watched another by a prominent wedding videographer reviewing the same unit, I trust this reviewer. He had a lot of positive things to say about this Zoom. I still use my OG H4n a lot in my work as a wedding videographer and I'd love to buy this (if my H4n every dies), I'd be reluctant to use the H4e (or my H4n) for any proper production use but for wedding work it seems perfect. Also it's almost 1/3 the cost of a portacapture and only 2/3 the cost of the F3. It's interesting the different perspectives.
I agree that it can be a useful tool if it fits what you need, and in your case, it sounds like it does! 👍
I own a Zoom H6 and have been holding out on going forward on the Essential line once I heard about problems related to handling noise. This bothers me, considering how it is after all, a field recorder, right? Are you planning on providing a review of the H6 Essential? Are the preamps you were critical of with the H4 the same in the H6? Is 32 bit float really a deal breaker for H6 owners to upgrade at this point? Would love your thoughts. You are such a fair reviewer, my friend and fully appreciate your time and efforts.
Reminds me of my Tascam dr40. Not a great recorder but built very well and super reliable. I am surprised they did not give a method to adjust the levels, which seems like a huge oversight given most beginners will want to learn about sound balancing and monitoring recording using headphones. Perhaps they wanted to establish a new 32 bit float, as a way to eliminate the need to adjust, but with a multi input setup, it will be a pain to balance. Great review format.
It has a rudimentary mixer with faders so you can balance between mics. But there is no control of gain/input amplification which is a separate thing.
@@curtisjudd thanks. I suppose if the mics are of similar output that may work, or an external gain block, but that adds cost and complexity that sort of defeats the target market. It does seem like a strange choice of features, but it might be good as a field recorder, and not for studio use.
Thanks for your insightful videos Curtis. Normally I work with a MixPre-6 II, but often the situation calls for a device as small as the Zoom F3. Unfortunately the F3 cannot easily be jam-synced to my Tentacle TC workflow. Do you know of a stereo recorder as small as the F3 which is fully TC capable?
Thank you for all of these reviews, they are very helpful. What would be your recommendation for the best handheld recorder that has both XLR inputs and an built-in microphone? It seems that when the microphone is built-in the pre-amps for the XLRs tend to suffer. Is there a recorder that compromises the least when it comes to this? Thank you!
I don’t use recorders with built-in mics too much, but this or the Tascam Portacapture series are ok.
The H4n was such an easy tool to work with. In stamina mode, its battery lasts for ever.
In my company (public radio broadcaster), there are many authors, that want a recorder, where they don’t need to setup much. So the H4n and its successors are still great for them.
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@curtisjudd thank you for your tremendous and helpful work, I'm a long time follower and i appreciate your work!
Curious to know your opinion on this : I'm looking to get a budget friendly field recorder. I do small solo gigs and need clean audio.
The F3 is a bit too expensive for my taste right now. I'm a apprehensive of the H4e mainly because of what you mentionned : poor preamps and 32-bit workflow (I'd prefer adjusting on the field, not in post).
Do you think an older, used H4n Pro is still a viable alternative? Is the audio quality (preamps, noise floor) better than the H4e's? How does it compare to the F3?
Thank you in advance!
Sure, but none of the ZOOM H series preamps are particularly impressive when it comes to self noise. But may be good enough depending on what you plan to do.
Hi Curtis. You really reign supreme when it comes to reviewing (and giving context to) audio gear. Many thanks.
I have a question, if I may. I need a handheld recorder with built in mics. I only need it for recording with the included mics, as if I was going to set up external mics I would use my F6. I want 32bit float so I can reduce setup time. It will only be used for rehearsal recordings, so not anything "finished". Something good enough to send to the musicians to give them a feel for the overall, and even to practice to between rehearsals. I had a Zoom H1E, but was disappointed by the very high noise from those tiny mics. I am thinking of either the H4E or the Tascam X6. The Tascam is almost twice the price of the zoom, here in the UK. Any thoughts and recommendations would be very much appreciated.
Hi John, I haven’t used the H1e but I’d be surprised if the H4e’s recordings are any cleaner.
I went for the M3 Mictrak and totally happy with it.
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Hey Curtis, thanks for the heads up. I’ve been thinking about getting a recorder so I can still make content when I’m away from home and this was on the maybe list. Is there a chance of making a video about DAW controllers/surfaces? Their limitations, which one is best with which DAW etc? There’s a surprising lack of information out there. Thank you and all the best, Jason.
As of now, I only have the ridiculously priced Fairlight desktop surface. I’ll probably start there.
@@curtisjudd Do they actually help speed things up and just as importantly, are they more enjoyable to use (being more tactile than pointing a mouse and hitting keys)? I’ll go and check out your one. I’d better have tissues ready for the eye watering price.
@@StarWarsJay The short answer to does it speed things up: In some situations, yes. You can move multiple faders at the same time with a control surface. When using a mouse on a computer, you can only move one fader at a time. So if you do a lot of multi-channel automation, a control surface can absolutely save a lot of time.
Are they more enjoyable to use? That is purely subjective. Some people say yes, others scoff at the concept. Neither are wrong. Totally a personal preference.
@@curtisjudd Thanks mate. Good advice as always. Personally, I think I’d prefer using one. Since I’ve bought a small mixer and mic preamp, I find it easier and less clinical (for want of a better word) to set everything manually. I can imagine a surface having a similar effect. I better start saving haha.
You can actually set levels if you want by going into the menu (rec source) with pre and post and then press the mixer button you can then use the adjuster on the right side. You can also turn off 32 bit float.
From what I could tell, that was all post digital conversion (so not analogue gain).
Thanks for this info on this device. I just got one of these and I think it will do for what I want which was something portable that I could take with me to places to record sounds for use with my sampler to make beats etc. I'm a beginner both at audio recording and with the sampler and I think this will be ok but if I'm honest I really wanted the Tascam X4 but it was almost double the cost for something I probably won't use enough to justify the extra money at my level.
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Thank for review. If connect audio device with 3,5 mm jack to line in what channel it replace? Can i record from line in and xrl (without built-in mics) same time?
Yes. It records to a separate file if I remember correctly.
And Zoom just lost a ton of sales for making a poor product that doesn't do the one thing it was made to do: record quality audio. Thank you for your honest reviews. I'm hoping that Zoom could have some sort of firmware update to help fix the fixable problems you mention. Most of the reviews I've seen before this was published were all saying similar things, but you're the Internet's expert of audio recording.
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this is all i needed to hear. F6 all the way!
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Would you recommend this for recording live concerts? I would be using either external mics through the XLR inputs, or from a soundboard with the XLR or Line In inputs, so not the internal mics.
It could work, but...I don't love it for that. The XLR mic inputs can take a max input level of +4dBu so if you're looking to record very loud concerts, I'd look elsewhere.
Hello Curtis I am new to audio recorders. Why do you recommend the Zoom F3 and would it be good for beginners learning how to use them ? I record all talking head videos and just got the Rode PodMic. Thank you for sharing your inputs.
The F3 would be a good starting point, yes.
@curtisjudd Another great review vid. Question: I have the Zoom F3 but never really wondered about its pre-amp score with dynamic mics like the Shure SM58. How does the F3 compare with the H4essential?
F3 is superior. Stick with it.
Thanks for the review! I trust your experience very much!
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Is there any difference in sound quality for using only for line in recording from mixer, loud input from wedding bends, 32bit float, is it the same at the end as F3 or X8? Tnx!
Probably
I just got my 10 year old H6 replaced under warranty because of the sticky plastic issue, and was hoping for a cross grade, but glad they sent a H6 black so I can still use all of my accessories, plus I have F3 for the more serious stuff. The Fetheads have always been a part of my workflow, so should be good for another 10 easily.
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Hi it’s great to get your advice and tips on sound recording. I was wondering why didn’t you talk about Zoom H8. Is that a good one to compare with these what you were mentioning?
Yes, it is ok, but does not record wide dynamic range, 32-bit float: ruclips.net/video/sHPIO7MYvho/видео.htmlfeature=shared
Thanks. I was looking at the H6E for it's no clipping and Bluetooth smartphone controls and 1 terra bite capabilities. I presently have a H4n Pro that i record live music sessions straight off the PA outputs through an attenuator cable into the mic jack though I've gotten pretty good at setting the mic imput levels
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I'm surprised, because I remember a lot of people claiming that with 32bit float audio, you don't introduce additional noise by lifting/normalizing the audio in post.
So that is not the case?
Another question I would like to ask, is the Portacapture x6 noticeable better than the Zoom H4essential in terms of self noise?
P.S. as you can understand based on my questions, I'm a beginner in terms of audio.
That is not the case. But it is less noisy than if you left the gain way too low on a 24 bit recorder and then boosted massively in post.
@curtisjudd thank you!
Hi Curtis, If you had to choose between the Zoom H4e and the Zoom H6 (All Black), which would you choose and why?
I don't need more than 2 XLR inputs and I have an AT875R
I’d choose an F3 instead. Far superior preamps.
Got the h6e myself, and I'm liking it, though I never use the actual microphones on the recorder, I use my own external microphones when recording. As a visually impaired sound designer, this was quite the upgrade from the h5 given it has accessibility. Over all i'm happy with it. Now, if zoom added accessibility to their other recorders, f8 etc? I' might or might not upgrade, zoom h6e outwith external mikes serves my needs well, and I do a bunch of field recording. Also never had problems with the preamps myself neither with the h5 or h6e being noisy... Then again I don't use this recording for podcasts etc but for sound design and field recording... I guess some people have their expectations set way too high, the mikes you use also has to do with the amount of noise you might get from the preamps, after all, its not just a preamps thing. Although I do wish they had kept the volume knobs like in the h5, h6 origional lineup to make it easier for volume adjustment, then again when your recording with 32bit float, volume isn't as much of a thing as when using non 32bit float recorders, where you need to be quite precise with the levels or risk clipping... which, without accessibility or beeing able to look at the screen for levels is... not fun.
Glad it’s working well for you! The accessibility is really a good idea.
Great review as always Curtis, thank you!! 🎉 Dissapointing that Zoom are persisting with sub-par pre-amps. Will you be covering the H6 Essential too?
Thanks. Probably won’t be buying an H6e.
@@curtisjuddI don't blame you to be fair, there really isn't much point.
Leaves room for a potential 'Pro' variant of the H series devices in the not too distant future.....
tell me which cable do you use to connect to the DJ console, I mean the tip that you insert into the XLR or TRS recorder itself? For example, there is a REC OUT connector with a RCA connector on the remote control, i.e. a RCA in the remote control, and an XLR or TRS recorder ?
It depends on the DJ’s mixing board, but ideally it is a 1/4” or XLR balanced output.
I think the name of the device - or the series of devices - is relevant. The "essentials" title may not mean "it's essential, you have to buy it" but it's more "it's just the essentials" - kind of basic - and indeed your short review identifies this as a device for someone needing a startup recorder, rather than an upgrade from something else.
Indeed.
The first thing I recorded audio onto for a 45 minute short film was a 1992 Panasonic Super VHS Reporter camera, using a shotgun mic and XLR cable. Then I moved to the H4n. Later I went to the H4n Pro, with slightly better preamps....good enough to be used on the H5 and H6 as well. I used it to record sound on a promo short for funding on a feature film. The editor made the audio sound great. Now I've got a Zoom F4 and better shotgun and SDC mics and I've got to play around with them to get proficient with the new recorder. Some day I'm hoping to have a Sound Devices unit, but I don't know if I will get that deep into recording audio or more into lighting and DP work.
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Would you recommend h5 over h4e for Indy filmmaking?
@@KenDavis-uo8kq - I would highly recommend following Curtis' advice in his video here.
That being said....what is best for you is based on where you are in your pursuits in filmmaking and what your budget is like. If you are beyond a beginner but not yet making a feature film or film for major distribution, either should do fine for you. I used the H4n and then H4n Pro for about a decade and had very acceptable results with them. The H4e will produce the same results, sound-wise, but also has the benefit of 32-bit float, if that is attractive to you.
If the F3 that Curtis mentions would work for you (no need for built in mics, maybe only booming) then especially if it is still around $250-ish that would be a good way to go. It has better pre-amps than the H series. I use an F4 now, which looks just like the F8 only with 4 XLR inputs instead of 8 because I don't need that many. I also work with a sound guy who does have the F8 and he gets pretty awesome sound quality. The F8 sold for about $1,000 when it was current. With the F3 you would be getting the same pre-amps and only paying $250, just to give you some context.
Lastly, it will come down to the features of the device. Compare how each one executes what it does and if that makes the most sense for you or match your needs. Its always weighing the balance of budget to quality and the best bang for your buck at the place you are at in your pursuits. And also there is always used equipment to save money on. Most of my audio equipment was bought used. I likely saved about 50% in total for all my equipment. I got a $600 shotgun mic for $280. I got a $300 blimp for $80. I got a $600 sound recorder for $300. EVERYONE uses "used" equipment.....or else they would be buying something NEW for every project. ;) Ebay and reverb. com are our friends.
I can agree with the quiet audio being insanely quiet compared to the louder audio. One thing I am not to happy about with this recorder is the absent of auto record. I am a train enthusiast and I use a scanner to get info about what’s going on out on the rails. It would be vital to have auto record so I could record the scanner while saving tons of space. Though it’s not a feature so I gotta just deal with the larger files.
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Dear Curtis. Thank you for the video, very much appreciated. In the H4 Manual it says: "On the H4essential, only the INPUT 1 and INPUT 2 jacks have dual A/D converter circuits." Do you have a clue what that means? (I thought the dual A/D converters are necesssary to record 32 bit float... Aren't they?
This means that only the XLR combination inputs have dual converters per input. The other inputs can still record to a 32-bit float file, but they don't get the benefit of wider dynamic range.
Hey Curtis, thank you for this video! I only own an old Tascam Dr40, I was thinking to upgrade with this one to use it with my Rode NGT4+, do you think it's worth it?
Can’t speak for your use cases but I’d put my money into a ZOOM F3 instead of this.
@@curtisjudd I would use it mainly for documentary filmmaking. Thank you for your advise!
FANTASTIC! Thank you so much!
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KNX News Radio on Los Angeles uses the H4n. I do not recall the mic. but think it is one of the Shure mics on a boom or stand. Anyway, I purchased the H6Essential and sent it back. I did not like the plasticky construction for field use. I think the metal like construction in other products is better for field use like in news environment's etc.
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4 minutes in and I've heard enough. Thanks.
Ok, bye
@@curtisjudd LOL! That's not a slight against you, but I heard enough negative to stop watching. I'm not in the market for a device like that anyway.
@@thethirdrailchannelall good 😊
Is the H4E a good recorder for recording ambience/foley with the XY mics? Is the noise floor bad to where it'll be noticeable in something like recording birds in a forest?
It depends on your expectations. Hardcore nature recordists probably won't find the H4e acceptable. But a lot of other people will.
I got an h4n pro in 2022, so I wasn’t really planning on upgrading anytime soon, but this is good to know.
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Thanks for the review, I was waiting for your opinion.
I'm planning on recording cooking sounds and voice overs (and sometimes outside), would the F3 work with Røde VideoMic NTG via the Røde adapter? It's the one I currently have.
Yes.
My local pro video shop has the F3 for about half price so I grabbed one of those and even with the cost of a set of Clippies it's still not much more expensive than this.. thing.. and I think will give noticeably better results
Agreed! Nice find!
Comparing this recorder to the F8 N pro I also own, is apples and oranges, but it’s the only zoom I had left. Being blind, I was really looking forward to this, because of the voice guidance. Disappointed to find out it’s lacking so many features from the previous H series, you can’t even pan tracks. What’s up with that? I bought all three recorders to test them, and to my ears, the H6 had the cleanest internal mikes. Hopefully zoom is listening, and will add this voice guidance to their next version of the F8.
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Still completely satisfied with my Zoom H6. For any field wotk it gets the job done. If anything more is needed I use my Audient recording gear 👌
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thanks for this review. I was thinking about getting the H4e for my clippy mics set-up but more and more people are not to impressed with the Zoom H4ess.
Yeah. Fine for a first recorder, but I’d spend a bit more for the F3.
Thanks for your very interesting review, as always!
Is it possible to record simultaneously 4 tracks 2 XLR + 2 Plug In Power 3,5mm plug?
Yes
I just bought one of these to throw onto a pair of shotgun mics above downstage for live productions that can be very loud and very soft. I’ll just have to plug into the xlrs and hit record 🤞 also, quick note, your jacket made a lot of noise
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Is there a BIG step up from the Zoom H4 stuff and the Tascam you recommended if you want good preamps, low noise and built-in mics?
A medium step up.
@@curtisjudd Is there a "big step up" option with built-in mics?
@@NonalignedVideos Not that I'm familiar with.
Hi! Quick question, is this the 5th generation of the Rode NT1? If not, which exact version is it? I would love to buy one. It sounds phenomenal. Also, other than a hi pass filter and gain raise, did you EQ or use any effects on it in post processing? Thanks!
It is the NT1 Signature Series: ruclips.net/video/ouzUN-nm5Xs/видео.htmlfeature=shared
I just got this one as a replacement for my over 10yr old Tascam DR-05, and although I haven't done much recording with it yet, I do feel some regret. In MY opinion/experience, the DR-05 recorded much better and cleaner. Again, I haven't spent much time with this so it could just be my mind playing tricks on me. I'm a musician (bass) and this Zoom doesn't seem to record it too well. My reason for these is for practices and rehearsals and I definitely want to hear and share them with others as it was recorded, not having to do post production stuff with it. I got this because I wanted to step up to 32-bit float recorders and it seemed to be among the cheaper priced ones, even though I developed a trust with Tascam. But now I'm considering just going with a DR-40X for home/rehearsal and using this to get into more serious stuff that needs post production so I can learn more about sound adjustments. I DO know when I get a chance, I'm going with the big dawg Tascam Portacaptures....
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I have the Zoom F3, I've had the Zoom h4n for a million years (and still do) and the F3 definitely feels like the proper successor to the Zoom h4n in my opinion. It's like Zoom realized at a certain point that nobody really uses or needs or cares about the built-in mics on the Zoom h4n, so they chopped them off, added 32-bit float, and came out with the F3. My only gripe with the F3 is that I think it should take 4 AA's-the battery life just isn't up to par on two AA's. But, I just connect it to a $20 power bank and that gives me long-lasting record time. Annoying, but not the end of the world. Anyway, can't see myself getting a Zoom h4e.
The F3 also has MUCH cleaner preamps.
Hey Curtis, wondering if you could quickly cover the Zoom R4 🙏🏻
Could you please review the Zoom H1 XLR Handy Recorder?
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Hey Curtis!
Quick question: what XLR cables do you recommend? I have used a few different brands but they all eventually fall apart :)
I usually use Mogami or Canare cables.
@@curtisjudd Thank you!
The preamp of M4 mictrak’s xlr input is said to be the same of f3. It has sync code generator too. This may be a good compromise for a solo film maker.
Perhaps so.
What program are you using for post recording.
I use DaVinci Resolve, iZotope RX, and for work, Adobe Audition.
Hello, in which program do you process files received with zoom h4?
DaVinci Resolve.
Thanks for review CJ just got one on a 30 day trial i found using the inbuilt mic volume so low almost unusable even if i normalise in davinci still low and after major boost can hear so much hiss is there any work around with this or would a tascam x8 be a better choice so imagine when i get 24 45 min files
It would be nice if you did a review of the Zoom R4 !
Send it on over! Happy to review 👍
@@curtisjudd Maybe we, your followers, could contribute to allow you to pay for one?
I wonder if the H1Essential would be good for run & gun type videos, i have the h4N Pro and it sucks (for my type of videos at least lol) ! What do you think Curtis?
Depends on why it sucks for your videos. If you’re using the built-in stereo mics, the H1essential will sound about the same.
@@curtisjudd The sound is alright, my problem is the handling noise. I have the H4n attached to my rig using a Rycote Portable Recorder Suspension, and even using rubber grips that thing picks up any and all handling noise made anywhere, even if i'm just ninja walking and not moving my hands there's tons of rumble and clicks. Even with 200hz Lcut filter. The sound is unusable without tons of cutting and copy/pasting. When i first started making vids last year this didn't happen though. Idk, maybe it's busted :( I was wondering if this is an issue with the H1, my other rec is the F6 and i can't walk around with it :/
@@madeiraislander the H1 and H1n also had plenty of handling noise issues too. You’ll need a proper shock mounted mic to get around that.
@@curtisjudd Ah dang, I see! I'll have to look into that, thanks a lot for your help Curtis, I really appreciate it! If you have any recommendations please let me know! :)
On the plus side, because the Essential series just came out, I was able to score an open box H1n for $40. A friend of mine needed something extremely simple to record lectures, and it fit the bill perfectly. I took one look at the H1essential and I thought "That looks like it's going to suck" 🤣
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Thanks for the advice about what to buy instead! F3
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The F3's menu is convoluted to use, as is the Tascam's Portacapture devices.
Somewhat, yes, they all are.
the h4 essentials vs the zoom f3 : which has better preamps and by how much better ? what makes the f3 better ?
Gotta watch the full video, friend.
Short answer: F3 preamps are way better.
What audio recorder do you recommend ?
If you want a step up in audio quality, I’d look at the ZOOM F3: ruclips.net/video/THEBOa0UUJo/видео.htmlfeature=shared
Are your thoughts the same on the Zoom H6 essential? @@curtisjudd
@@notoyriousvisuals Haven't used the H6e, so I'm not sure.
Zoom was hit by an entshittification of their lineup. 12 years ago, the H4n was a champion of the indie filmmakers, but the landscape has changed since then….
Changed, indeed!
I want to take my airshow audio recording to the next level and Have a $1000 budget what should I get?
Need more info please.
I was going to point out that like the H4n and Pro, the H4essential is intended for musicians on a budget. As attractive as the F3 is in terms of self-noise, it doesn't multi-track, doesn't have 1/4" instrument inputs, built-in effects or multi-track features. But it turns out that they removed most of the musician-friendly features from the H4 & H6 essential as well. IMO, not putting a stereo mic pair on the R4 was a huge mistake... unless Zoom has simply lost interest in offering musicians an inexpensive hand-held recorder for basic, entry-level musical sound capture.
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If you want a step up from the Tascam Porta Capture for good portable field recorder?
MixPre or ZOOM F series recorders (but none of them have built-in mics).
Curtis, I wonder how the H4essential's sound quality compares to the H6. I have the H6. Any thoughts?
Depends on the mic. Neither do great with dynamic mics, but I don’t have an H6 on hand to do a head-to-head comparison.
The essential 4 has 3 mic inputs? 2xlr wnd one mic jack?
Correct. They call it 4 because the 3.5mm input is a stereo input.
@@curtisjudd ohhhhhh got ya thank you so much they also have the r4 which is also called 4 track recorder 32 bit flow but that one has control sliders built in
@@nyrubin and is made for musicians who need overdub recording. So it depends on what you’re planning to record.
@@curtisjudd I want it to record two 3.5 original rode wireless mics and two xlr for a podcast setting, and if I stick to it maybe upgrade in the future. If you have time I can pick up the zoom r4 for about 150usd or the essential for 200usd which one do you think is the better buy?
@@nyrubin H4essential would be my choice.
I ended up getting the H4E on sale for $150. I Film weddings and all I have is h1N and a Tascam DR-05. This is an upgrade for me at least. I’m pretty green as far as audio goes.
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I need help. I reached out to Zoom but they are not responding. I have a Lav mic I was planning on using with my H4E but it will not fit the line in port. It fit the line in of my H1 without issue. What am I missing?
Not sure. They both have 3.5mm mic inputs.
When I plug into 1/4" TRS at the bottom from my mixer, the audio that's recorded is terribly clipped and super small waveform and quiet. It works fine when going to the 3.5mm line-in on the side, but then I can't use the onboard mic at the same time. Not sure what the issue is or how to fix it. I bought this because it says it supports line-level input via 1/4" TRS
Anyone have any suggestions?
You switched the input to line level?
Not too surprised the Essential series from Zoom does not have ground breaking performance. I will stick with my Zoom F8n Pro and Zoom F6.
Good call.
Do you know if the H1 Essential suffers from similar issues? Obviously there isn't the option to use an XLR mic, but there is a 3.5mm input so I am assuming an external mic will still suffer from a problematic noise floor. I have one on order to use as a spare/back up recorder. Have I wasted my money?
I haven’t used the H1e, but likely yes. Depends largely on the external mic you use, if I had to guess.
@@curtisjudd I'm using Diety SMic2 into Zoom F6 as my main audio for corporate interviews (it works extremely well and more than good enough for my needs) but I always drop a spare mic in for back up. In this case its a Deity VMic3Pro into the H1e via the 3.5mm jack. I'm hoping it will provide a cost effective level of support should the main mic go down.
@@PaulSaxbyPhotography fingers crossed that it does!
Hi Curtis. Just to follow up, I managed to do quite a bit of testing with the H1e. As hoped, using a Deity D3Pro into the external mic input was a significant improvement over using the built in mics, it’s actually quite good and useable for what I need, but the built in mics are awful. Another downside, the Line Out is terrible. I’m not sure if it’s just my copy, but the noise is simply unbearable and totally unusable as an input into a camera. Thankfully that’s not really why I got it. It was really just as a spare recorder I can place close to the subject to backup my main recorder. In my use case, it works fine when using an external mic, but I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone considering it as a main recording system. Save up and get the F3.
@@PaulSaxbyPhotography Thanks for the follow-up. That sounds about like what I expected.
Hi. Is it good for recording live concert sound?
It's ok, but the built-in mics are only so-so.
@@curtisjuddok noted. Tq sir.
Does the noise floor issue count in for the H6essential as well?
Not sure, don’t have an H6e on hand to test
My zoom H4 Essential keeps picking crackling/flickering noise in some part of the record which renders part of that audio useless.
I first experienced it when I tapped sound from a DJ mixer and thought the crackling/flickering noise was from the mixer.
But I did a shoot where I used the zoom recorder as boom mic and I lost some part of that audio because of the crackling/flickering noise.
I have used the "declicker" option in Adobe Audition to try and restore the file but it's not working.
Does any one have an idea, please?
The sample rate on the recorder is set to 48khz.
I would suggest contacting Zoom support for troubleshooting advice.
@curtisjudd Okay. I will do that right away.
I want one that meets my specs: using small connectors - e.g Lemo, 32bit and backpack friendly. Are there any companies out there that make field recorders that are small and good?
Lectrosonics
I am in love with my H5.Pitty they did not include it in Essential series
Glad it’s working well for you!
Wat program do you use for post production? Is it a free app from zoom for the PC, or android?
DaVinci Resolve. Free for Windows.
Can this be turned up to record louder during a live stream?
What was the daw/audio software you were using?
iZotope RX audio editor.
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does this have a solo for each channel?
Not that I see.
did they HAVE to make it look like a chunky piece of plastic ready to break instantly?
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Thank you Curtis
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