IDW’s TMNT Can’t Stop Being Cringe

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  • Опубликовано: 16 ноя 2024

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  • @jackko21
    @jackko21 Год назад +51

    Idw tmnt has turned into deviantart furry fanfiction

    • @yellowstarproductions6743
      @yellowstarproductions6743 9 месяцев назад +2

      True

    • @_frogdude_
      @_frogdude_ 8 месяцев назад +6

      it really hasnt

    • @klunk4683
      @klunk4683 5 месяцев назад

      @@_frogdude_it literally has, jennika is sophie campbell’s deviant art oc that they put in the comics

  • @BulletTooth504
    @BulletTooth504 Год назад +25

    Another good reason for humans to be afraid of mutants is that Jennika proves that mutation can be contagious. Exposure to blood, mosquitoes, viruses and bacteria; there is lots of potential for widespread mutation. Not all of it will be benign or beneficial. It would be catastrophic.

    • @yellowstarproductions6743
      @yellowstarproductions6743 9 месяцев назад

      Agreed.

    • @gamephreak5
      @gamephreak5 7 месяцев назад +2

      Peter Parker and Mary Jane found that out first hand when they made whoopee in a comic issue.
      Peter's liquids literally gave MJ radioactive turbo cancer, LMAO.

    • @BulletTooth504
      @BulletTooth504 7 месяцев назад

      @@gamephreak5 I think that was an alternate future story. However, I'm pretty sure that Aunt May (in the main canon) needed an emergency blood transfusion from Peter, once, and got non-fatal radiation poisoning.

  • @milestrombley1466
    @milestrombley1466 10 месяцев назад +15

    TMNT are not the X-Men!!!

  • @digidittoboy
    @digidittoboy 8 месяцев назад +3

    'A monkey mutant fiting by the way' what do you mean by that !?!

  • @AlphaProto
    @AlphaProto Год назад +30

    This does seem out of character for Ninja Turtles.
    Seems like Campbell is using TMNT to share personal beliefs, instead of taking the turtles on fun adventures.
    It's turned into a nationally published fan fiction.

    • @collegerebel
      @collegerebel Год назад +12

      Yeah, that's been mainstream comics for the past decade in general.

    • @arandia88
      @arandia88 Год назад +7

      Jennika is Campbell’s self insert there is an old deviant art page that has the same design of jennika created by Campbell

    • @mattkugelman4369
      @mattkugelman4369 Год назад +5

      Well it makes sense, Campbell is a trans writer

  • @zemox2534
    @zemox2534 Год назад +17

    IDW TMNT was really good before Sophie took over as the writer. They should have ended the series after issue 100.

    • @Jogoat242
      @Jogoat242 11 месяцев назад +2

      Yeah, it could've been a great ending. They should've ended at issue 100 and then just publish stand alone stories of the turtles after city at war (something like turtles in space again, etc).

    • @cbfwebs
      @cbfwebs 7 месяцев назад +3

      Exactly. This!! Then after Last Ronin Tom Waltz could return for his The Armageddon Game story but that should have been it. They almost canceled it after Sophie wrote like 10 issues but they let her keep it for 50??? Makes zero sense by IDW giving her free reign on one of their most revered and popular books since the selling of Mirage Studios in 2009 and the new series in 2011. It was the one thing that came from the buyout that wasn't stupidly corny and kiddie. Maybe now with Jason Aaron coming this summer they can make Campbell stay far away from the book and undo all her lame trans and lez characters that TMNT did not need at all and ruined Tom Waltz's and co-creator Kevin Eastman's already established continuity.

  • @lart4357
    @lart4357 Год назад +13

    The IDW origin is strange and super convenient, that was not a good base to start, but it was not the worst idea either. IDW started to create new arcs and new characters, IT WAS INTERESTING and finally we had the best turtles design. But whe Campbell started to introduce her ideas for the storyline, we were witnessing the beginning of the fall of the TMNT IDW comics. A lot a new characters without reason or purpose, discarding the already established bases of this continuity and a big throwback to the story and characters. And curiosly Jennika started to get more prominence (she is a character created by Campbell). All that I said before is the main reason for I cannot read the TMNT IDW comics again, It's disappointing. I hope that we can have a new storyline, like a user said: "I prefer '80s adventure comics to something that pretends to be serious and deep."

    • @alfredojacome2027
      @alfredojacome2027 Год назад +5

      Agreed I hate random mutant characters being added just to have diversity

    • @IsekaiApostle
      @IsekaiApostle Год назад +2

      What issues does the “woke ” start? I was about to start collecting the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The IDW Collection Hardcover Volumes 1-13 because people said volume 14 and onward after the Kevin Eastman run was where it went down hill. If it’s scattered throughout the entire series then I might reconsider and just go for the Berserk deluxe editions instead.

    • @lart4357
      @lart4357 Год назад +2

      @@IsekaiApostle when Jennika appears for first time. But specially from issue 101

    • @IsekaiApostle
      @IsekaiApostle Год назад

      @@lart4357 Ok thanks

    • @BusinessOfFear
      @BusinessOfFear 11 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@IsekaiApostlethe first 100 issues are solid. Like Razörfist said once, "Buy it, then stop buying it!"

  • @justicemagnum5242
    @justicemagnum5242 Год назад +23

    Idw tmnt really did fall off after issue #100 huh…

  • @thefacelessjoker
    @thefacelessjoker 10 месяцев назад +7

    Campbell is bad, but Waltz is to blame. Everyone pretends like Jennika was Campbell's idea, and that introducing this spunky female trans-turtle was his plan all along, and that Campbell worked with Waltz to inject that into the story... But the thing that's not being said here is that Waltz didn't leave any notes. He didn't have any plans for her. He shoved in a whole new character on a whim, turtle'd her, dropped her in the TMNT's lap, and walked away to leave this rookie artist/writer to figure it out. The planning is fucking abysmal at IDW.
    The man by and large has defined the worst versions of the turtles. He turn the ninja turtles into pacifists who let their enemies basically get away with their crimes, you know they have become loser heroes. And all the while relying on nostalgia bait to maintain interest with little original elements. His main original ideas were Alopex who is basically an expy of the character Ninjara, Old Hob, and finally those magical god villains. That aside the rest of his run was pure baiting with nostalgia trying to combine the most notable elements of old TMNT media into one series. So once he ran out of material? Not a surprise the entire comic fell apart. You can't rely on "Hey remember this and that!" forever.

    • @Tatoruzu
      @Tatoruzu  9 месяцев назад +2

      Many of the main storylines in the Waltz era were actually good ideas. However, I agree that the execution was flawed, especially with regards to the turtles having a penchant for pacifism. If those same ideas were put in the hands of another team, they could have been executed really well and had the potential to be really great comics. On the basis alone, I won't say that all of the ideas from Waltz were bad.
      Another thing to consider is the influence of Nickelodeon. It very well could be the case that Nickelodeon was against more overt themes of vengeance and retribution. And we know Waltz has it in him to create stories like that; all we need to do is look at The Last Ronin. If we accept the premise that Nickelodeon did have a strict set of guidelines for the main TMNT comics, then I'd say that Waltz operated within those parameters a lot better than Campbell did. Whereas Waltz at least attempted to create compelling storylines within those guidelines, Campbell's mutant town was not compelling whatsoever.
      You're right that Waltz did leave Campbell to pick up the pieces that he left behind, but I'd say that it was probably IDW management and not necessarily Waltz himself that made the decision. If it was Waltz's decision, then I would agree that he deserves some of the blame. However, I don't think the Waltz incarnation of Jennika was necessarily bad. Jennika before Campbell was already a fleshed out character. It's not like Campbell HAD to make her a cringeworthy caricature of a lesbian - that was Campbell's decision alone.
      At the end of the day, Waltz made some questionable decisions, but I don't think it excuses Campbell.

    • @thefacelessjoker
      @thefacelessjoker 9 месяцев назад +2

      I doubt it. If Viacom is oh so serious about the turtles not killing in the comic which premiered one year before the first Nickelodeon cartoon. How come the cartoon that was funded by Viacom later openly allowed the turtles to kill? Not to mention a cartoon will forever be more accessible than a comic. So more kids saw 2012 Leo holding Shredder's hollow skull after killing him than any of the shit that IDW TMNT did. In IDW comics, you never see the Turtles want revenge on Bebop and Rocksteady for what they did to Donnie. Most of time, IDW Turtles have to rely on others to kill or defeat these villains.@@Tatoruzu

    • @dylansharp8471
      @dylansharp8471 7 месяцев назад

      Jennika is trans?

    • @cbfwebs
      @cbfwebs 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@thefacelessjoker What Bebop & Rocksteady did to Donnie was horrible. Shredder ordered them to when Donnie betrayed him, but you're right they shoukd have wanted some vengeance as that is their second to youngest brother for cryin out loud. Maybe it is said they exacted revenge on Shredder but it is also true that that is a centuries long war carried over from Splinter's feud with him.

  • @animationunlimited2958
    @animationunlimited2958 Год назад +15

    Ugh, Ninja Turtles is becoming X-Men.

    • @tyronleung5276
      @tyronleung5276 Год назад +1

      They aren't being brutally killed off like ten lives of wolverine or house of x

    • @DJ-Krimson-Steele
      @DJ-Krimson-Steele Год назад +1

      @@tyronleung5276 Give it time.

    • @rbl205
      @rbl205 11 месяцев назад

      @@tyronleung5276 Didn't they (IDW) kill off Donatello at one point? Or am I thinking of a different series...? 🤔

    • @tyronleung5276
      @tyronleung5276 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@rbl205 Donatello has been killed off in image comics tmnt / non canon mirage tmnt vol 3 / reprinted as idw tmnt urban legends turned into a cyborg and Donatello has been killed off in the 2003 show being nothing but a brain in a episode or implied he'd been killed in same as it never was episode in last ronin the 2012 shows future putting his consciousness into metalhead and he died in the main idw comics and brought back to life by preserving his consciousness into metal head and leatherhead healed his body with mutagen and replaced his broken carapace with a metal prosthetic carapace

    • @rbl205
      @rbl205 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@tyronleung5276 Sheesh! What do all these writers have against Donney? 😅

  • @BeautiesandMonsters-wk2kz
    @BeautiesandMonsters-wk2kz Год назад +5

    Since beggining this felt wrong with all reincarnation stuffs, edgy as fuck, unnecesary making one hundred human characters "turned" into mutant animals (I know they born again as turtles, but yet). I thought that was bad.

  • @alfredojacome2027
    @alfredojacome2027 Год назад +11

    Hopefully all these crappy gay mutant characters get demutated

    • @_frogdude_
      @_frogdude_ 8 месяцев назад +4

      why

    • @dylansharp8471
      @dylansharp8471 7 месяцев назад

      What?

    • @cbfwebs
      @cbfwebs 7 месяцев назад +2

      We will see with Jason Aaron's run starting this summer. He said they have plans for Jennika. So there's that.

    • @klunk4683
      @klunk4683 5 месяцев назад

      The comic isn’t gonna get better the sales will keep dropping until they can’t justify the cost of production

    • @latviandragon2718
      @latviandragon2718 4 месяца назад

      or the series gets canned

  • @ashleywimmers6481
    @ashleywimmers6481 Год назад +9

    I still read it only because I’ve been reading for so many years but I mostly get excited for Saturday morning cartoons now

  • @alang.bandala8863
    @alang.bandala8863 Год назад +6

    Who the hell though it was a good idea macking a racial allegory usang a baboon? It's like using germans to make a nzi allegory.

  • @BWSStudios
    @BWSStudios Год назад +12

    I completely agree that the books are shit atm especially the mutant town stuff but I mean, you don’t have to read it. I stopped reading it. Just ignore it and hit them where it hurts, their pockets. We can always read the old stuff. There’s tons of turtles content, old and new. Stuff for an old generation of fans, stuff for kids who will eventually be in similar predicaments. Just take the good and ignore the bad. Just a thought

    • @zemox2534
      @zemox2534 Год назад +7

      I agree. I do not know why people buy terrible products? Just ignore it and do not give it attention. Speak with your wallet and stop buying IDW tmnt comics.

    • @TurtleChit
      @TurtleChit Год назад +1

      Some of us are completionists and have to buy it which is unfortunate. I'm not gonna have a gap in my collection because some dude wants reassurance.

    • @BWSStudios
      @BWSStudios Год назад +4

      @@TurtleChit I understand the idea of being a completionist. I have a few full collections. But at the end of the day if you really don’t like it and it bothers you that much, either don’t read it, or don’t buy it. That’s your fault if your collection and spending money means that much that you’d read something you don’t like. That’s literally insane.

    • @cubersrus14
      @cubersrus14 9 месяцев назад

      I read it for free anyway

  • @tyronleung5276
    @tyronleung5276 Год назад +12

    The turtles have fought a white supremacist doomsday prepping right wing militia allegory before in the mirage comics issue survivalist #12 named C.R.A.P. or 2003 show H.A.T.E with Sknok their black leader with a a grey stripe in his fro who was changed white peter laird made an allegory toward right wing conservative types. Ross could've easily have done an homage to the purifiers and reverend Curtis Stryker in the mutant town arch giving the turtles a brand new enemy yet a classic one to face like a kraven the hunter from tales of the tmnt issue 6 jack marlin or next mutation bone steel hunting mutants for sport since he she brought back venus they had a whole chance to revamp next mutation characters dragon lord wick gangsta ape vamee dr.quease unfortunately they didn't think the writing out wisely.

  • @RakaiThwei
    @RakaiThwei Год назад +15

    Another thing... I noticed that the IDW writers like to have Jennika take a steaming dump on Raphael. Whether it's Sophie or Tom or anyone else writing this. That's something which needs to be brought up more.
    I mean... WHY does it have to always prop up Jenny but put Raph down? As a Raphael fan, I'm getting tired of the mistreatment of Raphael.

    • @Tatoruzu
      @Tatoruzu  Год назад +4

      Yeah, it does seem like they're constantly humiliating him

    • @RakaiThwei
      @RakaiThwei Год назад +7

      @@Tatoruzu They are. Look at the early Sophie Campbell run with the interactions between Raphael and Jennika. It's always her getting propped up and Raphael being humiliated. Even in Armageddon Game. It's borderline mysandry.

    • @KasumiKenshirou
      @KasumiKenshirou Год назад +2

      Since it's IDW we're discussing, I'm not sure if you mean a literal or figurative "steaming dump", but either way, I am not interested.

    • @RakaiThwei
      @RakaiThwei Год назад +1

      @@KasumiKenshirou Figurative but... whatever, I guess.

    • @cbfwebs
      @cbfwebs 7 месяцев назад +1

      Its Sophie Campbell. Raphael is an alpha male so she has to use her woke trans feminism all over shaming him because aLpHa MaLe ToXiCiTy bs.

  • @seancarroll136
    @seancarroll136 9 месяцев назад +5

    It all makes sense now, there’s a reason why Mutant Mayhem ruined the Ninja Turtles franchise for good. This was the ins, I mean CURSE that use mutants as minority characters and normal people as automatically evil and fascists, while you’re supposed to ROOT for the good guys doing heinous crimes that might eventually make kids into criminals too!

    • @dylansharp8471
      @dylansharp8471 7 месяцев назад

      Mutant Mayhem didn't ruin it.

    • @seancarroll136
      @seancarroll136 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@dylansharp8471Right, I mean, it's SETH's creation of Mutant Mayhem that ruined the franchise for good!

  • @raphaelhamato7546
    @raphaelhamato7546 10 месяцев назад +3

    Campbell projects his own insecurities and socio-political views into all of his content. He’s ruined the current IDW run.

    • @_frogdude_
      @_frogdude_ 8 месяцев назад +5

      you can not like the comic. that's fine. just don't be a piece of shit by misgendering the author. it's not that hard

    • @YourLocalRussianNegro
      @YourLocalRussianNegro 7 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@_frogdude_you don't need to defend Sophie's honor bro.

    • @cbfwebs
      @cbfwebs 7 месяцев назад +1

      She* is horrible as a writer and her trans woke shit is garbage injected into more of our media, remember those bs activists infiltrated the comics world with the agenda to ruin them with bs woke shit and eliminating or putting down the strong male characters making them submit to crappy written females and no more sexy women bodies and pretty faces make them all ugly and fat and gay like they did to our movies and cartoons and video games. Its an attack on men. This is literally a war with fanbases vs. these garbage people.

  • @devonharper8030
    @devonharper8030 Год назад +6

    I’m truly sorry to say this but they’re going to continue down the same path as they did with transformers and G.I. Joe until nickelodeon takes it away from them or they get bought. Because a company can’t thrive on only having one or two series do well, especially when they have to pay for the rights to those titles. The sales for the ongoing series are crap. The only series that does real numbers is the last ronin and any true TMNT fan knows exactly why that is. IDW as a company have proven that they are willing to kill a series for their political views and beliefs.

    • @klunk4683
      @klunk4683 5 месяцев назад

      I got into idws transformers after reading up to issue 100 of tmnt and they managed to fuck that up too 😭

  • @gabrielle_S
    @gabrielle_S Год назад +5

    I have heard that idw is great and j want to read it, but when i see this tmnt zootopia it demotivates me. Would you recommend me to read it???

    • @Tatoruzu
      @Tatoruzu  Год назад +2

      Yeah, it has ups and downs, so it's worth a read for the good parts at least.

    • @cbfwebs
      @cbfwebs 7 месяцев назад +4

      Here's what you read. Issues #1-100 with the tie-in one-shots plus the minis from that time if you want the side stories. The best way to do it is obtain the IDW Collections volumes 1 through 13. Has everything you need in recommended reading order up to issue 100 of the main series. After that read TMNT The Armageddon Game by Tom Waltz, the series' main continuity writer. After that it gets wonky when Sophie Campbell takes over for 50 issues on some wokeness. This summer a new writer Jason Aaron from Marvel fame is coming to relaunch the book but keep the continuity. Should be interesting. Just skip Sophie Campbell's bad run and you'll be fine.

  • @tyronleung5276
    @tyronleung5276 Год назад +6

    Wasnt jennika straight and a love intrest with casey ? What ever happened to april and caseys relationship

    • @trenthoward6800
      @trenthoward6800 Год назад

      A tranny started writing the comic, that's what happened.

    • @madelinemcmillan4020
      @madelinemcmillan4020 10 месяцев назад

      I guess Jennika felt she was better then this and moved on from the annoying unwanted love triangle. felt mutant love interest was more natural.

    • @cbfwebs
      @cbfwebs 7 месяцев назад +1

      No its Sophie Campbell a trans woke feminism activist so she made her gay bs.

  • @TMNTTHECONTINUITY
    @TMNTTHECONTINUITY Год назад +7

    Look I love the idw ninja turtles comics but I agree with you this is very add I mean it's a good story but a very weird one non the less

    • @Tatoruzu
      @Tatoruzu  Год назад +5

      Yeah, it has its ups and downs like anything else

    • @trenthoward6800
      @trenthoward6800 Год назад +3

      @@TatoruzuI've been told the best point to stop reading is issue 100, with Shredder in Hell on the side. Does that sound about right to you guys?

    • @cbfwebs
      @cbfwebs 7 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@trenthoward6800 Yes. But Tom Waltz came back for The Armageddon Game. So read that after Shredder in Hell. Then wait for Jason Aaron to take over writing the book with a relaunch in July 2024.

  • @theexecutorz5413
    @theexecutorz5413 Год назад +4

    This is factual

  • @latviandragon2718
    @latviandragon2718 4 месяца назад +1

    jeez idw really took a noise dive, just like with transformers

  • @captainmartin1219
    @captainmartin1219 Год назад +3

    The idea of mutant town is good Imo. But this writer is not the person to do it. Also, they need to stop with all the random LGBT stuff. Making Jennika gay seemed to really come out of nowhere.

    • @cbfwebs
      @cbfwebs 7 месяцев назад +1

      Its not out of nowhere Jennika is Sophie Campbell's self-insert character. Its a way these trans asshats infiltrate our media with their anti-men agendas.

  • @tyronleung5276
    @tyronleung5276 Год назад +6

    I'm pretty sure the tmnt aren't gay activist

    • @TurtleChit
      @TurtleChit Год назад +2

      Give it time. Ol' Ross will probably have them all in a love circle before long.

    • @lart4357
      @lart4357 Год назад +1

      they make the mutant movement, be pro-mutant XD

    • @_frogdude_
      @_frogdude_ 8 месяцев назад +4

      what are you even talking about

  • @tyronleung5276
    @tyronleung5276 Год назад +22

    I call Sophie Campbell by its birth name Ross Campbell

    • @itsninjatime35
      @itsninjatime35 Год назад +11

      You should be way more respectful to others

    • @tyronleung5276
      @tyronleung5276 Год назад +10

      @@itsninjatime35 just like I call Muhammad ali by his birth name cassius clay

    • @rooish574
      @rooish574 Год назад +7

      Cool, you fail the decent human being test!
      Attack the actions not the person

    • @tyronleung5276
      @tyronleung5276 Год назад +11

      @rooish574 nah I don't conform to stupidity

    • @tyronleung5276
      @tyronleung5276 Год назад

      @rooish574 just cause the hottest thing out right now is to cosplay as the opposite sex doesn't mean I need suspended my own intelligence for the intellectually disabled. You know what I identify as a xeneomorph alien can I face hug you and burst out your chest cavity?

  • @keychainere
    @keychainere 9 месяцев назад +4

    Nah, it’s the best one. Thanks for playing though.

  • @rooish574
    @rooish574 Год назад +11

    TMNT has always preached left wing viewpoints. It is the way the franchise is. It's how hamfisted and badly written and soap opera esque Mutant Town is that's the problem.

    • @ricksanchezdeluniversoc1379
      @ricksanchezdeluniversoc1379 Год назад +6

      You clearly didnt read tmnt comics.

    • @rooish574
      @rooish574 Год назад +3

      @@ricksanchezdeluniversoc1379 I have read literally the entire series

    • @BusinessOfFear
      @BusinessOfFear 11 месяцев назад +2

      Where is it in the Mirage comics?

    • @ricksanchezdeluniversoc1379
      @ricksanchezdeluniversoc1379 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@rooish574 no you dont

    • @cbfwebs
      @cbfwebs 7 месяцев назад +3

      Sophie Campbell is the writer of the 50-issue Mutant Town arc. Sophie Campbell is the problem. She is getting replaced in July.

  • @tyronleung5276
    @tyronleung5276 Год назад +6

    I blame the old RPG games that allows you to make your own sonicfag recolor tmnt animal mutant fursona

    • @jackko21
      @jackko21 Год назад +2

      Same

    • @_frogdude_
      @_frogdude_ 8 месяцев назад +4

      did you smoke something?

    • @tyronleung5276
      @tyronleung5276 8 месяцев назад +2

      @frogdudegaming if you're familiar with the palladium role playing games that mirage licensed out that gave us bebop and rocksteady first appearance the terror bears gave radical her unofficial name hazel McIntyre before she was called rave shadow heart and gave the tcri aliens their official name utroms

  • @zookpro21
    @zookpro21 Год назад +2

    Are they copying Xmen?

  • @flaco3462
    @flaco3462 3 месяца назад +1

    TEENAGE MUTANT CRINGER TURTLES

  • @ZPaul_
    @ZPaul_ Год назад +5

    I’m fine with representation and diversity being in tv shows and movies I just want them to be good and not having it being shoved into my face.

    • @IsekaiApostle
      @IsekaiApostle Год назад +2

      I’m not. 1984

    • @dylansharp8471
      @dylansharp8471 7 месяцев назад

      @@IsekaiApostle
      What?

    • @IsekaiApostle
      @IsekaiApostle 7 месяцев назад

      @@dylansharp8471 Written nearly 80 years ago, the book “1984” was George Orwell’s prophecy about the future. He predicted all this “woke” propaganda and government control that’s going on today down to the last detail.

  • @epicfilms-in8cm
    @epicfilms-in8cm Год назад +3

    I think it's fine

    • @_frogdude_
      @_frogdude_ 8 месяцев назад

      i agree. all the conservatives are getting triggered by a comic book, but the "lefties" are the ones who are snowflakes.

    • @gamephreak5
      @gamephreak5 7 месяцев назад +2

      NONE of this is "fine".

  • @ConvictionAnimations
    @ConvictionAnimations Год назад +3

    Are you serious? I think it's fine

  • @willandbill3896
    @willandbill3896 7 месяцев назад

    Weird because no one had a problem with don and April

    • @gamephreak5
      @gamephreak5 7 месяцев назад +2

      Everyone had an issue with that. Especially Peter Laird!!

    • @willandbill3896
      @willandbill3896 7 месяцев назад

      @@gamephreak5 what about Leo and karai