Well done to the driver of the blue van for helping provide protection to the injured cyclist by parking his van at an angle. At least in that way he protected the cyclist and by angling his van even if someone collided with his van it wouldn’t be pushed into the scene.
I was in similar situation 20yrs ago, and I used my vehicle as a shield. Props to the van driver; regrettably my chap had cut himself in half on a road sign, so all I could do was pray for a kindly judgement on his soul...
I totally agree with your comment, its ok if people are against your view but just ask them one question what if it was their child or relative that got mowed down would they still feel that way uh uh I doubt it✌ PEACE✌
That car was effectively a lethal weapon driving like that. As long as the law continues effectively let drivers get away with this behaviour they will continue to drive in this manner they effectively just got a slap on the hand not going to deter them in the future and soon the driver is back behind the wheel, then it’s back to jumping reds and speeding until the next victim
Not excusing driver, noticed green light when unfortunately cyclist who was postie & ivol Ed with doing his round pulled out in front of Audi sport back.
Light was amber at 0:56, turned red at 1:00 and cyclist entered road at 1:03 by which time the BMW had jumped the red light. Cyclist may not have made adequate observations but the BMW driver was definitely in my opinion guilty of driving without due care and attention and also dangerous driving based on excessive speed for road and weather conditions as well as running the red light. Had the BMW driver complied with the requirements of the Road Traffic Act the collision would not have occurred.
The dashed lines are placed at 9m centres, the BMW driver passes 3 of these in just 0.6s (measured frame by frame). That means his speed was 45m/s, approximately 101mph. In a 40. 2.5X the speed limit. Peoples don't anticipate that kind of speeding. You wouldn't tend to expect someone doing 75mph in a 30 for example.
Its one thing i love about the UK, if someone sees you in need they will always drop everything to help and make sure your ok, saved my skin before and its always good to see
British people are kind and compassionate as we can see the others stop and block the road in order to rescue the cyclist. I was an overseas student in the UK for 4 years during the 80s. I love England.
I think you would notice a difference in peoples attitudes now. Ok, some stop to help, some areas the people are compassionate but, four decades has changed society so much.
@@beaufighter245 I see. The world has changed as well as people too. But most of the British are still kind in comparison with other nations. I'm a hongkonger, born in HK during the British colony. Thanks.
@@jameswood6909 true. I know a few from Hong Kong, they are good. Hardworking and friendly. Always integrate well, make no demands that we change our ways, they just get on. Always welcome as far as I'm concerned👍.
The postman did cross when the lights were green. He probably rides that route 6 times a week. He saw the lights before were red, car stopped, so crossed. Didn’t see the BMW had run the red light.
Too much of this going on, i drive for a living and see it half a dozen if not a dozen times in my work day. Why has red light jumping become a thing, do drivers think they are clever flouting this law? Its not a difficult one, light on red stop, light on green go. It really is that easy.
You didn't mention the amber light preceding the red which people seem to have also forgotten means "stop if you can". They seem to think it means "You have 4secs to get over the line before you're breaking the law although you can ignore the law totally if you know there's not a camera".
Sadly, both the BMW driver and cyclist are to blame in this instance it would appear... Firstly, the BMW ran a red light and was correctly punished for it. However, having committed that crime, he wasn't at fault for hitting the cyclist as he (the cyclist) must also have 'ran a red light' across the pedestrian crossing as the lights, at that point, were on green in favour of the BMW driver. The BMW drivers speed obviously played a part in the whole thing no doubt but the cyclist did cross when he shouldn't have. Hope he made a full recovery however, I'm a cyclist myself as well as a driver of over 50 years and this sort of incident is always just around the corner with the poor attitudes of some (not all) of today's drivers.
Not to mention all the “amber gamblers” who seem to have forgotten that amber means stop unless it is unsafe to do so such as if you can not stop as you have started to cross the last stop line before entering the junction.
@@WeeShoeyDugless Cyclist probably saw the BMW but failed to understand that it was travelling at 2.5X the speed limit or that it would run the red light.
Hi Danny - I totally agree with you, the cyclist is 0% to blame in this case. Those waiting to cross at a pedestrian crossing do not have to wait for a green light to cross if the road is clear, they do not ' jump the red light ' as some others have commented. The time between the red car stopping ( on amber I think ) and the BMW going through the red light is approx 2 seconds. The cyclist, seeing the red car had stopped and the lights at red, would have assumed that the BMW was stopping. I don't believe that the cyclist's view of the BMW was obscured by the red car. Had the BMW been travelling at the speed limit and ran the red light the cyclist may have been able to make the decision not to cross, however the BMW closed him down so fast he had no chance to make that decision! Excessive speed kills. I have been driving for 53 years now and have learnt that as a driver ( and pedestrian ) to never assume that others will ' follow the rules or abide by the law '. The cyclist made the mistake of (reasonably)assuming that the BMW would stop at the red light - lesson learnt .
A well reasoned answer. Unlike 99% of the other shite responses on here...who obviously have an unfathomable hatred for anything that doesn't have 4 wheels and goes brm brm.
@@georgedowns4034 Cyclist probably did look but when a motorist is driving at 2.5X the speed limit (and running red lights) it can be harder to judge speed.
The truck must have been doing the 40 mph speed limit, that BMW must have been around 80 mph, Ran the red light and almost killed someone, he needs jailing and a life time ban. Hope the postman dose make a full recovery,
Observation. BMW driver barely missed the first light but had green on the second light. At 1:18, still a red light for the crossing cyclists but elected to step in front of an approaching vehicle? At 1:20 with cyclist on the surface, the crossing light is Amber. The cyclist did not look to see approaching vehicles nor waited for the pedestrian light turning green, otherwise he would have not stepped into the roadway. When I drive, I often see people in crosswalks doing the same insane move! They wait for pedestrian sign to signal to cross never looking for approaching vehicles that are not stopping. This accident happened in a peculiar intersection. First a vehicle intersection then just barely down the road a pedestrian crossing. I noticed the signal lights did provide time for vehicles crossing on Amber or stale green light to proceed on green on the pedestrian crossing. As estimated, speeding is seldom a wise option specially with wet conditions. Two wrongs created this unfortunate accident.
@@Rhaman68 cool story bro, except Amber means stop in the eyes of the police investigation , so it wasn't slightly changed was it if your honest, and the red light was not red long because he was doing about 80mph in 40mph zone. Stop defending stupid dangerous driving and trying to apportion blame to the cyclist which is abundantly clear isn't needed because they clearly weren't at fault, I think your American, in the UK pedestrians and cyclists get more protection under UK law because of their vulnerability. The cyclist was not at fault here
The pedestrian crossing signal was still showing green to the road users when the cyclist crossed the road. It doesn't excuse the BMW jumping the red light at the first signal, but the cyclist should have waited for the pedestrian signal to give him priority before crossing the road.
Hopefully he will also have to pay a serious amount of future income to pay for the postman’s injuries and his insurance rates determine he has a transit pass for life.
The root cause of this accident was the BMW speeding in the 40 limit; if he was driving to the limit he would have been able to stop in time at the traffic lights.
Raining, BMW speeding and undertaking at traffic lights, cyclist crossing road - new highway code ruling regarding vulnerability of road users. Court obviously put the full blame on the vehicle driver, not just to get a ban and fine, but also unpaid work and a driving test resit. Correct result, CPS would not prosecute otherwise. Hopefully driver will learn from their error. Hopefully cyclist will make a full recovery. Pretty horrific to witness, thank goodness not fatal. Mitigating for the driver, at least they pulled over and stopped.
Yea bro innit. lol. The BMW driver raced through to try and beat the lights but could easily see the lights changing but still went for it. You can see this quite clearly on the video bro, innit.
Saves five seconds! That's crucial in today's busy world. After all, the important Beamer driver (who must be a more worthy human because of his "ultimate driving machine" ride) obviously was on his way to close on a multi-billion deal; the loser postal guy was only doing his lowly, low-paid rounds on his scumbag bike. "Get outta my wayyy!" Might makes right!
saving time and thinking that you're an edgy driver. He looks to me like he's also just a crap erratic driver, he didn't manage to get anywhere near to avoiding the bike. I have seen idiotic drivers who do seem to have some skill to save the day, most of the time.
Classic BMW driver believing some of them can do as they please, after all....it's the ultimate driving machine" . Give 'em wide berth so you don't get rolled in to their recklesness.
Should have had his car crushed too. Banned for 10 years and £10,000 fine. That would make other people sit up and take notice that this sort of driving is not acceptable.
His BMW should have been seized, repaired at the idiot driver's own cost and then sold at auction. The proceeds should then be donated to the innocent cyclist he hit.
@@01matthewc probobly a better idea than crushing it now I think about it. Seeing it pass by as he stands at a rainy bus stop will really piss him off..
As a pedestrian using multiple sets of crossings, I'd say I see this 80% of the time the lights change to red. Red light running when they've just changed to red is actually more common than people stopping. There's just no excuse for it, these people need to stop being c***s.
I keep telling my kids, it doesn't matter if the lights are red, keep looking, because theirs always one(at least one) idiot that may run the lights, whether accidentally or not! Stay safe!
The amber light comes before the red and amber light means STOP. So a driver crossing on amber is commuting an offence. Red comes 2 seconds after amber so there is no leeway.
Driving like that deserved more than a fine and a ban, it was down right dangerous, no hazard perseption, excessive speed, poor road conditions, and though it will increase their insurance, it needed a shock to hit home and also give their friends something to think about, not just a ban and a retest.
Biggest bellends drive the following cars VW Audi BMW All the same I’ve had many arguments including one who was tailgating having ago that I was doing 29 in a 30 yea he got out of the car and wanted to start a fight .Nowadays what ever speed you are doing someone seems to be behind to close they always want to exceed you .Even going on the other side of the road when you turn off a road zero patience is simply that .
Impatience is one of the worst problems on our roads these days I watched one idiot overtake a slow woman a couple of days ago, only to have to sit in a queue of cars at the lights and the woman to catch him up and re overtake him - stupid fool
Would not surprise me If the cyclist saw the red car stop at the lights the blue BMW a long way from the lights assumed it was safe to go not expecting the tool in the BMW breaking all sorts of road laws to run the light and with the speed he was going as it looks like he speed up towards the lights sfater he started to cross at that speed he had no where to go except get hit, needs license removed for life as do all the idiots who drive like this, its a privilege not a right to drive until the courts start to really deal harshly with this sort of thing it will never change
Everyone says how the law is too soft....how do we go about changing it? The courts look at the wider situation and factor things in like needing vehicles for work and to provide for their kids
@@TheVanderfulLife and my reply would be we all take a test we all know the laws , if people wish to break said laws then they need to receive the penalties for doing it , all this hardship rubbish needs to stop they know the consequences for doing wrong it's their fault and no one else's,
They are 2 separate incidents.... He ran a red light.... That's one incident..... 100 yards up the road as he goes through the green light a bike pulls into the road.... That's a separate incident.... That tells me 2 people ran a red light that day and paid the price together
The worst and most dangerous drivers on the roads are young asian guys, like these. They've got no regard for the rules of the road as if they don't apply to them. When you make your car like a weapon you should be jailed, as you would for using an actual weapon.
Whilst the BMW driver was going too fast (what’s new?) and should definitely have stopped at the red light, the cyclist presumably has eyes and ears and should have stopped, looked and listened before crossing. Also, it looks as if the set of lights he crossed at were green for the BMW, so he should not have been crossing anyway. So both are at fault as far as I can see.
NOPE!! BMW was speeding and ignored the red traffic light, so BMW driver is 1000% at fault! he got away with "a slap on the wrist" and should have been punished much harsher... the cyclist did absolutely nothng wrong, had a green light and with an A-road you hear loud motoring noises ALL OF THE TIME! stop with your "victim blaming", Andy! it makes you out as being a total tool and a petty petrolhead. i happen to cycle far more often than i drive a car, i currently don't even own a car so i use the cars of friends and family when i have a real long commute to make (which is no problem in the Netherlands, but seems to be a problem in the UK)... i absolutely hate drivers like the one in this BMW, they endanger everyone on the road!!
@@ingeposch8091 Watch the video closely. The BMW speeds over the first (red) light, but the second (decisive) light is still green at the time of collision. Or in other words: The cyclist's was red. That the accident happened because the BMW was way too fast is only a part of the truth.
Maybe the BMW driver would have got a bigger sentence if the cyclists had not been particularly to blame. He is using the Toucan crossing when the light was against him. Cyclists need to take responsibility for their own safety. 😳🏴🇬🇧🤠
@@DeadCat-42 what are you talking about? All that I am pointing out is the cyclist didn’t wait for the lights to change or look before crossing. Yes the BMW was driving dangerously and should have the book thrown at him when I was a cyclist I looked after my own safety.😳🤠
@@raftonpounder6696 the light for the cyclist was of no issue as proven at court, the car received the full blame not the cyclist in any way. Your recent and only comments show your a profound anti cyclist so this will be your last comment on my channel because I don't allow this crap to be posted, and as i often say to absolute whoppers, get a grip you silly man
@@raftonpounder6696 On a 40mph road the BMW was doing a minimum of 61 mph and probably closer to 70. (120 yrds / 4 seconds). Had he been driving at the correct speed he would have arrived at the pedestrian crossing 2 seconds later and the cyclist would gone on his merry way. He also had at least 5 seconds to react to the changing traffic lights. I am not saying the cyclist is completely innocent. They should have read the road conditions better. In terms of fault it lies 99.9999999% with the BMW and had it been 3 months later it would lie 100% with the BMW. Add to that, there looks to be an automatic filter for the pedestrian crossing (I have no local knowledge of the A580). The cyclist could easily made the assumption that it was safe to cross.
@@raftonpounder6696 completely irrelevant... He struck the cyclist because of going through at red. If he had stopped where he was meant to the incident would never have happened. As proven in court.
Posties no longer use bikes. The bike was a privately owned cargo bike, a Surly Big Dummy. It’s a big heavy solid thing that would probably have saved the rider from more serious injury, and rendered the bmw unable to make off. Disclosure;I know the cyclist slightly.
We made a guess at the postal worker due to the bike frame. Another person commented saying its not a postal bike but there's alot of comments andnits hardto make out what is correct or.not, if you know.of the gentleman , we hope he is recovering well and is getting better.
To those who say it’s the cyclist’s fault, they may have made a mistake by way of an error of judgement caused by the seriously excessive speed of the beamer driver. The beamer driver made deliberate choices to speed & fail to stop at a red!
As far as I can see, he jumped the first red light but had the lights with him where the accident took place. You can try to make out it was his fault but that wasn't his fault. If you go through an orange light you haven't broken the law.
The BMW driver clearly jumped the first Red light and was probably well over the speed limit. Having said that the cyclist also crossed ignoring the little Red man. Thus they were both at fault. Drivers need to remember the Amber actually means STOP. Not speed up to avoid the Red. And Pedestrians 🚶♂️ and Cyclists 🚴♂️ need to remember that that the little Red man means Do Not Cross.
Not victim blaming, this was clearly homicidal behaviour on the part of the car driver, but was that actually a TOUCAN CROSSING? I can't see a cycleway marked adjacent to it and If not it was a PEDESTRIAN CROSSING and the cyclist should have dismounted, regardless of the colour of his lights. Had he done so, he wouldn't have changed the circumstances in front of the stupid BMW driver, so quickly and it might never have ended as it did. Yes BMW at fault. But on a very minor level of culpability (if it wasn't a TOUCAN he used); how much care of himself was the cyclist taking?
It might be worth mentioning that the BMW driver's insurance will have paid compensation and other expenses to the cyclist, and that once the BMW driver does finally return to the roads he will face astronomical insurance costs, very high excesses, and he'll also probably be forced onto a telematics "black box" based policy. Insurance companies use these methods to stop dangerous drivers returning to the roads even when the police are pretty much powerless.
I always wonder about that, but drunk drivers get reinsured, I heard for about £5,000. I believe that the circumstances for a life-ban should be much less than they are, very poor drivers are very likely to cause serious injuries. Maybe there should be a 3 serious offences and you're out policy, I mean as in drunk/dangerous driving etc
The BMW should have stopped at the first red light. The cyclist obviously thought that he would, just like the other car which had already stopped there. 100% the BMW driver's fault and he deserves prosecution for the offence "causing serious injury by dangerous driving", or just "dangerous driving" (depending on how serious the injury was).
Am I seeing it wrongly or does the cyclist cross while the lights are red against him and green for traffic? The BMW is totally in the wrong and an arsehole and ran the first set of lights that were red and against him and he was speeding, but the second set where the accident happened were green for traffic and red against the cyclist.
He crossed because there was no traffic on any of the lanes going ahead because the set of lights the BMW jumped were on red! The only vehicles were those waiting to turn right and nothing was merging from the left. He wouldn't have been able to prejudge that some twatty BMW driver was going to jump the lights. But no, lets blame the cyclist as per usual rather than the male ego driving the BMW.
@@kailani37 So how can the postman see that the lights are on red from all the way up the road? Not all lights change at the same time so you can’t make presumptions…
@@paulfitzgerald7513 it doesn't matter, the BMW jumping the lights allowed the accident to happen. Iimagine they were also able to analyse the video and prove he was speeding, which would cause a person crossing to misjudge what time they had to cross, or not even have seen the car. It isn't an offence that I know of to cross a road on a red man.
@@andrewdeighton5926 You’re right, it doesn’t matter that he jumped the lights as the cyclist didn’t know that the lights were red!!! The cyclist crossed the road before the green man told him to and with him not looking at the road either ended up with him being driven in to. Take a proper look at the video and leave your Lycra loving glasses off whilst doing so. I’m not saying anything that didn’t happen!
Am I the only one who sees the light green where the cyclist rides out in front of the speeding BMW. Both at fault, one for speeding and one for crossing the road when a red man is showing.
he sees the car stop at the lights further up so he knows the only cars that will start coming are from the right or the left that are waiting, he's probably crossed there regularly with no problem
@@lestercranmer2631 did he or did he not cross on a red...simple, forget his local knowledge. Answer, he crossed on a red and got slammed as a result. Car driver way to fast but thats why the crossing is controlled by lights and he had a clear green that stayed green even after the accident for a few more seconds.
Light was amber at 0:56, turned red at 1:00 and cyclist entered road at 1:03 by which time the BMW had jumped the red light. Cyclist may not have made adequate observations but the BMW driver was definitely in my opinion guilty of driving without due care and attention and also dangerous driving based on excessive speed for road and weather conditions as well as running the red light. Had the BMW driver complied with the requirements of the Road Traffic Act the collision would not have occurred.
@@cuddlybear_uk are you blind, like others you are looking at the wrong lights. How do people get this wrong, it's staggering. It's even green for some seconds after the collision.
The adjoining street on the right, governed by traffic lights is Old Clough Lane. At the top is Manchester Road, where I was hit by a speeding car and Hospitalised in 1994. I wish people would have to take refresher driving tests every ten years or so. Would help keep idiots off the roads a bit more than currently.
That is no postman. That's a Dad on a Tern GSD long-tail cargo bicycle, with a seat and footplates for two children on the back. Thank goodness his kids were not on there.
That first light looked as it was amber, he should of slowed and stopped. The 2nd looked to be green. Either way. He was speeding like a bat out of hell
Totally agree the BMW driver jumped the 1st set of lights at red & far in excess of the 40mph posted limit but the 2nd set were at green when the cyclist started crossing the carriageway. They changed to red after he/she was hit & the BMW pulled to the left hand side of the carriageway. If the cyclists had waited for the safe to cross light or beeper it would be a different story. Both participants in this collision were at fault.
Think of it like this, if the BMW driver was doing the 40mph posted speed limit he would've stopped at the first set of red lights and this accident wouldn't have even happened. Bit retarded saying the cyclist was at fault when im sure he didn't expect someone to jump a RED light at upwards of 60+mph...
@@Trollinator.2 Alan didn't say that pedestrians do have to cross at traffic lights. Alan didn't say that pedestrians do have to wait for a green light. Alan did not imply that jaywalking was illegal in the UK. Alan was not solely allocating fault from a legal standpoint. If a pedestrian/cyclist fails to look properly and enters the road right in front of a speeding car they are clearly partly at fault. We can tell as they have broken highway code rule 7.
Are you for real? There was a crossing at the first set of lights that the BMW drove through. Anyone crossing there would have been hit. Yes the second set of lights were green but the queueing traffic was in a right filter so natural assumption for the cyclist to cross. Also if the BMW did blow through the lights at 80, not much time for the cyclist to react. I guess the court made a different judgment on who was responsible.
If he was unable to stop safely then he was not driving in an appropriate manner for the prevailing road conditions and having such a blatant disregard for the safety of other road users should result in a lifetime driving ban in my opinion. Strong measures like a lifetime ban is unfortunately the only way some people will take on board the message that driving in such a dangerous and careless way can result in fatalities.
Dread full driving , excessive speed , under taking , failing to stop at a RED light , the posty probably looked right , saw the RED light at the major junction and was safe to cross , no red light offence , no accident .
Is undertaking not legal in the UK? I'm in Australia where you can legally overtake on left or right, irrespective of whether it's a suburban road or freeway, etc.
Car in wrong. Speeding. Already went through one red light, would probably have gone through the next red light. Cyclist would have assumed (a) lights were red, so nothing should have been coming, and (b) car was doing proper speed.
Car was definitely in the wrong here, But you should also keep an eye out for what everyone else is doing. The cyclist crossed the road on a red light for him, Me personnel I wouldn’t have crossed I would have waited, There Is always someone who makes a mistake, Take some responsibility for your own safety too.
I think the cyclist seen the first lights go red (the set one the car jumped) and was thinking that his crossing set changed at the same time and so started across, however the the lights for the road at the crossing stayed green and the car hit him on a green light. So two wrongs do not make a right, The car jumped a red and so did the cyclist, both bloody idiots anyway.
There are two separate sets of lights on different timings and @ 1:16 the cyclist starts to cross the pedestrian crossing and the driver has a green light, then 3 seconds later @1:19 they crash and the driver still has a green light 1:22 the lights turn amber for the driver. If you watched it on a phone you may not have seen the second set of light, but on a big screen you will and so they are still both bloody idiots anyway.
@@Nevswim Well let's be honest, Salford is shit too and Swinton is in Salford, not Manchester. Cue arguments about it being in Greater Manchester, from someone who doesn't know the difference.
BMW at fault ,,,, because he was speeding ( if he wasn't speeding he wouldn't have been there ) BUT Cyclist was in the wrong ,,,, he should have waited for his green light ( or at least looked )
Yes, mistakes from both. I suspect the cyclist regularly does this route and knows when he sees one stop he is safe to cross. Did not expect the BMW which was way behind to run the lights so long after they went red. Also, that was a 40mph limit. So he did not expect the BMW to get so close to him so quickly out of nowhere. Fair enough I think. Just shows we should always look twice as, there might be law-breaking idiots around, speeding and running red lights even in the wet.
Simply put there was no traffic except for the speeding BMW so he had every right to cross then, he didn't see the BMW will late and the BMW should have stopped at the red light, period
@@andrewdeighton5926 If pedestrians are going to cross the road despite the crossing lights being against them then what is the point of having the lights ?
It's curious that there are numerous comments that attribute some fault to the cyclist based on they shouldn't have been there or should have looked better. The reality is that the driver was driving as if everyone needed to get out of their way. Their speed and manor of driving meant that if anyone did get in their way either because they were 'allowed' to or because they made a misjudgement a collision was inevitable. This is dangerous and perhaps if you also think that other road users need to out of your way then you are too.
Given honest intentions many might well be exploring all aspects. Imagine if there had not been a cyclist on what is likely to be a pedestrian crossing. We wouldn't even be discussing it, except to call, the BMW driver rude names for driving like an idiot. I made the point above that being in the wrong place (when you can observe and plan not to be), when it all goes dangerously wrong, does indicate some usually very minor culpability. Given green traffic lights mean proceed with caution if its practical, for a car driver, then I'd expect other road users to be thinking the same way. (We know they don't but attention and adherence to limits usually sort that out). This is not to say that the BMW idiot was not totally to blame, only that pedestrians must also observe and assess risk, even if their light is green. e.g. Since 2011 special forces drivers have had the legal approval in law to exceed limits, run lights and if a death ensues they in times of national emergency or protection of senior people, cannot be sanctioned. (Police do not have these rights or protections).
This is why I can't cycle on roads .when you been knocked off ur bike u lose ur conferences to go back on the roads.. car driver think they own the roads they don't they should b banned from driving
Looks to me as first lights crossed when red and is why the red fiesta had stopped some 4 seconds before the bmw got there. 2nd set of lights (the pedestrian crossing) were green so the cyclist would have been crossing while his notification was red. I can’t tell for sure if the bmw was exceeding the 40mph limit, though it does look like it. The BMWs guilt was jumping the first red and possibly speeding and that could be worked out by measuring time and distance. The cyclist must take some responsibility for not waiting until the pedestrian crossing lights had changed before crossing.
The BMW driver is totally at fault, undertaki g the diver in the outer lane and jumping a red light. There seems quite a delay for the 2nd set of lights to turn red. This is a 40mph road so bearing that in mind the BMW driver must have been flooring it
Red light jumpers are especially annoying when you’re pushing a grandchild in a pram or buggy. You’re about to cross and there’s always some idiot driver who will run the red light. Endanger their own lives by all means, but don’t gamble with another human-being’s, especially a baby or a child. 😡🤬
I got banned to 9 months, 6 points and a £300 fine, for doing 120 mph on an empty dual carriageway, in good weather. Even the cop that caught me wasn't on the dual carriageway, he was on a flyover or something. Nobody died.
@@fredmercury1314 That's still bad man. Twice the limit! And can get cyclists on dual carriageways. Someone could have died. Yes the BMW driver here should have got more points for sure! So should you I reckon.
@@fredmercury1314 well of course you would at that speed, all the road being empty does is reduce the amount of aggravating factors they can bring to bear on you in court, but it's rarely going to get you off with any speeding offence - what would have happened if there was a car ahead of you? Or one car happening to pull out and pass a slower one? you'd go to prison for years if someone died - grow up!
@@andrewdeighton5926 "what would have happened if there was a car ahead of you? Or one car happening to pull out and pass a slower one?" There Were No Other Cars So... nothing would've happened, which is why nothing did happen. Grow up yourself.
Looking at this in slow motion and with the help of Google Earth, we can see that the lights went from green to amber when the BMW driver was 380ft (117m) from the intersection. At the speed limit, and even in the wet they could've safely stopped (as required by the Highway Code). BMW driver just f'ed up big time.
typical cyclist IGNORE THE LIGHTS, BLAME THE DRIVER, reason he went is he saw all the traffic in filter lane stationary waiting to turn right, ASSUMED LIGHTS WERE AT STOP,, WENT WITHOUT CHECKING..
THATS IS A JOKE IF YOU CALL THAT JUSTICE!!!! I DID NOT SEE ANY COMPENSATION FOR THE POOR CYCLIST???? AND ONLY A £80 FINE EH A TAKE A DRIVING TEST AGAIN. WHAT ABOUT CHARGING HIM WITH ATTEMPTED MURDER FOR STARTERS???
Well done to the driver of the blue van for helping provide protection to the injured cyclist by parking his van at an angle. At least in that way he protected the cyclist and by angling his van even if someone collided with his van it wouldn’t be pushed into the scene.
That was a genius move. Great driver.
Both van and volvo driver wonderful people to stop and help despite what they were doing that day.
Its called the Fend off Position
@@robcarver3080 thanks, couldn’t remember the name but knew why he positioned his vehicle the way he did.
The van at 1:46 who moved into the empty lane to protect the injured person. Amazing job 👏👏👏
I was in similar situation 20yrs ago, and I used my vehicle as a shield. Props to the van driver; regrettably my chap had cut himself in half on a road sign, so all I could do was pray for a kindly judgement on his soul...
Driving like that should bring an automatic lifetime driving ban, with a lengthy prison sentence for defying that ban.
I totally agree with your comment, its ok if people are against your view but just ask them one question what if it was their child or relative that got mowed down would they still feel that way uh uh I doubt it✌ PEACE✌
Absolute prison sentence.
That car was effectively a lethal weapon driving like that. As long as the law continues effectively let drivers get away with this behaviour they will continue to drive in this manner they effectively just got a slap on the hand not going to deter them in the future and soon the driver is back behind the wheel, then it’s back to jumping reds and speeding until the next victim
Another meaningless punishment for someone who almost killed a man. It's no wonder that nobody gives a toss about the rules of the road!
Sad. In my country the car would have been burnt ; including the driver.
The whole layout of the incident has to be examined before people jump to conclusions
You not stopping to give the police your dashcam footage is equally as bad
@@roqxana Harsh.
Not excusing driver, noticed green light when unfortunately cyclist who was postie & ivol Ed with doing his round pulled out in front of Audi sport back.
BMW driver was speeding for sure and classed as reckless driving, but the cyclist clearly started crossing when the traffic light was still green.
Light was amber at 0:56, turned red at 1:00 and cyclist entered road at 1:03 by which time the BMW had jumped the red light. Cyclist may not have made adequate observations but the BMW driver was definitely in my opinion guilty of driving without due care and attention and also dangerous driving based on excessive speed for road and weather conditions as well as running the red light. Had the BMW driver complied with the requirements of the Road Traffic Act the collision would not have occurred.
The dashed lines are placed at 9m centres, the BMW driver passes 3 of these in just 0.6s (measured frame by frame). That means his speed was 45m/s, approximately 101mph. In a 40. 2.5X the speed limit. Peoples don't anticipate that kind of speeding. You wouldn't tend to expect someone doing 75mph in a 30 for example.
@@cuddlybear_ukthe second set was green for the car but the first set the bmw ran the red light on
Note the blue/green van - moving into a position to protect the fallen cyclist...
Its one thing i love about the UK, if someone sees you in need they will always drop everything to help and make sure your ok, saved my skin before and its always good to see
The usual suspect I see 🙄
Hope the cyclist makes a full recovery
Please omit this stupid inappropriate music to this very very serious video clip
I'll forward your request to managment , but In the wording you used he'll likley tell you to take a hike
@@DannyDashcam why is he a complete dick head as well as tone deaf
British people are kind and compassionate as we can see the others stop and block the road in order to rescue the cyclist. I was an overseas student in the UK for 4 years during the 80s. I love England.
I think you would notice a difference in peoples attitudes now. Ok, some stop to help, some areas the people are compassionate but, four decades has changed society so much.
@@beaufighter245 I see. The world has changed as well as people too. But most of the British are still kind in comparison with other nations. I'm a hongkonger, born in HK during the British colony. Thanks.
@@jameswood6909 true. I know a few from Hong Kong, they are good. Hardworking and friendly. Always integrate well, make no demands that we change our ways, they just get on. Always welcome as far as I'm concerned👍.
@@beaufighter245 thanks.👍
😂😂😂😂
The postman did cross when the lights were green. He probably rides that route 6 times a week. He saw the lights before were red, car stopped, so crossed. Didn’t see the BMW had run the red light.
Too much of this going on, i drive for a living and see it half a dozen if not a dozen times in my work day. Why has red light jumping become a thing, do drivers think they are clever flouting this law? Its not a difficult one, light on red stop, light on green go. It really is that easy.
You didn't mention the amber light preceding the red which people seem to have also forgotten means "stop if you can". They seem to think it means "You have 4secs to get over the line before you're breaking the law although you can ignore the law totally if you know there's not a camera".
@@raftonpounder6696assuming your juvenile term refers to the cyclist, on the right leg I'd reckon.
Sadly, both the BMW driver and cyclist are to blame in this instance it would appear...
Firstly, the BMW ran a red light and was correctly punished for it.
However, having committed that crime, he wasn't at fault for hitting the cyclist as he (the cyclist) must also have 'ran a red light' across the pedestrian crossing as the lights, at that point, were on green in favour of the BMW driver.
The BMW drivers speed obviously played a part in the whole thing no doubt but the cyclist did cross when he shouldn't have.
Hope he made a full recovery however, I'm a cyclist myself as well as a driver of over 50 years and this sort of incident is always just around the corner with the poor attitudes of some (not all) of today's drivers.
Not to mention all the “amber gamblers” who seem to have forgotten that amber means stop unless it is unsafe to do so such as if you can not stop as you have started to cross the last stop line before entering the junction.
@@WeeShoeyDugless Cyclist probably saw the BMW but failed to understand that it was travelling at 2.5X the speed limit or that it would run the red light.
Hi Danny - I totally agree with you, the cyclist is 0% to blame in this case. Those waiting to cross at a pedestrian crossing do not have to wait for a green light to cross if the road is clear, they do not ' jump the red light ' as some others have commented. The time between the red car stopping ( on amber I think ) and the BMW going through the red light is approx 2 seconds. The cyclist, seeing the red car had stopped and the lights at red, would have assumed that the BMW was stopping. I don't believe that the cyclist's view of the BMW was obscured by the red car. Had the BMW been travelling at the speed limit and ran the red light the cyclist may have been able to make the decision not to cross, however the BMW closed him down so fast he had no chance to make that decision! Excessive speed kills. I have been driving for 53 years now and have learnt that as a driver ( and pedestrian ) to never assume that others will ' follow the rules or abide by the law '. The cyclist made the mistake of (reasonably)assuming that the BMW would stop at the red light - lesson learnt .
A well reasoned answer. Unlike 99% of the other shite responses on here...who obviously have an unfathomable hatred for anything that doesn't have 4 wheels and goes brm brm.
too bad its always 21 year olds who are invincible that drive like this. noone with common sense drives like this in the rain.
Complete disregard for anyone else. Should have served jail time.😳😳😳🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🚚
Yeh true but the cyclist should've looked
@@georgedowns4034 Cyclist probably did look but when a motorist is driving at 2.5X the speed limit (and running red lights) it can be harder to judge speed.
The truck must have been doing the 40 mph speed limit, that BMW must have been around 80 mph, Ran the red light and almost killed someone, he needs jailing and a life time ban. Hope the postman dose make a full recovery,
Yeah the camera truck was doing around the 40 limit , the bmw was shifting
Observation. BMW driver barely missed the first light but had green on the second light. At 1:18, still a red light for the crossing cyclists but elected to step in front of an approaching vehicle? At 1:20 with cyclist on the surface, the crossing light is Amber. The cyclist did not look to see approaching vehicles nor waited for the pedestrian light turning green, otherwise he would have not stepped into the roadway. When I drive, I often see people in crosswalks doing the same insane move! They wait for pedestrian sign to signal to cross never looking for approaching vehicles that are not stopping. This accident happened in a peculiar intersection. First a vehicle intersection then just barely down the road a pedestrian crossing. I noticed the signal lights did provide time for vehicles crossing on Amber or stale green light to proceed on green on the pedestrian crossing. As estimated, speeding is seldom a wise option specially with wet conditions. Two wrongs created this unfortunate accident.
@@Rhaman68 cool story bro, except Amber means stop in the eyes of the police investigation , so it wasn't slightly changed was it if your honest, and the red light was not red long because he was doing about 80mph in 40mph zone. Stop defending stupid dangerous driving and trying to apportion blame to the cyclist which is abundantly clear isn't needed because they clearly weren't at fault, I think your American, in the UK pedestrians and cyclists get more protection under UK law because of their vulnerability. The cyclist was not at fault here
Looked like the usual suspects though
The pedestrian crossing signal was still showing green to the road users when the cyclist crossed the road. It doesn't excuse the BMW jumping the red light at the first signal, but the cyclist should have waited for the pedestrian signal to give him priority before crossing the road.
I just came to read the comments from sociopaths who would blame a cyclist if he was hit riding a stationary bike in his living room.
BMW' eh! Well we know that the protected ones LOVE those cars and to drive one means that NO rules of any kind apply.to them.
No surprise it was a BMW....
The BMW was at fault here overlook the HGV that was on the speed limit ran the red stop 🚦
Lights even though the red fiesta was stopped already
Hopefully he will also have to pay a serious amount of future income to pay for the postman’s injuries and his insurance rates determine he has a transit pass for life.
I always look before I cross, firstly because idiots can drive and secondly brakes can fail.
The root cause of this accident was the BMW speeding in the 40 limit; if he was driving to the limit he would have been able to stop in time at the traffic lights.
Raining, BMW speeding and undertaking at traffic lights, cyclist crossing road - new highway code ruling regarding vulnerability of road users. Court obviously put the full blame on the vehicle driver, not just to get a ban and fine, but also unpaid work and a driving test resit. Correct result, CPS would not prosecute otherwise. Hopefully driver will learn from their error. Hopefully cyclist will make a full recovery. Pretty horrific to witness, thank goodness not fatal. Mitigating for the driver, at least they pulled over and stopped.
"Only just red though, innit". Come to Birmingham where this train of thought is the rule and not the exception.
Yea bro innit. lol. The BMW driver raced through to try and beat the lights but could easily see the lights changing but still went for it. You can see this quite clearly on the video bro, innit.
100 hours community service. The cyclist is going to take alot longer than that to recover.
And I doubt that the mail he was carrying got delivered either 😔
Not to mention the trauma of riding a bike again, he will probably not be able to return to that job
It's a lot. Hope this helps.
A pure BMW driver through and through 🤦🏼♀️
What is wrong with people? Why would anyone jump a red light? What is to be gained? I was almost taken out like this years ago by a nutter.
Saves five seconds! That's crucial in today's busy world. After all, the important Beamer driver (who must be a more worthy human because of his "ultimate driving machine" ride) obviously was on his way to close on a multi-billion deal; the loser postal guy was only doing his lowly, low-paid rounds on his scumbag bike. "Get outta my wayyy!" Might makes right!
saving time and thinking that you're an edgy driver. He looks to me like he's also just a crap erratic driver, he didn't manage to get anywhere near to avoiding the bike. I have seen idiotic drivers who do seem to have some skill to save the day, most of the time.
Classic BMW driver believing some of them can do as they please, after all....it's the ultimate driving machine" . Give 'em wide berth so you don't get rolled in to their recklesness.
A pertinent lesson in the need for defensive driving & cycling
or non-dangerous driving? I would call jumping a light, at speed, in terrible weather the polar opposite of defensive driving.
Should have had his car crushed too. Banned for 10 years and £10,000 fine. That would make other people sit up and take notice that this sort of driving is not acceptable.
His BMW should have been seized, repaired at the idiot driver's own cost and then sold at auction. The proceeds should then be donated to the innocent cyclist he hit.
@@01matthewc probobly a better idea than crushing it now I think about it. Seeing it pass by as he stands at a rainy bus stop will really piss him off..
Look at the driver he would just have reappeared with a different name and be back on the road a day later
The BMW driver obviously needs a little visit to teach him right from wrong
As a pedestrian using multiple sets of crossings, I'd say I see this 80% of the time the lights change to red. Red light running when they've just changed to red is actually more common than people stopping. There's just no excuse for it, these people need to stop being c***s.
I keep telling my kids, it doesn't matter if the lights are red, keep looking, because theirs always one(at least one) idiot that may run the lights, whether accidentally or not!
Stay safe!
The amber light comes before the red and amber light means STOP.
So a driver crossing on amber is commuting an offence. Red comes 2 seconds after amber so there is no leeway.
@@richardbosson8597
It's 3 seconds that the amber shows for.
Red+amber lasts 2 seconds before green shows
Driving like that deserved more than a fine and a ban, it was down right dangerous, no hazard perseption, excessive speed, poor road conditions, and though it will increase their insurance, it needed a shock to hit home and also give their friends something to think about, not just a ban and a retest.
Biggest bellends drive the following cars VW Audi BMW All the same I’ve had many arguments including one who was tailgating having ago that I was doing 29 in a 30 yea he got out of the car and wanted to start a fight .Nowadays what ever speed you are doing someone seems to be behind to close they always want to exceed you .Even going on the other side of the road when you turn off a road zero patience is simply that .
Impatience is one of the worst problems on our roads these days
I watched one idiot overtake a slow woman a couple of days ago, only to have to sit in a queue of cars at the lights and the woman to catch him up and re overtake him - stupid fool
Volvo, Mercedes, Astra, Toyota, Renault, Mazda, etc. Their are bellends in every make of car.
yes predominantly though it’s drivers of German cars .
@@sarahmills7878 yes very true it doesn't matter what make of car it is
Not every audi or bmw driver is as bad as people make out
Sorry to say mate, out of all the complete knobs on our roads, most of them drive those makes of cars you said. BMW - Bought Mainly by W***kers.
Enrichers driving badly what a surprise
Would not surprise me If the cyclist saw the red car stop at the lights the blue BMW a long way from the lights assumed it was safe to go not expecting the tool in the BMW breaking all sorts of road laws to run the light and with the speed he was going as it looks like he speed up towards the lights sfater he started to cross at that speed he had no where to go except get hit, needs license removed for life as do all the idiots who drive like this, its a privilege not a right to drive until the courts start to really deal harshly with this sort of thing it will never change
Everyone says how the law is too soft....how do we go about changing it? The courts look at the wider situation and factor things in like needing vehicles for work and to provide for their kids
@@TheVanderfulLife and my reply would be we all take a test we all know the laws , if people wish to break said laws then they need to receive the penalties for doing it , all this hardship rubbish needs to stop they know the consequences for doing wrong it's their fault and no one else's,
Foreigners driving totally recklessly in bad wet road conditions. Never surprises me.
It's everywhere the same in Europe, it's always these people
Unfortunately, probably home grown!
How do you know they were foreigners?
They are 2 separate incidents.... He ran a red light....
That's one incident.....
100 yards up the road as he goes through the green light a bike pulls into the road....
That's a separate incident....
That tells me 2 people ran a red light that day and paid the price together
The worst and most dangerous drivers on the roads are young asian guys, like these. They've got no regard for the rules of the road as if they don't apply to them.
When you make your car like a weapon you should be jailed, as you would for using an actual weapon.
Correct, but be careful they will be calling you names for stating the truth !
Usual suspects!
Whilst the BMW driver was going too fast (what’s new?) and should definitely have stopped at the red light, the cyclist presumably has eyes and ears and should have stopped, looked and listened before crossing. Also, it looks as if the set of lights he crossed at were green for the BMW, so he should not have been crossing anyway. So both are at fault as far as I can see.
NOPE!!
BMW was speeding and ignored the red traffic light, so BMW driver is 1000% at fault!
he got away with "a slap on the wrist" and should have been punished much harsher...
the cyclist did absolutely nothng wrong, had a green light and with an A-road you hear loud motoring noises ALL OF THE TIME!
stop with your "victim blaming", Andy! it makes you out as being a total tool and a petty petrolhead.
i happen to cycle far more often than i drive a car, i currently don't even own a car so i use the cars of friends and family when i have a real long commute to make (which is no problem in the Netherlands, but seems to be a problem in the UK)...
i absolutely hate drivers like the one in this BMW, they endanger everyone on the road!!
@@ingeposch8091 Watch the video closely. The BMW speeds over the first (red) light, but the second (decisive) light is still green at the time of collision. Or in other words: The cyclist's was red. That the accident happened because the BMW was way too fast is only a part of the truth.
@@maximkretsch7134 BS!
Yep, looking closer at the video you can see that after the bmw ran the red light, he had a green light at the next crossing when the bike pulled out.
@@navelees AGAIN...
BS!!
go buy a pair of spectacles.
the traffic light for straight on is as red as a freshly used tampon!
bUmw and look at the driver nuff said classic bUmw driver
Oh what a surprise,some of our ethnic friends thinking they are above the law!!
Read my mind buddy was about to make the same comment. Scum bags
Well said!👍
Said it to my wife. BMW reckless driving, bet they are Asian.
Maybe the BMW driver would have got a bigger sentence if the cyclists had not been particularly to blame. He is using the Toucan crossing when the light was against him. Cyclists need to take responsibility for their own safety. 😳🏴🇬🇧🤠
just came to read the comments from sociopaths who would blame a cyclist if he was hit riding a stationary bike in his living room.
@@DeadCat-42 what are you talking about? All that I am pointing out is the cyclist didn’t wait for the lights to change or look before crossing. Yes the BMW was driving dangerously and should have the book thrown at him when I was a cyclist I looked after my own safety.😳🤠
Shockingly bad driving.
Take their licence off them for life
@@raftonpounder6696 are you blind? He ran the first set at clear red!! Are you watching a different video?
@@raftonpounder6696 the light for the cyclist was of no issue as proven at court, the car received the full blame not the cyclist in any way. Your recent and only comments show your a profound anti cyclist so this will be your last comment on my channel because I don't allow this crap to be posted, and as i often say to absolute whoppers, get a grip you silly man
@@raftonpounder6696 On a 40mph road the BMW was doing a minimum of 61 mph and probably closer to 70. (120 yrds / 4 seconds). Had he been driving at the correct speed he would have arrived at the pedestrian crossing 2 seconds later and the cyclist would gone on his merry way. He also had at least 5 seconds to react to the changing traffic lights.
I am not saying the cyclist is completely innocent. They should have read the road conditions better. In terms of fault it lies 99.9999999% with the BMW and had it been 3 months later it would lie 100% with the BMW. Add to that, there looks to be an automatic filter for the pedestrian crossing (I have no local knowledge of the A580). The cyclist could easily made the assumption that it was safe to cross.
@@raftonpounder6696 completely irrelevant... He struck the cyclist because of going through at red. If he had stopped where he was meant to the incident would never have happened. As proven in court.
@@winnie6354 The 1st set of lights was red. Had the BMW obeyed those the cyclist would have been uninjured
Now Mr important is later than ever.
Posties no longer use bikes. The bike was a privately owned cargo bike, a Surly Big Dummy. It’s a big heavy solid thing that would probably have saved the rider from more serious injury, and rendered the bmw unable to make off.
Disclosure;I know the cyclist slightly.
We made a guess at the postal worker due to the bike frame. Another person commented saying its not a postal bike but there's alot of comments andnits hardto make out what is correct or.not, if you know.of the gentleman , we hope he is recovering well and is getting better.
To those who say it’s the cyclist’s fault, they may have made a mistake by way of an error of judgement caused by the seriously excessive speed of the beamer driver.
The beamer driver made deliberate choices to speed & fail to stop at a red!
It was on the A580 so could have been in Liverpool, where half of the crossings either don't work properly or don't work at all
@@rogueuniversities6866 you are quite good at cut and paste. But this is in Swinton. If you don't really know shut up.
@@Nevswim Says Manchester. Swinton is Salford, you fool. So no, you shut up.
The BMW was travelling too fast in the weather conditions & the Red light doesn't apply to him!
Do you mean that the particular red light he passed is where the motor cyclist was hit? Examine it carefully...Explore Google Maps?
@@leonarddilworth5257 it's a bicycle
The BMW was travelling too fast for any weather condition. It's a 40mph road and the driver was doing 100mph. 2.5X the speed limit.
Strangely upbeat music to watch someone get run over.
Yes it's totally inappropriate and unnecessary.
As far as I can see, he jumped the first red light but had the lights with him where the accident took place. You can try to make out it was his fault but that wasn't his fault. If you go through an orange light you haven't broken the law.
thwy have now they chamged the law like 2 years ago yellow means stop
So sick of people treating public roads like a race track. Such selfish, ignorant behaviour. Harsher punishments are needed for these bellends.
The BMW driver clearly jumped the first Red light and was probably well over the speed limit. Having said that the cyclist also crossed ignoring the little Red man. Thus they were both at fault.
Drivers need to remember the Amber actually means STOP. Not speed up to avoid the Red. And Pedestrians 🚶♂️ and Cyclists 🚴♂️ need to remember that that the little Red man means Do Not Cross.
Not victim blaming, this was clearly homicidal behaviour on the part of the car driver, but was that actually a TOUCAN CROSSING? I can't see a cycleway marked adjacent to it and If not it was a PEDESTRIAN CROSSING and the cyclist should have dismounted, regardless of the colour of his lights.
Had he done so, he wouldn't have changed the circumstances in front of the stupid BMW driver, so quickly and it might never have ended as it did.
Yes BMW at fault. But on a very minor level of culpability (if it wasn't a TOUCAN he used); how much care of himself was the cyclist taking?
It might be worth mentioning that the BMW driver's insurance will have paid compensation and other expenses to the cyclist, and that once the BMW driver does finally return to the roads he will face astronomical insurance costs, very high excesses, and he'll also probably be forced onto a telematics "black box" based policy. Insurance companies use these methods to stop dangerous drivers returning to the roads even when the police are pretty much powerless.
I always wonder about that, but drunk drivers get reinsured, I heard for about £5,000. I believe that the circumstances for a life-ban should be much less than they are, very poor drivers are very likely to cause serious injuries. Maybe there should be a 3 serious offences and you're out policy, I mean as in drunk/dangerous driving etc
The BMW should have stopped at the first red light. The cyclist obviously thought that he would, just like the other car which had already stopped there. 100% the BMW driver's fault and he deserves prosecution for the offence "causing serious injury by dangerous driving", or just "dangerous driving" (depending on how serious the injury was).
Typical BMW driver 👍
he's typical of a certain type of driver, very erratic and not skilled at what they are doing wrong.
Am I seeing it wrongly or does the cyclist cross while the lights are red against him and green for traffic?
The BMW is totally in the wrong and an arsehole and ran the first set of lights that were red and against him and he was speeding, but the second set where the accident happened were green for traffic and red against the cyclist.
I reviewed this a few times and you are spot on.
He crossed because there was no traffic on any of the lanes going ahead because the set of lights the BMW jumped were on red! The only vehicles were those waiting to turn right and nothing was merging from the left. He wouldn't have been able to prejudge that some twatty BMW driver was going to jump the lights. But no, lets blame the cyclist as per usual rather than the male ego driving the BMW.
@@kailani37 So how can the postman see that the lights are on red from all the way up the road? Not all lights change at the same time so you can’t make presumptions…
@@paulfitzgerald7513 it doesn't matter, the BMW jumping the lights allowed the accident to happen. Iimagine they were also able to analyse the video and prove he was speeding, which would cause a person crossing to misjudge what time they had to cross, or not even have seen the car. It isn't an offence that I know of to cross a road on a red man.
@@andrewdeighton5926 You’re right, it doesn’t matter that he jumped the lights as the cyclist didn’t know that the lights were red!!! The cyclist crossed the road before the green man told him to and with him not looking at the road either ended up with him being driven in to. Take a proper look at the video and leave your Lycra loving glasses off whilst doing so. I’m not saying anything that didn’t happen!
Thats the exact kind of person i'd expect comming out of this kind of car lol
At least we got cheerful, upbeat music to watch it with.
The bmw driver was driving like an absolute bell end. At least he stopped and pulled over immediately and later pleaded guilty to his actions.
Am I the only one who sees the light green where the cyclist rides out in front of the speeding BMW. Both at fault, one for speeding and one for crossing the road when a red man is showing.
he sees the car stop at the lights further up so he knows the only cars that will start coming are from the right or the left that are waiting, he's probably crossed there regularly with no problem
@@lestercranmer2631 wait... He sees cars stopped further up but fails to see a car coming straight at him 🤔 says it all really
@@lestercranmer2631 did he or did he not cross on a red...simple, forget his local knowledge. Answer, he crossed on a red and got slammed as a result. Car driver way to fast but thats why the crossing is controlled by lights and he had a clear green that stayed green even after the accident for a few more seconds.
Light was amber at 0:56, turned red at 1:00 and cyclist entered road at 1:03 by which time the BMW had jumped the red light. Cyclist may not have made adequate observations but the BMW driver was definitely in my opinion guilty of driving without due care and attention and also dangerous driving based on excessive speed for road and weather conditions as well as running the red light. Had the BMW driver complied with the requirements of the Road Traffic Act the collision would not have occurred.
@@cuddlybear_uk are you blind, like others you are looking at the wrong lights. How do people get this wrong, it's staggering. It's even green for some seconds after the collision.
80 pounds for almost killing someone??? He should be in jail for a long time.
The adjoining street on the right, governed by traffic lights is Old Clough Lane. At the top is Manchester Road, where I was hit by a speeding car and Hospitalised in 1994. I wish people would have to take refresher driving tests every ten years or so. Would help keep idiots off the roads a bit more than currently.
That is no postman. That's a Dad on a Tern GSD long-tail cargo bicycle, with a seat and footplates for two children on the back. Thank goodness his kids were not on there.
That first light looked as it was amber, he should of slowed and stopped. The 2nd looked to be green. Either way. He was speeding like a bat out of hell
shocking driving, and it looks he was more interested in the damage to his car than run over to the cyclist!
that's quite common, drivers knock cyclists off and check their car before the cyclist on the ground.
Should have been fuckin jailed
If the BMW hadn’t jumped the red, ,cyclist would have been safe BMW in the wrong
A BMW driver…who’d have thought
BMW driver obviously so concerned about the poor cyclists
Thats the standard of driving you get when your cousin passes the test for you.
Controversial. But possibly some truth to that
Hope the cyclist was OK 🤞
No he wasn't it said at the end of the video he sustained several broken bones.
@@jemper7886 I know but I ment hope he was OK after treatment. That driver should do time at HMP for driving like that
Amber means stop not put your foot down 🤔
Totally agree the BMW driver jumped the 1st set of lights at red & far in excess of the 40mph posted limit but the 2nd set were at green when the cyclist started crossing the carriageway. They changed to red after he/she was hit & the BMW pulled to the left hand side of the carriageway. If the cyclists had waited for the safe to cross light or beeper it would be a different story. Both participants in this collision were at fault.
100% agree
Both at fault, but only one broke the law repeatedly in order to be at fault.
Think of it like this, if the BMW driver was doing the 40mph posted speed limit he would've stopped at the first set of red lights and this accident wouldn't have even happened. Bit retarded saying the cyclist was at fault when im sure he didn't expect someone to jump a RED light at upwards of 60+mph...
@@Trollinator.2 Alan didn't say that pedestrians do have to cross at traffic lights.
Alan didn't say that pedestrians do have to wait for a green light.
Alan did not imply that jaywalking was illegal in the UK.
Alan was not solely allocating fault from a legal standpoint.
If a pedestrian/cyclist fails to look properly and enters the road right in front of a speeding car they are clearly partly at fault. We can tell as they have broken highway code rule 7.
Are you for real? There was a crossing at the first set of lights that the BMW drove through. Anyone crossing there would have been hit. Yes the second set of lights were green but the queueing traffic was in a right filter so natural assumption for the cyclist to cross. Also if the BMW did blow through the lights at 80, not much time for the cyclist to react. I guess the court made a different judgment on who was responsible.
that 1 days jail time and a cup of tea by uk police standards
Going to fast in bad conditions ,he couldn't have stopped anyway
If he was unable to stop safely then he was not driving in an appropriate manner for the prevailing road conditions and having such a blatant disregard for the safety of other road users should result in a lifetime driving ban in my opinion. Strong measures like a lifetime ban is unfortunately the only way some people will take on board the message that driving in such a dangerous and careless way can result in fatalities.
Jumping a red should be ban for life or at least 5 year ban
Ban for life and prison for minimum 1 year.
@@jimj2683 how about 10 lashes per second over the light changing?
Dread full driving , excessive speed , under taking , failing to stop at a RED light , the posty probably looked right , saw the RED light at the major junction and was safe to cross , no red light offence , no accident .
Is undertaking not legal in the UK? I'm in Australia where you can legally overtake on left or right, irrespective of whether it's a suburban road or freeway, etc.
@@coover65 You can't undertake in the UK, ofc you can have separate lanes etc, but can't use the inside lane to overtake the outside lane etc
Car in wrong. Speeding. Already went through one red light, would probably have gone through the next red light. Cyclist would have assumed (a) lights were red, so nothing should have been coming, and (b) car was doing proper speed.
Car was definitely in the wrong here, But you should also keep an eye out for what everyone else is doing. The cyclist crossed the road on a red light for him, Me personnel I wouldn’t have crossed I would have waited, There Is always someone who makes a mistake, Take some responsibility for your own safety too.
@@johnny6476 Agreed - as a cyclist, I don't want to end up dead, so I don't make assumptions
I think the cyclist seen the first lights go red (the set one the car jumped) and was thinking that his crossing set changed at the same time and so started across, however the the lights for the road at the crossing stayed green and the car hit him on a green light. So two wrongs do not make a right, The car jumped a red and so did the cyclist, both bloody idiots anyway.
You cant see the lights on the crossing for the cyclist so you cant possibly know....
There are two separate sets of lights on different timings and @ 1:16 the cyclist starts to cross the pedestrian crossing and the driver has a green light, then 3 seconds later @1:19 they crash and the driver still has a green light 1:22 the lights turn amber for the driver. If you watched it on a phone you may not have seen the second set of light, but on a big screen you will and so they are still both bloody idiots anyway.
Shit driving but (as a cyclist who regularly reports close passes etc) what on earth was the cyclist doing crossing like that?
It was on the A580 so could have been in Liverpool, where half of the crossings either don't work properly or don't work at all
@@rogueuniversities6866 not liverpool it is at the Manchester end of East Lancs near Swinton.
@@Nevswim Well let's be honest, Salford is shit too and Swinton is in Salford, not Manchester. Cue arguments about it being in Greater Manchester, from someone who doesn't know the difference.
BMW at fault ,,,, because he was speeding ( if he wasn't speeding he wouldn't have been there )
BUT Cyclist was in the wrong ,,,, he should have waited for his green light ( or at least looked )
Yes, mistakes from both. I suspect the cyclist regularly does this route and knows when he sees one stop he is safe to cross. Did not expect the BMW which was way behind to run the lights so long after they went red. Also, that was a 40mph limit. So he did not expect the BMW to get so close to him so quickly out of nowhere. Fair enough I think. Just shows we should always look twice as, there might be law-breaking idiots around, speeding and running red lights even in the wet.
What the BMW driver did is indefensible, but why was the cyclist crossing the road when the pedestrian light were against him ?
Simply put there was no traffic except for the speeding BMW so he had every right to cross then, he didn't see the BMW will late and the BMW should have stopped at the red light, period
@@clyth41 No traffic except for any that might come from the road on the left as we view the scene, which happens not long after the RTC occurs
cos he thought the halt of cars gave him chance to cross but he didn't realise the red light was being jumped.
@@andrewdeighton5926 If pedestrians are going to cross the road despite the crossing lights being against them then what is the point of having the lights ?
It's curious that there are numerous comments that attribute some fault to the cyclist based on they shouldn't have been there or should have looked better. The reality is that the driver was driving as if everyone needed to get out of their way. Their speed and manor of driving meant that if anyone did get in their way either because they were 'allowed' to or because they made a misjudgement a collision was inevitable. This is dangerous and perhaps if you also think that other road users need to out of your way then you are too.
Given honest intentions many might well be exploring all aspects.
Imagine if there had not been a cyclist on what is likely to be a pedestrian crossing. We wouldn't even be discussing it, except to call, the BMW driver rude names for driving like an idiot.
I made the point above that being in the wrong place (when you can observe and plan not to be), when it all goes dangerously wrong, does indicate some usually very minor culpability.
Given green traffic lights mean proceed with caution if its practical, for a car driver, then I'd expect other road users to be thinking the same way. (We know they don't but attention and adherence to limits usually sort that out).
This is not to say that the BMW idiot was not totally to blame, only that pedestrians must also observe and assess risk, even if their light is green.
e.g. Since 2011 special forces drivers have had the legal approval in law to exceed limits, run lights and if a death ensues they in times of national emergency or protection of senior people, cannot be sanctioned. (Police do not have these rights or protections).
This is why I can't cycle on roads .when you been knocked off ur bike u lose ur conferences to go back on the roads.. car driver think they own the roads they don't they should b banned from driving
Hope the guy on the bike made a speedy recovery
I've been told he's recovered OK. But I'll bet he's not going to be mentally recovered for a long time to come
@@DannyDashcam That's Good, Glad too hear he was okay. Yeah it would put me off cycling for a while
Recovering. A long road to go yet, I’m afraid
What is it with assholes in BMW,s. I come across driving like this almost every day.
Looks to me as first lights crossed when red and is why the red fiesta had stopped some 4 seconds before the bmw got there. 2nd set of lights (the pedestrian crossing) were green so the cyclist would have been crossing while his notification was red. I can’t tell for sure if the bmw was exceeding the 40mph limit, though it does look like it. The BMWs guilt was jumping the first red and possibly speeding and that could be worked out by measuring time and distance. The cyclist must take some responsibility for not waiting until the pedestrian crossing lights had changed before crossing.
The BMW driver is totally at fault, undertaki g the diver in the outer lane and jumping a red light. There seems quite a delay for the 2nd set of lights to turn red. This is a 40mph road so bearing that in mind the BMW driver must have been flooring it
WOW, unbelievable....😮😲
Red light jumpers are especially annoying when you’re pushing a grandchild in a pram or buggy. You’re about to cross and there’s always some idiot driver who will run the red light. Endanger their own lives by all means, but don’t gamble with another human-being’s, especially a baby or a child. 😡🤬
should off been banned for life. £80 fine thats a laugh.
Min fine ought off been
£1000.
I got banned to 9 months, 6 points and a £300 fine, for doing 120 mph on an empty dual carriageway, in good weather. Even the cop that caught me wasn't on the dual carriageway, he was on a flyover or something.
Nobody died.
@@fredmercury1314 That's still bad man. Twice the limit! And can get cyclists on dual carriageways. Someone could have died. Yes the BMW driver here should have got more points for sure! So should you I reckon.
@@andrewnorris5415 No one died. It was 4am. There was literally no one around.
@@fredmercury1314 well of course you would at that speed, all the road being empty does is reduce the amount of aggravating factors they can bring to bear on you in court, but it's rarely going to get you off with any speeding offence - what would have happened if there was a car ahead of you? Or one car happening to pull out and pass a slower one?
you'd go to prison for years if someone died - grow up!
@@andrewdeighton5926 "what would have happened if there was a car ahead of you? Or one car happening to pull out and pass a slower one?"
There
Were
No
Other
Cars
So... nothing would've happened, which is why nothing did happen.
Grow up yourself.
Crush the BMW driver’s car then lock them up and throw away the key
make them press the button to start the crusher and the charge them to dispose of the waste after
The punishment does not fit the crime.
Looking at this in slow motion and with the help of Google Earth, we can see that the lights went from green to amber when the BMW driver was 380ft (117m) from the intersection. At the speed limit, and even in the wet they could've safely stopped (as required by the Highway Code). BMW driver just f'ed up big time.
The standard of driving has become atrocious in this country now .
typical cyclist IGNORE THE LIGHTS, BLAME THE DRIVER, reason he went is he saw all the traffic in filter lane stationary waiting to turn right, ASSUMED LIGHTS WERE AT STOP,, WENT WITHOUT CHECKING..
THATS IS A JOKE IF YOU CALL THAT JUSTICE!!!! I DID NOT SEE ANY COMPENSATION FOR THE POOR CYCLIST???? AND ONLY A £80 FINE EH A TAKE A DRIVING TEST AGAIN. WHAT ABOUT CHARGING HIM WITH ATTEMPTED MURDER FOR STARTERS???