I completely agree with the theory that Billy killed Tatum. A lot of people think it was Stu, but Billy's eye gesture to Stu was always a dead give away.
To me that look could just as easily be "Nice kill, dude!". Why I think it's Stu? 1) He wanted his ex dead, so fits his pattern 2) GF in the garage was teasing and being silly 3) Everyone was preoccupied with Gale's arrival, and the kill lasted a shorter time than the song playing at the party. 4) He took a beer bottle to the crotch; when Billy flicks at Stu's groin upon arriving to the party, Stu whinces in pain.
@@jennyrrrrgg it’s clearly billy who killed Tatum. Stu would’ve had to change super quick into the outfit and then change back and it makes sense that billy did it and showed up at the front door after
Billy was also clumsy when he had the costume on That's like a Ghostface trademark. They are still humans, no one is a übermensch with or without the mask just a real person. Put up a fight, fall all over the place and kill someone
@@marvingonzalez8586he only asked Stu to participate so he could have a fall guy if they got caught. Billy could be seen as the unwilling accomplice, while Stu was the "mastermind" behind the whole thing. In scream 3 when we find out Roman is the new ghostface, he admits to telling Billy to do this.
Jamie Fitz because of scream 3 we know Roman was involved. I find it more realistic that is was Roman and Billy that killed Casey so Stu could be with Tatum to have an alibi
All i can say is: nothing beats the original scream and original killers. Billy and Stu are masterminds and true psychos. Even tho Jill is also crazy af.
@@yakno3493 Iffy retcon. Even so, Roman arguably initially only motivated Billy to kill Maureen. The events of the first Scream were still all Billy and Stu. I know, you could say that all this would have never happened without Roman. But then again, the same can be said about John Milton. Regardless, I don’t think this retcon did the original film any favors
Billy & Stu will always be in their own league. They are the OG’s and iconic for all the right reasons. But as unpopular as this opinion may be (such takes always are for some when it comes to giving credit to recent installments), I think in terms of brutality and overall sinister vibe, the latest GHOSTFACE is definitely up there. Amber & Richie perhaps don’t compare to Billy & Stu in terms of characterization (actually, I feel Amber rivals Stu), but they definitely defined the term psycho - especially Amber. Now Scream 6’s killer is looking even more vicious and *different*
Billy is the best Stu is the craziest Mickey is strongest Mrs. Loomis is the most relatable Roman is the smartest Jill is everyone's favorite Charlie is most forgettable Richie is the stupidest Amber is the most hated
Fun fact: Wes Craven actually had Skeet Ulrich use 1 hand on the knife, and Matthew Lillard use 2 hands on the knife to differentiate kills for the audience.
Not true. The ghostfaces were played by stuntmen almost entirely until they're unmasked. That's how all of Scream's ghostfaces are filmed. The actors themselves have even mentioned this.
@@Ep1cTV I think they just meant the representation of whichever actor is supposed to be in the costume. The guy in the video said it better than the comment tbh lol.
@@BrokenGodEnt I’ve never seen or heard anything about it actually being true though. Even in a Q&A last year, one of the stuntmen makes no mention of being directed to do anything specific for his ghostface. And we’re talking the opening sequence with Casey. So pivotal moments in the film. Even skeet has said he was never directed to hold or do anything specific to his ghostfaces movements once he’s been revealed as the killer.
What I love the most about Billy and Stu is something I don't see talked about all that much, but I just love how close these two were to each other before the reveal. All of the other killer pairings feel so disconnected from one another personally, at the very least before their reveal where the two killers hardly have any on screen interaction or hardly any indication that they're friends at all. In the original it's so believable that these two are just close friends who decide to go on a killing spree to fuel their own psychotic pleasure, while the other killer pairs just felt like the writers just said "Uh, you and you are gonna be the killers! Sure, why not."
@@elicxceh I mean in comparison not as cool I mean scream one was an unprecedented movie like 2 killers then you figure out they are teens killing their friends just because really can't top that
@@elicxc Amber and Richie’s only sole interaction before their reveals was Amber making fun of Richie for him motive. There was zero indication of the two having even the slightest bit of friendship/relationship before their reveal, not to dissimilar to other ghostface duos like Mickey and Mrs Loomis, or Jill and Charlie. I’ll give them credit for after their reveal, since they seem like the only ghostface duo that was mostly loyal to one another, but that’s my point. That’s only after the reveal. Amber could’ve easily been switched out for someone else like Liv, and nothing would’ve changed.
The first Scream is without a doubt my favorite movie ever, and you pointed out so many things I've never noticed. Makes me appreciate the movie even more with how many intricate details Wes put in it. Great video fam.
@@birdie394 On the Leprechaun kill count Dead Meat commented saying "SLOW DOWN" only me and a few others found the comment. This gives the same feeling.
I love the dynamic between Billy and Stu, Billy has a plan (which we later learn is retconned to be Romans plan) and Stu is literally only going along for the ride. I don't think Stu really would have sought out revenge for being dumped, it was suggested and he liked the idea so went with it. It's like later on in the finale act when Sydney gets the jump on the pair. Billy is acting out desperately because he's seeing his plan fall apart, a plan that has true meaning to him, whereas Stu acts out desperately because he's finally scared that this plan of his best friends isn't going to work and like he says "My mom and dad are gonna be so mad at me!"
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I don’t know if anyone else caught this, I didn’t catch it until I had watched Scream with subtitles, but as Randy and Stu run up to the house trying to convince Syd that they’re not the killer, you can catch Stu sayin that Randy had “Killed Billy, he killed my Tatumn.” Stu shouldn’t know about Billy being “dead” because it’s not mentioned beforehand (Randy doesn’t mention anything about Billy and if Billy truly was helping Stu with everything then he wouldn’t have been upstairs for Randy to accidentally stumble across.) Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
That's true, and one more thing, correct me if im wrong, but as far as i remmeber Stu was asking Sidney to give him the gun, while Randy wasn't, that kind of gave Stu away
i've also found it curious that stu goes to get more beer, presumably from the garage, and yet there wasn't a single mention of tatum being dead nor her body hanging from the cat door. i went into scream already knowing who the killers were, because i'd only just watched it recently and billy licking the fake blood off his fingers is a pretty well known scene, so maybe i was just over analyzing things, but i found that peculiar.
@@remyuk Holy shit, how did I not realize that? If Stu was innocent, he would've told everyone Tatum was dead when he went to get more beers. Honestly, Stu actually gave quite a lot of what-should-be dead giveaways but we barely took notice of them on first watch and only caught them after already knowing he's the killer.
The attention to detail of even remembering the character's body language and keep it consistent throughout the movie is another reason why this movie is so iconic.
It’s like Fast & Furious; the movies are not perfect, but they had kind of a revolutionary impact on the film industry as a whole and car culture, as with Scream and the slasher genre.
My theory is that the Ghostface in the grocery store was another prankster just like in the bathroom scene. I can't picture either of them taking the kind of risk in broad daylight. And as we saw earlier there were several students joking around wearing the Ghostface costume. Definitely a prankster
I absolutely agree. Stu was too busy party-planning, Billy was likely putting the finishing touches on his plan. And while they are attention-seekers, all of their murders display very careful planning. If they were going to scare Sidney again before killing her and her Dad, they'd have tried to isolate her in a private area. The ones we see in the bathroom, Tatum's house and the grocery store I assume are all pranksters.
@MetaVerse Man maybe they lost their nerve at the last minute? The ones who tried this at school got into major trouble (I think they were expelled) and it might have just dawned on them they could get into trouble with the police.
Finally, someone points out the logical reasoning behind Billy being Casey's killer. I've been saying the same thing for years, and yet all I hear back is, "Casey recognised her killer, so it had to be Stu." No shit she recognised him. Billy was Stu's best friend. Of course she knew who he was. More importantly, she'd be more surprised that it was Billy rather than Stu, given Stu's motive to hate her. These same people always ignore the subtle nuances of the choking and the way the killer holds the knife. Wes Craven highlighted these things in the movie for a specific reason. It wasn't by accident.
@@joyastomato237 The writer is not the director. Once the script is sold, the writer has very little influence on what actually happens with the filming and editing process, unless a creative deal is struck where they are to be heavily involved (e.g. J.K. Rowling). The director uses the script as a guide, but it’s really up to them what direction they take the movie in. If they want to change the ending or have a different interpretation of a character, there’s really not a lot the writer can do about it.
@@markrobinson9394 I 100% agree that is true, but why would that instantly invalidate the writer’s claim? It’s not like the director or anyone else said otherwise, it’s just imo, the “reveal” to Casey would be wayyyyy less impactful if it was just Billy. Think about it, Stu does NOT have the wit to be able to handle the phone calls. He’s the minion/sidekick who does the physical work for Billy most of the time. Plus Casey dumping Stu would be a good motive for Stu to begin his part in the killings to begin with.
@@joyastomato237 Less impactful, yes, but its the only thing that makes sense from a direction standpoint. Why firmly establish Billy as the killer who holds the knife in that way if you're going to have a scene of Stu in the mask that contradicts that? We even saw the same knife handling from Billy's daughter Sam in the latest movie. It's supposed to be in the DNA.
I think overall some of the kills were a ploy by Billy to distract the police from looking at just Sidney's murder, so it wouldn't be as obvious that she was the main target. Also by killing Casey, Billy puts more suspicion on Stu. Billy would also probably play the part of the distressed lover, after Sidney would have been killed, making him seem more innocent. It's also interesting to point out that Billy comes to Sidney right after he strangles and murders Casey, possibly signifying that the act gave him some sort of sexual pleasure. This is also supported by the fact that Maureen Prescott was raped before she was killed. In my eyes Billy probably raped her and Stu just helped kill her but I'm not certain. Billy also seduces Sidney right before they enact their final plan to kill her, so ,to me, there's a connection. This movie has a lot of great subtexts and layers that can be interpreted in different ways based on real profiles of serial killers. It's really fascinating.
I'm a bit conflicted over this interpretation. Yes, killing Casey would, if put between Billy or Stu, Stu would obviously have more motive, so I'd agree that Billy's trying to cover his bases. However the idea that Billy gets some sort of sexual gratification from killing isn't evident. I always assumed Billy visited Sidney prior to the murder of Casey, so that he and Stu could steal her father's phone. Billy kills other girls and does not rape them or masturbate. Plus, earlier in the movie the police stated that Sidney's mom was having an affair with Cotton (can't quite remember the name), and they'd had sex the night she was killed but that Cotton was drunk, and he may in fact have raped her. It's possible that Billy or Stu raped her, but I think a court might have just ruled that with how mangled her body was along with seminal fluids/signs of sexual acts, that Cotton raped and killed her. I don't personally believe either of the boys raped her. I think that him badgering Sidney about sex all the time is that he was disgusted with how her mother's promiscuity 'ruined' his life, and he wants her to become the same way to at least a small degree so he can justify the murder even more. Not to mention the whole 'don't have sex in a horror film' monologue that Randy gave, paired with Billy and Stu's motto of 'life's a movie, you just don't get to pick your genre... I don't know. I'm not apologizing for anything that Billy or Stu did, but this was how I understood events. I could be wrong ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@Tyreece190 Billy did the phone call. At this time, Stu killed Steve and break into the house. The very same time, Billy too entered the house. Wes have differentiated Billy and Stu's stabbing style. Billy strangles his victim at first and then go for a straight stab. But Stu is a slice and dice killer.
Right? The brilliance of Wes Craven. He probably started shooting the scene and thought: Matthew, why don't you just play with this mirror? Nobody will ever think anything of it.
@@ryanjeffreyy thanks! I do remember that scene. Looking for the bruise. For some reason I was thinking he looked at himself in the mirror in the costume.
You can tell Stu called Sid while Billy was in jail because he’s being a little more comical and goofy than Billy, who is more dark. Also Billy hits Stu in the nuts at the party when he shows up for payback, because Tatum hit him in the nuts with a beer bottle. So you know it was him. I’m wondering if the opening scene occurred after Billy visited Sidney though. Since the calls came from Neils phone, wouldn’t they have had to kidnapped him before Casey’s house?
Yeah that was Stu definitely. I feel like scream 1 might have the hardest “who killed who plot” cuz like it’s very understandable if Stu was the one who killed Casey and Steve cuz he was angry he got dumped. The way Casey died, to me that looks 97% billy. The fact he stabbed her in the shoulder, crushed larynx and then stabbed her to death. Like billy is a aggressive ass killer, like there’s no way that could have been Stu since he’s not that aggressive as billy.
@@violentpuncher Stu wasn't angry he said they only dated for 2 seconds and it's anybody's guess who dumped who. Tatum confirmed that Stu was with her that night so that leaves Billy as the one who did Casey and Steve. Billy also killed the Principal, Tatum, and shot Randy. Billy was the darker character and by far the more vicious and vengeful of the 2. Look at how berserk he went on Stu for stabbing him in the wrong spot. Stu had to plead with Billy to stop it already.
@@josecalderon9487 Stu was absolutely angry. One of the best parts of Matthew and Jamie were, to me, their totally accurate representation of high school student's way of speaking. Stu was definitely UNDER exaggerating as he was trying to make the relationship seem as small possible. He was absolutely pissed that he got dumped and was lying about it.
@Eli Fossett - I thought Billy hit Stu when he appeared at the party, because he wasn't being subtle when he said, "talk or whatever". Your theory never occurred to me. Very interesting!
As a huge Scream fan who missed so much of these minor details, I am soooo intrigued. Thank you for this. Especially the sound that Stu made in the closet at Sidney’s house that decided to ignore. Also, when he chased her up the stairs and said, “easy, easy”. My mind was BLOWN 🤯
This was pretty good. I never noticed Stu looking at himself in the mirror. I knew for sure that. Stu was one of the killers because he never once questioned where Tatum was after she was killed at his party and she was supposed to be his girl.
Stu killed Casey. That’s clear by the fact that it was his Ex. And at the fountain, Billy covered for Stu he didn’t look at him matter of factly; he looked at him as if Stu shouldn’t have said anything especially not that. Stu says “I didn’t kill anybody.” Then Billy says “Nobody said you did.” In which Stu replies with “Thanks, buddy.” Then when discussing the gutting of a human being, Stu darkly volunteered information, “You take a knife, and you slit ‘em from groin to sternum.” In which again, Billy checks him. “Hey, it’s called tact, you fuckrag.” Billy didn’t kill Casey. Stu did and it’s evident by that. You completely read people incorrectly.
Also, when Billy gets "stabbed" in the bedroom, there are no rips in his shirt or anything. But Sid would be too panicked to actually notice that. These are my favorite movies, so this was a good video to find.
@@nunka34ify Billy was always an obvious suspect. The thing that threw us off-guard was the fact that there was two killers, this was actually innovative in 1996. Now two killers in cahoots is a bona fide cliche in this franchise.. A single killer would be a good thing for the next movie.
@Danielle Lou Yes, both Billy and Stu clearly had "killer" tattooed across their foreheads. Randy was an obvious red herring. But still, like I said, the fact that there were two killers was virtually unheard of in '96, so that twist threw us completely off-guard. They were both clear suspects, though.
He’s actually wrong through as cleared by Wes craven. He did have a good theory. But it’s billy who was in the back who killed her boyfriend and it’s Stu that kills drew. Billy was in the back the entire time on the phone. Stu wasn’t on the phone that much as ghost face.
I’ve never seen anyone point this out but I love the fact that the motive Billy & Stu came up with for Sidney’s father while planning to frame him for the murders is straight out of an 80s slasher lol. Very similar to Roy’s motive from Friday the 13th Part 5 for example. It emphasizes the point that they both were heavily desensitized to violence and movie/media obsessed and drew inspiration from the many horror films they’ve seen. “What if your father snapped your mothers anniversary set him off and he went on a murder spree killing everyone”
Steve’s Death- Stu Casey’s Death- Billy Sydney’s first attack- Stu Bathroom attack- Prankster Himbrey’s death- Billy Tatum’s death- Billy Billy’s fake death- Stu (obviously) Kenny’s death- Stu Dewey’s attack- Billy
I always had a hard time with Stu killing Steve. I felt like Billy was angry with Stu at the fountain scene when Stu said “Na, I didn’t kill anyone” and Billy responds “No one said you did.” Almost disappointed that Stu didn’t hold up his end of the bargain. But I also heard the other theory that Bill was basically telling Stu to STFU, so I understand that too.
All correct except from the bathroom being a prank. The Fonz was killed shortly after so it was clearly either Stu or Billy. My money is on Stu as Sidney has literally just argued with and ran away from Billy.
Stu killed everyone except Himbry. Stu likes to take his time, torture his victims before killing them. Billy wants to get the job done asap. When they reveal themselves to Sidney the way Stu says “Watch a few movies, take a few notes... it was fuuuun” shows his obsession for hunting down people. While Billy exacted revenge, Stu was actually the knife happy killer that’s why he always took his time and let the victims have a moment of reprieve before killing them. 1. Stu kills Casey & Steve (Casey dumped him for Steve). Billy was on the phone throughout - his impatience on the phone and lust for horror movies is proof. 2. Billy kills Himbry while Stu provides distraction. We can see Stu hurrying away after inviting the ladies. Billy got the job done asap without any bs. 3. Stu kills Tatum - Like mentioned above he played around before killing her. He also falls over a lot (a scene where he asks Tatum to get more beer he pretty much falls over the couch). His grunts in the garage are similar to those when he’s chasing Sidney after faking Billy’s death. Most importantly - he sneaks back into the house while Billy shows up later and looks completely fresh (he probably showered after hanging Himbry) Stu kills Kenny as we all know and he attacks Dewey as well as he loves to clean his knife after stabbing (which he does when he pulls out the knife from Dewey as he did for when he pretended to kill Billy). There we have it guys !!
I also heard that Skeet Ulrich improvised, and told Wes after he'd done, the look at the door when he began the conversation with Sidney right before they slept together. He gave the door a hard look before he sat on the bed cuz that was where Stu would be coming in from.
My theory is the first attack on Sidney was to kill her but Billy and Stu realized they had lost control of the situation, and with the police showing up they pulled the bait and switch tactic out of necessity at the last minute to throw everyone off. However, Sidney was then put under supervision which is why they then killed the principal. The party was used to lure Sidney out but the principal's death I think was used for keeping the police busy more than deterring the other party guests. Bc at that point in the story Tatum seemed to be the only other intentional kill since she would've stayed behind with Sid no matter what. Dewey, Gale, Kenny, and Randy all jus happened to be the remaining few coincidentally.
they were both un the opening scene because remember when ghostface asked her to pick an exit? well both were covered because one was at each exit. she was screwed either way.
There was only 1 killer and that was Billy. He told Casey there are 2 main doors to the house (which was the front door and the patio door), one of which she was next to. That was the patio where Steve got killed. Billy was outside the patio door because he threw a chair through the patio doors' large windows before she could guess, so she ran down the hallway to the kitchen and right before she snuck out through the kitchen's side door that Billy didn't know about, she sees him down the hallway running across the rooms. If Stu was there he would be at the main door waiting and she would've been cornered, but he wasn't there cause he was at Tatum's house and she confirmed this to Randy.
I remember when a fan asked both Skeet and Matthew “who killed who?” and they just laughed it off and claimed the fan was overthinking it. It’s clear from this video, that Wes directed them to handle their movements with the knife specifically to their character’s traits. It’s sad they didn’t even realise how much thought was put into it...
Well it was a stunt guy in the suit,but all of this speaks to the detail stunt performers put into their performances that people often overlook. Good stunts really sell action.
AndreAsunte While that’s true, Matthew was actually ghostface in the scene with Randy. He puts both his arms up again to stab him just like his character did in Sidney’s house.
@@jorboii Yes,so did Skeet. They both got to be in that scene. They found out about each other at a convention .It was funny that they both didn't know for so long.
@@jorboii I've never seen that Lillard ever wore the costume (actually, I had seen specifically that he never donned it) It was Ulrich in the scene with Randy
This breakdown is amazing. And seeing the move serval times I never noticed the small nuances in the way each killer held the knife. It made sense to have Stu be more clumsy and goofy because of his personality and have Billy be more calculated and cold. Also I never noticed Stu checking the mirror for bruises, I just thought it was a goofy thing he was doing. And I always thought that this is one of the best slasher films ever because of the detail in the film and the plot twist of two killers. Wes Craven is truly a masterful horror director
I’m pretty sure hes just checking the mirror because Tatum just beat him in the forehead with a lollipop If he was checking because of Sidney , he would’ve had plenty of time before coming to school to do it
@@sepultura7771 When Tatum hit with the lollipop, do you think it really hurt that much. He felt the pain because of the attacks he got on his head because of his victims
Finally someone got that the bathroom scene was just a prank! Everytime I see a Scream video try to say that was Billy or Stu, it immediately brings down the quality of their timeline for me. They basically spell it out that it was prankster because Principal Hembry is seen raging at two students, one of whom was the one who ran in the hall and the other of whom scared Sidney in the bathroom. Can't help but wonder what Billy and Stu thought of that. I feel like they'd either be pleased that Sidney is being made to feel more unsafe, even by stuff that's not of their doing, or angry that they didn't think of it.
I think it's more important than just "pranksters". I agree it was neither of the two, and Roman wasn't a thing yet. It's the big tell that sets up Two killers. Everyone is focused on the idea of a singular killer, that no one is thinking otherwise. The scene Winkler is the tell.
Billy probably wanted to kill Sidney then and there but restrained himself because he wanted to mess with her head and torment her which he does later by first having Stu pretend to stab him after he and Sidney have sex faking his death. Then after the reveal Billy and Stu planned to make her watch them frame her dad for the murders, kill him then after that kill her.
The look of awkwardness? There’s two moments in the film where Billy breaks his character and it’s when he’s with Stu: When he tells Stu “Nobody said you did” out side of the school and as he’s walking away from Randy at the video store. This scene isn’t one of them.
According to a behind the scenes, the only time an actor was in costume was when Ghostface is behind Randy, and it was Skeet Ulrich who asked Craven if he could do it just that time. Of course, every other scene is a stunt double
@@MrJorge006 that’s exactly why. The insurance you would have to take out on the actors to pull off certain stunts would cost a fortune. It’s easier and cheaper to just pay a stuntman to do it. Plus stuntmen/women would be able to do it all in less takes as compared to an untrained actor.
I feel like Rodger L. Jackson has a lengthy phone call with the actors playing the killer. He has a way of replicating their phonetic mannerisms perfectly. A true master of his craft.
If you note the mannerisms in that opening scene I believe they both took turns on the phone. Because like you said, Billy has a more suave and menacing voice whereas Stu's voice retains that excited glee. I always hear Stu after Casey is threatened and you hear that raspy laugh and then "Can you handle that Blondie???"
I’ve been making theories all over the years and I KNOW that for the initiation of their “master plan” and being the 1st time they got to play “ cat & mouse” with one of the targets (Casey Becker) they were both there 🔪
Alexander 1996 it may not be Stu in the beginning but throughout the whole movie it’s most definitely stu and I feel like Wes wants you to know that while he chases syd in the finale
I think thats what makes him even MORE scary after the reveal. The first time I watched it I sort of expected that Billy was the killer because of his voice(sounded a lot like the voice changer) but Stu? I didn’t think that the lanky goofball would be capable of killing anyone.
I never thought of Stu Hiding in sids closet when she came.home from school but this makes so much sense! Especially when you hear the suspense music noise for a split second when she opens it and when she hears a creek noise coming from there! How I never clocked on to that I don't know!
@@Facelessman254 I didn’t ever think about that, either. I assumed whoever it was snuck in through a window or something while she was sleeping. Not camped out for a few hours.
I always wondered who did what But what is interesting is the school bathroom scene Original third film I’ve read two what I could of been and Kevin’s original film was like his series the killing so early in the film it showed the impact stu and Billy’s actions were causing to influence a following Wish we got the original version of the 3rd even though I like the 3rd film
Love that stu’s house was a real country house used, no sets for the inside, every room was really the inside! Seend the vid of the guy who gets permission to take us through the entire house? Its awesome
Just a fun thought: I think Stu will be our killer again in Scream 5. I think about this because- PAUSE! Update: Just saw SCREAM 5 and I still loved it even if Stu wasn’t in it.
Stu was originally going to be the main villain of Scream 3. He would be in prison and orchestrating attacks in high schools by his followers that he’d gained after the first one. This plot was scrapped after Columbine happened, but the serial killer cult led by a man in prison was still used by Kevin Williamson in his show The Following.
Not gonna happen 100%. The main rule of every whodunit movie is that you see all the suspects from the very beginning. In Stu's case his face can be revealed only in the very end and that twist will tell nothing to the general audiences, apart from a relatively small fan base.
@@yadanada4106 it was a 9mm round. Normal police response time is ideally 5/6 minutes. Tatum’s house was in the country side so maybe inside of 15/20 minutes. Billy’s definitely dead dead.
Yes Billy definitely killed Casey. I know she was intended to be killed by Stu but the chase was so chaotic that it was a matter of who got to her first.
Billy is a sick fuck lmao. It only makes sense that Stu killed Steve and billy killed Casey. I always thought as a kid that sindey’s first attack was billy, but it definitely wasn’t for sure.
@@marcoA95 Honestly, I got an idea that Kevin said who KILLED her and when killer raised hand with knife she was still alive. Billy probably said "Hey" to Stu so he came to him and gutted her.
@@Ad-fu6tj Casey's death, in my opinion, came when the phone rang busy to his mother. There came her death. At that moment Casey was being dragged by Ghostface (Stuart) towards the tree. Only afterwards was she gutted and hanged with Billy's help. Seriously, after an official tweet from the film's writer explicitly assigning the murder to Stuart(never denied by anyone)those who still believe Billy did it, I consider them Scream terrapaths.
I agree with all of these except that I think that Tatum’s killer was definitely Stu. When she goes into the garage, the door is locked behind her from inside the house. The only way it could have been Billy is if he was already hiding in the garage. We don’t get a good view of the layout, but from what we do see, it’s pretty small; there doesn’t seem to be anywhere Billy could have hid without being obvious. But what really seals the deal for me that it was Stu is that, after Tatum is killed by the garage door, ghostface exits back through the house. First, it wouldn’t make sense for Billy to do this. He’s not supposed to be at the party yet. Second, it means the door’s unlocked now, so either Stu was waiting behind the door to unlock it for Billy to let him in the house for some reason even though he shows up at the front door the next scene, or Stu unlocked it so he could go in to kill Tatum. It makes more sense that: Stu hid his costume in a room near the garage, slipped it on real quick, killed her, went back into the house, took off the costume, and went back to the party. All in all, he would only be gone for a few minutes, which is plenty of time to have no one notice he was missing. The knowing look between Stu and Billy could mean anything, it’s not necessarily Billy confirming that Tatum’s dead. It could just be Billy checking in with Stu that everything’s still on track with their plan. Not to mention, the overall clumsiness and sadistic playfulness of ghostface in that scene really feels more like Stu. Anyway, thanks for attending my most self indulgent TED talk
Tatum's ghostface had a headtilt, was clumsy and played around with his victim. Billy doesnt do that... hes a one and done type of guy. It was Stu, case closed. If it were Billy then Tatum would have been killed immediately like the prinicipal was
Just to add. Billy does head tilts too but theyre always psychotic or intimate whilst Stus are more comical (usually with his tongue sticking out). Also Billy would have no reason to taunt Tatum. Unlike Stu, she meant nothing to him
Also I have a feeling that Stu and Billy would kinda agree both would get to kill their respective girlfriends. Like I can imagine that Stu would have been jealous if Billy got to kill both of them.
I always thought I was so clever knowing that Stu was the one chasing Sidney in her house. But I never thought out Neil’s kidnapping based on his clothes. You are great man!
@@AsGoodAsItGetsMusic The grunts are done by a looping group that also did things like "See you later, Sid" ADR when Neve gets off the school bus (because she was the only one on there so they threw in voices so it wouldn't be obvious.) There's no reason they'd have a random voice actor say Stu's line or that they'd loop in Matthew Lillard's take in a previous scene (Rose hitting him with the lollipop seemed ad lib and his "Easy" would be, too.) It's just twisting random grunting sounds and trying to bend them to sound like words.
Also the reason why Stu doesnt kill Sidney (or stab her more specifically) when he has the chance at 6:50 is because he had a thing for her so he was probably considering.... the R word
First off I dig the freaking analyzations. Bravo seriously. However, Scream just became that much more scary when you explained how Billy and Stu did their planning. Especially when you talked about how they already got into Sidney's house before she came home from school and how Stu was probably hiding in her closet. Very scary but very awesome.
To be quite honest, I always wondered how either Billy or Stu ended up in her closet? My guess is that they hid in their when she was tricked into walking outside into her porch to “investigate a strange noise”.
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I always felt the Ghostface stalking during the pre party scenes were never intended to be taken at face value. The movie hadn’t revealed who the killers were yet and it was more symbolic that it was someone following and stalking them but not necessarily in costume as obviously the actors couldn’t be shown yet. And it was also another nod to Halloween.
6:54 I have always noticed ghostface saying “easy, easy” as he was chasing Sidney up the stairs. I always thought it was the stunt actor playing ghostface and was added in by accident. Like how in scream 2 when Cici was thrown off the balcony you can see a crew member’s head pop up behind the balcony in the lower right corner of the screen. (they removed it on the new Blu-ray release but if you have the dvd from way back you’ll spot it). Never noticed that Stu said it in school though! Pretty good attention to detail there.
What is so good about Billy & Stu both being Ghostface is that it explains why Ghostface kept seeming to get up quickly after being knocked out or suffering an injury that would slow them down.
or how he was both hectic (Stu) and calculating (Billy). Ghostface was scary because he was unpredictable. He was unpredictable because he was two different people working together
@@armouredjester1622 right but the commenter specified "break in before Sidney got home." She's not saying they didn't break in just the the time that they did.
True. Wes Craven says it on the commentary track. But only because they typically have a stunt actor playing ghostface. This doesn't confirm it was Billy though. Skeet just wanted to wear the costume and Wes still directed him as if it were Stu.
Fun Fact: Lilliard and Ulrich dawned the costume in front of the camera once and it was the same scene. The scene where ghostface is behind Randy and then gets distracted. They both filmed it, but Craven went with the Skeet take. Confirmed by Skeet and Mathew at really multiple conventions.
If it's from the same thing I saw, I recall them saying Ulrich was the one that creeps up behind Randy for the kill and Lillard is the one running away to go after Sidney upon hearing her scream So then they both would have been in the final product
I honestly believe it was Stu on the phone talking to Casey Becker. Pay close attention to the questions he was asking her. He asked her did she have a bf knowing she did then proceeds as if he’s interested in asking her out to reveal if she’s a cheater or not to find out if she cheated on him with Steve. He also already knew all the facts on her favorite scary movies so he use tactics to scheme her into getting all the questions wrong.
Skeet Ulrich he played as the killer like when he was behind Randy when Randy was sitting on the couch that was the first and only time he ever got to wear the costume behind the scenes can tell you that.
Yes that's what Wes said on the commentary (It was actually Skeet in costume behind Randy) although it being Stu makes more sense since Billy is supposed to be playing dead upstairs.
Zack Cherry np man. I love anything Scream related, and you obviously have done your home work. Highly interesting to a mega fan. Check this out dude: I filmed a Scream fan film at Stu’s actual house last year. It’s sorta my take on the beginning to Scream 5, hinting that Stu is not dead. ruclips.net/video/KjFvVsviQsA/видео.html
I feel like Sidney was meant to be killed by Stu that night when she was waiting for Tatum. It was like , billy killed Casey for Stus revenge on Casey and Stu was going to kill Sidney for billy, but when Sidney escaped , they had to make it the house party being the night they kill Sidney. But then again , that’s just my opinion :)
I always assumed Stu was meant to kill both Steve and Casey himself with Billy merely directing traffic as a sort of "reward" for Stu helping him kill Sidney's mom a year prior. When Casey began to put up a big fight and nearly escaped, Billy had to intervene and stop her himself. He likely gave the final touches to Stu since Casey was still barely alive while being dragged away. Stu being more impulsive probably would have killed Sidney in the first attack if she didn't stop his downward stab.
@@clarencegutsy7309 the thing is they admitted they was going to kill cases either way. So I believe one was at the front door and the other at the back door. I thi k Billy was the mastermind and needed full control. Especially for the first murder in the spree. This one had to give them full control and Billy seemed like the one who would have that motive. So I think he would of wanted some of the action. But contradicting myself he might of felt full control getting stu to do everything.
Nope, Billy killed Maureen Prescot, Steve, Casey, the Principal, and Tatum. Stu killed Kenny, and stabbed Dewey. Tatum said Stu was with her that night. His alibi is legit because in the video store, Randy said to Stu that Billy is the only suspect in the senseless bloodbath (Steve & Casey's murders) and he believes Billy is the killer. Clearly Billy is the mastermind, the one in charge, and the more vicious and vengeful of the 2.
This is what happened. Caseys chase was so chaotic that it was a matter of who got to her first. Stu got knocked out by the phone so Billy had to go get her. Stabbing and strangling is Billys MO so Billy stabbed, strangled, and wounded Casey. He could've finished her off but he didn't because she was meant for Stu. After wounding her Billy brought her to Stu where Stu finished her off by gutting (his MO) her. So yes Stu did kill Casey but not in a way that we all thought he did. As for recognizong the killer. She was shocked that it was a classmate and her ex's bestfriend. By then she figured out there were two killers so she knew Stu was involved. Another detail. When Billy decided to strangle her, he was strangling her till she passes out where he can bring her to Stu so he can kill her. When she was being dragged she you can see she mainly got stabbed on the sides. Meaning that Billy wounded her, brought her to Stu, and Stu delivered the fatal blow.
I also think Billy did all the calls considering his character is a big homage to both Black Christmas and Halloween. Makes obscene calls like the Billy in Black Christmas, shows a fixation with strangling victims before stabbing them to death like Myers in Halloween.
Also notice that Billy's mask is different than Stu's during the first two times he's seen as Ghostface. There's a real world reason for this, as they hadn't secured the rights to the Funworld outfit when those two scenes were filmed, but it's interesting to note that the two times you see a clearly different Ghostface mask are both Billy. The mask that Billy chases Casey with is clearly different than the one Stu has inside the house, and Stu is never seen with a mask like that, meaning it could technically serve as an early hint that there are two Ghostfaces.
The scene were Tatum died always confused me. Most garage doors can only lift up a specific amount, therefore the garage door should never have lifted her off the ground.
7:30 my theory for that attack is they planned for Billy to show up and get apprehended and be locked in jail so Stu can do another attack later and clear Billy as a suspect because he has a rock solid alibi of being locked in a jail cell surrounded by cops. Pretty smart if thats the case.
I always assumed Stu killed Tatum just by the way he interacts with her, but your timeline probably makes a lot more sense for it to be Billy, but I just feel like their interaction a lot more intimate when she does the “can I be the helpless victim” shtick with him. Either way, awesome vid, obsessed with this movie! 🥰
I think Billy killed Tatum in the garage. Notice Billy and Stu exchanging looks right afterwards? Billy: "I took care of her".. Besides, Stu was busy entertaining his party guests
The interaction bit doesn't matter, at first, she thought it was Randy in the costume and that's why she interacted like that with him. They were friends, although maybe not very close
I always thought Stu killed Tatum as well, how was Billy able to get into the house without being seen by anyone or when he went back into the house after? All of Stu's guests were drunk and partying, I think he would have been able to slip away for 10 or so minutes to kill her, no one noticed Tatum missing the rest of the party except for Sydney. Also how would Billy know that Tatum would go into the garage alone without anyone else at that exact moment? I also thought the look Billy gives Stu when he arrives was signaling that he had killed Mr.Himbry and had him at the football field, Stu had to get ready for the party and Billy had a lot more time on his hands to put him there himself. It wasn't too long later the call came informing everyone about Himbry and I think that Stu called from the kitchen using the voice changer and Randy was too drunk enough to ask any questions about who was on the phone and also he did answer someone else's house phone. Also and I just realized this but it's pretty messed up that during this whole party with all those people there including a cop (Dewey) that Sydney's dad was there tied up and gagged the whole time!!!!
This is PHENOMENAL man! I absolutely love how detailed, logical, and deeply thought out this is! You have a keen eye and great attention to detail. I’ve always wanted to know which guy killed who (it’s always been a mystery, but not anymore)! Now I can watch the movie knowing when it’s Billy or Stu as Ghostface. You’re a genius! Can’t wait to watch your other videos. I subscribed! You’re awesome and you’d be great at writing screenplays for horror films! 😃
Excellent breakdowns. Never noticed the "easy easy", the mirror or many other things. Your theories are very solid. Also watched the first murder breakdown which was really well done. Nice work and I subbed.
It's funny. After watching each movie in the series the first time, on subsequent viewings, my family (mainly one of my sisters) and I would try to figure out who killed/attacked who. If my memory serves me correctly, we did settle on basically what you described in this video. We did think Stu may have been the one in the bathroom because there's no real sense of time, but thinking back, it is most likely to be a prankster for the same reasons you mentioned.
"I've seen that movie 20 GD times!" And still never put some of that together. Like the "easy easy" & mirror thing, and the bathroom ghost face just being one of the pranksters. And Stu being in the closet the whole time. Guess I'm not as observant as I thought 😄 Great content!
@@filmgeekstudios4393 Thats what he means. Because of the Satire of Scary Movie, the Scream movies aren't as scary. I just did a scream athon with my wife and we were trying to pick out what parts scary movie was making fun of. Like how the stairs in Stu's house GO ON FOREVER!!!!
@National Sports Entertainment it's not irrational to be afraid of a horror movie, when you get immersed in a story it can feel like you are experiencing it too, hence why jump scares and feeling tensed and scared happens so often when watching horror movies.
I appreciate this movie so much more. People say it’s “cheesy” or “corny” but even if you didn’t know the intricate details such as the ones stated in this video, it is still an amazing ICONIC film. Truly amazing how they managed to keep track of the killers and came up with how to plan out their murders. And ya just gotta love Skeet Ulrich and Matthew Lillard !!!🖤🖤🖤
This analysis is great and I mostly agree. The simplest way to explain it is that Billy and Stu girlfriend swap when it comes to the murders. That's why Billy kills Casey first to show Stu how it's done and when Stu's turn comes around (taking care of Sydney), he botches it. I think they were definitely trying to kill her in that first attack but Stu wasn't as confident as Billy.
I'm gonna go ahead and give stu more credit, stu was actually crazier than billy was for one thing and even if you like to be open about it doesn't make you a bad killer, I mean look at jigsaw he let everyone know what he was doing and killed the people that tried to stop him so being loud like stu was isn't a draw back, his issue was the writing like there's no logical reason for stu to be on billys dick like he was if he couldve dug deep into that anger he couldve came out on top I mean fuck they both said they got their plan from some horror slashers if anything stu was more of a killer than billy was billy just wanted to get a not even revenge revenge cuz like it wasn't even his relationship or sidneys it was his parents stu didn't even know why billy was doing it which was a stupid reason, stu just loved to kill and like billy himself says "a killer with no motive is scarier than a movtive" ol dumbass contradicts himself in the very next sentence by giving a motive of revenge at least stu can keep it consistent
I think Stu killed Steve as revenge, and Billy killed both of Stu's love interests (Casey and Tatum) because he just could not it himself. But it would have been much more interesting if, when unmasking her killer, Casey would have seen Stu instead of Billy, but oh well 🤷🏽♂️
@@jamesedleymusic Director and writer had different visions. Why would Wes Craven constantly throw out hints about the killer’s killing techniques, such as the strangling (Billy chokes Sid, while Stu doesn’t even when he has Sid pinned to the floor) and the way they hold the knife (Billy with one hand over his shoulder, Stu with two hands over his head)? Stu was supposed to kill Casey, but got knocked down with the phone. Billy chased her down and finished the job.
I love how ghostface acts all through out the movie, one of my favorite movies due to how interesting it becomes knowing there’s then 2 people being ghostface :)
Great video! You pointed out things I never noticed. And your breakdown of who was under the mask killing who, is amazing profiling! The details and nuances in this movie...I don't think people give Wes and the team enough credit!
I always thought Stu killed Tatum, because she hits the killer in the gut with the beer bottle, and Stu almost acted like his ribs hurt, more than just playing when Billy hit him lightly. Now that you bring up that he is hosting the party at the same time I can see it being Billy.
It doesn't make sense with the timeline. It was Stu's house. Everyone would have seen him gone. I also could assume he was entertaining the guests so noone would walk into the garage. Billy wasn't expected, so it would make sense for him to do it.
I agree. Since the killer goes back in the house after she dies. Why would Billy go back in the house and then run around the front ? Also Stu killed the principal since he doesn’t leave with Sid and Tatum. After inviting them to his party, he is seen going back in the schools direction.
@@kyleroberts1276 So Billy the killer snuck in the house after killing her. Then went back outside and ran to the front door ? As for the time line, time skips a lot in the movie.
What was always funny about the randy scene was that even though that ghostface was implied to be Stu, it's said that Skeet Ulrich was actually wearing the robe in that scene as a stand in for the ghostface actor.
You may be right about Stu (the character) being behind Randy alone after the party left, but it was actually the only time Skeet Ulrich (Billy) actually wore the ghost face costume in the movie.
in the opening scene, while casey is on the phone, it cuts and the camera pans down to the swing tied to the tree and its swaying. i always imagined one of them sitting on the swing while taunting her.
I think his kills should be the official cannon for this franchise. You have the most thought provoking ideas behind each kill that really are believable and reputable.
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why does this feel like dead meat you order from wish
Hahahaha wow 😂
@@ZackCherry im just pocking fun at you. the video was interesting :P
Lmfaooooooo they’re both good bro, one is kill counts and info, the other is just straight up crazy info!
Zack Cherry Do you think Billy planned on killing Tatum in the garage door or that was a last resort
@@Scoobynaturalzilla1989 probably just thinking on his toes
Whenever ghostface was doofy or clumsy, I knew it was Stu lol
Billy was a lot more calculated as Ghostface. Not as fast or frantic.
Hahaha, doofy! I see what you did there #deputydoofy
What about Tatums attack? That had to be Billy lol
@@nunka34ify Whenever Ghostface is really sadistic, it’s Billy.
Me too
Can't believe shaggy would be so evil
He only shown 1% of his true power
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@@InfernitBlu88 no lower
Lol
Solving those mysteries must've messed him up.
I completely agree with the theory that Billy killed Tatum. A lot of people think it was Stu, but Billy's eye gesture to Stu was always a dead give away.
And the mere fact that Stu was with the other students watching a movie
To me that look could just as easily be "Nice kill, dude!". Why I think it's Stu?
1) He wanted his ex dead, so fits his pattern
2) GF in the garage was teasing and being silly
3) Everyone was preoccupied with Gale's arrival, and the kill lasted a shorter time than the song playing at the party.
4) He took a beer bottle to the crotch; when Billy flicks at Stu's groin upon arriving to the party, Stu whinces in pain.
@@jennyrrrrgg yup Stu also killed and disemboweled Steve
@@Chuck_EL Also, Randy was always right and he yelled that he thought Stu killed Tatum, at the door when Sidney locks them out.
@@jennyrrrrgg it’s clearly billy who killed Tatum. Stu would’ve had to change super quick into the outfit and then change back and it makes sense that billy did it and showed up at the front door after
Stu was so clumsy, now that I’m older I finally understand why Billy stabbed him more than he should’ve at the end 🤣
Pretty sure Billy was always gonna kill Stu at the end or at least let him take the fall
That was true I was going to kill stu
11:18
Billy was also clumsy when he had the costume on
That's like a Ghostface trademark.
They are still humans, no one is a übermensch with or without the mask just a real person.
Put up a fight, fall all over the place and kill someone
@@MathiasEggimannno Stu was the clumsy one
@@marvingonzalez8586he only asked Stu to participate so he could have a fall guy if they got caught. Billy could be seen as the unwilling accomplice, while Stu was the "mastermind" behind the whole thing. In scream 3 when we find out Roman is the new ghostface, he admits to telling Billy to do this.
That opening scene was definitely a two man job. I refuse to believe Billy did it all by himself
I agree with you. Billy is only human and can't be in two places at once. He is not Freddy.
Jamie Fitz because of scream 3 we know Roman was involved. I find it more realistic that is was Roman and Billy that killed Casey so Stu could be with Tatum to have an alibi
still seems kinda weird that Roman was in Woodsboro at the time and didn’t bother killing Sydney then rather than wait for the 3rd film
@@JizzyF83 You have a point. Why did Roman wait too long to kill her?
Forget Roman. He's a retcon from part 3!
Of course both Billy and Stu both were present in the opening scene, that was a two - man job
All i can say is: nothing beats the original scream and original killers. Billy and Stu are masterminds and true psychos. Even tho Jill is also crazy af.
Jills good but Billy and Stu are top tier
Roman was the mastermind
@@yakno3493 Iffy retcon. Even so, Roman arguably initially only motivated Billy to kill Maureen. The events of the first Scream were still all Billy and Stu. I know, you could say that all this would have never happened without Roman. But then again, the same can be said about John Milton. Regardless, I don’t think this retcon did the original film any favors
Billy & Stu will always be in their own league. They are the OG’s and iconic for all the right reasons. But as unpopular as this opinion may be (such takes always are for some when it comes to giving credit to recent installments), I think in terms of brutality and overall sinister vibe, the latest GHOSTFACE is definitely up there. Amber & Richie perhaps don’t compare to Billy & Stu in terms of characterization (actually, I feel Amber rivals Stu), but they definitely defined the term psycho - especially Amber. Now Scream 6’s killer is looking even more vicious and *different*
Billy is the best
Stu is the craziest
Mickey is strongest
Mrs. Loomis is the most relatable
Roman is the smartest
Jill is everyone's favorite
Charlie is most forgettable
Richie is the stupidest
Amber is the most hated
Fun fact: Wes Craven actually had Skeet Ulrich use 1 hand on the knife, and Matthew Lillard use 2 hands on the knife to differentiate kills for the audience.
I didn't know that! Looks like ima go back and watch
That's covered in the video.
Not true. The ghostfaces were played by stuntmen almost entirely until they're unmasked. That's how all of Scream's ghostfaces are filmed. The actors themselves have even mentioned this.
@@Ep1cTV I think they just meant the representation of whichever actor is supposed to be in the costume. The guy in the video said it better than the comment tbh lol.
@@BrokenGodEnt I’ve never seen or heard anything about it actually being true though. Even in a Q&A last year, one of the stuntmen makes no mention of being directed to do anything specific for his ghostface. And we’re talking the opening sequence with Casey. So pivotal moments in the film. Even skeet has said he was never directed to hold or do anything specific to his ghostfaces movements once he’s been revealed as the killer.
What I love the most about Billy and Stu is something I don't see talked about all that much, but I just love how close these two were to each other before the reveal. All of the other killer pairings feel so disconnected from one another personally, at the very least before their reveal where the two killers hardly have any on screen interaction or hardly any indication that they're friends at all. In the original it's so believable that these two are just close friends who decide to go on a killing spree to fuel their own psychotic pleasure, while the other killer pairs just felt like the writers just said "Uh, you and you are gonna be the killers! Sure, why not."
Amber & Richie?
I think they should've just kept the murdering teens as their pull after the first one scream seems kinda pointless, same with texas chainsaw series
@@elicxceh I mean in comparison not as cool I mean scream one was an unprecedented movie like 2 killers then you figure out they are teens killing their friends just because really can't top that
@@elicxc Amber and Richie’s only sole interaction before their reveals was Amber making fun of Richie for him motive. There was zero indication of the two having even the slightest bit of friendship/relationship before their reveal, not to dissimilar to other ghostface duos like Mickey and Mrs Loomis, or Jill and Charlie.
I’ll give them credit for after their reveal, since they seem like the only ghostface duo that was mostly loyal to one another, but that’s my point. That’s only after the reveal. Amber could’ve easily been switched out for someone else like Liv, and nothing would’ve changed.
Liv and Amber as Ghostface now that would’ve been an interesting plot and hasn’t been done before.
“I’ve seen this movie ‘20 goddamn times’!” Nice Drew Barrymore reference from the beginning of Scream.
Wow. How'd you find out
No shit!
The first Scream is without a doubt my favorite movie ever, and you pointed out so many things I've never noticed. Makes me appreciate the movie even more with how many intricate details Wes put in it. Great video fam.
Thank you 😊 I definitely feel the same way about that you do. Such a great appreciation for Wes Craven and this movie.
Cool. Not my favorite movie ever but the first horror movie I ever saw
Let’s not forget the writer; Kevin Williamson. He put a lot of these details into the script too.
I watched this movie in middle school and none of my classmates could understand why I thought that it was so funny.
@@ZackCherry you're super cool. Thank you! I didn't notice that much details about Scream.
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for a second i was really confused like how would a verified channel not get acknowledged by now lmao
@@birdie394 On the Leprechaun kill count Dead Meat commented saying "SLOW DOWN" only me and a few others found the comment. This gives the same feeling.
omggg i used to watch your videos a lot
Stu-bie Stu-bie doo were coming after you
"Like zoinks Fred. I'm gonna kill you now."
I love the dynamic between Billy and Stu, Billy has a plan (which we later learn is retconned to be Romans plan) and Stu is literally only going along for the ride.
I don't think Stu really would have sought out revenge for being dumped, it was suggested and he liked the idea so went with it.
It's like later on in the finale act when Sydney gets the jump on the pair. Billy is acting out desperately because he's seeing his plan fall apart, a plan that has true meaning to him, whereas Stu acts out desperately because he's finally scared that this plan of his best friends isn't going to work and like he says "My mom and dad are gonna be so mad at me!"
Bro it wasn’t Roman’s plan, it was his Roman just had the plan to kill her mama they just got kill hungry
@@dyinbreed4800 literally, people need to remember this
@@dyinbreed4800 he Told Billy how to kill maureen and accused cotton and to have a complice
Naw bruh stu was the one with the plan he wanted to finish that shit like intended
They should remake the first scream all from billy and stu’s perspective
oh that would be so good & sinister
Omg, that's actually great idea! I'd love to see that :o
i would pay to see it!
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@@LayrtizParkProductions awesome!
I don’t know if anyone else caught this, I didn’t catch it until I had watched Scream with subtitles, but as Randy and Stu run up to the house trying to convince Syd that they’re not the killer, you can catch Stu sayin that Randy had “Killed Billy, he killed my Tatumn.” Stu shouldn’t know about Billy being “dead” because it’s not mentioned beforehand (Randy doesn’t mention anything about Billy and if Billy truly was helping Stu with everything then he wouldn’t have been upstairs for Randy to accidentally stumble across.)
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That's true, and one more thing, correct me if im wrong, but as far as i remmeber Stu was asking Sidney to give him the gun, while Randy wasn't, that kind of gave Stu away
i've also found it curious that stu goes to get more beer, presumably from the garage, and yet there wasn't a single mention of tatum being dead nor her body hanging from the cat door. i went into scream already knowing who the killers were, because i'd only just watched it recently and billy licking the fake blood off his fingers is a pretty well known scene, so maybe i was just over analyzing things, but i found that peculiar.
@@remyuk wait now that i think about it that would have been a dead giveaway how did i not notice it
@@remyuk Holy shit, how did I not realize that? If Stu was innocent, he would've told everyone Tatum was dead when he went to get more beers. Honestly, Stu actually gave quite a lot of what-should-be dead giveaways but we barely took notice of them on first watch and only caught them after already knowing he's the killer.
@@Robalexe the killer comes back to life for one last scare. Billy did but stu didn't
The attention to detail of even remembering the character's body language and keep it consistent throughout the movie is another reason why this movie is so iconic.
This movie was a masterpiece. Yeah it had faults but what it did for the horror genre can never be overstated.
It’s like Fast & Furious; the movies are not perfect, but they had kind of a revolutionary impact on the film industry as a whole and car culture, as with Scream and the slasher genre.
@@heavnxbound stop
Fast and furious what? Don't even mention that trash in the same sentence as Scream.
@@omariyon Well said lol. That was a bad comparison wtf
@@Aaliyahchannel2024 How is it trash?
Personally, I had always assumed that the Ghostface in the supermarket was another prankster
@ramandeep saini Same.
@ramandeep saini Nope.
@ramandeep saini Nope.
ramandeep saini that’s pretty interesting hmm
You’d think someone would notice him.
My theory is that the Ghostface in the grocery store was another prankster just like in the bathroom scene. I can't picture either of them taking the kind of risk in broad daylight. And as we saw earlier there were several students joking around wearing the Ghostface costume. Definitely a prankster
And for ppl reading this
Plz don’t say it’s Roman cause the writers haven’t thought him up into the script yet
I absolutely agree. Stu was too busy party-planning, Billy was likely putting the finishing touches on his plan. And while they are attention-seekers, all of their murders display very careful planning. If they were going to scare Sidney again before killing her and her Dad, they'd have tried to isolate her in a private area. The ones we see in the bathroom, Tatum's house and the grocery store I assume are all pranksters.
That actually makes more sense than it being Billy, Stu or Roman since none of them were that stupid.
@MetaVerse Man maybe they lost their nerve at the last minute? The ones who tried this at school got into major trouble (I think they were expelled) and it might have just dawned on them they could get into trouble with the police.
Word Hommie!
Finally, someone points out the logical reasoning behind Billy being Casey's killer.
I've been saying the same thing for years, and yet all I hear back is, "Casey recognised her killer, so it had to be Stu."
No shit she recognised him. Billy was Stu's best friend. Of course she knew who he was. More importantly, she'd be more surprised that it was Billy rather than Stu, given Stu's motive to hate her.
These same people always ignore the subtle nuances of the choking and the way the killer holds the knife. Wes Craven highlighted these things in the movie for a specific reason. It wasn't by accident.
Yep 100% agree
Didn’t the writer confirm it was Stu? I’ve read that a couple of times
@@joyastomato237 The writer is not the director. Once the script is sold, the writer has very little influence on what actually happens with the filming and editing process, unless a creative deal is struck where they are to be heavily involved (e.g. J.K. Rowling).
The director uses the script as a guide, but it’s really up to them what direction they take the movie in. If they want to change the ending or have a different interpretation of a character, there’s really not a lot the writer can do about it.
@@markrobinson9394 I 100% agree that is true, but why would that instantly invalidate the writer’s claim? It’s not like the director or anyone else said otherwise, it’s just imo, the “reveal” to Casey would be wayyyyy less impactful if it was just Billy. Think about it, Stu does NOT have the wit to be able to handle the phone calls. He’s the minion/sidekick who does the physical work for Billy most of the time. Plus Casey dumping Stu would be a good motive for Stu to begin his part in the killings to begin with.
@@joyastomato237 Less impactful, yes, but its the only thing that makes sense from a direction standpoint. Why firmly establish Billy as the killer who holds the knife in that way if you're going to have a scene of Stu in the mask that contradicts that?
We even saw the same knife handling from Billy's daughter Sam in the latest movie. It's supposed to be in the DNA.
I think overall some of the kills were a ploy by Billy to distract the police from looking at just Sidney's murder, so it wouldn't be as obvious that she was the main target. Also by killing Casey, Billy puts more suspicion on Stu. Billy would also probably play the part of the distressed lover, after Sidney would have been killed, making him seem more innocent. It's also interesting to point out that Billy comes to Sidney right after he strangles and murders Casey, possibly signifying that the act gave him some sort of sexual pleasure. This is also supported by the fact that Maureen Prescott was raped before she was killed. In my eyes Billy probably raped her and Stu just helped kill her but I'm not certain. Billy also seduces Sidney right before they enact their final plan to kill her, so ,to me, there's a connection. This movie has a lot of great subtexts and layers that can be interpreted in different ways based on real profiles of serial killers. It's really fascinating.
Stu murders casey not billy. Casey was his ex
I'm a bit conflicted over this interpretation. Yes, killing Casey would, if put between Billy or Stu, Stu would obviously have more motive, so I'd agree that Billy's trying to cover his bases. However the idea that Billy gets some sort of sexual gratification from killing isn't evident. I always assumed Billy visited Sidney prior to the murder of Casey, so that he and Stu could steal her father's phone. Billy kills other girls and does not rape them or masturbate. Plus, earlier in the movie the police stated that Sidney's mom was having an affair with Cotton (can't quite remember the name), and they'd had sex the night she was killed but that Cotton was drunk, and he may in fact have raped her. It's possible that Billy or Stu raped her, but I think a court might have just ruled that with how mangled her body was along with seminal fluids/signs of sexual acts, that Cotton raped and killed her. I don't personally believe either of the boys raped her. I think that him badgering Sidney about sex all the time is that he was disgusted with how her mother's promiscuity 'ruined' his life, and he wants her to become the same way to at least a small degree so he can justify the murder even more. Not to mention the whole 'don't have sex in a horror film' monologue that Randy gave, paired with Billy and Stu's motto of 'life's a movie, you just don't get to pick your genre... I don't know. I'm not apologizing for anything that Billy or Stu did, but this was how I understood events. I could be wrong ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@Tyreece190 Stu killed Steve, the murderer of Casey is Billy. The killing style says it alone
@@ameennasar2583 nope stu kills Casey billy was doing the phone calls
@@Tyreece190 Billy did the phone call. At this time, Stu killed Steve and break into the house. The very same time, Billy too entered the house. Wes have differentiated Billy and Stu's stabbing style. Billy strangles his victim at first and then go for a straight stab. But Stu is a slice and dice killer.
omg its amazing! i completely agree with your theory! i didn't notice the Stu looking himself in the mirror thing!
Right? The brilliance of Wes Craven. He probably started shooting the scene and thought: Matthew, why don't you just play with this mirror? Nobody will ever think anything of it.
Wait where was the mirror scene?
@@jefferybrooks3544 when Sidney, Tatum and Stu were talking at the lockers before getting pranked in the hallway.
@@ryanjeffreyy thanks! I do remember that scene. Looking for the bruise. For some reason I was thinking he looked at himself in the mirror in the costume.
I absolutely agree
Stu telling billy that randy saw him without his mask on, makes so much sense on why Billy shot randy when he revealed himself as the killer
Maybe it was more of a fuck you kinda thing lmao
when did stu tell billy
@@alimansouri4199 around the side of the house, not on film
@@alimansouri4199 Offscreen
@@UtterlyHooves why was it cut!?
You can tell Stu called Sid while Billy was in jail because he’s being a little more comical and goofy than Billy, who is more dark. Also Billy hits Stu in the nuts at the party when he shows up for payback, because Tatum hit him in the nuts with a beer bottle. So you know it was him. I’m wondering if the opening scene occurred after Billy visited Sidney though. Since the calls came from Neils phone, wouldn’t they have had to kidnapped him before Casey’s house?
Yeah that was Stu definitely. I feel like scream 1 might have the hardest “who killed who plot” cuz like it’s very understandable if Stu was the one who killed Casey and Steve cuz he was angry he got dumped. The way Casey died, to me that looks 97% billy. The fact he stabbed her in the shoulder, crushed larynx and then stabbed her to death. Like billy is a aggressive ass killer, like there’s no way that could have been Stu since he’s not that aggressive as billy.
@@violentpuncher tbh... in my opinion.... stu just wanted to have fun.... Billy gave him the idea
@@violentpuncher Stu wasn't angry he said they only dated for 2 seconds and it's anybody's guess who dumped who. Tatum confirmed that Stu was with her that night so that leaves Billy as the one who did Casey and Steve. Billy also killed the Principal, Tatum, and shot Randy. Billy was the darker character and by far the more vicious and vengeful of the 2. Look at how berserk he went on Stu for stabbing him in the wrong spot. Stu had to plead with Billy to stop it already.
@@josecalderon9487 Stu was absolutely angry. One of the best parts of Matthew and Jamie were, to me, their totally accurate representation of high school student's way of speaking. Stu was definitely UNDER exaggerating as he was trying to make the relationship seem as small possible. He was absolutely pissed that he got dumped and was lying about it.
@Eli Fossett - I thought Billy hit Stu when he appeared at the party, because he wasn't being subtle when he said, "talk or whatever". Your theory never occurred to me. Very interesting!
As a huge Scream fan who missed so much of these minor details, I am soooo intrigued. Thank you for this. Especially the sound that Stu made in the closet at Sidney’s house that decided to ignore. Also, when he chased her up the stairs and said, “easy, easy”. My mind was BLOWN 🤯
This was pretty good. I never noticed Stu looking at himself in the mirror. I knew for sure that. Stu was one of the killers because he never once questioned where Tatum was after she was killed at his party and she was supposed to be his girl.
As the guests were leaving to go see their principal hanging on the football goal post, Stu said to others that he thinks Casey bailed on him.
Stu killed Casey.
That’s clear by the fact that it was his Ex.
And at the fountain, Billy covered for Stu he didn’t look at him matter of factly; he looked at him as if Stu shouldn’t have said anything especially not that.
Stu says “I didn’t kill anybody.”
Then Billy says “Nobody said you did.”
In which Stu replies with “Thanks, buddy.”
Then when discussing the gutting of a human being, Stu darkly volunteered information, “You take a knife, and you slit ‘em from groin to sternum.”
In which again, Billy checks him.
“Hey, it’s called tact, you fuckrag.”
Billy didn’t kill Casey. Stu did and it’s evident by that. You completely read people incorrectly.
@@josecalderon9487 Casey was the first to die. You mean Tatum.
@@bradgong3357 Thank you for your dissertation. It really went a long way toward showing me how stupid I really am.
@@bradgong3357 Tatum said Stu was with her that night so it was Billy.
Also, when Billy gets "stabbed" in the bedroom, there are no rips in his shirt or anything. But Sid would be too panicked to actually notice that.
These are my favorite movies, so this was a good video to find.
Yes, it's obvious in hindsight
My friend noticed that when she first saw the movie and immediately suspected Billy of being involved
@@nunka34ify Billy was always an obvious suspect. The thing that threw us off-guard was the fact that there was two killers, this was actually innovative in 1996.
Now two killers in cahoots is a bona fide cliche in this franchise..
A single killer would be a good thing for the next movie.
@Danielle Lou Yes, both Billy and Stu clearly had "killer" tattooed across their foreheads. Randy was an obvious red herring.
But still, like I said, the fact that there were two killers was virtually unheard of in '96, so that twist threw us completely off-guard. They were both clear suspects, though.
@@Stigmatix666 or a cult would also be unexpecting but maybe a bit to much. I already think the killer is Billy's possible son.
I'm so glad you cleared up Casey's death, Tatum's death, and Dewey's attack. Those Ghostface scenes have been debated for decades lol
Ong lmao, Zach cherry is a very intelligent young man. Glad he posted this video, cuz now people won’t debate on it anymore lmaoo.
How can anybody with common sense not know who killed Tatum???
The Freaky Robber ikr, people who said it was Stu is just honestly retarded.
He’s actually wrong through as cleared by Wes craven. He did have a good theory. But it’s billy who was in the back who killed her boyfriend and it’s Stu that kills drew. Billy was in the back the entire time on the phone. Stu wasn’t on the phone that much as ghost face.
well. this isn’t really clearing anything up. it’s a fan creating theories based on what they’ve analyzed
I’ve never seen anyone point this out but I love the fact that the motive Billy & Stu came up with for Sidney’s father while planning to frame him for the murders is straight out of an 80s slasher lol. Very similar to Roy’s motive from Friday the 13th Part 5 for example. It emphasizes the point that they both were heavily desensitized to violence and movie/media obsessed and drew inspiration from the many horror films they’ve seen.
“What if your father snapped your mothers anniversary set him off and he went on a murder spree killing everyone”
the movie also makes fun of some 80’s horror movie stereotypes, so it could also be because of that
Steve’s Death- Stu
Casey’s Death- Billy
Sydney’s first attack- Stu
Bathroom attack- Prankster
Himbrey’s death- Billy
Tatum’s death- Billy
Billy’s fake death- Stu (obviously)
Kenny’s death- Stu
Dewey’s attack- Billy
I always had a hard time with Stu killing Steve. I felt like Billy was angry with Stu at the fountain scene when Stu said “Na, I didn’t kill anyone” and Billy responds “No one said you did.” Almost disappointed that Stu didn’t hold up his end of the bargain. But I also heard the other theory that Bill was basically telling Stu to STFU, so I understand that too.
All correct except from the bathroom being a prank. The Fonz was killed shortly after so it was clearly either Stu or Billy. My money is on Stu as Sidney has literally just argued with and ran away from Billy.
@@bobbybrown5196 At the fountain scene they establish that Casey dumped Stu so she could go out with Steve. Would make sense that Stu did it.
Well the guy who was wearing the ghost face costume was actually the actor for billy so that was billy
Stu killed everyone except Himbry. Stu likes to take his time, torture his victims before killing them. Billy wants to get the job done asap. When they reveal themselves to Sidney the way Stu says “Watch a few movies, take a few notes... it was fuuuun” shows his obsession for hunting down people. While Billy exacted revenge, Stu was actually the knife happy killer that’s why he always took his time and let the victims have a moment of reprieve before killing them.
1. Stu kills Casey & Steve (Casey dumped him for Steve). Billy was on the phone throughout - his impatience on the phone and lust for horror movies is proof.
2. Billy kills Himbry while Stu provides distraction. We can see Stu hurrying away after inviting the ladies. Billy got the job done asap without any bs.
3. Stu kills Tatum - Like mentioned above he played around before killing her. He also falls over a lot (a scene where he asks Tatum to get more beer he pretty much falls over the couch). His grunts in the garage are similar to those when he’s chasing Sidney after faking Billy’s death.
Most importantly - he sneaks back into the house while Billy shows up later and looks completely fresh (he probably showered after hanging Himbry)
Stu kills Kenny as we all know and he attacks Dewey as well as he loves to clean his knife after stabbing (which he does when he pulls out the knife from Dewey as he did for when he pretended to kill Billy).
There we have it guys !!
I’m pretty sure Stu did like only one phone call and that was when he tried to prove Billy was innocent.
Exactly! That version of the caller also seemed to be more taunting than calculated.
I also heard that Skeet Ulrich improvised, and told Wes after he'd done, the look at the door when he began the conversation with Sidney right before they slept together. He gave the door a hard look before he sat on the bed cuz that was where Stu would be coming in from.
That’s because the plan was for billy to have sex with cid. And Stu would come and kill her making it look like billy survived the attack.
My theory is the first attack on Sidney was to kill her but Billy and Stu realized they had lost control of the situation, and with the police showing up they pulled the bait and switch tactic out of necessity at the last minute to throw everyone off. However, Sidney was then put under supervision which is why they then killed the principal. The party was used to lure Sidney out but the principal's death I think was used for keeping the police busy more than deterring the other party guests. Bc at that point in the story Tatum seemed to be the only other intentional kill since she would've stayed behind with Sid no matter what. Dewey, Gale, Kenny, and Randy all jus happened to be the remaining few coincidentally.
they were both un the opening scene because remember when ghostface asked her to pick an exit? well both were covered because one was at each exit.
she was screwed either way.
There was only 1 killer and that was Billy. He told Casey there are 2 main doors to the house (which was the front door and the patio door), one of which she was next to. That was the patio where Steve got killed. Billy was outside the patio door because he threw a chair through the patio doors' large windows before she could guess, so she ran down the hallway to the kitchen and right before she snuck out through the kitchen's side door that Billy didn't know about, she sees him down the hallway running across the rooms. If Stu was there he would be at the main door waiting and she would've been cornered, but he wasn't there cause he was at Tatum's house and she confirmed this to Randy.
@@josecalderon9487 they both were there billy couldn’t of hung Casey’s body by himself so Stu and billy were both there
I remember when a fan asked both Skeet and Matthew “who killed who?” and they just laughed it off and claimed the fan was overthinking it. It’s clear from this video, that Wes directed them to handle their movements with the knife specifically to their character’s traits. It’s sad they didn’t even realise how much thought was put into it...
I guess they were holding onto his secrets for him.
Well it was a stunt guy in the suit,but all of this speaks to the detail stunt performers put into their performances that people often overlook. Good stunts really sell action.
AndreAsunte While that’s true, Matthew was actually ghostface in the scene with Randy. He puts both his arms up again to stab him just like his character did in Sidney’s house.
@@jorboii Yes,so did Skeet. They both got to be in that scene. They found out about each other at a convention .It was funny that they both didn't know for so long.
@@jorboii I've never seen that Lillard ever wore the costume (actually, I had seen specifically that he never donned it)
It was Ulrich in the scene with Randy
Im very impressed by the amount of detail they put into this movie. That Stu checking himself for bruises thing... I never knew.
Just cause this guy said it doesn’t mean that it’s true……. Jeezus
@@deadschooled what is the true?
Could just be Stu playing around with Tatum's mirror although in saying that why include it in the film
This breakdown is amazing. And seeing the move serval times I never noticed the small nuances in the way each killer held the knife. It made sense to have Stu be more clumsy and goofy because of his personality and have Billy be more calculated and cold. Also I never noticed Stu checking the mirror for bruises, I just thought it was a goofy thing he was doing. And I always thought that this is one of the best slasher films ever because of the detail in the film and the plot twist of two killers. Wes Craven is truly a masterful horror director
I’m pretty sure hes just checking the mirror because Tatum just beat him in the forehead with a lollipop
If he was checking because of Sidney , he would’ve had plenty of time before coming to school to do it
@@sepultura7771 When Tatum hit with the lollipop, do you think it really hurt that much. He felt the pain because of the attacks he got on his head because of his victims
Finally someone got that the bathroom scene was just a prank! Everytime I see a Scream video try to say that was Billy or Stu, it immediately brings down the quality of their timeline for me. They basically spell it out that it was prankster because Principal Hembry is seen raging at two students, one of whom was the one who ran in the hall and the other of whom scared Sidney in the bathroom. Can't help but wonder what Billy and Stu thought of that. I feel like they'd either be pleased that Sidney is being made to feel more unsafe, even by stuff that's not of their doing, or angry that they didn't think of it.
Or it could’ve been Roman
Stu probably liked it because he said it felt like Christmas. Billy was probably more concerned that it could mess with their plans.
I think it's more important than just "pranksters". I agree it was neither of the two, and Roman wasn't a thing yet.
It's the big tell that sets up Two killers.
Everyone is focused on the idea of a singular killer, that no one is thinking otherwise. The scene Winkler is the tell.
I would never notice that was a prank. For me, that scene was always an absurd and so unrealistic for me
I always thought this but kept hearing theories about stu or billy in the bathroom
5:31: another clue: Billy briefly shows us his true personality with the look on his face. The brilliance of Craven and/or Ulrich at work!
Never noticed that!
Billy probably wanted to kill Sidney then and there but restrained himself because he wanted to mess with her head and torment her which he does later by first having Stu pretend to stab him after he and Sidney have sex faking his death. Then after the reveal Billy and Stu planned to make her watch them frame her dad for the murders, kill him then after that kill her.
@@sonia.angel401 ?
The look of awkwardness? There’s two moments in the film where Billy breaks his character and it’s when he’s with Stu: When he tells Stu “Nobody said you did” out side of the school and as he’s walking away from Randy at the video store. This scene isn’t one of them.
@@07foxmulder Awkwardness no. True personality yes.
According to a behind the scenes, the only time an actor was in costume was when Ghostface is behind Randy, and it was Skeet Ulrich who asked Craven if he could do it just that time. Of course, every other scene is a stunt double
That kinda sucks but I guess it just had to be done.
Neve Campbell when she jumps out of the closet and hits Billy with the umbrella
At a convention Mathew said he also did it because Skeet got to do it. Lol!
How come the stunt double got to do most of the scenes as ghostface? Is it something to do with insurence/legal issues?
@@MrJorge006 that’s exactly why. The insurance you would have to take out on the actors to pull off certain stunts would cost a fortune. It’s easier and cheaper to just pay a stuntman to do it. Plus stuntmen/women would be able to do it all in less takes as compared to an untrained actor.
I feel like Rodger L. Jackson has a lengthy phone call with the actors playing the killer. He has a way of replicating their phonetic mannerisms perfectly. A true master of his craft.
I think he said he wasn't given that opportunity in the last film or films. It probably has to do with Wes's brillance.
If you note the mannerisms in that opening scene I believe they both took turns on the phone. Because like you said, Billy has a more suave and menacing voice whereas Stu's voice retains that excited glee. I always hear Stu after Casey is threatened and you hear that raspy laugh and then "Can you handle that Blondie???"
Everyone’s a suspect
💯
Idk Sydney looking kinda sus
There are 2 imposter among them
Roaming 0 Ight let’s her vote her out
I believe you meant “everybody’s a suspect.”
I feel that for the Casey kill, the writer intended for it to be Stu, but the Wes directed it to be Billy
Exactly 💯
Yeah I feel like Stu is the one doing most of the killing as you can tell by his runs in the end and how he falls over shit
I’ve been making theories all over the years and I KNOW that for the initiation of their “master plan” and being the 1st time they got to play “ cat & mouse” with one of the targets (Casey Becker) they were both there 🔪
@@dakotajones674 But it's not Stu he holds the knife different from Billy lol
Alexander 1996 it may not be Stu in the beginning but throughout the whole movie it’s most definitely stu and I feel like Wes wants you to know that while he chases syd in the finale
Honestly even though Stu is goofy he’s honestly a terrifying ghostface
I think thats what makes him even MORE scary after the reveal. The first time I watched it I sort of expected that Billy was the killer because of his voice(sounded a lot like the voice changer) but Stu? I didn’t think that the lanky goofball would be capable of killing anyone.
Wow I never thought about Stu being there when Billy came to visit Sidney through the window.
Makes sense tho, right?
@@ZackCherry Yeah it does. Great video.
I never thought of Stu Hiding in sids closet when she came.home from school but this makes so much sense! Especially when you hear the suspense music noise for a split second when she opens it and when she hears a creek noise coming from there! How I never clocked on to that I don't know!
Billy killed Casey. Just Billy
@@Facelessman254 I didn’t ever think about that, either. I assumed whoever it was snuck in through a window or something while she was sleeping. Not camped out for a few hours.
Okay Scream team, I need you to weigh in. Where do you think Billy and Stu were during every scene in which Ghostface appears during the movie?
Plz do this for the rest of the movies plz and also youtube won’t let me turn on notifications but I’m a adult and listed as one
Please do Scream 2. Very interesting video. Good work!
I always wondered who did what
But what is interesting is the school bathroom scene
Original third film I’ve read two what I could of been and Kevin’s original film was like his series the killing so early in the film it showed the impact stu and Billy’s actions were causing to influence a following
Wish we got the original version of the 3rd even though I like the 3rd film
Love that stu’s house was a real country house used, no sets for the inside, every room was really the inside! Seend the vid of the guy who gets permission to take us through the entire house? Its awesome
Do scream 2
I knew I wasn’t the only one who noticed the killers different mannerisms.
I don't hear him saying EASY when running up the steps, i just hear grunting but it does sound like Stu
Same
Just a fun thought: I think Stu will be our killer again in Scream 5. I think about this because- PAUSE!
Update: Just saw SCREAM 5 and I still loved it even if Stu wasn’t in it.
Stu was originally going to be the main villain of Scream 3. He would be in prison and orchestrating attacks in high schools by his followers that he’d gained after the first one. This plot was scrapped after Columbine happened, but the serial killer cult led by a man in prison was still used by Kevin Williamson in his show The Following.
maybe bro
Billy got shot in the HEAD, so I highly doubt they “saved” him.
Not gonna happen 100%. The main rule of every whodunit movie is that you see all the suspects from the very beginning. In Stu's case his face can be revealed only in the very end and that twist will tell nothing to the general audiences, apart from a relatively small fan base.
@@yadanada4106 it was a 9mm round.
Normal police response time is ideally 5/6 minutes.
Tatum’s house was in the country side so maybe inside of 15/20 minutes.
Billy’s definitely dead dead.
Yes Billy definitely killed Casey. I know she was intended to be killed by Stu but the chase was so chaotic that it was a matter of who got to her first.
Billy is a sick fuck lmao. It only makes sense that Stu killed Steve and billy killed Casey. I always thought as a kid that sindey’s first attack was billy, but it definitely wasn’t for sure.
No, lol. Stu killed Casey. Confirmed by Kevin Williamson himself.
@@marcoA95 Honestly, I got an idea that Kevin said who KILLED her and when killer raised hand with knife she was still alive. Billy probably said "Hey" to Stu so he came to him and gutted her.
@@Ad-fu6tj Casey's death, in my opinion, came when the phone rang busy to his mother. There came her death. At that moment Casey was being dragged by Ghostface (Stuart) towards the tree. Only afterwards was she gutted and hanged with Billy's help. Seriously, after an official tweet from the film's writer explicitly assigning the murder to Stuart(never denied by anyone)those who still believe Billy did it, I consider them Scream terrapaths.
@@marcoA95 Ok, thanks
I always find it funny when Bill throws the phone at Stu at the end of the movie 😂
"You hit me with the phone DICK"
Such a great moment, and completely accidental and then improved by Matthew with the reaction.
Stu- " My mom and dad are gonna be so mad at me!" 😂.
I'm feeling a little woozy here!!!
Lionel Hutz “you get the gun, and I’ll untie pops ok?? NOW” I always wanted an analysis on Billy’s behavior seeing as he was a covert sociopath
I agree with all of these except that I think that Tatum’s killer was definitely Stu. When she goes into the garage, the door is locked behind her from inside the house. The only way it could have been Billy is if he was already hiding in the garage. We don’t get a good view of the layout, but from what we do see, it’s pretty small; there doesn’t seem to be anywhere Billy could have hid without being obvious. But what really seals the deal for me that it was Stu is that, after Tatum is killed by the garage door, ghostface exits back through the house. First, it wouldn’t make sense for Billy to do this. He’s not supposed to be at the party yet. Second, it means the door’s unlocked now, so either Stu was waiting behind the door to unlock it for Billy to let him in the house for some reason even though he shows up at the front door the next scene, or Stu unlocked it so he could go in to kill Tatum. It makes more sense that: Stu hid his costume in a room near the garage, slipped it on real quick, killed her, went back into the house, took off the costume, and went back to the party. All in all, he would only be gone for a few minutes, which is plenty of time to have no one notice he was missing. The knowing look between Stu and Billy could mean anything, it’s not necessarily Billy confirming that Tatum’s dead. It could just be Billy checking in with Stu that everything’s still on track with their plan. Not to mention, the overall clumsiness and sadistic playfulness of ghostface in that scene really feels more like Stu.
Anyway, thanks for attending my most self indulgent TED talk
I agree
Tatum's ghostface had a headtilt, was clumsy and played around with his victim. Billy doesnt do that... hes a one and done type of guy.
It was Stu, case closed. If it were Billy then Tatum would have been killed immediately like the prinicipal was
Just to add.
Billy does head tilts too but theyre always psychotic or intimate whilst Stus are more comical (usually with his tongue sticking out).
Also Billy would have no reason to taunt Tatum. Unlike Stu, she meant nothing to him
Also I have a feeling that Stu and Billy would kinda agree both would get to kill their respective girlfriends. Like I can imagine that Stu would have been jealous if Billy got to kill both of them.
@@veloc.raptor9136 dude seriously it was billy tatum insulted him you do know that right!?
I always thought I was so clever knowing that Stu was the one chasing Sidney in her house. But I never thought out Neil’s kidnapping based on his clothes. You are great man!
Thanks Rob 😊 I'm sure there's more to be discovered just yet. It's the movie that keeps on giving.
I don't think he's saying "Easy, easy." He's just grunting as he runs.
Same
Kind of agree. I hear it, but it feels like one of those “which do you hear” Facebook videos.
@@AsGoodAsItGetsMusic The grunts are done by a looping group that also did things like "See you later, Sid" ADR when Neve gets off the school bus (because she was the only one on there so they threw in voices so it wouldn't be obvious.) There's no reason they'd have a random voice actor say Stu's line or that they'd loop in Matthew Lillard's take in a previous scene (Rose hitting him with the lollipop seemed ad lib and his "Easy" would be, too.) It's just twisting random grunting sounds and trying to bend them to sound like words.
@@AsGoodAsItGetsMusic was shaggy the killer before meet scooby
My problem with this is, wouldn't Sidney hear that, turn around and be like "Stu?..." lol other than that, I love all of this uncovered detail. -Jesse
God the writing in this film was genius. Every scene, act and line was masterfully produced
Also the reason why Stu doesnt kill Sidney (or stab her more specifically) when he has the chance at 6:50 is because he had a thing for her so he was probably considering.... the R word
Billy does a great job calculating and plotting his kills, but fails to not look like a psychopath 🙂👍
Irony
Well, doesn't that make this more realistic and creepier.
@@jackkrauss NO
Billy probably had Stu do the majority of the work so he could blame it all on him if they got caught.
Tbh I think it’s more plausible that Stu locks the door while Billy was already in the garage
First off I dig the freaking analyzations. Bravo seriously. However, Scream just became that much more scary when you explained how Billy and Stu did their planning. Especially when you talked about how they already got into Sidney's house before she came home from school and how Stu was probably hiding in her closet. Very scary but very awesome.
To be quite honest, I always wondered how either Billy or Stu ended up in her closet? My guess is that they hid in their when she was tricked into walking outside into her porch to “investigate a strange noise”.
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I always felt the Ghostface stalking during the pre party scenes were never intended to be taken at face value. The movie hadn’t revealed who the killers were yet and it was more symbolic that it was someone following and stalking them but not necessarily in costume as obviously the actors couldn’t be shown yet. And it was also another nod to Halloween.
6:54 I have always noticed ghostface saying “easy, easy” as he was chasing Sidney up the stairs. I always thought it was the stunt actor playing ghostface and was added in by accident. Like how in scream 2 when Cici was thrown off the balcony you can see a crew member’s head pop up behind the balcony in the lower right corner of the screen. (they removed it on the new Blu-ray release but if you have the dvd from way back you’ll spot it). Never noticed that Stu said it in school though! Pretty good attention to detail there.
Idk if it's just me but i just hear him grunting and not saying easy. it seems like a stretch.
What is so good about Billy & Stu both being Ghostface is that it explains why Ghostface kept seeming to get up quickly after being knocked out or suffering an injury that would slow them down.
or how he was both hectic (Stu) and calculating (Billy). Ghostface was scary because he was unpredictable. He was unpredictable because he was two different people working together
Love this! And Stu wouldn’t have to break in before Sidney got home. He prob had neil’s keys! Awesome analysis! 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
You're right!
Six months late, but using stolen keys is still breaking in
@@armouredjester1622 right but the commenter specified "break in before Sidney got home." She's not saying they didn't break in just the the time that they did.
The first scene with Syd and Billy they play a cover of "Fear the reaper" the lyrics of the song give the identity away.
Skeet said in an interview that he actually wore the costume for the scene where he walks behind Randy at the party.
True. Wes Craven says it on the commentary track. But only because they typically have a stunt actor playing ghostface. This doesn't confirm it was Billy though. Skeet just wanted to wear the costume and Wes still directed him as if it were Stu.
I love how they are real friends, they never killed their own gfs, instead they swapped them, what a friendship ;)
Bros before hoes 😂
This movie has to be my favorite horror movie of all time. That opening is probably one of the greatest ever
Wow, I hadn't noticed too many of these interesting details you pointed out. I especially liked the knife handling difference. It was all there!
Fun Fact: Lilliard and Ulrich dawned the costume in front of the camera once and it was the same scene. The scene where ghostface is behind Randy and then gets distracted. They both filmed it, but Craven went with the Skeet take. Confirmed by Skeet and Mathew at really multiple conventions.
@Alonzo Reyes the footage in the film is Skeet but other than interviews with Mathew and Skeet i havent seen any bts
@Random The actors confirmed it at many panels at many horror conventions
If it's from the same thing I saw, I recall them saying Ulrich was the one that creeps up behind Randy for the kill and Lillard is the one running away to go after Sidney upon hearing her scream
So then they both would have been in the final product
@Random mate the actors themselves have said that it was Skeet. Gotta love people that are this confidently wrong.
@@silas0757 it’s not that deep…
I honestly believe it was Stu on the phone talking to Casey Becker. Pay close attention to the questions he was asking her. He asked her did she have a bf knowing she did then proceeds as if he’s interested in asking her out to reveal if she’s a cheater or not to find out if she cheated on him with Steve. He also already knew all the facts on her favorite scary movies so he use tactics to scheme her into getting all the questions wrong.
I think you missed the part where she hung up on ghostface 3 times in a row. nobody said it was the same person each time.
It was clearly the same person each time
Skeet Ulrich he played as the killer like when he was behind Randy when Randy was sitting on the couch that was the first and only time he ever got to wear the costume behind the scenes can tell you that.
I am aware of that. But Wes still directed him in a specific way because he knew what he was doing.
Actually it was Matthew Lillard in the GF costume behind Randy.
@@Joker_JAK yes because Skeet Ulrich is too short and it would have looked silly^^
Yes that's what Wes said on the commentary (It was actually Skeet in costume behind Randy) although it being Stu makes more sense since Billy is supposed to be playing dead upstairs.
@@Joker_JAK Wes Craven said on commentary that it was actually Skeet in the costume for that scene. Even though it made more sense to be Stu.
Awesome video man. 👍
Thank you 😊
Zack Cherry np man. I love anything Scream related, and you obviously have done your home work. Highly interesting to a mega fan. Check this out dude: I filmed a Scream fan film at Stu’s actual house last year. It’s sorta my take on the beginning to Scream 5, hinting that Stu is not dead. ruclips.net/video/KjFvVsviQsA/видео.html
@@BeingScared hey i know you.
I feel like Sidney was meant to be killed by Stu that night when she was waiting for Tatum. It was like , billy killed Casey for Stus revenge on Casey and Stu was going to kill Sidney for billy, but when Sidney escaped , they had to make it the house party being the night they kill Sidney. But then again , that’s just my opinion :)
I always assumed Stu was meant to kill both Steve and Casey himself with Billy merely directing traffic as a sort of "reward" for Stu helping him kill Sidney's mom a year prior. When Casey began to put up a big fight and nearly escaped, Billy had to intervene and stop her himself. He likely gave the final touches to Stu since Casey was still barely alive while being dragged away. Stu being more impulsive probably would have killed Sidney in the first attack if she didn't stop his downward stab.
@@clarencegutsy7309 the thing is they admitted they was going to kill cases either way. So I believe one was at the front door and the other at the back door. I thi k Billy was the mastermind and needed full control. Especially for the first murder in the spree. This one had to give them full control and Billy seemed like the one who would have that motive. So I think he would of wanted some of the action. But contradicting myself he might of felt full control getting stu to do everything.
Nope, Billy killed Maureen Prescot, Steve, Casey, the Principal, and Tatum. Stu killed Kenny, and stabbed Dewey. Tatum said Stu was with her that night. His alibi is legit because in the video store, Randy said to Stu that Billy is the only suspect in the senseless bloodbath (Steve & Casey's murders) and he believes Billy is the killer. Clearly Billy is the mastermind, the one in charge, and the more vicious and vengeful of the 2.
I think billy was going to set stu up and have him take the fall if his original plan didn't work
@@josecalderon9487 Don't know how long Stu was with her that night
This is what happened. Caseys chase was so chaotic that it was a matter of who got to her first. Stu got knocked out by the phone so Billy had to go get her. Stabbing and strangling is Billys MO so Billy stabbed, strangled, and wounded Casey. He could've finished her off but he didn't because she was meant for Stu. After wounding her Billy brought her to Stu where Stu finished her off by gutting (his MO) her. So yes Stu did kill Casey but not in a way that we all thought he did.
As for recognizong the killer. She was shocked that it was a classmate and her ex's bestfriend. By then she figured out there were two killers so she knew Stu was involved.
Another detail. When Billy decided to strangle her, he was strangling her till she passes out where he can bring her to Stu so he can kill her.
When she was being dragged she you can see she mainly got stabbed on the sides. Meaning that Billy wounded her, brought her to Stu, and Stu delivered the fatal blow.
I like that except I enjoy the idea of stu being the man with the plan
I also think Billy did all the calls considering his character is a big homage to both Black Christmas and Halloween. Makes obscene calls like the Billy in Black Christmas, shows a fixation with strangling victims before stabbing them to death like Myers in Halloween.
Also notice that Billy's mask is different than Stu's during the first two times he's seen as Ghostface. There's a real world reason for this, as they hadn't secured the rights to the Funworld outfit when those two scenes were filmed, but it's interesting to note that the two times you see a clearly different Ghostface mask are both Billy.
The mask that Billy chases Casey with is clearly different than the one Stu has inside the house, and Stu is never seen with a mask like that, meaning it could technically serve as an early hint that there are two Ghostfaces.
Interesting. I know about the different masks, but I never really looked too closely at the differences as they all look the same to me.
@@ZackCherry you think the knb looks the same as the funworld one?
The scene were Tatum died always confused me. Most garage doors can only lift up a specific amount, therefore the garage door should never have lifted her off the ground.
how would a car get in then? if it doesn't lift off the ground?
@@moonlightmemories959 I think they mean the door can lift a specific amount of weight and she was too heavy for it to pick her up
this was in the 90s, when they weren't ass technical
7:30 my theory for that attack is they planned for Billy to show up and get apprehended and be locked in jail so Stu can do another attack later and clear Billy as a suspect because he has a rock solid alibi of being locked in a jail cell surrounded by cops. Pretty smart if thats the case.
I always assumed Stu killed Tatum just by the way he interacts with her, but your timeline probably makes a lot more sense for it to be Billy, but I just feel like their interaction a lot more intimate when she does the “can I be the helpless victim” shtick with him. Either way, awesome vid, obsessed with this movie! 🥰
I think Billy killed Tatum in the garage. Notice Billy and Stu exchanging looks right afterwards? Billy: "I took care of her"..
Besides, Stu was busy entertaining his party guests
The interaction bit doesn't matter, at first, she thought it was Randy in the costume and that's why she interacted like that with him. They were friends, although maybe not very close
I always thought Stu killed Tatum as well, how was Billy able to get into the house without being seen by anyone or when he went back into the house after? All of Stu's guests were drunk and partying, I think he would have been able to slip away for 10 or so minutes to kill her, no one noticed Tatum missing the rest of the party except for Sydney. Also how would Billy know that Tatum would go into the garage alone without anyone else at that exact moment? I also thought the look Billy gives Stu when he arrives was signaling that he had killed Mr.Himbry and had him at the football field, Stu had to get ready for the party and Billy had a lot more time on his hands to put him there himself. It wasn't too long later the call came informing everyone about Himbry and I think that Stu called from the kitchen using the voice changer and Randy was too drunk enough to ask any questions about who was on the phone and also he did answer someone else's house phone.
Also and I just realized this but it's pretty messed up that during this whole party with all those people there including a cop (Dewey) that Sydney's dad was there tied up and gagged the whole time!!!!
@@Adrianne519 I second this!! Because the killer goes back inside the house after killing Tatum. Not out the garage door. It had to be Stu! Not billy.
Actually, you can hear Billy’s voice when he groans, or falls....
This is PHENOMENAL man! I absolutely love how detailed, logical, and deeply thought out this is! You have a keen eye and great attention to detail. I’ve always wanted to know which guy killed who (it’s always been a mystery, but not anymore)! Now I can watch the movie knowing when it’s Billy or Stu as Ghostface. You’re a genius! Can’t wait to watch your other videos. I subscribed! You’re awesome and you’d be great at writing screenplays for horror films! 😃
Excellent breakdowns. Never noticed the "easy easy", the mirror or many other things. Your theories are very solid. Also watched the first murder breakdown which was really well done. Nice work and I subbed.
I never heard it either! It just sounded like heavy breathing or something. I really had to listen to that scene! That's so interesting!
It's funny. After watching each movie in the series the first time, on subsequent viewings, my family (mainly one of my sisters) and I would try to figure out who killed/attacked who. If my memory serves me correctly, we did settle on basically what you described in this video. We did think Stu may have been the one in the bathroom because there's no real sense of time, but thinking back, it is most likely to be a prankster for the same reasons you mentioned.
"I've seen that movie 20 GD times!" And still never put some of that together. Like the "easy easy" & mirror thing, and the bathroom ghost face just being one of the pranksters. And Stu being in the closet the whole time. Guess I'm not as observant as I thought 😄 Great content!
Impossible to find this movie scary after watching scary movie.
It's not really meant to be scary, it's a satire. In fact, they were going to call it 'Scary Movie', but the name had been taken.
@@filmgeekstudios4393 Thats what he means. Because of the Satire of Scary Movie, the Scream movies aren't as scary. I just did a scream athon with my wife and we were trying to pick out what parts scary movie was making fun of. Like how the stairs in Stu's house GO ON FOREVER!!!!
@Midnight Movie Man nah bruh scream 🗑 like you
@National Sports Entertainment it's not irrational to be afraid of a horror movie, when you get immersed in a story it can feel like you are experiencing it too, hence why jump scares and feeling tensed and scared happens so often when watching horror movies.
I appreciate this movie so much more. People say it’s “cheesy” or “corny” but even if you didn’t know the intricate details such as the ones stated in this video, it is still an amazing ICONIC film. Truly amazing how they managed to keep track of the killers and came up with how to plan out their murders. And ya just gotta love Skeet Ulrich and Matthew Lillard !!!🖤🖤🖤
This analysis is great and I mostly agree. The simplest way to explain it is that Billy and Stu girlfriend swap when it comes to the murders. That's why Billy kills Casey first to show Stu how it's done and when Stu's turn comes around (taking care of Sydney), he botches it. I think they were definitely trying to kill her in that first attack but Stu wasn't as confident as Billy.
That was just because of circumstance. It wasn't planned that way.
no way
I'm gonna go ahead and give stu more credit, stu was actually crazier than billy was for one thing and even if you like to be open about it doesn't make you a bad killer, I mean look at jigsaw he let everyone know what he was doing and killed the people that tried to stop him so being loud like stu was isn't a draw back, his issue was the writing like there's no logical reason for stu to be on billys dick like he was if he couldve dug deep into that anger he couldve came out on top I mean fuck they both said they got their plan from some horror slashers if anything stu was more of a killer than billy was billy just wanted to get a not even revenge revenge cuz like it wasn't even his relationship or sidneys it was his parents stu didn't even know why billy was doing it which was a stupid reason, stu just loved to kill and like billy himself says "a killer with no motive is scarier than a movtive" ol dumbass contradicts himself in the very next sentence by giving a motive of revenge at least stu can keep it consistent
I think Stu killed Steve as revenge, and Billy killed both of Stu's love interests (Casey and Tatum) because he just could not it himself. But it would have been much more interesting if, when unmasking her killer, Casey would have seen Stu instead of Billy, but oh well 🤷🏽♂️
It has been confirmed by Kevin Williamson that Stu killed Casey.
@@jamesedleymusic REALLY?
@@DanDhaniels Yep. You can also tell because Stu always holds the knife with a two handed grip.
@@jamesedleymusic Director and writer had different visions. Why would Wes Craven constantly throw out hints about the killer’s killing techniques, such as the strangling (Billy chokes Sid, while Stu doesn’t even when he has Sid pinned to the floor) and the way they hold the knife (Billy with one hand over his shoulder, Stu with two hands over his head)?
Stu was supposed to kill Casey, but got knocked down with the phone. Billy chased her down and finished the job.
@@markrobinson9394 In the 4 months between me posting this comment and now, I stopped giving a shit about who killed who.
I love how ghostface acts all through out the movie, one of my favorite movies due to how interesting it becomes knowing there’s then 2 people being ghostface :)
Another thing is Billy lets his victims have a minute or second before killing em, mainly by strangling
Great video! You pointed out things I never noticed. And your breakdown of who was under the mask killing who, is amazing profiling! The details and nuances in this movie...I don't think people give Wes and the team enough credit!
I absolutely love the enthusiasm, this type of content means so much to the real Scream fans 👏🏽👏🏻👏🏿😱
I always thought Stu killed Tatum, because she hits the killer in the gut with the beer bottle, and Stu almost acted like his ribs hurt, more than just playing when Billy hit him lightly. Now that you bring up that he is hosting the party at the same time I can see it being Billy.
It doesn't make sense with the timeline. It was Stu's house. Everyone would have seen him gone. I also could assume he was entertaining the guests so noone would walk into the garage. Billy wasn't expected, so it would make sense for him to do it.
I agree. Since the killer goes back in the house after she dies. Why would Billy go back in the house and then run around the front ?
Also Stu killed the principal since he doesn’t leave with Sid and Tatum. After inviting them to his party, he is seen going back in the schools direction.
@@kyleroberts1276 So Billy the killer snuck in the house after killing her. Then went back outside and ran to the front door ?
As for the time line, time skips a lot in the movie.
What was always funny about the randy scene was that even though that ghostface was implied to be Stu, it's said that Skeet Ulrich was actually wearing the robe in that scene as a stand in for the ghostface actor.
You may be right about Stu (the character) being behind Randy alone after the party left, but it was actually the only time Skeet Ulrich (Billy) actually wore the ghost face costume in the movie.
I agree with everything!!! Just figuring out about the bathroom scene and I’m shocked
Thank you 😊
I do not hear the word “easy” with Stu running up the stairs...
It’s just grunting. There are no words. He does it the entire movie.
in the opening scene, while casey is on the phone, it cuts and the camera pans down to the swing tied to the tree and its swaying.
i always imagined one of them sitting on the swing while taunting her.
Wasn’t that a joke in Scary Movie that he was just chilling outside whilst on the phone?
I think his kills should be the official cannon for this franchise. You have the most thought provoking ideas behind each kill that really are believable and reputable.