Someone Actually Built This "Helicopter" And It Was Terrible... SO I MADE ONE!
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
- Welcome to another episode of Trailmakers! Today I am attempting to recreate one of the earliest attempts at a helicopter-style flying vehicle known as the Sky Car Helicopter. It was essentially a cone that flapped up and down in an attempt to catch the air and pull the car upwards. It didn't seem capable of much more than bouncing... Maybe I can get better results!
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3:22 The spinning was probably in part designed to ensure that the flaps close properly and regularly and are not as prone to failing to external factors
That is true. They are attached to "free spinning bearings" and without the turning motion they could randomly close on either side creating gaps and possibly other problems. Turning ensures they always closes in the same direction.
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I was saying that the spinning was causing the flaps to rotate or flap closer to the closing point causing the flaps to go into the correct place. It was a good idea, but horrible execution this car was.
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I dont see any stops for the flaps to not close the other way around, so probably yeah
Wassup scrapman, try this one "Hafner Rotabuggy"
I would recommend this to Scrapman. However, this one looks like an upgraded version of the one on the video.
@@locke_ytb yea but they have different ways on flying
Is it the flying jeep?
@@ginarizkiamelia1305 ye
Please do this, its freaking hilariousilly amazing
Scrapman, I think the entire purpose of the spinning is not to resemble a helicopter but allow the flaps to consistently close 100%. Otherwise, the flaps will fling to the wrong side.
But I think that's not what the creator thought.
Came to comment exactly this. For consistent closing, had to have spin, since they were all free floating without a stop on them.
Exactly.
The idea is this: the propeller construction goes up, with the flaps 'open' letting air through, when it goes down, he flaps will 'close' adding a lot of resistance, generating some lift. It spins so that the existent drag would encourage the flaps to close faster. Which means that the propeller construction doesnt need to spin fast at all, but he oscillation have to be quite long and very rapid for it to function properly. Theoretically this would work. If you disregarded a lot of things. It was probably a take on an ornithopter
Oh! Its a wheeled-air-jellyfish
Its like using the reed valve instead of a prop
i think using sails would probably be better for this then wings
In theory: It's easier just to use a umbrella and when it moves up the umbrella closes, when it flaps down the umbrella opens
But it's not gonna work anyway
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Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
Its a car strapped with some propellers
the inventor really just made a giant loud fan
😂
Its a flying robotic squid with it's sole purpose being to get back in the water as fast as possible.
the slow motion parts are actualy very mesmerizing, please more of that :D
The spinning is for the flaps. When it flaps down the flaps have a chance of going either direction which would couse less lift but If the spinning part is spinning then the flaps can go one direction.
Thaaaank you!!!! I really like his videos, but….hmmmmm…..
This isn’t meant to mick on him, but come on..
Entertaining videos though!
There's also the likelihood of the flaps just mostly staying vertical on the downstroke; not really going strongly in one direction or the other.
This might stray from the purpose of real life recreations, but I'm actually really curious if there's a way to make this thing work. The concept clearly works, which is actually surprising, and I fully believe that you might be able to use the same method of catching air to generate lift in something different. Do you think you could make another try at this, but forget about making it look like the original entirely, using the concept in a different shape to make an unorthodox yet somehow functional flyer?
I agree and the one thing I noticed that hindered its flight is the angling of the entire vehicle. If it stays perfectly upright it can actually either hover or slowly gain altitude.
The problem I noticed is that the lower part of the vechicle is too light. The wing-cone is the heaviest part so when pistons move most of this movement goes into the chassis.
@@mixer0014 Yeah, he tried to fix that with weights, but I think he could've found a better way if he hadn't constricted himself with the shape of the vehicle. He had to, as this was a copy real life creation video, which is great content on its own, but it does make the creation much worse than what it could be if he had free reign over the shape of the craft.
If the cone was angled the other way (up), the shape would actually self-stabilize the vehicle in the upright position.
Let me give two examples with vehicles that are tilted to the right and drifting to the right. (On any vehicle where the lift is stronger than the drag, tilting the direction of the lift to the right will naturally accelerate you to the right.)
First, imagine the (original) vehicle with the cone angled down. The forwards blades (the right ones) are at a steeper downwards angle (because the vehicle is tilted right), so they catch more of the sideways flow of air and get pushed down harder than the rear wings. That means the vehicle will increase it's tilt and you get into a feedback loop.
Now imagine the same rightward tilt and rightward motion, but for a vehicle with a cone tilted upwards. Now, the rear wings will be at a steeper angle and catch more of the sideways air flow, eventually stabilizing you.
You may still get into an oscillation if the stabilization comes after too much of a time lag, or you may run into the problem of helicopters with ducted fans, which naturally self stabilize so much that their maximum sideways tilt allows them to reach only walking speed, but at least it has a chance of working.
To be honest, the way to make it work would be to put it in water. This is already pretty much exactly how jellyfish swim. It's obviously capable of producing thrust, the problem being the amount of thrust is less than its weight.
I feel like a second video on this, where you do what ever it takes to make it work, would be awesome.
Hey ScrapMan been watching you for years and I just wanted you to know that I love all of your videos
This wonderful creation featured in the opening to my favourite childhood movie: Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines. And this reminds me of another failed flying machine which features in that movie: the Passat Ornithopter. Yes, you have built ornithopters before, but the Passat Ornithopter was special. It had four wings and a cigar shaped body and that's it. Steering was done through the second pair of wings and the first pair flapped up and down to provide thrust. The Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome where it is exhibited nowadays calls it "quite possibly the most aerodynamically challenged aircraft in their collection".
It's hard to find footage of it (besides watching the movie and the website of said Aerodrome) but I really suggest you check it out. It might be quite the challenge to get it to fly.
Everybody gangsta till Scrapman starts building these contraptions in real life.
15:35 the polka sync to bounce ratio is Perfection!!!
It might be interesting to try to make something actually fly with this design. Maybe 4 or 6 of those umbrellas working off cycle of one another. It would be cool to see.
I just wanted to know that in those dark times, your videos are so relaxing... thanks and keep on rockin'...
you know he doesn't care right? everybody says this and it means nothing anymore
@@pixy6239 pretty sure it does
well, i does mean nothing
“it doesn’t work less bad” best quote of the year
Hello! Back with another comment, I would love to see you make another version of this! What I have in mind would essentially be the same vehicle but with something that might make it fly! I think that if you added a second copy of the wing mechanism underneath the pistons spinning in the opposite direction/opening and closing at the opposite time of the top propeller it might actually work, the reason I believe this is because when you initially start the machine it pushes off the ground and that's where the momentum seems to come from, if you have this opposite set of blades it should act as drag to keep the machine in place as it pushes the top set of blades upwards and it would counter the torque keeping the vehicle more stable. Keep making great videos!
I have a good challenge for you. Try to make a helicopter using vertically aligned rotation. (so the "rotors" are upright like bike wheels). I'd imagine they would look like steamboat paddle wheels, and you could vary the angle of the "paddles" to produce lift in the right direction.
basically the cyclotech VTOL?
@@apersunthathasaridiculousl1890 Similar, but it looks like the cyclotech uses fixed blades (I'm not familiar with it.)
i can appreciate the thought behind it, because it somewhat makes sense for someone who would go so far to build it, but it just fails miserably
i think you could've inverted the cone angle into sort of ""dihedral wings"" to fix the up-side down problem
Ah, the 1920s invention "suicide umbrella on a flat platform with wheels" unorthodox name, but perfect description of functionality. Works as intended 10/10 would buy
Fascinating! The way that it moves almost reminds me of a jelly fish or squid- which makes me wonder: could something like this work well under water? (With a bit of tweaking of course)
Alternatively, what would happen if in place of wings/flaps, you were able to use tendrils instead? Not sure how feasible that would be in game, but it's an interesting idea 🤔
Well this was a glorious semi success haha! I think this mechanism could be used to recreate the festo ai jellyfish with sails which would be pretty awesome!
Hello Scrapman you have been my favourite RUclipsr for 3 years now and you made covid way easier. I hope you have a great day. The new series is great by the way.
I think the original machine was only a test for the flap assembly, it was probably never meant as a working design, just a test for one part, which failed IRL but worked in this video.
I'm actually really liking this series keep it up!!
In the actual “skycar” the “propellers” are mainly in the ground displacing the weight when it flaps
Thanks for building it! Great achiefments with the Sky Car!
I'm exiceted whats up next! 😊
Scrapman rewriting history on the Daily! But sometimes a bad idea is just that, a bad idea.
You should have done this in ScrapMechanic. With the thing jerking up and down the characters rubber like physics would have improved it by 100%
The pilot of the sky car has the resilience of the scrap mechanic character at this point
When the pilot is rag dolling like the character in Scrap Mechanics LOL
I love how you went trough on probably the same thinking as the inventor. It is better, it is almost working, only if i add something else it could work :D
Next idea:
Phillip [Horatio F.] Flying machine 1904, 20 wing multiplane
This series is amazing keep it up bro : D
my theory as to why the cone was spun is because it would help the flaps stay more horizontal, so on the down stroke, the flaps have much less distance to travel in order to close and capture air. the flaps are probably also able to rotate by 180 degrees, so the spinning guarantees that each flap closes the proper direction. also, if there were no spin, there would also be much less air encouraging the flaps to close, like dropping paper vertical to the ground, the paper will fall and cut right through before *eventually* rotating enough to then become horizontal.
10:00 Sooooo, basically, Scrapman made Flubber but red? Genuinely looks like them when is shocked by something, and it bounces around, wich is a plus
I'd love to see you revisit these and see what other people have made.
Maybe make these a 2 parter and see what other people come up with?
Put the challenge out.
I think it rotates to make all flaps close in one side, and it liftoff by this up-down motion
such a great old timey feel to this episode thank you scrap man.
I believe spinning was probably a way to get gyroscopic stability
For those don't know what that is, it's how a top or a spinner stays up right when you spin it.
Well interesting concept...
My best guess is that this is Biologically inspired since Birds feathers have a similar effect as those flaps, when moving the wings up the feathers let the air pass through, closing and shoving all the air downwards when flapping the wing. That lowers the energy needed to raise the wings again, not generating lift...
The Wings themselves generate lift through forward movement an by pushing air downward...
Not by rotating in a circle XD
Thank you for your effort at creating it in Trailmakers and giving some entertainment and knowledge to us all ^^
Please keep it up Scrapman
You should build the War Machine from WW1, also could you upload all of your recreating creations to the workshop?
Idk if you had seen my comment your Tantrum video, but I did suggest that you build this. Either way, thank you for another entertaining video about how historic machines were terrible XD
I love how this series is like "history woth scrapman"
the reason that the og designs "copter" was turning was to make all the flaps open/close in 1 way, instead of all of them rotating in a random direction
When the music makes you feel like ur in a circuits tent ( sorry for bar English lmao)
Hey Scrapman, you should try to make a Blackbird Vehicle in Trailmakers: High Seas. I would love to see you try that… day 2
It's like trying to fly by opening and closing an umbrella really quickly. It's so funny.
Circular shapes like cylinders can produce lift, this is called the “Magnus Effect”, in short, the surface of the object is able to “grab” the air and push the air downwards via spinning sideways, this in turn produces lift.
I bet adding a helicopter servo to counteract the rotation would add a ton of lift... wouldn't help the control any though lol
Gunna retry my bid for Thomas Moy’s “Aerial Steamer”.
Secondarily; Alexandre Goupil’s Sesquiplane
Keep up the good work buddy! Love this stuff
You should Try 2 things. A second set above spinning in the opposite direction to counteract the spinning of the car, and attach two more sets in a triangle to prevent it from tipping over.
I think you need a gyroscopic counter torque stabilizer. Something heavy underneath that's spinning opposite, so that you don't turn. That'd let you hover, I think.
My gosh this is funny, I actually was thinking of suggesting this weird Sky Car for you to build, but thought "Eh, it's such a dumb design, ScrapMan couldn't possibly make it work." but here we are lol...
Haha, have any other ideas you wanted to recommend, but thought he might not do? Sounds like you're thinking along the same lines as he is. Nice wakfu picture, too
and then they removed the "fan" (propeller? umbrella??) and the hydraulic lowrider was born
(also your is almost hypnotizing, looks like a jellyfish swimming)
Back in the day of the creation if they managed to get it working the way scrapman did, that would have been considered a huge success.
Scrap forgot his own slogan “it doesn’t have to work well, it just has to work.”-scrap man 2020
I appreciate the newer "goofy creation" music. Haven't heard any new themes from your channel for a while, so the different sounding music rang out to my ears.
Hi there Scrapman rather than the concept of this flying car, I think this inventor thought of the Slinky effect. You know with gravity that if you stretched a slinky from top to bottom at a vertical angle then drop it you get the effect of the top needing to come down first in order for the bottom to fall, meaning that it is in a temporary state of zero motion which is keeping it up in the air until the top comes down. So I theorized that he might have been thinking of that but trying to do the reverse and continuously keep zero motion but use the top to push upward.
Sorry for the long text, I just like explaining something that might be funny or interesting if not at all.
“It still doesn’t work. But it doesn’t work, less bad” -Scrapman 2022
This is the equivalent of the bad piggies powered umbrella
YES! This is what i was waiting (and asking) for!
the “SO I MADE ONE” gets me every time
scrapman should create his own strange inventions for the next age scrapman
Hi persun
The blade movements makes me think of a jellyfish. Which does move through the water. So I can see where the theory of this flying comes from. However the problem is that though the blades provide some lift, the piston pushes the vehicle back down with grater force. Thus no flight can be achieved.
But the inventor is lucky he did not get off the ground. Because He be in a world of hurt as it spins, topples, and crashes.
Your edits have been better recently. well,more entertainment for me!
I think this is a fun one. A one-man personal helicopter from the US Army called Lackner HZ-1 Aerocycle
It's crazy to see that the primary reason this didn't actually gain major altitude is the fact the 'propeller' wasn't light enough. If the gyration and pumping effect was minimized, that extra bit of energy would've given it the ability to gain altitude
Six minutes of Scrapman roasting some inventor from the past for his naivety. *Brilliant*
Also, I noticed that once the "car" part starts to spin at the same speed of the blades it starts to lose altitude. Placing a second spinning servo on the other end of the pistons to counter the torque could give some extra lift and stabilize the car
I'd love to see you to try and make this ridiculous thing viable. Like double up the "rotors" and have them spin opposite directions to counter the torque, add a tail boom with pitch and yaw control. It'd be a complete mess, but should work!
Also, I'm reminded how awesome it is that we today can model stuff like this to see if it works or improve it. Like, we have more prototyping power in our recreational games than folks had in (semi-)serious research back then.
Scrap man you should try to Make an Ekranoplan in trailmakers. I think it would prove to be a interesting project
Hi Scrapman, there is a really cool application called "cheat engine". With that you can slow down and speed up almost every game. maybe you could experiment with slow motion in scrap mechanic or other games
I would love to see you revisit this one and try to improve it by adding a counter spinning servo and some kind of stability for air control if you can keep it in the air long enough to matter.
You should try a second propeller attached underneath the car, moving down when the top one moves up. Not sure what the wheels would look like in that case, but at least the torque and piston motions should cancel each other out, and make the thing a lot more controllable. Maybe something where it "takes off" facing the side, then you turn vertical once in the air? Or have it where it can tilt up, once it's in position to be ready to take off, so it has a "drive" mode, and a helicopter mode?
@Scrapman, there is an car that can glide called the "air-car" and its a modern car with wings you should try making and maybe make it even fly like adding thrusters onto it! edit: realized aircar can fly
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@@liamtgreat ok
the music was so perfect for the vehicle movement lmaooo
I love how you accelerated the music when you used the mod.
Music name : Cat Circus by Doug Maxwell from Media Right Productions
Scrap an: it’s hard to make cones in the game
Me: -_- there are uh… ya know what nvm
the idea of the rotation is that the flaps even though not fully vertical can cut through the air with minimal resistance while the fully horizontally rotated flaps will have the same resistance while spinning resulting is "maximum lift" and minimum downforce. I cannot confirm that this was the creators point with the rotation but that's at least what it would resemble.
But i don't think he considered the unstable nature of this and the extreme torque from the huge flaps up top...
With the slow-mo it kinda reminds me of a jellyfish. You think a contraption like this could work underwater?
I wonder what the music that you used when you used slow motion when the vehicle was already painted was, it sounded majestic i wanna know :O
The Best Part is scrapman Roasting it for 6 Minutes Straight
I love this series!
This thing probably didn't lift well because most of the air "grabbed" by the flaps, was pushed again on the vehicle itself
"Perhaps a little yeast would make it rise!" My guy got boiled
The slow mod really help the game make the physics more accurately
the turbine spins so the fins can close, if the fins are strait up/down, and its not spinning, when it goes up the fins would not close, but if it spins the fin will catch the air and close much much faster and effectively. just want to say I didn't even have to look that up, as soon as you asked why do they spin, i thunked real hard, and new almost instantly.
Dude you should try building the AVE Mizar, a literally flying car. It actually had 2 test flights, the first one resulted in a controlled crash after a wing came loose. The second one the wing came off again and unfortunately killed its inventor, who was flying in it, and the other occupant
Anyone else notice the new music? I kinda like it, it's pretty good.
You should upload those to the workshop and do some sort of a viewer
contest to see who can make it better. BTW you should build the Cierva
C.4
The spin was because on the upstroke, while the flaps where angled, they'd catch the air and push down while it lifted, far less than the pull on the down stroke but theoretically enough to compensate for the moment of liftlessness.
the reason the thing acts more like a parachute is because of a thing called autorotation and is actually used in modern helicopters today if the engine were to fail
it's a fun thing to learn about and helps you understand a little more about helicopters
great Video !
taking old vehicles and trying to rebuilt them in trailmakers is a great idea !
if you need some suggestions, here are 4 planes i would love to see replicated by you,
it would be awesome if you would try them out !
1.Horten H9
2.Messerschmitt Me 153 Komet
3.Heinkel He 112-V5
4.Dornier Do 335 "Pfeil"
I like how the most successful one the land strider was the hardest for you to replicate
without the car part, it's like scrapman made a jellyfish
using this mechanism, make a squid or a jelly fish, when the creation went inside the water, it feels like it could work
To be clear, this doesn't work on the Two Main "Principals" of Flight and Avionics:
• The Bernoulli Explanation (Pressure Differential) - The Air Taking a Longer Path Over a Wing or Blade meets up with the Air taking a much Shorter Path under a wing or blade at roughly the same time, Creating a Pressure Differential, thus making the Plane Rise, Creating Lift.
• The Newtonian Explanation (Air Deflection) - The Air caught under the Wing is Deflected Downwards, Creating an upward Force that fights with the force of Gravity until the power of that Force exceeds the Force of Gravity, Creating Lift.
(Regardless of whether or not the "Principals" above are actually true, the main consensus to creating lift is there has to be a Wing or Blade to catch Air, and Air has to flow towards it)
Here are the Sky Car's Flaws:
• Bernoulli - There is nothing on the Blades or their Design creating a Difference in Air Pressure, thus rendering this Contraption Flawed on the Bernoulli Front.
• Newtonian - There is no Stern, Rigid Angle of attack for the Blades to Deflect Air Downwards, thus rendering this Contraption Flawed on the Newtonian Front.
Educational Learning With the RUclips Comments Section Lads and Gents! :)
The reason for the spin was to have the flaps close on the downward pull, they wouldn't have closed fully if it wasn't spinning
In an alternate universe:
Scrap man: I can’t understand how this ‘helicopter’ thing would work, at least we have our trusty sky car to take us places
“hey it’s!… i don’t know?”
-scrapman