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I just took the MSF class this weekend and I would highly recommend that everyone take it. I'm 23 years old, had never been on anything other than a bicycle, and they taught me everything. They teach you the most important stuff to keep you alive and it was a great experience. Now I'm looking for a 300cc starter bike to get riding.
My advice as a new rider. DO NOT listen to your friends and just go out and buy a 600+ cc bike if you've never ridden before. Get a 250: 1: way lighter, (street bikes are heavier than you think) 2: closer to the ground 3: the want to go 130mph+ is restricted (no new rider needs to go that fast so getting a 250 means you can't, even if you wanted to) 4: you can't flip the bike or pop the wheel with an accidental over blip of the throttle 5: no one on the street knows the difference, they just see a cool crotch rocket. (don't get a bigger bike just to "look cool" or "say you have one") 6: WAY CHEAPER, not only to purchase one, but the insurance as well. almost always under $300 per year 7: they RE-sell very well, as long as its clean you can guarantee you'll get your money back if not more. Ive even been riding dirt bikes for years and I'm glad i got a 250 to start. Even if you do end up wanting to sell it in 3 months who cares, you'll make the money back and i promise you'll love the experience on it no matter what. A lot of people prefer 250's anyway cuz there smaller more maneuverable and you can hit corners just as fast as 600's if not better if your a GOOD rider.
Jacob Henderson I've been racing dirtbikes since I was 5, so I was already very familiar with motorcycles. I just bought a cbr 600 rr last month, and I'm glad I didn't get a 250. I feel like the 600 is the perfect bike to start on if you have 2 wheel/clutch experience. The 600's are actually surprisingly maneuverable, when you're flying down the highway at 250kmph switching from lane to lane, it feels like your floating, soo smooth!:p
Jacob Henderson 1.) With the exception of the CBR 250 newer 200cc and 300cc motorcycles are creeping up there with 600cc motorcycles. It's best to use the weight issue sparingly. 2.) Most 250s are identical in Height compared to their higher CC counterparts.. So you don't even have a valid reason here.3.) Region specific4.) You can wheelie and pop a 250..5.) 250s are normally Parallel Twins... Bike being Narrow, having ridiculous thin tires, and the weed whacker sound will all be dead give away in motorcyclist eyes... As for people who don't ride.. they won't notice one bit.6.) Very true7.) this is true also.
Jacob Henderson I'm getting a R6 and I've never rode a bike before.. But the point is why I won' get a 250, because once you spend 2k-4k for a Ninja, and you become good at riding? what happens next? You sell it for less than what you paid, you have to spend more time looking for a bigger ,bike. In my opion get a 600, not a 1000 tho. GSX-R or a R6 would be good, i mean learn to ride it, get the feel for it, like do it with dan, it goes 2mph by it's self when in 1st gear.. just go around neighborhood. Why waste money on 250 and then get bored of the speed... and trust me your going to have a hell of a time trying to get your ninja to catch up to highway speeds.. Takes about 1-4 mins to get it to 40mph..
Glaxzor Scopes I think you're exaggerating the speed and time there just a little bit. I will list my issues with the 250cc bikes. They are cheap commuter bikes... Nothing more .. Nothing less. That being said that means they come with crappy Brakes, cheap tires, soft suspension, and power delivery suitable for gas savings and around town. These are all the EXACT opposite of what you'll find on a 600cc/1000cc bike. My suggestion would be to find a race Prepped 250.. if not that..650 twin or a larger engine/older street fighter. For instance, my z1000 has issues beating most Supersport 600cc bikes.
I'm from Ohio also, I just took the MSF BRC this past weekend. I excelled in the two day practice areas and failed miserably on the test. I was pretty defeated and honestly thought of giving up and selling my bike a couple times. I have a hard time with all the controls and cornering. I have no problem shifting but the throttle and braking have me intimidated. Thanks for posting this video and giving me some confidence back to get out there and trying it again.
You make some great points! I bought a 600cc bike as my "first" bike. Although, I'm a returning rider so I wasn't a total noob. I started riding dirt bikes at age 12, and had a YSR50 a few years later. Then I went almost 20 years w/o riding. I picked up a FZ6R (I looked at the Ninja 650 as well) which is not too powerful (68 HP), but enough to get you in trouble!
Started out on a bmw k1200r sport. I'm fine, just have a healthy fear of your bike. It doesn't matter if its a 250cc or a 1000cc it can still kill you.
+Gabriel Trujillo how did you totaled the bike? I started on the cbr600rr very awesome bike by the way just about 3 weeks ago with zero riding experience but i approach it with extreme caution, practice common sense, and I ride like everybody on the road is trying to get me. I think it's all coming down to the the person. Like it doesn't mater if you start on a 250 or 600 if you don't have enough common sense and just riding around like you're driving a car all carefree and singing and crap shit gonna escalate real quick.
I am a brand new rider, and I am learning a lot by watching this channel. I knew that I could not handle a big bike, so I bought a Honda CB110 to learn on here in the Philippines. I at least had some common sense. I wish there were MSF classes here in the Philippines, but sadly there are none for foreigners like me...unless you want to pay 5 times the amount for the same class that a local Filipino would pay. CycleCruza.... Please keep these videos coming. I need all the help I can get, and I love the way you present yourself, your videos, and your lesson material.
Pissed off at ya CC! You missed the number one core factor as why most squids don't make it past the 3 year mark. Every thing you said is true in this video but you missed the number one main reason why they fail. "IMPROPER MOTIVES". It always starts with the motive. All squids that I have seen so far have improper motives to ride. They aren't riding to become great riders, they aren't riding to learn about motorcycles. They are riding to bee "seen" and they are riding to "fit in" somehow. Its always a improper mindset. That is why the don't make it. A guy that is going to make it always approaches motorcycling with the attitude of " I am going to learn all I can about this scene and I am going learn to be among the BEST riders. I am going to do this shit RIGHT!" but that takes dedication and discipline. Those guys don't have discipline nor dedications. They approach this sport as "DEES BITCHES GONNA SEE ME ROOLLLING!" They jump on a random big ass bike like a Busa or a GSXR1000 and just ride around hoping some chick notices them. That is the wrong answer. Sometimes these guys get good enough to go kinda fast for a while until that bike or the road writes a check that he cant cash and that is the end of him. In his final seconds he realizes how fast 70mph actually is. Yeah "them bitches" saw him rolling... but those same bitches also saw him get crumpled up on the side of the road, too. NUMBER ONE KILLER: "Improper motives"
If you're going to ride like an idiot, which we all do at some stage, at least do it roads that you know. Can't go too fast for a corner or straight, if you already know what's ahead. It's why I choose when I ride stupidly. But I am, by far, no squid. I want to race, that is my dream. To be able to race sport bikes on a track, and take my bike to its limit. Improper motives is one thing. Choosing where you act stupid, for that adrenaline rush, is another.
despite what alot of commets may say about you cyclecruza, have to admit i agree with your way of thinking. i love that you preach starting on small bikes and not do wheelies and wear protective gear. i must say that you have a very level headed and reasonable approach to riding. i have followed the traditional way also of 50cc,70cc,125,150,200,250 and just recently baught a old cbr 600 f3 that i tuned myself- and im happy to have crawled before running the the crazy cbr(125hp)!
+Pro Scoot Small bikes are fun, I went back to a 250 for a second bike. I got a WR250r now and sold my cbr600rr. I love this little bike for off-road and tooling around town. However, my cbr1000rr is still a blast to ride as well.
I'm a girl, 5"2, I started with a CB190R, it has been great, it's short, it's light and it's beautiful. I've never ride a cycle so I had a slow start because I needed to learn how to balance.... I had no issues at all with this bike, took me like 3 days to get balance.
My very first bike was a 2008 Suzuki Blvd c109r and I had no problem with it. Yes it was an extremely heavy bike and so getting use to the weight was something but I only put it on its side once and have not had problems since. I would say the MSF course is something that can help because I took that before buying my bike and it helped me when I did get my bike.
I had a moped when I was young. Took my lessons on the ninja 650 and bought a 600cc 4 cylinder Honda hornet. In Europe it is not allowed to drive without a license (you have to pass exams both on control of your vehicle and driving on the road to get that license).
the arm pain , back pain and lots of generally physical pain that i personally experienced when i started riding for the first couple of months ! even though on the 250 i slip alot because i didn't know the sequence of braking on bike . or when i upgraded my bike , in the first week when i wasn't 100% in control of a my new bigger bike , a lady friend of mine asked me if she can experience riding a supersport on my back , so i said jump on ( like 007 agent ) , and i just sideslip the bike because i couldn't control the extra weight on my back sit ! definitely agreed with cyclecruza , just gain and gain experience , and don't try to be the tough guy . that's it . as i always say , RIDE SAFE , STAY TUNED .
Growing up riding quads and dirtbikes I had no real reason to take the MSF class and I'm glad I did. I learned some good tips, and also I did it to lower my insurance premium.
Ive ridden minibikes and small dirtbikes a lot growing up but i still started with a Ninja 250 for my first bike, not because i couldnt ride or corner or balance but because i wasnt used to having to deal with shifting gears so it helped me build my confidence.
I learned to ride on a Honda Cbf600f back in driving school, but my first motorcycle I bought was a Kawasaki Ninja 300, just because in my opinion this is the perfect bike to learn how to take corners the right way without worrying about giving it too much throttle.
Loving your blog CC. Great golf analogy. New golfers ( like myself) always want the Tiger Woods Nike bazooka clubs for a grand+, but complain or no time to take lessons or practice.
bike when i got my 06 yamaha 600r I had never rode anything on 2 wheels. I took the motorcycle safety course and then went straight to the rode and did ok. I think it's all about how you respect the bike and use common sense. The knowledge i've gotten from the safety course still helps today. Now i'm about to buy a 1000
i did the MSF and started on a 950cc cruiser that is 540lbs. never touched anything motorized on 2 wheels before. it was really easy to learn on and my confidence built up real fast. but its probably different with sport bikes
I started on an 07 r6 as my first street bike but I also grew up on dirtbikes, 4wheelers etc. I definitely think new riders who have never ridden anything other than a bicycle should start on a 250. Unfortunately sometimes that doesn't even matter. I have a friend who just bought a brand new 2014 ninja 300 and dropped it 4 times within the first month but his 5th drop was an actual wreck. Was doing 80 and didn't lean enough into a turn and by the time he hit the brakes it was too late. Slammed into the curb and he went flying and his bike got smashed up pretty damn good! And of course he wears no gear besides a helmet so he got some nice road rash and a dislocated shoulder. I've spent countless time teaching him how to ride because he refuses to take the msf course. Some people just aren't meant to be on bikes I think...
This has been some great advice, I'm currently 17 and trying to convince my parents to let me get a bike. I will be taking an endorsement class and hopefully getting a bike sometime in the near future. My parents are completely against getting a bike as they are very scared of the dangers of riding a bike, but IMO you should never let anyone come between a goal that you have. Be confident and if all else fails just wait until your 18 to buy yourself a bike. Either way I appreciate videos like this and you do a great job. Thanks man, keep doing what your doing and I'll check out that playlist :)
Whats up Cruza! I'm a new rider with a 2013 cbr250r and i been watching all your motoblogs since then. Very informative and hella funny as well! right on brotha, sick CBR! Keep on doing what your doing. Safe riding and I'll check you out later from San Francisco California! Peace
I started on a 1989 Kawasaki 454LTD. Had my mate bring it home for me. Then I spent about a week in the parking lot of the apartment complex where I lived, learning the clutch, creeping the bike forward, basically clutchwalking around the lot. Then working on u turning and figure eighting in empty sections of parkingspots. Never took a single motorcycle lesson. It was some time before I took it to work and back, and even longer before I hit the interstate. I had a regular driver's licence so I knew about traffic, just had to learn the bike. It can be done, you just have to be patient and feel comfortable clutching and gearing before you go into traffic. It's like Cruza says, start small. Like skiing, start with small hills before you go for the olympics. (Don't care for golfing. ;) )
Took msf course and my first bike was a Suzuki dr350. Best decision I ever made. You don't need a ton of power to have fun. Start small and grow when your experience allows. Besides, on a dirt bike you can get a loud exhaust and that gives you the presence of a larger bike. Nothing sounds better than an uncorked 4 stroke thumper.
TY for your videos CC! Much appreciated! Just bought my first bike ever today, a Honda CBR 600 F-fuckin'-3 from '97. I'm super pleased with my purchase. Peace!
I'm a new rider as of this year bought first street bike 2003 Suzuki GSX-R 750 been awesome and great starter bike. and I'm 6'4 and handle it no problem... no need for smaller bike to start you will just end up selling it half way threw the summer...
I started on My new Yamaha R6 3 months ago and have been riding with it every day to work / university I m fine with it its rly up to the rider, if you have absolutely no experience but are mature enough and respect the bike I think you can even start learning on a sportbike but thats just my opinion
Good points CC! Also, in my opinion, it is not just the ccs that one should consider as a new rider, but also the kind of bike. Sport bikes tend to be lighter in general, so respecting the throttle is top priority. Cruiser bikes like mine, tend to be heavier, but even at 1100ccs, you don't have to worry about pullin that front wheel up into the air straight off the line.
The first time I was on two wheels was on my friends VStrom 650. A couple months later I saw your video on why to get a CBR600 and thats what I have now :D
First bike this year: 2012 Ninja 650 (It's got about 65 hp). I is a bit on the heavy side and that's something i've gotten used too. Great low-end power, handles great and I've had no major incidents after 3,000 miles. My wife got a CBR300R and she thinks she's outgrowing it already;no biggie. We'll trade it in if need be. She's thinking Honda 650f...
It's worth doing a driving license beforehand. That way you get a practical exercise of the Highway Code; don't think you don't need it, its (understatement) essential to learn it in order to stay safe and legal on the road. Also, you get to practise driving on the road, the road conditions, how other people behave and if you make a mistake, either your instructor will use the emergency brake or you crash being surrounded by a metal cage. It's also good to have a back-up vehicle for icy conditions and a car is the best option. You also get to practise throttle control, clutch control etc. and all you have to do when you get on a motorcycle is to swap the gear and clutch controls. You will already know how a clutch behaves and all you need to do is get used to controlling it with your hand and the new biting point. What's nice is that in the UK, there is no way you can start riding as a beginner on a super sport. You have to pass the Compulsory Basic Training (they cover how to control a bike, practise turning, emergency stop etc. and if the instructor thinks you're ready you get a certificate and you can ride) in order to start riding on motorcycles with a maximum of 125cc engine size. You then have to pass a theory test similar to a theory test for a car and a practical exam. Then you can apply for a higher riding license and pass more exams. You have to work your way through the bike sizes and learn new skills before you can ride bigger size bikes.
@ 5'5", first bike was KZ1000 LTD, then 750 Katana, then '91 GSXR1100, recently Aprilia RSVR Factory. out of all those bikes, I never rode them to their limits. RSVR I did. but that limit was freaking high. so now i'm looking at Duke 390 RC. yes, lower power but the limit can be achieved easily (7/10's) limit for fun, handling, looks and occasional track day. easy. Ride safe brother.
my first bike is my yamaha FZ-07, never had accident learned how to ride it exiting the store, before i had a scooter. I ride it a lot with friend whith years of experience, they see me ride fine, so, i think it depends on your personality, and habilities, but as you said, for most people...
I started off on a KX 125 back in the 90s when I was in my teens and didn't touch a motorcycle until a few years ago in my 30s. I jumped on a Harley cruiser and riding that thing was different (because it was so heavy) but it was still 2nd nature riding it many years later. I owe that to years of riding ATV's with manual shift/clutches, dirt bikes, and all the off-roading. Starting off brand new a heavy street bike would probably be too intimidating and there's no margin of error - tip it beyond the point of no return and it's going down hard.
CycleCruza, thanks a lot for sharing your experience. I find that a lot of not only riders but drivers in general lack that concept of defensive driving. I also want to thank you for the inspiration in that and many other videos. I finally got my first bike (and I am 30 y.o. now) and it's Ninja 650R partially due to your advice. The thing is AWESOME. It has some power but I can handle it. It's a shame that I live in the North of Russia so I can't ride more than 6 months a year but damn, it's totally worth it. Best of luck on the road to you bro and to all of folks out there. Stay safe and enjoy your riding. =)
in finland, this is pretty much fixed with Age Restriction: first bike you can get and what most teens get is a 50cc max 4kw at the age of 15 at the age of 16 if you wanna do some highway riding or just get a little more power you can get a 125cc max 11kw bike. once you turn 18 you get a bit more options: any two wheel with max power of 35kw but not a twice as powerful bike thats been but down to 35kw and when you turn 20 you have access to Any bike on earth. of course you need license for all these classes. so most people here start out with either the 50 or the 125 and learn to ride safe
just wanted to say thx cc. I bought a 2016 honda cb500f and went down on it in a parking lot making a turn at about 20 mph. I grabbed a bunch of handbrake and flipped over the bike. my buddy was "teaching me" how to ride but after that incident I started being a pansy. after seeing your vids on RUclips I bought me some protective gear and have been riding to work the last few days with a lot more confidence. so thanks bro
Started on a Hyosung 250r, just because i wanted a big bike but didnt want too much power, great bike for the price as its big and feel full sized bike but isnt heavy or scary to ride.
ive been watching this guys videos. the more i watch the more i agree with what he is laying down. as a long time rider, i can attest to what advice he is givng
i dont know about other states, but in mine (south carolina) we have a motorcycle rider education program, beginner, intermediate, and experienced levels. the first level all you need is gear, not even your bike or permit, also all levels qualify you for insurance discount
Last year I purchased a used 2009 Honda rebel 250 since it was my first year riding, by the end of season I knew I would want a larger bike the next year. I then bought a new 999cc indian scout 60, I'm glad i started on the smaller bike to get the fundamentals down. Also this year I got one of my friends to go and purchase a bike and he wanted so badly to start on a 600cc or 1000cc crotch rocket, eventually I got him talked into a Honda cb500f, and he is glad he did for the same reason as I.Next year he will be getting a larger bike to keep up with me lol RIDE SAFE AND DONT HAVE A FUCKED UP DAY!
AnTiCs53 I agree! Looking back, I'm grateful for my 250 experience. Supersports don't give much room for error, unless it has good electronic rider aides and even then you should not rely on electronics to save your butt.
You must have started on a 1000 cc bike, wear a Last Kings snapback, and have swag. Not everything needs to come down to statistics or numbers. People like you who desperately struggle to prove their point, ALWAYS use the number strategy as a last resort. I'll just leave it at that for you to think about. Anyway, that's all the commenting you'll get from me. I'm sure you will reply back with a less-than-witty comment in hopes of defending your valueless retort. I hope it was worth your ego. Cheers, man.
One thing I disagree with is the looking in the eyes of people waiting to pull out - look at their tyres, its the first warning you will have that they are moving. I've had it where I thought they have seen me because it looked like we locked eyes, and they just pull out anyway
DEATHbyCAI Tires and car movement can mean it's too late! You want to react BEFORE the car moves! You want to ride defensively and react before anything happens at all. If you quickly glance at their eyes and they are not looking at you than hit the horn before you pass them. Sometime I will just hit my horn before every car I pass to help alert them that a biker is passing. 9 years of riding (started in my teens and started back riding in 2010) and never had a car pull out on me fully (KNOCK ON WOOD!) However, I've always had a keen sense of possible danger and ride defensively since I was a teenager.
In the EU it's a legal requirement to do the CBT (MSF equivalent) AND sit a theory test before you're even allowed to take motorcycle lessons. I wouldn't go for a superbike, but I do have some initial motorcycle experience riding a throttled electric pushbike that does over 50 mph.
i agree bro! when I bought my ninja 300 I didn't really have experience on riding a motorcycle. i taught myself just riding through my neighborhood and i took the msf course which was really fun not gonna lie. in march ill be upgrading to a bigger bike.
Here in the UK it is a mandatory requirement to take CBT training before you can ride any motorbike/scooter. After that there are category's, so to qualify for AM you have to be at least 16 and have a max of 50cc then there's A1 where you have to be 17 and a max of 125cc then there's A2 where you have to be 19 with a max power output of 35kW and the final category A where you are unrestricted but you have to be 24 if you haven't progressed through A2 for at least 2 years. If you have been through at least 2 years you can start at 21. Even then there's a theory test and 2 practical tests to obtain a full licence. So basically in the UK you are forced to take the stepping stones approach unless your over 24.
My first bike was and is a 2007 Yamaha R1. I rode it for 2 years before getting on the track. Just for fun I have now about 30+ track days under my belt. I compete in WERA in open super stock expert. So just because you get a big bike doesn't mean you will get hurt. I respected the bike as soon as I sat on it. And I knew as soon as I disrespected it, it would try to kill me. How long you last with a bike depends only on how you look at the bike. It'll bite you before you can blink.
250s are fine and all if you're a smaller person. IMO, if you have to hammer down on it to avoid an accident if you're a bigger person, you just can't do it. I'm 5'10 189 (amateur body builder) and I started on a bigger bike. Cbr 600rr to be exact. And it was perfect for me. Controllable power, the weight was spot on for me. You have to take your size into consideration as well. Back to my statement about the 250. They may be fine for a smaller person though. IMO, ride a few different bikes for a few miles before you decide.
Cruza and Golf, did not see that coming. But more than get there attention get defensive and prepare to avoid them. B/c often you not going to get time to wave at them. What i do is prepare myself at every junction, at every place a car can cut across me. I see some people flying through lights, NO, I always slow down, drop gears and cover my brakes. If they wanna b starting something I ALWAYS look for my escapes. Like De Niro , I dont ride into a situation I do not have a plan to get out of.
I've been riding for ~4 months now after taking an MFS course. I watched youtube videos on riding motorcycles for 3-4 months before taking the class, and i felt super confident, but man that crap was hard lmao. The videos are not anything like the real thing, but i got around to it and I'm pretty good now with my ninja 250. I would like to accelerate faster sometimes, but I still have a lot of fun with it. Point is that, if you've never ridden a bike, or if its been a while, take the class if you can. w.e you can teach yourself in a few weeks, you'll learn over a weekend. Definitely worth it.
My first bike was a Yamaha FZR600R, drove a Harley Davidson Breakout 1700cc for a weekend 3 months later. And less then a year after getting my license i also own a Shadow 1100 Never had a problem with it. It all depends on if you can control yourself and your wrists, or maybe i am a talent lol :P
Honest I never rode dirtbikes or anything nor did I take the class. I started on a Yamaha R6, I was one of the lucky ones. I never laid it down. Good advice from this guy here. These things are no joke!
just bought a Hyosung gt250r. I rode a quad 1 time about 6 years ago. its a 250cc engine on a 600cc frame. only 22 something hp. I picked it up for $1500 after tax and licence only 2000 miles a brand new bike. everyone tells me its slow, I have needed a lot of training time ive had a lot of fast cars and trucks being on 2 wheels is a whole new story. 250s might not be fast but a great tool to learn on.
Similar story here, I started on a 150cc Yamaha YZF-R15 and everyone kept saying that it's really slow but I found it was absolutely perfect for me to learn on, and its small size also means I have a lot to look forward to when I move up in size, like I'm getting a hyosung gd250 this weekend and its still exiting haha
Thank you very much for the video just started riding a cbr250r mugen I did the course and Found alot that they tought you have just have reinforced Everyone was telling me to start on a bigger bike but i felt i did not have the skills and experience To handle i want this to be a great experience as i have been wanting to do this for a while i am 49 so will work my way up when i feel it is right Anyway keep up the good work and thank you for the video lookforward for more From melbourne australia
I started on a zx-14r... yes yes i know what an idiot BUT I spent well over 3 months just taking it to the parking lots after work, then around the neighborhood etc. And then about 6 months later I went on the streets first just short rides and then more normal 30 min rides etc. I personally did this because I knew it's the bike I wanted but I wouldn't have the money to buy a smaller bike and then the zx-14. I think there's no issue starting on a super big sport or touring etc or any bike you want. As long as you understand that its a serious bike and you need to learn the bike inside and out before you even think about the turns. Master throttle control, clutch, all small speed maneuvers, etc and then you can take it to the roads. Go start on whatever you want just take it slow so you are always a step ahead of the bike, you need to be in control no matter how big or small the big is, yes smaller bikes punish you less for mistakes but you can take bigger bikes for a first bike if you TAKE your time I can't say it enough just take your time there's no rush. The bike will be there, the road will be there. You need to be sure you will be there and be safe.
I personally think this video will help someone, and if they LISTEN, perhaps it will save their life. You sir, I respect. Thank You for a coherent honest vid. RIDE SAFE & enjoy the freedom of two wheels!! - brknbike
if someone didn't mention it already (didn't have time to read all the comments)... you forgot to mention gently "waggling" your handlebars so the headlight movement catches the attention of the drivers as you approach a car that is approaching from your right or left (also works for side mirror visability when your gut tells you that the car your approaching in the lane next to you is going the change into your lane)... this practice has "froze" many drivers in position that started to accelerate and didn't see me originally... that little teeny bit of headlight movement from left to right is equivalent to someone waving a flashlight pointed at you... it catches your attention... even in broad day light... just a suggestion for your next video...
the first motorcycle i ever rode was a Yamaha XJ6N or fz6n with 80 hp, with no experience at all, no moped or cross, went good and was fun. Bought a suzuki 500 as my first bike. You just need a good learner/instructer
In Australia they force us to start on smaller bikes for the first year or untill you get your full licence. They are called LAMs bikes. and you can still get some pretty powerful LAMs bikes, but they are a good point to look at what is a good power to weight for learner motorcyclists.
in the UK its illegal to ride a motorbike or moped without getting a CBT (compulsory basic training), and especially if youre 17, you're only restricted to ride 125cc bikes.
Well,to be honest,I grew up on a 49cc little moped,stopped riding it,and now after 5 years,I got my first big bike,a freaking KTM 690 SM,and I am doin well on this bike,its scary,but if you have self control,you can learn on any bike imo. I just cant afford to buy one bike and sell it to buy another,so I just got right into the KTM and gona continue from there. Nice tips btw
Started on a dual sport and in a month got a 636 :D I've rode dirt bikes before though too but not often, I think a dual sport is a great starter bike as well and its fun to go off-roading too in my opinion
My first bike is a zx10r 2012.. i just bought it 2 days ago.. my friend taught me how to ride.. i honestly was nervous to touch it necause i didnt know. So i asked questions for 20 minutes b4 i even touched it. After getting on it took me 2 minutes to learn. I have so much to learn and this bike is crazy strong. I honestly dont see how folks want to go fast, especially if u new. Its very easy to ride. Screw the whole "dont get a 1000 as a first bike". Its all about thr mindset and i have 0 desire to go fast. I just wanna learn hoe to ride safe
CycleCruza You mentioned Twist of The Wrist!!! For anyone else reading this who's interested in learning proper throttle control or steering technique, please watch Twist of The Wrist. It's a two part series, and it's available here on RUclips. While the acting is sub-par, Keith Code does an amazing job of teaching invaluable lessons.
I just started got a 125 taking it slow no rush for me I now that in the future I will get something better but for now this small 125 should suffice on my 4th day of riding I literally dodged a speeding car being chased by the cops crazy but that did not stop me from riding, ride safe ya'll
In Belgium we have to start on a 125 for 1 year, then we can go higher like 25hp and then only after a total of 3 years we can go on what size we want, that's clever !
Start on whatever makes you want to get out and ride. Secondly, get out to the track as soon as your local track school will allow it. The track will do more for your riding and confidence in a weekend than months of street riding.
I would just like to say that I agree that should start on a smaller bike, I for one currently have a little 150cc Chinese scooter, and the only thing I don't really like about it is its seat height.
The small bike thing, I feel, really applies more to sportbikes than to cruiser bikes. A lot affects the acceleration and throttle of a motorcycle. On a cruiser bike, a large engine might be necessary to propel the bike at any sort of speed. Also, depending on design, the throttle on some larger bikes is just smoother and easier to handle.I started on Harley Softails, which are not at all small bikes. I've been fine. Sure, if you make a mistake you will probably drop the bike (not many folks can hold up 700lbs of bike when it wants to go over). However, the throttle is incredibly smooth and the center of mass is low, which makes it a joy to maneuver in parking lots.My point is, buy a bike that feels comfortable to you. If that is a small 250cc that's fine, but don't be put off from buying a bigger bike. Just do realize that you will probably drop your first bike...so a big Road Glide that runs close to $30k might not be the best idea. However, I started on big bikes because I knew I wanted to ride a full-sized Harley. The way I see it, if you get used to a dinky 250cc, then you have to learn the bigger bike anyway down the road. Might as well learn it all upfront.
As weird as this may sound, when I started rinding about 2 years ago I was really fat. I think i was actually pushing 300 pounds. But, I still wanted to ride a motorcycke so I bout a used Harley 883 Iron. Then over the next year and a half J lost 85 pounds and now I ride a supermoto. Weird how things work some times. But even though I started on a bigger bike I dont really regret it because it teaches you to learn to ride in a different way
:D started on a 1800 (granted it's a cruiser) I'll fully admit it's a lot of power.... the power isn't the issue.... it's the weight mine weighs about 1k lbs wet... that was the biggest part of the learning curve on a large cruiser.... being a heavier bike you really have to drive more defensively as it's not as nimble as let's say a 700
I'm 5'11" 225lbs and I started on a ninja 250r just to be safe cause I had no prior experience...... I quickly moved up to the CBR600RR probably gonna jump up to that 1000 although I probably don't need it cause the CBR600RR is such a beast! I never took the MSF course, I just learned on my own and I've been riding for 2 years now and I've never once had a incident! Knock on wood! A few close calls but never any problems! Just show your bike RESPECT and u'll be fine! COMMON SENSE goes a long way
Here in Brazil things are little different, we have something similar to MSF classes, but while you're taking classes you are not allowed to ride in the street. That is really lame, new riders pass the exam and go to the streets thinking they know how to ride, but the truth is that classes in a closed environment cannot teach you shit when it comes to riding in a public environment. I think people should take motorcycles a lot more serious... Yeah, it's really cool to ride, but you can end up having a REALLY FUCKED UP DAY if you don't accept that you're a newbie.
I don't want to be that guy but here I go. I started with a 103 my brother a vrod. I did take the class and it was the first time on a bike. I passed and bought a HD dyna. You just need some self discipline, no your limitations and don't be stupid. My pop also told me it's a waste to get a little bike because in 6 months or so your gonna want to buy a big boy bike. I respect your opinion and probably for most people you are right. Be safe and ride out brother
I started on a R6 without any experience what so ever, never even road a dirt bike. Plus I didn't get an training. Hey I'm still doing fine. Been riding for about a year without any problems, if you know what you're getting into do what you want, start on a Harley, start on a s1000rr, start on a cbr 125. go and live life to its fullest.
For sure one of my fav vids from you. To be honest I think the best riding instructions I ever got was from moto vogs like yours. I learned to ride a bike on a 250 in 2008 from m13's vids:)
I'm going to try and start out on an Old 70' Sachs G3. I just need to repair the two things that make contact and make a spark in a generator, I forgot what it's called. If I can't get that sorted out, I'm going try to get a low powered bike off of craig's list.
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I just took the MSF class this weekend and I would highly recommend that everyone take it. I'm 23 years old, had never been on anything other than a bicycle, and they taught me everything. They teach you the most important stuff to keep you alive and it was a great experience. Now I'm looking for a 300cc starter bike to get riding.
What do you ride now?
I’m looking for a 300cc too. Stay safe friend
My advice as a new rider. DO NOT listen to your friends and just go out and buy a 600+ cc bike if you've never ridden before.
Get a 250:
1: way lighter, (street bikes are heavier than you think)
2: closer to the ground
3: the want to go 130mph+ is restricted (no new rider needs to go that fast so getting a 250 means you can't, even if you wanted to)
4: you can't flip the bike or pop the wheel with an accidental over blip of the throttle
5: no one on the street knows the difference, they just see a cool crotch rocket. (don't get a bigger bike just to "look cool" or "say you have one")
6: WAY CHEAPER, not only to purchase one, but the insurance as well. almost always under $300 per year
7: they RE-sell very well, as long as its clean you can guarantee you'll get your money back if not more.
Ive even been riding dirt bikes for years and I'm glad i got a 250 to start. Even if you do end up wanting to sell it in 3 months who cares, you'll make the money back and i promise you'll love the experience on it no matter what. A lot of people prefer 250's anyway cuz there smaller more maneuverable and you can hit corners just as fast as 600's if not better if your a GOOD rider.
Jacob Henderson I've been racing dirtbikes since I was 5, so I was already very familiar with motorcycles. I just bought a cbr 600 rr last month, and I'm glad I didn't get a 250. I feel like the 600 is the perfect bike to start on if you have 2 wheel/clutch experience. The 600's are actually surprisingly maneuverable, when you're flying down the highway at 250kmph switching from lane to lane, it feels like your floating, soo smooth!:p
Well that sounds like a recipe for suicide
Jacob Henderson 1.) With the exception of the CBR 250 newer 200cc and 300cc motorcycles are creeping up there with 600cc motorcycles. It's best to use the weight issue sparingly. 2.) Most 250s are identical in Height compared to their higher CC counterparts.. So you don't even have a valid reason here.3.) Region specific4.) You can wheelie and pop a 250..5.) 250s are normally Parallel Twins... Bike being Narrow, having ridiculous thin tires, and the weed whacker sound will all be dead give away in motorcyclist eyes... As for people who don't ride.. they won't notice one bit.6.) Very true7.) this is true also.
Jacob Henderson I'm getting a R6 and I've never rode a bike before.. But the point is why I won' get a 250, because once you spend 2k-4k for a Ninja, and you become good at riding? what happens next? You sell it for less than what you paid, you have to spend more time looking for a bigger ,bike. In my opion get a 600, not a 1000 tho. GSX-R or a R6 would be good, i mean learn to ride it, get the feel for it, like do it with dan, it goes 2mph by it's self when in 1st gear.. just go around neighborhood. Why waste money on 250 and then get bored of the speed... and trust me your going to have a hell of a time trying to get your ninja to catch up to highway speeds.. Takes about 1-4 mins to get it to 40mph..
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I think you're exaggerating the speed and time there just a little bit.
I will list my issues with the 250cc bikes.
They are cheap commuter bikes... Nothing more .. Nothing less.
That being said that means they come with crappy Brakes, cheap tires, soft suspension, and power delivery suitable for gas savings and around town. These are all the EXACT opposite of what you'll find on a 600cc/1000cc bike.
My suggestion would be to find a race Prepped 250.. if not that..650 twin or a larger engine/older street fighter. For instance, my z1000 has issues beating most Supersport 600cc bikes.
im gonna start on a busa and only wear flip flops and shorts with a backwards hat to protect my hair lol.
TheWildCard bitches at least you know how to take care of yourself
I'm from Ohio also, I just took the MSF BRC this past weekend. I excelled in the two day practice areas and failed miserably on the test. I was pretty defeated and honestly thought of giving up and selling my bike a couple times. I have a hard time with all the controls and cornering. I have no problem shifting but the throttle and braking have me intimidated.
Thanks for posting this video and giving me some confidence back to get out there and trying it again.
You make some great points! I bought a 600cc bike as my "first" bike. Although, I'm a returning rider so I wasn't a total noob. I started riding dirt bikes at age 12, and had a YSR50 a few years later. Then I went almost 20 years w/o riding. I picked up a FZ6R (I looked at the Ninja 650 as well) which is not too powerful (68 HP), but enough to get you in trouble!
Started out on a bmw k1200r sport. I'm fine, just have a healthy fear of your bike. It doesn't matter if its a 250cc or a 1000cc it can still kill you.
+Gabriel Trujillo how did you totaled the bike? I started on the cbr600rr very awesome bike by the way just about 3 weeks ago with zero riding experience but i approach it with extreme caution, practice common sense, and I ride like everybody on the road is trying to get me. I think it's all coming down to the the person. Like it doesn't mater if you start on a 250 or 600 if you don't have enough common sense and just riding around like you're driving a car all carefree and singing and crap shit gonna escalate real quick.
"...about learning on that bike a 600 or 1200 is too much power for someone who has not ever written"
Not written what? A book?
I am a brand new rider, and I am learning a lot by watching this channel.
I knew that I could not handle a big bike, so I bought a Honda CB110 to learn on here in the Philippines. I at least had some common sense.
I wish there were MSF classes here in the Philippines, but sadly there are none for foreigners like me...unless you want to pay 5 times the amount for the same class that a local Filipino would pay.
CycleCruza....
Please keep these videos coming. I need all the help I can get, and I love the way you present yourself, your videos, and your lesson material.
Pissed off at ya CC! You missed the number one core factor as why most squids don't make it past the 3 year mark. Every thing you said is true in this video but you missed the number one main reason why they fail. "IMPROPER MOTIVES". It always starts with the motive. All squids that I have seen so far have improper motives to ride. They aren't riding to become great riders, they aren't riding to learn about motorcycles. They are riding to bee "seen" and they are riding to "fit in" somehow. Its always a improper mindset. That is why the don't make it. A guy that is going to make it always approaches motorcycling with the attitude of " I am going to learn all I can about this scene and I am going learn to be among the BEST riders. I am going to do this shit RIGHT!" but that takes dedication and discipline. Those guys don't have discipline nor dedications. They approach this sport as "DEES BITCHES GONNA SEE ME ROOLLLING!" They jump on a random big ass bike like a Busa or a GSXR1000 and just ride around hoping some chick notices them. That is the wrong answer. Sometimes these guys get good enough to go kinda fast for a while until that bike or the road writes a check that he cant cash and that is the end of him. In his final seconds he realizes how fast 70mph actually is. Yeah "them bitches" saw him rolling... but those same bitches also saw him get crumpled up on the side of the road, too. NUMBER ONE KILLER: "Improper motives"
Gloomshadow100 LOL! True that!
I couldn't agree better, man! So well said! "..until that bike or the road writes a check that he can't cash.."
Great point!!
Well said!
If you're going to ride like an idiot, which we all do at some stage, at least do it roads that you know. Can't go too fast for a corner or straight, if you already know what's ahead. It's why I choose when I ride stupidly. But I am, by far, no squid. I want to race, that is my dream. To be able to race sport bikes on a track, and take my bike to its limit. Improper motives is one thing. Choosing where you act stupid, for that adrenaline rush, is another.
i started on a bicycle, then took a few lessons for motorcycles.
now I'm on 600cc cbr repsol.
so easy!
despite what alot of commets may say about you cyclecruza, have to admit i agree with your way of thinking. i love that you preach starting on small bikes and not do wheelies and wear protective gear. i must say that you have a very level headed and reasonable approach to riding. i have followed the traditional way also of 50cc,70cc,125,150,200,250 and just recently baught a old cbr 600 f3 that i tuned myself- and im happy to have crawled before running the the crazy cbr(125hp)!
+Pro Scoot Small bikes are fun, I went back to a 250 for a second bike. I got a WR250r now and sold my cbr600rr. I love this little bike for off-road and tooling around town. However, my cbr1000rr is still a blast to ride as well.
Start on a 250 but how about a 300 hundred would that be okay cause it looks A LOT better than the old school 250 :D
I'm a girl, 5"2, I started with a CB190R, it has been great, it's short, it's light and it's beautiful. I've never ride a cycle so I had a slow start because I needed to learn how to balance.... I had no issues at all with this bike, took me like 3 days to get balance.
im getting first bike. 2014 drz 400 sm. Been watching cycle cruza over a year now and its finally go time. Thanks for all the tips!
awesome bike but consider buying used those DRZ's havent been changed in over 10 years
My very first bike was a 2008 Suzuki Blvd c109r and I had no problem with it. Yes it was an extremely heavy bike and so getting use to the weight was something but I only put it on its side once and have not had problems since. I would say the MSF course is something that can help because I took that before buying my bike and it helped me when I did get my bike.
I had a moped when I was young. Took my lessons on the ninja 650 and bought a 600cc 4 cylinder Honda hornet. In Europe it is not allowed to drive without a license (you have to pass exams both on control of your vehicle and driving on the road to get that license).
the arm pain , back pain and lots of generally physical pain that i personally experienced when i started riding for the first couple of months ! even though on the 250 i slip alot because i didn't know the sequence of braking on bike . or when i upgraded my bike , in the first week when i wasn't 100% in control of a my new bigger bike , a lady friend of mine asked me if she can experience riding a supersport on my back , so i said jump on ( like 007 agent ) , and i just sideslip the bike because i couldn't control the extra weight on my back sit ! definitely agreed with cyclecruza , just gain and gain experience , and don't try to be the tough guy . that's it . as i always say , RIDE SAFE , STAY TUNED .
All solid points. If I can touch on one, definitely take MSF classes. Wether new or old, take these classes great stuff.
Growing up riding quads and dirtbikes I had no real reason to take the MSF class and I'm glad I did. I learned some good tips, and also I did it to lower my insurance premium.
Ive ridden minibikes and small dirtbikes a lot growing up but i still started with a Ninja 250 for my first bike, not because i couldnt ride or corner or balance but because i wasnt used to having to deal with shifting gears so it helped me build my confidence.
I learned to ride on a Honda Cbf600f back in driving school, but my first motorcycle I bought was a Kawasaki Ninja 300, just because in my opinion this is the perfect bike to learn how to take corners the right way without worrying about giving it too much throttle.
Loving your blog CC. Great golf analogy. New golfers ( like myself) always want the Tiger Woods Nike bazooka clubs for a grand+, but complain or no time to take lessons or practice.
bike when i got my 06 yamaha 600r I had never rode anything on 2 wheels. I took the motorcycle safety course and then went straight to the rode and did ok. I think it's all about how you respect the bike and use common sense. The knowledge i've gotten from the safety course still helps today. Now i'm about to buy a 1000
I wanted a nice vintage bike (mechanic by trade) and took your advice and got me a 74 Honda CB200. Thanks for all the tips.
i did the MSF and started on a 950cc cruiser that is 540lbs. never touched anything motorized on 2 wheels before. it was really easy to learn on and my confidence built up real fast. but its probably different with sport bikes
I started on an 07 r6 as my first street bike but I also grew up on dirtbikes, 4wheelers etc. I definitely think new riders who have never ridden anything other than a bicycle should start on a 250. Unfortunately sometimes that doesn't even matter. I have a friend who just bought a brand new 2014 ninja 300 and dropped it 4 times within the first month but his 5th drop was an actual wreck. Was doing 80 and didn't lean enough into a turn and by the time he hit the brakes it was too late. Slammed into the curb and he went flying and his bike got smashed up pretty damn good! And of course he wears no gear besides a helmet so he got some nice road rash and a dislocated shoulder. I've spent countless time teaching him how to ride because he refuses to take the msf course. Some people just aren't meant to be on bikes I think...
This has been some great advice, I'm currently 17 and trying to convince my parents to let me get a bike. I will be taking an endorsement class and hopefully getting a bike sometime in the near future. My parents are completely against getting a bike as they are very scared of the dangers of riding a bike, but IMO you should never let anyone come between a goal that you have. Be confident and if all else fails just wait until your 18 to buy yourself a bike. Either way I appreciate videos like this and you do a great job. Thanks man, keep doing what your doing and I'll check out that playlist :)
Whats up Cruza! I'm a new rider with a 2013 cbr250r and i been watching all your motoblogs since then. Very informative and hella funny as well! right on brotha, sick CBR! Keep on doing what your doing. Safe riding and I'll check you out later from San Francisco California! Peace
I started on a 1989 Kawasaki 454LTD. Had my mate bring it home for me. Then I spent about a week in the parking lot of the apartment complex where I lived, learning the clutch, creeping the bike forward, basically clutchwalking around the lot. Then working on u turning and figure eighting in empty sections of parkingspots. Never took a single motorcycle lesson. It was some time before I took it to work and back, and even longer before I hit the interstate. I had a regular driver's licence so I knew about traffic, just had to learn the bike. It can be done, you just have to be patient and feel comfortable clutching and gearing before you go into traffic. It's like Cruza says, start small. Like skiing, start with small hills before you go for the olympics. (Don't care for golfing. ;) )
I took an MSF course but my first purchased bike was a SV650.. I don't recommend anything less given you take an MSF course.
Took msf course and my first bike was a Suzuki dr350. Best decision I ever made. You don't need a ton of power to have fun. Start small and grow when your experience allows. Besides, on a dirt bike you can get a loud exhaust and that gives you the presence of a larger bike. Nothing sounds better than an uncorked 4 stroke thumper.
TY for your videos CC! Much appreciated! Just bought my first bike ever today, a Honda CBR 600 F-fuckin'-3 from '97. I'm super pleased with my purchase. Peace!
I'm a new rider as of this year bought first street bike 2003 Suzuki GSX-R 750 been awesome and great starter bike. and I'm 6'4 and handle it no problem... no need for smaller bike to start you will just end up selling it half way threw the summer...
I started on My new Yamaha R6
3 months ago and have been riding with it every day to work / university
I m fine with it
its rly up to the rider, if you have absolutely no experience but are mature enough
and respect the bike I think you can even start learning on a sportbike
but thats just my opinion
Good points CC! Also, in my opinion, it is not just the ccs that one should consider as a new rider, but also the kind of bike. Sport bikes tend to be lighter in general, so respecting the throttle is top priority. Cruiser bikes like mine, tend to be heavier, but even at 1100ccs, you don't have to worry about pullin that front wheel up into the air straight off the line.
Prepared and practiced and learned all I could about bikes before ever touching a bike. First time on a bike was at an MSF class, felt like home.
The first time I was on two wheels was on my friends VStrom 650. A couple months later I saw your video on why to get a CBR600 and thats what I have now :D
First bike this year: 2012 Ninja 650 (It's got about 65 hp). I is a bit on the heavy side and that's something i've gotten used too. Great low-end power, handles great and I've had no major incidents after 3,000 miles. My wife got a CBR300R and she thinks she's outgrowing it already;no biggie. We'll trade it in if need be. She's thinking Honda 650f...
Great advice been ten years since i rode a motorcycle and I can't wait to get back on
Ive still got my 250, been riding everyday since April 15th! Saving up for that upgrade, no joke.
It's worth doing a driving license beforehand. That way you get a practical exercise of the Highway Code; don't think you don't need it, its (understatement) essential to learn it in order to stay safe and legal on the road. Also, you get to practise driving on the road, the road conditions, how other people behave and if you make a mistake, either your instructor will use the emergency brake or you crash being surrounded by a metal cage. It's also good to have a back-up vehicle for icy conditions and a car is the best option. You also get to practise throttle control, clutch control etc. and all you have to do when you get on a motorcycle is to swap the gear and clutch controls. You will already know how a clutch behaves and all you need to do is get used to controlling it with your hand and the new biting point.
What's nice is that in the UK, there is no way you can start riding as a beginner on a super sport. You have to pass the Compulsory Basic Training (they cover how to control a bike, practise turning, emergency stop etc. and if the instructor thinks you're ready you get a certificate and you can ride) in order to start riding on motorcycles with a maximum of 125cc engine size. You then have to pass a theory test similar to a theory test for a car and a practical exam. Then you can apply for a higher riding license and pass more exams. You have to work your way through the bike sizes and learn new skills before you can ride bigger size bikes.
@ 5'5", first bike was KZ1000 LTD, then 750 Katana, then '91 GSXR1100, recently Aprilia RSVR Factory. out of all those bikes, I never rode them to their limits. RSVR I did. but that limit was freaking high. so now i'm looking at Duke 390 RC. yes, lower power but the limit can be achieved easily (7/10's) limit for fun, handling, looks and occasional track day. easy. Ride safe brother.
my first bike is my yamaha FZ-07, never had accident learned how to ride it exiting the store, before i had a scooter. I ride it a lot with friend whith years of experience, they see me ride fine, so, i think it depends on your personality, and habilities, but as you said, for most people...
I started off on a KX 125 back in the 90s when I was in my teens and didn't touch a motorcycle until a few years ago in my 30s. I jumped on a Harley cruiser and riding that thing was different (because it was so heavy) but it was still 2nd nature riding it many years later. I owe that to years of riding ATV's with manual shift/clutches, dirt bikes, and all the off-roading. Starting off brand new a heavy street bike would probably be too intimidating and there's no margin of error - tip it beyond the point of no return and it's going down hard.
CycleCruza, thanks a lot for sharing your experience. I find that a lot of not only riders but drivers in general lack that concept of defensive driving. I also want to thank you for the inspiration in that and many other videos. I finally got my first bike (and I am 30 y.o. now) and it's Ninja 650R partially due to your advice. The thing is AWESOME. It has some power but I can handle it. It's a shame that I live in the North of Russia so I can't ride more than 6 months a year but damn, it's totally worth it.
Best of luck on the road to you bro and to all of folks out there. Stay safe and enjoy your riding. =)
in finland, this is pretty much fixed with Age Restriction:
first bike you can get and what most teens get is a 50cc max 4kw
at the age of 15
at the age of 16 if you wanna do some highway riding or just get a little more power
you can get a 125cc max 11kw bike.
once you turn 18 you get a bit more options: any two wheel with max power of 35kw
but not a twice as powerful bike thats been but down to 35kw
and when you turn 20 you have access to Any bike on earth. of course you need license for all these classes. so most people here start out with either the 50 or the 125 and learn to ride safe
started on a BMX when I was 5ys old my First street bike 83 GPz1100 now 03 ZX12R
just wanted to say thx cc. I bought a 2016 honda cb500f and went down on it in a parking lot making a turn at about 20 mph. I grabbed a bunch of handbrake and flipped over the bike. my buddy was "teaching me" how to ride but after that incident I started being a pansy. after seeing your vids on RUclips I bought me some protective gear and have been riding to work the last few days with a lot more confidence. so thanks bro
did you take the MSF course?
evergreengunnut no but I plan on it
Started on a Hyosung 250r, just because i wanted a big bike but didnt want too much power, great bike for the price as its big and feel full sized bike but isnt heavy or scary to ride.
Dude, love your knowledge. Love your humor. I could listen to you lecture all day!
ive been watching this guys videos. the more i watch the more i agree with what he is laying down. as a long time rider, i can attest to what advice he is givng
i dont know about other states, but in mine (south carolina) we have a motorcycle rider education program, beginner, intermediate, and experienced levels. the first level all you need is gear, not even your bike or permit, also all levels qualify you for insurance discount
Last year I purchased a used 2009 Honda rebel 250 since it was my first year riding, by the end of season I knew I would want a larger bike the next year. I then bought a new 999cc indian scout 60, I'm glad i started on the smaller bike to get the fundamentals down. Also this year I got one of my friends to go and purchase a bike and he wanted so badly to start on a 600cc or 1000cc crotch rocket, eventually I got him talked into a Honda cb500f, and he is glad he did for the same reason as I.Next year he will be getting a larger bike to keep up with me lol RIDE SAFE AND DONT HAVE A FUCKED UP DAY!
People that start on 250s grow to be better riders than people who start on 600cc+
AnTiCs53 I agree! Looking back, I'm grateful for my 250 experience. Supersports don't give much room for error, unless it has good electronic rider aides and even then you should not rely on electronics to save your butt.
CycleCruza I loved my 1994 zx6, was my first street bike, I never felt out of place on that old bike
My friend Dave started on a 150 then went to a 250 now he still with a 250 he loved it so mutch
Do you have any statistics to back that up? Or are you just repeating all the BS people spill around about bikes
You must have started on a 1000 cc bike, wear a Last Kings snapback, and have swag. Not everything needs to come down to statistics or numbers. People like you who desperately struggle to prove their point, ALWAYS use the number strategy as a last resort. I'll just leave it at that for you to think about. Anyway, that's all the commenting you'll get from me. I'm sure you will reply back with a less-than-witty comment in hopes of defending your valueless retort. I hope it was worth your ego. Cheers, man.
One thing I disagree with is the looking in the eyes of people waiting to pull out - look at their tyres, its the first warning you will have that they are moving. I've had it where I thought they have seen me because it looked like we locked eyes, and they just pull out anyway
DEATHbyCAI really? i always look at their windshield wipers to see if they will pull out
I assume your joking haha
DEATHbyCAI Tires and car movement can mean it's too late! You want to react BEFORE the car moves! You want to ride defensively and react before anything happens at all. If you quickly glance at their eyes and they are not looking at you than hit the horn before you pass them. Sometime I will just hit my horn before every car I pass to help alert them that a biker is passing. 9 years of riding (started in my teens and started back riding in 2010) and never had a car pull out on me fully (KNOCK ON WOOD!) However, I've always had a keen sense of possible danger and ride defensively since I was a teenager.
In the EU it's a legal requirement to do the CBT (MSF equivalent) AND sit a theory test before you're even allowed to take motorcycle lessons. I wouldn't go for a superbike, but I do have some initial motorcycle experience riding a throttled electric pushbike that does over 50 mph.
i agree bro! when I bought my ninja 300 I didn't really have experience on riding a motorcycle. i taught myself just riding through my neighborhood and i took the msf course which was really fun not gonna lie. in march ill be upgrading to a bigger bike.
Here in the UK it is a mandatory requirement to take CBT training before you can ride any motorbike/scooter. After that there are category's, so to qualify for AM you have to be at least 16 and have a max of 50cc then there's A1 where you have to be 17 and a max of 125cc then there's A2 where you have to be 19 with a max power output of 35kW and the final category A where you are unrestricted but you have to be 24 if you haven't progressed through A2 for at least 2 years. If you have been through at least 2 years you can start at 21. Even then there's a theory test and 2 practical tests to obtain a full licence. So basically in the UK you are forced to take the stepping stones approach unless your over 24.
I miss my 250 Ninja. So light, flickable and rev happy. Small bikes are a lot of fun.
My first bike was and is a 2007 Yamaha R1. I rode it for 2 years before getting on the track. Just for fun I have now about 30+ track days under my belt. I compete in WERA in open super stock expert. So just because you get a big bike doesn't mean you will get hurt. I respected the bike as soon as I sat on it. And I knew as soon as I disrespected it, it would try to kill me. How long you last with a bike depends only on how you look at the bike. It'll bite you before you can blink.
I started with a 600rr
All I did is watch videos like this..& I was hooked
250s are fine and all if you're a smaller person. IMO, if you have to hammer down on it to avoid an accident if you're a bigger person, you just can't do it. I'm 5'10 189 (amateur body builder) and I started on a bigger bike. Cbr 600rr to be exact. And it was perfect for me. Controllable power, the weight was spot on for me. You have to take your size into consideration as well. Back to my statement about the 250. They may be fine for a smaller person though. IMO, ride a few different bikes for a few miles before you decide.
Cruza and Golf, did not see that coming. But more than get there attention get defensive and prepare to avoid them. B/c often you not going to get time to wave at them. What i do is prepare myself at every junction, at every place a car can cut across me. I see some people flying through lights, NO, I always slow down, drop gears and cover my brakes. If they wanna b starting something I ALWAYS look for my escapes. Like De Niro , I dont ride into a situation I do not have a plan to get out of.
AHS Society Right on! I was joking with the waving hands part. lol
But the Evil Biker Look does work all the time. LOL. People are afraid of supers. they think we part evil.
I've been riding for ~4 months now after taking an MFS course. I watched youtube videos on riding motorcycles for 3-4 months before taking the class, and i felt super confident, but man that crap was hard lmao. The videos are not anything like the real thing, but i got around to it and I'm pretty good now with my ninja 250. I would like to accelerate faster sometimes, but I still have a lot of fun with it.
Point is that, if you've never ridden a bike, or if its been a while, take the class if you can. w.e you can teach yourself in a few weeks, you'll learn over a weekend. Definitely worth it.
My first bike was a Yamaha FZR600R, drove a Harley Davidson Breakout 1700cc for a weekend 3 months later. And less then a year after getting my license i also own a Shadow 1100
Never had a problem with it.
It all depends on if you can control yourself and your wrists, or maybe i am a talent lol :P
Honest I never rode dirtbikes or anything nor did I take the class. I started on a Yamaha R6, I was one of the lucky ones. I never laid it down. Good advice from this guy here. These things are no joke!
Two days at MSF was all the 250 experience I needed or wanted. My SV650 is a great bike; but now I'm ready for a 4 cylinder
just bought a Hyosung gt250r. I rode a quad 1 time about 6 years ago. its a 250cc engine on a 600cc frame. only 22 something hp. I picked it up for $1500 after tax and licence only 2000 miles a brand new bike. everyone tells me its slow, I have needed a lot of training time ive had a lot of fast cars and trucks being on 2 wheels is a whole new story. 250s might not be fast but a great tool to learn on.
Similar story here, I started on a 150cc Yamaha YZF-R15 and everyone kept saying that it's really slow but I found it was absolutely perfect for me to learn on, and its small size also means I have a lot to look forward to when I move up in size, like I'm getting a hyosung gd250 this weekend and its still exiting haha
Got my first bike a month ago, 2007 zx6r 500 miles later still 👌🏻
Thank you very much for the video just started riding a cbr250r mugen
I did the course and Found alot that they tought you have just have reinforced
Everyone was telling me to start on a bigger bike but i felt i did not have the skills and experience
To handle i want this to be a great experience as i have been wanting to do this for a while i am 49 so will work my way up when i feel it is right
Anyway keep up the good work and thank you for the video lookforward for more
From melbourne australia
Litre bikes are also called "Donor Bikes" for a reason. Talk to any highway patrol officer or EMT and they'll set you straight.
I started on a zx-14r... yes yes i know what an idiot BUT I spent well over 3 months just taking it to the parking lots after work, then around the neighborhood etc. And then about 6 months later I went on the streets first just short rides and then more normal 30 min rides etc. I personally did this because I knew it's the bike I wanted but I wouldn't have the money to buy a smaller bike and then the zx-14. I think there's no issue starting on a super big sport or touring etc or any bike you want. As long as you understand that its a serious bike and you need to learn the bike inside and out before you even think about the turns. Master throttle control, clutch, all small speed maneuvers, etc and then you can take it to the roads. Go start on whatever you want just take it slow so you are always a step ahead of the bike, you need to be in control no matter how big or small the big is, yes smaller bikes punish you less for mistakes but you can take bigger bikes for a first bike if you TAKE your time I can't say it enough just take your time there's no rush. The bike will be there, the road will be there. You need to be sure you will be there and be safe.
I personally think this video will help someone, and if they LISTEN, perhaps it will save their life. You sir, I respect. Thank You for a coherent honest vid. RIDE SAFE & enjoy the freedom of two wheels!! - brknbike
if someone didn't mention it already (didn't have time to read all the comments)... you forgot to mention gently "waggling" your handlebars so the headlight movement catches the attention of the drivers as you approach a car that is approaching from your right or left (also works for side mirror visability when your gut tells you that the car your approaching in the lane next to you is going the change into your lane)... this practice has "froze" many drivers in position that started to accelerate and didn't see me originally... that little teeny bit of headlight movement from left to right is equivalent to someone waving a flashlight pointed at you... it catches your attention... even in broad day light... just a suggestion for your next video...
I just started riding on an R3. Thanks for the tips!
the first motorcycle i ever rode was a Yamaha XJ6N or fz6n with 80 hp, with no experience at all, no moped or cross, went good and was fun.
Bought a suzuki 500 as my first bike.
You just need a good learner/instructer
I'm starting on a 903cc cruiser. A little big but it's not unmanageable.
you never make a video that i would disagree with… Very informational… but the CBR60rr… wow… love that bike… in the next few months I'll have one…
In Australia they force us to start on smaller bikes for the first year or untill you get your full licence. They are called LAMs bikes. and you can still get some pretty powerful LAMs bikes, but they are a good point to look at what is a good power to weight for learner motorcyclists.
in the UK its illegal to ride a motorbike or moped without getting a CBT (compulsory basic training), and especially if youre 17, you're only restricted to ride 125cc bikes.
I feel cool because I started on a CBR600 and i never rode any motorized 2 wheeler before, just bicycles
Well,to be honest,I grew up on a 49cc little moped,stopped riding it,and now after 5 years,I got my first big bike,a freaking KTM 690 SM,and I am doin well on this bike,its scary,but if you have self control,you can learn on any bike imo. I just cant afford to buy one bike and sell it to buy another,so I just got right into the KTM and gona continue from there. Nice tips btw
Started on a dual sport and in a month got a 636 :D I've rode dirt bikes before though too but not often, I think a dual sport is a great starter bike as well and its fun to go off-roading too in my opinion
Dual sports are great IF you have trails, the very few legal trails here suck, other wise I would have a dual sport in the garage.
CycleCruza I'm planning on getting a dual sport and converting it into a motard for city riding.
My first bike is a zx10r 2012.. i just bought it 2 days ago.. my friend taught me how to ride.. i honestly was nervous to touch it necause i didnt know. So i asked questions for 20 minutes b4 i even touched it. After getting on it took me 2 minutes to learn. I have so much to learn and this bike is crazy strong. I honestly dont see how folks want to go fast, especially if u new. Its very easy to ride. Screw the whole "dont get a 1000 as a first bike". Its all about thr mindset and i have 0 desire to go fast. I just wanna learn hoe to ride safe
CycleCruza
You mentioned Twist of The Wrist!!!
For anyone else reading this who's interested in learning proper throttle control or steering technique, please watch Twist of The Wrist.
It's a two part series, and it's available here on RUclips.
While the acting is sub-par, Keith Code does an amazing job of teaching invaluable lessons.
I just started got a 125 taking it slow no rush for me I now that in the future I will get something better but for now this small 125 should suffice on my 4th day of riding I literally dodged a speeding car being chased by the cops crazy but that did not stop me from riding, ride safe ya'll
In Belgium we have to start on a 125 for 1 year, then we can go higher like 25hp and then only after a total of 3 years we can go on what size we want, that's clever !
Start on whatever makes you want to get out and ride. Secondly, get out to the track as soon as your local track school will allow it. The track will do more for your riding and confidence in a weekend than months of street riding.
I would just like to say that I agree that should start on a smaller bike, I for one currently have a little 150cc Chinese scooter, and the only thing I don't really like about it is its seat height.
The small bike thing, I feel, really applies more to sportbikes than to cruiser bikes. A lot affects the acceleration and throttle of a motorcycle. On a cruiser bike, a large engine might be necessary to propel the bike at any sort of speed. Also, depending on design, the throttle on some larger bikes is just smoother and easier to handle.I started on Harley Softails, which are not at all small bikes. I've been fine. Sure, if you make a mistake you will probably drop the bike (not many folks can hold up 700lbs of bike when it wants to go over). However, the throttle is incredibly smooth and the center of mass is low, which makes it a joy to maneuver in parking lots.My point is, buy a bike that feels comfortable to you. If that is a small 250cc that's fine, but don't be put off from buying a bigger bike. Just do realize that you will probably drop your first bike...so a big Road Glide that runs close to $30k might not be the best idea. However, I started on big bikes because I knew I wanted to ride a full-sized Harley. The way I see it, if you get used to a dinky 250cc, then you have to learn the bigger bike anyway down the road. Might as well learn it all upfront.
As weird as this may sound, when I started rinding about 2 years ago I was really fat. I think i was actually pushing 300 pounds. But, I still wanted to ride a motorcycke so I bout a used Harley 883 Iron. Then over the next year and a half J lost 85 pounds and now I ride a supermoto. Weird how things work some times. But even though I started on a bigger bike I dont really regret it because it teaches you to learn to ride in a different way
:D started on a 1800 (granted it's a cruiser) I'll fully admit it's a lot of power.... the power isn't the issue.... it's the weight mine weighs about 1k lbs wet... that was the biggest part of the learning curve on a large cruiser.... being a heavier bike you really have to drive more defensively as it's not as nimble as let's say a 700
Here in aus you start on a 250 or you don't start at all, the guvvo makes sure of that.
u aussies screw with so many words guvvo?
raleighman3000 guvvo. guvoment. government. shit cunts.
JohnReviewer112 which state, cos in WA it's 250 or lower
+Username 1 In Victoria it actually depends on the power to weight ratio. You can get up to a 650 or so.
+Username 1 Get a new guvvo m8!
I'm 5'11" 225lbs and I started on a ninja 250r just to be safe cause I had no prior experience...... I quickly moved up to the CBR600RR probably gonna jump up to that 1000 although I probably don't need it cause the CBR600RR is such a beast! I never took the MSF course, I just learned on my own and I've been riding for 2 years now and I've never once had a incident! Knock on wood! A few close calls but never any problems! Just show your bike RESPECT and u'll be fine! COMMON SENSE goes a long way
Here in Brazil things are little different, we have something similar to MSF classes, but while you're taking classes you are not allowed to ride in the street. That is really lame, new riders pass the exam and go to the streets thinking they know how to ride, but the truth is that classes in a closed environment cannot teach you shit when it comes to riding in a public environment.
I think people should take motorcycles a lot more serious... Yeah, it's really cool to ride, but you can end up having a REALLY FUCKED UP DAY if you don't accept that you're a newbie.
I don't want to be that guy but here I go. I started with a 103 my brother a vrod. I did take the class and it was the first time on a bike. I passed and bought a HD dyna. You just need some self discipline, no your limitations and don't be stupid. My pop also told me it's a waste to get a little bike because in 6 months or so your gonna want to buy a big boy bike. I respect your opinion and probably for most people you are right. Be safe and ride out brother
I started on a R6 without any experience what so ever, never even road a dirt bike. Plus I didn't get an training. Hey I'm still doing fine. Been riding for about a year without any problems, if you know what you're getting into do what you want, start on a Harley, start on a s1000rr, start on a cbr 125. go and live life to its fullest.
A 600cc Cruiser is a good starter bike. You have to remember there's a huge difference in the power bands of cruisers and sport bikes.
For sure one of my fav vids from you. To be honest I think the best riding instructions I ever got was from moto vogs like yours. I learned to ride a bike on a 250 in 2008 from m13's vids:)
I'm going to try and start out on an Old 70' Sachs G3. I just need to repair the two things that make contact and make a spark in a generator, I forgot what it's called. If I can't get that sorted out, I'm going try to get a low powered bike off of craig's list.
I like your attitude good sir! Best of luck from the East Coast!