AI Generated Games Are Ruining Steam
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- AI Generated Games Are Ruining Steam
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"In the future, entertainment will be randomly generated"
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Roguelike developers be like, it's about time...
goofy ahh entertainment
I think AI will be very helpful in executing important parts of the creative process which are not the main focus of individual indie devs, allowing them to focus on their favourite parts of the game dev. For example, it's entirely plausible that AI will be able to easily animate models and sprites (if it can't already), giving devs who are more focused on programming more time to spend on parts that are more interesting to them. It will probably also get to the point where it can read code which just isn't doing what you want it to and, based on a prompt, suggest ways to fix it. It will undoubtedly lead to a whole load of low-effort games being pumped out, but it will also hopefully take a lot of the pain out of game dev.
I think some of the animosity stems from the fact that the art side of development doesn't really stand to gain much from it. Programmers without art skills get assets to use, but artists with no programming skills get nothing.
I imagine a decade from here an ai that create the code too. Like, we write for example: a story driven slow spacing 2d platformer with dialogue system and crafting mechanics and then boom. you have a prototype. lol. it's crazy.
Don't get *too* excited about that. We already use AI to generate a lot of stuff like procedural levels, and even movement animations. For that matter, the automated behavior of NPCs is, of course, a form of AI. And 60% of the time, it works every time. The issue arises in the 40% of cases where the AI does something that's glitchy, buggy, unintuitive, or just plain breaks the game. Characters get hung up, characters faces start being rendered upside-down or look like nightmare fuel, AI-generated voices will hilariously mispronounce a word here and there. Procgen'd levels will become roads to nowhere (or just be ugly and un-fun). Etc. etc. etc.
Now, if you have a large enough team to manually 'check' the AI's work and aren't relying on it, that's fine, you can correct it and retrain the model. What's going to happen, though, is a lot of low-effort games where they don't bother, along with a lot of solo devs trying to make Skyrim by themselves and letting their reach massively outpace their grasp.
@@TheJungaBoon there are already AI's that do code generation based on prompts, programmers won't be safe forever either... also not all programming methods are difficult to learn, and there is always the possiblity that tools that let you write code easily will have their run time cost minimized, having pushed code through an AI 'compiler' that optimises it.
@@TheJungaBoon artists with little programming skills already got that "something" when easy to use engines like Unity replaced programmers some time ago
imagine if programs like Unity or Gamemaker put their own AI in their software to generate textures. I can totally see this being a thing in the future.
Gamemaker has character and sound generators in their roadmap although i'm not sure if they are actually going to be AI tools
stable diffusion ai texture generator with seamless and ai 4k 8k upscalers. yeah id say ai is after everyone's jobs. now text to 3d ai too for 3d models also in the works. no imagining needed just look up dream ai for blender. i have also seen an ai painter to replace substance painter and you just draw where you want the new decal to be drawn and it draws it perfectly with ai. they used it to fill in a part of a mailbox that was untextured to match the rest of the box. did a perfect job.
Godot is more likely to adopt it first since any dude can make a SD plugin for it
@@Evitrea blender has it already and its pretty good even has an image to 3d plane mode
@@drekenproductions Blender is garbage as a game engine so that's out of the scope here
I think we'll see a bit of both. When new tech comes out, there will always be those who use it honestly and those who abuse it.
i'm personally more in the team "do every bit of art yourself!"
i like hand-crafted games. especially games who use traditional animation!
My problem with AI art is precisely how the people behind it are feeding the AI database with, which is hundreds of thousands of pieces of art made by humans with no consent and no return at all. The "tool" isn't the AI, it's us, the people using it. We are training the AI to decide what is considered good and what not.
I wish, the guys behind these "tools" considered giving artists an option or a revenue to the artist's artworks being used to train their machine. Which, obviously, they wouldn't. Also, if everything is considered good, then none of it is.
Theoretically, the most humane and respectful AI database will collect just Public Domain information, which is at the same time a huge amount of it. Honestly, I don't know what to think about AI utilizing my work for an instance, because I can't get mad at someone making artistic studies based on my work, and diffusion models are making a restoration-type of work from noise with help of a description, not a recreation of a thought process behind creative decisions and not brushstrokes. Diffusion models will not replace entry-level artists in nearest future, and to be honest they are able to help them to achieve better results (both through photobashing and by providing references) and certainly will not replace experienced artists.
Also my early concerns were more about randomly receiving perfect recreation of someone's original artwork and though it is technically possible, it will be somewhat like randomly finding a page from a book on libraryofbabel - extremely impressive, yet still flawed with artifacts of AI generation.
Hundreds of thousands is not the scale you should be thinking on, it's closer to hundreds of billions. I agree that it'd be fair to pay & credit the artist for their work, but it's just not possible at any scale needed to train decent AI. If every artist had their payment info online at exactly the same place then you could, but with that many artists they wouldn't even make a single cent per person
Meh, people straight up copying them is a bigger problem than an some AI using 0.0001% of your pic as an inspiration for generating stuff. I mean it's already hard enough for me to find the original artist of something too so it's not really worth it.
Can't you say the same thing for people? Artists look at stuff online for free and take things from it without the authors consent
@@geemcspankinson this
But the code isn't made with AI, luckily there is an AI called OpenAI codex which can code for you
codes for you like an unpaid intern who doesnt speak the same language as you codes for you
@@sp.n7401 what?
@@sp.n7401 Do you even understand what I comment?
@@sp.n7401 so kind, of like an artist who can't speak your language... kind of like AI art generation tools?
I will say though that qc is much more critical in code, since most people can do the QC for art generation themselves.
@@sp.n7401 bo burnham reference?
ive actually had ideas for ai generated content to be used for horror or something unsettling
exhibit A. "this spongebob theory was ai generated"
Already exists
@@IrisWasTaken1 that's why it's exhibit a
Bro... I wanted to see the solved puzzle... The end hurts my autistic little brain 😭
Same.
Autism is not funny. Do you really have autism? I bet you don't.
@@TheaPeanut_69old sorry for offending you with that mate 😔 you are right on that... Should have picked other words. Comes from the fact that a lot of people say "everyone is a little autistic" i know it's not true so thanks for the clarification buddy ☺️
When I checked newest image generators this year first thing I thought "Oh, imagine how many kickstarter scams it will make possible"
But interacting with it I saw a lot of different opportunities on freeing up time from photohunting for textures and generating advertisements and packages for filling scenes with details. Now, AI is firmly incorporated in my workflow and I'll be honest, working with it can be both harder and faster, harder because it is different type of workflow where you basically engage in a dialog with an RNG faster because it can happen between your active working sessions, harder because it requires me to learn and copy it's style to touch up parts I'm not happy with to finish the job, faster because I'm not doing all of it. For a lot of artists AI in it's current form will not be a handy solution, same about 3d posing functionality for reference poses and 3d backgrounds, 3d models for armor and objects e.t.c.
But I personally see AI generated images as a mean to speed up the work of indie productions for extremely low price.
I don't really see how "Cheap low effort cash grabs" can get worse than asset flipping though, so I'm quite comfortable with assuming that it will get quite bad, but not in a worst way in history. We all saw how low it can get, and I'm pretty sure hitting new low will be pretty hard.
TL/DR: AI is a cool tool that will help to make cool games, it can't get worse than uninspired asset flips with no user input.
I hope Ai doesn't take off too much. It could get rid of lots of people's jobs
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How did people adapt back then?
Then we need more things t work in
By the time we have AGI, its all over. The AI overlords are upon us.
It will
the fact that people are getting humiliated by ai is worrying.
The ai learns from those people though
@@SMD965OFFICIAL The commenter obviously has a condition known as smooth brain. Go easy on them.
@@SMD965OFFICIAL And it got much better than those people though.
clickbait title, lol ;)
Personally I'm looking forward to AI generated sound effects, I think that would be really amazing for small game developers and for gamejams
You can technically already generate sfx with tools like sfxr
@@dsgamedev9434 Right, I meant more in the style of prompt to sound effect
I actually hate this ai thing. People thought robots will take over simple jobs and what not. They left the simple jobs and took over real art. The fact that ai can make actually good "art" whether it be 3d models images or even music is scary for me..like i wanna have a job when i graduate bro
But, it does help you to make finished art faster. You can make a rough prototype with the AI, and finalize yourself. Most AI makes small and/or blurry images, so there is definitely room for improvement.
@@JoeEnderman in a matter of weeks hell months even they made AI that can make 3D models after the whole turn your words to images trend thing. Imagine how long it will take for AI to make clear blurry images. Its great for inspiration. Not good for the whole job thingy. Though i would want to see how this plays out
@@Divo_dev The thing is... we humans invented visual art precisely because just saying the words to another person (or a machine) doesn't convey the same thing as *showing* them an image of what's in your head. I can tell you from experience, I've been told what a senior designer wanted a 3D model to look like, and a freaking 500 word email didn't get the point across as well as him just drawing up a quick sketch and shooting it my way. I was producing *good* art, but not as close to the *right* art that he had in mind.
AI will undoubtedly outpace humans at producing photorealistic art of real things, because photography already does that, but it can't see what's in your imagination. The whole point of artistic expression is to convey things that go beyond words.
@@Cryptic0013 hmm. Well that kinda gave me hope lmao. I guess youre right though.
@@Divo_dev I believe the human part will be necessary for a long time. For now, the ai is simply another tool in our box. AI just simply can't function the way movies show, at least not for a while. Computers simply function differently.
I saw video on yt where someone trained AI on car riding on some closed road in GTA V and the result was that AI kinda recreated this this section and when you moved left then AI generated images that were looking like you would move left etc..
For some reason the first time I clicked on this video it didn't have any audio and I thought you tried to convey your point entirely through gameplay and like 3 screenshots
Video: "AI generated game are interesting, maybe some problems"
Title: *"AI generated game are RUINING steam"*
Yeah, the vid had a lot of fluffy general statements and was pretty light on specifics.
Can't wait for R* to announce how gtaVI was made by an AI, lol
how do we know u aren’t an AI
shhh
Hey yikes
@@PolyMarsTalks Is there something you aren't telling us, PolyMars?
@@PolyMarsTalks we got you ;)
finally i can make a a game without getting a university degree with 5 years of game devolopment
You been able to do that forever
@@goatpepperherbaltea7895 no
@@PalliTulehdus Yes
You can literally just pick up Unity and be making minigames over the weekend. The only people who need a university degree in game design to make money in game development are the people teaching game design at university.
Ai generated games? More like “use the works of people who have not consented to this in order to make garbage with 0 effort”
Me when no steam greenlight
Both, like always.
Just like when the commercialization of cameras happened or 3D rendering softwares became affordable...
More crap,
More masterpieces,
More.
Ai imagining things is almost the same as randomizing images
Almost as if it's emulating our thought processes...
@@PefectPiePlace2 the AI that is randomizing images is not selecting these images that it is using as template on purpose
what inputs are you inputtig in dalle2??
Is this why I've been seeing so many Nudity Games on the Store?
i personally dont like the ideo of artificial inteligence taking out parts of the creativity and fun of game development or art in general further demerriting the effort game designers put in to their games.
AI’s really bad for artists. I sincerely hope it doesn’t catch on.
It's a measure that will be necessary to remove the influx of the things that's known as modern art
The blank canvas, the Yellow Square in the middle of a white background aren't gonna Impress me or worth 1 million USD or something like that
Watching you fail at that puzzle prevented me from paying attention to what you were saying, forcing me to rewatch the video. Good work 👍
Game engine to create AI
AI creates game engine
watching you play the puzzle broke my mind bro its so easy
Title and video have nothing to do with each other
It's fun how ai generation makes Perfect png's for horror games
idk man gpt3 fr be writing all my c# code now
Bro this gameplay makes me so mad it literally shows the picture 😭
I wouldn't be surprised if half of the garbage mobile games are made with ai
something like makeup run 3d or some shit
no pure skill in making games without fake assets
i also look for "survival horror games" a lot
sounds like a useful tool that if used right can make your game better but also let people who dont know how to use it make worse stuff
Ai generated stuff is a way for devs to be lazy. It'll likely make the shit be more common and diamonds be better
man, this shit has not slowed down at all. Soooo many games (and their reviews) are ai generated now :/
I assumed this video would me about something relating to minecraft, and AI generated games related to minecraft. I was left dissapointed after watching
"So I was browsing Steam the other day, looking for a furry dating s- survival horror game, as one does." _do you have something to tell us, PolyMars?_
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh. I hate it so much.
New opportunities for low effort games, yay.
It's all we wanted- making games from text prompts. That's the thrill of gamedev. Type two words and get a game. That's how you win gamejams now, yay.
It won't be like that for a long time lol, even generating anything right now isn't perfect, game development is precise and the best art AI isn't particularly good for a consistent art style (unless you want people to see art assets that look blatantly AI generated)
Of course. We' ll just make ai to filter shovel ware
AI art is made from taking random images and meshing them together until it looks like something, I feel like it’s just a tool that at the full extreme should only be used as an idea maker, if used as a replacement, it will make nothing but garbage. I do not see value in it other than what I’ve stated before, using it as a replacement for art isn’t a good idea, it would be better to ask a friend or just get a free asset pack, because at least it’s something that isn’t just a hodgepodge of others’ work. I also think AI art should be treated the same way tracing or stealing is, it’s just less apparent to where the source is from.
0:01 you mind repeating that?🤨
You say “ai generated games are RUINING STEAM” then proceed to praise the ai generated game
the things AI can do is 100% than the asset flip shitpile that is 90% of steam early access
except with unique assets. In practice ists not going to be much different, might allow solo devs who excel at programming but are bad at art, yet willing to iterate on it, do better though.
0:35 you use ai image generation for thumbnails? Damn, you managed to make unethical thumbnails
One day the AI will make the indie games and we shall be doomed. We must delete AI from the world as soon as possible so our shitty code can get stolen!
No, just balance between the usage of AI and human
the intro 🤨
furry dat- survival horror game?
God I won't have a job when I grow up.
A.I. already helps the industry way back, from programming pathfinders, bots, detection, etc. (I call this fake A.I.), and to think that training computers to automate everything was a big step to mankind. I think depending too much on this tech won't actually kill the jobs of carbon based lifeforms in the future, as A.I. always has its flaws and they're always not too perfect.
It's funny that you call that "fake AI" since all of "AI" is just fake. True AI for the foreseeable future is nothing but science fiction. What we have, while impressive at what they do, are quite limited machine learning algorithm programs.
He may not post on his main but he atleast has it hear
wowie jam had some ai generated games
Two assets of my game are AI generated
i got jebaited
Well, I heard that Steam is now banning games with AI generated images. So no.
Currently making a survival horror game rn:)!
yes.
AIG games are NOT ruining Steam. Anti-AI zealots ARE ruining creative freedom.
As with a bunch of these tools the licensing and legal bullshit set up around them will make it easier for anyone who isn't paying attention to the licensing and legal implications of the tools they're using to make games, while only making it marginally cheaper for the people who are actually paying attention.
It will bring in mostly low effort garbage, and when some game does become successful using these tools there will be a highly controversial lawsuit about it as the people who made the ai take all the money from the people who actually put effort into the game
Indeed. Especially since you can't copyright the content generated by these AI. It's really not going to be any 'worse' than (or all that different from) the existing issue of people going around glomming up cheap and free asset packs and using them to churn out low-effort games.
He didnt complete the puzzle 😭
Damn, didnt know AI can now make games. Just not like humans tho
minds carph
The title is clickbait. You never said that in the video.
man i do too love furry dating survival horror games
This is a asset on the unity asset store I used it for my game "Tegridy Puzzles"
Good idea for a game, i guess, but its just a unity asset flip....
Not entirely AI generated
Like mine was lol
I think most will be simple games made by AI
It's kinda funny, that I am gifted in art but logical thinking is my major weakness, so programming is off limits until I cram it into my brain somehow. Seeing AI excell in all the things I'm good at, I'm starting to feel like I'm becoming useless in this world.
im on the other end where i can program and think logically but got no talent in art
I hate computers so much
Current AI solutions, and I believe for a long time any AI solution, cannot create consistent art. If you need the same scene from two different shots, or the same character, you cannot do that. This is because I think the AI right now works by having a bunch of noise that is common to the template, and then denoises it, filling in the details differently each time (which I believe is where the bulk of the AI comes in). I am not an expert on this though, just read up some stuff.
Most likely it will help smaller developers that cannot get their hands on art to begin with, as well as help with prototyping. It will probably hurt artists to some degree, but at the same time, might help artists prototype faster too.
Just trying to provide a slightly more optimistic viewpoint of it. I am aware that things might not turn out like this at all :/
@@anopeygame5843 you just need to learn ai a bit more. i have ai tools that can repair blurry photos and i can also create a very similar likeness using the ai and tell it that i want it to stay 90-95% similar to original image and it will just fill in details instead of changing the face structure. theres some ai already in the works for animating the faces but it does not look very good yet. i think those are another year or 2 down the line but microsoft just came out with a cool face re-creator
@@anopeygame5843 yeah, ai can make something that looks very similar but can't recreate every detail with precision,like i saw it make images of a character but it missed a major detail in all of them
They seem to be able to create good looking images but lack consistency
As someone who's not an artist, I think it'll be great! Lowers the barrier to entry.
Kinda clickbait title ngl
We continue to sacrifice the value of peoples and their work at the alter of capitalism. AI and robots and engineering should be used to replace jobs no one wants to free people up from work, not to replace creative fields. Instead we all work more hours for less money and consume mass produced bullshit while corporations rake in record profits. AI art can die in a ditch and the world will be better off
Exactly !
I will make the game that you want
Well this is some Very obvius clickbait, You said its ruining steam, and then dont In the video?
both
I WANT MIND CRAFT
Bad at puzzles
honestly... wouldn't be surprised if we got to the point where we can pay some money for computing and then let the AI make games for us based on whatever we want, just ask and they'll make a game in a while (assuming that you don't have any queues or anything like that)
Is no one going to talk about how he was looking for a furry game?
Furry Tower Defense I think.
Hello
So the video looks at AI positive, why make a negative title? Of course AI can ruin anything just like any other tool when people take shortcuts or use with bad intentions.
polymars more like poly-furry 😃😃😃😃😃😃😃😃
very epic
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click bait ...
FURRY DATING SURVIVAL HORROR GAME
As a friend of the author of this game, we're happy to see it featured here :D
cool topic, got distracted by that garbage puzzle solving though. how are you so bad. makes me think you were doing it on purpose, like AI is cool and all but i need to know the inner mechanisms of your brain.
Clickbait