Hey guys so I made a mistake in the video that I’ve realized now I’m that you should take 366 and double it until you get higher values that suits your song. So basically you would keep doubling the quarter note to get suitable times. My apologies went through this a bit to fast but the information is right here for you !
Mixing should"nt always be about calculation you cant calculate a feeling it comes from listening while making adjustments sometimes the best sounding feeling on reverb is actually opposite of your math setting bro feeling by listening is the key
this video is priceless... My old engineer in the 90's use to pull out his calculator in the studio behind the SSL board and ofcourse he wouldn't share what he was doing. he kept the secret to himself lol. appreciate you
Someone let me know about a technique you might wanna try out - it may be what your engineer was doing, who knows. Use this formula to get an optimal pre-delay setting... 60,000 ➗ BPM ➗ 4 ➗ 4 = $$ I still don't really have a well-developed ear for mixing (😣) so all I can tell you is that when I've used it, it didn't sound awful or anything. Give it a shot though and see if it works for you..
That's how you know hes actually a hack at his job, people who are actually good at their jobs arent scared of letting the tricks go because theres more to it than that
@@jeremiahmaryland Sometimes doing it by ears will give better results, mixing is not a empiric science, some kind of natural imperfection can actually help a mix sound better
RT60 Rule never better explained! 366 milliseconds, the time that passes until the reverb tail has dropped to the thousandth part, by -60dB! I am studying music production and this is almost my hole lesson on reverb explained in 6 minutes. So much time spared, many many thanks!
I've heard of calculating delay times, but never reverb times. Searching thru tutorials is like panning for gold. Most days- nothing, but today I found a nugget! You're a great teacher. Thanks!
My young talented brother, YOU are BY FAR one of THE MOST influential, informative and thorough tutors of any craft or skills whom I've EVER learned from in my 55 years of life and 30 + years of music!!!! Salute!!! 👊🏽
In all seriousness, ur doing great work here Devon! I’ve been subbed to you for over a month now, watched every video and I can really hear the progression in my music from your vids. Thank you so much... I am a sophomore at FullSail University in Winter park FL, and I’m a Music Production Major and I feel like within a month, you’ve taught me more things then they have in a better way, because everything you’re saying sticks like cement, and no shade to FullSail- But I wish more of my professors could teach like you. Keep doing your thing King! I’ll see you at the top, largely thanks to you!
Bro my mind is literally blown away, i'm so impressed. Lost me a couple of times with the math cause it aint my strong suit but i do understand the overall explanation. Your beat sounds dope too. Thanks for the info has helped me understand Delay and feedback like 200% better. Much appreciated!
first time in my life that learned something useful about reverb. all i have been doing is turning knobs and wondering why it does not sound good. thanks for that!!!
I remember my music teacher telling me that the ADSR should be set based on the 1/4,1/2 or other host BPM note timings. That became more apparent when setting the decay times of 808s or synths according to the note timings I wanted - if I needed a bar, I just calculated that amount for my BPM and set it to that. Before that I would go 'by ear', and would either fail all together or just take way too much time to get the desired setting. Thank you for elucidating the concept of reverb and giving us this guideline! It's really great when you can have formulas/computational guidelines to aid your decisions. I don't think this kills creativity or the artistic flair of mixing/making music, contrary to that, it gives you indications on how things are supposed to be done and why they're done in such a way. This brings structure into our thinking process and then into our music which imho is an indispensable tool.
Other than the 366ms (which is 0.366s), this is a fantastic tutorial. We all make mistakes, esp. when doing something live like this. Again, excellent tutorial and thank you for sharing.
agreed, and perhaps, in this kind of situation, it helps to at least lock on to a multiple of that number. If not mathematically inclined, people are still getting the best idea of this timing technique, and then they can go by ear from there. Come to think of it, timing not only reverb and delays, but compressors, filters, anything that can be automated can help not only in mixing and mastering, but in production as well. It's all creativity from there.
I always end up coming to your videos when I’m stuck can tell you’re a genuine guy who cares about your viewers, no bs or gimmicks just concise content & I appreciate that it’s harder to find such quality nowadays.
I've been totally mystified about Reverb time and pre-delay settings literally FOREVER! This brilliant technique is something every mixing engineer absolutely NEEDS to know! Thanks to your generous tutorial, now I finally know! I appreciate it more than words can express! Thanks a googolplex! Best of Karma to YOU Forever!
Great Video! *Everyone Watching* make sure you understand he failed at attempting to convert milliseconds to seconds but we should all just assume that this is a typo and possess the knowledge on how to convert milliseconds to seconds. Creating videos takes a lot of work, technical videos none the less and its very hard to account for everything sometimes!
I played this video about a year ago and waved it away as one of those rhetorics that complicate the music-making process. Now that I realised the significance of the right delay the video makes an unquantifiable degree of sense. Thanks, man.
Bro, I had been doing music for years creating. I have NEVER been a fan of reverb or pre-reverb. That's because I never really focused on the "VOCALS" before and hardly ever used it in creating beats. This was GREAT knowledge and I have over 25 years experience making beats for fun. That is so sad to type (admitting my faults in the game), however, it's true. I've just came back in the game and needed to see this as I'm recording drop outs for my DJ set and this is super helpful. Thanks for the info, bro! YOU are the man! By the way, you might want to save this post from me. I will be a World famous DJ soon. Believe that! No joke!
If you want the calculation to give you reverb time in seconds, divide 60 (not 60,000) by the BPM and you will get the timing of a quarter note in seconds. EXAMPLE: with a BPM of 120 (2 beats per second), dividing 60 by 120 gives 0.5 = 1/2 second per beat/quarter note. Setting that figure in the decay window will give you a reverb length of a quarter note. Thanks for the video :)
Good tutorial man. I made the mistake of drowning everything with long reverb tails for years. I finally started paying more attention to this, and it makes a world of difference.
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Dope video dude. To make it even easier, just convert the ms to seconds from the jump: 600/tempo = quarter note (in seconds) 300/tempo = eighth note (in seconds) 150/tempo = sixteenth note (in seconds) *Yeah I'm a nerd and graduated Val 😂
This is a good video and I'm sure you helped a lot of people. You just got lost on that decimal for a moment. The quarter is 0.366 of a second (366 milliseconds). Most songs fit nicely with a reverb that is a full note which is simply your quarter * 4 = 1.464 in this case. But multiples of that quarter note work well too because they stay in rhythm, so a 5/4 note would be 1.830 secs which is about where you had it so it sounds pleasing too. As you suggest, this stuff is also very handy for figuring out your reverb pre delay, so it allows the vocal through before the slush begins. Usually works well at around 1/32 which would be 46ms in this case. You went with the slower 1/16 but I find that it tends to be too much of a gap if you are doing other stuff to control the slush (like eq, ducking). Starts to feel unnatural, like the reverb kicks in too late. As you suggested, this math is also handy to use in a delay unit if it doesn't convert automatically, and any other time-delayed unit that goes by ms like maybe chorus, phaser, etc. Not too crazy to just redo this video to correct that math part. You do a good job in explaining things, but giving people the wrong math can be more confusing than where they started.
Dang bro really inspired me to get to ive used reverbs' presets and turned up wet/dry knob and never really knew what i was doing, thanks bro for making it simple!
This means that the first example was 10 quarter notes (AKA: 2 and a half bars, 3.66 seconds) and not 1 quarter note, right? And the 2nd example is therefore 5 quarter notes (AKA: 1 bar and a quarter). They're still in time but seem like strange time intervals considering what is being said by Devon.
I know very little about actual music theory, but mathematically speaking, what you're saying sounds right. I don't know much about reverb either, but if you were writing lyrics using a 5 quarter note scheme, it will resync at the end of the 5th bar, which can be a cool effect. I imagine you might be able to use that idea for other effects too.
@@WishfulCreation Nice idea to do it with lyrics. I imagine it could be very cool with a delay too. Unfortunately, with reverb, it will never resync because it is always dying after 5 quarter notes (1.25 bars). So each time a sound is made new reverb is produced and die out after the 5 quarter notes.
As a mathematician who's into music making, I must say this video was very pleasing to watch. Everything can be made better if you use mathematics. Cheers bro :)
Finally someone who understand meaning of reverb-delay time and apply it in the right way, I'm sick of bunch of YT videos where people just tweak reverb's knobs without basic knowledge what they are doing just to make more viewers on YT. Keep up good work man, I'm subbed ;) Wish you all best!
Great tip!! Have you ever thought of sending the reverb to a bus and then side chain compressing the reverb to the dry vocal? So it completely cuts the reverb out when the vocal signal is playing.This always makes my tracks sound really clean, on top of timing the reverb as well.
I am maths teacher plus producer. Its good to see you discover this :) under every rock, behind every curtain....sorry but you find mathematics :) good to see you brother
I just do bpm of the song divided by 60, then it's real easy to define how much ms it takes 'per beat'... for instance, 120bpm /60 = 2 => this is 2 beats per second, which is 1 beat per 500ms. Done. This is a lot less confusing, and for most would be a more logical approach. I determined this calculation for myself before I read about it, cause it's simply determining how many ms 'per beat' the song is playing at. So you just determine first how many beats per second, and then it's already transparent how many ms you've got 'per beat'... When I heard about this 60000 thing afterwards I still kept using my own approach. Still do.
Your way makes you do 2 calculations though. It works out fine with 120bpm because it's easy to determine "2 beats per second, which is 1 beat per 500ms" in your head. But try doing that with 73bpm for example. 73bpm / 60 = 1.2167 So how many milliseconds is that? You can't tell based on that number, so you have to divide 1 by 1.2167 to get the number of milliseconds. 1 / 1.2167 = 0.822 or 822ms Using 60,000 saves you a step on your calculator and does it all in just one step. 60,000 / 73 = 822ms DONE! :)
Basically that 366 gives you a unit to work with. You can halve it or double as much as you want to get the right sound. Also incase anyone wondering why 60,000. 1000 ms in a second and 60 seconds in a minute (beats per MINUTE). 1000 x 60 = 60,000
Dude you are great! However, you should rethink your content before uploading! Your math is totally wrong! Reverb decay 1.83s IS NOT 183ms! Reverb decay are usually longer than delay time! In this case 1/4 not 366ms is not 3.66s that is why it sounded so long 3660 ms that is Thanks and again great content!
Yeah that bothered me when I saw it the concept is good he just didn't do it right a 1/4 note is quite a short amount of time so that should have told him he input the wrong thing
Dude you just helped me out so much. My reverbs were terrible and therefore adde muddiness to my mix. I didnt know what any of the controls meant! Now I do and I know how to calculate the perfect reverb! OFF THIS VID ALONE, I SUBBED!
You made a little mistake man. you calculated 366ms but in the plugin you set 3.66 seconds...366ms would .366sec...thats why your reverb was still to long. Good video tho. Edit: changing the predelay also changes the sound of the reverb cause ur are getting more reflections and less direct sound. the brightness on the vocal you get are the reflections
You fail to convert milliseconds to seconds. .366ms converts to 3.66 seconds. So he's actually right. Music is nothing but math in action. If not good in math you're not going to be a very good producer or engineer.
I'm sorry. But I think the concept of using a reverb is misunderstood here. It is not a tool to make things bigger or "glue" things together per se. Its made to simulate a room/space. Within that process you can create the illusion of making vocals big. The length of the reverb with all its other parameters create the size of a room. The pre delay is the simulated distance from the listening point to the source. Up close is a long pre delay, you will hear the dry signal first, the room comes after. The further away things are, the less pre delay. That is just the natural physics of how sound reacts in a room. Think of me bouncing a basket ball at the gymnasium right in front of you, and bouncing it again on the other side of the field. Go out there yourself when you can, bring some friends and do this ball bounce simulation. Record it! Use that recording as a reference track. Even crazier, put the recordings in the convolution reverb... 0.366 second long would be a VERY short reverb. It would sound more like the gated reverb that was used in the 80's. Never the less, the synced pre delay is a great way to get this huge sounding vocals without muddying the shit up and timing it in the right spot. happy mixing my friend!
no, not all reverbs are made to simulate a room. please do your research on digital vs acoustic reverbs before spouting your shite in the comments. plate reverbs have been the standard vocal reverb since the 60s
he's not looking to define exaclty what a literal defintion of reverb is, he's defining it in a way which is very useful and unique for music production, which is the point of his video.
No shite sherlock, I have actually studied natural reverb's. Had to write an essay about it to earn my master degree in audio engineering. Instead of criticizing him on the timing error, I gave him fairly good advice on how to take his study in audio engineering/mixing a step further.
Great Stuff my bredda. You probably should have explained why you converted to seconds using 3.66 vs 0.366 to clear up any confusions but I did a little research and this info is GOLD. Thank you
I'd been screwing with reverb timing forever. As I watched this video, I started editing my reverb in a Cubase project I'd always had issues with. Now those vocals really sit well in the mix. I used this along with your vocal presence trick. Your videos are awesome man and can be applied to any song in any DAW. Keep up the good work!
Man, this is the most helpful video on reverb I have ever seen! Thank you so much for the information, it has helped my signal chain in ways that are unexplainable in one comment. Keep it coming bro!
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If you having that much trouble with the "math" judt use your delay and put in 1/8 and it automatically gives you the ms
I was searching on RUclips for this other devvon who did funny News report, but I didn't know his last name so it said "Devvon Terrell". I just clicked on it and ever since then I been a big fan man. Now look how you motivated me to try doing RUclips covers but I don't know what tool or how to edit so youtube gave this video suggestions. Not only did you inspire me but now I'm learning from you. Can life get any better
That was so funny. Simple mistake, happens to the best. But this guy explained for 5 minutes that we're calculating the length of a quarternote and he isn't weirded out at all, that a quarternote is apparently almost 4 seconds long :D still good video tho
Your math is wrong. you made your reverb tail 3.66 seconds long. A 3.66 second 1/4 note would mean that a single measure would be almost 15 seconds long. At 164 bpm a single measure is roughly 3 and a half seconds long. You need to put the decimal before the 3 which moves your last six to the thousands place because a millisecond is 1/1000 of a second. "0.366" Having used 3.66 seconds as your 1/4 note, your math to get an eighth note is completely meaningless. Had you used the actual length of a 1/4 note, 0.366 seconds, you would have found that your reverb was actually too short, partially because a 1/4 note reverb is almost imperceptible in the context of a vocal, but also because there is actually a half note between the end of each line and the beginning of the next in you song, not an eighth note. This means that you actually need to double from 0.366 to 0.722 which is still very short and less than half the 1.8 second time you end up using. A better method would be to just tune the reverb timing by ear, put an eq after the reverb on your reverb bus and eq out any muddiness, and finally, if completely necessary, use some ducking on the reverb tail to get it out of the way of your next line. Also..."Circumulus" not a word...
That's probably the best music production tutorial channel I've ever found. Your passion and clarity in explaining those things is amazing. Keep on doing it! Love it!
@@VilOzBec or set your session to the bpm of the beat and load a delay plugin like H delay that shows delay times in notes and MS. for example 1/4 note can be seen as 250 ms or whatever...
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@HELP ME DEVVON Thank you for sharing your knowledge to the audio community. There is an app for MacOS called musicMath that figures out all this for you by just typing in the tempo of the song. For anyone interested in simplifying your work flow even further. I've attached the links. Both Calculators are FREE! Web-based Calculator : musiccalculator.com Mac App: dev.laurentcolson.com/musicmath.html
Dude?! I watched this, jaw dropped, gasping. SUBSCRIBE! THANK YOU SO MUCH! I CANNOT WAIT TO TRY THIS IN MY MIX! be back soon to see what else you got! What a gift! So fantastically crystallized. Bravo man!
I discovered you a short time ago... I've been making beats for a while now too... all your video productions are so simple, easy to understand and efficient !!.. thank you very much.
I've been watching a few of your vids all day today, Thank you for your concise and detailed explanation and examples and time for making this, I speak on behalf on thousands. Much appreciated
I love the texture of that vocal. the verb makes it extra sweet, before I ask im gonna check your channel for how to get great vox like that, Tight tip yo!
Best production vid I seen in months, you gave game, and educated us at the same time, very useful info, love how your brain works. Just gained a new subscriber!
It was so much helpfull bro ... I have seen reverb tutorial but out of all this was best .... at least i can start setting up properly before my ears are trained ... hank you once again God bless you
i amnot that kinda guy who always writes comments. I came across your video really accidentally and at the end of the first minute, I said 'naaah, what can I learn from this guy?'. before closing the tab, wanted to check comments and saw your comment about your mistake. and i was like what did ı say to you, it's time wasting. and then countinued reading other comments and i was shocked with these nice comments, then wanted to keep watching and banggg. I cant imagine how precious detail i got from you. thanks for kicking my ass and accept my sorry for my prejudice. this is the longest comment of my 10 years youtube history. keep up your great work despite jerks like me bro.
This was hugely helpful...stumbled onto your videos and every one of them has something that I've been able to put to use right away on the mixes I'm working on as I put in the hours to becoming better. Thank you. More please!
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Hey guys so I made a mistake in the video that I’ve realized now I’m that you should take 366 and double it until you get higher values that suits your song. So basically you would keep doubling the quarter note to get suitable times. My apologies went through this a bit to fast but the information is right here for you !
Help Me Devvon could you make another video on this topic just gone more clear??
Can you mix a track for me bro??
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Mixing should"nt always be about calculation you cant calculate a feeling it comes from listening while making adjustments sometimes the best sounding feeling on reverb is actually opposite of your math setting bro feeling by listening is the key
We make mistake and we learn from it...
this video is priceless... My old engineer in the 90's use to pull out his calculator in the studio behind the SSL board and ofcourse he wouldn't share what he was doing. he kept the secret to himself lol. appreciate you
Same pinch...
Someone let me know about a technique you might wanna try out - it may be what your engineer was doing, who knows. Use this formula to get an optimal pre-delay setting...
60,000 ➗ BPM ➗ 4 ➗ 4 = $$
I still don't really have a well-developed ear for mixing (😣) so all I can tell you is that when I've used it, it didn't sound awful or anything. Give it a shot though and see if it works for you..
lmao I commented before watching the video - sorry.. 😅
@@SineEyed BPM/7500 get perfect pre delay everytime
That's how you know hes actually a hack at his job, people who are actually good at their jobs arent scared of letting the tricks go because theres more to it than that
I learned more about reverb in this video than I had in 6 years of watching other tutorials.
You are a legend.
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you said it mate! Great Video
Learnt, Applied.
You should watch my page on it you will be surprise how to truly craft a sound from reverb
And same here for 6 years of my Degree studies 😂
After so many years of just doing it by ear i can finally understand this
Mak 7EVEN Man this made me want to go back and re do so many mixes lol
Mak 7EVEN yes my point exactly now you can have a method that can help you every time
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@@jeremiahmaryland Sometimes doing it by ears will give better results, mixing is not a empiric science, some kind of natural imperfection can actually help a mix sound better
RT60 Rule never better explained! 366 milliseconds, the time that passes until the reverb tail has dropped to the thousandth part, by -60dB!
I am studying music production and this is almost my hole lesson on reverb explained in 6 minutes. So much time spared, many many thanks!
I thought my Sound Engineer was adding up the money I owed for the session I’ll be damned.
LOL
I've heard of calculating delay times, but never reverb times. Searching thru tutorials is like panning for gold. Most days- nothing, but today I found a nugget! You're a great teacher. Thanks!
Devvon!!! This was phenomenal!
Bruh stop apologizing for your explanations. They are the real deal! God bless!
My young talented brother, YOU are BY FAR one of THE MOST influential, informative and thorough tutors of any craft or skills whom I've EVER learned from in my 55 years of life and 30 + years of music!!!! Salute!!! 👊🏽
In all seriousness, ur doing great work here Devon! I’ve been subbed to you for over a month now, watched every video and I can really hear the progression in my music from your vids. Thank you so much... I am a sophomore at FullSail University in Winter park FL, and I’m a Music Production Major and I feel like within a month, you’ve taught me more things then they have in a better way, because everything you’re saying sticks like cement, and no shade to FullSail- But I wish more of my professors could teach like you. Keep doing your thing King! I’ll see you at the top, largely thanks to you!
Bro my mind is literally blown away, i'm so impressed. Lost me a couple of times with the math cause it aint my strong suit but i do understand the overall explanation. Your beat sounds dope too. Thanks for the info has helped me understand Delay and feedback like 200% better. Much appreciated!
first time in my life that learned something useful about reverb. all i have been doing is turning knobs and wondering why it does not sound good. thanks for that!!!
LMAOOOOO
I remember my music teacher telling me that the ADSR should be set based on the 1/4,1/2 or other host BPM note timings. That became more apparent when setting the decay times of 808s or synths according to the note timings I wanted - if I needed a bar, I just calculated that amount for my BPM and set it to that. Before that I would go 'by ear', and would either fail all together or just take way too much time to get the desired setting.
Thank you for elucidating the concept of reverb and giving us this guideline! It's really great when you can have formulas/computational guidelines to aid your decisions. I don't think this kills creativity or the artistic flair of mixing/making music, contrary to that, it gives you indications on how things are supposed to be done and why they're done in such a way. This brings structure into our thinking process and then into our music which imho is an indispensable tool.
Other than the 366ms (which is 0.366s), this is a fantastic tutorial. We all make mistakes, esp. when doing something live like this.
Again, excellent tutorial and thank you for sharing.
agreed, and perhaps, in this kind of situation, it helps to at least lock on to a multiple of that number. If not mathematically inclined, people are still getting the best idea of this timing technique, and then they can go by ear from there. Come to think of it, timing not only reverb and delays, but compressors, filters, anything that can be automated can help not only in mixing and mastering, but in production as well. It's all creativity from there.
I thought I was the only one who noticed that lol
I always end up coming to your videos when I’m stuck can tell you’re a genuine guy who cares about your viewers, no bs or gimmicks just concise content & I appreciate that it’s harder to find such quality nowadays.
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I've been totally mystified about Reverb time and pre-delay settings literally FOREVER!
This brilliant technique is something every mixing engineer absolutely NEEDS to know!
Thanks to your generous tutorial, now I finally know! I appreciate it more than words can express!
Thanks a googolplex! Best of Karma to YOU Forever!
Great Video! *Everyone Watching* make sure you understand he failed at attempting to convert milliseconds to seconds but we should all just assume that this is a typo and possess the knowledge on how to convert milliseconds to seconds. Creating videos takes a lot of work, technical videos none the less and its very hard to account for everything sometimes!
I played this video about a year ago and waved it away as one of those rhetorics that complicate the music-making process. Now that I realised the significance of the right delay the video makes an unquantifiable degree of sense. Thanks, man.
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been doing this reverb thing for 25+ years. this makes great sense. thanks my brother
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Bro, I had been doing music for years creating. I have NEVER been a fan of reverb or pre-reverb. That's because I never really focused on the "VOCALS" before and hardly ever used it in creating beats. This was GREAT knowledge and I have over 25 years experience making beats for fun. That is so sad to type (admitting my faults in the game), however, it's true. I've just came back in the game and needed to see this as I'm recording drop outs for my DJ set and this is super helpful. Thanks for the info, bro! YOU are the man!
By the way, you might want to save this post from me. I will be a World famous DJ soon. Believe that! No joke!
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If you want the calculation to give you reverb time in seconds, divide 60 (not 60,000) by the BPM and you will get the timing of a quarter note in seconds. EXAMPLE: with a BPM of 120 (2 beats per second), dividing 60 by 120 gives 0.5 = 1/2 second per beat/quarter note. Setting that figure in the decay window will give you a reverb length of a quarter note.
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Dude you just took me a 45 year old singer to another level with my delay techniques legitimate bro thank you so nuch.
This is why we need a professional audio engineer, not just a producer.
Good tutorial man. I made the mistake of drowning everything with long reverb tails for years. I finally started paying more attention to this, and it makes a world of difference.
This has to be the best song i heard from someone giving a tutorial
A lot of idiots just focus on mistakes, but fail to learn what dude is saying in the video. Amazing stuff man ❤️
Wow🤯...no more guess work. A few years in engineering class never taught me this. You da mayne!!
You Jxt Saved me from Muddy Verb Atmosphere ... And u also Saved me from Multiband Compressor Fears Thanks And Remain Blessed , I learnt and Still learning almost all mix Tricks from u , Much love from here Nigeria 🇳🇬, I hope you get to mix one of my Afro songs one day Thanks ♥️
So, no one will actually mention how amazingly this guy uses his body language :D
Dope video dude. To make it even easier, just convert the ms to seconds from the jump:
600/tempo = quarter note (in seconds)
300/tempo = eighth note (in seconds)
150/tempo = sixteenth note (in seconds)
*Yeah I'm a nerd and graduated Val 😂
10:16 my mans said circumbulous
This is a good video and I'm sure you helped a lot of people. You just got lost on that decimal for a moment. The quarter is 0.366 of a second (366 milliseconds). Most songs fit nicely with a reverb that is a full note which is simply your quarter * 4 = 1.464 in this case. But multiples of that quarter note work well too because they stay in rhythm, so a 5/4 note would be 1.830 secs which is about where you had it so it sounds pleasing too.
As you suggest, this stuff is also very handy for figuring out your reverb pre delay, so it allows the vocal through before the slush begins. Usually works well at around 1/32 which would be 46ms in this case. You went with the slower 1/16 but I find that it tends to be too much of a gap if you are doing other stuff to control the slush (like eq, ducking). Starts to feel unnatural, like the reverb kicks in too late.
As you suggested, this math is also handy to use in a delay unit if it doesn't convert automatically, and any other time-delayed unit that goes by ms like maybe chorus, phaser, etc.
Not too crazy to just redo this video to correct that math part. You do a good job in explaining things, but giving people the wrong math can be more confusing than where they started.
Dang bro really inspired me to get to ive used reverbs' presets and turned up wet/dry knob and never really knew what i was doing, thanks bro for making it simple!
366 ms is not the same as 3.66 seconds (6:00), there are 1,000 ms in a second, so 366 would be .366 seconds. :)
This means that the first example was 10 quarter notes (AKA: 2 and a half bars, 3.66 seconds) and not 1 quarter note, right? And the 2nd example is therefore 5 quarter notes (AKA: 1 bar and a quarter). They're still in time but seem like strange time intervals considering what is being said by Devon.
I think the pre-delay that he goes with is a sixteenth note
I know very little about actual music theory, but mathematically speaking, what you're saying sounds right. I don't know much about reverb either, but if you were writing lyrics using a 5 quarter note scheme, it will resync at the end of the 5th bar, which can be a cool effect. I imagine you might be able to use that idea for other effects too.
@@WishfulCreation Nice idea to do it with lyrics. I imagine it could be very cool with a delay too. Unfortunately, with reverb, it will never resync because it is always dying after 5 quarter notes (1.25 bars). So each time a sound is made new reverb is produced and die out after the 5 quarter notes.
WishfulCreation I wonder if it’s better to have the reverb equal 4 quarter notes then
I like the way you explained the theory of the relationship between speed and reverb ratios
As a mathematician who's into music making, I must say this video was very pleasing to watch. Everything can be made better if you use mathematics.
Cheers bro :)
Probably the only video on youtube that teaches you how to use reverb properly. You are saving lives. A lot of love man! :)
there should be a plugin that you'd just put on a channel, that would take the bpm project and just calculate in real time each time division
That would be called time-stretching, just about every DAW does that.
Finally someone who understand meaning of reverb-delay time and apply it in the right way, I'm sick of bunch of YT videos where people just tweak reverb's knobs without basic knowledge what they are doing just to make more viewers on YT.
Keep up good work man, I'm subbed ;)
Wish you all best!
Great tip!! Have you ever thought of sending the reverb to a bus and then side chain compressing the reverb to the dry vocal? So it completely cuts the reverb out when the vocal signal is playing.This always makes my tracks sound really clean, on top of timing the reverb as well.
Maybe an idea for one of your future videos!
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I love this video dude, straight and to the point. No filler. Thank you for existing.
You just got a new sub
The information you provide is always so unorthodox and different. Nobody else on youtube is providing this stuff! Thanks so much
Right on time Devvon. Another great tip with all the details and calculations we need, including that 60000. "Stay with me!" lol. Great stuff man.
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I am maths teacher plus producer. Its good to see you discover this :) under every rock, behind every curtain....sorry but you find mathematics :) good to see you brother
I just do bpm of the song divided by 60, then it's real easy to define how much ms it takes 'per beat'...
for instance, 120bpm /60 = 2 => this is 2 beats per second, which is 1 beat per 500ms. Done.
This is a lot less confusing, and for most would be a more logical approach.
I determined this calculation for myself before I read about it, cause it's simply determining how many ms 'per beat' the song is playing at.
So you just determine first how many beats per second, and then it's already transparent how many ms you've got 'per beat'...
When I heard about this 60000 thing afterwards I still kept using my own approach. Still do.
Your way makes you do 2 calculations though. It works out fine with 120bpm because it's easy to determine "2 beats per second, which is 1 beat per 500ms" in your head. But try doing that with 73bpm for example.
73bpm / 60 = 1.2167
So how many milliseconds is that? You can't tell based on that number, so you have to divide 1 by 1.2167 to get the number of milliseconds.
1 / 1.2167 = 0.822 or 822ms
Using 60,000 saves you a step on your calculator and does it all in just one step.
60,000 / 73 = 822ms
DONE! :)
Basically that 366 gives you a unit to work with. You can halve it or double as much as you want to get the right sound.
Also incase anyone wondering why 60,000. 1000 ms in a second and 60 seconds in a minute (beats per MINUTE). 1000 x 60 = 60,000
Dude you are great! However, you should rethink your content before uploading! Your math is totally wrong! Reverb decay 1.83s IS NOT 183ms!
Reverb decay are usually longer than delay time! In this case 1/4 not 366ms is not 3.66s that is why it sounded so long 3660 ms that is
Thanks and again great content!
Exactly, that specific knob is using seconds as its metric unit, so he should be using 0.366, as 1 millisecond is 1/1000 of a second.
Great producer can’t do math lol
Spot on.
Yeah that bothered me when I saw it the concept is good he just didn't do it right a 1/4 note is quite a short amount of time so that should have told him he input the wrong thing
100ms =1s,thats the meaning of his explanation
your reverb and eq videos probably gave me the best direction i literally know what i need to attack now big thanks!!!!
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Dude you just helped me out so much. My reverbs were terrible and therefore adde muddiness to my mix. I didnt know what any of the controls meant! Now I do and I know how to calculate the perfect reverb! OFF THIS VID ALONE, I SUBBED!
You made a little mistake man. you calculated 366ms but in the plugin you set 3.66 seconds...366ms would .366sec...thats why your reverb was still to long. Good video tho.
Edit: changing the predelay also changes the sound of the reverb cause ur are getting more reflections and less direct sound. the brightness on the vocal you get are the reflections
what about the predelay is it right?
You fail to convert milliseconds to seconds. .366ms converts to 3.66 seconds. So he's actually right. Music is nothing but math in action. If not good in math you're not going to be a very good producer or engineer.
@@bigman72511 There's 1000 ms in 1 second. 1000 mm in 1m. 1000ml in 1l. 1000m in 1km. The metric system. It would indeed be .366.
@@bigman72511 I love when a know-it-all who actually knows nothing completely embarrasses themself. Thank you so much for being a dumb ass.
This is a great video for people don't get what reverb is all about like myself lol. But this helps me alot. Much appreciated. Peace out!
I'm sorry. But I think the concept of using a reverb is misunderstood here.
It is not a tool to make things bigger or "glue" things together per se. Its made to simulate a room/space. Within that process you can create the illusion of making vocals big. The length of the reverb with all its other parameters create the size of a room. The pre delay is the simulated distance from the listening point to the source. Up close is a long pre delay, you will hear the dry signal first, the room comes after. The further away things are, the less pre delay. That is just the natural physics of how sound reacts in a room. Think of me bouncing a basket ball at the gymnasium right in front of you, and bouncing it again on the other side of the field. Go out there yourself when you can, bring some friends and do this ball bounce simulation. Record it! Use that recording as a reference track. Even crazier, put the recordings in the convolution reverb...
0.366 second long would be a VERY short reverb. It would sound more like the gated reverb that was used in the 80's.
Never the less, the synced pre delay is a great way to get this huge sounding vocals without muddying the shit up and timing it in the right spot.
happy mixing my friend!
no, not all reverbs are made to simulate a room. please do your research on digital vs acoustic reverbs before spouting your shite in the comments. plate reverbs have been the standard vocal reverb since the 60s
Reverbs that simulate a room are called convolution reverbs.
he's not looking to define exaclty what a literal defintion of reverb is, he's defining it in a way which is very useful and unique for music production, which is the point of his video.
No shite sherlock, I have actually studied natural reverb's. Had to write an essay about it to earn my master degree in audio engineering. Instead of criticizing him on the timing error, I gave him fairly good advice on how to take his study in audio engineering/mixing a step further.
Omg dude get over yourself hahhahahaha
Great Stuff my bredda. You probably should have explained why you converted to seconds using 3.66 vs 0.366 to clear up any confusions but I did a little research and this info is GOLD. Thank you
That one moment when your teacher starts explaining math to you lol😂😅😅😂😂😂.
I'd been screwing with reverb timing forever. As I watched this video, I started editing my reverb in a Cubase project I'd always had issues with. Now those vocals really sit well in the mix. I used this along with your vocal presence trick. Your videos are awesome man and can be applied to any song in any DAW. Keep up the good work!
did like 4 divisions in one video. "I know thats a lot of math" lol
just tried these tricks out on a mix and my verb bus is sounding absolutely killer now, appreciate the knowledge 👑
Fabfilter pro R has tempo sync future, you don't need any math in order to achieve this.
So just apply that preset and all that is done for you?
It's easy to use even if you're not applying preset.
Man, this is the most helpful video on reverb I have ever seen! Thank you so much for the information, it has helped my signal chain in ways that are unexplainable in one comment. Keep it coming bro!
If you having that much trouble with the "math" judt use your delay and put in 1/8 and it automatically gives you the ms
Genius!
I was searching on RUclips for this other devvon who did funny News report, but I didn't know his last name so it said "Devvon Terrell". I just clicked on it and ever since then I been a big fan man.
Now look how you motivated me to try doing RUclips covers but I don't know what tool or how to edit so youtube gave this video suggestions.
Not only did you inspire me but now I'm learning from you. Can life get any better
60 : 164 = 0,366
0, 366 x 2 = 0,732
0,732 x 2 = 1,46
1,46s you reverb time!!!
Predelay time 73ms!!!
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why?
I have never lookd at properly setting your reverbs until now . Great info.☝🏼☝🏼☝🏼💪💪💪
Man it’s not 3.66s it’s 0.366s 😂 the rev time is 10 time too long. A great tip tho i never thought bout that before.
Tristan Scuiller why is it 0.366??
@@modmon216 cause .366 seconds is literally 366 milliseconds, could have been an error by Devonn or just something he prefers.
LT Prodigy ahhh got u
That was so funny. Simple mistake, happens to the best.
But this guy explained for 5 minutes that we're calculating the length of a quarternote and he isn't weirded out at all, that a quarternote is apparently almost 4 seconds long :D
still good video tho
one of the only youtubers that actually explained an effect throughly 🤙🏼🤙🏼
Your math is wrong. you made your reverb tail 3.66 seconds long. A 3.66 second 1/4 note would mean that a single measure would be almost 15 seconds long. At 164 bpm a single measure is roughly 3 and a half seconds long. You need to put the decimal before the 3 which moves your last six to the thousands place because a millisecond is 1/1000 of a second. "0.366" Having used 3.66 seconds as your 1/4 note, your math to get an eighth note is completely meaningless. Had you used the actual length of a 1/4 note, 0.366 seconds, you would have found that your reverb was actually too short, partially because a 1/4 note reverb is almost imperceptible in the context of a vocal, but also because there is actually a half note between the end of each line and the beginning of the next in you song, not an eighth note. This means that you actually need to double from 0.366 to 0.722 which is still very short and less than half the 1.8 second time you end up using. A better method would be to just tune the reverb timing by ear, put an eq after the reverb on your reverb bus and eq out any muddiness, and finally, if completely necessary, use some ducking on the reverb tail to get it out of the way of your next line. Also..."Circumulus" not a word...
you could have just said, its 0.366 seconds vs 3.6 instead of trying show how smart you think you are.....
@@angryinchh I am not the one calling myself a mathlete and misleading people with a pointless exercise that is not a common practice used by pros.
ITS a Professional way.Its better.
Noise Code The “mathlete” line was clear sarcasm.
@@mullewap6670 It's made up BS.
That's probably the best music production tutorial channel I've ever found. Your passion and clarity in explaining those things is amazing. Keep on doing it! Love it!
Type delay calculator in google
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You are real MVP bro ❤️
Or just BPM to MS calculator
@@VilOzBec or set your session to the bpm of the beat and load a delay plugin like H delay that shows delay times in notes and MS. for example 1/4 note can be seen as 250 ms or whatever...
Update on my last post. I tried this technique on instruments and this works so well. Thank you
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@HELP ME DEVVON Thank you for sharing your knowledge to the audio community.
There is an app for MacOS called musicMath that figures out all this for you by just typing in the tempo of the song. For anyone interested in simplifying your work flow even further. I've attached the links.
Both Calculators are FREE!
Web-based Calculator : musiccalculator.com
Mac App: dev.laurentcolson.com/musicmath.html
You are so good at explaining things
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This was a great watch mate, it helped break down the concepts of how to use reverb in a way that was hiding in plain sight for me! Well done!
Hilarious! Your maths is out by an order of magnitude.
Your comment apart from being disrespectful is really hilarious thinking that you came here to learn something you probably have no idea how to do😘
This is fantastic! Something I've never heard ANY other mixing tutorial folks even touch. Thank you! You've helped me, Devvon!
Entering *10 times* the value he’s aiming for while talking about being a math genius. Cringe.
quite clear that he was being sarcastic.
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I discovered you a short time ago... I've been making beats for a while now too... all your video productions are so simple, easy to understand and efficient !!.. thank you very much.
I've been watching a few of your vids all day today, Thank you for your concise and detailed explanation and examples and time for making this, I speak on behalf on thousands. Much appreciated
I love the texture of that vocal. the verb makes it extra sweet, before I ask im gonna check your channel for how to get great vox like that, Tight tip yo!
This is hands down the best reverb video on RUclips. You really made this super simple. Appreciate it!!!!
Man I needed this tip so bad... Always done it by ear, but seriously that technic is next level 🔥
Thanks a lot for sharing 🙏🏽
Best production vid I seen in months, you gave game, and educated us at the same time, very useful info, love how your brain works. Just gained a new subscriber!
It was so much helpfull bro ... I have seen reverb tutorial but out of all this was best .... at least i can start setting up properly before my ears are trained ... hank you once again God bless you
Thanks.. I was about looking for this by reading a sheet about which looks more complicated to get.. than here we are ..made simple ..thanks ..
Thank you! i finally understand WHY to use this, i remember years ago i've read about delay time generators but never known why
i amnot that kinda guy who always writes comments. I came across your video really accidentally and at the end of the first minute, I said 'naaah, what can I learn from this guy?'. before closing the tab, wanted to check comments and saw your comment about your mistake. and i was like what did ı say to you, it's time wasting. and then countinued reading other comments and i was shocked with these nice comments, then wanted to keep watching and banggg. I cant imagine how precious detail i got from you. thanks for kicking my ass and accept my sorry for my prejudice. this is the longest comment of my 10 years youtube history. keep up your great work despite jerks like me bro.
I have never understood predelay before this... thank you so much. You are wonderful!
I've always wondered what I should be setting milliseconds in when mastering. This is awesome!
Excellent Video Devvon, straight to the point and easy to understand. As long as you keep making these we'll keep watching and supporting! Let's Go!
This is no joke just an amazing tutorial straight to the point and explaining everything
This was hugely helpful...stumbled onto your videos and every one of them has something that I've been able to put to use right away on the mixes I'm working on as I put in the hours to becoming better. Thank you. More please!
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One of the best, if not the best, explanations and teachinsg on this subject...Thank you!!!
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