I still have to see for myself, because I'm a masochist. I've watched the first episode and skipped the second (my first time, watched every other show in its entirety, that's how bad it is), but this I just have to see. Edit: Personally, I consider only Rogue One and Andor (CW and Rebels) canon, since Disney bought it. And Star Wars was always diverse (Lando or Mace Windu). We even have aliens, ffs. 😆
lmao, exactly the same thoughts here! After reading Erik's review on Forebes then watching his videos, im staying wel laway from not just StarWars, but also Disney+ I'm happy with my 6 movies of starwars :D
Yes, Andor was the best they've ever done. Every character was real. The Empire is ruthless and clever; their employees career- driven, not necessarily evil. The Acolyte is just poorly thought out, and dreadfully written. The whole idea of the "thread" -- an alternative way of thinking of the force is interesting. That there are competing users of the force is predictable. But the use of the twin trope is boring, as is much of the series. Somewhere in this is a good premise, but what we have been presented is boring and nonsensìcal.
"The whole idea of the "thread" -- an alternative way of thinking of the force is interesting" Not really. They're just trying to be creative and they end up calling the force another thing...the thread. It's so cringe.
Best thing about The Acolyte: It exposes paid, shill, agenda driven critics once and for all, without the shadow of a doubt. You can ignore these people from now on. Shout-out to Grace.
This is the 6th video I've watched this morning dunking on this and its only 6am. I'm currently getting hours of entertainment out of this and it didn't require a millisecond of watching the actual show. Star Wars: The dunkening, Star Wars: The dunk awakens, Star Wars: Revenge of the dunk...
It was terrible. I'm a calm person and don't critisize like others. But this episode was super boring, cringe, acting was horrible. It's nlt star wars at all. It's super sad.
It was lame. The worst part of the experience is the cognitive dissonance I get from the stunning mediocrity on screen and the appalling self-congratulatory nonsense from the showrunners. So bold, so inventive, such boundary pushing, so not even at the level of a mid-season SG1 episode. The outright theft of visual devices is pretty bad, starting with the cut-price ROP scenery; the translucent bird is from The Expanse; the witch conjuring is from Shadow and Bone etc etc. Every Frame A Piracy. And it makes nil sense in-universe. And - like ROP - cannot remember it's own story or lore from one week to the next. 1. Stone fortress goes up in flame. How? Isn't low fire risk one of the reasons stone is used as a building material? 2. Witch chanting is fine, if lame. But it's utterly jarring to have wordy exegetic sound along with the scene - again with accompanying song but no one singing it. Does no one understand how sound works in these shows? 3. Stunningly bland music. Either discount baroque, or - at the end - a terrible warmed-over Ren Fayre motif. Why? Why is a medieval motif being used in a galaxy far far away? Does no one understand how sound works in this show? 4. Master Torbin drank poison last week because of this sequence. I must say I have sympathies, but for different reasons. Master Torbin did nothing wrong, and certainly not to the extent of needing to meditate for 10 years on his regret and guilt. Does no one in this show check continuity? etc I was hoping they'd do something cool and have Mother Talsin arrive and do battle. But no. Just lame.
All the episode did was reinforce that Osha is the good twin and Mae is the bad twin. Perhaps if it was revealed it was Mae who wanted to be the Jedi and Osha took her place by causing the fire then maybe we could have had some interesting development. Maybe through Osha’s efforts to keep her sister she inadvertently caused herself to end up in the Jedi as she had nowhere else to go. With her coven destroyed, the Jedi would have been the only ones with the knowledge to train her. Heck, that could serve as a better explanation for where Osha’s turmoil with the Force stems from and why she left the Jedi. She’d feel guilty about her direct role in the downfall of her sister and community, while also not having ever wanted to join the Jedi in the first place. It was a decision born of necessity and desperation to replace what she had lost: her family. This could have been so much better.
It's important to have honest reviewers like you so we know what's bad and what's good. I shudder at the thought of critics who just give away good reviews to everything they see . thank you for your service.
What absolutely baffles me is the way the people in charge of Disney now use phrases like "star wars should be for everyone and everyone should see themselves represented in it", then make a show where pretty much every white male (there's not many) is either a criminal, coward, or a piece of shit. And then they act surprised when that audience doesn't respond well to their show...like honestly what did you expect? If you believe representation is the most important thing in a show, and you represent one group of people as above, how can you not expect to get criticised by that group. But hey maybe everyone is just racist and sexist right?
Doesn’t help Star Wars is all very famous in White majority countries like the US, Canada, UK, literally all of (not all is white but the ones that are) Europe. So the main consumer in the majority is literally whites. Sooo… they do what you said… and surprise your majority consumer base isn’t happy. USA is 70-80% white after all let alone other countries. Not saying China and other countries don’t like Star Wars and don’t listen. But the main income Disney gets is from the USA. Soo.. go figure lmao.
The showrunner is an admitted "sith" Literally. You can't take them on their word. They are liars. They lack the creativity to make anything, so they buy ip and degenerate them, because that is all degenerates can do. They cannot write a logically cohesive story because they fundamentally lack logical cohesion themselves.
I knew I recognized this name! We were discussing on stream last night the previous article about how the critics must be crazy because star wars is mid, which I fully agree with. We were joking that Tassi could never be so bold and negative, glad Forbes has some balance, keep up the good work.
Tassi loves his Kennedy-Lucasfilm goodie-bags. Go back and read both Tassi's and Erik's reviews of the Mandalorian S1. Erik loved it, Tassi despised it. Very odd for Tassi, considering his simping for every other Disney-Lucasfilm production.
I agree up and down. These flashbacks should've been spliced throughout as we, the audience, try to piece together what "really" happened. But in the meantime, we should be watching an interesting story about tracking down a dangerous criminal, uncovering a plot that seeks to up-end the Jedi Order, working to clear the name of an innocent wrongly-accused person, and discovering more about this era of the Republic and the Galaxy more broadly. But none of that is happening. It's amazing that the people at Disney can keep a straight face while they publish this.
Inclusion/diversity well applied: X-Men 97 - Morph, a shapeshifter, has feelings for Wolverine. Why not? The guy lives by metamorphosing into different characters of all races and sexes. Andor: you already explained it, the relationship between the two rebels is part of the story, and it doesn't want to be anything more than this. And in The Legend of Vox Machina, Scanlan Shorthalt has no problem charming everyone he meets, and it's well done, as well as being damn funny. That's where they fail, flat shows like this.
You hit the nail on the head: "Nothing feels natural". This is the result of extremely bad writing and directing. Even daytime soap operas have better writing and acting.
But why would we assume the Jedi would do such thing when they've never done such a thing before? There's nothing about this ludicrous episode that makes a scrap of sense. "I don't think this should have been an episode [...]" Yeah neither do I. Forget all your qualifiers about "flashback" or the rest. This just shouldn't have been an episode. Or series.
This episode was BAD. The acting was terrible, the dialog was confusing and laughable. The whole episode was so bland and didn't really further the lore or plot of the show. -Giant cave fortress catching fire from a candle -Oshi immediately ready to be a Jedi even though she had no clue who they were. - Sol: "we're not here to take your children" in that same sentence to Mae: "do you want to be a Jedi?" 🤦♂️ What's crazy is someone watched this in post-production and approved it.
So they want us to believe that these four Jedi killed all the witches, but were afraid to show them doing that? This is disgraceful and the reason why fans are so pissed off.
For me, Star Wars was dead after live-action Ahsoka because of writing (shame, because I loved that character from The Clone War), it's a peaceful life. It seems Disney needs to run Star Wars into the ground, losing tonnes of money, before the serious cleaning up in the writing and directing side of the company happens. But hey! Disney is allergic to making customers happy and making money for the time being and attack us, paying customers when we reject a bad product. I need to watch Andor because I hear many good things about it but I have sour taste about Star Wars still. Thank you for the review Erik, so we don't have to suffer watching such bad Star Wars.
@@halfrocanadianv5086 I remember Andor is so good because it was worked on when pandemic hit and the writer had lots of time to polish the script too. Even animated SW looks like it was made by different studio even though it still has writing issues but not to such degree
Exactly, how did Osha know what the Jedi are and why she thought they were good when she didn't even know there were other kids in the universe. Why would she want to leave when she had no access to the outside universe.
This is the first Disney SW I haven't watched (and won't), I pity those that have to. Judging by the synopsis I've heard, I already know all there is to know.
At the end of this video when he was talking about how he supports diversity in Star Wars but how forced it feels like a corporate agenda in this show. So well said and how 90% of star wars fans feel. Yet because we don’t appreciate them using our favorite fictional universe as a agenda to obviously push down our throats we are all “racist” or “hate women”. When In reality we just want a good Star Wars story and could care less about gender or race.
I wonder if any real witches were consulted. It could go both ways though "it sucks because no real witches were involved" "it sucks because real witches are that boring, and that's what the consulting witches wanted
Speaking of "no point," wait until you see what happens to the wookiee Jedi. And my God, Andor was so great. That's because KK couldn't step to the Gilroy boys.
The Lizzo episode of Mandalorian was nowhere near as cringe as this. I actually kinda laughed at how absurd that was. The big difference is that they knew it was a silly episode in the Mandalorian. This has no awareness of how cringe it is.
I watched it just out of boredom and found it so hard to watch its like a 13 yr old girl who wants to be a witch wrote gay fanfiction. The writing is outrageously bad and the actors suck so its a mess
Erik I want to give you massive props for this To be honest I was not familiar with you until your review in Forbes on this show I have absolutely no issue with the casting or what might be called "political" critiques of this show but what I am absolutely stunned by is the dishonesty of reviewers when it comes to this show. Like it would be one thing if IGN came out and said "this show is definitely not Andor-tier but we think there are some good aspects to it", but instead they try to tell you with a straight face that this is as good as Rogue One. I really, REALLY struggle to believe that they actually think that, and seeing what can only be described as disingenuous-ness from reviewers greatly disappoints me. Your review is the first honest review from a major publication I have read on this show and great work on that. I will be emailing Forbes (please let me know if there's a department in particular that I should contact) giving you a big shout out for the quality of your review there
The smoke could have killed everyone. Not because that makes sense, but Osha runs out of the building with light smoke and then somehow is waking up from being passed out and put on an oxygen machine. Writers have probably never been around a fire I guess, so they probably have no idea how smoke works.
This episode has some of the worst writing I've ever seen in my life. I used to compare this show to a Star Wars fan film, but it's so much worse than that.
So they want us to believe that these four Jedi killed all the witches, but we’re afraid to show them doing that? This is disgraceful and the reason why fans are so pissed off!!!
OK, had to check what a RAP lyrics AI came up with, if I choose Power of one, power of two, power of many as an input: Here we go: I'm the one, I'm the spark, I'm the flame The power within me is not something to tame I'm a force to be reckoned with, I'm a hurricane I'll break down barriers, I'll make a name Two is better than one, we're a dynamic duo We'll take on the world, we'll steal the show Our strength combined, we'll make the earth shake We're a lethal combination, we'll keep the haters awake But when many come together, we're an unstoppable force We'll move mountains, we'll stay on course United we stand, divided we fall We'll break down walls, we'll stand tall The power of one, the power of two, the power of many We'll rise up against the odds, we'll make history We'll light up the sky, we'll shine like the sun As can be expected, the actual song sounds like crap, but it's still better than what I watched in this show... *Walks off humming One is the Loneliest Number...*
Overall, what I do not understand is how HBO can do such great shows, that last for most of them almost 1 hour per episode while Disney+ that has the greatest franchise of all time, multiplies the tv shows that are 30 minutes long and that are so poorly written. While I recognize that CGI are good, honestly for the story sometimes I believe that CW could have done a better job... Disney will say "quality over quantity" but quality isn't there...
Don't you think we'll we'll find out how/why the coven died in a future episode? This episode is told from Osha's perspective, I'm sure the events will be told from the Jedi's and Mae's point of view.
I really wanted to love this show but this was such a chore to watch. I dont get this version of nightsisters. In the clone wars the mother had a second demonic voice that echoed, why doesnt this mother have that? why is this coven all lovey dovey. Their use of the force is a callback to one of the Pre Disney books where the jedi feel the threads being pulled around the planet as if its covered in a web.
This is another case of “a girl did it first” storytelling, that’s why they love prequels because they can supplant the male that did a thing by making it look like the male was copying the female who did it first.
Thanks for continuing to give honest reviews dude. It’s frankly quite terrifying how people continue to praise such low tier entertainment, as if anything that pushes diversity or modern politics is exempt from criticism. Star Wars fans are fine with diversity, just focus on writing a good story.
Ah, beautiful. There is a beauty in destruction. And, well.. this show is the trashiest of all trash fires. It keeps us warm. After this Disney has a huge problem, they might just have killed Star Wars, until they SELL the IP!
Disney Acolyte has to be the worst show ever made. The script and plot fell flat. Screenwriters are super lazy, the directing is terrible, the lighting is terrible, and the acting is sub par.
While osha was going through the tunnel you can hear commotion above and later on electricity crackling. Not sure how a fire in a mountain would have triggered that. Perhaps it’s from use of the force. Just like before the Jedi first arrived, and the focal point was the Tesla tower thing. Definitely learned a whole lot of nothing from this episode.
This show appears to be attempting to present sociopathy as virtue. Hardly surprising, given Headland and Kennedy's obvious disdain for an audience of humans who understand right from wrong.
As for what happened to the witches, I'm sure the Jedi did something... they do feel guilty after all years later (at least Torbin did). So it might have been the witches thought the Jedi attacked, the Jedi defended themselves, the witches died. Also, if you look at Torbin in the final scenes, he clearly has the scar on his face that his older version had - so that must've happened on the planet, since he didn't have it a few mins before.
To be honest, among the Star Wars franchise, it's not the worst. I think this cannot be compared to Andor, although they are both under the SW banner. They were created for 2 different audiences. I feel like I am just too old for Acolyte. The story is basics, but with cool fight scenes, i think I'd enjoyed it more if i was 12. However, this epidode was really cringe and felt forced at times. I do like the fact that they are showing some of the dark side of the Jedi, which was explored in the clone wars series. Actually, clone wars and rebels are a perfect example of how you could appeal to both a younger and older audience.
There definitely a split between the witch mothers. It all hinges on that. “No violence.” [horned witch mother gives disgusted look]. People don’t like it because they missed clues or just don’t understand it yet.
In the eyes of Korean viewers who are not Star Wars fans, this TV show is just an acceptable TV show so far. It doesn't feel overly PC or LGBT-enforced. However, in the eyes of the Star Wars fandom, I think it may feel too PC-forced because of the black female protagonist, Asian male Jedi Master, and lesbian female director. I think it would be similar to how white people felt when they saw the black Little Mermaid. While watching the black Little Mermaid, I also felt like they were extorting the property of white people in the name of PC. Anyway, despite this situation, I feel fortunate that there don't seem to be many negative reviews about Lee Jung-jae's acting.
Good writing, good acting, and compelling visuals. With those foundations, things like wokeness, DEI, etc. become a non-issue. Unfortunately without that foundation all those other issues become glaringly obvious. And then the SW community goes into a civil war. A budget of 180 million??? Where is it in this series?
I bet you a dumb dollar that it wasn't the fire, it wasn't the jedi, it wasn't Mae that killed them all, they all killed themselves. "Something stupid about honoring our thingy after my death." Probably because one of them broke the rule of two or some stupid thing like that.
I’ve been done with Disney girl boss overload for a while. I’m just having fun with all the reactions from everyone online who still has hope SW will ever be good again.
The way I see it they think they're super clever and are probably trying to do a "Rashomon". This was basically the story from Oshas point of view. I assume we'll get to see some other POVs (Mae, Sol)
I tend to disagree with critics but I agree this by far the worst Star Wars related content I’ve seen in my life, absolutely serves no purpose or added lore
I think it's obvious the Sith lord killed all the witches. This episode made the jedi killing himself in the previous episode so stupid. Some little psycho lights a fire burning down her entire home and... you blame yourself for this?
The dialog in this show has been so terrible. Its sounds like it was AI generated or written by someone with a lobotomy. Also, in new STAR WARS rocks burn but bodies dont. LOL! Everything about this show is so contrived, hamfisted and clunky.I think the real problem here is that nothing about this feels special, it all feels like something from a fan film and that you and a group of friends could have done this better, and thats what really sucks. I want these things to have a sheen about them that feels beyond grasp that you can aspire to but that is special and nothing about this feels special. Its all just so...bad.
I've just come to accept that new star wars is now primarily made for different audience then 40 year old me. There is still some mature star wars content (jedi games, andor etc..) but they're making this stuff for kids now, too bad it's so badly written and looks so cheap!
They remind me of the Mortise brother and sister. There was an explosion and I thought that's why all the witches were dead. My biggest problem was that stone doesn't burn.
Yeah, if only they thought of setting this in a wooden building, that would be a bit more believeable. As for the witches dying - at the very end Torbin has a scarred face, so something must've happened on the planet, since he didn't have it a few mins before.
So, the oppression is a direct transposition of Headland and Henderson's feelings regarding their own views "experiences" on same sex parenting. This is why the stories don't work, the writing is bad really bad and trying to fit your agenda into a different universe doesn't work. The Night Sisters , in Star Wars Galaxies they were awesome characters, to be feared, and made for some interesting journeys to Dathomir. I don't know why folk are complaining that having an all female group is wrong, ain't that what a group of witches are :) But yeah, as said, use what is there and write to it not upon it.
Terrible is being Polite.... It is total trash. No Story everything George did is being Changed and makes no sense. It is slow boring and just dumb... Only a Plot Twist can save it.
The Jedi definitely do not just steal babies they don't even force you to take the babies. It was considered the highest honor in the galaxy to be a jedi. You were basically a superstar in society and had power and influence. If u didn't want to give up your kid you don't have to. Also it was illegal to use the dark side of the force and to train children outside of the Jedi order because they had so many problems and so many wars with the sith they have rules about it. But even then they still gave them a choice with the girls
Hey, really good channel 👍 I hate that I've been reduced to simply an "anti-woke hater", but after the last few years, that's what mainstream media has made me. WHY, HOW do they consistently put out such TRASH for hundreds of millions of dollars?!?! It's baffling. Who are these people, why can't they write a story, where are the executives to quality control this garbage??? And then you have to explain why you're not racist/homophobic, etc, just because you're stating the obvious. It's like god damn Bizzaro world. There IS an obvious agenda and there IS an obvious lack of quality, and we're not supposed to say anything?? This crap has really become propaganda at this point. It's like living in Nazi Germany and being ostracized because you simply notice third reich BS in all the media. So, I'd prefer if there wasn't this "culture war", but god damn, there clearly is. I'm not saying I need a world where "this shit" doesn't exist at all, but this shit is infecting EVERYTHING, so, apparently, we need to be as loud as possible and say WE DON'T WANT THIS, I'M NOT GOING TO PAY FOR THIS.
I can only go by what I hear, but the scene that bothered me is a scene where one of the witches lays out the idea that the Force/the world is not about Good/Evil/In Between... but instead everything is about power, and who has it. And if that's accurate, that's.... bad? Really bad. As in, not just the worst of Current Year politics, but also a betrayal of the core of Star Wars, as I see it. Star Wars is about right and wrong. (Not, well, Marxism.)
...and May set the room on fire...Sets the room on fire. In a building. Made of Stone. She sets the room and building made of stone on fire. But, I guess that's plausible in a galaxy where fire burns in space, so hey...who am I to judge......I'm too old for this crap...And what you are saying, even if you dont' realize it, is that you don't like virtue signaling. I hate it. I think signaling takes so much away from anything. So far, as much of a crap show that is Star Trek Discovery, the only thing they did right was the gay couple. There was no virtue signaling with them. It was well written as just a couple who both served on the same ship.
I saw A New Hope in the theaters in '77-'78 11 times when I was a kid. I watched the Holiday Special live when it aired. I have consumed everything SW from the OT to the Disney+ shows and I have been enjoying Acolyte. It's not perfect, but it is not as terrible as all the hate grifters would have you believe. Nothing sells quite like hate.
You watched this episode so I didn’t have to. Thank you for your service.
Same lol id never give me this.
I still have to see for myself, because I'm a masochist. I've watched the first episode and skipped the second (my first time, watched every other show in its entirety, that's how bad it is), but this I just have to see. Edit: Personally, I consider only Rogue One and Andor (CW and Rebels) canon, since Disney bought it. And Star Wars was always diverse (Lando or Mace Windu). We even have aliens, ffs. 😆
Brave soul, indeed.
lmao, exactly the same thoughts here! After reading Erik's review on Forebes then watching his videos, im staying wel laway from not just StarWars, but also Disney+ I'm happy with my 6 movies of starwars :D
Yeah tnks for that man sacrificing his brain to mush.
Twin: The Jedi are BAD!
Twin: The Jedi are GOOD!
Proto-Gandalf: No! I'M GOOD!!!!
Yes, Andor was the best they've ever done. Every character was real. The Empire is ruthless and clever; their employees career- driven, not necessarily evil. The Acolyte is just poorly thought out, and dreadfully written. The whole idea of the "thread" -- an alternative way of thinking of the force is interesting. That there are competing users of the force is predictable. But the use of the twin trope is boring, as is much of the series. Somewhere in this is a good premise, but what we have been presented is boring and nonsensìcal.
"The whole idea of the "thread" -- an alternative way of thinking of the force is interesting" Not really. They're just trying to be creative and they end up calling the force another thing...the thread. It's so cringe.
The witches watched the episode back and decided to kill themselves.
Best thing about The Acolyte: It exposes paid, shill, agenda driven critics once and for all, without the shadow of a doubt. You can ignore these people from now on. Shout-out to Grace.
yep, all shills are not on full display, it's never been more cringe!
Yea it has become a way of finding the scumbags and weeding out the agenda driven liars
"Agenda-driven" - perfectly stated
Hey now! BolshevikBob got paid very well by the Black Cube to make this propaganda for you.
It’s also exposing people that don’t really understand Star Wars.
I guarantee Lesley Hedland has used the term "White Cis Heteronormative Patriarchy" in casual conversation.
Also delicious that the people defending this show were the big MeToo champs, and now they're ride of die for Weinstein's former assistant.
The witches’ song “the power of many” had me literally laughing out loud.
This is the 6th video I've watched this morning dunking on this and its only 6am. I'm currently getting hours of entertainment out of this and it didn't require a millisecond of watching the actual show. Star Wars: The dunkening, Star Wars: The dunk awakens, Star Wars: Revenge of the dunk...
It was terrible. I'm a calm person and don't critisize like others. But this episode was super boring, cringe, acting was horrible. It's nlt star wars at all. It's super sad.
Yasss!!!!!
It was lame. The worst part of the experience is the cognitive dissonance I get from the stunning mediocrity on screen and the appalling self-congratulatory nonsense from the showrunners. So bold, so inventive, such boundary pushing, so not even at the level of a mid-season SG1 episode. The outright theft of visual devices is pretty bad, starting with the cut-price ROP scenery; the translucent bird is from The Expanse; the witch conjuring is from Shadow and Bone etc etc. Every Frame A Piracy.
And it makes nil sense in-universe. And - like ROP - cannot remember it's own story or lore from one week to the next.
1. Stone fortress goes up in flame. How? Isn't low fire risk one of the reasons stone is used as a building material?
2. Witch chanting is fine, if lame. But it's utterly jarring to have wordy exegetic sound along with the scene - again with accompanying song but no one singing it. Does no one understand how sound works in these shows?
3. Stunningly bland music. Either discount baroque, or - at the end - a terrible warmed-over Ren Fayre motif. Why? Why is a medieval motif being used in a galaxy far far away? Does no one understand how sound works in this show?
4. Master Torbin drank poison last week because of this sequence. I must say I have sympathies, but for different reasons. Master Torbin did nothing wrong, and certainly not to the extent of needing to meditate for 10 years on his regret and guilt. Does no one in this show check continuity?
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I was hoping they'd do something cool and have Mother Talsin arrive and do battle. But no. Just lame.
All the episode did was reinforce that Osha is the good twin and Mae is the bad twin. Perhaps if it was revealed it was Mae who wanted to be the Jedi and Osha took her place by causing the fire then maybe we could have had some interesting development. Maybe through Osha’s efforts to keep her sister she inadvertently caused herself to end up in the Jedi as she had nowhere else to go. With her coven destroyed, the Jedi would have been the only ones with the knowledge to train her. Heck, that could serve as a better explanation for where Osha’s turmoil with the Force stems from and why she left the Jedi. She’d feel guilty about her direct role in the downfall of her sister and community, while also not having ever wanted to join the Jedi in the first place. It was a decision born of necessity and desperation to replace what she had lost: her family. This could have been so much better.
I very much like this idea. This would create the emotional tension that the show currently is lacking.
The problem with this is the pattern on Mae’s forehead from the ascension.
It's important to have honest reviewers like you so we know what's bad and what's good. I shudder at the thought of critics who just give away good reviews to everything they see . thank you for your service.
What absolutely baffles me is the way the people in charge of Disney now use phrases like "star wars should be for everyone and everyone should see themselves represented in it", then make a show where pretty much every white male (there's not many) is either a criminal, coward, or a piece of shit. And then they act surprised when that audience doesn't respond well to their show...like honestly what did you expect? If you believe representation is the most important thing in a show, and you represent one group of people as above, how can you not expect to get criticised by that group. But hey maybe everyone is just racist and sexist right?
All manipulators "act surprised" and twist your words. There is only one logic behind all of this: They want to gaslight people.
Doesn’t help Star Wars is all very famous in White majority countries like the US, Canada, UK, literally all of (not all is white but the ones that are) Europe.
So the main consumer in the majority is literally whites. Sooo… they do what you said… and surprise your majority consumer base isn’t happy.
USA is 70-80% white after all let alone other countries.
Not saying China and other countries don’t like Star Wars and don’t listen. But the main income Disney gets is from the USA. Soo.. go figure lmao.
Most of SW audience is male, same with Marvel, that’s who it was always for, not surprising fans hate Disney SW, they targeting the wrong audience.
The showrunner is an admitted "sith"
Literally.
You can't take them on their word.
They are liars.
They lack the creativity to make anything, so they buy ip and degenerate them, because that is all degenerates can do.
They cannot write a logically cohesive story because they fundamentally lack logical cohesion themselves.
While sticking two fingers up at their 90% fan base - my hate for these lefty woke people increases daily
I knew I recognized this name! We were discussing on stream last night the previous article about how the critics must be crazy because star wars is mid, which I fully agree with. We were joking that Tassi could never be so bold and negative, glad Forbes has some balance, keep up the good work.
Tassi loves his Kennedy-Lucasfilm goodie-bags. Go back and read both Tassi's and Erik's reviews of the Mandalorian S1. Erik loved it, Tassi despised it. Very odd for Tassi, considering his simping for every other Disney-Lucasfilm production.
Tassi has no spine. Erik has a strong spine. That's the difference.
I agree up and down. These flashbacks should've been spliced throughout as we, the audience, try to piece together what "really" happened. But in the meantime, we should be watching an interesting story about tracking down a dangerous criminal, uncovering a plot that seeks to up-end the Jedi Order, working to clear the name of an innocent wrongly-accused person, and discovering more about this era of the Republic and the Galaxy more broadly. But none of that is happening. It's amazing that the people at Disney can keep a straight face while they publish this.
Inclusion/diversity well applied:
X-Men 97 - Morph, a shapeshifter, has feelings for Wolverine. Why not? The guy lives by metamorphosing into different characters of all races and sexes.
Andor: you already explained it, the relationship between the two rebels is part of the story, and it doesn't want to be anything more than this.
And in The Legend of Vox Machina, Scanlan Shorthalt has no problem charming everyone he meets, and it's well done, as well as being damn funny.
That's where they fail, flat shows like this.
You hit the nail on the head: "Nothing feels natural". This is the result of extremely bad writing and directing. Even daytime soap operas have better writing and acting.
But why would we assume the Jedi would do such thing when they've never done such a thing before? There's nothing about this ludicrous episode that makes a scrap of sense.
"I don't think this should have been an episode [...]"
Yeah neither do I. Forget all your qualifiers about "flashback" or the rest. This just shouldn't have been an episode. Or series.
This episode was BAD. The acting was terrible, the dialog was confusing and laughable. The whole episode was so bland and didn't really further the lore or plot of the show.
-Giant cave fortress catching fire from a candle
-Oshi immediately ready to be a Jedi even though she had no clue who they were.
- Sol: "we're not here to take your children" in that same sentence to Mae: "do you want to be a Jedi?" 🤦♂️
What's crazy is someone watched this in post-production and approved it.
So they want us to believe that these four Jedi killed all the witches, but were afraid to show them doing that? This is disgraceful and the reason why fans are so pissed off.
And out sith and lesbian wicthes as People who dont sacrifice children or kill them
For me, Star Wars was dead after live-action Ahsoka because of writing (shame, because I loved that character from The Clone War), it's a peaceful life.
It seems Disney needs to run Star Wars into the ground, losing tonnes of money, before the serious cleaning up in the writing and directing side of the company happens. But hey! Disney is allergic to making customers happy and making money for the time being and attack us, paying customers when we reject a bad product.
I need to watch Andor because I hear many good things about it but I have sour taste about Star Wars still.
Thank you for the review Erik, so we don't have to suffer watching such bad Star Wars.
Andor is so far above everything else disney starwars that it feels like it's from a different franchise, one where quality comes first for everything
@@halfrocanadianv5086 I remember Andor is so good because it was worked on when pandemic hit and the writer had lots of time to polish the script too.
Even animated SW looks like it was made by different studio even though it still has writing issues but not to such degree
Exactly, how did Osha know what the Jedi are and why she thought they were good when she didn't even know there were other kids in the universe. Why would she want to leave when she had no access to the outside universe.
This is the first Disney SW I haven't watched (and won't), I pity those that have to. Judging by the synopsis I've heard, I already know all there is to know.
At the end of this video when he was talking about how he supports diversity in Star Wars but how forced it feels like a corporate agenda in this show. So well said and how 90% of star wars fans feel. Yet because we don’t appreciate them using our favorite fictional universe as a agenda to obviously push down our throats we are all “racist” or “hate women”. When In reality we just want a good Star Wars story and could care less about gender or race.
I don't know how RUclips recommended you originally, maybe true detective season 4??, but genuinely glad of stumbling on your level headed reviews
I wonder if any real witches were consulted.
It could go both ways though
"it sucks because no real witches were involved"
"it sucks because real witches are that boring, and that's what the consulting witches wanted
Speaking of "no point," wait until you see what happens to the wookiee Jedi. And my God, Andor was so great. That's because KK couldn't step to the Gilroy boys.
Thanks for your critique of the show. I am enjoying following the episode’s reception online rather than watching it
Vaylin's storyline in the Old Republic video game is a more interesting story than anything this show could imagine.
The trailer for Knights of the Fallen Empire "Sacrifice" has muche better story than all 3 of Acolyte
My summary of this episode: "WTF am I watching?"
It's the Worst thing i ever seen assaociated with Star Wars. And that includes the X-mas Special.
The Lizzo episode of Mandalorian was nowhere near as cringe as this. I actually kinda laughed at how absurd that was. The big difference is that they knew it was a silly episode in the Mandalorian. This has no awareness of how cringe it is.
Very true
Darth Plagueis snuck in an killed all the witches because they knew something he didn't.
I have not watched one episode of this show.. just the reactions. The trailer and interview pressers told me it wasn't a series I'd enjoy watching.
I watched it just out of boredom and found it so hard to watch its like a 13 yr old girl who wants to be a witch wrote gay fanfiction. The writing is outrageously bad and the actors suck so its a mess
Dear Disney, lets just finish Andor and break up...... lets be done
Erik I want to give you massive props for this
To be honest I was not familiar with you until your review in Forbes on this show
I have absolutely no issue with the casting or what might be called "political" critiques of this show but what I am absolutely stunned by is the dishonesty of reviewers when it comes to this show.
Like it would be one thing if IGN came out and said "this show is definitely not Andor-tier but we think there are some good aspects to it", but instead they try to tell you with a straight face that this is as good as Rogue One. I really, REALLY struggle to believe that they actually think that, and seeing what can only be described as disingenuous-ness from reviewers greatly disappoints me.
Your review is the first honest review from a major publication I have read on this show and great work on that. I will be emailing Forbes (please let me know if there's a department in particular that I should contact) giving you a big shout out for the quality of your review there
Are “OSHA and MAY” a set of galactic safety regulatory agencies?
The smoke could have killed everyone. Not because that makes sense, but Osha runs out of the building with light smoke and then somehow is waking up from being passed out and put on an oxygen machine. Writers have probably never been around a fire I guess, so they probably have no idea how smoke works.
This episode has some of the worst writing I've ever seen in my life. I used to compare this show to a Star Wars fan film, but it's so much worse than that.
So they want us to believe that these four Jedi killed all the witches, but we’re afraid to show them doing that? This is disgraceful and the reason why fans are so pissed off!!!
OK, had to check what a RAP lyrics AI came up with, if I choose Power of one, power of two, power of many as an input:
Here we go:
I'm the one, I'm the spark, I'm the flame
The power within me is not something to tame
I'm a force to be reckoned with, I'm a hurricane
I'll break down barriers, I'll make a name
Two is better than one, we're a dynamic duo
We'll take on the world, we'll steal the show
Our strength combined, we'll make the earth shake
We're a lethal combination, we'll keep the haters awake
But when many come together, we're an unstoppable force
We'll move mountains, we'll stay on course
United we stand, divided we fall
We'll break down walls, we'll stand tall
The power of one, the power of two, the power of many
We'll rise up against the odds, we'll make history
We'll light up the sky, we'll shine like the sun
As can be expected, the actual song sounds like crap, but it's still better than what I watched in this show...
*Walks off humming One is the Loneliest Number...*
Overall, what I do not understand is how HBO can do such great shows, that last for most of them almost 1 hour per episode while Disney+ that has the greatest franchise of all time, multiplies the tv shows that are 30 minutes long and that are so poorly written. While I recognize that CGI are good, honestly for the story sometimes I believe that CW could have done a better job... Disney will say "quality over quantity" but quality isn't there...
Don't you think we'll we'll find out how/why the coven died in a future episode? This episode is told from Osha's perspective, I'm sure the events will be told from the Jedi's and Mae's point of view.
Of course.
I wonder if the witches died to give their power to the girls: "the power of many." It has to mean something.
I really wanted to love this show but this was such a chore to watch. I dont get this version of nightsisters. In the clone wars the mother had a second demonic voice that echoed, why doesnt this mother have that? why is this coven all lovey dovey. Their use of the force is a callback to one of the Pre Disney books where the jedi feel the threads being pulled around the planet as if its covered in a web.
This is another case of “a girl did it first” storytelling, that’s why they love prequels because they can supplant the male that did a thing by making it look like the male was copying the female who did it first.
Forbes needs to keep using your reviews. Please. 🙏
Thanks for continuing to give honest reviews dude. It’s frankly quite terrifying how people continue to praise such low tier entertainment, as if anything that pushes diversity or modern politics is exempt from criticism. Star Wars fans are fine with diversity, just focus on writing a good story.
Ah, beautiful. There is a beauty in destruction. And, well.. this show is the trashiest of all trash fires. It keeps us warm.
After this Disney has a huge problem, they might just have killed Star Wars, until they SELL the IP!
Disney Acolyte has to be the worst show ever made. The script and plot fell flat. Screenwriters are super lazy, the directing is terrible, the lighting is terrible, and the acting is sub par.
I still can't believe this is actually real. . . This is what Star wars is now. . . Let that sink in. I'm off to cry
Wow ... there was a man who knew everything that was coming. It even made a film about it. They live. John Carpenter Your A Prophet.🤣🤣🤣
While osha was going through the tunnel you can hear commotion above and later on electricity crackling. Not sure how a fire in a mountain would have triggered that. Perhaps it’s from use of the force. Just like before the Jedi first arrived, and the focal point was the Tesla tower thing. Definitely learned a whole lot of nothing from this episode.
did the corporate overlords make you change the title of your episode 3 review article? 🤔
This show appears to be attempting to present sociopathy as virtue. Hardly surprising, given Headland and Kennedy's obvious disdain for an audience of humans who understand right from wrong.
As for what happened to the witches, I'm sure the Jedi did something... they do feel guilty after all years later (at least Torbin did). So it might have been the witches thought the Jedi attacked, the Jedi defended themselves, the witches died. Also, if you look at Torbin in the final scenes, he clearly has the scar on his face that his older version had - so that must've happened on the planet, since he didn't have it a few mins before.
How did Sol get there so quickly? And why only him?
I haven't watched a star wars product since The Last Jedi. The taste that movie left is still with me and it is bitter.
andor was super diverse, yet no one noticed or complained. funny what good writing can do🤷
To be honest, among the Star Wars franchise, it's not the worst. I think this cannot be compared to Andor, although they are both under the SW banner. They were created for 2 different audiences.
I feel like I am just too old for Acolyte. The story is basics, but with cool fight scenes, i think I'd enjoyed it more if i was 12.
However, this epidode was really cringe and felt forced at times.
I do like the fact that they are showing some of the dark side of the Jedi, which was explored in the clone wars series.
Actually, clone wars and rebels are a perfect example of how you could appeal to both a younger and older audience.
There definitely a split between the witch mothers. It all hinges on that. “No violence.” [horned witch mother gives disgusted look]. People don’t like it because they missed clues or just don’t understand it yet.
Congratulations on your piece in Forbes which is gaining a lot of traction!
In the eyes of Korean viewers who are not Star Wars fans, this TV show is just an acceptable TV show so far. It doesn't feel overly PC or LGBT-enforced.
However, in the eyes of the Star Wars fandom, I think it may feel too PC-forced because of the black female protagonist, Asian male Jedi Master, and lesbian female director. I think it would be similar to how white people felt when they saw the black Little Mermaid. While watching the black Little Mermaid, I also felt like they were extorting the property of white people in the name of PC.
Anyway, despite this situation, I feel fortunate that there don't seem to be many negative reviews about Lee Jung-jae's acting.
Good writing, good acting, and compelling visuals. With those foundations, things like wokeness, DEI, etc. become a non-issue. Unfortunately without that foundation all those other issues become glaringly obvious. And then the SW community goes into a civil war. A budget of 180 million??? Where is it in this series?
I bet you a dumb dollar that it wasn't the fire, it wasn't the jedi, it wasn't Mae that killed them all, they all killed themselves. "Something stupid about honoring our thingy after my death." Probably because one of them broke the rule of two or some stupid thing like that.
"Death before patriarchy!" ;-)
I’ve been done with Disney girl boss overload for a while. I’m just having fun with all the reactions from everyone online who still has hope SW will ever be good again.
The way I see it they think they're super clever and are probably trying to do a "Rashomon".
This was basically the story from Oshas point of view. I assume we'll get to see some other POVs (Mae, Sol)
I tend to disagree with critics but I agree this by far the worst Star Wars related content I’ve seen in my life, absolutely serves no purpose or added lore
I'm calling this episode "The Burning Bras"
I think it's obvious the Sith lord killed all the witches. This episode made the jedi killing himself in the previous episode so stupid. Some little psycho lights a fire burning down her entire home and... you blame yourself for this?
The dialog in this show has been so terrible. Its sounds like it was AI generated or written by someone with a lobotomy. Also, in new STAR WARS rocks burn but bodies dont. LOL! Everything about this show is so contrived, hamfisted and clunky.I think the real problem here is that nothing about this feels special, it all feels like something from a fan film and that you and a group of friends could have done this better, and thats what really sucks. I want these things to have a sheen about them that feels beyond grasp that you can aspire to but that is special and nothing about this feels special. Its all just so...bad.
I've just come to accept that new star wars is now primarily made for different audience then 40 year old me. There is still some mature star wars content (jedi games, andor etc..) but they're making this stuff for kids now, too bad it's so badly written and looks so cheap!
They remind me of the Mortise brother and sister.
There was an explosion and I thought that's why all the witches were dead.
My biggest problem was that stone doesn't burn.
Yeah, if only they thought of setting this in a wooden building, that would be a bit more believeable.
As for the witches dying - at the very end Torbin has a scarred face, so something must've happened on the planet, since he didn't have it a few mins before.
So, the oppression is a direct transposition of Headland and Henderson's feelings regarding their own views "experiences" on same sex parenting. This is why the stories don't work, the writing is bad really bad and trying to fit your agenda into a different universe doesn't work. The Night Sisters , in Star Wars Galaxies they were awesome characters, to be feared, and made for some interesting journeys to Dathomir. I don't know why folk are complaining that having an all female group is wrong, ain't that what a group of witches are :) But yeah, as said, use what is there and write to it not upon it.
Hey, an R. Scott Bakker namedrop in a Star Wars review of all places. Nice!
Terrible is being Polite.... It is total trash. No Story everything George did is being Changed and makes no sense. It is slow boring and just dumb... Only a Plot Twist can save it.
Incredible review and spot on, Star Wars is a love of mine and it cannot be trusted in Disney’s hands any more.
I’ve found your channel in the Forbes opinion. And that was a great find. Keep it up
Great review. I totally had to restart Andor again to get this show out of my mind.
i didn't watch, that's what i think of this episode
The Jedi definitely do not just steal babies they don't even force you to take the babies. It was considered the highest honor in the galaxy to be a jedi. You were basically a superstar in society and had power and influence. If u didn't want to give up your kid you don't have to. Also it was illegal to use the dark side of the force and to train children outside of the Jedi order because they had so many problems and so many wars with the sith they have rules about it. But even then they still gave them a choice with the girls
Hey, really good channel 👍 I hate that I've been reduced to simply an "anti-woke hater", but after the last few years, that's what mainstream media has made me.
WHY, HOW do they consistently put out such TRASH for hundreds of millions of dollars?!?! It's baffling. Who are these people, why can't they write a story, where are the executives to quality control this garbage???
And then you have to explain why you're not racist/homophobic, etc, just because you're stating the obvious. It's like god damn Bizzaro world. There IS an obvious agenda and there IS an obvious lack of quality, and we're not supposed to say anything?? This crap has really become propaganda at this point. It's like living in Nazi Germany and being ostracized because you simply notice third reich BS in all the media.
So, I'd prefer if there wasn't this "culture war", but god damn, there clearly is. I'm not saying I need a world where "this shit" doesn't exist at all, but this shit is infecting EVERYTHING, so, apparently, we need to be as loud as possible and say WE DON'T WANT THIS, I'M NOT GOING TO PAY FOR THIS.
The acting of this episode reminds me of the "Oh God, Oh Man, Oh God" bad acting meme.
I stopped watching anything from Disney and I'm happier.
At this point I think they need to rename it to something else because it clearly is just the black space lesbians show.
I can only go by what I hear, but the scene that bothered me is a scene where one of the witches lays out the idea that the Force/the world is not about Good/Evil/In Between... but instead everything is about power, and who has it. And if that's accurate, that's.... bad? Really bad. As in, not just the worst of Current Year politics, but also a betrayal of the core of Star Wars, as I see it. Star Wars is about right and wrong. (Not, well, Marxism.)
I'm waiting for Andor season 2
Going into ep.3 , knowing i wasn't going to enjoy it, ... at least that disappoint me.
I gave up on this show 10 minutes into the first episode, it is just terrible shit, and it doesn't even run downhill
They did it using Scissors..........
Thanks for the review.
The mother with the horns killed everyone, she’s the sith. Called it. Boring. Over it.
Mae and Osha were swapped. Sol or whatever saved Mae not Osha. That is why the current Mae is so mad at the Jedi.
Yes it is this stupid. just watch
No they weren't. Mae had a tattoo on her forehead. This was discovered by Indara in ep 1 when she attacked. They were not swapped
@@ErikKain Fair enough. I stand corrected.
...and May set the room on fire...Sets the room on fire. In a building. Made of Stone. She sets the room and building made of stone on fire. But, I guess that's plausible in a galaxy where fire burns in space, so hey...who am I to judge......I'm too old for this crap...And what you are saying, even if you dont' realize it, is that you don't like virtue signaling. I hate it. I think signaling takes so much away from anything. So far, as much of a crap show that is Star Trek Discovery, the only thing they did right was the gay couple. There was no virtue signaling with them. It was well written as just a couple who both served on the same ship.
worst Star Wars lesbian fanfict ever
On point vid!
'Wolverines daughter' really? you cant be bothered to put her proper name in your review?
Lol why are you enraged by this very small thing
Fell asleep again
Facts with Erik
Yep
I saw A New Hope in the theaters in '77-'78 11 times when I was a kid. I watched the Holiday Special live when it aired. I have consumed everything SW from the OT to the Disney+ shows and I have been enjoying Acolyte.
It's not perfect, but it is not as terrible as all the hate grifters would have you believe. Nothing sells quite like hate.