Great movie! Ed Norton’s performance steals the show, it’s really a big part of why this movie is rewatchable. His absence is felt the last 20 minutes until Malkovich returns.
That’s the great thing about this film it presupposes the audiences intellect. It never talks down to you; it throws you into the world you as the audience are left to discern it. That’s the genius of this film the way the narrative structure is delineated it makes the audience no matter who; Damon’s contemporary and equal and see things from his perspective.
"So, you're looking for a little grace, Lester, a little charity" - and then Worm mouths off to Grandma, this is a very underrated scene with Rispoli, Damon, and Norton. A miss by you guys...
I think they were going back to favorites for the live tour rather than doing new movies. Kind of lame, but I get it. After all, when you go to a concert and the band plays a new track, everyone uses that as an opportunity to get a second beer or hit the head.
I love ROUNDERS and all poker scenes from Rounders . I am very surprised that no one mentioned the awesome poker scene from The STING. Paul Newman and Robert Shaw. Yeah it was con poker play but so very very entertaining!!
Poker player Daniel Negreanu analyzed the final hand on his RUclips a while back. He came to the conclusion that Teddy KGB had either 66, 77, or AA, ultimately saying that AA was probably it.
I agree with this, and with the point about KGB's "this card couldn't have helped you" comment. AA is the one holding where this remark makes sense because any A-x hand is blocked.
I've thought about KGB's integritey when he said, "pay that man his money" , and he needs to have some integrity because if now who would want to go to his place and play poker with money. They could go to other places in NYC
Get Russillo ready, the Fear episode needs to happen. His research of Boston area correctional facilities an how they formed Wahlberg's character will be iconic. If you're redoing Rounders and somehow chose it for your New York movie (I get Bill loves it as a Gen X gambling addict, and one for us movies are a staple of this pod, but this isn't a top 25 NY movie), you need an adrenaline injection for the pod. I don't see eye to eye with Van often but his take on how sad watching poker is what spot on.
“It could have all been different, Mr. Walker. You should have allowed nature to take its course. In the end, it will anyway. SO LET ME IN THE FUCKIN’ HOUSE!”
Thank you! Damon was the forever mark for Norton they were never “friends” they haven’t been since they were young. It was a form of manipulation. Emotionally constructed by Damon that Norton saw and exploited. Damon was the forever mark for Norton poor Damon just did not ever see it.
DragonBall Z Saiyan and Frieza Saga I’ve probably watched more than anything. That and Rounders, 8 Mile, Lord of the Rings extended Trilogy, Matrix 1, and The Fountain !
One of the most rewatchable movies of all time? That just seems hilarious to me. It's a fine movie. I've got no problems with it. But it's not even gonna crack the top 30 best popcorn flicks.
In fairness, "most rewatchable" doesn't mean "best." For my part, Rounders is probably not in my top 50 movies, but it's probably in the top 10 I've seen the most. I think that's what he was getting at, but then you'd think Shawshank is Bill's most rewatchable.
Very proud that I saw this in the movie theater. About Mike's GF... He is an addict and he is back on the sauce. He has obviously promised it was a thing of the past but it's back. Her character is extremely believable and justified.
I skip any scene she's in, but I agree that her character is believable. Maybe not likeable, but definitely believable. After all, Jo was with him at the time he blew his roll (which she mentions). And we also know that she's just as pissed off at him for lying to her. That said, if Mike is as good as he is depicted to be, it seems like she should also know he can make his money back as long as he actually practices some bankroll management. He must have made more money toward law school at the tables than he did with an hourly job.
Worm says Clyde and Monroe because they won the chip when they would’ve been kids. You say your childhood hero’s not the current team. Like bill would say I was hot like Bird not like Tatum. Like I currently say “melo” when I hit a deep three on the playground not “Brunson”
Jack Nicholson woulda been the perfect worm. Robert Duvall as Mike. Deniro as kanish. And Robert Shaw as kgb. Diane Keaton for Jo, the judge would be John Houston and Sophia Lauren for famke janson’s character.
Lucky You was a pretty decent poker film. Apart from the insane decision of letting Drew Barrymore sing 😬 Eric Bana and Robert Duvall are pretty great. An underrated poker film all round.
The Hockey strike and the camera shot of the cards boomed poker, and don't know how no 1 explained 2 these idiots ESPECIALLY AFTER almost 30 years the reason Mike is giddy in the showdown with KGB is the odds of him having pocket aces heads up is ASTRONOMICAL
@@Random-Stranger Too much playing to the audience, too much audience participation. Don’t mind it for these re-rewatchables, but I miss the studio pods
@@CoolHandLuke7totally agree. The humor doesn’t really translate. The stuff that plays to the audience just isnt that funny, but the crowd laughs bc they’re excited to be there (and probably a little drunk). I normally love Chris, but he comes off a bit of a try-hard in front of a live audience…The Byron Mayo and Wayne Jenkins bits were awkward as hell.
All these dopes disrespecting Knish. Outside of Chan, he's the best poker player in the movie. He doesn't do it glamorously but he's making consistent money.
“I can’t think of another person that could play Worm other than Ed Norton.” I dunno man, I wouldn’t mind seeing the Nic Cage or Christian Slater version of that character in the 90s, or the Barry Keoghan/Lucas Hedges version of that character today
Norton was on the ascension towards all time greatness but he never did the politics well. Oscar nomination for Primal Fear & American History X, the cult favorite in Fight Club. That early career run. He did what is comparable now to what Luka Doncic is doing. Just instantly became one of the greats right off the bat. And did everything but win a ring. His career is still great but he started off as Luka and finished off as Tobias Harris. Not bad, he was a valuable 3rd option on movies like Moonrise Kingdom. But, still a supporting option. He was supposed to be De Niro! Vying for more Oscars. Getting more roles offered. Imagine the talents of Luka. Someone who can do it all, does it with flair but in a humble way. Can play multiple characters, multiple personalities. But is not wanted by teams. And only offered bench roles or starting roles on losing teams.
I doubt we will ever get a true Rounders sequel. Unfortunately, a remake on Hulu starring Jack Harlow as Mike and Pete Davidson as Worm is a far more likely reality. Who am I kidding? I would 100% watch that.
I hardly ever hear anyone talking about this movie, it's wild to hear them talk about it with such high regard. It's fine, but let's be real here not that many people care about this movie or come back and rewatch it
Kanish should have done the opposite towards Damon impart wisdom if they’re a partner and he’s staking you otherwise you’re his employee and get no preferential treatment.
I’m shocked that Simmons didnt play poker before Rounders. Also Chris Ryan not knowing anything about poker and not being able to relate saying he has “no idea”? Huh?
The sequel is the judge dies and leaves Mike a portion of his inheritance and this causes conflict with gramma and by extension kgb with worm returning as well as famke Jansen and the actress who played Jo. Whom connect at the judges funeral. There is a legacy sequel here.
lol, why were they acting like Damon hadn't just been nominated for 2 oscars and won 1 right before Rounders came out? Everyone knew who he was by that point.
No, he was in The Rainmaker (Nov 1997) almost a full year before that, too, and it grossed over twice ($45m) what Rounders did ($22m). Either way, Good Will Hunting (Dec 1997, $138m) put Damon on the map well before Rounders.@@rigsby1454
In Heads up, 2 handed poker the odds of all 4 cards of a particular value being dealt in Texas Hold em are 1/250,000 roughly. Maybe Mike was hoping KGB didn't have aces but as the hand played out there was no way he's ever playing that hand differently given the odds. But it's a movie and reality is never as interesting as fiction.
Yeah, that hand is a total cooler, especially when it's a button vs. flat call in the BB. The chances KGB has AA is even smaller because he didn't three-bet pre. Can't fault Mike for stacking off there. The only thing Mike did wrong was sitting down with his entire roll as a single buy-in.
I agree. I just cant get past the cheesiness. Damon and Ed Norton were great in it, but John Malkovich and Gretchen Mol were so horrendous it takes me right out it.
Is it just me or do they all talk over Van and not give his takes the same level of consideration? And if so, that a racial thing or is he just less close to everyone?
No more Van Lathan on movies. I literally don’t download the podcast if I see his name. He’s so incredibly bad and doesn’t mesh well with the panel. But, he’ll keep getting a seat… because he’s black. There… I said it.
This is UNBEARABLE to listen to on the podcast - mainly because of Van Lathan. He’s bad enough as it is when it’s a regular Podcast, but a live Podcast - no thanks! He makes everything race related, and dial’s it up with an audience here. If you do a “black movie” fine, but when I just want to listen to what the movie is about, without the “N” word, or everything somehow related to. I’m sorry, but after 20 minutes, I just couldn’t take it… as a “white” listener. A shame bc, it’s a movie I like and wanted to listen to the positive and negative reviews.
Bc it’s a cheap way to get laughs. I’ve noticed a ton of hack stand ups yell through most of their act to cover up weak material. Sadly, it usually works
Big fan of Van and the whole podcast series. Much love and appreciation for the humor and insights. 🎉
Van’s apex mountain is his Creed hottest take, and this is the next day. All legends on this stage
One of the most classic rewatchable movies of all time. Malkovovich’s greatest role.
Seriously? Malkovich's accent is so bad and floats around so much it's easier to believe it as parody than drama.
@@David-iv6je that’s why I love it. It’s hilarious. Him and his Oreo’s bruh.
Malkovich's best role is being John malkovich
43:35 Best rant ever about that Petra/Mike scene
Totally agree my brother
Great movie! Ed Norton’s performance steals the show, it’s really a big part of why this movie is rewatchable. His absence is felt the last 20 minutes until Malkovich returns.
Malkovich and Damon were the movie for me.
That’s the great thing about this film it presupposes the audiences intellect. It never talks down to you; it throws you into the world you as the audience are left to discern it. That’s the genius of this film the way the narrative structure is delineated it makes the audience no matter who; Damon’s contemporary and equal and see things from his perspective.
Rounders is most definitely in the pantheon of all time classic movies.
Underrated movie that's still in my weekend rotation every year
1:02:05 Chris Ryan, the legend, does his Tony Romo commentary. Posting this so no one else has to dig for this gold - but watch this entire episode.
When Sean said, sounds like Boston! The look on Bill's face! Then, he said sounds like Providence! I laughed so hard! Love these guys!
Most badass Matt Damon character…….Donny in Euro Trip. “Scotty doesn’t know.”
This week, this movie went firm a 9/10 to a 10/10 for me. Love these live rewatchables shows
i wish The Ringer staff compiled the clips of all the Wayne Jenkins through Philip Hall scenes so we could get a benchmark
Almost crashed my car laughing 46:15. 😅
lol you my man are a hero, I’m glad you survived but that’s also so funny
Most underrated movie of all time
These guys know a bit about poker! This was a great listen!
This is without a doubt the best poker movie. Homeboys reference about balling at the equinox and trying out for the Lakers was funny af
The hustler was huge for pool, and then again The Color of Money, for 9 ball. Everytime i play i think of it
"So, you're looking for a little grace, Lester, a little charity" - and then Worm mouths off to Grandma, this is a very underrated scene with Rispoli, Damon, and Norton. A miss by you guys...
Loved this movie. Ed Norton was amazing.
My favourite part is Fennessey already in tears at 1:02:12 before CR starts the Romo impression 😂
They really did Forest Gump twice before even doing Sicario once .
I think they were going back to favorites for the live tour rather than doing new movies. Kind of lame, but I get it. After all, when you go to a concert and the band plays a new track, everyone uses that as an opportunity to get a second beer or hit the head.
I love ROUNDERS and all poker scenes from Rounders . I am very surprised that no one mentioned the awesome poker scene from The STING. Paul Newman and Robert Shaw. Yeah it was con poker play but so very very entertaining!!
Poker player Daniel Negreanu analyzed the final hand on his RUclips a while back. He came to the conclusion that Teddy KGB had either 66, 77, or AA, ultimately saying that AA was probably it.
I agree with this, and with the point about KGB's "this card couldn't have helped you" comment. AA is the one holding where this remark makes sense because any A-x hand is blocked.
43:35 Van brings it home as always. The hottest take and the documented biggest regret of the writers. Van we don’t deserve you
For those who don’t have time to watch the whole thing - the writers literally said they regretted that Mike and Petra didn’t fuck.
I've thought about KGB's integritey when he said, "pay that man his money" , and he needs to have some integrity because if now who would want to go to his place and play poker with money. They could go to other places in NYC
Watched the movie for the first time yesterday and somehow this drops
There is a champion race horse in Australia still active. His name... Alligator Blood! ❤
Get Russillo ready, the Fear episode needs to happen. His research of Boston area correctional facilities an how they formed Wahlberg's character will be iconic. If you're redoing Rounders and somehow chose it for your New York movie (I get Bill loves it as a Gen X gambling addict, and one for us movies are a staple of this pod, but this isn't a top 25 NY movie), you need an adrenaline injection for the pod. I don't see eye to eye with Van often but his take on how sad watching poker is what spot on.
“It could have all been different, Mr. Walker. You should have allowed nature to take its course. In the end, it will anyway. SO LET ME IN THE FUCKIN’ HOUSE!”
Is this THE best rewatchable of all time? That’s my hottest take. Upvote and downvote me please.
Thank you! Damon was the forever mark for Norton they were never “friends” they haven’t been since they were young. It was a form of manipulation. Emotionally constructed by Damon that Norton saw and exploited. Damon was the forever mark for Norton poor Damon just did not ever see it.
Mike played the first hand with kgb great. There's no way he walks away from a full house
100% I'd love to sit at a table with Fennessy if he's going to fold the 2nd nuts.
Everyone goes broke on that hand. It's called a cooler.
DragonBall Z Saiyan and Frieza Saga I’ve probably watched more than anything. That and Rounders, 8 Mile, Lord of the Rings extended Trilogy, Matrix 1, and The Fountain !
One of the most rewatchable movies of all time? That just seems hilarious to me. It's a fine movie. I've got no problems with it. But it's not even gonna crack the top 30 best popcorn flicks.
In fairness, "most rewatchable" doesn't mean "best." For my part, Rounders is probably not in my top 50 movies, but it's probably in the top 10 I've seen the most. I think that's what he was getting at, but then you'd think Shawshank is Bill's most rewatchable.
U never get bored with watching Rounders again and again
I stand for an American History X ReWatchables
Very proud that I saw this in the movie theater. About Mike's GF... He is an addict and he is back on the sauce. He has obviously promised it was a thing of the past but it's back. Her character is extremely believable and justified.
I skip any scene she's in, but I agree that her character is believable. Maybe not likeable, but definitely believable. After all, Jo was with him at the time he blew his roll (which she mentions). And we also know that she's just as pissed off at him for lying to her.
That said, if Mike is as good as he is depicted to be, it seems like she should also know he can make his money back as long as he actually practices some bankroll management. He must have made more money toward law school at the tables than he did with an hourly job.
1:15:10 you know you're here for wayne jenkins
Grammar gettting mad after he won is my biggest question mark in the movie. He's getting paid. Like what's the beef?
Wanted to go, sold out before I could get tickets
Mike is a retired professional player, Worm returtns, but he is also a successful gangster and something happens. lol
Worm says Clyde and Monroe because they won the chip when they would’ve been kids. You say your childhood hero’s not the current team. Like bill would say I was hot like Bird not like Tatum. Like I currently say “melo” when I hit a deep three on the playground not “Brunson”
Great point.
Great point indeed
Rounders made me a degenerate gambler since ‘98
Can somebody tell me who “Harling Mayo” is? I legit have no idea who that is or if I’m even hearing Bill correctly.
A sleaze ball character from an officer and a gentleman lol
@@Itsmrluis thanks. Completely forgot about that one lol
Isn’t it Byron Mayo ?
Jack Nicholson woulda been the perfect worm. Robert Duvall as Mike. Deniro as kanish. And Robert Shaw as kgb. Diane Keaton for Jo, the judge would be John Houston and Sophia Lauren for famke janson’s character.
Lucky You was a pretty decent poker film. Apart from the insane decision of letting Drew Barrymore sing 😬 Eric Bana and Robert Duvall are pretty great. An underrated poker film all round.
As soon as espn came up with the hole card camera they had a hit on their hands.
The Hockey strike and the camera shot of the cards boomed poker, and don't know how no 1 explained 2 these idiots ESPECIALLY AFTER almost 30 years the reason Mike is giddy in the showdown with KGB is the odds of him having pocket aces heads up is ASTRONOMICAL
I came in with the MoneyMaker crowd. That turned our Poker night from dealer choice to Texas Hold’em Only.
@draftmagicagain1000 the math adds up between the 2 look it up
Let’s get back in the studio
F**ck that, dude. Having a live audience for these episodes is fun.
@@Random-Stranger Too much playing to the audience, too much audience participation. Don’t mind it for these re-rewatchables, but I miss the studio pods
nah, Wayne Jenkins and Mallory's sex bit kill in front of a live audience
I agree
@@CoolHandLuke7totally agree. The humor doesn’t really translate. The stuff that plays to the audience just isnt that funny, but the crowd laughs bc they’re excited to be there (and probably a little drunk).
I normally love Chris, but he comes off a bit of a try-hard in front of a live audience…The Byron Mayo and Wayne Jenkins bits were awkward as hell.
They missed "You may sheer a sheep many times, but skin him only once." To be fair, it's a quote from Amarillo Slim in a World Full of Fat People.
I’m not sure the rewatachables liked this film they nit picked the hell out of it, also the sequel of him playing worm at the end is really good
All these dopes disrespecting Knish. Outside of Chan, he's the best poker player in the movie. He doesn't do it glamorously but he's making consistent money.
So what you can consistently make money working 9 to 5. Turning gambling into a soul crushing grind is the last thing any of them want.
If you just read the transcript of this conversation you would think all of these people were 15 years old.
“I can’t think of another person that could play Worm other than Ed Norton.”
I dunno man, I wouldn’t mind seeing the Nic Cage or Christian Slater version of that character in the 90s, or the Barry Keoghan/Lucas Hedges version of that character today
The reason it’s perfect with Norton is because he doesn’t go over the top. There’s a patience to the acting. Cage would just be over the top.
MTG shout out!!
Please do Unfaithful again.
Norton was on the ascension towards all time greatness but he never did the politics well. Oscar nomination for Primal Fear & American History X, the cult favorite in Fight Club. That early career run. He did what is comparable now to what Luka Doncic is doing. Just instantly became one of the greats right off the bat. And did everything but win a ring.
His career is still great but he started off as Luka and finished off as Tobias Harris. Not bad, he was a valuable 3rd option on movies like Moonrise Kingdom. But, still a supporting option. He was supposed to be De Niro! Vying for more Oscars. Getting more roles offered.
Imagine the talents of Luka. Someone who can do it all, does it with flair but in a humble way. Can play multiple characters, multiple personalities. But is not wanted by teams. And only offered bench roles or starting roles on losing teams.
I doubt we will ever get a true Rounders sequel. Unfortunately, a remake on Hulu starring Jack Harlow as Mike and Pete Davidson as Worm is a far more likely reality.
Who am I kidding? I would 100% watch that.
I hardly ever hear anyone talking about this movie, it's wild to hear them talk about it with such high regard. It's fine, but let's be real here not that many people care about this movie or come back and rewatch it
Ur dead wrong
Kanish should have done the opposite towards Damon impart wisdom if they’re a partner and he’s staking you otherwise you’re his employee and get no preferential treatment.
How do they not understand that Teddy can't touch Mike as it's bad for business
Matt Damon should've let her stay. If you know, you know.
Peeeeeaaayyyyy that maaaaannnnn his monnneeeeaaay.
Verrrreeeeeyyyyy agggreeeeaaaasive
I’m shocked that Simmons didnt play poker before Rounders.
Also Chris Ryan not knowing anything about poker and not being able to relate saying he has “no idea”? Huh?
The sequel is the judge dies and leaves Mike a portion of his inheritance and this causes conflict with gramma and by extension kgb with worm returning as well as famke Jansen and the actress who played Jo. Whom connect at the judges funeral. There is a legacy sequel here.
lol, why were they acting like Damon hadn't just been nominated for 2 oscars and won 1 right before Rounders came out? Everyone knew who he was by that point.
The Oscars were only a few months before. This was his first 'film' with Ripley post that where he was the star
No, he was in The Rainmaker (Nov 1997) almost a full year before that, too, and it grossed over twice ($45m) what Rounders did ($22m). Either way, Good Will Hunting (Dec 1997, $138m) put Damon on the map well before Rounders.@@rigsby1454
Mike didn't go there cos his Worm was Pretrafied.
There’s so many movies why redo
bill rocking chrome? lol
In Heads up, 2 handed poker the odds of all 4 cards of a particular value being dealt in Texas Hold em are 1/250,000 roughly. Maybe Mike was hoping KGB didn't have aces but as the hand played out there was no way he's ever playing that hand differently given the odds. But it's a movie and reality is never as interesting as fiction.
Yeah, that hand is a total cooler, especially when it's a button vs. flat call in the BB. The chances KGB has AA is even smaller because he didn't three-bet pre. Can't fault Mike for stacking off there. The only thing Mike did wrong was sitting down with his entire roll as a single buy-in.
Rounders is a solid entertaining movie, but it's never been as good as Simmons thinks it is.
You're opinion and it's wrong.
Lol okay I'm wrong he over rating it for sure.
Yeah same here i enjoy it but they talk about it like its the peak of cinema 😂
@@Jokoman019 Same with Heat. I like it but Pacino's crazed over-acting grates before we get to the halfway point.
I agree. I just cant get past the cheesiness. Damon and Ed Norton were great in it, but John Malkovich and Gretchen Mol were so horrendous it takes me right out it.
You are right. It is better than what he thinks.
Don't forget Molly's game. Rounders and that are the 2 best poker movies of all time
Give me Molly's Game over Rounders any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Molly's game sucks
I love rewatchables, but I really hate the live ones.
Bros Matt Damon. THE DEPARTED. SCUMMIEST CHARACTER hahaha.
Van isn't wrong about WILD on Ibiza in the 90s that's how Marc Cuban made his money.
Van is a douche
Van Lathan rules all
Sean’s family shouldn’t come, he won’t even laugh at any dirty jokes or contribute lol
Is it just me or do they all talk over Van and not give his takes the same level of consideration? And if so, that a racial thing or is he just less close to everyone?
Why have Chris and Van on this when they both claim to know “nothing about poker?” I love Rounders, I love Simmons
If all 4 of them think McD played the first hand wrong, then none of them know anything about poker.
No more Van Lathan on movies. I literally don’t download the podcast if I see his name. He’s so incredibly bad and doesn’t mesh well with the panel. But, he’ll keep getting a seat… because he’s black. There… I said it.
This is UNBEARABLE to listen to on the podcast - mainly because of Van Lathan. He’s bad enough as it is when it’s a regular Podcast, but a live Podcast - no thanks! He makes everything race related, and dial’s it up with an audience here. If you do a “black movie” fine, but when I just want to listen to what the movie is about, without the “N” word, or everything somehow related to. I’m sorry, but after 20 minutes, I just couldn’t take it… as a “white” listener. A shame bc, it’s a movie I like and wanted to listen to the positive and negative reviews.
You must be from Boston
This is a self-report
Suicide kings was dope
This movie invented gaslighting
The 1940s movie Gaslight invented it.
Why does Chris have to always fucking yell.
Bc it’s a cheap way to get laughs. I’ve noticed a ton of hack stand ups yell through most of their act to cover up weak material. Sadly, it usually works
is there a reason Van swears so much? Every fifth word is an F bomb. Good grief.
He completely ruins the episode
Van just doesn’t fit in with this crew.
hes not bad, i enjoy his nba content more but it's ok if bill brings him along sometimes
No he doesn't. Simmons is usually so good at placing and identifying talent, this feels like such a weird miss.
Who would you like in his place?
@@sithmorpheus9747 Russillo, Mallory Rubin, Juliet Litman, Wesley Morris, Joanna Robinson...
@@613and802 solid.