*This is my second WEN tool and they are both great **MyBest.Tools** I needed to do some trim work around the house and needed a scroll saw for the intricate work. No complaints so far.*
I can't thank you enough for all this info. This is seriously one of the best posts I've found. I appreciate the comparisons of the makers directions vs yours. The example of the more high end machine is also really helpful. I've been guilty of wanting to give up on a hobby because the entry level tools were difficult to work and so I assumed the higher end tools would be as well. Your blade changing on both machines reminds me not to assume all tools are so challenging. I can't wait to get started in this. Thank you again for sharing this.
I used a hundred dollar Ryobi for over 20 years. Used and abused; it got the job done. A few years ago I finally upgraded, and it was worth it for the ease of blade changing alone! However, I don't regret starting with a "cheap" saw one bit. I learned a lot and I got more than my money's worth out of it.
LOVE LOVE LOVE the fact that you explain the details. MANY beginners are looking at cheap tools and we don't know the particulars (like blade specifics). Thanks for explaining those things! Great review, and great learning experience. You have a new subscriber!!
Thank you so much for explaining a newbie how to use this scroll saw. It was gifted to me and I am so excited to use it, and with your help I feel 100% confident I can change the blades as needed ❤
Sr I am starting in scroll saw like this and you have done a full comprehensive video with tips and excellent explanations. Big thanks from the bottom of my heart. Have a blessed year!!!
This was a very helpful video. Useful as I try and figure out which one to buy for my little shop. Thanks for a straight-ahead, informative presentation.
Wow! Such a helpful video! Thank you! I recently purchased this scroll saw- I'm a beginner- and feel much more confident in how to use it. Thanks for sharing your helpful hacks!
Taking the side cover off makes sense as far as simplifying blade changes. Ordered mine as a first go at scroll saw work and looking forward to checking it out. Super informative!
Thanks so much! Yours's is a very accurate description of this unit. I just bought one, and all the inconveniences you display are spot on. But, as you said, this isn't a tool I will be using a lot, just to play/teach the grand kids with, so it's a very capable machine for the non commercial user.
I have only been able to afford this type of saw and have been using a magnet to hold the bottom blade holder up for years, I also have the top holder fixed by making a small plate fixed to the main screw on top holder that way for me makes it easier to attach the blade also i use a rubber band stretched over the blower securing knob to the blower pipe then when you loosen it the blower rises up to the top and gives you more room .I also keep a few extra holders so you can have different sizes of blades you might need .
For the pinless blade, there are two indents on the top, back of the upper arm where you put the adapters. This is to ensure of placement and proper length of the blade.
As usual steve, you've done the scroll saw world a world of good. Your video answered so many questions that a newbie might have. Now all we have to do is get the word out about your video. I posted it on Scrollsaw Village so I hope that will help.
Thank you so much for giving tips on the pinless blade set up !!! I just got my Wen for Christmas and this was the only thing I had trouble with !!! you are my scroll saw hero !!! Merry Christmas
Like the magnet idea. Have been using a pair of hemostats. lift the project grab the blade at the table top. Then i can change holes. Definitely going to try the magnet. If you make every third project for your wife. you can play longer. Thank you Steve for all you do
I don't understand this review. Aren't you supposed to spend the whole video taking things out of a box and then dramatically throw the manual away... because, y'know, you're a DIYer who can figure sh#t out? Seriously though, THANK YOU. To have an actual review by someone who knows what they're talking about and actually has expertise and insight into a product's offerings and its limitations is so rare on the University of RUclips. This was incredibly helpful and is directly influencing my purchasing decision. Thank you!
i picked up a Dremel 1680 variable speed for 75 dollars and it seems well made and is very heavy. It uses both pined and plane end blades. I had to derust the table but it works great now. On the 1680 the cover under the table opens back on hinges which allows easy access without taking screws out. Thanks for making and sharing this video. I'm looking forward to starting some small projects.
you convinced me on the wen i got the 3923 the pinless hardware came w/ wing nuts no allen wrench (that's convenient) but they sent two more of something similar .Their isn't a hole in the bottom for the blade nor is their a cross pin to slide over the keeper Ia'm totally confused you tube doesn't have any references for the 3923. perhaps with your influence you could ask them what and how to use the extra keepers they sent.Thanks for yr advice about the entry level wen.
I have the Central Machinery Scroll Saw. I replaced the adapter for pinless blades. It’s works a lot better with the new adapter. Also, I took off the side cover on the left side. For getting into the underside as well as vacuuming it out is easier. You video is great. Looking forward to getting a higher end soon.
Have you tried using the blade setting fixture on the top arm? Looks like an easy way to set the same/correct blade length each time you replace the blade. Unfortunately, my Harbor Freight version of the Wen doesn't have the fixture.
Great Video! You just earned another Sub. Thanks! I'm just getting back I to throw Hobby. I'm expecting my WEN 3923 to be delivered today. 30 years ago, I got started on a Dremel Scroll Saw. Then life happened and I haven't touched one in 25 years. My Daughter did a project in School on a scroll Saw and asked me if I'd consider adding one to my little basement workshop, so I immediately ordered the WEN. Im as excited as her to make some Holiday Projects together😊
Welcome back to the hobby. I also have thousands of free patterns and a daily blog that I write. Hope to see you there. scrollsawworkshop.blogspot.com/
Thank you for this video. I got this saw last Xmas but have not really used it. Now I am encouraged to give it a whirl and the tips will make it more convenient. Your video was well done and easy to follow.
Recent experience with a similar $100 saw has largely taken the wind out of my sails for this hobby : when a pinless blade slipped out of the clamping system, I re-tightened it, and then the screw inside the clamping device snapped/broke inside the clamp, so I had to return the saw to the store where I bought it. The solution of course is to buy a high-end saw, but these cost about 10-times as much as a DIY-store saw. I don’t think that it would be cost-prohibitive to equip a saw like this with an easy-to-use clamping system, such as the ones used by Pegas or Hegner. That would make the entry into this hobby much easier for beginners, and would avoid the hassle that the awkward clamping system has caused to me, and surely to many others too.
I live in Europe (scotland) and have an ALDI variant of the saw you have reviewed; I have also discarded thr cover/saw blade store thing. It makes it more useable if you do that: Be responsible for your own fingers.
Steve Good hi, thank you so much for your reply. Yeah I just ordered the 3922 coming on Saturday, please di some quick tip review on that, I’m a DIY/beginner
Very nice explanation, Steve. I wouldn't want to do a lot of fine fretwork on this, but for an occasional project it would be quite useful, especially for the new scroll sawyer.
The WEN 3921 met my expectations and found it to be functional after a few adjustments. I added a light shade (piece of tape) to reduce flickering; a foot switch ($13) and magnifying glass ($5). Like your idea of adding a magnet to bottom arm for pinless blades. Not perfect scroll saw but works for my hobby projects.
Hi Steve so I've had this saw for about 1 yr to 1 yr & halve and I've learned more from you than I thought I I could else where. By my luck my saw didn't come with the upper & lower pinless clamps since I bought it second hand. Also I went into WEN's website and they are sold out so ill be waiting on that. Anyhow thank you for your time. God bless 🙏
Looking into a good scroll saw for minor metal work, and thanks for doing a good in-depth look at this one. Saved me a mountain of frustration and taught me about pin-end blades.
Very informative video. I bought one last summer and just got around to tinkering with it. The blade head information was great. I unboxed mine and after seeing all the videos was fearing the pinned blades. Now I can swap over to real blades and not have to cough up a bunch of money on an upgrade so soon. Thanks for all the downloadable patterns as well. Really going to help with making clocks.
I have an old Dremel that is about the same saw. The clamp hangers on my saw have a piece of metal, like a spring, on top and bottom. It holds the blade clamps on the hangers. Looks like it would be easy enough to remove the screw on the bottom hanger and put a thin piece of metal on, then the hanger then put it back on the machine. That would keep the hanger from falling off when tension is removed. I also bought several extra blade clamps. I keep one on the top arm of the saw and put the others on the blades I plan to use. When I change a blade all I do is release the tension and remove the center plate, pop the blade clamp off the bottom hanger and pop the next blade in. I leave the top hanger on the arm and hold the blade while bringing the arm down, guide the blade into the clamp and tighten the screw.
What great tips!!! Got this saw as a gift, knew it was a cheaper model, but couldn't wait. Except for larger cuts, fretwork was impossible with the pinned blades. Actually like being able to use both. The magnet tip was gold! Although the magnet doesn't stay in place, it's no problem placing it on and off especially with that cowling out of the way.. I've gotten pretty quick with taking the top adapter on and off. Followed every suggestion. I can't imagine figuring out all of this on my own. Thank you!!!!
Thanks Steve for the explanations. On top of the machine near where the tension of the machine has a 2 holes in the arm, they serve as template for placing the blades without pin. it may have been easier to put them on.
Much appreciated. Clearly you are very familiar with the design and functionality of scroll saws. Your needs are likely different than mine and what is appreciated is that you state that at the beginning and then proceed to show me how i might use my entry level saw (Ryobi) in a way that maximizes it's potential. Thank you
U sir, r a blessing. There's a difference between being cheap and having no money. I have little money. But, REALLY want 2 get n2 this. So, as soon as I get my monthly SS check, I'm buying 1. Ok, enuf about poor me. U just saved me a ton of aggravation. I'd b cussing up a storm changing blades. I know nothing about scrolling. U just shared a wealth of information. I am considering this saw, not sure yet. Thank u.
Great video! Very helpful. I have major issues with my wood bouncing all over the place (yes, the blade teeth are in the correct direction) and I can hardly hold onto the wood I am working on. It is not flat wood and pretty thin and delicate. I don't know what to do to solve it. Any suggestions would be wonderful! Thanks! :)
Very good video Sir. I'm a beginner in "scrolling" so just hadn't a clue what to spend or what to buy. I think I'll give the "Wen 39/21" a go! Your honest explanations have clarified a lot of questions I wanted to ask Many thanks. Phil Edwards. Flintshire, North Wales. UK.
was considering an Excalibur$$$ scroll saw. then I noticed the wen 100$ + nay cant be any good, you sir changed my mind .I have a delta 322 problems with it from the beginning .I would compare the 322 to what you displayed the wen like a Rolls Royce to a yugo.I hope wen compensates your incredible in sight on describing this saw.THANK YOU
Thanks. Well done review. I just bought a Tacklife scroll saw, which looks almost identical to the Wen. I couldn't figure out how to mount pinless blades, but your explanation saved me. I've used my saw for a few minutes & so far, so good. I think it was a good choice for a first time user like me.
Good video. I have this saw in Australia which is marketed under a different name. I have struggled with the blade installation and have taken the side plate cover off too. the main problem I have is the 2 pinless clamps having set screws to tighten the blade into the holder which means I have to use a set screw wrench and is very awkard to say the lease. The thumb screws on your model would make it much easier to insert the blade and I will see if they are available in Australia. There is an Olson conversion kit that has a much better clamp system sells is Australia for around $40Aus. I like the idea of the magnet and will give that a try tomorrow. My main SC a Hegner gave up the ghost today so I have to percivere with this one until I get some more cash to buy a better one.
Thank you so very much for your videos. I can't wait to get a scroll saw. Do you have a link to the pedal you have? I have one saved in my Amazon cart, but I'm not sure if it's the same one or same style. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge. So thankful for you and your time.
Found 'regular' clamps for blade changes. Took the factory assembly off; the new clamps just fit into place with the same screws. Now I can just unscrew the top clamp for blade hole insertion...makes it a "hole" lot easier. Great Review! :-)
Thank you so much! I just used mine for the first time today. I wish l had seen your video first. Getting the pinless blade into the machine nearly drove me crazy with the scratched hands amd bent blade. Tomorrow l am going back with a screwdriver and a magnet!
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This was a wonderful demonstration and review. I have the King Canada which is the same except for changing to pinless blades. I wish I had of seen this before purchasing mine. I would have chosen another higher quality saw even for my entry into scroll sawing. Thank you for sharing. I also love your patterns.
I was wondering how those inexpensive saws work. There is several look-a-likes so it is confusing. I actually started out with a good saw because I was in need of one. I bought the Delta variable speed 20" C arm it is a production saw and works great. Like you I have a collection of saws I don't really need but I like the variety. I have a Craftsman 18" the DeWalt 788 type one, a Hegner and an RBI HAWK which I really love. Good review.
Thanks for all the info, I've just bought a scroll saw Holzmann DKS21 which is the same as yours [just different labels] only thing I found weird is the light only works when the saw is running so its no use for blade changes.
When you are adjusting tension, do you figure it by sound? Seems like you were using that as guide. I have this and when I did the pinless blades they kept popping out of unit- is that a speed and tension issue? Or the wood is too hard for the blade? Thanks for this video- it was so useful!
Hi Carter. Blade tension is a combination of sound and feel. Then when you start cutting you will notice that the blade is drifting if you don't have enough tension. The problem is that some entry-level saws cannot handle what I would call proper tension. The clamps are just not good at holding the blade tight. The entry-level WEN does have this issue. Some people will use sandpaper and lightly roughen up the contact points of the clamps. This does seem to help but don't get too aggressive. The WEN can cut with what I call less than ideal tension but it won't be as accurate as a higher-end saw with better clamps. It is just a limitation of entry-level saws in general.
Can I purchase several sets of blade clamps then prepare all my different blades? Also, could not that lower clamp be magnetized for easy holding of blades? Thanks
It is possible to prepare blades in clamps but keep in mind that a good scroll saw blade only lasts for about 45 minutes of cutting. They get dull pretty quickly. The WEN 3921 in this review has been replaced by the 3922. It has a redesigned clamping system that is better. Some of the tips in this video are now not necessary.
Awesome video. I'm considering upgrading my entry level Craftsman scroll saw that is about 100 years old. The information provided here gives me a good base line on what to look for and still stay within my budget. Your teaching is great and look forward to watching more of your videos. Cheers and keep making sawdust.
It’s really easy to modify the clamps to accept plane end blades by replacing them with the Mikita clamps which are tool less. A mod well worth doing. My biggest issue with this saw is the inability to lift the arm.
Replacing the blade holding mechanism with Royobi parts eliminates the need for the separate clamps and makes this saw a whole lot better for using pinless blades. It’s a huge upgrade for not much money. The lower cover can be modified for quick release making access to the bottom clamp easier. Another good mod is to replace the throat plate with a zero clearance insert fairly easy to make yourself. There are a lot of things you can do to make this an acceptable saw for a lot less money than an expensive saw.
Now this is a good review. You present a lot of clear, specific details about the saw and how to use it. I know it was a lot of work, but I really appreciate the section on using the pinless adapters. I wish all the reviews were this good. richard -- Television is called a medium because it is neither rare nor well done. - attributed to Ernie Kovacs
I've had a couple of older Dremel's and they work fine for occasional work. I just have never been able to justify much more than the $100 I've spent for them, but there have been a few times when a high end saw would have come in very handy. I use mine for those occasional small parts I need to make that no other tool can do. A high end saw may change what I do for a living slightly, but for my money it goes to my Sawstop to save my fingers. I've never lost a fingertip on a cheap scroll saw. I can't say that about my old table saw(s)..
great video, I have been using a porter cable entry level for the past couple years looking to upgrade but just trying to justify the expense . wonder what should be the height level of the saw? floor to table on saw was wondering if I have mine to low from the floor I look over my projects causing some back fatigue any suggestions. thank for the daily messages.
My scroll saw is set at the same height as my elbows when setting so arms and back aligned with saw table and remain relaxed. If back problems continue consider a standing bench and saw set as same height as elbows. Seems to work for hobby use.
Good information 👍 are you still have the small saw after one year this video was posted?? If yes do you still like it ?? Because I need to bay one for my projects
Hi Rejane. I only purchased this saw for review purposes. I gave this one away right after the review so I don't have long-term experience with it. The guy I gave it to still uses it and has not had any significant issues.
if you make a T handle its super fast and you get used to it i used mine for around 2 years before i needed a bigger table lol so i upgraded to the delta
I use a 5/32 inch hole for pinned blades. Normal hole for pinless blades is "2/32" so the hole for pinned blades is not that much larger given the patterns being cut out.
I’m curious why you didn’t use the clamp/blade guides on top of the machine. My old Delta had those and they were much quicker than fiddling with changing pinless blades by hand.
Great detailed tutorial. One thing I have noticed with the budget scroll saws the aluminum table contributes to more vibration . Most budget tables have a punched hole that raises and deforms the surface of the table I.e. the opening is the high point. To check take a straight edge lay it across the top of the table to verify. Also the blower blows the fine dust towards you. Wear a mask ? Wish it blew the dust away from you.
Why go pinless when using pins can save you so much aggravation? This set up looks an awful lot like Delta's. I'm looking forward to getting my hands on a Wen soon, but it's going to take me some time and lots of patience to deal with the pinless blade changing. If people want real thin blades, try filing them down on their backsides to get them into tight turnaround holes. What has my curiosity if the duo-direction aspect of this saw and using the left to right ripping function when it comes to beveling.
Hi Steven. There is no comparison between pin end and pinless blades. There are no pin-end blades that get anywhere near as small as pinless blades. That's the reason no mid-level or high-end scroll saws even accept pin-end blades. You are correct that pin-end blades are better secured to the clamps on entry-level saws. The clamps on better saws hold very securely so the pinless blades work well and stay clamped. The better saws are also much easier to install blades. On entry-level saws like the one in this video, pin-end blades are more acceptable simply because the clamps are not great. You just have to limit yourself to simpler patterns. If you use a scroll saw for basic cuts then pin-end blades are fine.
Very educational video! I want to upgrade to a newer entry-level scroll saw, this looks like something I could use. I don't use one often but I'd like to have air as an option. Very good review, detailed and educational.
Thanks Steve. I have 2 Wens one at home and one in my little retirement shop. I have made a number of projects successfully although I recognize the shortcomings. So far I have worked around them. I appreciate you suggestions. And observations. They will help. I have used many of you patters from your website. Thanks a bunch!
I am highly impressed with your review! So informative and helpful. I am new to the scroll saw world, but so excited! Your review helped me a lot. Thanks so much! ***And I also very much appreciate you showing both perspectives (the Wen's and yours)! Liked and Subscribed!
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*This is my second WEN tool and they are both great **MyBest.Tools** I needed to do some trim work around the house and needed a scroll saw for the intricate work. No complaints so far.*
I can't thank you enough for all this info. This is seriously one of the best posts I've found. I appreciate the comparisons of the makers directions vs yours. The example of the more high end machine is also really helpful. I've been guilty of wanting to give up on a hobby because the entry level tools were difficult to work and so I assumed the higher end tools would be as well. Your blade changing on both machines reminds me not to assume all tools are so challenging. I can't wait to get started in this. Thank you again for sharing this.
I used a hundred dollar Ryobi for over 20 years. Used and abused; it got the job done. A few years ago I finally upgraded, and it was worth it for the ease of blade changing alone! However, I don't regret starting with a "cheap" saw one bit. I learned a lot and I got more than my money's worth out of it.
You must have been a shop teacher in a past life. Absolutely the best video out there on this machine, and you made my life a lot easier.
LOVE LOVE LOVE the fact that you explain the details. MANY beginners are looking at cheap tools and we don't know the particulars (like blade specifics). Thanks for explaining those things! Great review, and great learning experience. You have a new subscriber!!
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Fantastic demonstration! To the point without a lot of chit chat. Many thanks.
Just bought this to start my new CV19 hobby. Very informative for a newbie as i literally knew nothing on scrollsaws.
Thank you so much for explaining a newbie how to use this scroll saw. It was gifted to me and I am so excited to use it, and with your help I feel 100% confident I can change the blades as needed ❤
Love the tip on using the magnet. I also have the same pinless blade adapter. This should help
I've been toying with the idea of getting a scroll saw. You, sir, have answered all the questions I didn't even know I had.
Thank you!
Steve, good information for those looking for an entry level saw. Thanks for taking the time to do the video.
Hi Steve, love how you teach, it's informative and to the point while covering every question I had. Learned some new things too. Thanks again!!
This was a great demo to the 3921 Wen scroll saw. The directions in the box did not show how to use the pinless blades. Thanks for the video.
Sr I am starting in scroll saw like this and you have done a full comprehensive video with tips and excellent explanations. Big thanks from the bottom of my heart. Have a blessed year!!!
The best review of a tool that I’ve ever seen! Great job! Thanks for what you do!
This was a very helpful video. Useful as I try and figure out which one to buy for my little shop. Thanks for a straight-ahead, informative presentation.
I liked the way you showed the 'Wen' recommended way and the way You change the blade. Informative without a lot of fluff. Liked and Subscribed.
BEST video I've seen for this saw. And yeah, that side "tool box" thing is CRAP. I broke the clasp off the first time I tried to close it!!
Wow! Such a helpful video! Thank you! I recently purchased this scroll saw- I'm a beginner- and feel much more confident in how to use it. Thanks for sharing your helpful hacks!
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Taking the side cover off makes sense as far as simplifying blade changes. Ordered mine as a first go at scroll saw work and looking forward to checking it out. Super informative!
You, sir, are so good at your explanations. Very thorough and clear. thanks!
Thanks so much! Yours's is a very accurate description of this unit. I just bought one, and all the inconveniences you display are spot on. But, as you said, this isn't a tool I will be using a lot, just to play/teach the grand kids with, so it's a very capable machine for the non commercial user.
I have only been able to afford this type of saw and have been using a magnet to hold the bottom blade holder up for years, I also have the top holder fixed by making a small plate fixed to the main screw on top holder that way for me makes it easier to attach the blade also i use a rubber band stretched over the blower securing knob to the blower pipe then when you loosen it the blower rises up to the top and gives you more room .I also keep a few extra holders so you can have different sizes of blades you might need .
Well done, Steve!
For the pinless blade, there are two indents on the top, back of the upper arm where you put the adapters. This is to ensure of placement and proper length of the blade.
Good simple analysis & very helpful info for prospective buyer.
As usual steve, you've done the scroll saw world a world of good. Your video answered so many questions that a newbie might have. Now all we have to do is get the word out about your video. I posted it on Scrollsaw Village so I hope that will help.
Thanks, Ray. That is very kind of you to say.
Thank you so much for giving tips on the pinless blade set up !!! I just got my Wen for Christmas and this was the only thing I had trouble with !!! you are my scroll saw hero !!! Merry Christmas
Like the magnet idea. Have been using a pair of hemostats. lift the project grab the blade at the table top. Then i can change holes. Definitely going to try the magnet. If you make every third project for your wife. you can play longer. Thank you Steve for all you do
I don't understand this review. Aren't you supposed to spend the whole video taking things out of a box and then dramatically throw the manual away... because, y'know, you're a DIYer who can figure sh#t out? Seriously though, THANK YOU. To have an actual review by someone who knows what they're talking about and actually has expertise and insight into a product's offerings and its limitations is so rare on the University of RUclips. This was incredibly helpful and is directly influencing my purchasing decision. Thank you!
You had me worried for just a moment. :)
i picked up a Dremel 1680 variable speed for 75 dollars and it seems well made and is very heavy.
It uses both pined and plane end blades.
I had to derust the table but it works great now.
On the 1680 the cover under the table opens back on hinges which allows easy access without taking screws out.
Thanks for making and sharing this video. I'm looking forward to starting some small projects.
you convinced me on the wen i got the 3923 the pinless hardware came w/ wing nuts no allen wrench (that's convenient) but they sent two more of something similar .Their isn't a hole in the bottom for the blade nor is their a cross pin to slide over the keeper Ia'm totally confused you tube doesn't have any references for the 3923. perhaps with your influence you could ask them what and how to use the extra keepers they sent.Thanks for yr advice about the entry level wen.
I have the Central Machinery Scroll Saw. I replaced the adapter for pinless blades. It’s works a lot better with the new adapter. Also, I took off the side cover on the left side. For getting into the underside as well as vacuuming it out is easier. You video is great. Looking forward to getting a higher end soon.
Have you tried using the blade setting fixture on the top arm? Looks like an easy way to set the same/correct blade length each time you replace the blade. Unfortunately, my Harbor Freight version of the Wen doesn't have the fixture.
I have a much better light and blower on my Vonhause machine but the rest is the same. Your information really helps. Thanks
Great Video! You just earned another Sub. Thanks! I'm just getting back I to throw Hobby. I'm expecting my WEN 3923 to be delivered today. 30 years ago, I got started on a Dremel Scroll Saw. Then life happened and I haven't touched one in 25 years. My Daughter did a project in School on a scroll Saw and asked me if I'd consider adding one to my little basement workshop, so I immediately ordered the WEN. Im as excited as her to make some Holiday Projects together😊
Welcome back to the hobby. I also have thousands of free patterns and a daily blog that I write. Hope to see you there. scrollsawworkshop.blogspot.com/
Thank you for this video. I got this saw last Xmas but have not really used it. Now I am encouraged to give it a whirl and the tips will make it more convenient. Your video was well done and easy to follow.
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Recent experience with a similar $100 saw has largely taken the wind out of my sails for this hobby : when a pinless blade slipped out of the clamping system, I re-tightened it, and then the screw inside the clamping device snapped/broke inside the clamp, so I had to return the saw to the store where I bought it. The solution of course is to buy a high-end saw, but these cost about 10-times as much as a DIY-store saw. I don’t think that it would be cost-prohibitive to equip a saw like this with an easy-to-use clamping system, such as the ones used by Pegas or Hegner. That would make the entry into this hobby much easier for beginners, and would avoid the hassle that the awkward clamping system has caused to me, and surely to many others too.
I live in Europe (scotland) and have an ALDI variant of the saw you have reviewed; I have also discarded thr cover/saw blade store thing. It makes it more useable if you do that: Be responsible for your own fingers.
I’m in process of looking for a scroll saw and you helped me alot with this video! Thanks
Hi Jamie. I just ordered the upgrades WEN 3922. I should have it in a couple of days. I will review the changes and post another video.
Steve Good hi, thank you so much for your reply. Yeah I just ordered the 3922 coming on Saturday, please di some quick tip review on that, I’m a DIY/beginner
Great in depth review and tips. Thanks for the details.
Very nice explanation, Steve. I wouldn't want to do a lot of fine fretwork on this, but for an occasional project it would be quite useful, especially for the new scroll sawyer.
The WEN 3921 met my expectations and found it to be functional after a few adjustments. I added a light shade (piece of tape) to reduce flickering; a foot switch ($13) and magnifying glass ($5). Like your idea of adding a magnet to bottom arm for pinless blades. Not perfect scroll saw but works for my hobby projects.
Thank you for this review. I’m just getting into wood crafting/hobby and was thinking about getting one of these. Thanks again
Hi Steve so I've had this saw for about 1 yr to 1 yr & halve and I've learned more from you than I thought I I could else where. By my luck my saw didn't come with the upper & lower pinless clamps since I bought it second hand. Also I went into WEN's website and they are sold out so ill be waiting on that. Anyhow thank you for your time. God bless 🙏
Looking into a good scroll saw for minor metal work, and thanks for doing a good in-depth look at this one. Saved me a mountain of frustration and taught me about pin-end blades.
Very informative video. I bought one last summer and just got around to tinkering with it. The blade head information was great. I unboxed mine and after seeing all the videos was fearing the pinned blades. Now I can swap over to real blades and not have to cough up a bunch of money on an upgrade so soon. Thanks for all the downloadable patterns as well. Really going to help with making clocks.
I have an old Dremel that is about the same saw. The clamp hangers on my saw have a piece of metal, like a spring, on top and bottom. It holds the blade clamps on the hangers. Looks like it would be easy enough to remove the screw on the bottom hanger and put a thin piece of metal on, then the hanger then put it back on the machine. That would keep the hanger from falling off when tension is removed. I also bought several extra blade clamps. I keep one on the top arm of the saw and put the others on the blades I plan to use. When I change a blade all I do is release the tension and remove the center plate, pop the blade clamp off the bottom hanger and pop the next blade in. I leave the top hanger on the arm and hold the blade while bringing the arm down, guide the blade into the clamp and tighten the screw.
Thanks for making this, lots of great information about the saw. You answered many questions I had about setup and use!
Very nicely done video, you gave me the information I needed to get started and thank you for doing that.
What great tips!!! Got this saw as a gift, knew it was a cheaper model, but couldn't wait. Except for larger cuts, fretwork was impossible with the pinned blades. Actually like being able to use both. The magnet tip was gold! Although the magnet doesn't stay in place, it's no problem placing it on and off especially with that cowling out of the way.. I've gotten pretty quick with taking the top adapter on and off. Followed every suggestion. I can't imagine figuring out all of this on my own. Thank you!!!!
Thanks Steve for the explanations. On top of the machine near where the tension of the machine has a 2 holes in the arm, they serve as template for placing the blades without pin. it may have been easier to put them on.
Much appreciated. Clearly you are very familiar with the design and functionality of scroll saws. Your needs are likely different than mine and what is appreciated is that you state that at the beginning and then proceed to show me how i might use my entry level saw (Ryobi) in a way that maximizes it's potential. Thank you
Can you explain the tension a bit more, how tight or how loose you should have it or the right tune!! Thank you
U sir, r a blessing. There's a difference between being cheap and having no money. I have little money. But, REALLY want 2 get n2 this. So, as soon as I get my monthly SS check, I'm buying 1.
Ok, enuf about poor me.
U just saved me a ton of aggravation. I'd b cussing up a storm changing blades. I know nothing about scrolling. U just shared a wealth of information. I am considering this saw, not sure yet. Thank u.
Great presentation complimented with nice tips
Great video! Very helpful. I have major issues with my wood bouncing all over the place (yes, the blade teeth are in the correct direction) and I can hardly hold onto the wood I am working on. It is not flat wood and pretty thin and delicate. I don't know what to do to solve it. Any suggestions would be wonderful! Thanks! :)
19:30 good idea on the magnet.
Very good video Sir. I'm a beginner in "scrolling" so just hadn't a clue what to spend or what to buy. I think I'll give the "Wen 39/21" a go! Your honest explanations have clarified a lot of questions I wanted to ask Many thanks. Phil Edwards. Flintshire, North Wales. UK.
was considering an Excalibur$$$ scroll saw. then I noticed the wen 100$ + nay cant be any good, you sir changed my mind .I have a delta 322 problems with it from the beginning .I would compare the 322 to what you displayed the wen like a Rolls Royce to a yugo.I hope wen compensates your incredible in sight on describing this saw.THANK YOU
Thanks for sharing this video and your thoughts.
Thanks. Well done review. I just bought a Tacklife scroll saw, which looks almost identical to the Wen. I couldn't figure out how to mount pinless blades, but your explanation saved me. I've used my saw for a few minutes & so far, so good. I think it was a good choice for a first time user like me.
This was an absolutey fabulous review. Thanks!
Good video. I have this saw in Australia which is marketed under a different name. I have struggled with the blade installation and have taken the side plate cover off too. the main problem I have is the 2 pinless clamps having set screws to tighten the blade into the holder which means I have to use a set screw wrench and is very awkard to say the lease. The thumb screws on your model would make it much easier to insert the blade and I will see if they are available in Australia. There is an Olson conversion kit that has a much better clamp system sells is Australia for around $40Aus. I like the idea of the magnet and will give that a try tomorrow. My main SC a Hegner gave up the ghost today so I have to percivere with this one until I get some more cash to buy a better one.
Thank you so very much for your videos. I can't wait to get a scroll saw. Do you have a link to the pedal you have? I have one saved in my Amazon cart, but I'm not sure if it's the same one or same style. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge. So thankful for you and your time.
Found 'regular' clamps for blade changes. Took the factory assembly off; the new clamps just fit into place with the same screws. Now I can just unscrew the top clamp for blade hole insertion...makes it a "hole" lot easier. Great Review! :-)
Joseph Snyder where’d you get these?
same question
Excellent detailed video! I learned so much! Thank you Sir!
Thank you so much! I just used mine for the first time today. I wish l had seen your video first. Getting the pinless blade into the machine nearly drove me crazy with the scratched hands amd bent blade. Tomorrow l am going back with a screwdriver and a magnet!
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@@ade-woodcrafts No way am l doing that to my saw!
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WEn should have paid you to do this!! You are really good at explain how the saw works, specially how to set it up. THANK YOU!!
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Very good video. Learned a lot. Thank You
This was a wonderful demonstration and review. I have the King Canada which is the same except for changing to pinless blades. I wish I had of seen this before purchasing mine. I would have chosen another higher quality saw even for my entry into scroll sawing. Thank you for sharing. I also love your patterns.
I was wondering how those inexpensive saws work. There is several look-a-likes so it is confusing. I actually started out with a good saw because I was in need of one. I bought the Delta variable speed 20" C arm it is a production saw and works great. Like you I have a collection of saws I don't really need but I like the variety. I have a Craftsman 18" the DeWalt 788 type one, a Hegner and an RBI HAWK which I really love. Good review.
Thanks for all the info, I've just bought a scroll saw Holzmann DKS21 which is the same as yours [just different labels] only thing I found weird is the light only works when the saw is running so its no use for blade changes.
Thanks very for taking the time to show a great break down!
Grey Video - Will this unit handle 3/4 thickness?
When you are adjusting tension, do you figure it by sound? Seems like you were using that as guide. I have this and when I did the pinless blades they kept popping out of unit- is that a speed and tension issue? Or the wood is too hard for the blade? Thanks for this video- it was so useful!
Hi Carter. Blade tension is a combination of sound and feel. Then when you start cutting you will notice that the blade
is drifting if you don't have enough tension. The problem is that some entry-level saws cannot handle what I would call proper tension. The clamps are just not good at holding the blade tight. The entry-level WEN does have this issue. Some people will use sandpaper and lightly roughen up the contact points of the clamps. This does seem to help but don't get too aggressive. The WEN can cut with what I call less than ideal tension but it won't be as accurate as a higher-end saw with better clamps. It is just a limitation of entry-level saws in general.
@@stevegood3224 Thanks!
Can I purchase several sets of blade clamps then prepare all my different blades? Also, could not that lower clamp be magnetized for easy holding of blades? Thanks
It is possible to prepare blades in clamps but keep in mind that a good scroll saw blade only lasts for about 45 minutes of cutting. They get dull pretty quickly. The WEN 3921 in this review has been replaced by the 3922. It has a redesigned clamping system that is better. Some of the tips in this video are now not necessary.
Just got this model for Christmas. This is a fantastic video. Thank you, sir.
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Awesome video. I'm considering upgrading my entry level Craftsman scroll saw that is about 100 years old. The information provided here gives me a good base line on what to look for and still stay within my budget. Your teaching is great and look forward to watching more of your videos. Cheers and keep making sawdust.
Thanks for the informative video. I have ordered one and can't wait for it to arrive. Your tips will be a great help.
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It’s really easy to modify the clamps to accept plane end blades by replacing them with the Mikita clamps which are tool less. A mod well worth doing. My biggest issue with this saw is the inability to lift the arm.
Correction… it’s the Royobi clamps
Replacing the blade holding mechanism with Royobi parts eliminates the need for the separate clamps and makes this saw a whole lot better for using pinless blades. It’s a huge upgrade for not much money. The lower cover can be modified for quick release making access to the bottom clamp easier. Another good mod is to replace the throat plate with a zero clearance insert fairly easy to make yourself. There are a lot of things you can do to make this an acceptable saw for a lot less money than an expensive saw.
Is there a particular Ryobi model that you used the part from?
Now this is a good review. You present a lot of clear, specific details about the saw and how to use it. I know it was a lot of work, but I really appreciate the section on using the pinless adapters. I wish all the reviews were this good.
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I've had a couple of older Dremel's and they work fine for occasional work. I just have never been able to justify much more than the $100 I've spent for them, but there have been a few times when a high end saw would have come in very handy. I use mine for those occasional small parts I need to make that no other tool can do. A high end saw may change what I do for a living slightly, but for my money it goes to my Sawstop to save my fingers. I've never lost a fingertip on a cheap scroll saw. I can't say that about my old table saw(s)..
I think a scroll saw of any caliber is useful
great video, I have been using a porter cable entry level for the past couple years looking to upgrade but just trying to justify the expense . wonder what should be the height level of the saw? floor to table on saw was wondering if I have mine to low from the floor I look over my projects causing some back fatigue any suggestions. thank for the daily messages.
My scroll saw is set at the same height as my elbows when setting so arms and back aligned with saw table and remain relaxed. If back problems continue consider a standing bench and saw set as same height as elbows. Seems to work for hobby use.
Hi Steve, thank you very much for this info. I have a question: do you recommend the WEN saw for intricate work with polyethylene foam? Thanks.
Im interested here as well, as with foam I would have always thought a hot wire cutter would be the best option.
Great video. I learned a lot from it.
Good information 👍 are you still have the small saw after one year this video was posted?? If yes do you still like it ?? Because I need to bay one for my projects
Hi Rejane. I only purchased this saw for review purposes. I gave this one away right after the review so I don't have long-term experience with it. The guy I gave it to still uses it and has not had any significant issues.
Loved that blooper🤣
Just visited pattern site and downloaded a couple patterns. I'm and Pipefitter retired/new scroller/and Luthier. I'll be back!!!
What would be better?.. Ryobi or Wen scroll saw?
What a terrific video! One of the best. Thanks so much
Excellent review. Blade change seems far too difficult but it is a entry level saw.
if you make a T handle its super fast and you get used to it i used mine for around 2 years before i needed a bigger table lol so i upgraded to the delta
I use a 5/32 inch hole for pinned blades. Normal hole for pinless blades is "2/32" so the hole for pinned blades is not that much larger given the patterns being cut out.
I’m curious why you didn’t use the clamp/blade guides on top of the machine. My old Delta had those and they were much quicker than fiddling with changing pinless blades by hand.
Will this saw cut 3/4 inch pine or is it just for small projects?
It will cut 3/4" pine. You have to slow the cuts down but with a good blade, it will work fine.
Great detailed tutorial. One thing I have noticed with the budget scroll saws the aluminum table contributes to more vibration .
Most budget tables have a punched hole that raises and deforms the surface of the table I.e. the opening is the high point.
To check take a straight edge lay it across the top of the table to verify. Also the blower blows the fine dust towards you.
Wear a mask ? Wish it blew the dust away from you.
Why go pinless when using pins can save you so much aggravation? This set up looks an awful lot like Delta's. I'm looking forward to getting my hands on a Wen soon, but it's going to take me some time and lots of patience to deal with the pinless blade changing. If people want real thin blades, try filing them down on their backsides to get them into tight turnaround holes. What has my curiosity if the duo-direction aspect of this saw and using the left to right ripping function when it comes to beveling.
Hi Steven. There is no comparison between pin end and pinless blades. There are no pin-end blades that get anywhere near as small as pinless blades. That's the reason no mid-level or high-end scroll saws even accept pin-end blades. You are correct that pin-end blades are better secured to the clamps on entry-level saws. The clamps on better saws hold very securely so the pinless blades work well and stay clamped. The better saws are also much easier to install blades. On entry-level saws like the one in this video, pin-end blades are more acceptable simply because the clamps are not great. You just have to limit yourself to simpler patterns. If you use a scroll saw for basic cuts then pin-end blades are fine.
Very educational video! I want to upgrade to a newer entry-level scroll saw, this looks like something I could use. I don't use one often but I'd like to have air as an option. Very good review, detailed and educational.
Thanks Steve. I have 2 Wens one at home and one in my little retirement shop. I have made a number of projects successfully although I recognize the shortcomings. So far I have worked around them. I appreciate you suggestions. And observations. They will help. I have used many of you patters from your website. Thanks a bunch!
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I am highly impressed with your review! So informative and helpful. I am new to the scroll saw world, but so excited! Your review helped me a lot. Thanks so much! ***And I also very much appreciate you showing both perspectives (the Wen's and yours)! Liked and Subscribed!
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Could you tilt the table to get that painless blade in.