Way of WingChun (mini-documentary) (HD)
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- A short documentary on the history of WingChun, which developed out of shifting notions about "traditional wing chun" into the practical self defense system as demonstrated and explained herein by the Grandmaster, Sifu Klaus Brand, himself. Special thank you to the instructors and students of the International Academy of WingChun - U.S. ("IAW-US") for allowing me to disrupt their classes and seminars to film.
Shot on the GH2 with the Panasonic Leica 25mm f1.4
Instructors shown include:
Sifu Klaus Brand
Sifu Paul Wang
Sihing Carl Hettiger
Sihing Chris Bobek
Sihing Tom Richards
For all inquiries relating to WingChun and IAW, which offers instruction all over the world, please email:
hq@iaw-us.com or visit www.WingChunUS.com
He’s explaining himself quite clearly his reasons for why he changed and modified his former EWTO Wing Tsun training and it doesn’t need questioning. If you like Wing Tsun, Wing Chun, Ving Tsun, then continue doing what you feel is right. His version is called Wingchun.
Really enjoyed this mini documentary. I would definately enjoy hearing more.
This is bad wing chun :) If you use power against the power.Who have more power wins :)
3.Power
2.Technics
1.Speed
Power vs Power wins more stronger
Power vs Technics wins Technics
Technics vs speed wins speed.
Speed and technics is the key ! to have speed ant good techics you have to be relax ant soft :) Sorry for bad english
that's what he's saying...
You are wrong.
It shows you don't understand fighting.
In a fight, power, strength in resisting is necessary because deflecting a strike sometimes needs an amount of strength.
Pak saoing a heavy and strong arm, needs power in a real fight with intent.
And it's never power against power, it's power with speed and technique against power.
Didn't you see power, technique and speed in his demonstration?
Klaus Brand trained privately under Leung Ting for 2 years if I rememmber right. I praticed WT for a while at the UK HQ. This was after my original instructor brought in to the whole WT francise . Our Wing chun then became overly technical ,too soft and boring to learn, the culture was cult like.. One of the Head instuctors left with 30 or so students. eventually we became a Klaus Brand school. KB WC was like the old stuff again, much more simple, pratical,and fun to learn and my sparing skills improved instantly.
Bullshit
@@fkadutesfargaber7468 Say again
@@fkadutesfargaber7468 Taken you 5 years to come up with that ? lol
Great job. Greatings from Sihing Thorsten Germany
Nice. Looks quick, strong, and powerful while maintaining clean-looking technique.
Really enjoyed this mini-documentary =) I´m not sure, if this would be my way of Wing Chun. But I think I have to learn more then one way, to find my own. I want to practise Wing Chun for a long time now. But I´m living in a city for 5 years now with only one Whing Chun academy. And they want more then 100€ per month. I´m a student and I´m super sad that I can´t pay this much.
Well said
Hi. As the footage seen on this video seems to show a kind of WT wing Tsun it wonders me a lot that there are some scenes of Wong shun Leung's "science of infighting" because the system of Wong has in my opinion not a lot in common with the style shown in this video. Did you guys split from the Leung ting lineage as it usually happens after to many years spending time with this interpretation of the system ? Greetings
Greetings, unfortunately, I do not know the answer to your questions about the lineages as I was not particularly interested in that sort of thing while making this film. As the filmmaker, it was my decision to include clips from "science of infighting" and other non-IAW clips that I found on youtube after doing a generic search of "wing chun." After reviewing dozens of youtube videos, I chose the clips that represented the majority of what I observed. I actually do not know much about Wong shun leung and have no particular knowledge about his system. The only purpose of including his clips was to provide visual examples of what Klaus Brand means when he talks about how wing chun changed over time and what was done in the 1980s or early 1990s, as he discussed. Just from Klaus Brand's words alone, it was really difficult for me to understand what changes he made with his own system, until I saw what the other systems looked like. So that is why I put those clips in there. Keep in mind that I made the documentary, not for the sake of argument between the various schools or systems over what is right/wrong, but rather for the sake of art/film/education. Because I found Klaus Brand's ideas on self defense an interesting subject and the movement and philosophy of IAW good for a short documentary, I thought others might think so too :)
thank you. nice movie by the way ! greetings
Habitat Hamburg hey there. I can partially answer your question from my knowledge of Leung Ting lineages. Sifu Klaus Brand indeed left Leung Ting organization(s). He either trained directly with Leung Ting or with EWTO (European organization led by LT's highest rank student, GM Keith Kernspecht) instructors, considering his background. I have trained with modern EWTO, as well as with couple of EWTO descendants who left the organization back in the 80's, and have to admit that what sifu Brand does is radically different from what they do. Modern EWTO, for example, propagates very soft and flexible style of WT with inclusion of boxing and BJJ features. Thus, Brand's style is only loosely based on Leung Ting's Wing Tsun. Is it a good or a bad thing - a different story, and I have not trained with his students, so I don't know about that :)
According to my Sifu that’s a red flag already, if there is no linage and no qualifications that tells you something. I’m not saying that the man is not skills as he knows what he is doing but to claim that relaxation started on the 80’s is just ignorant, hasn’t he ever hear of Leung Jan, Leung Bik, Chan Wah Shun, Yip Man, Leung Sheung, Wong Shun Leung, Lo Man Kam, among many others. I’m pretty sure that all these great masters where relax as feather and strong like a bull, that is the concept of water. Relax does not mean your weak, if you’re relax, you can punch fast, hard, and precise, ill’ tell you what my Sifu told me when I started Wing Chun “this is not Karate realax”.
tell your Sifu to go to this guy and see how his Wing chun works against this karate IoI.
He was talking about in reality, when the adrenaline is flowing you will not be relaxed. It's our nature to tense up under extreme stress such as a real fight. Did Mike Tyson ever look relaxed to you?
Something "we" don't understand, from a Sifu from the Ted Wong and Jesse Glover lineage:
We train at a 100 percent power, at all times training, so when we actually fight, it is thoughtless, it is memory. Actually, the highest goal: When we train, we are fighting, so when we HAVE to fight, we are simply training.
Bruce Lee's first and last students.
how does this work against a stronger opponent ? it seems to be only about overpowering your enemy.
If size mattered, the elephant would be the king of the jungle.
TheGhostTrollek dejvu They are and that's why there are weight categories in MMA, Boxing, and Kickboxing, etc.
temenos58 He's talking self-defense, not sport. Last I checked, they don't have weigh-ins on the street.
my Sigung (my sifu's sifu) was an african boxer to begin with, but he got beaten by a wing chun user and decided to learn that instead. He was ha huge man and adapted his wing chun so that he could use his strengt to overpower the opponent. However we recently changed style to a style that feels less forced and more natural and its also supposed to be alot better against stronger opponent. i like this style better cuz even tho i myself is a pretty big guy, im far from being the worlds strongest man. Even tho the new style is supposed to be better, the other style was probalby the right style for my Sigung. i think the best thing is to find a style that fits you. this style of wing chun might be effective, but if it dont feel right, or dont fit your physique you should probably try another style of wing chun.
Rob S and TheGhostTrollek dejvu size does matter, so does speed, strength, technique and strategy. It is not the only determining factor but to say it doesn't matter is naive.
Favorite ever1
Beautiful
'no one knows what traditional is' i like it
Why we dont see any fight the th mma fighters
Klaus Brand teaches a very hard style of martial arts, I would be very hard pressed to call it Wing Chun. Even he admits in a You Tube video entitled: "Statement by Grandmaster Klaus Brand: "Vision or Illusion" that he is highly critical of traditional Wing Chun and the Sifu's and masters and admits his style is all based on muscling an opponent rather than to use structure. My senior student went into one of his schools and completely dominated Brand's students and was just about asked to leave. My student was not disrespectful and simply wanted to see what it was all about. The reason why he was able to dominate is because they all failed to protect the centerline, which is central to Wing Chun. I am highly suspicious of anyone that passes themselves off as a self-styled grandmaster, none of the teachers I know did that and my own master never passed himself off as a master even though we lovingly referred to him as grandfather.
I have to agree with you. This reminds me more of karate and Kempo. They don't use their center-line and I see energy broken or bound up in his shoulders. Wing Chun power comes from a seated shoulder and relaxation. If we do so properly we are much faster and hit much harder. Chu Shong Tin demonstrates this [see Nima King or Mark Spence] quite well.
To be stiff as he shows actually reduces power and speed. He seems more focused on the elbow than the wrist. There are things of value to be gleaned, but I would not call it Wing Chun.
@@davidwilliams4837 John Kaufman also has videos on relaxation. Nima King has an online course, for what you get, its not expensive. Just keep doing Sil Lim Tao relaxed and it will come.
@@jerryavalos9610
True. Thank you.
Wing Chun with blocks?
Wing chun is about overcome strength, by softness. Because u can't overpower a stronger guy. This looks more like hung gar kung fu.
Absolutely no ,he is using transformation of weapon of wing tsun ,there is still softness there after clashing with arms etc ,you cant see ,but we exprinced people of that art can see it clearly
Traditional ways of WingChun have make Wing Chun system great, if you don't understand, then go find out or find a master who can show you, but not coming out a theory of your own and said traditional WingChun don't work. Those who had make WingChun famous had learned it the traditional ways.
paparoti11 First, he argues the "soft" and "relaxed" tradition is not the real tradition, that it was a deviance in the 80s. Second, who frigging cares about tradition? Every person is built differently, has different philosophies, and different mannerisms. If you can defend yourself, who cares how you do it? If you can deliver that strike and make it work, who cares what stupid tradition or art you follow? All that matters is someone is injured and it ain't you. If you can take violent, random, chaotic, and real energy from a man twice your size in a random street encounter with soft and relaxed Wing Chun, that's great. I can't do that, and obviously Sifu Klaus does not believe he can either, so he changes things to fit himself.
No most wing chun doesn't work very well! Unless it's fighting against more wing chun. This man is just saying that the relaxed, soft approach to combat is unrealistic, and it's not even the "traditional" way. I trained under WSL lineage for many years and they are not floppy and lose or overly relaxed. They aren't stiff or ridged, but a happy medium between the two. The problems that wing chun faces in today's day and age is, the concepts and principles have been misunderstood by so many masters. Like protecting you're groin for example! So much emphasis has gone into protecting the groin that it's ruined the mobility of wing chun.
The best way to protect yourself is to be mobile! You can't hide all you're vital organs behind you're guard! After all, we don't advise students to look away from their opponent, just incase they get an eye strike.
I thinks it's important to have people pushing the boundaries of what we think we know. That's how we evolve!! Peace
Jack Taylor Let me correct you on that my friend, as a Wing Chun practitioner
from a fighting school, street fights, tournaments or whatever, Wing Chun works
very well other martial artist, street fighters, etc, the only real counter to
Wing Chun is Wing Chun, then it becomes a battle of skills. I’m surprise with your
answers as you trained under WSL linage; they are known for being aggressive,
direct and relax. And if I can recall most of WSL schools are certified
fighting schools.
I'm sorry my man! If the only counter for wing chun was wing chun then why are so many people (experienced people) losing so badly!! The wsl lineage does emphasize "good quality" fighting, regardless of who you are against. The problem is, wsl makes up less than 5 percent of wing chun!! So il say again, most wing chun is inadequate against other arts. If you read what I say, you'll see that I didn't say they don't use relaxation, but they also keep it realistic! You're not going to fight off a 6ft 6in man in a dark alley with a relaxation alone. Thanks for the reply fella
Jack Taylor In my opinion most of the videos I’ve seen so far in RUclips
are from beginners, to intermediate level at the most trying to match against
people of greater skills. Just because they finish the first form it doesn’t
mean they know how to fight. It takes lots and lots of repletion in drills, to
develop your timing and accuracy of technique, and on top of that you actually
have to spar many times a week as close as possible to a real fight, without
hurting your fellow Kung Fu brothers, also do some chi Sao to develop your
sensitivity and combos and cardio to develop your endurance. By doing that, we
will be more prepare in a real fight, tournament, or a friendly duel. Finally
in a real fight we must be prepare to take a hit and not panic, we all take
hits and the way we react to it will depend on the outcome of the fight, we
must embed this into our brains.
And of course not good Kung Fu also teaches us not to get
into bad situations like that and to be more aware or our surroundings; personally
I would not fight a man that big unless my life depended on it. I know what you
what you mean about relaxation but remember relaxation does not mean weakness
of the body it simply means relax shoulders, a relax body structure overall,
when you throw a punch it’s going to be relax, but you are going to throw it to
hurt someone, that means with strength and speed. Well good luck in your training and I hope this makes sense to you.
way af wing chun with Sifu Klaus IAW ist the best wt ith World
Way of WingChun
Yes very correct
agree
I like many previous posters have to disagree with this fake "grandmaster". WingChun as it is thought by what he claims "traditionalists" teaches to redirect force so you don't have to absorb it with your body while defending. That is the whole point of having a flexible structure and why you can take on opponents much more powerful than you. That is why traditional WingChun IS PRACTICAL. Fake Sifu Klaus's "style" seems to do the exact opposite as the video shows, all the blows are absorbed by the forearms while defending and the structure seemed way too rigid. Why call it WingChun if you cant follow the traditional teachings which make WingChun....well WingChun??!!! You can call it something else like Bruce Lee has done. He called his "version" of WingChun - Jeet Kune Do.
Traditional wc is CRAP. Every trained person knows this. It's useless here:
please: ruclips.net/video/TpMWnHtws3w/видео.html
or this ruclips.net/video/eyzzDkYJojA/видео.html
All else is child's play and fake money making scammers like leung ting and william cheung and bozteppe.
Talking in a nice way, but practically he hasn't understood how the power in traditional Wing Chun works..
He understood it, and disagrees with it. He's practical, not just theoretical.
@@outofthebox7 No, he's practically wrong also.. According to the teachings of the inner Martial Arts as in Taiji or BaGua, there is a distinction between "outer force", which is using only muscular force. That is called "Li", whereas "inner force" is using structural and fascial force which is called "Jin" or "Ging". That reference to the "inner force" in Wing Chun ist found in the Kuen Kuit, that Sample of Wing Chun-Sayings, which Ip Man got from his Teacher (these are also translated in english already, so they are still known).
The Point is: He doesn't know that and builds up his concept only on "outer force", which is limited by the strength of the muscles.. For him it might Work, but when getting older he won't be able to go on. Also small women won't be able to use it, because of having not that strength.
So Mr. Brand should study the principles! 🤔
@@wingchunmann What "according to"?? Don't you get it? He knows all that, he doesn't care, he'd doing his own thing.
@@outofthebox7 Didn't you get it? Yeah, doing his own wrong thing... Inventing a squared wheel and hopes to get going . 🙏🏻👍🏻
@@wingchunmann Whatever ...
Just 1 👊🏻 maximum 2👊🏻 ....done ✅ Like that way of WingChun🔥
Might as well just learn Silat or Sanda lmao
Слишком груб, и жостки для грандмастер. Я как не будь покажу уревен это когда я обтикаю противника но он тирает централню линию и центр тяжести. О! Это будет прикрасное деманстация
Wieder einer, der mit dem 4.tg aus der EWTO geworfen wurde nun Grossmeister sein will.
I think these guys have to go back to the first lesson, when the way is free, attack...mah.....
One two one two, that ain’t WC ...
A lot of chasing hands
Awesome! Check out my documentary too!
Adrian The Second Bruce Li just did! yours was great! I loved the honesty!
:D
This self proclaimed grandmaster guy
Well, what do you mean? All grandmasters that have their own styles MUST BE self proclaimed masters of their new art. It can't be any other way. But don't lose focus on titles and levels, the question is, is it trained properly, effectively, os it mostly training for feeling good and demonstrations?
Methodology is the key, not techniques.
@@outofthebox7 grandmaster is a title bestowed by others, not assumed.
Ladies and gentlemen may i present the new yip man
klaus brand is embarassing
I have just googled this guy. He is a self proclaimed Grandmaster. This is too funny. What did He train under Leung Ting for a week? Mr Klaus - you should be ashamed of yourself - you are no grandmaster. You are not even a master. From your movement, I will say you are 3rd student level at the max. This man is very funny.
Refreshing I would say.
It can look combative, but is it really if it's not tested against an aggressive attacker or even in a ring with fitting to the art rules?
Mister Brand, you have to prove that your art works great or fairly against competent fighters, it is the only way your way will survive. You are the only one that supposedly knows your art to the highest level. You have to put it to the test for the world to see, to many tests. It's a risk, it's an obligation to your self, your students, your art.
We are tired of frauds that make money and fame based on our ignorance and precious time... They should be paying us. Can you make the difference?
Why do you have to bang your arms? I have used my WC in a real fight in the pass and my chain punches with elbow strike, end the fight real fast.
Have you ever heard of 5 star blocks? Very good for conditioning the arms. When we crash and your arms are not conditioned, your going to feel why it is good to condition.
it shows a lot of movements of chum kiu and butterfly swords
Gute Einstellung 👍🏾
Wait, why is this guy a Grandmaster? What's his qualifications, and who did he learn under? Or did he just automatically proclaim himself a grandmaster after he started this organisation?
fwh That is exactly what makes you a grand master. Who says the supposed grand masters you might refer to are grand masters? The definition of a master is someone who has students that are masters themselves. When you are the head of an organization of masters, that makes you a grand master. Who cares what people call him or what he calls himself? Its not about the belt, the title, the "tradition," or the style, but what you can do. This man has made a great Wing Chun with violent energy that is practical for real self-defense use.
Fong Song, relaxing or simply letting go of tension in the body is a fundamental principle of wing chun. It aint wing chun if you can't generate force or overcome force with out being in that state. Relaxing does not mean go limp or floppy it's training yourself to let go of tension even when pressure is being applied to you. Expanding the body the limbs by opening the joints(dan hoi) becoming springy to repel force as well drawing your opponent in. Good structure, Straight spine, and utilizing your body mass, never muscle or tension EVER.
Best NR.1
Wing chun completely misunderstood.
immer schön ausholen bei den Schlägen...:D
Eine runde Kämpfen würde sofort weiterhelfen.
What a beautiful video. Gives me hopes of continuing practicing
Just like a tree your stance should be heavily rooted into the ground, the trunk is your body (yang hard) your elbows are the branches (yang hard) your forearms and hands are the leaves (yin soft) that adjust to wherever the wind blows you have to train internally bone heel,knee,hip NOT externally muscle balls of feet calf muscle, thighs muscles to get to a higher level. To feel the floor you need to first relax and stay relax think dead weight on your heels and focus on the center of your body and your opponent's then you will be calm oh and don't forget to breath chi gung inhale you almost feel like your rising exhale you're definitely sinking when hitting kick,punch, throw chop etc.
Alan Dh lol I'm no master I consider myself a student forever learning. What's your email? I can send you information that can be quite useful in developing internal force thru proper alignment then you can try it for yourself. And you're in Cali seek out Hawkins Cheung or Gary lam
I can say this about the video and about Wing Chun as well. This form of Wing Chun clearly is meant as an interpretation of combative Kung Fu. As happens a lot within the WT community change happens due in part by location, environment, and individuality. I study in the full traditional lineage of Yip Man and Moy Yat. The concepts that are original to authentic WT are a main staple of my learning. Also remember that each generation of practitioner develops his/her Kung Fu. I can identify with this method shown simply because my initial introduction to martial arts began with TKD then later Boxing. It can be said that the power generated by the best boxers isn't because of their build so much as technique. So it must be understood that although we begin in a traditional sense it is possible to develop outside of that over time because of the need to adapt. JKD was developed in that way. The one inch punch used by Bruce Lee didn't rely on his build. It was his technique and understanding the dynamics of the punch that made it so powerful. So to me this form of Kung Fu is a good adaptation from the roots of Wing Chun.
I agree with you, except that you should also note that authentic wing tsun is also open to interpretation. unfortunately no school can practice the same style as the original style, just because each grand master adds slight changes, even if they aren't able to see them at first.
karatekid, after much consideration you and I are in agreement to your statement. In my years of studying other arts I've done that very same thing! It's just the hope that the art doesn't turn too far away from the original form and become unrecognizable. That's what I want for this art.
+Ken Pimentel I can tell you I have a direct link to my grand master in Okinawa and I know for a fact that the style as it is now is not the same style he learned at my age.
Nice karate! lool This is not wing Chun at all. Check Boztepe (Wt) or Didier beddar (Wc), but do not follow this guy..
you have no plan.....karate^^
Thank you for posting. This is helpful.
Karate wing Chun ???
How is this man a grandmaster of wing Tsun - He is wearing the wing tsun uniform but He is too rigid. At this level He should be soft and formless - almost like the wind.
I can see the forms and sections but they lack fluidity. I should not judge but without flow - I don’t know how it can be wing Tsun. I’m struggling but then again maybe I’m in the limitation of my own understanding.
It is a fair point that a lot of WC schools are TOO soft and have no power, I'll give him that. He's gone too far in terms of being hard though. You need elements of both, the Yin and Yang and all that.
Wing Chun is an interesting art.
Ive only been in 6 lessons and I enjoy every moment of it.
The science behind it and the energy flow from the opponent to me being transferred through my legs to the ground is an awesome feeling.
Today I have chi saod with 2 beautiful ladies.
What more could I ask for ? =)
Interesting but I've never seen wing chun like this. That's not chi soa by any stretch .
this goes against the whole nature of wing chun. It was created by a woman. Do you think a woman can be strong and hard against a bigger stronger opponent? We train soft because it isnt easy to be relaxed especially in a fight. When youre in a fight your motor skills and coordination deplete but the power is increased....so it is important to train soft and and maintain good habits...there are other exercises in the system to develop more power. NOT strength BUT POWER. strength can only be created when there is resistance. which in this video you demonstrate. I think it would be wise to go back to the drawing board and re-evaluate your idea of wing chun. Im not saying you can not be proficient the way you are training..you can master anything using anyway....a person with no martial arts experience can be really good at fighting you dont need kung fu for fighting. its just a means to help yo use your body not just in fighting but everyday life. Just let it marinate
Nicely said, every style of Wing Chun is different, it's evolved over the many years. This is just his style
it goes against the whole nature of wing chun
+diz deck what is the nature of wing chun? ? ?
+Alan Dh Wing Chun is meant to be relaxed and cal not tense
Calm*
What's the name of the Song playing in the backround??
Hahaha ja in a real fight you are not relaxed hahahah say it to Ali
I sure do! Would you like to touch hands,train spar etc.?
Isnt wing chun completely useless in a real fight?
Fake Wc
Hahahahhahaha
Really cool style. I would love to try.
Does he have an online course?
Makes me think of Southern Mantis
This guy looks quite good
Yes yes yes
Where are you located?
😂
leung ting lineage
Ethan Raven not at all.
I'm in Miami
And let me clarify so you won't think I'm some troll that doesn't know what he's about what I look for in these W/C videos is Body structure bone alignment, rooting and how you deliver the punch not techniques style is nothing you can fight however you want but can you control your opponent? Especially if he's bigger and stronger than you? If he's stronger than you being hard all they way like SKB suggest will get you in trouble.
Wow this man is breaking all the rules of wing tsun - introducing too much strength and resistance. Resistance is another martial art - not wing tsun. How can the wind be rigid? How can a river be strong? If the wind meets an obstacle,it must flow around it and be on its way. A river that is fast can destroy many things yet it always seeks the path of least resistance. In my opinion - just after watching this video for 5 minutes, I think this man should not be wearing a yellow uniform. How can this man be a grandmaster of wing tsun - Leung Ting system. I must research him.
The resistance is an attack against the attacking limb using conditioned arms, it will redirect if it needs to change angle of response. I used to train under this system to 1st Technician. By training this hard, your arms don't feel a thing after a couple of years. He is from WT lineage. There is some YT footage of him when he was a Sifu in WT system.
Hey you, HELOOOO!!
We are NOT wind, nor farts, to train like wind and farts. We are people that have to adapt to real fighting physics.
He probably calls it wing chun since it uses same moves, maybe some same concepts, but at the end, he doesn't call it wing chun, but international wing chun, which is ANOTHER martial art expression, not the same as supposed traditional wing chun.
@@outofthebox7 It is difficult to have a discussion with a man that is without knowledge or understanding.
@@outofthebox7 Yes at a very low level wing chun can be seen as movements or techniques. But at a high level - wing chun is ideas and art - and like any other form of art - it has to be understood - both in terms of its advantages / disadvantages.
Wing Chun is an entirely soft artform especially in defense. What this man is practicing here is not wing chun.
Can wing chun be adapted? Yes - However adapting something is totally different from removing / breaking its underlying principles. Adapting Christianity does not mean you can now go steal and kill.
In wing chun the base is rigid and the top is flexible - like a tree moving in the wind. What this man is doing here is having an OK base and a strong - inflexible top. If you see - I am not talking about his actions at all - as I do not really care about the actual actions / techniques - I am talking about the principles behind his actions.
In a fight with a legit wing chun master (not grand master) this man will only last a few minutes. HE IS WAY TOO RIGID.