I tried racing a $379 Amazon special (Cervelo Soloist vs Eurobike)
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I love how they make fun of the ketones and imply they don’t do anything every video yet the sponsorship hasn’t been yanked
Well, they do SOMETHING... leave a horrible taste for a while.
it’s been more proven for longer events, not as much crits
@@tyler5246 what works for crits ?
@@joesguitarshop8194 120g carbs per hour
they do no such thing, theyre suckers for the ad money! live on slaves live on!
That euro bike geometry shaped like Mitch’s spine 😂 (sorry Mitch)
Mitch is in the frightened cat position. Cat's aren't aero! (I apologize for my behavior, Mitch)
Poor guy is trying his best to get aero on a bike with a too-high stack and a too-short reach 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I only ask this as as question. I understand the used market, being a better choice. What would it take to make a good rider out of it?
Upgrade the euro, better tires, rims, shifters and gearing , were would the bike be??? Many years ago I rode a “Sears Freespirit” many thousands of miles. It’s only real flaw was weight, and I still miss the center pull brakes!!! I’ve ridden a Cannondale R1000, and now on my third Trek Madone.
Racing is a light weight sport, can that heavy weight be shaved off the frame. Realistically to have a good rider, Or is it already a good rider? To the none racing class.
There is a fair risk that after you have upgraded practically everything, the bike is still unpleasantly heavy and that the frame breaks in the near future. Ergo: buy something else.
Eurobike is an absolute stunner. Glad I bought 6 of them to future proof my racing career! It's hard coming last every time but someone's got to do it!
Joke's on you, I can come in last on a $10,000 Pinarello.
Ineos, I'll take my 30 year contract now thanks!
You must have the upgraded Eurobike DFL.
How many times did you ride at 260 watts ? Did you use and out and back course to minimize wind differences?
At that price point, your $7000 “over the top” Cervélo is the new entry level road bike of today 😂
Bit of an exaggeration eh?
@@djseitz425 A bit of an exaggeration, but $7K puts you in the mid range for pro quality race bikes, definitely not the top. Some top end framesets are selling for $5-6K these days.
@@Dr.Schlitz you can buy a bike with 105 and aluminum wheels for 2500 and have 99.5% of the performance that you would on a 7k bike. I promise it’s not the bike that would be holding you back.
My bike, which is my first and only road bike, cost me $1800. It’s a no-name Chinese Brand, SAVA. I have dropped many people who have $9000 bikes. It’s more about the engine (person) than the bike , once you pay more than $1,000 for one.
only 7000 in the US? Damm, I should import that bikes to europe
It appears Norcal and GCN have both left out a critical test at which the Eurobike would excel, and which is an established genre on RUclips; riding the bike off a dock into a lake (with or without a jump ramp). The Cervelo could not be ridden off the dock in good conscience, while I would predict full send on the Eurobike.
well said
Sinks 11% faster too!
Genius!!
I remember Hank did exactly that.
For this to be fair, you should have put a kickstand on the Cervelo.
😂
I have a special place in my heart for euro bikes it was was my first road bike and made me fall in love with cycling so for that I’m grateful
All that matters
tbf my first road bike was also in the 400eur range, and I have only good memories with it, so rly anyone who thinks "I cant begin unless I got at least 2k" is just wrong and the people who propose these thoughts are too
I've studied and worked hard and today am fortunate enough to have four Cervelos in my garage, plus a Pinarello and a Bianchi. Videos like this are funny, sure (everyone's done them), but they leave a sour taste in my mouth because there are a lot of people who'd like to get into cycling but can't afford to, and that totally sucks.
I’m just getting into cycling (on a budget). Quick question: why have 4?
@@profedelasmontanas9023 One's a gravel bike, one's my current road bike, one's an older road bike my wife now uses, and one's hanging on the wall beside the Pinarello and Bianchi (which were my race bikes in the 90s). There are lots of great used bikes out there if you're on a budget. And remember to save money for pedals, shoes a helmet and cycling clothes.
Since we're on the topic - used Cannondale CAAD bikes are all a great buy.
I got a mint 2012 CAAD10 Compact in 2021 during the bike shortage for $1200 CAD, I've put ~5000km on it and it's an absolute dream.
Got one!
Not gonna lie Jeff’s fit on the euro bike is pretty clean
looks category eurobike wins 😂
@@NorCalCycling 😮mmmm, no. I’ll take the Cervelo any day. The other bike looks like it belongs at a carnival, or in a parade.
If you had just removed the kickstand, you would have gained a pound and some aero. Need to re-run the test 😆
Never take yourself too seriously. Fun video guys.
cry yourself to sleep for 7000$ for 11% speed
I got into cycling around 2017. bought a Motobecane Supermirage. steel 38 lb. "What's your bike made of?" "French plumbing pipe" Carbon Fibre was everywhere and my bike was the joke of the peleton. I named it Chief Iron Horse -- Fast as a locomotive and just as heavy.Climbing was hard but the rest was pure joy. Got more than my money's worth - $300.00 Rode about 2500 miles per year. Never won a race but could keep up with the advanced peleton on club rides. Good times.
Bike like this is an inspiration to me. Don't you feel motivated to ride harder? Btw I just got myself a Scott hybrid bike,new to biking and I rode hard when the ideal road conditions are available.
Remember the old IROC auto races? Drivers from different series in the same spec car. We need a CRIT with everyone on these.
Entertaining video - probably best at showing a real world application of the law of diminishing returns. The Cervelo is obviously a superior machine but most recreational/fitness riders are not considering the Cervelo as a value option - the juice isn’t worth the squeeze for them. As you said, whatever gets “…butts on bikes…” is good.
I demand a rematch, $6000 in upgrades on the eurobike frame. Is it the diamond in the rough no one was looking for??
lol, that frame is built like a tank though
Crazy thing is that if eurobike keeps up the pace with its quality, their 1000$ bike would smoke that cervelo and other expensive bikes with its price to performance ratio.
You should do this again but with the same tires on the bikes! Wonder how much faster the euro bike would be with fast tires
It would be interesting to get the cheapest generic tires you can find on the Cervelo, and then the best road tires on the cheap bike. The 35 lbs is kinda hard to overcome, though. That’s just too much.
@@lylewalker5681 tires matter much much more than the base weightr
Should have installed a very agressive long and negative Stem in the Eurobike.
Or do the opposite on teh Cervelo, if you can sit like that on the Cervelo that would have been a good test.
This way Aero Position will trump a non aero postion on almost every bike.
I have seen some Trekking Bike riders on street who sit lower that the avg Road Bike Cyclist and have way better Aero position.
So fun to see y’all laughing and having a good time. Great video 😊
Ultimate bike race: Racers line up at the entrance of Wal-Mart. At the blow of a whistle, they run in and grab a bike off the rack. Their mechanic has 15 minutes to make adjustments, air up the tires, etc. Then they race!
I actually saw someone riding that exact same Amazon bike yesterday while on my ride. The drivetrain was so loud I heard it across the street going the opposite way.. 😅
Great video !!
Was wondering if you could do a video on what is the minimal bike , wheels and tires you need to compete in the cat 1/2 field ?
great suggestion!
A complete bike, right out of the box, straight off the showroom floor: maybe a CAAD13 with mechanical 105?
@@tuna_buoy yes ! A bike and wheel set that is “good enough” to be competitive in the cat 1-2. “Good enough”
That editing and music at 4:50-5:10 👌
with a chain ring of 42T-34T-24T and 15kgs weight... the Eurobike is of no competition against a 50T-34T chainring and about 8kgs of the Cervelo Soloist
but its will be good as a commuter bike...and after changing/upgrading some of the parts... there will be some performance increase....
Yea used market is perfect, I agree with you, you can get, a great bike for fraction of what was paid for!
Coming in a bit late to comment, but footage with 80s type eurobeat music made my day. More of this please! ❤
I love you you've kept the kickstand on the EuroBike.... Ready for racing....
LMAO. that gap between the front wheel and the down tube is AMAZING 😂😂😂
mitch is fun lmao how he hyped that EURObike
As an SJBC rider I personally invite you to come to the WNC. The race is every Wednesday until the last Wednesday in august and racing starts at 6:45pm. Registration ends at 6:30pm so I would recommend getting there around 6. The registration will be in the parking lot outside of LKQ auto parts dismantler. I hope to see you out there!
HAHA I love this Video!! Can we have the velo king guy on more often, he was hillarious.
shoutout MITCH
thier secret love for the 3spoke came thru loud and clear!!❤❤
I'm fascinated with the 3 spoke. I think I'll get a EUROBIKE anyhow.
@@jacobclayton2954 thats an ok bike, but its heavy, spend more for the aluminum frame eurobike OR just buy used , $300 - $400 buys good stuff on offer up
Try a Trek Alpha 1.5 or higher. The weight difference is minimal, and the handling is great. I actually liked it better than the Madone.
Love my Soloist! Thanks for reinforcing my purchase. Great video too!
as someone who loves to climb in my 35lbs 30yr old trek i felt your pain on that hill, luckily im ok with just putting it in my 1:0.75 ratio sometimes
When you’re wearing 2x the cost of your bike on your head, you know you big ballin.
Very few people who watch your channel will actually buy the "EuroBike". How about selling the EuroBike to someone, then actually do a deep dive into the 2nd hand market and give yourself a tight budget. Lets use 1250$ or maybe 1000$ and buy a bike, and then see how you perform. I know it is a lot of money, but the amount of money you can make with the content should be spectacular. Especially if you upgrade that bike "Down the line" with some "speed upgrades".
Including power meters
"Racing Wheels"
Groupset upgrades
Tires (Conti vs Vittoria vs xxx)
Tubes (Latex vs Normal vs Tubeless)
etc etc etc
I was really hoping that Jeff rode the eurobike in a crit 😆
not sure I trust that thing in the corners
Just got a couple months ago my first roadie, a 135€ Pure Cycles, still with protective film on it, equipped with steel frame, Claris groupset (11-32 on the rear, 34-50 on the front) and bunch of clearance for up to 32mm tires, even with rim brakes.
It doesn't feel particularly good to be honest, couldn't find a compromise between good shifting in highest and lowest gears and not-dropping chains (may be a slightly bent derailleur hanger), brakes didn't inspire much confidence at the beginning, but I hope to put some km on it and enjoy some longer rides.
BUT even after all these crytics, I would rather ride this 11.5kg "beast" over the eurobike
my bike looks exactly like it but mine came with a lightweight aluminum frame, great bike.
You should also control for speed -like do a set course at a steady 30 km/h - and compare power inputs.
cervelo lovers would hate that that video, were talking about a few (single digets) percentages
I'd like to see the Eurobike return for another test with lighter wheels and bigger front chainring.
thanks for doing these test videos! i really enjoy your content from an entertainment perspective while being informative.
Honestly this video is way better than GCN😂
Loving the original content. No where else can one find anything like this comparison. 🍻
except the GCN videos done on this eurobike...at least you look better on it Jeff! those tri-spokes 🔥
@@mstrasser oops
@@ronm9357 no worries all good! they did a bunch of climbing videos too which are worth a laugh
I have a Eurobike X5. The mountain/road bike configuration and it’s great for getting around.
Love that you left the kickstand on the Eurobike. That's why you got dropped, not the gearing or steel frame🤪
My God man! At least remove that hideous kick stand from the Eurobike. Great video though. Great laughs.
Where and when can we get our hands on those slick looking NorCal jerseys? Also, the 80's era soundtrack is brilliant. Excellent choice.
We're working on it! this is one of the 'work in progress' designs
I wonder how much of the difference are the tires.
When I upgraded my tires and tubes to GP5000 and latex, from whatever stock tire my budget 2013 Specialized Allez came with, I easily saved 30-40w around 20mph. The difference was huge.
Retest with matching tires!
Those bikes are made in China. I may be wrong but that same facility seems to make a ton of different brands and they sell them in Amazon. I bought one some years back. Mine was branded “Lamborghini”… yes you read that correctly “Lamborghini”. It was not that bad. I put roughly 2k miles on the bike. I only changed the tires after 1k miles or so and breaks. Yes, it was heavy. But it did what I needed and it saved me a ton of money.
Hilarious. Love the guest spots from the Velo Kings
Good for training thou! My first bike of my semi-adult 44yo life was a heavy as hell fixie with metal trispokes, made me an animal, got a 88rimd spoked 8KG fixie now and I carve
Look at those spokes I mean blades spinning ?! 😍🤣 That 80's music.. makes it looks sicker ..
It’s got a kick stand!!
Next video...the Cervelo $$$$$$$ bike versus any Chinese $$ brand like Winspace, Yoeleo, Elves with 105 electronic groupset and Chinese wheelset like Ican, hyper wheels or Elite. 🤔
Ahh. The Eurobike, was seriously considering it as my very first road bike. I'm kinda sad that i didn't.
That's a great starter bike, great value, and the steel is exactly what is best for a new cyclist. If you sold them the other bike they would complain that "it's too bumpy" "I feel everything" "uncomfortable to ride" "I would give it zero stars if I could". Gotta start somewhere, when you get in great shape you can start looking at a real bike.
So scientific!! Love it. Nice vid. Love the stem shifters. I had those in 1986 on my Huffy 10 Speed. ;)
Halfway in, and the editing and music choice is so good in the vid. Great job!
EJ comin' in hot with the edit 🤘
Guys if you’re looking to compete this bike is not it.
But if you’re looking to train and get in shape by all means this bike will do the job.
I would love to see the same race with the soloist vs. eurobike but with some upgrades done to it. Like better tires, a better groupset like a used 105 or smth like that, frame and wheels stay the same tho. That would be a banger of video
Naa, you cant save the eurobike!! But honestly i wonder after this video and gcn videos, how many people actually went out and bought it as a joke.
the frame is so TRASH, no way saving this pile of shit :D
the eurobike weighs 35lbs or 16kg so you would need antigravity upgrades to make it usable
Literally a bike fit would have made this video a real test
Better groupset is probably not even necessary per-se.
A tourney crankset with 48-50 teeth, and some cheap chinese road shifters which might total like $70-100 total and you won't be running out of gears that easy.
These bikes are crap for experienced riders, but can be good for those starting out, as it leaves them budget to change things as they see fit. Most people starting out don't need high gear ratios yet, and have no clue what they like or don't like. So as long as the frame and wheels are ok, having plenty of money left and a cheap bike to experiment on can be a huge advantage as well. Not to mention that maintenance is cheap on this kinda stuff.
07:00 to 08:00 to keep up with cervelo for a minute was impressive!
Personally, the aluminum frame, carbon fork of the 2000's and 2010's are the best value for speed right now
Jeff uploads. I'm a happy man.
Strip the Euro bike down to the frame and rebuild with something like retro shimano 105 then see how it performs.
The Euro bike is made of black pipe, has a shallow head tube angle, a very short stem for you and a kick stand. You didn't remove the kickstand? I raced on steel but it was just a bit over 17 lbs.
Do this but with the Ozark Trail gravel bike that’s viral rn.
Picked up a barely used specialized allez expert 2008 aluminum with carbon everything full ultegra with mavic kyserium wheels plus spare set for $300 nzd
Rides like a dream. There is no way you can justify the extra 12k I spent on my cervelo r5 di2 dura ace
I only use the r5 on weekends now
R
thanks for the info, but also two good arguments to never start group riding
Imagine getting smoked by a pro on a euro bike as you pedal your heart out on some di2 equipped fiber masterpiece.
It's all about branding- names.
Just like the iPhone - only takes a few cents to make but they upcharge hundreds of dollars.
If you're not into racing and just tryna get a decent workout/commute just buy a few hundred dollar frame and buy some decent parts. Boom fully functional and reliable bike.
I think for fair comparison the stand should have been romoved and fitted to the Cervelo.
Love the kickstand
Good to see Mr 'Blue Steel' back again 😁
Train a couple times a week on the Eurobike and watch your FTP and VO2max increase.
Should I feel bad that I couldn't push 250 watts for the length of that course? I am old but still....😞
I’m sorry, THIRTY SEVEN pounds? Are the tubes not hollow??? 💀
100% no BS thanks with good advice.
They probably only sell those Amazon bikes to RUclipsrs because I've seen the same thing on so many channels now it's beginning to feel like Déjà vu.
Informative video! Love it
Didn't know Owen Wilson rode bikes...
Thanks for sharing, fun video.
Does anyone know the brand of gloves that Mitch(the blue kit guy) was wearing?
A true racer can race anything. Didn’t even look like you tried to make it fit.
Great video! glasses on point!!!!
Jeff,
How are you going to let your boy keep that kickstand on?! Haha it completes the look!
Alviso on the eurobike when?
Idk if I ever can take Pouly shore seriously..
But interesting video. Those Amazon bikes are like the first thing to pop up online...
"i got rekt faster than i wanted to" lol. 9:01
How about you slap a mechanical 105 or anything that you won't spin out on (something cheap though, to stay inline with the cheapness of the Eurobike), and try it again!
I would like to see you trying racing a vintage bike with upgraded tires in a criterium or a race
I would love to get you all on my steel bikes I’ve build where I think you’d be impressed with their performance!
Wouldn't for every day training the Eurobike be the best bike to use because it's weights more ? Wouldn't it make you a stronger rider ? Just save the lighter bike for races only . Couldn't you just put the same gearing on the bike ?
I love that BMW in the back
500$US you could buy a Shimano 105 road bike from Polygon.
What??? Where?
My thoughts exactly! Where???
I don't know anything about form, but Mitch and Jeff look so different on their side profiles, and it's not just leg thickness. Mitch's anime style back bend in particular looks super uncomfortable ... is it just because they have different geometry, or is someone wrong?
11% time difference over a 15min course for the same power? That's huge. Yeah - if you ride a bike 6+ hours per week ALL YEAR LONG = Worth it.
ya 11% is big but it's a 1800% price difference
@@NorCalCycling I get the point. Diminishing returns, etc, etc. Yes, it works but that 11% is 33 minutes over a 5 hour ride. 66 minutes over 10 hours (see where I'm going?) .. and that's maybe one week of training ... And YOLO! ... and people need to get over fear of spending money on bikes. They are healthy! If people spend more on a bike, they usually ride the bike more (or sell it on ebay to someone who will.) Priceless.
Wonder what the delta would have been if they slapped a pair of Conti 5000's on the Eurobike.
Cornering is fine, the problem is that the brakes takes are probably the squeaky grondy type that feels like an expired hard pencil eraser