Great job, let’s hope they also find the other black box and are able to extract the necessary info from them to pinpoint the exact cause(s) and provide closure to the bereaved families.
@@Kiyoone The Apollo Guidance Computer used for the first moon landing only had RAM of 4KB and 32KB hard disk. the smartphone that you carry around in your pocket is millions of times more powerful.
The data shown here the 20500 feet altitude drop in only 1 minute 22 seconds is NOT in the range of emergency descent (as necessary in case of cabin depressurization) it's way way more than that. It was a totally catastrophic drop. The aircraft has absolutely exceeded its critical Mach number by the time the crew succeeded with that desperate correction to pull out of the dive temporarily at 8600 feet, far exceeded limiting G forces in doing so most likely led to structural breakup then made the final plunge. Such G forces by the way almost certainly over 10G it wouldn't be humanly possible to remain conscious either so everybody on board would have been blacked out before impact.
Yea, exactly what I've thought, though I did not do the G-force calculation. At least, if your calculation was correct, the passengers blacked out before, you know, losing their lives, which I assume would've been better than experiencing the end all conscious.
Hope they find the other box soon too.... Someone mentioned the possibility of a hijacking, and I think that's very possible considering how strange this crash is.
Hijacking makes no sense, because they would have contacted ground if it’s hijacked. And even if the hijacker is able to break into cockpit, why would he crash the plane? Hijackers usually hijack to some places. It could be a suicide, definitely not Hijacking
@@happyliferay Not necessarily. Hijacking happens for many different reasons. Take the twin towers of NY, for example; both planes were flown into the buildings intentionally, for the sake of killing.
I feel so sorry for all the lost lives and their loved ones 😔🙏🏻💔 I've flown with this airline before and so I hope they figure out the reason for this soon. For someone who already is scared of flying, this seems like a nightmare.
@Arabic Reja Why are you angry at me for that? I have nothing to do with the Chinese government. I just love China as a country as a foreigner who has been to China twice for traveling. I'm not Chinese, but even if I was, I know that the people of a country does not equal it's government. You need to learn how to separate people from politics.
I'm glad they found the cockpit voice recorder. It should confirm atleast 50% of what happened on board. If they find the Flight Data Recorder, that should help solve it all.
It baffles me, that in 21 centoury, we still can't transmit flight data in realtime to a server and we have to rely on black boxes not getting damaged, and also finding them in the first place.
@@ba-tobartc.6230 probably secrecy if you put it in server any hacking attempt can steal it. so it will be usual there is black website that will sell that information for scandal. but if in the form of black box only when the plane crash the data will be retrieved so it was cheaper rather than 100% uptime control for all 35.000 plane in the world everyday
There are several theories on why the crash happened, for now let's wait for the records to come out. Those black boxes will be the truth- bringers for all to see. RIP to the victims, and hopefully their families&friends are showered with love and understanding from people around them.
@Arabic Reja soo why bother investigating and finding black boxes. Lol. Just because they’re Chinese doesn’t mean they don’t want to figure out what went wrong.
@Arabic Reja Sad to hear this... Truth is what you said suits any governments in the world, and of course you can attribute "Safety" to "Coverup" in any circumstances if that is what you want. At this moment, I do think they are acting quite positively.
Another instance when it would be better to have constant transmissions of the flight data to a ground recorder. This could then be erased after the end of the completed flight. With all the surveillance going on these days, having detailed surveillance of airline flights is not too much to ask and would make these investigations more productive at preventing more tragedy....
@@firedup692 Not a problem, all information are transmission thru satellite. As you can see altitude and position already transmitted to flight trackers. It not hard to transmit other data as well.
Yeah totally agreed, nowadays, we can see many top celebrities who love to do onboard streaming when they were traveling to somewhere, many people already know that there is a satellite internet onboard. I believe Information technology experts and aviation experts can design this kind of real-time database securely and better than the old fashioned Blackboxes.
@@gregcollins3404 yes, I am aware of satellites, but there are limitations that restrict the usage of satellites on a continuous basis as per your proposal, and only ground based traffic controllers can provide that kind of continuous monitoring.
I've seen when an airplane is losing altitude there's a recording that warns the pilot to pull up. Seems like the mechanism failed to pull up or no pilots in charge. Very fishy. My deepest heartfelt condolences to the families.
Deepest condolences, i really hope they can find out the cause thru both black box and recorder...RIP to all aboard the flight Its very similar to the error in the previous boeing, it kept making the plane tilt downwards even more when the pilot is manually trying to make it get a higher altitude.
The whole point of the black box being orange in color is to help the rescuers to find and locate it among the landscape where it crash. The whole point is to make it stand out so it can be found.
@@user-zc2hz3yj2k The term "black box" was a World War II British phrase, originating with the development of radio, radar, and electronic navigational aids in British and Allied combat aircraft. These often-secret electronic devices were literally encased in non-reflective black boxes or housings. The earliest identified reference to "black boxes" occurs in a May 1945 Flight article, "Radar for Airlines", describing the application of wartime RAF radar and navigational aids to civilian aircraft: "The stowage of the 'black boxes' and, even more important, the detrimental effect on performance of external aerials, still remain as a radio and radar problem."[23] (The term "black box" is used with a different meaning in science and engineering, for a system described by its inputs and outputs, with no information about its working.) Magnetic tape and wire voice recorders had been tested on RAF and USAAF bombers by 1943 thus adding to the assemblage of fielded and experimental electronic devices employed on Allied aircraft. As early as 1944 aviation writers envisioned use of these recording devices on commercial aircraft to aid incident investigations.[24] When modern flight recorders were proposed to the British Aeronautical Research Council in 1958, the term "black box" was in colloquial use by experts.[25] By 1967 when flight recorders were mandated by leading aviation countries, the expression had found its way into general use: "These so-called 'black boxes' are, in fact, of fluorescent flame-orange in colour."[26] The formal names of the devices are flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder. The recorders must be housed in boxes that are bright orange in color to make them more visually conspicuous in the debris after an accident.[27]
Don’t get your hope up. Just because they found the black box but the black box could suffer damage from the crash. Who knows if the data is not corrupted or it was too badly damaged that they could put any data of it.
Just because the black box is found doesn’t mean the families will get closure because the impact of the crash might have damage to the black box. The conditions of the black box will determine if they can find what is the cause of the crash.
There are 2 black boxes on a plane . One records the flight data and the other records conversations in the cockpit . They are not sure which one they found yet .
they could have encountered the same mechanical failure as Alaskan Airline 261 in 2000. which the plane had a mechanical failure at its tail, causing the plane into a nose dive at very high speed.
@@seanbardot2822 Key word pilot with s in parentheses. One could have been forcing the others into it. Keyword here is could. Meaning just a theory since we have no evidence to base anything off yet. The reason why I think this could be intentional, by pilots, highjacking or any other factor is it’s unlikely a system malfunction caused this. Even full loss of elevator authority would not cause this flight path. A few years back a king air flight lost full control of its elevator and eventually dove into the ocean. When comparing the decent rates between the two flights we see this is far more drastic. Like I said in my initial comment “it is genuinely hard to make a 737 go from 29k feet to ground level that fast” Again reiterating that we know no information about this yet and thus this is purely speculation. PS: a 737-800 and most large jets these days only fly with 2 pilots, not 3.
@@fairy7491 Could be, but pictures is voice recorders used by Chinese 737s show a rectangular box shape. Pictures of data recorders used on this type of aircraft shoe the exact same cylindrical shape and size. Why would you think it is a voice recorder?
@@joephysics5469 > I worked Certification for L-3 FDR and CVR at an aircraft manufacturer level. Without looking at the label they look almost identical. The only real difference was the CVR had a backup battery to continue recording for 10 minutes after power is lost. There is no reason they cannot look exactlyt he same. They both record and need to pass FAA destruction requirements. No sense making it harder than it is.
Prayers to the families of the passengers and crew. Are the passengers allowed to use their smartphones during the flight when traveling within 🇨🇳? If so, have they checked any of the social media platforms to see if were any posts from the passengers about the flights?
@@rachelcookie321 You can use airplane mode to avoid roaming charges when travelling. You won't be able to send or receive text messages or phone calls, or use data services, but you could connect to a Wi-Fi network to check your email or browse the internet.
@@CryMeARiver63 airplane mode is supposed to turn off wifi and that’s what it does for my phone. I am concerned if your phone does not. I’m not just saying this because that’s what mine does but it is actually supposed to turn off wifi.
Now they can find out some cause of accident, but it's confirmed that 3 pilots were inside the aircraft with a stable condition, so there's no way to suspect intentional crash could be done or any kind of suicide tendency, as plane dives down almost in a vertical way.
@@CryMeARiver63 Theres a difference between suicide, and homicide... What about the other 2 pilots? Dont tell me theyre also onboard with the "suicide" too?
It's a hold over name. The original recorders and the like were literally in black boxes. By the time they were required on all commercial aircraft the name was in common use and so it stayed. It's like why problems with electronic equipment are called "bugs". When an early piece was being demonstrated it failed due to an insect inside shorting the circuit. So the repair report said that there "was a bug in the system" and the name stuck. English is a funny language like that.
I can't help but to think why the pilots weren't able to pull up the plane. Either the controls are jammed, or during the first vertical plunge, the pilots could've been knocked out.
My heartiest sympathy and sorrow go to the victims’ families.. I am horrified to hear this tragic accident which undoubtedly open many perceptions. Rest assured with the retrieved ‘Orange’ box - Boeing will work with China Eastern to find the root cause of the nosedive plunge of the aircraft. Whether this has any bearing to 737-800 Max fault/incident is everyone guess for now..
I don’t get why in 2022 were still using outdated blackboxes. Why don’t planes transmit all this data in real time to the cloud and store it there for immediate investigations and only use the blackbox as a backup.
@@Anonymous-uz4ub How could it be prone to cyber attack when it's just transmitting and not receiving any data? Plane are already transmitting their altitude and location to flight trackers. Not hard to transmit other data as well.
Guys, they pinpointed the exact location of MH370. Apparently the pilot was politically involved and had held the passengers hostage. the Malaysian government also knew about it and thus they initially gave everyone the wrong location to South China Sea on purpose until the main satellite picked up OTHER DIRECTION; so they had to gradually give in to that fact. There was also a holding pattern(circling) for 22 MINUTES in Malaysian airspace; possibly for negotiation before deciding to fly straight south and crashing. i really hope they can find an answer to this as well as this path is really out of the ordinary
@Dark Clouds not sure if it’s 100 % truth but I think they talked about it in one of Australia’ news channels. It calls 60 minutes or something like that. You can Search on youtube
With the fast wireless communication technology these days, why don't aircraft manufacturers fit devices to constantly stream all the data that CVR's and FDR's store to some data collection point on the ground?
So if the flight. Climbed briefly, that rules out an inflight breakup.. the flight wings in whole and everything else obliterated is a funny mystery given these observations
@@yerri5567 The term "black box" was a World War II British phrase, originating with the development of radio, radar, and electronic navigational aids in British and Allied combat aircraft. These often-secret electronic devices were literally encased in non-reflective black boxes or housings, hence the name "black box".
Because of cost. There's no incentive to do so. It would require lots of satellite data traffic, maintenance, etc. Airplane crashes are very rare and when they do crash, most of the time black boxes are found.
We know dashcam is necessary in a car. But..is it possible to apply cctv/camera thing in a plane? So it'll record every single moment inside & outside the plane. Then we don't need to wait for the buried or missing or drowning blackbox to solve the problem. Don't know exactly. Wish the dashcam thing to happen.
there is no way a cctv video data will survive a plane crash. only blackbox which contain a "data" can survive the impact. that is why there is a months long investigation to recall everything in blackbox. smh
Still not possible. There are cameras but that is just for cockpit videos like Justplanes, etc. Plus, it will be destroyed in like these crashes. Not only these crashes but every accidents.
Might have been a decompression event for the plane to drop 7000km in altitude within minutes. It will knock anyone out due to the change in atmospheric pressure, including the flight crew.
Yes! Not only was there a massive deployment of search and rescue teams. China grounded all flights from the same plane model right after the incident occurred just in case. They didn't want it to be another story of the Boeing max plane that kept nose diving into the ground
@Arabic Reja They did find it in a couple of hours though, at the mountainside, in the dark, and did you see the 'black box' its the size of a can of beans, its small, I say even if 6k people (which I doubt) were to find it in a week it'll still be impressive. Do you think the rescue team teleported to the crash site?
Isn’t it amazing they can find the black box and other parts so quickly yet when flight 93 crashes in Pennsylvania on 911 there was absolutely nothing left?
They are the last lot I would trust, they'd likely cover it up as they did with the other Boeing crashes. Anything to trash and blame the pilot while saving Boeings reputation.
@@cap7156 737 Max, USA busily blamed pilot error for every crash that happened claiming they were incompetent, badly trained, incapable of flying safely, countries must have had dodgy maintenance, until it came out that Boeing KNEW there was a problem, KNEW extra training was needed, KNEW about all this and STILL kept quiet and blamed the innocent pilots, destroying THEIR reputations just to keep their own reputation. And worse, they were aided and abetted by the US federal aviation lot because Boeing are a seppo company. If it had been Airbus they would have been jumping up and down screaming loudly about cover-ups and corruption. But because it was Boeing and seppo land it barely made a fuss. If it turned out to be something similar - and allegedly there have been 4 crashes in the last 2 years with this plane which, if true, doesn't inspire confidence - then Boeing would be the first to initiate a cover-up again while blaming anything or anyone else except themselves.
@@MayYourGodGoWithYou bro cmon now maintanance are done by the airline itself. Every aviation person knows that the 737 is the most basic and best aircraft. What youre refering about boeing problem is the max 8, yes it has problems which they denied it at first but they has confess that the model has a problem. Stuff like this happen because of the plane is very unlikely, common factors that might happen is probably because of the pilot or hijacked. If u dont believe me u can ask a aviation expert.
Does China's crash investigation agency have the technical expertise to open and salvage the data on that recorder? If not, they will have to send it to another country, perhaps France, to have that work done.
I was flying last 20 March 2022 and I had a really bad feeling that we were going to crash head on. We landed safely but I learned on 22 March 2022 that a plane crashed in China.
RIP all victims 😓 I'm curious, why it happened? Hijack, suicide by pilot, sabotage or ... something similar to what happened to mh370...a mystery we'll never find out??!! 😳😬
RIP, I think airlines should change the planes to only four engines plane. Much safer than normal plane with two engines. / Although they(experts) say both are safe, but that's just for the business to go on.
It’s an idiotic idea because putting four engine on a plane with weight it down even more especially when you have to passengers, luggage and cargo. Having four engine would mean more fuel are going to be needed. More fuel means the cost of more fuel is going be pass down to the customers.
Questions,why are the people looking through the plane crash in complete cover's, some with gas masks, what really happened to the plane crash,or supposed plane crash. Some things don't add up how did the guy who filmed the plane crash,be right there when and where the plane crashed, how did they know if was going to happen. Something strange is happening between Ukraine and Russia and China and India and Poland. What's really going on, over there, please let the world know if there's, something, UFOs UFOs ufoish going on,we the USA, don't want to be the last country to know.
![BLACK BAG - Official Trailer [HD] - Only in Theaters March 14](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Du0Xp8WX_7I/mqdefault.jpg)
Great job, let’s hope they also find the other black box and are able to extract the necessary info from them to pinpoint the exact cause(s) and provide closure to the bereaved families.
that thing is smaller than a cookie jar. Impressive how tech made it that small nowadays
They also found some human remains.
@@Kiyoone The Apollo Guidance Computer used for the first moon landing only had RAM of 4KB and 32KB hard disk. the smartphone that you carry around in your pocket is millions of times more powerful.
@Arabic Reja the US regime lies too, so does the Putin Regime. maybe we should start using our own brains and stop listening to our governments.
@@mitzikolo how is that relevant
The data shown here the 20500 feet altitude drop in only 1 minute 22 seconds is NOT in the range of emergency descent (as necessary in case of cabin depressurization) it's way way more than that. It was a totally catastrophic drop. The aircraft has absolutely exceeded its critical Mach number by the time the crew succeeded with that desperate correction to pull out of the dive temporarily at 8600 feet, far exceeded limiting G forces in doing so most likely led to structural breakup then made the final plunge. Such G forces by the way almost certainly over 10G it wouldn't be humanly possible to remain conscious either so everybody on board would have been blacked out before impact.
There is no excess g force in a free fall
Yea, exactly what I've thought, though I did not do the G-force calculation. At least, if your calculation was correct, the passengers blacked out before, you know, losing their lives, which I assume would've been better than experiencing the end all conscious.
@@thatguy4234 there sure was at the temporary recovery near 8000 feet...
Still beyond horrendous to experience sudden hopeless helpless cruel death…RIP
Hope they find the other box soon too.... Someone mentioned the possibility of a hijacking, and I think that's very possible considering how strange this crash is.
Some are also wondering about suicide .
Hijacking makes no sense, because they would have contacted ground if it’s hijacked. And even if the hijacker is able to break into cockpit, why would he crash the plane? Hijackers usually hijack to some places. It could be a suicide, definitely not Hijacking
@@CryMeARiver63 I doubt that since apparently records of the flight showed that it made a small recovery to 7k feet after the initial fall, but maybe
Could also be an EMP
@@happyliferay Not necessarily. Hijacking happens for many different reasons. Take the twin towers of NY, for example; both planes were flown into the buildings intentionally, for the sake of killing.
May their souls rest in peace...
🙏
I feel so sorry for all the lost lives and their loved ones 😔🙏🏻💔 I've flown with this airline before and so I hope they figure out the reason for this soon. For someone who already is scared of flying, this seems like a nightmare.
@Arabic Reja Why are you angry at me for that? I have nothing to do with the Chinese government. I just love China as a country as a foreigner who has been to China twice for traveling. I'm not Chinese, but even if I was, I know that the people of a country does not equal it's government. You need to learn how to separate people from politics.
@Arabic Reja why are you talking about the ccp? The person was just sending condolences to the lost lives.
I'm glad they found the cockpit voice recorder. It should confirm atleast 50% of what happened on board. If they find the Flight Data Recorder, that should help solve it all.
@Arabic Reja clown
Deepest condolences from Vietnam to all the victims family and friends !!!
It baffles me, that in 21 centoury, we still can't transmit flight data in realtime to a server and we have to rely on black boxes not getting damaged, and also finding them in the first place.
my cellphone can do that..
It's almost as if there were thousands of flights in a week and a need for a highly maintained database system needed for such an idea.....
if tiktok could manage millions of worthless dancing datas.. why can't they? right?
@@ba-tobartc.6230 probably secrecy if you put it in server any hacking attempt can steal it. so it will be usual there is black website that will sell that information for scandal. but if in the form of black box only when the plane crash the data will be retrieved so it was cheaper rather than 100% uptime control for all 35.000 plane in the world everyday
@@raifikarj6698 ay man u gotta think look at tiktok the perfect example
Deepest condolences from Indonesia to all the victims family,,,
@Arabic Reja if they found that who hijacking the plane,you are doomed.
There are several theories on why the crash happened, for now let's wait for the records to come out. Those black boxes will be the truth- bringers for all to see.
RIP to the victims, and hopefully their families&friends are showered with love and understanding from people around them.
@Arabic Reja soo why bother investigating and finding black boxes. Lol. Just because they’re Chinese doesn’t mean they don’t want to figure out what went wrong.
@Arabic Reja Get lost bot!
The voice recording is going to be eerie since the plane nosedive
AAAAAGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
@@David_Camerwrongun 😐
It's going to give the worst nightmare to anyone listening
@Arabic Reja 你让我感觉到人类的无耻下限就是没有底线。
@Arabic Reja bla bla bla i guess yo mama doesnt love you
Amazing job, now when they obtain the FDR as well, it might show how the 737 fatally dived after a peaceful flight.
They are not sure which one this actually is yet .
@Arabic Reja China is one of a few countries with an incredible safety record, unlikely to cover it up.
@Arabic Reja Sad to hear this... Truth is what you said suits any governments in the world, and of course you can attribute "Safety" to "Coverup" in any circumstances if that is what you want.
At this moment, I do think they are acting quite positively.
That looks like the flight data recorder. Hopefully, they will find the cockpit voice recorder as well.
Another instance when it would be better to have constant transmissions of the flight data to a ground recorder. This could then be erased after the end of the completed flight. With all the surveillance going on these days, having detailed surveillance of airline flights is not too much to ask and would make these investigations more productive at preventing more tragedy....
What if a plane flies over the ocean or mountains ?
@@firedup692 Not a problem, all information are transmission thru satellite. As you can see altitude and position already transmitted to flight trackers. It not hard to transmit other data as well.
Yeah totally agreed, nowadays, we can see many top celebrities who love to do onboard streaming when they were traveling to somewhere, many people already know that there is a satellite internet onboard. I believe Information technology experts and aviation experts can design this kind of real-time database securely and better than the old fashioned Blackboxes.
@@firedup692 There are these things called satellites that allow worldwide communications...
@@gregcollins3404 yes, I am aware of satellites, but there are limitations that restrict the usage of satellites on a continuous basis as per your proposal, and only ground based traffic controllers can provide that kind of continuous monitoring.
This crash doesn't make sense in so many ways, let's hope we can finally have some answers for this devastating loss.
I've seen when an airplane is losing altitude there's a recording that warns the pilot to pull up. Seems like the mechanism failed to pull up or no pilots in charge. Very fishy. My deepest heartfelt condolences to the families.
Deepest condolences, i really hope they can find out the cause thru both black box and recorder...RIP to all aboard the flight
Its very similar to the error in the previous boeing, it kept making the plane tilt downwards even more when the pilot is manually trying to make it get a higher altitude.
It’s called a black box but is actually an orange cylinder. That’s pretty confusing.
Maybe they don't want to be copyright strike from Valve because valve own "The Orange Box".
The whole point of the black box being orange in color is to help the rescuers to find and locate it among the landscape where it crash. The whole point is to make it stand out so it can be found.
@@ayamasakya4196 why name it black box in the first place?
@@user-zc2hz3yj2k The first few industry-standard flight recorders were black.
@@user-zc2hz3yj2k The term "black box" was a World War II British phrase, originating with the development of radio, radar, and electronic navigational aids in British and Allied combat aircraft. These often-secret electronic devices were literally encased in non-reflective black boxes or housings. The earliest identified reference to "black boxes" occurs in a May 1945 Flight article, "Radar for Airlines", describing the application of wartime RAF radar and navigational aids to civilian aircraft: "The stowage of the 'black boxes' and, even more important, the detrimental effect on performance of external aerials, still remain as a radio and radar problem."[23] (The term "black box" is used with a different meaning in science and engineering, for a system described by its inputs and outputs, with no information about its working.)
Magnetic tape and wire voice recorders had been tested on RAF and USAAF bombers by 1943 thus adding to the assemblage of fielded and experimental electronic devices employed on Allied aircraft. As early as 1944 aviation writers envisioned use of these recording devices on commercial aircraft to aid incident investigations.[24] When modern flight recorders were proposed to the British Aeronautical Research Council in 1958, the term "black box" was in colloquial use by experts.[25]
By 1967 when flight recorders were mandated by leading aviation countries, the expression had found its way into general use: "These so-called 'black boxes' are, in fact, of fluorescent flame-orange in colour."[26] The formal names of the devices are flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder. The recorders must be housed in boxes that are bright orange in color to make them more visually conspicuous in the debris after an accident.[27]
This is such welcome news. Hopefully the families can have some questions answered with this black box
Don’t get your hope up. Just because they found the black box but the black box could suffer damage from the crash. Who knows if the data is not corrupted or it was too badly damaged that they could put any data of it.
This is a suicide or a fight that broke out during the flight for it to nose dive . This is not normal .
My condolences to the families. May their souls R.I.P.🙏🌍
Oh thank goodness they found the box now some
Closure for the families
Just because the black box is found doesn’t mean the families will get closure because the impact of the crash might have damage to the black box. The conditions of the black box will determine if they can find what is the cause of the crash.
There are 2 black boxes on a plane . One records the flight data and the other records conversations in the cockpit . They are not sure which one they found yet .
This is so surprising 😮😮😮😮😮😮
Wrong there is 2 black box one whit the cockpit and radio sound and one whith the flight data (airspeed pilot inpit, autopilot mode etc…)
1:11 when i see that climb around 7.4k feet,i started to think that this may not be a suicide
they could have encountered the same mechanical failure as Alaskan Airline 261 in 2000. which the plane had a mechanical failure at its tail, causing the plane into a nose dive at very high speed.
RIP...but this is very strange case as the plane dive then survive and again boom.
someone explain to me why we cant replace the Blackbox with real time Cloud server?
Thank you SCMP for sharing this update! LIKE!
This must be an act of suicide by the pilot(s) or a terrorists attack. Its genuinely hard to make a 737 go from 29k feet to ground level that fast…
It happened in the past.
Some causes of crash are far beyond imagination.
@@seanbardot2822 Key word pilot with s in parentheses. One could have been forcing the others into it. Keyword here is could. Meaning just a theory since we have no evidence to base anything off yet.
The reason why I think this could be intentional, by pilots, highjacking or any other factor is it’s unlikely a system malfunction caused this. Even full loss of elevator authority would not cause this flight path. A few years back a king air flight lost full control of its elevator and eventually dove into the ocean. When comparing the decent rates between the two flights we see this is far more drastic. Like I said in my initial comment “it is genuinely hard to make a 737 go from 29k feet to ground level that fast”
Again reiterating that we know no information about this yet and thus this is purely speculation.
PS: a 737-800 and most large jets these days only fly with 2 pilots, not 3.
@Arabic Reja flight was intact when hit grown. Debris field would be miles wide if not intact.
Hope all the victims will rest in peace
It appears to be the flight data recorder, not the voice recorder.
is a voice recorder
@@fairy7491 Could be, but pictures is voice recorders used by Chinese 737s show a rectangular box shape. Pictures of data recorders used on this type of aircraft shoe the exact same cylindrical shape and size. Why would you think it is a voice recorder?
Depending on the manufactureer, they both look identical
@@rcairflr A cylindrical canister of the same size. What are the odds.
@@joephysics5469 > I worked Certification for L-3 FDR and CVR at an aircraft manufacturer level. Without looking at the label they look almost identical. The only real difference was the CVR had a backup battery to continue recording for 10 minutes after power is lost. There is no reason they cannot look exactlyt he same. They both record and need to pass FAA destruction requirements. No sense making it harder than it is.
Prayers to the families of the passengers and crew. Are the passengers allowed to use their smartphones during the flight when traveling within 🇨🇳? If so, have they checked any of the social media platforms to see if were any posts from the passengers about the flights?
You can’t use phones while on most planes. You have to put them on airplane mode and while in airplane mode you can’t access the internet.
@@rachelcookie321 I could open my airplane mode and WiFi and yhe same time, yeet
It's a domestic flight so I think it might not have had on-board internet
@@rachelcookie321 You can use airplane mode to avoid roaming charges when travelling. You won't be able to send or receive text messages or phone calls, or use data services, but you could connect to a Wi-Fi network to check your email or browse the internet.
@@CryMeARiver63 airplane mode is supposed to turn off wifi and that’s what it does for my phone. I am concerned if your phone does not. I’m not just saying this because that’s what mine does but it is actually supposed to turn off wifi.
And the other thing is if pilot wants to commit suicide, then why did he commit suicide so late. U can see it was very near to the destination
Maybe that time one of 3 pilots went to toilet? He got the chance?
Now they can find out some cause of accident, but it's confirmed that 3 pilots were inside the aircraft with a stable condition, so there's no way to suspect intentional crash could be done or any kind of suicide tendency, as plane dives down almost in a vertical way.
Stable condition .... that doesn't mean anything . You do not need to have a mental health problem to commit suicide.
@@CryMeARiver63 Theres a difference between suicide, and homicide...
What about the other 2 pilots? Dont tell me theyre also onboard with the "suicide" too?
@@yerri5567yes that's what I am trying to say.
Terrible crash. Hugs to the families.
Deepest condolences to the families of the bereaved…may their poor souls Rest In Peace 🙏🏼
Who was it n board.. .
One simple and silly question: Why the black box you have found is not black? Why you call it as "Black box" not "Orange box"?
It's a hold over name. The original recorders and the like were literally in black boxes. By the time they were required on all commercial aircraft the name was in common use and so it stayed. It's like why problems with electronic equipment are called "bugs". When an early piece was being demonstrated it failed due to an insect inside shorting the circuit. So the repair report said that there "was a bug in the system" and the name stuck. English is a funny language like that.
@@JohnJ469 Thank you very much for your answer. It’s quite impressive!
Pray
I can't help but to think why the pilots weren't able to pull up the plane. Either the controls are jammed, or during the first vertical plunge, the pilots could've been knocked out.
Why is the Black Box orange?
So searchers can see it
My heartiest sympathy and sorrow go to the victims’ families.. I am horrified to hear this tragic accident which undoubtedly open many perceptions. Rest assured with the retrieved ‘Orange’ box - Boeing will work with China Eastern to find the root cause of the nosedive plunge of the aircraft. Whether this has any bearing to 737-800 Max fault/incident is everyone guess for now..
I don’t get why in 2022 were still using outdated blackboxes. Why don’t planes transmit all this data in real time to the cloud and store it there for immediate investigations and only use the blackbox as a backup.
I heard from someone that it might lead to cyberattack if you upload real time data from airplane
@@Anonymous-uz4ub mmm makes sense
@@Anonymous-uz4ub How could it be prone to cyber attack when it's just transmitting and not receiving any data? Plane are already transmitting their altitude and location to flight trackers. Not hard to transmit other data as well.
It could be tampered with and falsified at this date and time. Someday maybe.
Nothing on the cloud is secured. If you believe that your "encrypted" data on the cloud is private, then you really should get a 2nd opinion.
What does it feel like to die that kind of tragedy..... I'm scared.
U should try
how did even the 3 pilots survived? there are 132 passengers died.
Guys, they pinpointed the exact location of MH370. Apparently the pilot was politically involved and had held the passengers hostage. the Malaysian government also knew about it and thus they initially gave everyone the wrong location to South China Sea on purpose until the main satellite picked up OTHER DIRECTION; so they had to gradually give in to that fact. There was also a holding pattern(circling) for 22 MINUTES in Malaysian airspace; possibly for negotiation before deciding to fly straight south and crashing.
i really hope they can find an answer to this as well as this path is really out of the ordinary
@Dark Clouds source: trust me bro
@Dark Clouds not sure if it’s 100 % truth but I think they talked about it in one of Australia’ news channels. It calls 60 minutes or something like that. You can Search on youtube
@Dark Clouds Sky News Austrlia
With the fast wireless communication technology these days, why don't aircraft manufacturers fit devices to constantly stream all the data that CVR's and FDR's store to some data collection point on the ground?
I thought black box is black color. Hope this recorder can find out the reason of this crash
So if the flight. Climbed briefly, that rules out an inflight breakup.. the flight wings in whole and everything else obliterated is a funny mystery given these observations
Indeed very strange.The plane seemed to be flying downwards
@@seanbardot2822 yeah too intoxicated and hit the reverse gear
On the way down, the video shows a puff emanating from the engine(s). Was this an explotion?
Yes I saw it too when you slow down the actual footage it had smoke coming out before the crash but not sure where it started
China should use more of its home made aeroplanes instead of usa made 737 which have so many fatal accidents.....
should this be red/orange box?
Is anyone else also confused why the "black box" is not black?
It’s orange to be seen more easily
@@JayJayAviation Should just call it an "orange box" then...
@@yerri5567 The term "black box" was a World War II British phrase, originating with the development of radio, radar, and electronic navigational aids in British and Allied combat aircraft. These often-secret electronic devices were literally encased in non-reflective black boxes or housings, hence the name "black box".
Finally! After the crash, this is the moment, I have been waiting for
There are 2 black boxes . One records flight data and the other records conversations between pilots . They are not sure which one they found yet .
Who cares
I don't understand why, in 2022, the 'black box' isn't in the 'cloud'.
Because of cost. There's no incentive to do so. It would require lots of satellite data traffic, maintenance, etc. Airplane crashes are very rare and when they do crash, most of the time black boxes are found.
Lol that's not a black box that's an orange cylinder.
Rest in peace 😭😥
We know dashcam is necessary in a car.
But..is it possible to apply cctv/camera thing in a plane?
So it'll record every single moment inside & outside the plane.
Then we don't need to wait for the buried or missing or drowning blackbox to solve the problem.
Don't know exactly.
Wish the dashcam thing to happen.
Dash am isn’t necessary in a car, most cars don’t have them.
There's one major flaw with your idea and it's exactly why this hasn't already been done......
*A camera would be completely annihilated in a crash*
there is no way a cctv video data will survive a plane crash. only blackbox which contain a "data" can survive the impact. that is why there is a months long investigation to recall everything in blackbox. smh
Still not possible. There are cameras but that is just for cockpit videos like Justplanes, etc.
Plus, it will be destroyed in like these crashes. Not only these crashes but every accidents.
Wouldn't the footage from the dashcam/cctv/camera be recorded onto the Black Box...?
It’s amazing that they found wreckage and the black box so quickly yet when flight 93 crashed in Pennsylvania on 911 nothing was found that aircraft.
Flight 93 was a lot higher and hit the ground alot more harder so it’s pretty hard for anything to make it out of that crash site
I don't know how you got that incorrect information about flight 93 but both flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder were found.
China is fast. Like when they recently build a hospital in 10 days
දුකයි, අනතුර
Aviation services suffering lot with security measures, search the missing parts, etc,
The air traffic-control radar showed that the aircraft was in cruise
Might have been a decompression event for the plane to drop 7000km in altitude within minutes. It will knock anyone out due to the change in atmospheric pressure, including the flight crew.
Planes fly around 10km above the ground, not 7000km.
@@BSnicks yes. I made a mistake. 7000m
What can explain the brief ascend just before it crashed if everyone was knocked out? Just curious
@Arabic Reja proof? Oh you don't have any since your too brainwashed
I heard this from news That three Pilots get a flying hour 6800+/34000+/560+ . I'm wonder such experient pilot never send may day
It sure looks like a suicide but my pendulum tells me it was a mechanical failure
Amazing how the Chinese fit all those people in those 2 boxes.
China efficiency! A lot of people were dispatched to search it day and night despite of the downpouring rain and remote area
@Arabic Reja your keyboard is faster for sure
@@kgan4733 arabic reja is a low life that writes chinese/china hate comments all the time
Yes! Not only was there a massive deployment of search and rescue teams. China grounded all flights from the same plane model right after the incident occurred just in case. They didn't want it to be another story of the Boeing max plane that kept nose diving into the ground
@Arabic Reja They did find it in a couple of hours though, at the mountainside, in the dark, and did you see the 'black box' its the size of a can of beans, its small, I say even if 6k people (which I doubt) were to find it in a week it'll still be impressive. Do you think the rescue team teleported to the crash site?
Last words were: "amu fan sank u n u ?… Panpanpan"
Hope to found the cause of crash immediately.
Ever think maybe they were shot down? Wouldn't be the first time.
Where are the remains or bodies of the victims?
There must be none left. Judging how it nosedived and as well the fire
They mentioned that they found remains but I think very little
Thx Lord
Please investigate Boings in the USA!
Might be Rudder Servo malfunction or pilot suicide theory.
It wouldn't be the first time a plane filled with people destroyed to silence one person. I would passenger list, this will tell you why plane crash.
I read somewhere that there were 7 millionaires on the plane and one was CFO of a video making company.
im really sure theres something hijacked inside
Thats not a natural crash, something went down inside the plane.
Define “natural crash”
Could be deliverate act.....
挖出地面。 飞机可以被掩埋，把沙子挖出来。 用铲子。挖出地面。 Dig up the ground. airplane could be buried, dig up the sand. use a shovel.
No need to investigation. All investigation are stage just to show some sympathy.
He never said if the pilots were vaccinated.
Isn’t it amazing they can find the black box and other parts so quickly yet when flight 93 crashes in Pennsylvania on 911 there was absolutely nothing left?
Because the Chinese are actually working, not pretending
@@yolareg7927 LOL
@@yolareg7927 facts
Made in America, Boeing didn’t say anything?
Just Like The Other 2 Crashed That Boeing Had Previoualy This May Be The Caused By The Faulty MCAS System. Which Is Why The Plane Nosed Dive Down.
This was a Pre-Max plane 737-800. It DID NOT have an MCAS system.
@@alanmartin2753 Well Then.. I'm Very Curious To See Why This Crashed. Thanks For For The Information.
What does it matter, they’ll just tell us what they want us to hear and lie
american moment
you just described America
The US Boeing expert should be able to handle the black box
Always the manufacturer technicians are the only ones able to successfully recover the data. If the CCP don't let them...
They are the last lot I would trust, they'd likely cover it up as they did with the other Boeing crashes. Anything to trash and blame the pilot while saving Boeings reputation.
@@MayYourGodGoWithYou proof?
@@cap7156 737 Max, USA busily blamed pilot error for every crash that happened claiming they were incompetent, badly trained, incapable of flying safely, countries must have had dodgy maintenance, until it came out that Boeing KNEW there was a problem, KNEW extra training was needed, KNEW about all this and STILL kept quiet and blamed the innocent pilots, destroying THEIR reputations just to keep their own reputation. And worse, they were aided and abetted by the US federal aviation lot because Boeing are a seppo company. If it had been Airbus they would have been jumping up and down screaming loudly about cover-ups and corruption. But because it was Boeing and seppo land it barely made a fuss. If it turned out to be something similar - and allegedly there have been 4 crashes in the last 2 years with this plane which, if true, doesn't inspire confidence - then Boeing would be the first to initiate a cover-up again while blaming anything or anyone else except themselves.
@@MayYourGodGoWithYou bro cmon now maintanance are done by the airline itself. Every aviation person knows that the 737 is the most basic and best aircraft. What youre refering about boeing problem is the max 8, yes it has problems which they denied it at first but they has confess that the model has a problem. Stuff like this happen because of the plane is very unlikely, common factors that might happen is probably because of the pilot or hijacked. If u dont believe me u can ask a aviation expert.
Does China's crash investigation agency have the technical expertise to open and salvage
the data on that recorder? If not, they will have to send it to another country, perhaps France,
to have that work done.
Wont send it to france because it’s a boeing airplane, if they need to send out, it would be sending to the US
Black box great box
I was flying last 20 March 2022 and I had a really bad feeling that we were going to crash head on. We landed safely but I learned on 22 March 2022 that a plane crashed in China.
Could you provide more details? What happened that made you feel you were going to crash?
@@stc4797 I really don't know. I just felt like we were going to crash. It was just a feeling. I was so relieved when we landed.
@@stc4797 I really don't know. I just felt like we were going to crash. It was just a feeling. I was so relieved when we landed.
@@Layput stop drinking coffee really
@@coloneljp i don't drink coffee
RIP all victims 😓 I'm curious, why it happened? Hijack, suicide by pilot, sabotage or ... something similar to what happened to mh370...a mystery we'll never find out??!! 😳😬
We will know eventually
☮🙏
Dig up the ground. airplane could be buried, dig up the sand. use a shovel.挖出地面。 飞机可以被掩埋，把沙子挖出来。 用铲子。
They found a can of beans😂
I will only fly on Airbus. Boeing are just falling off the sky like every recent crash.
made in America is excellent product 👍✈👍✈👍✈👍✈👍✈👍✈👍✈
made in America is excellent product 👍✈👍✈👍✈👍✈👍✈👍✈👍✈
RIP, I think airlines should change the planes to only four engines plane. Much safer than normal plane with two engines.
/ Although they(experts) say both are safe, but that's just for the business to go on.
I heard 4 engines would end up spiking fuel consumption, leading to inefficiency. Not many planes still use 4 engines nowadays.
It’s an idiotic idea because putting four engine on a plane with weight it down even more especially when you have to passengers, luggage and cargo. Having four engine would mean more fuel are going to be needed. More fuel means the cost of more fuel is going be pass down to the customers.
@@ayamasakya4196 Indeed. That is why the A380 and 747 failed.
Engines have nothing to do with this accident , if engines failed plane would have glided and not dive straight down
What an idiotic comment
Questions,why are the people looking through the plane crash in complete cover's, some with gas masks, what really happened to the plane crash,or supposed plane crash.
Some things don't add up how did the guy who filmed the plane crash,be right there when and where the plane crashed, how did they know if was going to happen.
Something strange is happening between Ukraine and Russia and China and India and Poland.
What's really going on, over there, please let the world know if there's, something, UFOs UFOs ufoish going on,we the USA, don't want to be the last country to know.
It was a mining company's cctv not an individual that recorded it
It's pity airlines prefer black box more than checking ground reality..
Waste of space and time
Imagine they spent all this time looking for the flight recorder, and it ended up being a can of Fanta XD