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Countless times I’ve gone in to fix handyman and owner mistakes as well as “electricians”.
No replacement for experience and willingness to complete a job correctly.
I mean honestly I get that call4x a year, first thing I do is wiggle all breakers
5 min and out
prior to renos i held electricians with high regard ... 2 years and a lawsuit later, the vast majority are questionable at best.
I'm sure there are a lot of good electricians out there, but I've been called in a few times to clean up after some of the less-than-perfect electricians. Especially, they get lost and can't clean up a funky-acting circuit. Also, one of my landlords would get estimates from electricians upwards of a $1k, then call me and have the job done for a couple hundred. And I always checked code.
Don't judge all electrician's off of one. I'd recommend changing out that almost 30 year old panel. If I had a nickel for everytime had to fix another electricians work I'd have a lot of nickels.
With you on that. I am not a licensed electrician and have had to come back and replace and fix electricians work. It happens.
Yea I'm an apprentice electrician going on my second year. Fixing a past handyman's work now in Montana. But to be fair lot of time people don't have the money to cover all the parts to do it up to code.
That water heater room is a fire Hazzard.
If I had a nickel for everything I've jacked up, I'd be a billionaire
Yep Every trade has those guys that just can't troubleshoot the problems, and make it worse.
Shouldn't that be an outdoor rated box? At least a Nema-3R?
You know your stuff I’m not going to argue that , but as a licensed electrician I speak on behalf of my fellow tradesman we DONT think you “handymen” will win every time 😂. I couldn’t tell you how many calls I alone have gone on to repair or fix an issue that was caused by a handyman. I guess both sides have their bad apples.
I've started many service calls by asking the homeowner/renter where the maintenance guy/handyman left off
I have seen that on the field
I can't tell you as an architectural engineer how many times I've had to fix handyman/electrican/plumber created problems in both commercial and residential buildings! Lol ( Almost forgot, building officels/inspecters/code informers) For those aforementioned, it's about health, safety, welfare, balanced with cost, formally known as the cost benefit ratio to the occupants/property owners. ( Clarification, morgage holder being the owner, in most cases its not the occupants)
This guy is actually a licensed electrician. If you watch his channel enough you will know this
@@ryanlilles6958 that's the reason he has all this knowledge of electrical. You don't learn all this by just being a handyman. Right on!!
Flipping a switch: free. Knowing what switch to flip: priceless
The price is $175
id bet my life that the "electrician" wasnt really an electrician.
But some with licenses should not call themselves electricians either.
Lotta ppl can pull wire..
yup just another shitty handyman lmao
He was probably a handyman 😀
After trying to hold a steady job in every trade and failing miserably,Then and only then can you become a Handyman 🖕🖕
Any electrician should know that breakers are NEVER labelled correctly.
I've labeled all of my breakers correctly. But then again most people would diagnose me as somewhat crazy.
We print a whole label. Not all electricians are created equal. Thus some handymen feel superior lol
Reed Hedges ESPECIALLY if they owned a house. Bought the house from an electrician and Jesus Christ it’s so fucked electrical wise. That dude sucked ass.
When I bought my house my breakers were all labeled wrong about 2 hours later and they were then all wired correctly. I’m just a dumb hvac tech though 😂😂
@@saigyl9149 which is why you should always do a live dead live test on any circuit you work on. dont trust the labels. My dishwasher label on my panel was actually my washer until I switched it.
Funny tittle I just had an Apartment complex call me out to show a “handyman” how to replace breaker.
Easy work
@@gyver471 Which makes his point hit that much harder
As a home inspector I took a deep gasp when you opened the door to the heat/AC room. So many things wrong in that room especially the rack full of clothing next to the burner!
Just handyman things
😅 as an inspector you lost all credibility
No offense but
@@gilt2349 FR you know how many times I went in a crawl space to fix "AC wires not strapped" come to find out it's freaking coaxial cable company ran. home inspectors get a bad rap for a reason.
You mean as a charlatan who doesn't do any work?
Heat/ac room? Mechanical room or furnace room. Ac is outside
I'm judging the tenants of that house more than the electrician. Flammables in front of the central air unit in the utility room?!?!?
“That’s why there’s so much sh... junk in the house.” 😂
I’m saving this video, next time my wife tells me I have too many things.....here honey, watch this!
It"s not junk...it is someone else's " stuff , it's only junk when it goes to a dump (not recycle center). Even garbage is worth $$$ to the right people, just not you at this time.
One man's junk is another man's treasure.
A "handyman" installed two distant outlets at my mother's house and right away circuit breakers started tripping. They were wired to one breaker which was already overloaded. She told me about this later and he obviously didn't know what he was doing. I tore them out and replaced with properly wired circuits on new breakers. NEVER trust a "handyman" to do electrical.
Plot twist... The landlord was the first and second guy
As a Licensed Electrician I can say that experience, craftsmanship, and a good case of actually giving a damn make a lot of difference. I have made a lot of money and earned a lot of customers using those.
A good circuit seeker helps too.
Those tenants have an outright hatred of blank wall space!!
"As long as we live here there will be NO blank walls, we must hang something on every square inch"
That’s how I fixed holes in my house until my partner found out and made me patch them all
As a painter/drywaller I hate going in after those people to fix that crap. Half the time they use thumb tacks..........if you wanna piss a painter off hang everything with thumb tacks and ask him to fill all 3k holes since you have to rehang it when it falls down lol
Omg, I thought you were kidding until I saw it for myself. Goodness.
Just makes the whole house look cluttered
😂😂
Thanks a million for another great video. I am currently having an issue in my house in line with this video. I’m halfway through figuring it out. If I had the ability to use my brain full time on this issue I could have gotten to the bottom of it already, so I loot to the wisdom of the skilled to say something or deal with something that may spark something in my knowledge or that can at least lead me me closer to the solution. Thank you again for sharing invaluable information with us.
Please don’t judge us electricians because of one dummy
few dummies !!
think bout it u believe this guy questions
I agree this supposed licensed electrician was either young with little experience or a real dummy
Or the person just didn’t care. I’m an electrician and fix half assed stuff everyday. It’s embarrassing, but we don’t all roll like that
I'm fairly sure this handyman was exclusively an electrician once upon a time
First thing I did when I moved into my house was sketch out the layout of the house with all the lights, receptacles, and other miscellaneous electrical equipment shown on the drawing. Then I went through and identified the breaker for each item. I have that sketch posted by the breaker panel. Now if I need to replace a fixture or do other electrical work, I can easily tell from a quick look at the sketch which breaker to throw.
And your drug of choice is......?
Jk dude all in good fun
You’re paid for your knowledge and experience-even if it’s just flipping a switch.
You have a 3rd channel?
A doctor may just tell you to drink more water and wear socks when you complain about a headache. But they still assured you that nothing worse would be the problem or nothing else needed to be done. That is indeed exoertise and knowledge people pay for. Even if it isn't used to do anything major. That said good on him to not charge through the nose for just resetting a breaker. This is valuable customer and just social relationship.
If you're paying someone to flip a switch, what you're really paying for is your ignorance.
@@embracethesuck1041 laziness too.
I feel a bad when it takes me 5 seconds to find and flip the switch. But as long as the customer is happy, it makes me feel better.
I have fixed another electricians work a couple times. I have fixed a handymans NIGHTMARE a hundred times. No offense to this guy, he seems to know his stuff.
Heads up, there are breakers that are rated for two wires under the lug. Don't just assume that it's not allowed when you see it.
Only one I can think of: Square D/Schneider's QO line. Are there others?
@@steveloux4709Eaton CH breakers are for some of their lower amp breakers, I believe their BRs are only rated for one
@@calebprescott5133 ... generally speaking the rule is one screw, one wire. I have seen breakers with two screws so obviously there's that to consider.
Coming up through the trades I used to do quite a bit of handyman work after my regular work day and on weekends to make ends meet. Watching you going through these peoples houses and the clutter and trash reminds me why I am SO thankful I was able to stop doing side jobs once I became a full time electrician that only works on new commercial and industrial work.
I did make good money at the handyman gig though for that time in my life. 2 hour minimum at $75/hr from the moment I left my house including Home Depot runs and 20% mark up on total material cost.
Tons of work out there.
At 4:05, it is good practice to turn the wire nuts up, especially in an exterior box or device, to shed moisture and prevent it pooling in the connection.
@ Dave Underwood, you are 100% correct, wire nuts should always be turned open end down; my question is, why is there wire nut in a main panel?
As an electrician in the UK the most terrifying words someone can utter is “ I wired this myself “
Same in America
In America the most terrifying words are "The handyman was here."
@@KameraShy I agree or” the maintenance guy was here”
Home owner 101 when you cant find the breaker. Flip them all!!!
I have done a crapton of home remodeling over the years. I am not a tradesman (and have never worked in those honorable professions). I have a degree in electrical engineering, so I am certainly more capable than a novice. We are currently getting a lot of home remodeling done. New roof, replace all windows, 2 bathrooms gutted and replaced, new floor, new doors, and new trim throughout. I am hiring out almost all of it. Those guys are doing a far better job than I could, and they are doing it far faster than I ever could.
Brilliant work thanks for the content
This job is so much fun. All the problem solving and hunting down and fixing issues. Best job in the world.
I say that all the time. It’s not 175$ to turn a screw. It’s $175 to know which screw to turn. And iv seen that before the breaker trips but doesn’t look tripped. To locate a breaker in that situation I just gently push on the breakers but not hard enough to turn them off.
What ever, as long as it makes you feel better about cheating people. You can charge for travel, troubleshooting, etc. If you charge $175 to shake a breaker and flip the switch, you know you are no good.
Oh you could just meter it out to ground on the set screw and figure out which one is having the issue and not have to guess based on how the handle feels.
@@amb158 Yep, that is how I been doing it for 20 years. I do the touch test sometimes if my meter isn't on me.
Good to know 😎 I saw that the electrician left the wires hanging out. As you mentioned. Wow 😮. You are very amazing 😉
I'm glad this customer was one that appreciates honesty. I service lab equipment and have many good customers like that. I've had some that complained about paying for 4 hours when I fixed the equipment in 5 minutes because it was a simple adjustment that they could have done. They just don't get that that 4 hours of driving needs compensated for even if the fix is instant. I could do like other techs and hang out for 2 hours and charge for 6, then they'd probably be happy.
better that way tbh
Just want to say I really appreciate what you do here. You might already know what you’re doing for people but if you don’t well then I want to thank you on behalf of all of those who are watching with sincere intentions.
Thanks Eric, Its good to hear this. Sometimes I get to focused on the negative comments.
"Antique dealers... That's why there's so much sh..junk in the house" lol
"Smells interesting" LOL.
“ It also does that GFI “
Could the GFI have been the start of the run with everything else fed off the load side of the GFI? Is it possible that breaker didn’t trip but the GFI did?
Man I lost it when you said "Defensive Device"
Just found your channel, greatly appreciate your time and effort in making these videos 😊🇺🇸
Thanks for watching!
Very common for old breakers not to show tripped you can lightly push them toward the off position to find them sometimes
OMG "that's why there's so much shi..... junk in the house" lol to funny 🤣
I almost said it. Thanks for watching.
Anytime good luck with the new channel
It is so funny how I can relate to so much stuff you posted here
New Turkey video going up in a few minutes.
Just watching Trump ...handle these reporter trolls
@@TheHandyman1 What's the super secret channel?
I had a project once that took me about two days of intermittently working around my client trying to find a loose common on a circuit that seemed to power half the lights in the house. Finally found it on a bathroom switch. Man, it was not fun. But they treated me like a hero when I was done. Handy men are the heroes!
There are no “commons”’on a switch
@@electricaf365 I know what you're saying and you're probably technically right, but then you'd have to say there are no commons on outlets either. Something has to carry load back. A switch leg is just a loop with a manual disconnect aka the switch. But that in its basic form is every circuit... a loop for electromotive flow.
@@ezekiellackey3439 every outlet has a common
Its not about flipping a switch, its about knowing which switch to flip.
Great video, as usual. Congrats on the Olight sponsorship! " My name is FeralBeliever, and I'm a flashlight and vacuum addict..."
Vacuum? Like shop vacs?
@@TheHandyman1 Yep. It's a sickness... :)
@@feralbeliever4248 Sounds like it wouldn't be TOO expensive...you should wander over to the arboristsitedotcom and read some of the chainsaw collector threads. They have actually named their disease...CAD..."Chainsaw Acquisition Disorder". One guy had at LEAST 600 chainsaws, no sh...junk!
Love the video! Out here in Nor Cal, it is standard to have your main on the outside of the house... subs will be inside somewhere. I had one where the added on front room was tied directly into the main... one breaker, there was a sub in the garage for the rest of the house. The bathroom of the add on had a light and GFCI that needed to be switched out. I was looking all over the sub panel for the breaker and when I asked the homeowner she didn't know where the main was. Within 30 seconds found the main, told the home owner I was going to cut the power, and 15 minutes later had everything changed out and the power back on. The other guy said they couldn't do the job because they couldn't find the breaker. Their loss was my profit. Would love to see the supper secret channel... I did DM ya on Insta, but I figured you got a ton of requests there.
Glad to see you're an honest guy but not a cheap guy. People do not mind paying when they know they're not being ripped off. Your videos are awesome happy holidays.
I do lots of handyman work and I making a killing on electrical repairs. All easy stuff. Thanks for the video
I remember a service call i did. I was told the lights went out in master bedroom. They thought the ceiling fan had a short or the light switch was bad because those was brand new bulbs and was telling me, the professional,what I should be doing and checking.Turns out everything worked fine they had bought cheap 1 dollar bulbs from a corner store that was not very reliable. But new bulbs in took 2 min easy $60.00 dollars lol
When a breaker trips it doesn't stay in the "on position" it moves to the middle. It may look like it's still on because it moves so little but it's not. It will still require a flip to the off position and then a flip back to on so I can see why many people think it's just stuck in the "on position" after trip.
Yes that would be a GE breaker
i think the point is that it was difficult to see and was therefore missed
Another great video. I always prefer a repeat and referring customer over the one time big payments.
There are some good sparky’s out there. Unfortunately there is way more bad ones out there. Way too many people don’t take pride in their work these days.
Hell I met an inspector and a licensed electrical contractor.
who both insisted that you did not need to carry both a neutral and a ground and whatever ungrounded conductors from a main panel to a sub panel.
They had to do both a 120/240 service. And a high leg Delta service.
All that runs between these panels is the neutral and the two or three conductors. And it's an overhead feed, so no conduit.
You nailed it 🔨
2 things, every single one of those breakers were already tandem breakers which in some panels is illegal. so i don't know how you could add any more. Also pigtailing hots in a panel is perfectly legal under certain conditions.
Alan ... some inspectors will flag you on the fill rate if there's too many wires and others insist that the panel is not a junction box so no wire nuts allowed inside. They say if you want a junction then add an external box and bring in a single wire. (wire pair for a circuit)
If its new construction, it shouldn’t be done, but if its existing construction and your only adding a small load to that breaker, then no big deal.
Imagine being a mover hired to pack all that stuff up....
Just from the pictures alone would make me walk away from the job
LOL I was thinking the same thing. Most people I know that rent keep things minimal. They chase the lowest cost rent, so they have to be mobile ready.
I have also made a bunch of money flipping breakers for people. 😆 "but I checked the panel and all.the breakers are on!"
A long time ago I worked for Singer store repairing sewing machines. I had to go on service call to elderly ladies House. She stated that her machine just stopped working. I walked in and immediately saw the cord plug laying on the floor. I plugged it in, and ran through standard test. 1 minute! Unfortunately I had to charge her $15 service call charge. She was very happy to have her machine working!
Really good! Thanks!
Every profession is a bell curve. All my friends who are electrician would have also easily found that. Then again I have worked with people that heads were in their ass.
I think humanity has a bell curve also lmfao
@@abtwopoint0 True
Man, every time your phone goes off, I react and think it's my phone. It happens every other video!
Looking forward to the solar video!!
Pavlov's bell
I was like "I dont need another flashlight" then you started sticking it to stuff and I was like woah! I think I need a new flashlight.
Love your jokes man😀
I thought either upstream gfci or half tripped breaker. Liked your bonus material. You are fun to watch.
The hardest one I had to track down was a 15 amp breaker tripping at 9 amps. Talk about a booger bear 😠
Yes, ignorance is expensive. Yes, knowledge costs you. Yes, I got me some Handyman merchandise.
😄 I like that "flip some switch es" because that what i have been doing for living ,i normally call it fast coming money
I recommend checking the load at least on that circuit, and replacing that breaker. Tripped and not showing tripped is not acceptable. Also I recommend not wearing any rings (unless yours is a snazzy wooden ring) when putting your fingers inside any panel.
The tenant, homeowner nor electrician couldn't see a broken bulb base in the socket....how sad.
Great videos, as an early retiree and avid DIYer you are giving me ideas on how to earn dinner and a movie side money.
Great Channel! Thanks for sharing.
what's the difference between the GFCI and the trip on the board itself ? In the UK we are slightly different we have either RCBOs on each circuit or boards split with half protected by one RCD and the other half protected by another.
You all have an RCD for the entire house with a much higher fault current trip rating. GFCI's trip at about 5mA, compared to 30 or so with an RCD. (Don't remember the exact threshold)
You are very gifted as a repair man, are hardworking and are capable of fixing the mistakes of others. There are bad apples in every trade, though. Please don't label everyone in a given trade just because you encountered one of the bad ones.
Double-tapping circuit breakers is generally not permitted UNLESS the breaker has a terminal that is designed for two wires.
The NEC actually states to use a short pigtail & wirenut if the breaker terminal cannot accommodate 2 wires.
they sure have a lot of junk.
Love your channel sir just found it today
You missed the branch circuits sharing the same tandem breakers. If branch circuits are on the same phase the amperage on the neutral side will double. You will end up with 40 amps on a #12 wire and 30 Amp on a #14 wire. It's a good idea to fix that when find it field because the last guy to work on the panel always gets blamed.
🤣🤣🤣 no, that’s not the way it works
Maybe a dumb question. Did you check in the ceiling for the can parts? I'm an electrician and normally just push the housing into the ceiling when I need to get to the J box.
What CRM app are you using again? I can't find the video where you mentioned it... TY
Markate
You can do that. You can wire nut two hots into a breaker. It’s considered one circuit. Nothing different than splicing at a junction box for power to a new receptacle.
Should point out that some breakers are designed so they can have 2 wires on them but these Bryant breakers are not. With that said I use an olight and it is awesome !
7:20 that comment reminds me of a story. A small New England town had an old telephone system that broke down, so they called the only guy who knew anything about it to fix it. He poked around the facility for 10-15 minutes, went to one relay and whacked it with a hammer. The relay started working and the telephone system was up and running. The handyman charged $1001 for the job, itemized as follows;
Hitting the relay with a hammer: $1
Knowing which relay to hit: $1000
Haven't seen you in awhile. That beard. Hot dang!
You know there is a problem when A wire nut is used in the electrical panel lol
Not really
I've been on a few of those calls. Breakers look fine, an electrical tester and an interview then rotating through the panel (ya know because the breakers are never marked)
Usually a duplex breaker.
Ok I want to see the manufacturer specs and listing and labeling for that distribution panel..... not many panels allow that many minnies
Handy flashlight ~ it will stick to the plate in my head. 🤗
Homeowners doing their own electrical work is the reason they had to invent AFCIs 😂
Electrician must have been a apprentice
I worked for a journeyman that would always backstab his outlets. The title of the worker doesn’t mean good or bad workmanship.
Or an idiot
@@DamionJR4923 I was taught by my journey man to always wrap the wire clockwise with the screw and tighten it down snug.
Richard Hamilton I was taught by one journeyman to do the same thing. Then a different journeyman would tell me not to do that cause it took to long. I ignored the 2nd guy cause he is an idiot.
@@DamionJR4923 I usually only see backstabbing done on apartment buildings and complexes where the builders usually pay the electrical as piece work so rushing means quicker and more money but it's found in home builder developments too. It's never good to rush man gotta get it done properly safely and to the code. That's how I was taught "speed comes with time" holds true it eventually becomes muscle memory.
One of the worst contractors I ever hired was a licensed electrician. Quoted three days to do a job, took 5 weeks, installed a light with no way to turn it on, then wanted to charge me to fix it. Stated that "you'll never even know I was here" in reference to the holes he would have to make in the walls to run the wires. I spent a month of weekends fixing the wall and ceiling damage in 5 rooms.
Handy man wins every time .. wow that’s a bold statement lol
I couldn't agree with you more I was explaining to my father who started our business 20 years ago how prices have changed he went with me for a week running some estimates doing a few small jobs and I explained to him it's not the work exactly every time they're paying for it's the years of experience and knowledge that you taught me that I know now on simple things like you just showed in your video that other guys even professional electricians did not know how to do you can't pay enough for that kind of know how it's priceless
i'm an electrician form the UK so haven't worked on the US electrics but surely your trip switches are meant to move into the off position when they trip? replace the trip switch?
Supposed to, but when they get old, they will sometimes trip internally and the breaker switch will not move.
Thanks for the video =)
Resi applications are a joke once you've done enough industrial work E. G. Robotics, and PLC's.
You aren't saying too much if you're proud to be able to figure out a problem on a single 15a circuit.
Resi has more codes to follow therefore more places you can go wrong as where industrial is way more laid back // all electricity runs the same way legit you can solve any problem with the same simple steps in both resi and industrial regardless of PLCs or robotics u find where it burned up u replace it and it works again...
Industrial electrician for life
Thanks for the video, hope I didn't miss this in your video..... when replacing a main panel, if the wires are too short, can a splice be added using wire nuts, where the wire nut connections would be contained in the main panel box?
Yes
Yes - it is a common misconception that splices cannot occur in a panel. They can. What cannot be done is so-called "double lugging" (placing more than one wire under a common terminal) for neutrals. Two wires under one terminal of a breaker is also not allowed unless the terminal is designed to receive more than one conductor (Square D QO and QOB breakers accept two wires if needed).
It's a bit like pilots. They're not paid to fly the plane. They're paid to make sure you survive the trip.
As a pilot I approve of this message..... ;-)
Nice video, good detail.
Ran into the exact same thing this summer. A breaker switch which was tripped, but remained in the "hot" position. Strange.
It doesn’t happen very frequently but it’s not all that uncommon either. Your multimeter will tell you what’s going on once you’ve pinpointed which breaker feeds the circuit you’re troubleshooting and check voltage from the terminal screw on the breaker to neutral/ground. I’ve been in the trade 26 yrs and I could probably count on both hands how many times I’ve run into that situation
@@Ephesians-ts8ze Pushing it toward the ON position usually finds the tripped breaker, too.
Time to collect 1,000 😂😂😂. Fair price in that 175.00 keep up the great content
Seems like a lot of stuff to run off one breaker.
Exactly my thoughts.
Not to bad if they use LED bulbs.
Thank God for breakers...all those loads via small gauge wiring through a Mickey Mouse panel?
Wow! Some folks just don't value life!
@@davidremillard4181 - that kind of thing was common place thirty years ago. I have a house where fully half the house was running on a single breaker when the house was built, fifty years ago... The original panel only had six breakers for the entire dwelling. I have had to completely re-wire the place to remove the original aluminum wiring and upgrade the panel to a newer one with 20 circuits and a sub panel in the addition with another ten circuits. Now I just need a new outside panel where the meter is.
I am a big fan of the tool showcasing just for spite. Love spite. 👍
Even the best Of the Best sometimes Fail sir
Don’t let vanity distract you
And KeeP up with the helpful videos
Congrats on DIS, so far so good Handyman.
Damn... At those prices..
The sale price needs to be on sale!
Just my opinion.
WELL DONE! my 40ish year old home has outside FUSED main panel and 3 (den addition, outside laundry room, added central a/c) sub panels. Any idea what the failed electrician charged? headed to that "other" channel now!!! will check out those flashlights as it's one of my addictions. have you run across a breaker still showing on before? I had a car with a fuse that looked good but was blown. I learned to always use a meter and not just visual.
Hmm.....I'm trying to think of all the hundreds of trips to Lowes or Home depot if I have ever seen the red and blue colored circuit breaker switches.
I like the colorful ones. They seem to just use all black ones now.
Thank you! For inside! I'm 47 years old single mother of two kids! I wanted to redo my living room. And my contactor walked out on the job! Now I got electrical wires showing. I called 3 electrician in my town all wanted about $1200. To do the work.. So at my job LoWe's they are offering employees $2500. Education per year. So I'm thinking taken online courses. And do it myself! Thank you so much. If I can get this down maybe I'll office help to other moms in my town! Being handywomen! Lol
I have my fan running and my LED recessed lights on. When I turn off the fan, on it's own switch, my LED lights also turn off momentarily (and then come back on). Why??? I have a switch for my fan, and a switch next to it for my LED recessed lights in my bedroom. Any insight would be appreciated.