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- Опубликовано: 9 янв 2024
- PFF's Sam Monson and Trevor Sikkema discuss who they think should win defensive player of the year.
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Imagine if there was a stat for edge rushers that measured how many time they actually took down the QB
🤣
TJ Watt has more
Sacks
Tackles
TFLs
Fumble Recoveries
Pressures
QB Knockdowns
QB Hurries
More PBUs (pass knockdowns)
Than Myles Garrett 😂😂
The stats i been hearing is “pass rush win rate” and “dbl team %”.. well if one guy is statistically making more impact on a pass how does he win less?? And why dont they consider RB/TE chips as a double team cuz he is chipped EVERY 3rd Down
Go cry
Thank you bro these dudes is really trolling at this point
garrett gets doubled and chipped
Conspiracies got people buying into percentages based on predictions. Obviously it has no effect on the outcome of the game. It's like plus and minus in basketball or per 36mins stats. Which is all kind of based on predictions or would or could bs.
Yeah they don't have a clue but random guys who probably never played knows everything because they looked at the stats lol
Well I guess Dak and Jish are better than Mahomes. Just look at the stats.
Coming back here after Garrett's monstrous game against Houston 😂
the funny part is 40 y/o Derrick Barnett even looked better than him
That performance surely tipped the scales. Whole game, I was like...just wow.
Must be disappointing pointing for you that Garrett's put up 1 sack in the last 7 weeks then huh
Coming back here after Garretts monstrous award!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂 TJ is booty
Looking at those stats yall posted how is Micah Parson not over Myles Garrett… literally everything yall pick MG for over TJ … Micah is leading in
You see it too. It's beyond cherry picking. It's insanity. They ignore all the other stats and champion some new silliness from PFF called win rate that doesn't translate into squat. This over hyping Browns to sell subscriptions has got to stop.
its like if they wanna argue Pass Rush win rate, at least take Micah who is leading in it
3:20 TJ leads in all the stats that has to do with winning the game, his 8 PDs more than Myles and Micah together
This is why no one takes you seriously
As a Steelers fan ofc I think TJ is the DPOY but if you’re going to bring up PRWR and Pressure how is Myles over Micah? That doesn’t make any sense to me
While I still think TJ is king, this is an excellent point. Really wish they would address this.
Yeah it is weird that they say Garret over Micah, don’t see the reasoning behind that much. But I do believe Micah is DPOY and TJ was second runnder
@@mrfamousamos9819Myles won already what do you mean?
Basically stats don't matter in today's NFL
They do, just not the stats you care about.
This how I feel
@@rayshawnclark716 You mean the stats that don't matter, matter.
No they do but not over the propoganda of giving one player more love than the other just because u like one player and don't like the other player who has better stats
@@akray1153 No they don't matter, the stats that affect the game matters. Let's take a look at how those super studs Myles & Micah 'of stats that don't matter ' affected their playoff games. Cleveland -> 45 points Blown out. Dallas -> 48 points Blown out. Now lets take a look at how they did on stats that do matter:
Myles Garrett 2 tackles 1 asst. 0 QB hits, 0 sacks, 0 FF/FR 0 Ints
Points Aginst : QTR 1-3 (not garbage time)....38
Micah Parsons 1 tackle 1 asst. 1 QB hits, 0 sacks, 0 FF/FR 0 Ints
Points Aginst : QTR 1-3 (not garbage time)....41
Who can ever doubt these two aren't the DPOY. LOL
Why all of a sudden are we taking almost production over actual production? Wow Myles Garrett almost gets the QB. TJ watt actually gets to the QB and has more fumble recoverys, tds, INTs, TFLs, QB hits, you know all the stats that actually matter.
Pff stay leaving out Watt’s other stats like his force fumbles, fumble recoveries, ints, batted passes, tackle for losses, and how many times he gets held during double teams
The only stat that matters is pass rush win rate don’t be dumb
@@georgerojas1949 I thought the topic was “defensive mvp” not pass rusher mvp
Lol watt doesn't get double teamed nearly as often as Garrett and still doesn't win as often as myles. The dude had 2 tight ends follow.him around the field. Let me know when teams respect watt enough to double him . Ntm he plays right side of the defense. Garrett is better
@@miked1813 just turn on a Steelers game and you’ll see 😂. They have TEs blocking him and sometimes slot receivers chipping him. Come up with a better excuse as to why TJ has better stats than Myles and Parsons. Can’t have an argument if you’re going to tell only half the story with what Watt is doing with results in TFLs, FR, FF, Ints and Sacks?
@coryhewens795 lol when you see half to a third of the double teams I would hope you'd have some success. Turn on a browns game and watch myles. He is double and triple teamed all game and still the qb has no time to throw. There are levels to this , sorry but watt is not on Garrett level. A chip and a full on double team aren't the same thing.
I don’t like how PFF focuses solely on “how many time a guy wins against their opponent” sometimes the flat out stats tell the story unless you are an OL
Just to some this up “the stats that actually matter Tj watt is leading in and made up stats that we pretend to mean something he’s not leading so Myles Garrett is the dpoy”. If football is trying to go the way of new age baseball I promise you it’s not relevant in this sport. Things don’t even out here like baseball does. You either make the play or don’t and Tj watt made more defensive plays than anybody else by a wide margin this year. Come back to reality with the rest of us
totally agree... Outcomes are all that matters in the end.
If a player ain’t making the play what does it matter. A sack is more important than not getting a sack. The man literally leads pass rushers in all categories. Idc about the win rate or pressures if there not making the big play. TJ is the best hands down and pff ruined the whole voting system
Well you're showing your stupidity. Sacks are a combination of win rate % and events out of a players control. There is an element of luck with sacks
THANK YOU
Obviously it attracts to himself and makes it easier for his teammates. That's the entire point?
@@knightdance8377 and so does getting 19 sacks 8 pass deflections 4 FF 1 int and 48 solos. Cmon dude making a player loose 10 yards is a lot better than making them throw the ball away
@MattTheToolMan That is such a delusional take. Most interceptions come from rushed throws. If a guy is double or triple teamed and someone else gets a sack or TFL, that is product of that guy taking up multiple players.
Remember fellas this is PFF. This shit doesn’t matter when the AP Votes come out
TJ watt with ease TJ leads in every category this shouldn't even be a conversation TJ been better and still better numbers dont lie
PFF stats are objective and are owned by network interest groups and not private non objective sources.
It’s the Defensive Player of the Year award, not the Pass Rusher of the Year award. TJ has a much broader skill set than Myles Garrett WHILE ALSO putting up better numbers than him every single year. TJ might “win” his reps less often, but he makes more plays when he does win. HOW ON EARTH is that a knock against TJ and not a knock against Myles??
Pass rush win percentage 😂
Hasn't had a game with more than 3 total tackles since Oct 22nd, you guys are crazy😂😂
Where was 95 to day 😂
Funny how he mentioned people holding sacks, tackles for loss exceedingly high when PFF does the exact thing with Pass rush win rate, and if his "Rate "stats are so high, why are his "Box" stats so underwhelming
4:19 "Because the pass rush win grade is stupid."
I see what you did there. Well played.
It’s Antoine Windfield Jr and it’s not even close
What has Myles garret done better than tj? Please show me in the stats
Pass rush win rate is something
So are we going to start crediting QBs for almost TD passes like we are Myles Garrett for almost sacks? How about we give 2 points in a game for an almost field goal? PFF is a joke. TJ Watt is the best defensive player in football regardless of what the analytics geeks say.
Glad not everyone is dumb here
Completely different, apples and oranges. An "almost TD pass" means nothing. Pressures and win% directly reduces the QB's time to throw the football, disoreintates the Offensive line and frees up space for teammates since the opponent is so pre-occupied with 1 guy.
@knightdance8377 Doesn't make it worth more than sacks, ffs, turnovers, defended passes, and tds
@@nighthawk02 Perhaps but TJ Watt also faces far less double teams than Myles Garrett does or Micah Parsons / Nick Bosa does for that matter. There's a good graph of this on twitter. That's why a more nuanced outlook to statistics is critical, like the comprehensive table shown in the video. There's a reason why the Browns defense is number 1 this year. Not only because of the plays Garrett makes but how many double teams he faces and how much easier that makes it for his D-line
@knightdance8377 TJ faces plenty of double teams himself. Browns defense just got better as a whole. They haven't been the best in recent years and Myles didn't magically get that much better
Another year of tj watt being snubbed this is ludicrous. Tj produces in the categories it matters. And makes the impact to prove it and thus doesn’t take into account the fact that tj also has interception tipped balls and so many other stats he’s not just a pass rusher or a run defender he does it all also has a defensive td. Pff sucks and you guys literally find anyway to discount tj everytime
Tj went out last week and it affected the Steelers almost none
He had two sacks that game and lead the team in tackles before he went out goofy
This wasted no time aging like milk@@IRepko
PFF has exposed themselves with the nonsensical logic. Stats that matter in terms of impacting a game belong to TJ Watt. They have been hating on this man for YEARS NOW!
I like how he says some years the DPOY picks itself through stats. Like what? He did this year too your are just ignoring the fact that TJ had a year that was 20% more effective. I don’t understand how these people are so biased.
daron bland deserves this award he done more than he was meant to do in the roll he has played this year
He might have if he didn’t start getting cooked the last quarter of the season
If you said Myles over Watt you are missing some brain cells
Theirs no such thing as a impact WR, a WR who gets doubled but gets anointed with less stats over a WR with better stats
The Steelers are absolutely ass this season and made the playoffs they don't make the playoffs without watt
Outcomes is what matters. What is the outcome and weight them?
Tell me who wins then? Win rate is garbage if I dump to the RB for a first down or run for 15 yards.... Outcomes, please!!!
Where’s the missed holding call rate?
TJ Watt is the defensive player of the year and all the important stats back it up force fumbles, fumble recoveries, interceptions , batted passes , tackle for losses and returned TD's and gets held many time whether single or double teams and when he is not playing they are 1- 10 , Myles Garrett is not even close to TJ Watt.
I could understand someone saying TJ better but when goofies like you say it’s not close it’s insulting to fans who actually watch the game
If watt and Myles were on the same team. Nobody would even pay attention to watt. Pass rushing, watt can't carry Myles jock strap homie
@@deereed3303 are you kidding me, Cleveland is a better overall defense than the Steelers, if Myles misses 12 games like Watt did , the Cleveland Browns defense wouldn't even miss Garrett= DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR IN WATT. END OF STORY !!!!!!!!
@@deereed3303he speaking on the stats not the player. Garrett is just as good as TJ
@@deereed3303Look at the stats. TJ leads in like 99% of stats. How are they close when one guy dominates the other in every statistical way?
Garrett wins on the most rushes but doesn’t lead in tackles or sacks. How is he just winning his rush and sitting in the backfield? Beats his linemen and does nothing else you.
It's because every team is coming up with plans for him when did tj watt have tights follow him around?
@@seansmith3620 watch some film
Myles puts pressure on QBs in about 1.5 - 2 seconds. So offenses have to game plan for that meaning quick passes all game
TJ should win this award.
@@klmn4346That’s just not true. For example, quarterbacks get the ball out at the same time vs the browns and Steelers.
I'm not a Steelers fan AT ALL, but if Watt leads all categories why is Garrett the favorite to win? 😮
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Winfield: 11th in coverage grade and 11th in interceptions among safeties.... Kinda important stats for a Safety...
2nd is pass breakups and forced incompletions; and his job was usually to cover ground; plus if it weren’t for AWJ we would not be in playoffs, he alone saved 16 points
@@Killageable He's undoubtedly very good, I just thought it was silly to gloss over some super important stats while arguing he should be DPOY.
Boy, that pass rush win rate really shined today, eh fellas? Sacks will always be king, period. Sacks lose yards and end plays. Ben Roethlisberger made a hall of fame career out of getting pressured and these guys want to act like they are more valuable than sacks? It's a joke of a stat. Getting pressure is nice, but it's not a guarantee that it results in something good for the defense. A sack is a 100% guaranteed result every time and much more valuable than a hypothetical situation.
T.J Watt put up a stat line this year that has only been seen twice before in the NFL. Once by himself when he won DPOY and once by his brother, who also won DPOY the year he did it. And now a bunch of what if stats hold more value than actual results? The man is the only guy in NFL history since they have recorded sacks to lead the league in sacks three times. Three!
Cleveland got hyped as such a great defense this year and did very well in yards allowed but fell behind quite a few teams when it comes to points allowed, including Pittsburgh where Watt plays. While pass rush win rate and yards allowed look great on paper, they hold nowhere near as much weight as sacks which end plays and downs and the final score of a game.
It's like watching a boxing match and saying the guy who landed a higher percentage of punches is the winner while he's knocked out, on the floor, because the other guy landed the blows that really mattered. You value the wrong stats more than the ones that actually matter.
Forget sacks, we aren't even talking about pressures.
garrett had 1 sack in the last 6 games.. Pass rush win rate means nothing
What does TJ have to do to get the respect he's do, it's not his fault that his offense couldn't score points to help him in the win loss department, Myles didn't produce like TJ and if his pass rate was so good why wasn't his stats better
PFF, when you need a stop on defense would you like your pass rusher to get a sack or have a high pass rush win rate? Nobody cares about pass rush win percentage during a game even if it was 100%. If your pass rusher is not hitting/sacking the QB it is not directly affecting the game. Watt has more hits and sacks than Garrett. Watt is a better pass rusher cause he finishes what he started more than Garrett. Thank you
Antoine Winfield Jr had a historic season..look at his stats.. only player since 1994 with his stat line!!!
Pff will never anoint a RB who gets 1200 with 8 in the box over a RB with 1700 but don't get 8 in the box, so why do they do def. like this
PFF the leader in DEI analytics
Worst Take of the Year Award once again goes to PFF.
Garrett 42 tackles 14 sacks
Crosby 90 Tackles 14 sacks
Its Myles Garrett, dont forget to that Garrett didn't play the last game so he easily could have had afew more stats and the reason he didn't play twas because they were good enough through the season remember its the defensive mvp so his value was great enough that his team didn't need to play that game
On plays when he know he's not gonna get to the QB he's to lazy to jump and bat the ball down, only 3 PDs
He wasn’t leading before he sat out either…
He didn't do anything In his last 3 or 4 games
@@Reecesavage-Alwayswin no he broke his sackless streak on week 17 it was the 3-4 games prior to that that he didn't have any sacks theirs a good chance that he was primed for a monster game
Tj got hurt and didn't play a whole game week 18 either.. TJ is clearly the best player. He does sooooo much more than Myles garrett.
Lol the fact that like 80% of the comments are calling out this stupidity is funny as hell. Like half the stats micah is above Garret yet hes blindly ignored as well.
According to that graft its more Miles vs Bosa
Yup, but PFF loves Myles more than Bosa and Browns fans are far more delusional about PFF grades than 49ers fans. 49ers fans know what Bosa can do, and how what he's done this season isn't DPOY worthy like last season. The more complex stats are interesting, sure, but you also have to look at the official stats and in those TJ is the clear choice among edge rushers, just like Bosa was last year. These guys are so obsessed with Myles ability to beat a block that they ignore everything else.
Well, that aged like milk
Obviously we’re valuing big plays bigger than non plays 😂😂😂
Pass Rush Win Rate is completely subjective. Using actual stats TJ Watt is the winner. PFF loses credibility by putting so much weight into subjective stats.
Let me get this straight Watt, had more PD, INT's, Tlk, qb hits, TFL and the all important Sacks and the guy who had 1 sack in the last 7 games 0 in his playoff game win DPOY. HMMMMMM
PFF, your methodology makes no sense. Myles Garrett and Tj watt have both recorded more tfls than Nick Bosa. I also don't understand why expected sacks and expected actual sacks seems to be better the less actual sacks you got compared to your projected.
Also, kinda hilarious the Tampa Bay guy's argument for Antoine Winfield Jr. being dpoy is based predominantly on him ranking at or near the top of most of the stats that matter to a safety with an aside on him being a good Blitzer for his position.
Which is strange, because TJ watt leads in most stats, is a decent pass protection when asked to do it, got an interception, 4 forced fumbles, 8 passes defended, 3 fumble recoveries, and a defensive touchdown that sealed the win they had over the browns earlier this year. So which is it?
There's also the whole we shouldn't count real stats too much but we should totally put an outsized emphasis on subjective stats that we made up to say Myles Garrett should be dpoy when Micah parsons seems to be ahead of Myles Garrett in most of these stats at just presented.
Micah is gonna have to break 10 records in one season just to win anything? Does Dallas have to keep Micah at edge just so "the tape" that is being watched has to matter?
Glad they got it right. Garrett>TJ and its not close.
SO BASICALLY this dpoy has turned into a popularity contest 😂. 2+2=5 with you people. TJ is dpoy. If anybody else gets it. This award amongst others wont mean anything after this year.
Pass rush win rate, which is totally made up stat. So basically if you run wide and the talckle pushes you past the qb that's a win even if the qb completed a pass. 🤷
I love that they put TJ in the thumbnail for this just to talk shit about him. Really says the quiet part out loud. But Ill leave the same comment i said on the regular show.
PFF: TJ Watt is just good stats.
Also PFF: LOOK AT WINFIELD JRs STATS.
PFF: We are looking for versatility.
Also PFF: Sure TJ brings a wider skill set to the table, but have you SEEN Garrett's Pass Rush Win Rate*.
Pass rush win rate is a garbo stat and heres why. It includes "rushes" that are touch the OL pads and drop into coverage. It penalizes edge rushers who drop into coverage like a TJ Watt or they did this same thing to Khalil Mack and Von Miller when under Fangio.
TJ's stats materialized, Myles and Micah's didn't, but lead in could've should've
Pff is the death of sports analytics
I understand myles and tj are top mfs but the fact that nobody even mentions Khalil mack is kinda baffling
same goes for Trey Hendrickson who finished a close second in sacks.
Winfield should be in this debate
It’s tj no conversation what are y’all talking about
Steelers are 1-10 without watt. Te means moreto his team then garret
Pass rush win rate is a joke if you don’t get pressure or sacks
Another reason the stats are overrated is that the Browns defense played significant less plays than every other team. It’s not even close.
they played 2 top 15 qbs that’s it and played a 4th place schedule
ALMOST DOESN'T COUNT!!! TJ Watt is DPOY!!!
Yeah.... a little TOO homer. LIke, as a 49er fan, I think Fred Warner should be in the conversation (he's got more INT's than like 90% of DBs, rofl), but even I 100% agree it's Myles Garrett. Dude is on another level this season.
Yo these new stats are weird lol
Trey Hendrickson
It’s Myles Garrett. The Browns defense literally doesn’t function without him. And they’re the best defense in a long time.
QBs get completely iced out by this pass rush.
They’re not even the best defense in the division. That’d be the Ravens
Steelers havent won a game without tj in like 12 games what are you even talking about 😂😂😂
@@danmcgregor7023 haha!
Look it's easy: let's say Myles, TJ, and Micah were all on the same team. Who does the offense focus their attention on?
The unanimous answer if you ask literally any player, coach, or unbiased fan is Myles Garrett.
There's enough data to make an argument for 3-5 different guys depending on the stats you value. But there's only 1 guy that is clearly head and shoulders above the rest in terms of eyetest and impact on offensive schemes and offensive gameplans.
Very well said brother. I agree 100
100%
Myles Garrett is absolutely unblockable 1v1.
😂😂😂 clueless Watt is arguably one of the best defensive players of all time.
@@Reecesavage-Alwayswinyeah you’re definitely clueless coaches all say the Myles Garret is the one they fear the most
Tbh I’d focus on Micah most likely… I’ve seen Garret be stop by one on one multiple times by one of the worst tackles in the league … and TJ you probably don’t have to worry bout on a per snap basis
So if there were 2 wrs. One had more catches and yards and tds but the other had better, and I mean rediculously better, I mean record breaking seperation and advanced stats said he was by far the most open reciever, he should get the award of best offensive player? Not in my opinion. Maybe most talented, wins the PFF combine. But who made the plays? Duh. the guy who caught the balls. TJ Watt was so much more impactful and its not close. Even in pressures they are equal. Garrett can win the running away from the blocker talent show award.
its gotta be myles
3:45 sure let's not value the actual stats that effect games and seasons. This makes absolutely no sense. If someone can actually break it down as to why Myles can win without giving a reason as to why Micah should win then please elaborate. It's really no shock as to why PFF is so disregarded in real media.
1:35 Here we go with PFF doing their normal Bakeresque cherry picking. If his win rate is so high then how the hell is he like 5th or 6th in sacks. This is ludicrous. That so called win rate should translate into hits and pressures. Tell us about his hits and pressures. Does he lead the league in those? And he better not have fewer than TJ Watt.
PFF loves the Browns because the fans are the most gullible and football ignorant fan base in the sport. They will believe anything.
Myles Garrett deserves to win it of course. 3:15 reason is TJ faces way less double teams than Garrett, Micah and Bosa do, for some odd reason
Bro they dont count RB or TE chips as double teams 🙃🙃
It’s really not he gets doubled mainly by TE and RBS but pff doesn’t count that. If anything its more difficult for what because he has to take each one at a time to get to the qb.
Myles almost got a bunch of sacks today in a blowout loss in the first round....so glad he had such a high win rate and that impacted the game exactly zero lol.
The only player that deserves it more than tj is daron
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Really yall forgot about tj lol
TJ watt has more snaps played against the run, snaps played against the pass. On top of that; he has less double teams by a country mile. Look at all the advanced stats. Not just pass rush win rate. It’s color coded so you clowns can easily tell. Tell me, why are almost all TJ’s advanced stats in the red compared to not just Myles but every other defender on this list?
You guys are jokes. Tj watt it on top. You make up these bullshit stats that have nothing to do with the nfl
Maxx crosby is better than all them and he stays on the field no breaks
Y’all hate Myles Garrett 😂😂
Did you see that game he got dog walked by one person
So only subjective 😂
This discussion is easy. Who would you rather have on your team for this year. The answer is clearly Myles Garrett
It’s Myles Garrett and it’s not even close! The best defense in the leauge on his shoulders
He's not even top three at this point
😂
Bro TJ literally leads in every category and also scored a defensive TD. And the only one to get a int out of the 3
You're pulling the sane bs as the mvp voting. Find the best team and find the best player on that team
Hendrickson had a better season than Garrett
I ahater
GIVE MYLES HIS RESPECT
I give Myles his due, but he’s less than T J … just my opinion.
@@jamesfazenbaker2918 while.i do respect you're opinion, it's wrong. Stats can be very misleading
Myles Garrett > TJ What?
TJ watt is a clean up artist. Garretts win rate is 27% Watts win rate is 16%
Garretts triple team rate: 29%
Watt triple team rate: 14%
Watt a systeme linebacker. he isnt elite
nuff said
Micah>Garrett … other than PFF PRWR what does Garrett beat Micah in? Maybe Double team rate?
I like Myles Garrett a lot and his pass rush win rate might be the best ever recorded but let's be honest(this is coming from a Giants and football fanatic) Daron bland lead the NFL in INTs, broke the Int TD record(he had more TDs than any giants player had Receiving TDs) and Garrett ranked outside the top 5 in total sacks too. That said he's lacking in versatility, he's 6th in breakups but no Forced Fumbles, Watt has a pick, FFs and lead the league in total sacks. It's Bland or Watt. There are too many good pass rushers to give it to one who has a low amount of tackles and not even top five in sacks. I think the best decision is Bland especially with how he picked up as CB1 when Diggs went out and helped the Cowboys win 12.
Garrett rarely is a game changer, last several weeks he hasn't done much.
You clearly don’t watch the Browns or the film 🤣
@teonsmith1209 dude has 14 sacks and his stats are way under the top three leaders on defense, Watt is way better,stats don't lie.
@@SirFixAlot72 and look up all the other players that eat up sacks because he gets triple teamed and doubled eating those up. You’re a clown. Hes pressuring the QB every play. They QBs get rid of the ball the quickest when facing him and he still gets sacks. He affects the game in so many ways. You’re elite when you make the players around you better and that is exactly what he does
@@SirFixAlot72 stats do lie tho. I can think of many examples where stats can be misleading. The ONLY reason you don't think Myles is doing anything is because you're not watching. Half of their line and no joke sometimes even more, are blocking this man at the same time. More holds on Garrett by far than anyone. I'm talking facemasks and tackles are allowed when you have to block him. It's the only way the game can be fair. If they called flags on him I absolutely promise you opposing teams would not reach 100 yards.
Watch a Browns game and watch how the entire defense is setup to stop him. Go watch the Titans game where Myles was roaming and had 2 players shadowing him. If teams don’t do that against Myles, the Colts game happens where he recks everything and took over a ball game. No other play in the league is doing that
The man has 19 sacks so how is TJ not the front runner that PRWR is stupid af TJ got the numbers 19 vs 14 game over
These 2 goons were handed to script to say miles Garrett won because it's obvious to everyone that they are cherry picking their argument.
Pff has no credibility if stats don't matter
Pff just became the joke of the nfl after Myles and the debate. stats.
You guys have never watched football have you 😂😂😂
Its myles garrett. There are about 5-7 players that can win and it works just fine. When that happens you pick the best player on the best defense. And that is Myles Garrett.
That said. Watt can win and I'd be just fine with it
Kyle Hamilton is the best player on the best defense. But overall Myles Garrett as an individual defender is the most impactful and should get it.
@@heavylobster4339 well the browns defense sure outplayed the crap out of yours in the head to head. They give up less than 7pts a game when you take away points off turnovers and defensive scores. It's not close even actually. In epa per play (the best metric to grade a defense on. The 32nd ranked defense is closer to the ravens at 2 than the Ravens are to the browns at 1. It's not close.
@@heavylobster4339 I mean hopefully we'll get the ravens next week and you'll see what happens when we have a real QB under center who can actually keep the defense off the field and rested. You got DTR(a fifth round rookie) and Deshaun Watson, a bottom 5 QB in this league. Flacco isn't even that good, he's just average and that should be enough for us to smoke you guys in your own home
@@heavylobster4339 your best edge rusher clowney couldn't even play on our line. He'd be our 5th EDGE. Your defense is great. But they aren't on the same level as the Browns. The browns defense is all time
TJ Watt leads in everything. He rushes better ...plays the rush better ...drops in coverage ...bats down balls ...gets gatorade better...shakes hands better...He is just better!!!