How To Double the AMPS Out of Predator 420cc Hemi Engine for Lights & Other Accessories Alternator
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- If you like and subscribe to my page you can tell I do small engine repair BUT I Love Ariens and enjoy repurposing, repowering, and re-using! I have done a few Hemi Swaps (212cc) but this 420cc Hemi is for me! I LOVE LOVE LOVE #Ariens #KingOf Snow and I have a fleet of them. My favorite machine from them is Big Tire 11/28! I had 4 of them and my wife ironically picked up a 5th one at a garage sale for $50. It had a hole in the block, skid shoe missing, and so on. THIS WAS THE PERFECT opportunity for me to slap a bigger engine on it and utilize the key start on it as well.
The goal is MORE POWER (even though not needed), key start, and I want the engine to charge the battery as I am using it.
Here is the link to the exact charging coil I used VIA Ebay. Ebay had the BEST PRICE:
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Here is the link to the Voltage Regulator via EBAY which also had the BEST PRICE:
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Thanks for getting back to me I really appreciate the hook up. I put a Duramax 420 cc 16 HP in a 1950 Cushman Eagle but it needed more amps. Thanks to you that's no longer a problem. God bless
Richard Alfaro I’m so glad it worked for you! Sorry I missed this comment! How is your project doing?
Did the coils do the trick or did it need a regulator/rectifier, also?
Great video! Good stuff. Thankyou for the education. Have you had a chance to play with a Predator max 259cc?
No I haven’t sorry
Thanks for the info on how to double the amp output on the predator 420. I have a Duramax 420 cc 16 HP electric start. Please tell me where you purchased the coil and regulator . Thanks and God bless.
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Thank You
The Arians chassis’s are the best, I did a 15 hp pro point engine swap on a deluxe 28 .
I happen to love this Generation of Ariens! The 1128 / 1124 are just ANIMALS. Let’s not forget the 9/26 with a triple belt conversion! Amazing! Just googled Pro Point...must be from across the border EYYYH 🤣
Please keep my updated on your project!
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@@pattayperformance The canadian predator exactly the same. Waiting on some snow to try it out. Love the channel.
How many amps where you getting?
Liked and subscribed. Do you know what the single charging coil puts out? Also the VR is no longer available, do you have specs to find one similar?
Thanks! Btw im trying to repower a 1982 craftsman GTV16 with the absolute WEIRDEST belt drive system lol. Very mangled wiring on the old garden tractor as well.... should be fun lol. Thanks again.
NOT enough to charge a battery, run heated handgrips and a light LOL!
type in
wingsmotor 4 wire voltage
into the search bar and should pop up! Best of luck with your project! Are yuou posting it here?
@@pattayperformance awesome buddy! Thanks! I might try the factory set up just to charge the battery. Idk. I might run a double pulley and do a GM 1 wire alternator...
So I got the regulator rectifier you used, and the coil. But my output (no battery connected to the RR) is 5VDC and 12VAC. Any thoughts why?
I’m not too keen an on electrical...I measured in AMPS...bc I wanted power to run all the accessories AND charge the battery at the same time.
The is set up did not put out enough AMPS to run OEM Light, Heated Handgrips and charge the battery.
Later down the line I found this out, I ditched the set up and went with OEM Honda Coils from a Genset. They were almost $100. I did post it on a video about the conversion.
I didn’t make a big deal out of it bc most people aren’t doing this swap on a snowblower with all the bells and whistles. Most people are using these motors and running LED lights which doesn’t pull much.
I can’t run LEDS on a snowblower bc they don’t emit heat. Once snow hits the light it freezes over and becomes useless.
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What is your motor going on?
Did you change the magnets?
I’m planing out a electric to gas golf kart conversion and the predator 420 looks good. Can you tell me how well this can keep the starter battery charged? What is the amp output at 12 volts?
Its only 5 amps and NOT sufficient enough to charge the battery while running lights and heated handgrips! I went a different route but I have not yet installed it and tested it. Will post a link as soon as I do!
Thanks for the info, I installed the battery but was hesitant on the charger and where to ge them
Scott Li,
Later down the line this set up didn’t power everything I needed on the snowblower. I uninstalled this and went with a set of coils from a generator. There is a video on that too lol!
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What is this beast of an engine on for your application?
@@pattayperformance I put this thing on a mini skid steer that i bought a year ago. The gentleman who sold it to me put a predator 301cc on it which has no way for a electric start. Even the 420cc is too big for the frame, I still bought it, and cut the frame to fit. The mini skid steer is from the 1980s...
Scott Li thats awesome! If you ever upload a video on it PLEASE DO NOT FORGET ABOUT ME! I am interested in seeing it for sure!
Hi, I need your advice on how to correctly wire up the additional charging coil and voltage regulator. What’s throwing me off is the one wire coming from each coil. Can I just take the that one wire from each coil and attach to each of the taps on the VR? If so, do I eliminate the diode that is one already installed coil wire? And if not using the VR, can I just connect both coil wires together provided by adding a diode onto the new coil wire (although I suspect that is what the VR is supposed to help me accomplish). Thanks, I appreciate any and all advice.
Ray Y,
Thanks for the view!
What rectifier did you get?
foreverfalcon40. I got the exact one you recommended, so was curious if nothing else, do I just run the one wire from the newly installed coil to one of the AC inputs or is there a way to tie both coils together?
Ray Y,
You can wire them separately into recertifier/regulator.
Red if power
Green is ground
Yellow and pink are power in from coils
foreverfalcon40 thanks appreciate the info. Each coil wire will feed either side of the rectifier and overall the amps will add up from each coil and essentially double the output coming out of the VR. Just one last question, with the “stock coil” already installed, I believe there is a sort of filter diode in the wire that roughly rectifies to dc voltage, do I have to do anything with that or just let the wire be and still run to the VR. As you can tell I’m all new to this and just don’t want to burn anything out.
Ray Y
You can remove the diode since the Rectifier/Regulator will nullify that.
Wires from each coil can be tied together or run them individually.
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What are you installing your 420cc into and what are your goals?
How did you wire the coils and the VR? I have the exact same setup, my coils are putting out 15-30vac each, but when I wire each lead to the VR I’m only getting 3vdc output (open) I’ve tried two different regulators with the same result. I’m thinking maybe I have to float the ground on the regulator since the coils use the case for AC ground. Any insight would be helpful! Thanks
I’m terrible at electrical and wish I could help you. I will tell you what I know...I ditched this set up later down the line. Went with a Genset Coils as they put out more amps. Now I have sufficient amperage to run the lights, heated handgrips and charger the battery while running.
I wired the regulator they way it instructed me in the directions.
I would start with ground and report back. Hopefully someone who is more electrically inclined will chime in. If you ever find your issue and correct it. PLEASE post back...other people for sure will have your issue as well.
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Also what did you put the motor on?
Pattay's Performance thanks for the reply, I got it working today! The engine is a 212 predator. There are two ways to run it, and it depends on how the coils are wired. Mine had a lead grounded to the iron core hence grounded to the block. You run the wires thru diodes and get a “half wave recitification” which works ok but it only puts out half the amps (since you are cutting out half the wave). To use a full wave recitifier as you have in this video, and what I used, you have to have coils that don’t share a ground with the dc side of the circuit. So you can buy coils like this that have two leads, or what I did is cut the coil wires from the ground lug, soldiered on a new wire to each, ran them out of the engine. So it gave me a total of 4 wires from the coils. In motorcycle electrical engineering it’s called “floating the ground” of the coils. I then wired the coils in parallel in a clockwise rotation to get down to two wires. I then connected these two wires to my recitifier inputs and bam full wave recitification and full amp potential from the coils. They are 3 amp coils so the system should output about 5 amps after losses. It runs 13.5 output to the battery now.
Another way to hook it up full wave if your coils are grounded is to put the two coil wires together and run them to one of the recitifier inputs, then ground the other recitifier input. This however has drawbacks as then the dc side cannot share common grounds with the ac side and in my case would certainly not work with an electric starter that uses DC since it is grounded to the case. If you are just using it to charge a battery and run lights you could do this and just run separate ground wires to every light and it would work. But again the “correct” way to do it float the grounds of the coils. Source: 4 hours of reading on motorcycle electric conversion forums and trial and error on my own bike. Thanks again for getting me started in the right direction!
shockburn WOW! Thank you so much for explaining this to me! I will double check my coils when I get the machine out storage. This has been a 2 year project bc as soon as i decided to commit funds and time...WE DON’T GET SNOW! 🤬
Hello thanks for the video, very helpful. Can you post another link of the voltage regular? The one in the description expired or moved.
Also, I am looking to do exactly what you are doing to my predator 420cc, electric start and LED’s. Can you provide a wiring diagram of how wired yours? Btw i bought a used manco intruder ll
Thanks for the view and comment! Cool Project you got yourself there! I keep updating the link and it keeps getting moved around. Just Type the voltage regulator into the search bar via ebay or amazon. Match the pics up and SEND IT! The voltage regulator comes with paperwork on how to wire it. LEDS get hooked battery and wire in a switch. Starter just need to run power to the battery from the solenoid. Motor alreay has the key wired to solenoid! Are you uploading the build to your channel?
Pattay's Performance Thank you!!!
Pattay's Performance i do plan on uploading videos, i think it will help other newbies feel more comfortable with go karts. Ill send you links as i progress.
Hello Pattay's I'm playing with a 420 Mini Chopper and would love the links but I dont see the Description
Jimmy C and Friends,
Hey Jimmy! I just got to work, will get you links! Just an FYI this set up didn’t put out enough power for what I wanted it to do. I ended up swapping in a set of GEN SET coils. That I posted in a later video.
@@pattayperformance Thanks I'll look for the Video
Jimmy C and Friends, just updated the link for the voltage regulator
@@pattayperformance Thanks
Did you connect the 2 coil wires together or do they stay separate
thank you in advance
Connect them together. Later down the line I swapped them off Coils off a Honda Generator and they put out more amps/power for what I needed.
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Can I see how u ran wiring
Are you on Instagram?
@@pattayperformance no
What is the black rectangle box on the side? My old one has it but the one I just got doesn't.
Are you referring to big plastic one? That’s an EVAP canister for emissions
@@pattayperformance Gotcha! Are you able to take it off and still run it? My brackets broke and it's just hanging.
@@Rick-kp6wf yes just RUclips charcoal canister delete for the motor
The specs on the voltage regulator says 0 to 4 amps. But with both charging coils it 6 amps together. Is it still okay to use that voltage regulator even though it’s says 0 to 4 amps? Also do you mean voltage regulator or voltage rectifier?
Cameron Luster,
I actually never installed a second coil. I upgraded to a genset coil system that will put out 10amps. I have yet to install it but based on numbers it won’t work. People on the forums who are using 1 coil say the amp outage is lower than what it is rated for.
I’m sorry I can’t accurately answer your question.
Your videos inspired me to put this 420CC Predator on my otherwise virtually NEW Toro 928 Blower and now it is a beast. I even managed to get the Hemi version! Thank you for the inspiration!!! I had it up and running in just a couple of hours but then I realized that I needed to figure out how to connect my heated grips. When I was researching these motors I was lead to believe that this motor had a complete charging and starting system built in. But then after seeing your video about 'doubling the output voltage' I am a little confused. The user manual that came with the motor shows how to connect a 12V battery but now I am not sure if that battery will be charged while the motor is running (?). So here are my questions, and I would be so grateful if you could share you experience just a little longer:
1). If I connect a small 12V battery (per the instructions that came with the motor) will it charge with the system as is?
2). If I do/or don't choose to add the starting battery is there a way that I can simply connect my Toro builtin hand-warmers and the small LED light to operate while the motor is running (as it did with the stock motor?). If I can get this figured out it will truly be a complete success! Thanks for all of your great videos! (sorry this got so long winded :)
BASTARD! your gonna finish yours before I finish mine! Better POST VIDS FOR ME!
So the motor does have a complete charging system! Even after adding a second coil it will not have enough power to charge the battery while running the OEM Light and heated hand grips. The only reason why this is an issue for me is b/c I do use the machine for snow removal. I ordered Honda Chargring coils from a get set THEY WEREN'T CHEAP! Are you running a battery or no? If not just follow the charging coil wire to the rectifier and use the wire from the rectifier out and hook it up to the heated hand grips.
if you plan on using the battery, hook it up to the battery direct.
@@pattayperformance: Thanks for getting right back to me! Eat your heart out pal... It so pretty and and soooooo powerful! It can blow more snow at an idle than the original 928 265CC motor did at full throttle! Very exciting stuff :) I love it. If I can just have a modest LED light (like it originally came with) along with the built in hand warmers I'll be thrilled. Its easy enough to start with the pull cord so a battery is not really necessary. After all... are we not men? Hell yes we are! Only real men add mega horsepower to their otherwise perfectly good, brand-spanking new snowblower! My wife said, "Why do we need a bigger motor?" I said, "Because it's bigger!' :)
So tell me this (if you can) which wire can I spice into to get the 12Vs I need for my LED and built in hand-warmers? I was expecting a wire with a connector to be hang there all ready to connect to but it looks like the little harness is all bundled up so I have no idea where to spice into. Do you happen to know exactly which wire (color) that I can cut into?
Thanks again for the inspiration. This is all your fault.
THANKS FOR THE MOTIVATION!!! CHECK ON MY INSTAGRAM FOR THE TEASER VIDEO :)
@@pattayperformance : oops, no Instagram for me. I've got to drag you into this again just to see if my hopes are realistic, then I'll move along: I thought of you this morning when I was blowing 11 inches of WET nasty snow 35 feet in 3d gear like it was pillow feathers on my newly powered snow machine! This was at 60% throttle. I couldn't help but think that the Pattay's Performance dude should be here to see this! I will be making a video and would like you to show some of the details involved in adding the 420 CC Hemi Predator to the Toro machine. It was VERY easy by the way and exceeded my hopes. Also, and I can't emphasize this enough: The new Joystick controlled chute on these Toro machines is a real game changer! It is so fast, versatile and cleverly designed I can't imaging being without it, and have been doing this for decades because I am really freaking old and oly wish that someone would have developed this ages ago. Its just that good.
You'll see it all when I finish this up and get a video posted in the days to come. In the mean time here's my question: I decided to go ahead and add a starting battery to my new rig. I know that I can add the additional charging coil thanks to your explanation but how much juice will this really give me? My goal now is to be able to charge my battery, run my 18 Watt Led headlight and also run my built in Toro handle grip warmers. Is this realistic with 2 of those charging coils and that little voltage regulator? Please let me know if you can. Thanks again.
Dan Jackson,
For my application it won’t work. But if you want, GET ON INSTAGRAM and message me your mailing address. I can send you another coil to add.
We are suppose to get snow Saturday...not much but they are predicting 6” at some point this week! Be prepared for hours and hours of snow blowing footage if it really happens!
Do you have the Powermax?
Awesome, can’t wait to start. Source of parts?
In the description! Let me know if you need more help! Also I ditched these coils and went with genset coils for more power!
He said it. In description
while you may have doubled your amps....which is doubtful....just how much of an electrical output do you now have? I saw no electrical testing equipment to make any such determination.
Will this do the same for the non hemi Predator engine as well?
Will this be enough amperage to power all the lights and horn and electric starter for a street legal mini bike?
John Tingle,
Thanks for comment, using common sense while viewing the video shows that engine is BNIB with no gas as well as oil. Later down the line when I finally installed it on the snowblower after some retrofitting and fab work it was 5-6amps which was not enough to successfully charge the battery while operating the NON Led Light and the heated hand grips. Later on again on my channel I documented that issue and also showed that I upgraded to Honda Genset coils that cost ALOT more money and put me at 10-12 amps which is more than enough.
This will work on a non Hemi Engine as well...these will power an led light or two while charging the battery. If your trying to do more on a go kart. I would just add an alternator. Being on a snowblower it’s pretty obvious why I couldn’t go that route.
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nice video,how much amps produse this engines?
Red Shadow not enough for my application...I released another video where i swapped these out for a set of Honda Gen Set Coil $$$
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Nice vid. Change you ebay link for the coil. The price is jacked up to $38.00. Ebay has them for $8
These coils are junk and not what I needed. If you look further down the build. I swapped out the OEM/cheap aftermarket coils to Gen Set Coils.
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I will edit the link...no way I’m hell someone should spend that much!
@@pattayperformance How many amps did you get with the junk coils. I'm hoping for oem light, possibly heated hand grips, maybe a battery.
@@StephenCunningham1 I don’t recall but it wasn’t enough to run my light, heated hand grips and CHARGE the battery that I added to start the snowblower.
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Add another coil and regulator rectifier. Yeah, knew that. Thought a 7 min video would show how You wired it.
Wiring is in another video if you can’t follow instructions that come with the rectifier.
I also ended up ditching these coils and went with a GENSET coils bc they put out enough amps to charge my battery while running my light and heated hand grips on my snowblower 🤙🏻🦅🇺🇸🔧
@@camaroboy811
Link will be in the descripition of this video...if it doesn't work let me know
@@camaroboy811 correct should be about $80-$90 not a cheap upgrade but this project isn’t cheap 😂
Damn good 👍
Thank you! I ended up switching them out for Honda Genset coils! Video is still relevant! 🔧🤙🏻🦅🇺🇸
Hey, recently joined ur channel bc I saw ur green lawnboy snowblower for sell on marketplace. Great video. Please invest into a camera holder. Would love to see the final result. Thx
Michael Alishayev, thanks!
Hard to work and film at the same time! Will try harder!
@@pattayperformance seriously dude, have all your materials ready before you record. Makes viewers less sick. Otherwise, thanks for the hack/trick.
MrNifong thanks for the view and comment! This was in the infantry of my channel. Please check out my other videos and let me know what you think! Thanks for view and comment. Hopefully you subscribed to my channel!
buy a tripod for your phone
Switched it up from a phone to GoPro and pod. Thanks for the view and comment. Hopefully you subscribed to my channel
Thanks for the info on how to double the amp output on the predator 420. I have a Duramax 420 cc 16 HP electric start. Please tell me where you purchased the coil and regulator . Thanks and God bless.
Thanks for the view and comment! I posted Links in the description! Hopefully you liked the video and subscribed! What are you putting the engine on?