DOES OUR FORD F-450 SUCK AS BAD AS OUR RAM 3500 DID?
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Some people lost their minds when we traded in our RAM 3500 for a brand new Ford F-450. So we thought it only fair to assure everyone that, just like we hated things about our RAM truck, there are a few things we hate about our F-450 as well.
Although, if we had to pick between the two, we would definitely pick the Ford F-450 every time. Obviously.
Hope you all enjoy the video! 
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As a driver I couldn’t help but notice your strap flap in the cut of showing the shaking. That flap can stretch the strap and relieve desired pressure on whatever is being held down as well as possibly smack into the cargo leaving marks or dents. Put a single twist on either side of your cargo where it catches wind. It will eliminate the flapping and won’t degrade the amount of restraint. Keep ‘em rollin brotha! Love Lite Brite Nation!
I saw the same thing 👍
If you see truck drivers doing something....there's normally a good reason for it.
Thank you. This was going to be my comment!!
@@mikeharlow2908 And This ^^ was going to be my comment!
First thing I noticed and made me cringe. I couldn't hear or see any shimmy, just that strap blowing like Old Glory in the wind
Big Truck Big RV swears by those centramatic balances on his f450.
We switched all of our one tons over to Michelin tires. We took the suggestion of a few professional drivers and it made all the difference in the world.
We did the same but with continental tires. Man they ride nice.
I've had nothing but issues with those tires. Get the hybrids.
I switched to continental A/T tires on my suburban 2 years ago. ( From bridgestone REVO A/T 275 65 R16)
Put michelin all season, on my passenger car though (225 60 R16 Buick lacrosse)
@@jvick953 with continental? Hmmm...im surprised. I did the carli suspension upgrade though so i have perfect tire wear. Carli ball joints, steering stabilizer, track bar. Skyjacker black max shocks, allignment. I used to get chopping, inner wear, outer...you name it! After i did that upgrade? No more irregular tire wear whatsoever. $1,740 for the kit, shocks separate.
I was a trucker and my rig would have the feathering on my drive tires and that is due to improper load weight distribution
That’s definitely possible from one or two loads, but how bad the steer tires are makes us think there may be something else going on up front.
@@LiteBrite possible alignment or steering knuckle issue
@@LiteBrite load distribution does effect steer tires too, I was having this issue with my F550 until I put a large bumper and winch on the front
I ran F350 and F450's as tow trucks, and they all ate steer axle tires. The only way to get mileage on steer tires is to get the truck aligned with the same tire loads encountered in the majority of your driving. In my case, a 3500 lb counter weight was pickup up by the winch, and the truck set to the alignment shop with new tires.
Depending on the amount of tread depth you have remaining, some truck tire shops will grind the tread to remove the "feathering" you're experiencing.
One of the only reasonable problems need more weight on the front with heavier loads as the front starts to lift, but vibrations can be a lot of things on a solid axle truck
I run an 18 wheeler for a living (15 years). Take my word go Michelin. I've ran a lot of other tire brands. Michelin don't track or catch the groves as bad. Most of the other brands I've ran have all feathered and grabbed the groves bad in the road. I swear by Michelin. They're expensive but worth every penny. Also a good grade breaking technique is go down the grade 10mph slower than you climbed it. The lower the gear the more engine braking you have. Sorry about the long comment but hope it helps.
Same here, the continental tires that came on the truck developed choppy tread wear quickly. Switched steers and drives to Michelin's and the issue went away.
As a truck tech, I've talked to many a tire rep. Goodyear, Bridgestone, Continental, etc. All of them agree that Michelin makes the best truck tire. But the caveat of that is you'll pay dearly for them.
I agree drove portable parking lot for almost 20 years Freightliner high side Cottrell.Talk
my boss into putting them on my truck because it seemed to eat the other tires or they would feather or be choppy. Not going to stretch it and say that they cured all the problems but maybe 70 75% of it the rest of it could go to drivers not maintaining proper air in their tires especially on the inside tires then there's running over objects that are left on the side of the road or the parking lot where you pick up cars.So it wasn't long before he had an account with Michelin and the majority of the trucks had missions on them.
@@justinnoble2497 After the first set of tires wore out on my 08 Dodge Ram 2500 QC, I installed Michelins which I'm still running. I just turned 73,500 miles.
@@Harry-zz2oh they really have the best tires for just about everything. I just wish they made a true mud terrain tire. That would probably be pretty awesome.
Been running the centramatics for 5 years, huge improvement in ride and tire wear. I've let tire shops do the initial balancing and then leave the weights for the rest of the life of the tires and this works fine.
Also, there is a little black plastic piece in your oem toolkit under the back left seat that is angled with a rectangular tang on one side. Snap that onto one of the jack extensions and the rectangular tang goes under one of the rectangular reliefs 180 degrees from one another on the rear hubcaps. When you straighten the handle it will take the hubcaps off in 1 second, zero fuss.
I actually like the fuel cap compared to the cap less ram design
Ford makes a lockable cap. As fuel cost increases so does the risk of fuel theft. You also have protection from someone maliciously putting something in the tank.
Been in the tire industry for over 20 years. The "floating" feeling you're getting is called tread squirm. The tread contact patch on the road (especially unloaded) is very small thus increasing the load on each individual lug. So the lugs actually bend side to side easily. To prove my theory, temporarily lower your pressure to say 35 PSI in the rear and 50 PSI in the front. You will notice as the contact patch grows, the squirm diminishes. OBVIOUSLY do not continue to run them with that low PSI normally, just long enough to test. In my experience, about the only way to reduce or eliminate the squirm is to go to a rib style highway tire. Good luck
if he is going to drop the pressure on those tires. He NEEDS to check the tire manufactures inflation chart. I dont think the 19.5 should be lower than 80psi empty, any less is going to heat up sidewalls too much. He needs to check the weight of each wheel and set accordingly. The feathering on the rear axle is from the torque load of the diesel and the 4.30 axle. Starting torque is insane 20,859lbft(1050lbft x 4.62:1 1st gear x 4.30:1 axle). Poor Ram is tiny comparably, at 16,528lbft(1075lbft x 3.75:1 x 4.10:1 axle)
@@jnk26 the cummins is far superior to the over complicated ford design sorry to burst your bubble !
@@andrewslagle1974 believe what you want to believe. Your opinion doesn't change anything. I didn't say anything about which design was better. I was talking about the math(torque manipulation) through gearing. If the Cummins was so superior why did it take 30 years of sales(1989-2019) to match the 7.3 sales(1994.5-2003) of 2 million engines. Between the 7.3 and t444e(International version) there were 2,750,000 engines built over 10 years. I dont think the every sale over that time period were stupid people. By Sept 2013 there were more than 500,000 6.7l Powerstrokes sold. So given the same trend there should be almost 1.5 million in 2021(low estimate because two years of the pandemic). Ford sells +200k super duties each year. That's nearly half of all of rams total sales(class 1-5). Like I said if Cummins was so superior why is it way off the sales mark. Every Cummins I have driven, has failed to impress me. I have driven many 5.9s, 6.7s(both commercial and in pickups) ISL9(transit buses), L10s(trucks and transit bus), N14(decent motor in a truck), ISM/M11(trucks and highway coaches), ISX12/15, 2020 X15(economy, performance, and productivity series). Only 2 out of about 40 motors impressed me. I chose a 2019 and 2020 Powerstroke over Cummins and Duramax(TWICE). If the current 420hp/1075lbft spec was with a wider ratio trans(9 spd) it may have a chance. But it will still be slower that the Ford(475hp@2600rpm=959.6lbft vs 420hp@2800rpm=787lbft) it will always be slower. Torque rise is nice(difference in torque at peak hp rating vs at peak torque rating)787lbft@2800 rising to 1075lbft@1800(288lbft) vs Fords 959.6lbft@2600 rising to 1050lbft@1600(91lbft) the Ford always has more torque(capabilty)above 1800rpm. Torque is what is doing the work. It starts earlier in the rpm band and carries more torque over more rpm. The 172lbft difference is substantial, especially when it's 200rpm sooner in the rpm band. Then add the smaller transmission steps(10 vs 6) and the difference gets worse for the Cummins again. But you opinion is your opinion and your can believe whatever you want.
@@jnk26 they sold so many power strokes because it takes three to run the same miles as a cummins that’s easy to see
@@heidilear7222 hahaha believe what ever you want. Keep your "100,000 mile trucks with million mile motors" line up. Its not un common to see a t444e go a lot farther than a 5.9 cummins did in a fleet situation. But again average Joe doesn't have a fucking clue about maintaining a commercial vehicle. Thats why so many "hotshot" guys fail, or have serious "issues" with their trucks. Funny how the Cummins guys make irrelevant comments about a tire pressure comment. Reading comprehension is weak in not a strong point. If you really want to get into it I was just stating a math fact(torque manipulation) because he had both trucks.
Ford Dually Rear Cap Removal - piece of chain about 14-16" long, attach a 'S' hook on each end. Easy to make, store in truck, takes up little room, there when you need it most.
VERY GLAD to see you back on Brittany. We're here for 'ya !!!!
To help smooth out the feathering, mark the rotation of the tires and then make sure you're rotating the tread direction when rotating tires. You may have to rotate more often and rotate in an unusual pattern but it'll help straighten turn out.
To get rid of the governor you would need to get the ecm programmed or tuned! you can do so by contacting companies like bullydog, edge, blackbear. Warning though, having the truck reprogrammed would void factory warranty but you can save the factory tune in the programmer and return it to stock before taking the truck to the dealer.
Mechanical engineer and machinist of over 43 years-I have a 2017 F-450 Platinum with 60,000 miles on it. I have also had seven other super duty diesels. Stop playing with the factory tires and trying to balance them. Spend the money and get Michelin XDS2 and buy a set of Centramatic balancing rings. My Michelins have 50,000 miles on them and have rotated them once. If you insist on keeping the factory tires, you will need to have them trued as they are not round. No amount of road force balancing can fix that and it will continue. Note: just as I posted this, you entered the Centramatic rings. 🙄. I painted mine black
In the Ford tire changing kit is an attachment to remove the center cap. It works well and does not damage the center cap. Check the owners manual, its a small plastic end cap that fits onto one of the jack extension rods.
You should take the weights off of wheels. Been installing centrimatics for years. The weights on the wheels my counter the rings and still cause a slight vibration. Love your vids keep up the good work. If you don’t need the traction from the tires for off road or bad weather you can go to a 5 rib tire and get longer life and smoother ride.
What’s up Kev!?! I put Centramatics on my FJ Cruiser almost 10 years ago and love them. Keep the wheel weights on your tires. If/when you lose a wheel weight, the Centramatics will compensate for the loss automatically. They also compensate automatically for rocks and gravel that get picked up by the gaps in tire treads with street, all terrain, and mud tires. You can’t go wrong with automatic wheel balancing. I’ll bet you the Step Child would benefit from a set of Centramatics too.
After the installation of the centramatic you may still be having the slight vibration because of the feathering on the tires. Most of us drivers would put these on when we get brand new tires
Everything you mentioned as little issues besides the vibration from wheels i agree with you guys. Same little things are little issues on my 2019 f350 dully. The fan really is loud especially when sitting in a parking lot doing a exhaust regeneration. Lol
As a trucker, I was just grinning through the whole video. As for the Centramatics, funny that about a month ago on a TJ forum I am on, those came up for discussion. I'll be running those when can put aside the funds for them.
The first rotation of the tires is most critical. Generally to smooth out feathering you need to have them on a drive axle. 4 wheel thrust alignment would also help prevent feathering. There is a reason why most big trucks use a straight rib tire on the steer axles.
Thanks so much for sharing your opinions!! Much love and respect ♥️♥️💯🤙
I have a Ram3500 DRW with the same shake issue you used to have. Installed Sulastic spring shackles in the rear and it madea ton of difference. Reduced vibration by 90+% and virtually eliminated hard impact shock from expansion joints and hard bumps in road. Rides closer to a half ton truck now. I also reduce rear tire pressure to 38psi when empty. (Refer to tire mfg psi load chart for guidance) Lite Brite is awesome!!
Great video! Your real world research and feedback is priceless, I would not be surprised if a Ford engineer is quietly watching your content and taking notes.
Or quietly watching our content and hating us. Lol 😅
I have a 2021 Ram 3500 Limited Mega Cab HO. I absolutely love it. The Aisin has been refined about 20% in 2021 but it’s not going to shift as smooth as your 10 speed. I’m glad the F450 is taking care of you. It’s hard to go wrong with any of the big 3 IMO. Great video.
Does your Ram make a loud differential noise when you shift from park to drive?
@@jobanirubio5683 no sir.
I have a RAM 3500 Limited Mega cab HO, I hate the truck. I am dumping it this week. I’ll never go back to RAM
@@nathaniellyon4855 to each is own. Good luck with whatever truck you get.
Honest people honest reviews y'all Rock. It's hard to find honest reviews most and yes I did say most reviews are with padded pockets. I know from personal experience where I have been asked to do reviews myself with a very substantial incentive. I would not do it then and I never will and it seems y'all are really good down the Earth on his folks. We love the content y'all bring great personalities and congrats on the new house. My daughter and I wish y'all well in y'all's careers. Happy Wheeling
I personally love the sound of the engine cooling fan (2008) F450.
Fuel mileage sucks on my 6.4 but you should be getting better mileage with your 6.7 Diesel
Went through the same thing with my dully. The solution for me was to have the tires ground force balanced. Two were so far out of balance, the tire manufacture declared them defective. For example, a tire will balance fine with a regular balancer, but under ground force balancing it may be far out of balance. When it comes to heavy rated tires (D or heaver), I insist on ground force balancing as it will detect a tire's side wall stiffness inconsistency and compensate for that as well. I too used centramatics before the ground force balancing, it helped a lot, but still had vibration. After ground force balancing I no longer needed the centramatics and the truck rode smooth as silk down the highway. Also lower rear tire pressure when not loaded as it will help with ride quality and tire life.
Supposedly, Michelin has the best concentricity, as well as uniformity of tire stiffness around its circumference.
I also had the Toyo 920 245/70/19.5's road force balanced and installed Balance Masters (like the Centramatics) and the vibration level is maybe 90% perfect.
I think the feathering is caused by the tires themselves. Oh, and there is a reason nobody puts those rear wheel caps back on :P Great to see a long term update.
Yes, tire scuffing is made by tire design. side rubber pads should be almost tied to one another.
Another fantabolous video love it, new information every time 🤘
Michelin XDS2 tires + Kelderman dual steering stabilizer + Bilstein 5100’s + Centramatics = glass smooth ride and no wondering once the tires firm up.
Continental makes some good car tires but truck tires i have not had good luck. I had a lighter type on my truck and they shook. had them replaced still shook. Put a set of Michelins on it and its glass smooth.
Get rid of those Continental tires and go with Michelin or Good Year.. problem solved. I've never had any luck with Continentals...
I would recommend using a torque wrench on those wheel nuts, they need to be properly torqued not with a battery impact.
I agree. I hate when people just drive the impact wrench on them and call it a day.
They were torqued down. Just didn’t need to bore anyone with a torque wrench video.
@@LiteBrite Y’all not being noobs to this stuff, 99.9% of us automatically assumed that's why it wasn't shown... 😑
@Jonathan Tripp that’s cool 😎. Now if y’all had a impact with adjustable torque settings then you would not need to do it my hand. Milwaukee
Nah run it on with the impact
He about that floating feeling, I had the same on my diesel, I lowered the tire pressure a bit and it seemed to help. Also had to deal with the grooves in the road and I think the max psi in my tires was causing it to not allow the rubber to flex at all. Not sure if it’s the same problem your having but if you can lower the psi a bit and still keep it within reason for towing it could help. Worth a shot.
Kev, for removing the rear hub caps, carry a small ratchet strap. The cheap 1” ones. Twist the hooks slightly. Put the strap in the opposing holes and use the jack handle across the face of the tire with the strap over it. Ratchet the the cap off. My description is shit, but there’s videos on here. It’ll save your sanity when changing a flat in the middle of the night.
I keep a T-Handle spring puller with me and that has always worked. Great idea with the straps.
My F450-550s were always service rigs with the ugly steel rims, never had center caps to worry about…although I did start running emulators towards the end to add a little flair! Lmao
I am glad that you are happy with the new truck. My experience has been the opposite of yours. Where I work we have two Ford heavy duty's and they ride awful and almost to the point that you need aspirin after riding in them. Now I have a Ram 3500 and a camping friend of mine has a Ram 2500 and they ride so much better than what we have at work. I believe some issue are caused by maintenance and the type of tires and rims being used or something out of alignment from the factory. I hope to see an update video of how the centramatics do over time with the already worn tires. LOVE your videos...
I have a 2008 Dodge Ram 2500 QC 4x4 which I bought new in 2008. I replaced the front suspension due to parts breaking. After I had the work done, Dodge came out with a recall. Install heavier duty front suspension if you carry heavy loads and it might take care of your problems.
I dont know if this guy knows how superfucking lucky he is...if i ask my wife how many wheels are on a 18th wheeler she would say 4 plus the spare tire...not kidding! This girl should be working for a dealer as a suspension specialist she will kick ass with all due respect! This video 👍👍👍 up!
I agree 👍
Interesting info and details. Love the honesty on this stuff! Very interesting!
Awesome video. I enjoyed the conversation of the Ram 3500 and the Ford F-450: it was like a fireside chat. You both were of like mines and new your history of each truck. As you were driving down the highway and having your conversation, I almost forgot the reason for the drive: test for vibration. Perhaps you can have more videos while driving and talking to the audience. Good job!
I don’t miss my dually at all, my RAM had the same vibration. Went from a Ram 3500 DRW to a F350 Tremor. I love the Ford. I am pulling a 42 foot 5th wheel and no big difference in capability. The Ford has a ton of power and handles the trailer quite well and I can take my truck off-road!
It’s been my experience, the feathering you are experiencing is due to the lug type design of the tire not a product of imbalance or misalignment. Have your tire sponsor hook you up with some different tires and I bet you’ll notice a great difference. That being said, I run the Centramatics on my Ram and it eliminated the annoying shake immediately.
Thanks!
@@LiteBrite totally agree with Travis. Continentals are known for feathering. We replaced ours with Cooper Roadmasters and no issues since on our F-450.
I have a Chevy 3500 with Duramax engine and Allison transmission . . . I love it! It sounds like a plane and pulls like a train!
Ford and electronics issues go hand in hand. My 00 Excursion was a beast mechanically, but I was having electronic issues everywhere. Many of which left me stranded on numerous occasions.. In traffic...
Your passing dilemma is every Big Rig CDL Driver’s nightmare. We drive with momentum not the gas pedal and in the open road you come up on an idiot zombie-driver doing 60 mph on a highway, so you go to pass ‘m and they speed up cause they wake up. 🙄 Every Big Rig is set at a limit so there’s no way to pass if the zombie-driver speeds up. 🤷🏻🤦🏻♂️👎🏽
Had this happen on my crawler hauler. The dude in the regular Lane almost got himself and an oncoming car killed when he sped up and I hit my limiter for the first time.
I delt with those zombie drivers too and tail wagers.
Legitimately, I’ve gained a lot of empathy for truck drivers (although I’ve always respected them) from our experiences hauling.
Great stuff guys! Love the turning radius on the 450 and of course the payload.
The turning radius is MINT!
@@LiteBrite Just picked up my 2022 F450 a couple weeks ago. It turns tighter than my F250! This was actually the main selling factor for me over the F350 as we live on a cul-de-sac and need to make a u-turn every time we pull the fiver. And by the way, the 2022 infotainment screen is huge.
Thanks for covering this. My future son in law drives a Chevy Dually and tows a 4 Jeep car carrier for our wheeling trips and has experienced the feathering tires front and rear and has had balance issues. I sent him this video and the screenshot of the mfg and parts used. This might be a solution for us. (And I'm tempted to get a set for my KMC beadlocks and 38" tires on my JLUR too)
When you look to replace your tires, look for tread pattern that does not have continuous grooves parallel with road/tire. Like an All-Terrain type tire where the tread blocks are a bit offset so those grooves a broken up a bit. I have had that groove track issue in the past. May not be possible in those giant tires. A change in the tread pattern made all the difference for me. That was not in a big heavy truck though.
My toyo 19.5’s on my ram feathered as well, we came to the conclusion that 19.5’s just suck.
Great videos Lite Brite. I have a few comments: Feathering on the drive tires, comes from running your tire pressure too high (unloaded) and driving too fast, when you are not towing, try dropping the pressures start at -10, then try -20 (assuming an 80psi cold max). The centramatics are good and have been used for 18 wheelers for millions of miles. If you continue to have troubles, try centering lugs and a shop that will spin balance/shave the tires while still on the truck. I use East Texas Truck Alignment in Marshall, TX to perform these services on all of my Tractor/trailers. As for the 88mph limit, my F-350 was limited about the same, I added an SCT livewire tuner and was able to eliminate the speed limiter.
19.5s run at 105 or 110 psi cold for max load rating
The new wheel weights is one thing for the F-450 is what I would have suggested. That was a very smart move. The next thing I would suggest if you haven’t done it already is to reach out to Big Truck Big RV, he has an F-450 and would be able to give you some great information about the truck and some helpful hints on the truck and your tire problem. He had the same problems with his F-450. As far as the Ram with the Aisin transmission is pretty much know to be hard shifting like your talking about but, more so when not towing. Big Truck Big RV (BTBRV) put on a different tire I believe but, I don’t remember what tire he went with.
Everything you are saying about road manor and tracking is directly on par with what I’ve been dealing with with my 2019 f-250 service truck. It does weigh 10,000 lbs loaded down… but some days, if I hit the slightest bump going around a turn on the Highway, it will literally send me into the other lane in the direction I’m turning. Also, had to install a steering stabilizer at 3000 miles to cure death wobble. Transfer case went out at 40,000. And replaced 2 AC compressors. I’m at 50,000 miles currently.
Kevin due to the fact that 90% of the trucks mileage is Hwy & loaded you need to check your trailer alignment. If your trailer is out of alignment with the hitching device then it causes a pull to one side and will cause the rear tires to feather as they are. If you look at both sides are they both feathering the same way or opposite?
At your next alignment, talk to them about adjusting your caster based on being loaded down the way you routinely run. If they set it correctly when you're empty, it'll be off when you're loaded and slightly squatted. The more the back squats when loaded, the more difference you'll get in the final caster.
I agree that you should do your alignment with the vehicle loaded like you travel the most, but squatting the rear will increase caster which is acceptable. Caster doesn't cause tire wear, incorrect caster can cause a pull, but not wear.
I put a set of Centramatic balancers on my class A motorhome last year. It has the same 19.5" wheels and similar chassis. It's the Ford F53.
It made a big difference in reducing vibration.
Was a auto tech at a dealer for 35 years, always,always torque lug nut. Nuts and bolts and studs are engineered for a certain stretch, clamping force,etc and if under tightened the wheels could work loose or if the nuts are over tightened and you have to change them on the side of the road you will be happy you torqued them. The center pumpkin of the rear axle was not designed to support the weight of the truck, should always lift near the spring perch and ALWAYS put jack stand before you take the wheels off. I have seen those jacks give out. Be thankful your center cap is on so tight. We have a older f350 and had the factory chrome hub cap and on a camping trip a couple hours from the house we noticed the passenger side was gone, purchased a new one (they are getting rare) , then on another camping trip the driver side was gone, now I just leave them off.
I WOULD CHECK... Rear axle alignment, yes the whole axle can be skewed during assembly from factory.
After that, align fronts again.
Wheel weights should be left ON their original balanced wheels, or consider swapping tires to other wheels and re-balance.
I agree on balancing them even with balancers installed.
It's the continental tires...they are s..t!! My 2020 F350 had them and they literally started the same thing at roughly 15k miles and were DONE at approximately 25k miles and I put some higher end tires on and the vibration was gone.
F350's don't have 19.5 and continental HD's on them.
@@marlboroman71818 correct...but they do run the same model continental tires.
@@rpneff936 I'm sorry but I have to disagree with that statement. The tires on the F450 are a higher load rated continental tire. The F350 came with Michelin tires. The same as my 2021...
I TOTALLY agree about Continental tires. I drive/live in a service truck for a living. All being F350 or Chevy 3500HD’s. Both had Michelin from the factory and were glass smooth. When they finally wore out the company put the Continental’s on them as replacements. Those tires were absolute garbage from mile one. Shaking, vibrating, cupping, and feathering all common with them even when brand new. General Grabbers are just as bad if not worse. Spend the money on the Michelin’s and don’t look back!!!
@@paulsheldon8032 you're saying they put the 19.5 continentals on your 17" wheels or they swapped wheels and tires?
I had a 17 Ram 3500 6.7 HO 4x4 and Loved it. I didn't have any of those problems you talked about with yours. I did have a abs computer fail at about 20k. I sold it last summer because I was able to get all my money back and then some with theses crazy used car prices and I really am at a point where I didn't need it as much as I did before. I heard those vibrating seats are the bomb in the Fords. Hopefully Ford has got a grip on there fuel systems and other nightmares they had in the past. They all have there issues to some degree. I have always want to try those balance disks. Keep us posted on the long term usage after the tires are replaced or shaved/trued up.
I dumped the 19.5's and mine is awesome now. I'm running real Alcoas now, not the OEM knock-offs. 295/55R22 Ridge Grapplers are excellent. Load capacity is still over 1000lbs in excess of the front axle weight rating and over 4000lbs in excess of the rear axle weight rating.
I used American Force adapters machined for industry standard 220mm pilot bore with Alcoa 22.5 x 8.25 wheels machined for an LT tire. I took the bevel out of the floor of the 10x225 holes in the adapters with a counterbore and reversed the OEM studs so they would not interfere with the Alcoas. Stock lugnuts are installed on inside of OEM adapter flange at OEM torque spec.
Secondly, I removed the OEM upper overload leaves and blocks, repinned the packs and installed 3/4" x 12.5" long Ubolts. I then used the Readylift bag setup that uses 4 tapered, rolling sleeve bags that ride like a dream.
I have the same truck. Been there. Right now I have those stock tires/wheels sitting on a pallet in my barn. If you drove my truck 1 mile you would be a believer. Only downside is that the duals stick out. No way around that. Not the look I would choose, but the look is fine.
Good luck.
If you are ever in Salt Lake City give alignment specialists a call, have them do the alignment and literally work their magic on the truck. We take all our work truck to them and they do wonders with them. The factory tires feather bad we usually rotate them every 5 to 10k miles to keep them from feathering, depending on what kind of truck it was on. A lot of towing or heavy weight, it's every 5k we have had some good luck with Toyo. My Ford does that on the seat memory as well.
JD from RUclips channel Big Truck Big RV put the balance rings on his F450 and found them to solve his balance issues very well.
JD is the guy Kevin needs to hit up with any truck issue. He is a wealth of knowledge.
I freaking love this channel. I cant stop watching ur videos. 🙏🏻👍🏻
I have an F250 and my fan also sounds like taking off then it goes away. Also, I can't drive it when it gets zero or below because the fuel line slugs up and stops the truck, and yes I put plenty of treatment in the diesel tank and it still will jell up so I just don't drive it if it is getting near zero. Been stalled four times and twice Ford has come to the rescue and they change the filter (the one under the driver's seat location, under the truck). Still love my Ford!
This has to be one of the most well balanced videos…… 😉 The good, the bad, and the good…
On my Pete, I used to put about 16-20 oz. antifreeze in the tires and that pretty much took care of balancing, all the time. 2002 I tried the rings that had something like mercury in them( I know, bad for envirement). I did antifreeze for maybe 25 years and it works, tires run cooler plus the balancing effect. Most old timer tire men use this and it does work.
I took of some tires and wondered what the green shit someone put in there was. Now I know, thanks.
Many farmers are now using beet juice instead of other stuff. It doesn't cause any harm if it leaks out and it works just like antifreeze.
I came across this vid and had to chime in. I had a ram 3500 limited dually mega cab for towing a 43” fifth wheel and for the most part, I love the truck! Extremely comfortable driving long trips. It towed effortlessly. I did have the reverberation noise in which dealership/Fiat could not fix but was offered a 4 year extended warranty for free. The vibrations in the ram was a pain in the butt but overall, I love that truck. Two days ago, I picked up a used Ford F-450 limited and this truck is a beast! Haven’t taken the fifth wheel out yet so the verdict is still out on whether it tows as good or if not better than my old ram.
I had a 2015 ltz chevy dually. It was the most consistent and evenly wearing tire machine I have ever owned. All 6 tires wore evenly till replacement. It's was amazing!
I've had my 450 for a year and and a half. The first thing I did was buy 6 alcoa's , toyo m655 tires and 10 oz of balancing beads for each tire. The stock tires and wheels sold the first day on craigslist. Now I can rotate front to back at every oil change. If I know I'll be empty I put 80 in the front and 65 in the back.
John
So would a 2022 Limited F-450 not come with 6 aluminum wheels that can be rotated in any spot? I’m picking up my new one in two weeks.
Where did you buy the 6 alcoa's and toyo m655 tires? How much did you get for your stock tires and wheels? Thank you
I LOVE THE HONESTY ABOUT THESE TRUCKS. YOU GUYS ROCK!
People who say i love your honesty are people who are fans of a certain brand the video is about. Well i hate their bias lmao.
I hope you both go to SEMA and can't wait to see you live. Happy Trails to you both!
Brutally honest couple,gotta love em both!❤💯
IThe feathering of the rear wheels is due to the vehicle swaying while running down the road. Load distribution is critical.
Agree 100%! Load/weight distribution when towing/hauling is an art and most people don't think about it.
Love your honesty, guys, really good review and for the price you should get more! That being said, getting an f450 means crossing into the commercial category and the rules change… when mechanicals get heavy, they tend to get less precise. If you’re experiencing odd tire wear you need a four wheel alignment. Thx for finding those wheel balancers! Great to know!
I don’t mind the fuel cap, it keeps the dirt out better (I’m in Canada) thx guys
Fuel caps on diesels, gas, I guess they don’t need them. I am old school, keep the crap out!
@@davehartsock9106 I prefer a cap to keep the crap out. Years back somebody decided to "borrow" some of my gas so I put a locking cap on to keep it from happening again. Now I don't worry about it so much. I live in the country on an acre of land with few punks running around. I don't want junk getting into my fuel tank so I'll keep the cap if it comes with one. My wife's Jeep did not come with one which is the way it was designed. One problem with that method is if the vehicle ever goes on its side, the fuel may flow out.
The F450 is not a true 450. It is still 14,000 GVWR.
When I got mine, it was out of alignment from the factory. I was spinning the rear tires on the wheels. I put some marks on the wheels and tires, and sure enough they were spinning. Ford replaced my Trac bar with an upgraded one, and that helped with the vague steering.
You guys are the best!!! Much love from Louisiana
I'm a Chevy guy myself so I'm not biased on either of the lesser brands. I can honestly say that Chrysler kept my towing company in business for years and years.
Cummins has kept me well paid for 26yrs
I agree with the speed limiter, my 3 month old 2021 F350 is limited also and there are jerk offs that will speed up as soon as you get nose to nose with them while passing and try to run you off the road or into oncoming traffic. has already happened to me 3 times. Also that floating feeling sounds like your caster is off and could explain the feathering. As far as the climate control, I despise the fact that it will cut the fan all the way down and compensate with lower vent temperature. I would much rather have more air blowing from the vent at a slightly higher vent temp. I wish the messaging seats would vibrate message instead of the roller feel. Another issue is 1st gear is so low it takes forever to pull away from a stop sign and then shift to second, if they would program the 10 speed to start off in second when no trailer is attached it would be much better. My last pet peeve is having to keep turning the engine braking on after the truck sitting for a couple hours. In short, if my 2014 Ram would have been able to swap a 10 speed Allison or they would have put it in this years Rams I would have purchased a Ram instead. That's the one area that Ram sucks is the 68rfe and the Aisin. My 2014 Ram dually has no driveline vibration issues, just blown transmissions and now a hole in #5 cylinder from a bad injector which was gonna be a $20,000 repair bill.
Makes me think getting away from the Cummins might be a good thing for me. I finally ordered a new Ford F350 but Ford won't tell me when it will show up. I wanted a SRW but the 2022 cut the load capacity which means I ended up with a DRW to provide the needed load. I haul a large truck camper and sometimes tow my Jeep 4x4 on a 16' utility trailer.
Hey guys! Raymond here in AZ. I have a built '06 F350 dually that's turned up and bulletproof and it has many of the same things going on. Those wheel spacer thingies are awesome! And the floating feeling I noticed got much better when I have the rear bags at 22.5 PSI and I switched to toyo open country A/T's. All that helped and if you can get a tuner for that, you can adjust the top speed.
Another good real review, I love that you guys made a list to capture everything.
I just rented a Ram 1500 and noticed the clunking over bumps in the road…. I actually pulled off and started looking for breaks in the suspension…. Good to know that is “normal”… lol
I have also rented many F150 and F250 platinum and regular and definitely find those to be better as far as features and comfort. The camera have a cool setup with the 360 but the quality definitely could be a lot better.
The massage on the platinum and king ranch is just phenomenal. I want one in my Jeep!
All Jeeps come with a massage function. Just take it off road and run over rocks, you'll notice the massager all the time. :D
I suggest leaving the wheel weights ON. The weights balance the wheels/tires. Why would you UNBALANCE the wheels in order to test whether or not the dampers can accommodate the added vibration caused by the increased imbalance. For the wandering, I've heard others say the 19.5 tires ride vaguely, both due to a harder rubber tread, and the higher, 100 psi tire pressure.
The Centramatics they put on are intended to balance the wheels and tires, the weights are not needed. I use these on a semi- truck, trust me they do work. With that said, if the wheels and tires are properly balanced, the Centramatics will help if you get mud or ice built up in the wheels.
@@richardbryant7165 Thanks for the reply. I understood that the beads move in response to vibration, in a direction which helps correct it. But it is a matter of degree. My view is why introduce MORE imbalance, perhaps more than the beads can accommodate?
@@gregparrott Centramatics are a type of balancer, not a dampener. Like I said, if the wheels and tires are balanced properly they will help for build up on the inside of wheels, which will knock the wheels out of balance. Moreover, I have seen many tire shops that struggle with getting heavy tires balanced, which is why these types of balancer was designed.
I think those tires handle 110 psi. Which is way over the amount of air he needs for that toy truck. I bet if he ran 65-70 his problem would be solved. And yes you can tow your jeep to the beach safely at those pressures.
Phillip, you nailed it. Full inflation pressures are silly when empty or lightly loaded.
Working in construction, I've been around a lot of trucks running 19.5s. The tires that Ford and ram put on them are junk. The best solution I've found was to go to a toyo, good year, or Michelin, but we also liked to step up to the 245 size. It's not much bigger, but seems to help with capacity.
I replaced my aluminum factory $$$$ rims with Vision aluminum rims and all the shaking and stupid stuff quit... was surprised both the improved ride, but also the factory rims are chinesium cast rims from factory.
I run 285 70 19.5’s on my F450 with custom steel wheels, they run great . The downside is all wheels are position specific. No lift required but I had to trim 1 inch of plastic off the mudflaps on the inside. I run Toyo medium truck M&S tires, I think they are 608s or similar, they work great in the snow in 2WD.
There has been some rear axles problems lately with the spring mounts ripping off the axle tube. There is a recall of sorts but inspect it closely. They reduced the tube thickness for some reason. That was great watching you get the caps off 🤣
living in the west, where its normally very dry i wouldnt worry about moisture sticking balance beads together, plus once they get moving they would break up. what makes the beads the most effective solution is the fact that the beads are as far to the outer circumference of the tire as possible.
You've got A LOT of FAITH in that Impact.
I always torque mine down after.
I was hoping he did that off camera.
@@bravotwozero8119 I was thinking that. Then I was thinking. There is No way this dude is "SLIDE HAMMERING" them Plastic caps off more then he had to.hahaha Nothing Butt Love Kevin. Stay safe!!
Definitely torqued them down after, just didn’t make it to final cut! 😅
Not a continental truck tire fan, great passenger car tire.
Fine on cars if not to much weight. Had continental on a magnum with a hemi and they feathered in front no matter what. Put michelin on and rides and drives and wears as expected.
A lot of factory tires are made by a company for that specific manufacturer and may be completely different on wear compared to the same tire you buy at a truck stop.
Had the same trouble on my F-350 and discovered that the Continental Contratrac tires were totally junk. Replaced them and never had the problem again! Now at 250K and quality tires since then!
I drive a 2016 Chevy Duramax 6.6L Diesel with the Allison transmission. I pull a 34' Gooseneck enclosed trailer with my 5700lb JKU total weight 12K. I've put 60,000 miles on it in 2 1/2 years. I was wondering why you haven't tried one. I also added air bags, and an additional camera for the bed. I love the set-up I have now.
The Ram Aisin transmission may have needed re-calibration if rough shifting was encountered. This was a common issue on trucks that were babied during the break-in period when the transmission was learning your driving style
The drive line vibration and transmission problems together sound like the service department at the dealership is lacking.
Cummins has their act together on the engine brake used on Ram trucks. There was an exodus of hotshots from Ram to Ford when Ford for 2020 or 2021 came out with 1050 lbs/ft of torque and more horse power. Most found that the Fords exhaust brake sucks and getting the truck moving is great, but getting it stopped is another story.
100% agree. Hands down Cummins engine brake is way better than both the Ford and GM.
As a hotshot driver who has put 100s of thousands of miles on Rams and Fords, I'll choose a Ram 100% hands down
Why
@@mannymotta2174 because I had 2 F350s breakdown on me. One of which was a 2019, it left me stranded on the side of an interstate where I was side swiped by a semi taking my mirror off, damn truck didn't even try to go into limp mode it just stopped. The other a 2018 just wouldn't start one day. They were both low mile new rentals thank god so I didn't have to deal with the issues. They are too complicated, over designed, have too many moving parts, all of which give them more reasons to breakdown. Switched to Ram and a couple hundred K later haven't had a single problem with anything, the HO with the aisin is just simple, beefy, and reliable! Plus they tow better for my environment where I usually haul in the north, pretty even going up hill but going back down the Ram exhaust brake is superior to ford.
@@manwithnoname734 good to know. Good luck and happy hauling!
@@mannymotta2174 plus ram gets way better fuel mileage
@@manwithnoname734 Everything about a Ram is superior to a Ford
I'm a big rig driver, tires always just seem to wear all dumb like that no matter what you do. And those grooves basically decide where we're driving
My F450 came with Continentals, too. They were terrible. Terrible on the road, would get the truck stuck in wet grass, wore like yours. Changed out to Kelly Armor steel. Night and day difference. Rides so nice, no odd wear patterns, good traction. Well worth the money
Watch for the notorious “death wobble” with the front end. This has been an issue with Fords F250-450 4x4’s since 2005 to 2021 models. Fords only solution is to replace steering damper shock. Well that does NOT solve the problem. I have had to replace my steering draglink and trac bar to solve issue for now.
90% of the time it is the track bar. I had the death wobble on my 2013 Dodge 3500 SRW.
I’m surprised you’ve kept the rear headrests in. Those were the first things I removed from mine so I can actually see out the back window.
Great video as always
1: Put a big ass bumper and winch on the front of the truck, the extra wight will help the feathering
2: the steering/floating over the tires, are going to be a tire thing, (wait for it, there's more) I've gone through 3 sets of tires (company wanted to try out different brands that stated they would last longer) all different brands in 2 months and after 1500 miles on each set I told them to give me back the original brand since I know they would seat right and not have that float feeling. But my situation will be different from y'alls due to weight differences just like it is for each guy we have running a truck here since we all have out trucks stocked up differently and weight different. My F550 weight is right at 17,580 lbs and my truck and feel prefer the Goodyear on this truck (never would put those on my personal truck but my personal truck is only a 2500 single rear and 8k lbs and only haul 8k lbs +/-)
2.5: floating steering/wheel feel over the tires could also be the start of the steering gear box, at 76k miles in the f550 we had to replace the steering gear box due to looseness, Sloppy steering and now it needs it again at 143k miles but the company is done putting money into the truck so it's going to the auction (sorry who ever buys that truck, it's been a nightmare)
3: great video, glad to see honesty and I would love for y'all to get a duramax and just see what y'all have been missing out on, like ya said no manufacturer is perfect, but my 2017 GMC sierra 2500hd is by far the most enjoyable, reliable, and strongest hauling truck I've had yet (again only hauling 8k lbs constantly but randomly do haul up to 18k and she does it with ease) can't wait for more content. Love everyone on the channel and glad Becky and chris are on the channel, definitely make a cute couple (waiting to hear the announcement that they are together lol)
For what it’s worth, I have a 2020 Ram 3500 and I couldn’t be happier with how smooth this thing rides. But it does have the Aisin and it also shifts weird and hard sometimes…
Bro all dodges trucks ride rough as shit... have you ever tried any other trucks?
F-450 is overrated in my opinion. Every hotshot driver I’ve ever met said Ram hands down was the more reliable and capable truck.
The governor at 85mph is nuts -- a nanny-feature that could kill you. Gotta be a workaround for that. Love y'all so much.
Ive got a 15 F150 and I agree with the camera thing for sure, daytime is okay but night time or any rain, forget it. Love the way it rides too, super comfy truck.