Pin me maybe(?) Umm apparently the sun disk feat they showed wasn't the high end. The high end sun disk feat is actually 120,000 quettatons and a full speed bardock is 34 trillion c. Its from a black box apparently so theres that.
Well the reason we say its a wank wasnt because they used the high end of thier calculations, it was because they wanked a feat that had multiple other variables and ignored them in order to get omni man way higher than he actually is
@@adielcohen4048 oh thats cool. I was under the impression that it was based on what was said on this video. Sun disk is pretty dumb I agree. Im looking at some speedy discord msg to see how he calced it.
@@franklinbalani5245 which is a lie cause it’s a wank. They called it a star level feat it’s not. It was a thin piece of metal or glass. It shattered. It wasn’t even vaporized The mass of that disk would be equal to a planet, the correct calcs would put it around planet level, Cause size has nothing to do with how hard it is to destroy, it’s all about the mass of an object, Aka a pane of glass the size of a building could be stomped on a few times and be fully destroyed
@@ProbablyGokuof course they wank Invincible characters Bardock would just automatically Blitz and kill omni man they didn't use that scaling so you might as well get to the point
They also forgot to include shit from the manga AND the Comic from invincible. They literally say he compares to Vegeta. They FORGOT to mention that the Planet Nolan Destroyed with help was DYING. Which is how they were able to have a chance at destroying it in the first place, not to mention? They would have DIED if they didn't time it right. NOT TO MENTION THEY FAILED to talk about how Space Ranger was a big help on that part as well! OTHERWISE THEY CAN'T PIERCE THROUGH THE FUCKING CORE Not to mention, Vegeta on Namek literally say your Power Equals your "Durability, Strength, and Speed." They literally said Bardock has MORE Power then Nolan and Scales to Vegeta who blew up several planets with little to no Power himself. Not to mention since they gave Bardock the multiplayer of Super Saiyan his 10,000 boost would have became over 500,000 and Frieza blew up a planet which has 10 times worth of gravity as Planet Vegeta. CRAZY how Nolan almost died to creatures that were used to a harsh levels of gravity just like the Saiyans. I know for a fact they'll fumble the shit out of Asura and make Kratos win. And I hope people Debunk the shit out of that if it happen!
I think we’re (god I fucking hope so) comfortable enough knowing Asura will catching a shattering a near country sized finger and blasting through a whole armada in SPACE with little to no effort
@@VengeanceGD bro its literally a flash back during the namek saga. I don’t know why people say this isn’t cannon when it happened during one of the most important arcs in dbz.
I don't really think they hate dbz or anything, i mean the way they showcase the characters is usually really good, their scaling just really sucked on this video
But Omniman did win. This reminds me of the rage people had when Terminator got beat by Robocop. Or when people couldn't believe Batman lost to Spiderman, Black Panther, and Ironman.
To be honest, the biggest surprise in this episode was them saying bardock was faster than omni Man in his base form, which was surprising because even bardock fan boys didn't think he was faster then omni man
Also King Vegeta destroying 3 planets is more impressive due to the distance the planets were from each other AND the fact he did it so casually by himself AND Kid Vegeta and other nameless fodders just tanked it. And Death Battle is trying to say this effortless feat is less than Omniman barely surviving trying to pull something like this off… The fact that Nappa was there too and he wasn’t even a power level of 8,000 should say a lot too.
I just wish that Death Battle fans realize that we don't hate the show or the fights, we just don't agree with how they do their research and how they show bias to some characters
it's not like we db fans hate invincible, but glazing omni-man then "saiyans need to stop fighting dudes with red capes" joke was straight trash. like it was intentional, the batman vs cap fight levels of trash.
Respectfully, a debunk simply isn't necessary in this case. Roughly 90% of the people that watched it, Invincible and DBZ fans alike, agree the outcome was a complete joke. Making a video to educate the 10% that dont understand powerscaling, I don't see the value in it.
@@leonardorolingstella8554 buu was going to destroy the universe over time but if you want statments frieza on namek and perfect cell both stated to have power enough to destroy the universe by the narrator
I mean, i can definitely see them having a controversial verdict for a return, EVERYBODY thought Bardock had this. I'm more confused how why they made both thier speeds so high.
@@ProbablyGoku i won't deny that, but the Trillion x FLT by Namek is far higher than any Dragon Ball calcs I know of. Same with giving Omniman 20 Billion x FTL.
@@yandereneko5523there’s no denying that flying across different galaxies within less than a week is fast asf. And don’t forget that the space ship traveling to Namek is fast asf to since it’s flying across countless galaxies since Namek is in another quadrant and Goku reacting to asteroids and other stuff makes his reaction speed crazy fast and Ki=speed as well and with only the power level of 8,000 to
@@Kodeuk I'm not saying those feats are slow, more so that others in the community only calc the galaxy feat to 1000 x FTL, and I don't know anyone who has brought up the spaceship feat until this episode.
@@yandereneko5523 because it’s a new feat but did you know that Namek is in another quadrant? And there’s 4 quadrants each quadrants holds countless galaxies within it
@@ProbablyGoku It's not only that, they had outside help with the Super Gun + the planet core was already destabilized, and there said it themselves that there was a good risk of them dying from this. It's questionable if they can even get 1/3 of the feat
@@ProbablyGokuThere’s a black box on the Death Battle screen top right corner that mentions the division of power between each person, but that’s it lol
Omni man glaze is insane. They downplayed bardock like insane 😭I honestly think death battle hates db first they compare goku to superman and downplay goku like 3 times (Not glazing goku i have my own opinion that superman wins unless its xeno or cc) Than they compare this walmart superman against bardock... i agree with the debunks including this video but speed im still a bit skeptical about for bardock
Scaling Omni-Man anywhere above planetary is utterly ridiculous. Nolan destroying Viltrum was a shared feat with Mark and Thadeus. Not to mention, Space Racer blasted Viltrum which weakened the planet's structure. Thadeus mentioned how if they screw up they will die. I like Death Battle for entertainment, but this outcome was atrocious.
I don’t know man. I like DBZ, amazing universe, but even I have to say looking at the “fighting in the sun” feat for Viltrumites when even characters like Broly couldn’t last a second on it. Overall experience and strength for breaking an ultra dense super structure are insane. It’s like tiering breaking 3 clay bricks vs one large steel girder, but to each their own.
You do know that was a non-canon broly right ? And it was both Kamehameha from 3 super saiyans along with the sun that killed broly. Not just the sun. Nolan needed massive help destroying a planet 1.25x the gravity of earth. Meanwhile 1st form frieza destroyed a planet 10× the gravity of earth.
If we are taking the non-canon route then that means Bardock doesn’t get ssj or the king vegeta feat cause that was just filler. But if we aren’t, it doesn’t actually matter if the sun got the kill or not, it still broke him down. We can even say the same thing happened to Cooler as well, the sun is powerful enough to destroy someone like Bardock who is way weaker then Broly and maybe Cooler who is maybe comparable in strength and durability.
Because they caught off Guard,if they Are On Guard or Concentrate their energy ,they can survive the Sun like Vegeta Survive A Small Spirit bomb was Described the small Supernova,Also They Have Aura To Resist The Extreme Heat,Let don't Forget Saiyans Can Adapt The Extreme Temperature in the Battle
Not just 2 other equally as powerful viltramites but also space racers gun shot thru the core to destabilise the planet. So that’s even less of a feat compared to bardock being comparable to King vegeta who destroyed 3 planets with a wave of his hand. And pushing that Sun blocking device in space with zero gravity should be much easier than blowing up planets. The ozaru form would have been enough.
0:26 they did scale omniman terribly tho lmfao He's like small planet level at most. And the feat they used to scale him to star level is literally wrong an scales to like continental ☠️☠️☠️ (If anyone is wondering DB scaled the sundisk thing as if it was a sphere half the size of a star with similar mass when in reality it's literally a completely flat metal disk. Which the laser didn't even destroy completely it simply fragmented it. So closer to continental) 1:53 yeah pretty much lmfao
Yes meabe The worst thing is that THEY DID NOT USE THE BARDOCK FROM THE MANGA OF SUPER, who defeated Gas, who as a child MASSACRED GALAXIES FOR FUN, they only used the Bardock from Z or toei verses, to make Omni Man win., in case they inflated Nolan with that thing about intelligent atoms THAT ONLY WORK IF THE VILTRUMITE IS SERIOUS AND subsequently HEALED like the zenkais of the sayayinjs,
I’m genuinely sick of this. I want death battle to tank. To go under and go bankrupt. Like here’s my issue. They lie: say they show no bias. Say they don’t any a fair battle. Then lie to make their favs win to cause drama. This is your job. If you’re bad at your job you shouldn’t have it. So who ever has this job deciding who wins? Fire them. If it’s the entire death battle cast? I hope it goes under and devil artimas starts his own (he’s animated most of the 3d dragon ball fights I believe)
@@lop3938 it literally isn’t. I don’t think it’s bias to say you’re sick of seeing someone lying and playing favorites… You should probably learn what that means before using it friend ^^
I hate how they ignore the fact Bardock's speed is in a completly different league and have Omniman casually grab Ape Bardock's tail when he would struggle to even touch regular Bardock with the speed difference and the Ape form is like 10 times faster. They treated the Great Ape like King Kong
Why are they comparing him to the sun disk? Didn’t he get injured by War Women’s mace from Earth. And in that same fight get hospitalized as well due to how much damage he received from the Guardians? Are they telling me that a mace is somehow more powerful than a giant disk that can block the sun.
See the problem with comparing what Vegeta did in the Saiyan Saga to Bardock is that commonly you see people saying Bardock is 10,000 while Vegeta is nearly double that at 18,000. Another issue in scaling is that by slicing the math however you decide it, you being anyone doing the math at all, you can scale people differently from person to person. The only people we can really scale Bardock to properly would be King Vegeta and arguably Goku just after recovering from the prior Saiyan Saga battle...provided you say that Goku is in fact 10,000 base at that point in time. Quite frankly, I'm not saying this to say Omni-Man should win. I'm saying this because it feels like you're trying to justify Bardock winning through a bad argument. For example, a better argument is that it did take three Vitimites to destroy that one planet, which doesn't even factor in that a certain gun was doing the destabilization part, meaning that feat should be divided into three between the Viltrumites. Given base Vegeta, who should scale with base Bardock, destroyed those three planets alone, it would then stand to reason that Bardock could be argued to have the strength category.
Budddy we are comparing him to KING Vegeta who is on par with bardock not Prince vegeta also the vultrimites still almost died even after destroying the planet so either way u put it they low planetary atmost
@@ringadingbaby4332 That is just another power scaling point, and I'm not sure what it proves or disproves. Roshi already busted the moon in og Dragon Ball 22st Budokai. Boy has that been a mire with so many different interpretations. After all, no one in the Dragon Ball community can ever agree on power scaling. There are commonly accepted sources for power levels, but you always have those people who just won't accept it.
I'm going to be honest, really just feels like Ben Singer ( Wiz ) just desperately clinged onto anything to make Nolan win because Ben is one of those hipsters who considers shows like Invincible or The Boys "smarter shows". Bardock had so much more stuff and to just not use it is out right dishonest.
They were mentioning about that that bardock didn’t control ssj or something saying that it’s useless or whatever no when Goku and Gohan went to the hyperbolic time chamber/the room spirit, and time they were talking about grade 3 not the original ssj
Omg thanks it’s hilarious they had to wank omni man while downplaying bardock to even make it fare while saying bs lol like omni ain’t even touching base bardock so how the hell did he beat great ape and super saiyan like please 🤦♀️
Death battle episode bardock vs omni man comment setcion going bad.its going be hard dragonball fan and any fan in death battle episode comment section. Because anti fan going after fans. Its get pretty annoying that time. Its only happening certain death battle epiode comment section.
I feel that Omni Man should have gotten 1/3 of the small star feat considering the fact that he needed the help of two other vilturmites.I ended up calculating the feat taking into account the fact that Omni Man needed 2 other viltrumites and that the fact the planet's core was destroyed, after factoring in everything I just said:Omni Man's highest AP would be 2.8803 exatons, which would be Moon Level
Also, I'd like to say even though they got the result wrong, they got everything else right, the characterization, the music, and the analysis was great. It genuinely felt like a sequel to Omni Man vs Homelander, which I guess is another reason why Omni Man won.
Omniman is planetary at best, though probably not. They 1: Scaled his strength based on destroying Viltrum incorrectly, 2: scaled his strength(oops I meant durability) by incorrectly calculating the size of the disk that the infinity ray gun(sorry I can't remember the name.) by calculating it as a sphere instead of a cylinder which greatly increases its mass, 3: by using the calculation for destroying an object of the size they measured completely, instead of just breaking it with a laser gun, which probably makes theirs off by maybe double digit magnitudes. This was by far the laziest analysis they've ever done.
The best feat was the fact the colision said that none of their weapons would damage them and their strongest weapon which destroyed the large structure they showed (forgot the name) but thats where they got the small star level.
The sun disk that blocked off light & heat to an entire planet is the structure you’re talking about. Ik it seems crazy but honestly doesn’t sound super far fetched to me
honestly if they keep on bring up the bullshit of a weaker character winning then yeah but the fight was at least amazing devilartemis cooked, they could had just let bardock win, even some of the invincible fans don't agree to this statement
Is it weird that I'm happy that their first death battle after going independent is already controversial? Same old death battle, where we question who the hell is doing the research lmao.
Let's take actual feats & statements: Bardock home planet is similar to Viltrum. Period. Saiyans get stronger at a much faster rate that Viltrumites do. Bardock's full-time job is to life wipe planets, against more powerful inhabitants over the course of afternoons, hours or days. Some of these aliens are even more powerful, experienced, or advanced than Viltrumites. Omniman took months (maybe even years) against weaker aliens to do the same. The CoP blaintently stated their weapons are INEFFECTIVE against Viltrumites, much like 🔨 is ineffective to 🪰. So by DB logic 🪰 is beyond 🔨 level. Omniman admitted himself that flying thru the core of Viltrum alone would kill him. He wasn't tired. He wasn't hurt. Those things don't matter to a Viltrumite, remember? The only thing Viltrumites have on Saiyans are their tenacity. They can take more damage than a Saiyan & keep fighting, but it's not by much. Viltrumites have fought with their guts hanging out. True. But Saiyans have fought with missing limbs & holes blown clean thru them. FACTS.
I also want to add that death battle straight up lied about Viltralites being immune to their own weapons. If you begin at 18:26 their own two scans actively state the exact OPPOSITE of what they claimed. So even if we accepted the solar disk calc, their own scaling wouldn't have even granted Omni man that scaling to begin with.
In truth, Death Battle is basically just meant to entertain. People lost that concept when their faves were put in the ring. And then when said fave gets whacked, people take it personal and post about it like it ruined their day. DB knows that no matter who wins or loses, someone is gonna fakerage about it when they really don't care.
Also, you don't really go over the fact that with the Bardock we have, he's no master of the Super Saiyan Form. While you are free to disagree with Death Battle at your leisure, it is generally understood within the canon of Dragon Ball itself that without mastery of the Super Saiyan Form, it is going to put a drastic drain on the user. Now, could Bardock beat Omni-Man before he runs out of juice? That could very well happen, though that isn't the issue I take here. The issue I have is that as someone who is purely scaling Bardock, you do not at least mention Bardock's lack of mastery with Great Ape and Super Saiyan.
@@RagingBlazeBloodBaka Goku is also many times stronger than Bardock. Additionally, it is also stated in the same manga, the very panel they show, that there is a drain. It's exactly like how Goku can maintain higher levels of Kaio Ken for longer than he could prior due to being stronger.
Bardock when he went super saiyan had enough time to beat lord chilled who is roughly half his strength, while Omni man is much less than that. He easily has enough time to beat Omni man
Yall gonna forget that King Vegeta destroyed those planets with NO effort and act like that's his max feat and then scale up omni-man to planetary level when he needed helped from viltrumites and core destabilizer? ROSHI could destroy moons at like power level 160, and yall think 3 planets is the max of someone around 10000? Crazy.
The first they downplay Physical Strength Force first So Omni Man at best he Stop a Asteroid has Texas Size at his Extreme Max,Meanwhile Base Bardock Holding Back is physically limitless Time stronger than Both Tao Pai pai who has at peak throw the pillar at 2300km with his 1 single arm and Kid Gohan who was resisting being sucked into the pull the dead zone has Size to sucks everything in the world and light can't escape from it So Saiyans's Raw Physical Strength Force Are No joke they may be Higher than Viltrumites.If in Great Ape,and Super Saiyan,They're physically even further beyond Limitless stronger than them Bardock is stronger than the entire Ginyu force combined And The Ginyu force was so fast that Gohan , Vegeta and Krillin couldn't even sense them coming Where they easily sensed The Ginyu forces Space Pods which can travel the entire Galaxy and Galaxies in DB is Infinite in size since in the Daizenshuu it was confirmed that Boundless Galaxies in DB contains Solar Systems that are Galactic nebula's meaning a Galaxy is formed by a collection of this nebulis and each nebulae has an innumerable numbers of Stars and 4 Kaio Galaxies is actually the 4 quadrant of the Universe. lol Meaning each Galaxy in DB is Infinite in size meaning whose Boundless Galaxies are from High 3-A to 2-C Meaning those Space pods are Trillions to Decillions of times FTL+ Meaning The Ginyu force is Decillions of times FTL+ So Bardock is Decillions of times FTL+ And Limit Beaker Bardock from DBS manga is even physically stronger and faster And In Invincible when you punch someone stronger than you You'll explode So Omniman would explode after just touching Bardock Final Form Frieza tank Base Goku with the large Spirit Bomb Which Contains Entire Worlds,Stars lifeforce Energies in the Galaxy Lifeforce Energies while A small fraction of Spirit bomb has Basketball size has described A Small Supernova from DB Guidebook ,Meaning SSJ Bardock is Multi-Solar System Level+++ to Galaxy+++,So Bardock Wins Against Both,Also Bardocks is more skilled than Omni man,experience does equal to skill Or you can scale Ssj Bardock scales above Goku's Large spirit bomb that takes energy from everything in the infinite living world which is bare minimum 6D ignoring the realm that houses no concept of time or space between the living realm and the afterlife People may argue ‘’Omni-man is too fast’’ Travel speed yes. however in planets they can only go Mach 10. This is talking about Allen, but Allen can keep up with really strong Viltrumites. And Like Classic Dragon Ball already has multiple FTL+ statements and feats, for a example Kid Goku dodging lazers from Red Ribbon Robots and Demon King Piccolo's Lasers.Roshi Destroys The Moon Also King Piccolo himself stated he could destroy the Planet World Earth has 3x bigger than Our Earth if he wanted while Piccolo jr at peak Blow away Moon with his 1 single hand.King Vegeta Vaporized 3 planets with His Explosive Waves. And you can Argue that Solar Flare is way faster than Light since Tien is Stronger than his Teacher since the stronger you are the faster it gets, but lets not talk about it to keep this simple. The Lowest to Strongest Viltrumites are MultiContinetal to Large Planet level at Extreme best Combined and Even then its not a punch or anything like One Viltrumite need to Travel full speed towards something to be Continental. So yea a punch from a Top tier Viltrumite is way less powerful. And even if we ignore the Mach 10 thing. and Say that Omni-man goes Full speed Towards Raditz, Raditz is not Going to even Move, he is just going to tank that like its nothing. Raditz literally took an Attack From Piccolo and Demon King Piccolo could One shot The Workd like DB Earth is 3xbigger than our Earth from Classic DB and didnt even move.
if characters like roshi can destroy a moon with a powerlevel of 106 if i remember correctly, and bardock is at a powerlevel of 10,000 (which is the comfirmed powerlevel to destroy entire planets) that saids something, cuz roshi vs omni-man is close, i wouldn't say the same about omni man vs bardock tho
Im not surprised. These are the same grouo who try to use 'Lift Infinity, even though others have limits and trying to help' argument for his strength. First off that not how it work at all. And secondly, he did t even lift or move those Infinity objects. And now their saying cause a planet this size mean he stronger. Hell no! THAT NOT HOW IT WORKS!
I’m not exactly good at calculating or scaling, their way of determining what Bardock can do with a power level of 10.000 was alright i then they make the mistake of adding the multipliers to 10.000 power level feats. To be actually consistent, they should’ve added the multipliers to his power level, and then compare those with characters with the same or a similar power level. Meaning that Oozaru Bardock has s power level of 100.000 which makes him slightly stronger than Goku’s 90.000 when he arrives on Namek, and Super Saiyan Bardock is at 500.000, almost on par with first form Frieza’s 530.000.
Tbh next battle will probably be the same. Maybe for 3-4 battles they will make people rage and boost views and recommendations. If Joker loses, because to be honest he is really really overkill for giorno, they are definitely doing it for views
Only thing i can give omniman is speed they reached out there ass for that speed feat for bardock from a filler episode you know damn right the writers didn't think that deeply about that with that spaceship feat Even then bardock scales higher in sheer durability omniman would literally break he hand on bardocks chest
Let's be honest they just want to say gokus lose to guy's in cape instead of actually doing real scaling Well who cares October still goated with the manga returning and the anime returning to and game releasing Don't let this bs make this
why do I have the foresight and just bet that omni win because of Death Battle track record of making DBZ character lose. Like at first I was thinking "Yep bardock would stomp but since it's death battle i say omni man would win because biasness" And what do we know death battle does it again
@@Westley6578 at any rate this fight reminds me of their lack of research with the Link vs Cloud fight… cloud lost the years later they rereleased the fight and Cloud won and they redid all the feats and link couldn’t hold a candle to cloud… so if they retconned that they can retcon anything 😂
If they were going to included Suoer Saiyan all of the Xeno feats and tech up to SSJ4 may as well have been included then. SSJ and Chilled story was pretty much the chapter 1 beginning of tge Xeno story for Barbock.
2 other Viltrumites AND Space Racer shooting the planet core with an anti matter gun to destablilize the core before they hit it. They couldn't do it on their own even with 3 Viltrumites. If the core restablilized before impact, they be dead.
Well the whole feat with the sun disk was calculated as is because it was already previously stated that the Viltrumite resistance didn’t possess any weapons that could harm a Viltrumite. Which meant that they can survive the same type of blast The reason it was scaled to Omni-Man’s attack output is because the only thing strong enough to kill a Viltrumite is another Viltrumite
We not gonna forget that for all that strength he can get manhandle by battle beast. The same guy who fought had a head with the strongest guy in the universe who is stronger than Omni man. The crazy part battle beast do not have a feet to destroy a planet. But he still manhandle. Omni man. Alan manhandled Omni man.
Oh, I love this game. Okay, we never see Roshi destroy a planet, just a moon. Regardless of whether or not his power is strong enough to destroy a planet in super, we never see it. Even then, his Mafuba is still capable of sealing the likes of Vegeta. The problem with this argument is that it can be used in so many things. Especially when one cherry picks from points within the series. Another example. One time in Fairy Tail, a filler mind you, Gray Fullbuster trapped Natsu within an ice cage. This was relatively early on into the series mind, so naturally he should be able to pull off the same feat at the end of Fairy Tail. Zane Truesdale beat Season 1 Jaden Yuki in episode 8 or Yugioh Gx and tied with him at the end of season 1. Naturally, they should just be dead even duelist all throughout the rest of the series as they never dueled again, never mind how they changed and grew as duelist beyond that point. Ash Ketchum lost a battle to Gary after the Battle Frontier, and they never battled again after that point. Clearly, by your logic, the now World Monarch Ash would still loose to Gary Oak, even though he was not competing in the World Tournament.
@@Quillion-lq4bx but Omni man can’t destroy planet, but if you read the book the second omnibus ininvincible they don’t use Space Racer the guy who have space gun that one shot everything hit. He was there and he shot the planet before Omni man and Mark, and old guy flying to planet. after the shot hit it the planet was already dead plus those three had to perfectly time and catch up show the planet gravity don’t kill them because it will be impossible to do that on their own. You learned this on the some page when the planet was destroyed. to me they were just bad research because it’s way too obvious that you can Google search it in two seconds. They need to do research even if they have to spoiled the show but at the same time they don’t need to lie on a character to win for entertainment, or not
@@Xx-jumpshot_edits The truth is they trying not to spoil the show and the problem with that they like this character been here since 2021. But the whole invincible series have been around 2003 and ended 2014.
@@alexanderjones-jy8hh Technically speaking, isn't it a lie to say Bardock could blow up a planet? Sure, he has a power level around King Vegeta who did blow up planets, but we never see Bardock do the same in the manga or specials. By that logic, given the whole gun thing, we never really see Omni man destroy a planet either. All this means that by proxy of "I didn't see it so it didn't happen" both combatants loose a lot of potential fears. Basically any fear that is power scaled by proxy of another is void by this logic for both.
It do care about Omni Man I just didn't care about where they scaled him because it didn't matter and after doing some research Death Battle pretty obviously wanked Nolan
@@ProbablyGoku yes they wanked tf out of Nolan, as a dragonball fan AND invincible fan, they didn't even mention my boy space rider destabilizing planet viltrum, but we also must understand that bardock in the grand schemes of things, isn't that strong, some one like Vegeta or namek Goku would be a better match personally
@@ProbablyGoku they used cannon bardock and gave him super Saiyan, it still wouldn't matter, they should have used the bardock special, or heros bardock
Listen I haven't even seen the fight because i already know who was gonna win, its pretty obvious now who death battle gonna pick ti win theur fights and ut pretty clear that death battle is not a real fight channel. I dont understand why people still watch their videos
Pin me maybe(?)
Umm apparently the sun disk feat they showed wasn't the high end. The high end sun disk feat is actually 120,000 quettatons and a full speed bardock is 34 trillion c. Its from a black box apparently so theres that.
Sure I'll pin you
Well the reason we say its a wank wasnt because they used the high end of thier calculations, it was because they wanked a feat that had multiple other variables and ignored them in order to get omni man way higher than he actually is
@@adielcohen4048 oh thats cool. I was under the impression that it was based on what was said on this video. Sun disk is pretty dumb I agree. Im looking at some speedy discord msg to see how he calced it.
@@franklinbalani5245 which is a lie cause it’s a wank. They called it a star level feat it’s not.
It was a thin piece of metal or glass. It shattered. It wasn’t even vaporized
The mass of that disk would be equal to a planet, the correct calcs would put it around planet level,
Cause size has nothing to do with how hard it is to destroy, it’s all about the mass of an object,
Aka a pane of glass the size of a building could be stomped on a few times and be fully destroyed
@@ProbablyGokuof course they wank Invincible characters Bardock would just automatically Blitz and kill omni man they didn't use that scaling so you might as well get to the point
I feel like they were more concerned with the " The Gokus gets beat by guys in cape" joke than making a fair death battle.
@@dalerockman5286 True I don't think Death Battle even cares about accuracy anymore
@@ProbablyGoku Bold of you to assume they cared about accuracy in the FIRST place 😂
@@ProbablyGoku There's only a small handful of accurate ones i can't even lie, they need to run it back with Vegeta VS Shadow
@@inksinkanimates8921 Vegeta vs shadow was accurate at the time
@@inksinkanimates8921 you bet they are having a hard time sleeping for letting Vegeta win 😂
They also forgot to include shit from the manga AND the Comic from invincible. They literally say he compares to Vegeta. They FORGOT to mention that the Planet Nolan Destroyed with help was DYING. Which is how they were able to have a chance at destroying it in the first place, not to mention? They would have DIED if they didn't time it right. NOT TO MENTION THEY FAILED to talk about how Space Ranger was a big help on that part as well! OTHERWISE THEY CAN'T PIERCE THROUGH THE FUCKING CORE Not to mention, Vegeta on Namek literally say your Power Equals your "Durability, Strength, and Speed." They literally said Bardock has MORE Power then Nolan and Scales to Vegeta who blew up several planets with little to no Power himself. Not to mention since they gave Bardock the multiplayer of Super Saiyan his 10,000 boost would have became over 500,000 and Frieza blew up a planet which has 10 times worth of gravity as Planet Vegeta. CRAZY how Nolan almost died to creatures that were used to a harsh levels of gravity just like the Saiyans.
I know for a fact they'll fumble the shit out of Asura and make Kratos win. And I hope people Debunk the shit out of that if it happen!
I think we’re (god I fucking hope so) comfortable enough knowing Asura will catching a shattering a near country sized finger and blasting through a whole armada in SPACE with little to no effort
They literally just low-ball King Vegeta's feat at large planetary...
Fr😭 You can easily get King Vegeta higher
this shi is non-canon to the actual bardock special.
@@VengeanceGDKing Vegeta blew up planet like nothing and then a few planets are explode on Vegeta's memory on Frieza saga.
@@VengeanceGD bro its literally a flash back during the namek saga. I don’t know why people say this isn’t cannon when it happened during one of the most important arcs in dbz.
And what does that have to do with Bardock😂
As a fan of dragon ball and invincible. Omni man aint winning. Death battle hates dbz. Their scaling sucks. Bardock stomps low diff
Base Bardock stomp Low diff if you Low end him
Yeah in contrast they love Invincible/Omniman. Gave Omniman two straight wins.
I don't really think they hate dbz or anything, i mean the way they showcase the characters is usually really good, their scaling just really sucked on this video
@@mrharvy100 but homelander was an actual win tho
But Omniman did win. This reminds me of the rage people had when Terminator got beat by Robocop. Or when people couldn't believe Batman lost to Spiderman, Black Panther, and Ironman.
The Omni-man glazing in that death battle episode was clinical🤦🏿♂️
Seriously his best feat has been proved to be continental which isn’t bad but isn’t close to bardock
If you want me to explain, I can.
To be honest, the biggest surprise in this episode was them saying bardock was faster than omni Man in his base form, which was surprising because even bardock fan boys didn't think he was faster then omni man
yeah i assumed he was just decently fast.
There’s a reason screw attack
Fell apart and became death battle.
Also King Vegeta destroying 3 planets is more impressive due to the distance the planets were from each other AND the fact he did it so casually by himself AND Kid Vegeta and other nameless fodders just tanked it.
And Death Battle is trying to say this effortless feat is less than Omniman barely surviving trying to pull something like this off…
The fact that Nappa was there too and he wasn’t even a power level of 8,000 should say a lot too.
There's an unspoken rule of Saiyans never getting a win against heroes with capes in Death Battle.
crazy since gohan rocked one too.
A DEBUNK ALREADY IS FUCKING CRAZY 🤣😂😂
@@pokeballblaze9835 I made this as soon as I finished watching the video😭
Nah, that death battle just deserved the fastest debunk.
@@NossoMonstro agreed
@@NossoMonstrosadly they just ignore it like always 🙄
@@NossoMonstro YEAH, LOL
I just wish that Death Battle fans realize that we don't hate the show or the fights, we just don't agree with how they do their research and how they show bias to some characters
it's not like we db fans hate invincible, but glazing omni-man then "saiyans need to stop fighting dudes with red capes" joke was straight trash. like it was intentional, the batman vs cap fight levels of trash.
@@Mr._Anonymous342 Real talk
If it says anything, from what I heard it’s the same researcher that did Ben 10 vs Green Lantern
THAT SHOULD SAY A LOT
Respectfully, a debunk simply isn't necessary in this case. Roughly 90% of the people that watched it, Invincible and DBZ fans alike, agree the outcome was a complete joke. Making a video to educate the 10% that dont understand powerscaling, I don't see the value in it.
while thats true, I've seen some really stupid comments on both sides. I think a full debunk would be interesting.
That 10% is closer to 5 and its death battle stans who think death battle is never wrong
Not to mention the Db universe is SOOOO much bigger than the invincible one
Yeah but DB never really got into universal scale fights until after DBZ ended
@@leonardorolingstella8554 buu was going to destroy the universe over time but if you want statments frieza on namek and perfect cell both stated to have power enough to destroy the universe by the narrator
There can’t be death battle season without death battle making dragon ball fans mad
I think this is more justified than Goku vs Superman
The glazing for Omni-Man was insane
Ya Goku vs Superman is understandable but this one was just plan wrong
@@gotenblack2542 goku vs Superman is just plane right. But the Omiman glazing is insane
@@gotenblack2542 I mean, they tried to say Omniman was star-level. Like wtf
@@deathdealer312With the sun disk feat of course
I mean, i can definitely see them having a controversial verdict for a return, EVERYBODY thought Bardock had this.
I'm more confused how why they made both thier speeds so high.
I mean they both have crazy speed feats
@@ProbablyGoku i won't deny that, but the Trillion x FLT by Namek is far higher than any Dragon Ball calcs I know of. Same with giving Omniman 20 Billion x FTL.
@@yandereneko5523there’s no denying that flying across different galaxies within less than a week is fast asf. And don’t forget that the space ship traveling to Namek is fast asf to since it’s flying across countless galaxies since Namek is in another quadrant and Goku reacting to asteroids and other stuff makes his reaction speed crazy fast and Ki=speed as well and with only the power level of 8,000 to
@@Kodeuk I'm not saying those feats are slow, more so that others in the community only calc the galaxy feat to 1000 x FTL, and I don't know anyone who has brought up the spaceship feat until this episode.
@@yandereneko5523 because it’s a new feat but did you know that Namek is in another quadrant? And there’s 4 quadrants each quadrants holds countless galaxies within it
Dumb people were saying toph could beat gaara 😂
Wait...
A Debunk? Death Battle really *is* back!
This would’ve never happened to base Cabba
@@Notazaku fr
Obviously three virtumites destroying a planet is stronger than king vegeta destroying three because it was bigger😭🙏
@@iceshingodzillachannel well first off Omni-Man scales to only 1/3 of that feat and second off King Vegeta's feat scales much higher
@@ProbablyGokuthats what i was trying to say
@@ProbablyGoku It's not only that, they had outside help with the Super Gun + the planet core was already destabilized, and there said it themselves that there was a good risk of them dying from this.
It's questionable if they can even get 1/3 of the feat
True
@@ProbablyGokuThere’s a black box on the Death Battle screen top right corner that mentions the division of power between each person, but that’s it lol
Finally a debunk video. Longest 7 hours of my life
😭😭LMAO mb I didn't even know the Death Battle was uploaded until 3 hours ago
I made a debunk post :p
It has even more reasons Bardock should’ve won
To be honest king Vegeta would solo
This episode of death battle was bs and how did bardock’s arm explode Omni man’s should had exploded
Omni man glaze is insane. They downplayed bardock like insane 😭I honestly think death battle hates db first they compare goku to superman and downplay goku like 3 times (Not glazing goku i have my own opinion that superman wins unless its xeno or cc) Than they compare this walmart superman against bardock... i agree with the debunks including this video but speed im still a bit skeptical about for bardock
Yeah the speed scaling Death Battle used for Bardock was iffy
@@ProbablyGoku Yeah honestly i would probably give the speed to omni man but idk maybe they could be right but im still a bit skeptical about it
Omni man is better in Travel Speed but Combat and Reaction Speed always go to Bardock
Superman beats all forms of goku I fear.😔
Nah speed calc was accurate like can you react to asteroids while standing on a ship that is moving beyond light years in mere 0.01 seconds? 😂
And this is why we shouldve had Mark VS Gohan
They'll pulled out some shit that allow Mark to win probably.
"and if you close your eyes".
Scaling Omni-Man anywhere above planetary is utterly ridiculous. Nolan destroying Viltrum was a shared feat with Mark and Thadeus. Not to mention, Space Racer blasted Viltrum which weakened the planet's structure. Thadeus mentioned how if they screw up they will die. I like Death Battle for entertainment, but this outcome was atrocious.
Still Viltrum is much larger than Earth so saying he’s planetary isn’t that outrageous, especially with the sun disk feat
Dragonball is legendary series.
I don’t know man. I like DBZ, amazing universe, but even I have to say looking at the “fighting in the sun” feat for Viltrumites when even characters like Broly couldn’t last a second on it. Overall experience and strength for breaking an ultra dense super structure are insane. It’s like tiering breaking 3 clay bricks vs one large steel girder, but to each their own.
You do know that was a non-canon broly right ? And it was both Kamehameha from 3 super saiyans along with the sun that killed broly. Not just the sun. Nolan needed massive help destroying a planet 1.25x the gravity of earth. Meanwhile 1st form frieza destroyed a planet 10× the gravity of earth.
If we are taking the non-canon route then that means Bardock doesn’t get ssj or the king vegeta feat cause that was just filler. But if we aren’t, it doesn’t actually matter if the sun got the kill or not, it still broke him down. We can even say the same thing happened to Cooler as well, the sun is powerful enough to destroy someone like Bardock who is way weaker then Broly and maybe Cooler who is maybe comparable in strength and durability.
Because they caught off Guard,if they Are On Guard or Concentrate their energy ,they can survive the Sun like Vegeta Survive A Small Spirit bomb was Described the small Supernova,Also They Have Aura To Resist The Extreme Heat,Let don't Forget Saiyans Can Adapt The Extreme Temperature in the Battle
Dawg I’m sorry but omni man is not winning this please omni man isn’t even saibamn level😭😭🙏🏾
@autil7393 Cooler was hit by both his own supernova and a super saiyan Kamehameha. It wasn't just the sun dude. Your leaving out that part.
Not just 2 other equally as powerful viltramites but also space racers gun shot thru the core to destabilise the planet. So that’s even less of a feat compared to bardock being comparable to King vegeta who destroyed 3 planets with a wave of his hand. And pushing that Sun blocking device in space with zero gravity should be much easier than blowing up planets. The ozaru form would have been enough.
0:26 they did scale omniman terribly tho lmfao
He's like small planet level at most.
And the feat they used to scale him to star level is literally wrong an scales to like continental ☠️☠️☠️
(If anyone is wondering DB scaled the sundisk thing as if it was a sphere half the size of a star with similar mass when in reality it's literally a completely flat metal disk. Which the laser didn't even destroy completely it simply fragmented it. So closer to continental)
1:53 yeah pretty much lmfao
Yes meabe The worst thing is that THEY DID NOT USE THE BARDOCK FROM THE MANGA OF SUPER, who defeated Gas, who as a child MASSACRED GALAXIES FOR FUN, they only used the Bardock from Z or toei verses, to make Omni Man win., in case they inflated Nolan with that thing about intelligent atoms THAT ONLY WORK IF THE VILTRUMITE IS SERIOUS AND subsequently HEALED like the zenkais of the sayayinjs,
I’m genuinely sick of this.
I want death battle to tank. To go under and go bankrupt.
Like here’s my issue.
They lie: say they show no bias. Say they don’t any a fair battle.
Then lie to make their favs win to cause drama.
This is your job. If you’re bad at your job you shouldn’t have it. So who ever has this job deciding who wins? Fire them. If it’s the entire death battle cast? I hope it goes under and devil artimas starts his own (he’s animated most of the 3d dragon ball fights I believe)
Well this isn’t bias commentary at all.
@@lop3938 it literally isn’t. I don’t think it’s bias to say you’re sick of seeing someone lying and playing favorites…
You should probably learn what that means before using it friend ^^
Tbh I could've used more feats for Bardock but I wanted to make this video as brief as possible
9 trillion Xftl for namek saga is ISANITY, but wanking the planet viltrum feat is even more insane
It’s much higher since Namek is in another quadrant
I hate how they ignore the fact Bardock's speed is in a completly different league and have Omniman casually grab Ape Bardock's tail when he would struggle to even touch regular Bardock with the speed difference and the Ape form is like 10 times faster. They treated the Great Ape like King Kong
Omni man can’t destroy planets without the space gun read book about planet destroying.
Why are they comparing him to the sun disk? Didn’t he get injured by War Women’s mace from Earth.
And in that same fight get hospitalized as well due to how much damage he received from the Guardians?
Are they telling me that a mace is somehow more powerful than a giant disk that can block the sun.
See the problem with comparing what Vegeta did in the Saiyan Saga to Bardock is that commonly you see people saying Bardock is 10,000 while Vegeta is nearly double that at 18,000. Another issue in scaling is that by slicing the math however you decide it, you being anyone doing the math at all, you can scale people differently from person to person.
The only people we can really scale Bardock to properly would be King Vegeta and arguably Goku just after recovering from the prior Saiyan Saga battle...provided you say that Goku is in fact 10,000 base at that point in time. Quite frankly, I'm not saying this to say Omni-Man should win.
I'm saying this because it feels like you're trying to justify Bardock winning through a bad argument. For example, a better argument is that it did take three Vitimites to destroy that one planet, which doesn't even factor in that a certain gun was doing the destabilization part, meaning that feat should be divided into three between the Viltrumites.
Given base Vegeta, who should scale with base Bardock, destroyed those three planets alone, it would then stand to reason that Bardock could be argued to have the strength category.
Budddy we are comparing him to KING Vegeta who is on par with bardock not Prince vegeta also the vultrimites still almost died even after destroying the planet so either way u put it they low planetary atmost
@@ioriyagami347check again pal. The guy in the video says Vegeta destroyed Planet Areale. That was a feat done by Prince Vegeta, Saiyan Saga filler.
@@Quillion-lq4bxThere is non filler where weaker characters are able to destroy the moon.
@@ringadingbaby4332 That is just another power scaling point, and I'm not sure what it proves or disproves. Roshi already busted the moon in og Dragon Ball 22st Budokai.
Boy has that been a mire with so many different interpretations. After all, no one in the Dragon Ball community can ever agree on power scaling. There are commonly accepted sources for power levels, but you always have those people who just won't accept it.
@@Quillion-lq4bx yeah I agree , DBZ scaling can be all over the place.
I'm going to be honest, really just feels like Ben Singer ( Wiz ) just desperately clinged onto anything to make Nolan win because Ben is one of those hipsters who considers shows like Invincible or The Boys "smarter shows".
Bardock had so much more stuff and to just not use it is out right dishonest.
Great debunk video.
@@Universeknight10055 thanks but tbh I could've done better
Death battle is a jerk
They were mentioning about that that bardock didn’t control ssj or something saying that it’s useless or whatever no when Goku and Gohan went to the hyperbolic time chamber/the room spirit, and time they were talking about grade 3 not the original ssj
and they forgot the one weakness he had that they let homelander exploit. Lound sounds
Omg thanks it’s hilarious they had to wank omni man while downplaying bardock to even make it fare while saying bs lol like omni ain’t even touching base bardock so how the hell did he beat great ape and super saiyan like please 🤦♀️
Fr once Bardock when Great Ape he should've crashed him easily
@@ProbablyGoku lmao yeah omni was gettin hella lot of plot armor
They were to afraid to give bardock ssj4.
Base form is enough
He was lucky to even get SSJ
@@mauroherrera9543 Meanwhile they used every iteration of omni man from the show to the comics and lowballed bardock to the chilled episode
Does bardrock even have ss4 to begin with?
@@OmegaX-Jr Watxh dragon ball heroes
Death battle episode bardock vs omni man comment setcion going bad.its going be hard dragonball fan and any fan in death battle episode comment section. Because anti fan going after fans. Its get pretty annoying that time. Its only happening certain death battle epiode comment section.
They almost gave me heart attack bro what can I expect from death battle there scaling is so wack
@@DbdnDbdndnd fr😭🙏🏼
I feel that Omni Man should have gotten 1/3 of the small star feat considering the fact that he needed the help of two other vilturmites.I ended up calculating the feat taking into account the fact that Omni Man needed 2 other viltrumites and that the fact the planet's core was destroyed, after factoring in everything I just said:Omni Man's highest AP would be 2.8803 exatons, which would be Moon Level
BTW:That was the low ball, the high end is 40,000 exatons of tnt, impressive but still Moon Level.BARDOCK SLAMS
Also, I'd like to say even though they got the result wrong, they got everything else right, the characterization, the music, and the analysis was great. It genuinely felt like a sequel to Omni Man vs Homelander, which I guess is another reason why Omni Man won.
Omniman is planetary at best, though probably not. They 1: Scaled his strength based on destroying Viltrum incorrectly, 2: scaled his strength(oops I meant durability) by incorrectly calculating the size of the disk that the infinity ray gun(sorry I can't remember the name.) by calculating it as a sphere instead of a cylinder which greatly increases its mass, 3: by using the calculation for destroying an object of the size they measured completely, instead of just breaking it with a laser gun, which probably makes theirs off by maybe double digit magnitudes. This was by far the laziest analysis they've ever done.
Death battle needs to hire you because they are not good enough to do analysis
Thanks but even if they did offer me a job I'd probably decline😭
this is probably the fastest DB debunk ive ever seen.
With a debunk this quick, that’s when you know DB is back. 😂😂
It's ironic that the person who made the animation is a big fan of Dragon Ball and he didn't think about it while animating Bardock's defeat.
WE OILING UP DEATH BATTLE TONIGHT >:)
They should put deathbattle creators to sleep
Huh wym?
@@ProbablyGoku nah man just tired of death battle. they had the chance to make a great comeback. and they make such poor debut episode
Ohhhh I thought you meant DB as in Dragonball
@@JorArg-c7sAll because Bardock didn't win?
@@juwanwilson7700 Nah, I don't care about that. I suspected that they would make him lose because he lacks notable feats (in canon at least)
The best feat was the fact the colision said that none of their weapons would damage them and their strongest weapon which destroyed the large structure they showed (forgot the name) but thats where they got the small star level.
The sun disk that blocked off light & heat to an entire planet is the structure you’re talking about. Ik it seems crazy but honestly doesn’t sound super far fetched to me
Death Battle is supposed to use the strongest versions of both characters, with ALL of their abilities. How come this isn't Xeno Bardock?
fr
Didnt people say (atleast in reddit) bardock vs omni man can go either way/is debatable?
Death Battle really sucks with Dragonball feats in general.
I'm glad everyone can agree that Bardock wins with proper scaling
They only care about the numbers instead of accuracy
They made that shit look like omni man blew up that planet by himself 😭
That and straight up lying about their Omni man scaling
Death battle and fans bia certain characters and franchise. Death battle does flavorite certain characters and franchise.
Death Battle should’ve stayed dead
Fr
Death battle is going to die again if they keep doing this
The argument of the verdict being wrong is reasonable. But saying DB should’ve stayed dead, not so much.
honestly if they keep on bring up the bullshit of a weaker character winning then yeah but the fight was at least amazing devilartemis cooked, they could had just let bardock win, even some of the invincible fans don't agree to this statement
Disagreeing with the verdict is reasonable but saying they should have stay dead is outlandish
Is it weird that I'm happy that their first death battle after going independent is already controversial? Same old death battle, where we question who the hell is doing the research lmao.
Let's take actual feats & statements:
Bardock home planet is similar to Viltrum. Period.
Saiyans get stronger at a much faster rate that Viltrumites do.
Bardock's full-time job is to life wipe planets, against more powerful inhabitants over the course of afternoons, hours or days. Some of these aliens are even more powerful, experienced, or advanced than Viltrumites. Omniman took months (maybe even years) against weaker aliens to do the same.
The CoP blaintently stated their weapons are INEFFECTIVE against Viltrumites, much like 🔨 is ineffective to 🪰. So by DB logic 🪰 is beyond 🔨 level.
Omniman admitted himself that flying thru the core of Viltrum alone would kill him. He wasn't tired. He wasn't hurt. Those things don't matter to a Viltrumite, remember?
The only thing Viltrumites have on Saiyans are their tenacity. They can take more damage than a Saiyan & keep fighting, but it's not by much. Viltrumites have fought with their guts hanging out. True. But Saiyans have fought with missing limbs & holes blown clean thru them. FACTS.
Death Battle scales Dragon Ball Characters fairly challenge (Gone Wrong)
I also want to add that death battle straight up lied about Viltralites being immune to their own weapons. If you begin at 18:26 their own two scans actively state the exact OPPOSITE of what they claimed. So even if we accepted the solar disk calc, their own scaling wouldn't have even granted Omni man that scaling to begin with.
75 bands for a dishonest episode. That's insane.
@@hidd3n-4liIt really is
In truth, Death Battle is basically just meant to entertain. People lost that concept when their faves were put in the ring. And then when said fave gets whacked, people take it personal and post about it like it ruined their day. DB knows that no matter who wins or loses, someone is gonna fakerage about it when they really don't care.
Also, you don't really go over the fact that with the Bardock we have, he's no master of the Super Saiyan Form. While you are free to disagree with Death Battle at your leisure, it is generally understood within the canon of Dragon Ball itself that without mastery of the Super Saiyan Form, it is going to put a drastic drain on the user.
Now, could Bardock beat Omni-Man before he runs out of juice? That could very well happen, though that isn't the issue I take here. The issue I have is that as someone who is purely scaling Bardock, you do not at least mention Bardock's lack of mastery with Great Ape and Super Saiyan.
Goku in his battle with Frieza can literally maintain his Super Saiyan for 5 minutes... And that's Goku's first time gaining that power
@@RagingBlazeBloodBaka Goku is also many times stronger than Bardock. Additionally, it is also stated in the same manga, the very panel they show, that there is a drain. It's exactly like how Goku can maintain higher levels of Kaio Ken for longer than he could prior due to being stronger.
Bardock when he went super saiyan had enough time to beat lord chilled who is roughly half his strength, while Omni man is much less than that. He easily has enough time to beat Omni man
@@Quillion-lq4bx bro kaioken is a technique that tackles your durability not your stamina😂
Yall gonna forget that King Vegeta destroyed those planets with NO effort and act like that's his max feat and then scale up omni-man to planetary level when he needed helped from viltrumites and core destabilizer?
ROSHI could destroy moons at like power level 160, and yall think 3 planets is the max of someone around 10000?
Crazy.
The first they downplay Physical Strength Force first So Omni Man at best he Stop a Asteroid has Texas Size at his Extreme Max,Meanwhile Base Bardock Holding Back is physically limitless Time stronger than Both Tao Pai pai who has at peak throw the pillar at 2300km with his 1 single arm and Kid Gohan who was resisting being sucked into the pull the dead zone has Size to sucks everything in the world and light can't escape from it So Saiyans's Raw Physical Strength Force Are No joke they may be Higher than Viltrumites.If in Great Ape,and Super Saiyan,They're physically even further beyond Limitless stronger than them
Bardock is stronger than the entire Ginyu force combined
And The Ginyu force was so fast that Gohan , Vegeta and Krillin couldn't even sense them coming
Where they easily sensed The Ginyu forces Space Pods which can travel the entire Galaxy and Galaxies in DB is Infinite in size since in the Daizenshuu it was confirmed that Boundless Galaxies in DB contains Solar Systems that are Galactic nebula's meaning a Galaxy is formed by a collection of this nebulis and each nebulae has an innumerable numbers of Stars and 4 Kaio Galaxies is actually the 4 quadrant of the Universe. lol
Meaning each Galaxy in DB is Infinite in size meaning whose Boundless Galaxies are from High 3-A to 2-C
Meaning those Space pods are Trillions to Decillions of times FTL+
Meaning The Ginyu force is Decillions of times FTL+
So Bardock is Decillions of times FTL+
And Limit Beaker Bardock from DBS manga is even physically stronger and faster
And In Invincible when you punch someone stronger than you
You'll explode
So Omniman would explode after just touching Bardock
Final Form Frieza tank Base Goku with the large Spirit Bomb Which Contains Entire Worlds,Stars lifeforce Energies in the Galaxy Lifeforce Energies while A small fraction of Spirit bomb has Basketball size has described A Small Supernova from DB Guidebook ,Meaning SSJ Bardock is Multi-Solar System Level+++ to Galaxy+++,So Bardock Wins Against Both,Also Bardocks is more skilled than Omni man,experience does equal to skill
Or you can scale Ssj Bardock scales above Goku's Large spirit bomb that takes energy from everything in the infinite living world which is bare minimum 6D ignoring the realm that houses no concept of time or space between the living realm and the afterlife
People may argue ‘’Omni-man is too fast’’ Travel speed yes. however in planets they can only go Mach 10.
This is talking about Allen, but Allen can keep up with really strong Viltrumites.
And Like Classic Dragon Ball already has multiple FTL+ statements and feats, for a example Kid Goku dodging lazers from Red Ribbon Robots and Demon King Piccolo's Lasers.Roshi Destroys The Moon Also King Piccolo himself stated he could destroy the Planet World Earth has 3x bigger than Our Earth if he wanted while Piccolo jr at peak Blow away Moon with his 1 single hand.King Vegeta Vaporized 3 planets with His Explosive Waves.
And you can Argue that Solar Flare is way faster than Light since Tien is Stronger than his Teacher since the stronger you are the faster it gets, but lets not talk about it to keep this simple.
The Lowest to Strongest Viltrumites are MultiContinetal to Large Planet level at Extreme best Combined and Even then its not a punch or anything like One Viltrumite need to Travel full speed towards something to be Continental. So yea a punch from a Top tier Viltrumite is way less powerful.
And even if we ignore the Mach 10 thing. and Say that Omni-man goes Full speed Towards Raditz, Raditz is not Going to even Move, he is just going to tank that like its nothing. Raditz literally took an Attack From Piccolo and Demon King Piccolo could One shot The Workd like DB Earth is 3xbigger than our Earth from Classic DB and didnt even move.
I'm fan of dragonball series and invincible comic and superman.
Even invincible fans thought bardock would win that's crazy lol
i was one of them
Omniman is nowhere near as powerful as friezas first form. They are implying omniman is when he still defeats bardok in super saiyan
if characters like roshi can destroy a moon with a powerlevel of 106 if i remember correctly, and bardock is at a powerlevel of 10,000 (which is the comfirmed powerlevel to destroy entire planets) that saids something, cuz roshi vs omni-man is close, i wouldn't say the same about omni man vs bardock tho
Im not surprised.
These are the same grouo who try to use 'Lift Infinity, even though others have limits and trying to help' argument for his strength.
First off that not how it work at all. And secondly, he did t even lift or move those Infinity objects.
And now their saying cause a planet this size mean he stronger.
Hell no! THAT NOT HOW IT WORKS!
Bro, as a DB fan... I did have a bit of doubt, slight doubt. Once they brought up that Bardock didn't master Super Saiyan.
I’m not exactly good at calculating or scaling, their way of determining what Bardock can do with a power level of 10.000 was alright i then they make the mistake of adding the multipliers to 10.000 power level feats.
To be actually consistent, they should’ve added the multipliers to his power level, and then compare those with characters with the same or a similar power level.
Meaning that Oozaru Bardock has s power level of 100.000 which makes him slightly stronger than Goku’s 90.000 when he arrives on Namek, and Super Saiyan Bardock is at 500.000, almost on par with first form Frieza’s 530.000.
I agree with you... I know for a fact within my soul Omni-Man can't beat Bardock.
Death battle help them self make dragonball fan angery. Anti fan can't help them self mocking and dragonball fan and any other fans.
Tbh next battle will probably be the same. Maybe for 3-4 battles they will make people rage and boost views and recommendations. If Joker loses, because to be honest he is really really overkill for giorno, they are definitely doing it for views
We will colab when we will get one million
huh?
@@ProbablyGoku yeah
@@Fxedition 😭
Only thing i can give omniman is speed they reached out there ass for that speed feat for bardock from a filler episode you know damn right the writers didn't think that deeply about that with that spaceship feat
Even then bardock scales higher in sheer durability omniman would literally break he hand on bardocks chest
Let's be honest they just want to say gokus lose to guy's in cape instead of actually doing real scaling
Well who cares October still goated with the manga returning and the anime returning to and game releasing
Don't let this bs make this
At least they said that Bardock is faster than the speed of light which he is an all dragon ball characters are
Even kid Goku countered the solar flare which is a literal light speed technique
Yet Bardock wasn't speed blitzing Omni man even though their own speed calcs meant Bardock would have been speed blitzing.
why do I have the foresight and just bet that omni win because of Death Battle track record of making DBZ character lose. Like at first I was thinking "Yep bardock would stomp but since it's death battle i say omni man would win because biasness"
And what do we know death battle does it again
I mean all of the dragonball fights even the Frieza one… how he was pushed to Black was wild even being cut into half while in black form was crazy
@@Quickscope_Kun that was just for entertainment also he went black because megatron insulted him not because he had to do it.
@@Westley6578 at any rate this fight reminds me of their lack of research with the Link vs Cloud fight… cloud lost the years later they rereleased the fight and Cloud won and they redid all the feats and link couldn’t hold a candle to cloud… so if they retconned that they can retcon anything 😂
Bro omni man is overated by death battle
If they were going to included Suoer Saiyan all of the Xeno feats and tech up to SSJ4 may as well have been included then.
SSJ and Chilled story was pretty much the chapter 1 beginning of tge Xeno story for Barbock.
2 other Viltrumites AND Space Racer shooting the planet core with an anti matter gun to destablilize the core before they hit it. They couldn't do it on their own even with 3 Viltrumites. If the core restablilized before impact, they be dead.
This should just be calm and sense like come on
Well the whole feat with the sun disk was calculated as is because it was already previously stated that the Viltrumite resistance didn’t possess any weapons that could harm a Viltrumite. Which meant that they can survive the same type of blast
The reason it was scaled to Omni-Man’s attack output is because the only thing strong enough to kill a Viltrumite is another Viltrumite
I gave up on Death Battle when they made buu lose to kirby by "calculating" toonforce of kirby Anime.
Terrible match up for both characters. Its superman vs goku all over again.
They cannot scale when it comes to dragon ball characters 😭
We not gonna forget that for all that strength he can get manhandle by battle beast. The same guy who fought had a head with the strongest guy in the universe who is stronger than Omni man. The crazy part battle beast do not have a feet to destroy a planet. But he still manhandle. Omni man. Alan manhandled Omni man.
Oh, I love this game. Okay, we never see Roshi destroy a planet, just a moon. Regardless of whether or not his power is strong enough to destroy a planet in super, we never see it. Even then, his Mafuba is still capable of sealing the likes of Vegeta. The problem with this argument is that it can be used in so many things.
Especially when one cherry picks from points within the series. Another example. One time in Fairy Tail, a filler mind you, Gray Fullbuster trapped Natsu within an ice cage. This was relatively early on into the series mind, so naturally he should be able to pull off the same feat at the end of Fairy Tail.
Zane Truesdale beat Season 1 Jaden Yuki in episode 8 or Yugioh Gx and tied with him at the end of season 1. Naturally, they should just be dead even duelist all throughout the rest of the series as they never dueled again, never mind how they changed and grew as duelist beyond that point.
Ash Ketchum lost a battle to Gary after the Battle Frontier, and they never battled again after that point. Clearly, by your logic, the now World Monarch Ash would still loose to Gary Oak, even though he was not competing in the World Tournament.
@@Quillion-lq4bx but Omni man can’t destroy planet, but if you read the book the second omnibus ininvincible they don’t use Space Racer the guy who have space gun that one shot everything hit. He was there and he shot the planet before Omni man and Mark, and old guy flying to planet. after the shot hit it the planet was already dead plus those three had to perfectly time and catch up show the planet gravity don’t kill them because it will be impossible to do that on their own. You learned this on the some page when the planet was destroyed. to me they were just bad research because it’s way too obvious that you can Google search it in two seconds. They need to do research even if they have to spoiled the show but at the same time they don’t need to lie on a character to win for entertainment, or not
yeah omni mans weakness is brute strength but they didn't bring up the weaknesses
@@Xx-jumpshot_edits The truth is they trying not to spoil the show and the problem with that they like this character been here since 2021. But the whole invincible series have been around 2003 and ended 2014.
@@alexanderjones-jy8hh Technically speaking, isn't it a lie to say Bardock could blow up a planet? Sure, he has a power level around King Vegeta who did blow up planets, but we never see Bardock do the same in the manga or specials. By that logic, given the whole gun thing, we never really see Omni man destroy a planet either. All this means that by proxy of "I didn't see it so it didn't happen" both combatants loose a lot of potential fears. Basically any fear that is power scaled by proxy of another is void by this logic for both.
Already a debunk? Death battle is truly back
If you dont care about bardocks opponent then you won't understand how bardock lost
It do care about Omni Man I just didn't care about where they scaled him because it didn't matter and after doing some research Death Battle pretty obviously wanked Nolan
@@ProbablyGoku yes they wanked tf out of Nolan, as a dragonball fan AND invincible fan, they didn't even mention my boy space rider destabilizing planet viltrum, but we also must understand that bardock in the grand schemes of things, isn't that strong, some one like Vegeta or namek Goku would be a better match personally
@@ProbablyGoku they used cannon bardock and gave him super Saiyan, it still wouldn't matter, they should have used the bardock special, or heros bardock
@@deltanogs4990buddy the bardock special is LITERALLY why they gave him ssj fiytb😂
@@ioriyagami347 it's NOT that bardock.
Listen I haven't even seen the fight because i already know who was gonna win, its pretty obvious now who death battle gonna pick ti win theur fights and ut pretty clear that death battle is not a real fight channel. I dont understand why people still watch their videos
WHAT IT JUST CAME OUT!
@@Mr._Anonymous342 Perhaps