CANIBUS DIDN'T BLOW UP BUT EMINEM DID?? & MATH DID ENINEM DISS RECORD FOR BENZINO??? DROP A COMMENT
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"Every warrior has an axe to bury
But he has to learn to discern between enemy and adversary
I said to myself, Germaine, this is insane
It's suicide, it's controlled flight into terrain"
-Canibus reflecting on self sabotage
Krino
Canibus didn’t know how to make radio songs, Em did. It’s not that complicated
Gone till November remix was a radio song... Redman & Scarface didn't make radio songs... Canibus was blackballed by Def Jam, once Second Round KO came out
Nah, It's more complicated than that. Em was a white guy who was down and had the approval of the most "gangster" rappers in hip hop. Every white person that listened to gangster rap in the 90s suddenly had a champion, and he was dope. Not to mention he had the backing of one of the most powerful teams in the industry at that time. I still remember hearing his song on the radio the first time, the fact that he was white was a big deal. They played into this, and it was genius. Canibus never stood a chance against that, his beef with LL definitely didnt help his career as far as connections in the industry go.
But Canibus went on to write argubably the most advanced lyrics the genre has ever seen.
@@Joesireyou definitely right Eminem was dope take nothing away from but him being white definitely helped his career a lot which he even admitted Canibus would’ve definitely had a better push if he was white not saying he would’ve been on Eminem level
@@nastynaz3376 Redman and scarface songs were played on the radio both of them had big singles. Canibus just came out 6 years too late, just being lyrical wasn't gonna cut it in 99.
Only reason Em is somebody was because he had Dre, That's the truth
Zino is delusional..also they have him sitting on a telephone book? 😂😂😂
Stop it 😂😂😂 I’m crying
It's those boosters for little kids 😅
hey stop it hahaaaaaaaaaaaa
Eminem had the better introduction then was right in the middle of Dre's resurgence. When Ems second album hit it was perfectly timed with the upcoming tour. That up in smoke tour was something special. Never be duplicated
EM was Dre's resurgence*
I can't argue with that. Em got more exposure also than any artist. MTV gave Eminem there channel for an entire weekend and called it Emtv. Tell me that wasn't favoritism.
@@phlyerthanyou5387I remember Hot 97 gave Jay-Z their whole weekend called The Takeover Weekend on the radio station and don't play any of Nas records. It's not like it's never happened before in the world of music
@@HDX21 Yes, but that was NY and their artist. MTV was a network. This was regional.
@@phlyerthanyou5387 That's not favoritism that's good business. You think MTVs board of governors and investors were like oh we love this Em guy? No they were like this Em guy is popping and everyone is requesting him we need to capitalize on this and sell more ads
C'mon now, Em signed to dre and canibus signed to Wyclef, enough said
Not to mention at that time wyclef was a bigger name than dr dre
@@nylgnd38 true, but dre's beats are much better, even at the beginning of aftermath, not to mention the work he did on "The Firm" 🎧
@atterburyeagle6299 yup, but at that time, Dre was on a decline the aftermath compilation plus the "firm flop" had people writing him off meanwhile wyclef came off the fugees score album plus the carnival album 👀👀 I mean clef was on 🔥🔥🔥🔥 at the time
@@nylgnd38 very true, but still dre, no pun intended survived the waves and got his just dues, do to not only being fucked outta one contract but two, and still delivered hip hop some of the best music not only one genre but others, while Wyclef is very well respected but not on the same level as dre, thus making him and em, the better decision.
@@atterburyeagle6299 all facts
97'-98' Canibus was untouchable.
Also, 99'-2000
FAX
BILLSHIT. He was VERY TOUCHABLE..... LL murdered his ass. Need I go on???
Canibus Would’ve been perfect with Def jam/Def squad 🔥 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 Could you imagine the shxt Erick sermon would’ve cooked up for him?
@@Cynicalbastard22 FAX!!!!
Canibus was a "Pure" spitter. 1 of the best to ever bless a mic 🎤 but his problem was he couldn't make a HIT record. That was the difference with Em and Canibus.
its really that simple
Well said, Canibus was a lyrical monster, but he just wasn't a hit maker.
i just listen to his freestyles. them songs was ass
Canibus can’t write songs
Eminem wasn’t making hits either… Until he got with Dre.
People in the industry didn't like Bus as they said he was hard to work with. I heard this from a woman who was Busta Rhymes A&R at the time. He also made plenty of artistic missteps and had the wrong people backing him if the goal was to blow up, which I don't think it really was.
Dude I bartend at the Hard Rock Hotel in NYC, and we hosted a private party for the staff of the Rock The Bells Festival (which is run by LL Cool J) at the beginning of the month, and an A&R woman for LL overheard another bartender and I talking about the LL and Canibus feud from way back, and she said that Canibus knew nothing about loyalty in the context of being another artist's protege and that he committed career suicide sooner than any other rapper in history at that time by going up against LL when he did.
and he is very very arrogant in a jamaican way
Don’t let Mecca see this comment lmao
Eminem blew up before Canibus because he had substance that created his fan base. He spoke on things that his fans could relate to. Canibus was dope af and he could possibly body Em. But he didnt have that connection to the fans that Em had.
Eminem dismantled canibus on multiple tracks lol. Christ
He had the streets. Thats the difference.
@@doncardi8699canibus didn’t have the streets lol … if anything he had a street lol. Canibus has never been universally liked…he’s championed amongst a certain type of rap fan … while Em had an entire race behind him plus other hip hop fans. Big diff
Nah he jus had dre be real
@@prettylaurynn lol good point. Dre makes a big difference.
Only difference is that Eminem can actually write songs which was canibus biggest weakness
Exactly. The same could be said for The Game. Game is a great rapper but not necessarily a great songwriter on his own. I grew up listening to metal and progressive rock and didn't get into rap until well after high school and the same basic principle in regards to songwriting can be applied there as well. The common listener doesn't care if you can play a million notes or play some ridiculous poyrhythmic groove in some undiscovered time signature. That isn't going to sell albums, but what is is a simple, catchy, and memorable melody/hook that gets stuck in your head, and Em was the master of marrying technical lyrical skill with infectious hooks.
Canibus can write songs as well. Canibus songs have more depth and layers. It's just alot of people are not intelligent enough to appreciate it.
@@blah9664🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡ok buddy 😭😭😭you really pulled the intelligence card
@@brodieyake7735you're crazy... Game? Stop
I hate when ppl do this… Eminem made better music than Canibus… they was both nice but Canibus jus wasn’t making better songs.. it wasn’t a race thing
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Also he was extremely hard to work with
Marketing plays factor in it all tho.
and he was white
@@thdoom81hell nah if you was gifted wit the mic then you got it 💯
Canibus and Em, at their peaks, were neck and neck lyrically. There's a reason people wanted to see them battle. Canibus didn't take off simply because people couldn't relate to his content. There was absolutely a lane for him, but it was in the Redman/ Def Squad lane. Everyone loved his bars, but his songs didn't connect with the majority of the people. Em however had an entire race behind him, content you had never really heard and he was backed by the culture. Nobody was beating that back then..
Canibus was nowhere near em lyrically. I love him but he wasn't as witty with his bars. They were hard but they were predictable
absolutely not true. From '98-2003 they were literally even in terms of bars. It's ok to be an Em fan, but let's be objective. For every Em "freestyle" (because that's what they called them back then) I can find a Canibus freestyle to match it.. and vice versa. EVERYONE who was a fan of BARS wanted to see them battle because they were that close in skill. This is just a fact
Didn't em and canibus trade shots 🤔. Not full on battle but they had lines for each other. I got no bias because I wasn't a heavy lyrical miracle guy. But I def knows lines were exchanged. It would have been dope, but LL situation kind derailed his momentum. He had a better diss, but LL had a machine behind him and LL indirectly kind of slowed canibus whole campaign down. The album being wack made it even worst smh 🤦
@@blaackouut9844definitely true
Lyrics and storytelling not the same thing, canibus had bars but he couldn’t paint a picture with words or tell a story like ‘‘em he wasn’t even close. Eminem’s songs were a movie canibus just had bars there is a huge difference
There's more to being a great rapper than just being gifted lyricist...
I remember back then around '99 Eminem was mainstream all over MTV with comical videos + Dre droppin Chronic 2001, Em was basically Pop music and the entire world paid him attention. Canibus was more underground spitter. But in '98 the anticipation for his album to drop amongst DMX Nore Big Pun Cam'ron etc was intense. But his debut was a bit of an anticlimax so when Eminem dropped around '99 Canibus weren't at that mainstream level and his next album 2000 B.C (100 Bars 🔥) dropped in 2000 only Hardcore Hip-Hop heads were paying him attention and he faded into the deep deep underground. Don't pretend we didn't see this in everyday life back then where white brothers had all the support & opportunity handed to him but the black brother with the same or better skills was not and left to fade & rot. White people lived on a different plateau back then, a different world. It's was like the Blind Side. When Black & White unite, major things take place.
Well said.
Canibus didn't blow up bcuz niggas always say they don't wanna hear that lyrical shit. Meanwhile the rest of the world wanted to hear lyrics and supported eminem because they related him. We do it to ourselves
Mad niggas were lyrical though and got support. Big L, Biggie, Pun etc.
Exactly
@@kevin084life Big L didn't get any support. His first album(a dope album btw) had low sales and he was dropped from Columbia. People jumped on the Big L phase AFTER his unfortunate murder. People are fake. Only the true underground heads were buying Big L Fat Beats 12" releases
@@allpositivenetwork nas didn't get any support for his 1st album. the reality is cannibus first album was trash and enimen first album is a dam classic. its about making music not battle rap not who is the most lyrically so just stop.
When it comes to lyrical rappers, it’s plenty out there.
Some can layer story telling with the lyrics,
Some can add crazy punchlines,
Some got creative patterns and flows.
And let’s not forget beats and production.
Em was a dope mc who knew how to write music, Bis was just a dope mc.
There's your difference on why one made it and the other didn't... simple as that.
Em wasn't no damn MC you sigma rip off, Don't believe everything your God tells you to
Nonsesnse. Canibus is over 15 albums deep. Over 3000K songs.
@@thisisanewusername4662🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡he can’t write songs can you not read
I've been listening to hip-hop since the 80's. And I don't care how lyrical you are. If cannot take those super lyrical barz and make an actual song with them. You will not make it in hip-hop aka Cannibus. And Wyclef produced Cannibus's first album. When that flopped cannibus literally just disappeared. His biggest claim to fame is his beef with LL.
I can always tell how much someone knows about Canibus based on how they spell his name 😂 no, Canibus didn't "disappear" after his first album.
@@shall7277 What has he done musically? Other than that 🗑️ battle he had vs dizaster. What has he done music wise since he came out? You sound like canibus has dropped 4-5 classic albums.
@@shall7277 You must be referring to those 13 Solo joints that nobody has ever of. Maybe just maybe he has a possible 2-3 decent albums out of those 13. But like I said his biggest highlight of his career was his beef with LL. Once that went away in my Tsu Surf voice, "AND THEN WHAT?!"
@@shall7277right! People heard his first 2 albums maybe and thinks he disappeared or hasn’t made any contribution to hip hop. The problem is most don’t know of it. But it’s there.
I did a top 40 Canibus track list but here are 10 of them that are pretty dope.
1. CPTN Cold Crush
2. Lyrical Noir
3. Poet Laureate ll
4. Golden Terra of Rap
5. Poet Laureate Infinity
6. Buckingham Palace
7. Nationwide Ruckus
8. Spartibus
9. Hip Hop BlackOps
10. Dr C PHD
Remember how they said the beats were wack on Canibus albums?
Eminem Albums minus ALL 5 Dre productions: Hold My Beer
Exactly
Everything between SSLP & Recovery he had Dre, Bass Brothers, Mr. Porter contributing to production on various records. Em himself handled 99% production on The Eminem Show (outside of 2 Dre tracks). Just Blaze, Boi-1da, Mr. Porter, DJ Khalil & Rick Rubin did the beats for everything Recovery going forward. So I call 🧢 on your comment which shows you never really listened to any of his albums.
@@joshingram071 one thing I'll give you credit for is that i never really listened to Em's albums.......(I'll finish your statement) ---> after listening to them in FULL for the first time. His music ages like milk. Good but I never had NO INTENTIONS in listening to an Em album from front to back after the first time. Now YOU on the other hand rushing into the comments as if the hip hop community praises Em's albums for the beats like some sort of Kanye album. I call 🧢 on THAT
Im from Canada and EVERYONE had that canabis cd with 2nd round knockout on it
Zino is losing a lot of sleep from envy
I tell you Zion ja rule relieving past trauma on expert opinions Irv on drink champs.
@@davon4470 yep
Canibus was ahead of his time and his style i belive was not handle correctly fars the art part and bad bussines moves 😮
I would never claim to be no, Ray Benzino
Did Zino not just admitted to asking for other ppl to diss Eminem but also using ghostwriters?? Kkkk
Cannabis problem was he folded after the disses and problems that came with fame and similar to the way when he pulled the notes on the battle scene... If he had stuck and tried again he may had risen
You acting like nobody knew people was writing benzino shit
Lets not forget Canibus acknowledged he fk'd up the relationship with Em.
@@jwilliams1582 "knowing" and having he adimit are 2 different things, and worst is admit using ghostwrriter for disses!! kkkk
Imagine Drake admitting in a interview his Push T diss was Ghostwrriten, we "know" he have ghosts but we don't know what or when he used
@@Batolsai drakes whole persona is ghost written. hes an actor.
Drake isn’t part of that talk but u’re right about the pressure, the rappers who couldn’t take it didn’t make it
Just an honest opinion
Cannibus didn't blow up for the same reason that 99% of battle rappers dont blow, you can have all the bars in the world but if you cant make songs people want to listen to you aint gonna make it. It is what it is. This whole "whoa is me, why did he make it and i didnt" shit is super corny. Its life.
I agree with you. But Canibus was just the other battle rapper. A producer can make or break an artist.
Facts
*Eminem starting off as a battle rapper and wacky trailer park white boy praising the Legend's of hip hop*
*White people, like you, pillage & colonize hip hop like have been doing since the Spanish Empire ages*
*Remove's our Legend's and put's there Singular Omnipotent Eminem God in place*
*White boy rapper's begin dominating after turning hip hop in a colony*
"Yeah, were the originator's as white people and our say matter's because we pioneered this, Not country, pop or any other wack music genre not even WE wanted" Foh
eminem popped because his core empathized and connected with the vulnerability and honesty in his music - him being dead nice lyrically was just icing on the cake
Eminem talked about bullshit, and still does. He blew up because druggy white kids liked a talented white boy talking about controversy.
Benzino got some real trauma associated with "College".
"But if the only reason I blowed is 'cause I'm white though Why don't every other white rapper sell what I sold?" Eminem
Because they don't have Dre production
@@shall7277 master mason name should be a clue?????????
@shall7277 so was dr dre cosign/production or his whiteness more important 🤔
@@jman1562001 Dr. Dre heard the talent first, and then knew he could make MONEY off his color 2nd, and then realized he actually could make songs 3rd. The rest is history. But let's not act like white artists don't have a cheat code in sports and showbusiness. If you're black and you have the talent of Denzel Washington, you're Denzel Washington. If you're white with the talent of Denzel Washington, your Denzel's boss. If you're white with the talent of Shia LaBeouf, you're Denzel Washington.
@@shall7277What about Bubba Sparxx he had Timbaland production.
He didn't blow up or Lil Wyte with that Three 6 Mafia cosign?
If those artists I mentioned had Dre they Still would be sitting on the shelves .
Just look at what Dre did with Nas & The Firm or Rakim?
Eminem would've still been successful if he was in Bubba Sparxxx or Lil Wyte situation.
But would Bubba Sparxx or Lil Wyte be a powerhouse on Dre's label?
I don't think so.
There's alot of non black rappers out today repping gangs and using the n-word/ being culture vultures that need checkin. Em has earned his stripes in my opinion
At this point Math should just drop the Em diss he's been talking about for YEARS.
Seriously. He won't tho. Because he might beat em in a str8 up battle (maybe, idk that. People just talk about him as if he's the best ) but he's not TOUCHING him in a back and forth diss track for diss track. It's just not happening. You give Em some time to "connect those puzzle pieces" and it's fuckin OVER WIT
Nah Em would fuck him up,ik he wants to drop it so bad but Math know what Em is capable of doing remember when he said if Eminem is gonna come at battle rappers he's gonna blame clips and hitman in that interview he said it would not be a good idea if he drop that diss
It's all about music, let's be real, canibus is a great lyrcist but his music isn't really good in my opinion. Eminem made great relatable music, canibus did not, You can be the most lyrical rapper ever but you have to make good music. 50 cent isn't the most lyrical rapper ever but he made good sounding music with catchy hooks and dope beats, tupac wasn't super lyrical also but made music people can relate to and made some great sounding and apealling music, threw some rnb cats on the hook and had some dope beats. Canibus music doesn't really hit
Canibus biggest mistake was not making songs with relatable concepts . His songs were too scientifical . Also he didnt know how to balance his album with commercial radio singles and underground singles ….Plus all his songs had tons of metaphors and not enough story telling songs . …..Canibus is still on my top 10 .
He in your top 10 😂😂😂😂
@dewaynejunior338you’re crazy. His Rip the Jacker album was flawless. Not a made for radio album but Canibus rapping fire over an album full of Stoupe beats was fantastic
@dewaynejunior338yes and Canibus didn't have no HIT record....great features, great skills, but terrible production and left field concepts. That wasn't going to relate to the masses to sell major units. And it doesn't help even more when you in beef with LL Cool J who ended quite a handful of careers before hand😂😂😂.
Scientific...😂😂😂
But your point is 100% correct bruh
@@hippipdipClassic. My most listened to album of his.
Canibus was definitely a problem but wyclef didn't know what do to wit him
Canibus was blackballed by the music industry.That's why he didn't blow up like he should've.
I wouldn't say blackballed. He was nice as hell on the mic, but couldn't make great songs, he had terrible production on his album, and some people said he was very difficult to work with.
@@antoniolewis I totally disagree.
Canibus was a lyrical genius with his rhyme schemes,metaphors,punchlines and subject matters.
Canibus have a unique ability of educating and intriguing fans with his technical skills on the mic.
And that is the reason why the music industry had to blackball him.
Canibus is a much more advanced emcee than your average rapper.
The music industry is very strategic about not letting emcees like Canibus become mainstream.
Because people like Canibus have the power in his music to wake the masses up to a higher level of thinking and consciousness.
And that is something that the higher ups can't afford to allow.
And as far as his production goes,it's not terrible to me.
I really like Canibus production sound.
And as far as some people saying that he is difficult to work with,well I would expect a very talented and skillful artist like Canibus to be uptight.
Because you can tell by his lyrical techniques that he is a master of his craft/work ethic.
Canibus was THE topic in 97... A little bit of 96 too with that Music Makes Me High remix. Canibus came out the gate different. Its like yesterday you never heard of him and today... Hes on 30 verses on 34 different mixtapes. Hes track 4 on Clue, track 1 on Ron G, track one on Envy, track 2 on Big Mike, track 4 on Absolute... Thats day 2 now, remember yesterday you didnt know who this nigga was. Day 5... On a song with Lost Boyz and Dogg Pound... Day 7 another song with Lost Boyz but it also has G Rap and Heltah Skeltah on it. Day 9, Lost Boyz, A+ and Panama PI, Day 10, hes on a remix with Black Rob and Yvette Michelle. Day 12 Tragedy Khadafi, Big Pun & Killa Sha, Day 15 3LW, Day 20, Brian McKnight, Day 31 Common Sense, Day 50 the whole Firm, Day 51, the whole Firm minus Nas cause Nas pulled his verse after hearing Canibus verse (allegedly), day 70... Day... It dont matter, Canibus hit the planet like The tunguska meteorite that hit Russia... And radiated unabated for 3 years and then... They came for him. The industry, LL & Wyclef and he wasnt even 22 yet.
We give Bis a hard time when Rakim and G Rap both at the time are quoted as saying they're most excited about him... In the moment, both the hip hop god's said it was Canibus that wxcited them the most. We dwell alot on hearsay and what we believe we remember but I remember mixtapes being sold out everywhere because he was on it. That wasn't a thing, mixtapes didn't sell out at the mixtape spot, they sold out all the time because there was a Canibus verse in 97... I was there, I walked down the hill from Jamaica high school to Jamaica avenue as fast as I could to pick up the new clue and "sorry kid, sold the last one 2 hours ago but come back Thursday, Clue said he'll be back to drop off some more."
Im reading these comments and I know yall wasnt in NYC during the missle launch that was Canibus. If yall was, y'all was babies and heard about son from your pops a decade later in 2007 maybe but you werent there... You never hewed Seriously or Boys To Men or Making A Name For Ourselves or Bop Your Heads or Ladies & Willies or the 60 minute freestyle with DMX and Nore... I mean heard it live... The set up, conversation before the beat drops and everything. Yall wasn't there, Eminem didnt step out the gate like this... Canibus did it by himself. His machine was his bars, Cheeks and Charles Suitt. Eminem stepped out the gate, no one heard it and then Dre signed him. Em is cool but Canibus was energy in 96. Me and my friends was battling each othwr wirh Canibus, Pun, DMX and Nas bars in the cafeteria in 8th grade because that was the energy whether you want to remember or you cant.
My only beef with Benzino here is... Why didnt he reaxh out to Bis then cause no bullshit, Hangmen3 had some of the hottest beats back then and was a machine when It came to putting out music. Made Men were everywhere so I can't understand why if Benzino feels this way right now... Why didn't he pull this rapper that he clearly respects into his circle back then. Canibus over some of them beats??? All respects to math but he's no Germaine Williams... His should have been the shooter that Benzino was looking for back then.
Damn... I know people reading this and Don't have a clue, don't even know what a DJ Absolute mixtape even is... you had to be there
Truth bars dude!! There has never been an MC who came into the rap game and created so much buzz and had other MC's shook from day 1. Also the way LL went out of his way to derail Canibus career was a damn shame. People forget Canibus was just a young kid trying to break into this rap game. The whole hip hop community (I mean DJ's, MC's, producers etc etc) saw a young extremely talented kid being blackballed and never reached out with support. It's no wonder Bis was scarred from this whole experience. He saw a whole industry turn there back on him.
Dude that is some real talk.
Stfu with all this. Nobody reading this
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Eminem had Dr. Dre. If ANYONE but Wyclef would've signed and mentored Canibus properly, it changes everything.
THANK THE GOD FOR YOU MAN, I've been saying the same shit. Its God's work more and more people are realizing the truth instead of being blinded by Emohim
It’s wild watching a man relive all his mistakes! Literally if he do 2 things different the source might be around still! He’s a joke to the world now
If you(Benzino) wanted Canibus to blow like Eminem, you had all the power with your magazine to help him blow but you didn’t.
Zino is a hiphop connoisseur..i think why Bis didnt blow could be due to
1. Industry politics and certain people not wanting him to blow maybe..
2. The lack of financial muscle and not the equivalent big people behind him to push the movement.
3. Lack of consumer ready pop friendly music
I may be wrong....
Your wrong.
The truth is this. Eminem had Dr. Dre’s co-sign. Period! I don’t care how dope of a lyricist Eminem was, if he didn’t have Dre backing him he would have been a white Ras Kass or Common Sense. That’s a fact! I don’t want to discount his lyrical genius but he had a machine behind him that the others just didn’t have in Jimmy Iovine and Dre. When you’re white in America the world is yours. The Beastie Boys had Def Jam and Run DMC in their corner and they became legendary too and outsold Run DMC! Regarding Canibus he destroyed his entire legacy by having Wyclef Jean produce his music alongside beefing with LL. That was career suicide. The music business is a tricky ride where timing and poor execution can destroy a promising career.
2 completely different types of artists as far as song writing lol like this gotta be top 5 dumbest comparison
Okay stan
Not really, their songs may be different but when it comes to rhyme schemes and complex lyricism they are definitely some similarities
@@kevin084lifeTrue Dat bruh 👏🏽
@@deshawndon2583I'm an Em fan too but even I have to admit Canibus and Eminem can definitely be comparable. Especially lyrically.
No they have the same talent level stop
Math #1 hiphop podcast💪💯💪
If Benzino won the battle somehow, he was actually going to brag and celebrate after using ghostwriters.
And fuck integrity, we need to get this ad 💰 😆. Benzino really can't lie, his intentions just pour out thru and thru. I ain't fuc with college backpacker rappers and that's what created the divide in the Source lol 😂. Yeah he was def making the room uncomfortable 🤣
Canibus was poppin for a few years tho and his first albums platinum
Eminem worshipper's will skip right past this
@@maestrogamersz2120for real dawg 😂
That verse by Canibus on Wyclef’s Gone To November remix was dope as fuck!!! If Canibus did tracks like that with his more raw shit, he might’ve had a chance to blow… Few tracks on his debut are great songs that should’ve blown up too… Get Retarded is one of em!!
Well he got bars and verses. No hooks hot singles or albums rhough. And whaaaqck beats. Als lackning work wirh big names
I have been saying the same when it comes to Bis but ever one rides for Eminem
I’m really hoping Eminem will show up on this channel
i think he is waiting to make it a big deal
Math got a better chance of getting 50 cent on here than eminem.
Em too large
Makes sense how Ben got a 2nd diss track so fast😂 they write it he spits it🤣
Canibus made all the mistakes that Eminem didn't, and as a result their careers took two inevitably different routes.
Like what
@@jerrywilliams3373being black lmao
Word.... Canibus went after LL cool J after that 5 4 3 2 1 thing. And LL is a hip hop living legend. Even though his diss record was alot better than LL's but he was LL so canibus wasn't winning that regardless.
It wasn't just Canibus fault though there's so many Factors. We gotta Dead this Narrative
Em had Dre production, was a better rapper and could write choruses. Stop that race nonsense. Its played out. When MGK and Bubba sell 220 million records and have the respect of all black rappers, come back and talk that talk 😂
haha Benzino reported me for cyberbullying could you believe that lmfao
dude said fuck integrity aint nothing after thathe says matters
Canibus messed his album up by having like 4 or 5 of his legendary freestyle verses on it. Why he didnt succeed like Em, his album wasn't all that, he didnt have the versatility Em did, didnt change his voice, his mood, his flow, his delivery, aggression, cadence, NOTHING.
This brother really hates college 😒
All the way from Memphis
While they are of the same/similar ilk, there is was plenty of seperation between prime Em and Canibus as artists/song writers. And that's the case with a lot of underground rappers he draws comparisons to. Yes he got to thrive in the mainstream in a way that other's couldn't, that is true, but it wasn't just because he was white because if that was the case people like Cage would have thrived as well. I don't think you could have replaced Eminem with any white or black rapper from the underground and gotten the same results commercially or critically. Not Chino XL, not Cage, Not Canibus ect.
I think we can't underestimate how big a cosign it was for Dre to get behind him. Dre the biggest thing in hiphop but he was on low streak at the time. He left death row, the aftermath compilation ain't have no big hits on it, and the narrative of The Firm flopping (even it sold millions) had him under pressure. One more dud and it could have been over. Dre had to come something out of left field and Em success kind of re-energized him and got him back on track.
Exactly, I have been saying this for the longest time:
You have white lyricists like Necro, R.A. The Rugged Man, Cage, and Milkbone.
All good artists, but yet they weren't able to blow up like EM did.
And people try to discredit EM because he signed with Dre, any white artists could've signed with Dre probably would've got shelved just like his other artists.
Eminem just had that it factor, and is very talented it is what it is.
@@jman1562001 Of course we can't underestimate that. The point is though, who could you have plugged into his place? Not Canibus...and it wouldn't have been just because he wasn't white enough. He was never going to be able to ride that fence, neither were any of the other white rappers you could have picked from at the time.
@@21gramsofdope Naw we on the same page it can't just be his whiteness because I don't think any white rapper would have got that love off rip. Look at all the white rappers before Em, Beastie boys, mc seech, vanilla ice, Marky mark 🤣 😂.....them boys was ight but they aint hit like em. Em was like the mfer who broke the matrix.
Bus came on here already and said why his career didn't blow
Eminem = Canibus !! (same style, different results) ~ 🎭
Can y’all please for the love of all humanity get someone who proof reads what they type before posting the title for the video
Zino aka zzzster is one funny dude without even trying, everyone knows someone like him with all the excuses in the world 🌎 it's never his fault either lol
“I was gonna get him to write me a diss record” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I prefer CANIBUS to Eminem 🙅🏾♂️ Easy
Math is a lame rapper for real but i like this podcast. 🤞🏽🙅🏾♂️🤞🏽😁
Easy
" Canibus was BLACKBALLED " 💯
Benzino - Why Didn’t Canibus make it
The truth - LL Cool J 😂
Eminem had one of the best co-signs at that time in Dre. Plus Em had more charisma on his projects.
Nawww it's only cuz he white
Canibus had Wyclef who was bigger at the time then Dre
@@steviejay868 then why didn't Cage blow up? Why didn't RA blow up? How about Brother Ali? Vinnie Paz? I mean I could keep going if ya want...
@@Kiki-xx3fj obviously because nobody knows who those people are 🤷🏽♂️
Canibus is a 1 of 1 . Respect the pen
He said I WAS obsessed lol dudes still obsessed
What point was Benzino trying to convey in this clip? The man was just rambling.
Zino trying to recruit Math to diss EM PATHETIC
Well said Benzino
Canibus is the greatest untold story because even when you know it, you don't know it. How can he be mentioned with the greats constantly but never given the credit? I think Canibus, LL and Eminem should do a track together for the sake of hiphop cause hiphop sucks badly now.
💯🎯🔥
God that song would suck lol
lol exactly...that would be soo corny@@Jbcomedystl
Hip hop doesn’t suck
No mainly lyrical dudes around that time ever blew up. Has Mos Def , Common, or any of the other lyricist lounge or dudes associated with Rawkus gone platinum, let alone gold? It’s a whole bunch of dudes other than Canibus. Em was the ONLY one to blow up, so that whole ‘these dudes can’t write good records’ was bs. People didn’t wanna hear lyrical black dudes. It’s just what it was. Some sold just enough and were respected enough to stay a float. I remember trying to get so many people to listen to Common’s LWFC and hardly no one wanted to even give it a shot even though it was a dope album with great songs. Smart black dudes somehow people don’t wanna here, but when Marshall Mathers LP came out a couple months later, no one hesitated to listen to it. To me it was mediocre partly because Common and J Dilla had set the bar for me at that time, but it doesn’t matter when people don’t want to give you a fair listen.
good points.
Canibus was hot as blue flame on the streets but his debut album destroyed his huge buzz.
it just wasn't what we were waiting for
Beats was garbage 😮
Eminem is a songwriter too, not just a rapper. Canibus is a dope rapper, Eminem is a once in a generation artist.
The hate on Em fest continues lol he’s the goat give it up
I have to agree with Beenzino on this one because I watch this podcast a lot and whenever there’s a conversation about dope emcees, they never bring canibus name up, so do they really fuck with him?
Canibus was blackballed because he destroyed LL. They couldn't admit he got the better of him so they blackballed him instead. They silence dissent in hip-hop just like politics.
benzino always talks about this college vs street divide and i think it is because he feels inadequate due to not going to college.
Nah, some street dudes think they hot shit because they became successful without going to college and surpassing people who went to college and got their degrees. Especially if these street dudes own a company and got college graduates working for them.
Yeah 50 cent just said that very same thing in a recent interview. He looked at the camera and pointed at One off his assistants went to Harvard.
Em songs was never mainstream and was weird canibus was going in the same lane wit weird rhymes but he was black he can only do what the label push
Most a em songs was main stream..wat u talking bout..n he had music videos for most a dem
Canibus didn't rhyme weird. He rapped intellectually
@@IslandmonGanjamonNot at first clown
@@kamfisher1714 hush yr bombocloth
FACTS
It's good to see Benzino is still able to speak after choking for so long on his pitiful attempts at dissing Em, and trying to do something sort of like rap but not really while naked (Still tryna' unsee that)
Em ripped out his soul jeesh!
A real battle rapper can have that effect 😂
All I'll say is em was in the brick city with the outsiderz and that's all he needed
Canibus had Wyclef Eminem had Dre that was the difference
along with the fact that eminem could write songs and cannibus doesnt all he knows is battle rappin that dont translate to hits
Hip Hop is in the Army now!
Did you hear Canibus 1st album? It was below average. Slim Shady LP on the other hand....
I wish Benzeno didn't mention EM SO much.. he’s got way more history than that ….
They ask him and he answers so stfu
Chino xl is the one who everybody forgot about at that time. Cannibus was alright. Chino influenced so much of the culture.
Em budgets were bigger & his production was better. Canibus is still nasty tho. A better battle would b sticky fingaz vs canibus!😮😮🤔💯👀
Math needs new topics. Should be on Shade45 the amount Em comes up.
Stg
It ain’t what you know. It’s who you know.
The hip-hop artists that blow up aren't necessarily the best emcees. They're the ones who know how to write songs that people like, not simply have the best bars. I love Travis Scott. Is he the greatest lyricist? No. But that's fine. Eminem is both a great lyricist and a great songwriter. That's why he's a superstar.
Yo Jose was one of the kitchen CO's when I was doing a quick little skid bid in MDC Brooklyn back in 06
Canibus is not a good song writer. Him and Wyclef didn’t work. Eminem was a good song writer. Em and Dre obviously worked.
Benzino acts like he's never seen a Black person w a regular 9-5. Everybody who was not in the Armed Forces or College sold drugs???😂
I'm an eminem "stan" that does not respect benzino, but his almighty rso shit from the 80s and 90's something every hip hop fan should check out. I feel like nobody knows the old boston scene anymore
CANIBUS > eminem .. ALL DAY .. EVERYDAY .. AND TWICE ON SUNDAY ..
Ouch. That's horrible
It's not horrible. Just an opinion.
EMINEM > canibus .. ALL DAY .. EVERYDAY .. AND TWICE ON TUESDAY ..
Where is Canibus? Lol where is Em stop being filled with hate
No one in Africa, Asia or Europe knows who tf that is 😂. Em tho...diff story
Reading the comments I see a lot of y’all didn’t watch the episode when Canibus was featured. Not only that, almost all haven’t followed him his whole career to say certain things.
I’m seeing a lot of misinformed chatter here. Doesn’t really matter though. Canibus name is Nobody. (Pun to a mixtape he released)
Eminem knew how to make a song like Stan and had a persona that no one seen before, Canibus didn’t pretty simple concept as to why one blew up and the other didn’t
Redman had that crazy comical persona. Big did also. More people just gravitated towards Em. Sorry, dude was not revolutionary with the shock value stuff.
@@chadalahio8266 not talking the shock value rap I’m talking the persona slim shady it worked
@@chadalahio8266 True. Big L was doing that heavy violent, satanic shit way before Em was. The thing Em had was VERSATILITY!
Benzino whole career is Eminem dissing him lmao
Wow. Crazy stories
Zino takes forever to stay on topic
can't w8 4 the full episode
Benzio is right they dont talk about canibus. Yea he was on the show but like he said after that they wont mention him. And math's goofy response was "i took shots at canibus for years" smh.