12ga. Sabot FLECHETTE that REALLY impressed us
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- Today we test out another design by Alexey Lavrov (PhD). These use a refined sabot design, as you may recognize the dart style from a few years ago. We decided to load these so they will be subsonic. Normally that means the results will be lackluster but we were VERY impressed what these little flechettes (darts) could do.
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I love how the 12 gauge is such a bizarre round. From dragons breath to basically armor piercing you can load anything that will fit in the shell.
Hell yea bro literally anything nails, screws, nuts, blades, hell even your moms travel sized vibrator
@@Its_Captain_Jack_Sparrow Reminds me of the time we thought it would be a good idea to load CO2 cylinders.
That's a lot of words to say 12 ga is wide.
@@gamerman7276 in the most simplest way yes.
It is very wide.
It is why it is called a shot gun.lol
home made APFSDS
Now we just need to make the shotgun look like a tank 😅
shotgun is literally small tank gun💀👍
Seizure?
@@michael9679 APFSDS stands for Amour Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot. It's one of the main anti-tank rounds used by M1A1 Abrams tanks.
@@lonewolf0712 ok thanks
Certainly, the most impressive performance from flechette rounds I've ever seen. Accuracy was WAY off the charts! I think they are ready for commercial production.
I totally agree very impressed my self!
I really appreciate that you and Greg take the testing seriously, without taking yourselves too seriously.
Lots of fun to watch
Agree. The gun world has waaaaay too many tactical prima donnas try to act like bad--ses.
thanks Jerry and Luv
@@LuvBorderCollies right lol. I just wanna watch things go boom. Not wanna be swat
@@taofledermaus love the chanel and love the brass plate shots in slowmo
100% perfect comment
Just take a moment to consider this: a fragmenting hollow point flechette. Sounds like something out of a sci-fi movie.
Don't forget the sabot, lol.
It looks and more importantly acts like something out of a sci-fi movie.
@@jerryfick613 Don't forget the stabilizing fins; you got your LPPFSDSF (lead plate penetrating fin-stabilized discarding sabot flechette) and you got your HPFSDSF (hollow point fin-stabilized discarding sabot flechette).
Seems every time Jeff and OG bring on a new round from Mr. Lavrov we have to say he outdid himself AGAIN!
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Every time nay sayers tell me "we'll never get flechettes to work no matter how much we want to, we've tried for decades in several military weapons programs, they just don't work", I'll show them this. There's still things left to learn and in turn improve.
At subsonic speeds this could be used with a suppressor which is kind of scary suppressed round penetrate armor
Agreed, you wouldn't even hear where it came from.
Perfect for a hitman.
Hitmen don't care about noise
@@m7rtim532 They do if they want to get away unnoticed.
I doubt it would work well with suppressor as the sabot would likely begin separating in the first blast chamber and would then get caught on the first set of baffles.
The search seems to be complete. A shotgun projectile that behaves much like a rifle round. A long distance trajectory map at a higher velocity would have added dimension to the video. Great work!
I saw this video, looked at my wife and my only words were. “They did it” lol I’ve been trying
I wonder if they Fly well at any Distance? Or With a 1500 FPS plus load … the weight of these makes it possible to fire them with a high FPS …I like to see more of these rounds tested….they are Very impressive…
I was thinking the exact same thing. Wondering what kind of armor penetration this could have with a hotter load lol so man innuendos smh.
You’ll want to look into SPEW, a U.S. project from the Cold War that was part of the development of the 5.56 NATO round.
The flechettes were generally very functional when they didn’t break. But they broke frequently, but I think that’s probably because the action was simply too violent.
I kinda think the magic of these is that they are subsonic. I think if you went supersonic with them the sabot wouldn't want to discard cleanly and I doubt they'd be stable if it did.
It would be interesting to see how they perform at 12-1700 fps
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I was absolutely shocked that it penetrated that 32 lb lead even after watching it go through that military grade tactical vest but that hollow-point what it did to the meat and the ballistics gel wow those are some immensely powerful rounds! great vid keep up the good work guys 👍
These two projectiles certainly warrant further testing.
True... Wonder if it stops a bear with one shot.
That sigh after OG says, "Ran a train!" made me laugh a bit more than it should have!
With the Austin Powers pinky gesture pulled straight from 1997 haha
@@theguything So many good one liners in that film!
Almost as good as "punched through like Ray Rice". That might be the best OG line.
@@bmstylee 😆👍
I thought Geoff with a J was about to give up then lol
If I recall, the small mirror helped with taking more accurate selfies in the earlier days of cell tech.
when i was young, it felt like a cool gimmick, and took more pictures with those than ever with a front camera on the newer ones.
This might be one of the best performing projectiles you have tested lately.
Brass is a fantastic material.
I was thinking the same thing. Is it “Just Me?” or have we seen this type of shell fail often before? Looks like the “Cameraman” Geoff has got his magic and science dialed in.
I want some of these. That energy dump is AWESOME 👌
“Performing” what application? Killing people in body armour? Why though? Why would you ever need that?
@everything will be ok because life comes at you fast. sometimes.
Those things are shockingly effective and because of the light loads it would be devastating in an automatic shotgun in close quarters combat. 😬
Mixed loads would overwhelm anything you could reasonably face.
An AP version could be made from tungsten.
It's a game changer.
This ammo with dragons breath would be a nice combination
for theatrics or for a ballistics purpose? magnesium doesnt dont much besides make an impressive light show@@Kholly-ur5di
Where can I get some?
could only load subsonic feasibly, see: SPEW a us military 5.56 sabot project. the brittleness of tungsten cause breakages no matter what the discarding sabots were made of, might be different with the thickness of 12ga but i would lean to subsonic anyway, this in a saiga 12 with a suppressor would be a plate cracker
Wish those were sold commercially. I'd definitely buy some.
Man that was really shocking. I'm used to seeing flechettes, even ones that are sabot stabilized, being wildly inaccurate and tumbling and just not being effective. Some amazing work there by Alexei, and you did one heck of a job loading them so that they performed well.
Also, I think it would be really cool (and shocking) if you and OG traded places for one video. You shoot and he man the camera. Just as a surprise for us all.
That would be a good April Fools video, where the whole thing is just messed up and out of focus and pointing at the wrong thing.
@@counterfeitsaint7479 exactly what I was thinking when I said that
Yeah when they work they are amazing I guess it's just hard to get them right.
@@johnfroehling5653 yeah they are just very hard to get perfect. I can't remember why, but it's really cool to see when they are right.
@@michellewilt4479 getting maximum force to the projectile without ripping off the fins or damaging the sabot petals is why its so hard. If the petals are the least bit damaged it could stick to a fin or cause asymmetric separation nudging the dart in a random direction.
These rounds perfectly exemplify why the Armor Piercing, Fin Stabilized, Discarding Sabot rounds are the mainstay of our M1A Abrams MBT fleet.
Hats off to the Alexi for such amazing projectiles. Great job loading the rounds, and awesome video, guys!
APFSDS
HEAT FS is my favorite
you mean apdfds
Now we need to do this with Depleted Uranium
Pretty much all modern tanks uses smoothbore gun for that purpose not only M1A Abrams. using a sub-caliber projectile allows for extremely high muzzle velocity.
The irony of a show like this being made in California, still continues to amaze me :-).
Not many laws against shotguns because they're extremely rarely used for shootings nowadays
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@@shadow50011 it’s California i’m surprised they haven’t been FPS Russiaed.
I haven't had high expectations on these flechettes, so I was all the more surprised by the excellent accuracy and penetrating power. Really impressive.
Very impressive projectiles. Sub-sonic and still penetrating the lead plate. Who would have thunk it :)
thanks! I expected them to stick into the lead plate like a dart in a dart board!
I still would have liked to see a bit higher powder load simply so we could see how they behave supersonic.
*thunk*
Drill out the tip and insert a hardened steel tip came to my mind.
I woulda thunk it. Penentration happens from flow which happens from a pressure gradient. It's a function of stuff like mass, velocity, cross section surface area, hardness of the projectile, hardness and thickness of the target and resulting impulse from deceleration.
Personally, I'm impressed with the accuracy and precision.
I remember when i used to try to explain the interesting complexities, and questions, about ballistics to folk who weren't much in the know...then there was fledermice. I don't bother saying much, these days, till after I've sent the links. Then you wait a few days for them to catch up, and jump ahead to far meatier, more interesting, subject depths. Half the time, there's another video on the channel, to flush that out aswell. This is the wealth of information i used to dream about
These were really impressive. When I saw they were made by Alexey, I had a feeling they’d be special. The guy makes some really good stuff. Thanks for showing them!
Glad you like them!
It's basically APFSDS for shotguns (Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot is mostly found in some tank loadouts)
all tanks
@@windowsxp7460 Not all tanks. Pretty much all modern tanks have it, but defiantly not all of them a some don't have a cannon that fires APFSDS.
@@PilotTed which modern tanks don't fire apfsds?
@@windowsxp7460 Any of the tanks that don't have a smooth bore barrels. The British still use rifled barrels so they can use HESH (High Explosive Squash Head) rounds
@@sheepuswoolius they still mainly use apfsds
The dad jokes are strong in this one. Lol. I hope to some day get to come down and shoot with you guys.
Hope everyone is staying safe and staying well.
If you are in the area, let us know and we'll try to make it happen.
@@taofledermaus i have someoneone else in CA that i need to visit at some point. So this may be possible
@@taofledermaus this an open invitation for all viewers? ;)
@@jawms I can see it now. 3 years from now the Taofledermaus viewers week will dwarf Burning Man...You guys need to book space in the Black Rock Desert.😉 We can make this happen!
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I dont know what i expected, but i cant say i'm surprised. It's basically a 12 Ga SLAP round, no wonder it penetrates even when subsonic.
the lead plate is just such a great target imo, it shows just so much of the ammo's characteristics in an easy to understand way
I think that's one of the most remarkable rounds you've ever tested. This was spy / sci-fi stuff in the seventies and eighties, and when I got older, I was so disappointed they didn't exist. And now you have flechettes that don't just work, but work well.
Imagine what a supersonic, tungsten alloy variant can do !
Too heavy. Tool steel would work just fine.
@@theflyingwelshman5338 works just fine in 105mm and 120mm tank guns.
@@ScottKenny1978 not the same as a shotgun tho?
@@hitmonkey2984 tank guns are a lot higher pressure, 80-90kpsi. But a shotgun should be able to do 1600-2000fps without exceeding safe pressure.
OK, a hollow point flechette is the most terrifying round I've seen so far.
For the next test of the Flechettes should be a range test out to as far as they will fly accurately and penetration test at range as well! Maybe start at 25 and work up to 100 yds!
I agree
The terminal ballistic performance was surprisingly good for both the penetrating and expanding rounds, given that only 10 grains of powder were used resulting in subsonic velocities. It makes me wonder what the performance would be like if the same design was CNC machined from solid brass (or cast brass for production rounds), with a solid base and a shot cup designed to accelerate the projectiles without damage, and 20+ grains of powder for supersonic velocities with an exponential bump in kinetic energy.
I love the TAOFLEDERMAUS channel because you guys are doing the experiments I'd like to do. I'm a hoplophilic engineer with a lot of reloading equipment and I've done many wacky ballistic experiments in the past, but none lately. Thanks for these practical lessons on the lunatic fringe edge of ballistic science.
Thanks! The connection of the brass to the alum fins are the achilles heels for these. I would imagine if they were one piece we'd be able to shoot them a lot hotter.
@@taofledermaus If you had the fins connected to the brass, Do You think it would ever be helpful to have a ever so slight pitch on the fins to induce a rifle effect?
They worked because they where loaded light and where subsonic.
These will tumble at supersonic speeds.
@@sharkey5150 I think the spin is pointless, maybe even making things worse, when you have the fins for stabilization. Modern tank rounds also just fly straight out of a smoothbore.
These rounds are the ammunition equivalent of "a tornado driving a piece of straw through a telephone pole". Amazing!
”Gaping meat hole” was actually the name of my burlesque all male Cancan show group back in the days… 🤣
Just a prediction: Flies like a Dart and sheds fins on impact. Could be cool in ballistic gel test for additional damage. Penetration is going to rely heavily on how cranked up the “ mass Excellerator “ cranked up and how well the sabot forms a seal in the barrel. I give it a 8.5/10 that it will preform extremely well.
I imagine if the fins and, err, massive shaft were machined from one piece that hollow point one would do insane damage at rifle speeds.
*accelerator
As well as clothing, tightness of fit, type of Aluminium, how everything has been treated (or not) and much more.! Uluminium can be very brittle or quite ductile, and not all of that is down to the alloying of the metal its self :)
@Benson if it were from one piece, then wouldn't there be more weight in the rear, affecting balance and stabilization? Especially with the hp. Youd have to hollow out the back. I want to see helical or offset fins to rotate without any choke. Taking arrow principals into the slug world
I feel like this shows we still have stuff to learn about ballistics. This slow little brass tube can clear through stuff some rifle rounds can't, and it doesn't tumble in fluids.
This has got to be one of the coolest ones ever out of all your prototype vids. Those things are stupid impressive. And anyone who knows knows Greg is a fantastic shot. 99% of the time it's the physics of whatever slug he's shooting.
Even funnier than OG jokes is when he really gets Jeff laughing hard with one. It's contagious when Jeff busts out laughing.
I will be 100 percent honest, I thought your channel fell off the face of RUclips until I opened up RUclips today and saw this video. Definitely glad you are still doing your thing. Great job guys
thanks!
I would be very interested to see these with a full powder load.
I think this was a great example of the importance of sectional density!!! I wish he mentioned the diameter of the dart. If I had to guess a roughly .30 caliber at 200+ grains the sectional density should be close to the other rounds. It’s largely the fact it’s brass or copper.
A flechette that’s effective out of a shotgun; it’s like we’re living in the future.
It almost makes Joe Biden's point valid.... Did I just say that?.... I don't think I feel so good....
Hey Jeff and OG! Thanks for all of the great entertainment over the years. The humor, the testing, the interaction with your viewers, and what I can only imagine tons of editing and learning. I'm am terribly sorry for the absence of Danny. I hope everyone is well, and I'll be here for the next video :-) (and most likely this one again). - A Fellow Jeff
thank you Jeffery
Yup.
We miss Danny real-bad...
Thats one of the best tests Ive seen you guys do,Those things are deadly great video see you on the next one
Thanks 👍
That shot through the helmet is extremely impressive, same with the lead plate
I went back and at around 17:09 it looks like there was a shard that broke off and was stuck inside the meat. Regardless, this was a very cool test, I'd like to see some more of these tested at higher velocities.
Yes, I saw this too. I thought around 17:11 but same thing. Looks like one complete 1/4 split segment.
Maybe i might experiment...making a few...
Expanding version for home defense...I can hear the commercial now..."Turn the bad guy into ground chuck, but not worry about shooting someone through the wall! Safety first!"
I love how the aluminum fins are stuck in the lead plate. It's like Alexey autographed his work after yet another successful penetration.
Wow. Alexei is the man! True genius. Good loading too 👍
yup
I absolutely love the shots fired at the blocks of clay in all of your videos... the are beautiful shots in slow motion
Definitely impressed with both 9mm and 12ga testing,,,,,,,,,
Probably one of the most promising looking Slugs I’ve viewed on this channel it has real potential in the hunting and law enforcement scene would really like to see this round made commercial if it can still be accurate at around 1700 to 1900 ft./s
Hunting ? I can see home defense but I think it would perform pretty poorly on any large animal , kinda be like shooting them with a field tip
@@longshotdiedtired1582 I think he was referring to the expanding version, which damn near cut that beef in half.
These seem to fly like a rifle bullet. Would like to see how they would do at a long range target of say 50 yards and how they would preform if fired with a hotter load.
That would be really cool to see. I think they'd drop pretty fast, they're so light and slow, and the drag from the fins is going to start to have a major effect over longer distances. Could even be they'd start to wobble as they slow down.
Good point. Seems to be more to explore here.
Hey guys, some years ago I had the drawings for a very similar dart load, except the shell casing was made of stainless steel and there was a roll crimp (permanent) w cuts for the fins. The shell casing was reusable, the dart sat on a polymer disc which was supposed stay in the shell. This was supposed to be a quiet round. The kit came w the dart & plunger disc, you had to have Maxine or have machined the shell casing. Accurate to 60 yards was claimed. The firing discharge was meant to almost totally contained inside the stainless steel case, the reducing the report.
Insaneo style
There were more accidental innuendos than usual in this video
We wouldn't have it any other way.
I'm really surprised by the performance of these being subsonic! Impressive.
Are you my long lost cousin?
It being sub sonic...add a suppressor to it and have an close range tac shot gun sent down from heaven itself. :))
I'm a degreed engineer and have been shooting and loading ammo for over 40 years and all I can say is that I'm stunned at the results of this. I don't want to call what you did luck. Clearly, it was experience that told you what to load and how to load it but the odds of you getting such spectacular results on each and every shot seemed rather low. It's not that this hasn't been done before on a larger scale, it has, but you were able to make it work right off without blowing the dart apart or any of the million things that would have caused the projectile to fail. Thank god you resisted any temptation to fire one down a rifled barrel.
They may have done OK through rifling IF there was good engagement with the rifling. I doubt there would have been any advantage having the dart spin. We had 10 of these and we shot 10 but in one shot the projectile was blocked by a sabot in the HS footage so I just didn't post that. (video was getting long too)
Sometimes less is indeed more. Being subsonic means very clean release of the discarding sabot.
Nice job and thanks for sharing.
These 3D printed custom sabots are highly underrated.
That background music at the start was so Awesome!...relaxing and soothing, amazing choice guys
Very impressive!
Thank you!
Its like an arrow launcher on steroids. Behaves a lot more like an actual arrow than a firearm projectile. Nice video and great round!
thanks!
If you look carefully on the meat test, while inspecting it, the brass sabot is still in it.
The segments can be adjusted for desired effect, if pushing the round up over 2000 fps you could still get penetration with shorter segments. Flying straight makes for a lot of possibilities
Man that Alexey guy really hits some home runs with his designs, these 2 knock it out of the park in a lot of aspects and the non frag round is a beaut.
Gregg, your handling of Jeff's Fleshette is always a joy to observe and I enjoy both of your waffling on in the video's.
LMFAO at FLESHette
_"Wait... Did he just imply Gregg was handling my junk?_
_......... WAIT.... Did he also just say I have abnormally small junk, too?!"_
-- Jeff, probably
@@DUKE_of_RAMBLE Some get it, Some pick it as a spelling error........
Me? I like the ambiguity lol
@@tony66au hah That is true!
Which, that made me think of the last sentence, but due to my scrambled eggs or a brain, then made me think of the two older commercials... 🥴 lol
Beef - It's what's for dinner!
Pork - The _Other_ White Meat!
Ambiguity - The _SPICE_ of Conversations!
@@DUKE_of_RAMBLE LMAO @ Ambiguity - The SPICE of Conversations!
And Double Entendre, Aussie enjoy a bit of Double Entendre preferably Dry :-)
@@tony66au I'm from Minnesota, US, and I also have an extremely dry sense of humor. By far the best sort, although I'm _obviously_ biased! haha
If I may make a recommendation... Check out Zefrank1's channel and his _True Facts_ series. I'd just stumbled across them recently and what a hoot he is!
As is I Did A Thing's channel, but you may have heard of him being he's Aussie.
Mind you, both are the *total* opposite of Toafledermaus' content, and even each other for that matter!
🍻
Nice! It's like a miniature APFSDS tank round.
I think the mirror at 13:30 is an early provision for selfies, so you can see what your pointing the back camara at.
Thats exactly what it was for
Wow... I've loved this channel since the early days playing with slomo and what I remember being a 50cc bike. So I've seen everything and some rounds that seem awesome but suck, some that seem stupid that are very effective, and rounds like this blow my mind. I understand a narrow hard projectile has better penetration but this round was slow and extremely viable.
lol thank you!!
Office greg has no filter on his mouth, but thats hat makes him awesome!🤣
I’m never unimpressed by the rounds you guys test. It’s always so cool to see these really odd and creative rounds. Keep it up! 🤘🏻
thanks Josh!!
I know y’all didn’t have many rounds but I’d love to see that “hollow point” out at 50 yards for accuracy. Something that small and aerodynamic has the potential to reach wayyy out there and still knock deer down.
Roll crimps definitely aren’t mandatory; this year I reloaded the components on an old 12 gauge sabot slug into a different hull (the original casing had badly rusted but the powder n primer were still good) and held the friction-fitting sabot in place with a dab of superglue, relying on the weight of the slug to cause combustion. It worked pretty well, I killed a mature whitetail doe during shotgun season with that load.
Can you imagine the armor piercing capability you might actually be able to get out of these loads if you really warmed up their velocity!! After watching how the projectiles behaved at about 1000fps I think they might actually be sturdy enough to push quite a bit faster!! This was a great video by the way!! I would be very interested in a follow-up video at some point in the future where you really push these projectiles to their limits and find out just how devastating they can be.
I think that kickback from round this havy would be atrocious. Yet it'll make any body armor moot.
Dude, this is cool af. I was waiting for the day you guys would get your hands on a good, working flechette round.
5:30 "If I were talking..." got a chuckle out of me
Thanks guys that was very entertaining. I wasn't expecting the darts to be that accurate. The angled vs flat plate impact test was an awesome demonstration of the sloped armor principal. Keep up the good work lads I had a great laugh while learning stuff!! Cheers !
thank you!!
It would be interesting to see/hear these out of a suppressed shotgun since they are subsonic.
A steel or tungsten bodied version of this at a hotter load would be so badass.
You all should fly Alexei out for an episode since his projectiles are practically half of the episodes haha
And this is why the 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser has been killing Scandinavian moose for just short of 130 years. Ditto other 6.5mm cartridges. Great sectional density & penetration, they kill all out of proportion to their paper ballistics, and they don't need to be driven super fast to kill stone dead!
@Throckmorton -Is that name like the airfield at Throckmorton, out in the sticks by Pershore?
If it is, then Hi from Kempsey, (almost...) neighbour...
@@therogers4432 I only wish, sir. I'm nowhere close to that sophisticated.
What about 8mm?
FINALLY! I've often wondered why no one ever set their 2 liter bottles up that way. That's the only way I shoot mine. It's fun to hit the cap and blow the entire bottom off the bottle.
As usual, you guys rock.
Flechettes has got a pretty bad rep. Most videos with them that I've seen show them tumbling, flying wild anywhere but at the target or simply being incredibly unimpressive when they manage to get it to hit the target without tumbling.
This was nice break from that. They were impressively accurate and packed a punch blowing through the lead plate. The fragmenting version made an impressive temporary wound channel. And that was at half speed...
It will be interesting to see if they are still stable at supersonic speeds and how much energy can be squeezed out of them before they break on being fired.
They worked good in Afghan from Apache
That’s because most flechette rounds are just a bunch of them packed into a 12 gauge. They’re pretty bad, but used as sabots they can be effective. The only way a bunch of flechettes can work is in a larger scale and usually from arial use. There’s a good video on flechette rockets from Vietnam.
Fin guided Sabo round
Very impressive. This is one of these rare flechette-designed projectiles, that actually worked! Much more often, these flechettes fly quite random and flechettes from a shotgun were not so much famous for laserbeam accuracity.(Maybe it worked that well, because it was flying subsonic? Hypersonic aerodynamics behave so different from subsonic. And arrow-shapes normaly fly well...in subsonic!)
This projectiles were amazingly accurate.
You made my day (I unvoluntary joined today that club of getting ill from corona and that pretty messed up my day.) So thank you for the enlightning, endertaining and educational video.
Stay safe.
The mirror on the old cell phone is meant for taking "selfies" as there is no screen to show what the camera is aiming for.
Just being a smart ass 1 year after the latest comment. Thank you! ❤
Cool stuff!
the point of the crimp is to create a bit of pressure when the primer goes of without a good crimp the primer would create enough pressure to move the round out of the shell immediatly thereby creating more space and lowering pressure and burning powder slower.
for light rounds i even used to put cotton mixed with super glue to seal the round with extremely fast burning powder and i gain way more velocity
I neglected to identify which shells were crimped and which weren't. Half were and half weren't. Velocities didn't deviate that much. The "hot" one that broke 1000 fps had 12 grains of powder.
@@taofledermaus yea if the wad seals well in the chamber then it will build pressure in time, but really it is not recommended sometimes it is a hit or miss i am sure u had lots of those rounds that falls out of the barrel.
in any case it all depends on the powder am not sure what are u using but a powder for 1oz will not work well for light loads, for light loads i can break 1350fps with 20grs Vectan prima V, or maybe A24 comparable to tightwad ,clays and maybe reddot
@@taofledermaus btw am not sure it is legal were u live, but i used to get a magnum .410 shell stick a bullet in the wad put it in the shell then stuff cotton all around it and dump super glue, i couldn't believe how smoking hot the round were leaving from a rifled .410
I like the hollow point. It reminds me of the round used by a suppressed UZI looking thing in the original Killzone video game. In the game it could one hit most bad guys. I suspect this one could do so against hogs, deer and felons as well. And they both look cool too... heh, he said 'gapping meat hole'... heh.
More Alexey, yay.Your careful, methodical, goofy testing is great. Thanks, guys.
Woah, this round has some serious potential!
Would like to see some of these pushed into the 1700-1800fps range.
Great video!
thanks
Podrían pasar varias cosas, o se convierte en una ronda de tanque o se despedasa dentro del cañón.
Love all the fun stuff you guys throw downrange. You have some incredible viewers who send in amazing projectiles. However, I would still watch your videos if there was no shooting at all. The banter between you guys is priceless!
thank you!
I would love to see that accuracy at range! That was totally awesome. I was gobsmacked when it went through the Lead Plate like it was butter! Keep em coming Alexi!
Absolutely outstanding performance ... by the projectiles, and a grand performance by the cast & crew.
Seriously, it seems like a nice binary choice of projectiles with the "same" weight, accuracy, and recoil, with two separate & distinct purposes.
Definitely worthy of further study, at various ranges, with various powder loads, just to see if it is scalable in that way. Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong. 😁
thanks
Got a guy, here in the UK, who goes by the name of Todd Cutler. He makes Swords and knives and things but he’s also into seeing how medieval and roman weapons work for real.
He had a test where sandbags were up against 7.62 rounds and Longbow Arrows. As OG says it’s all about sectional sizing but the Rifle rounds impact the sandbag and stop, whilst the Arrows went straight on through......😬
Greg's jokes...Always walking the line haha. These rounds are amazing. I need some in my life. I wish you had more of then to push them a little faster against some steel.
These are really accurate and effective indeed for some real world use! Great video, again. How 'bout having a top 10 board of tested slugs?
I was watching the video very late at night under the influence of certain mind-affecting substances when your "Super Perforator" commercial came on. It was a real Firesign Theater moment. I was half-expecting Porgy Tirebiter to come on next... 😳
The round had me impressed 👏🏻 They did way beyond what I thought especially the speed awesome 👏🏻, great episode guys👍
thank you!
It seems to me getting through the lead plate relies upon a combination of velocity, hardness, weight, and most especially sectional density. The dart has excellent sectional density, placing all of the energy at impact on a very small point compared to about anything else you’ve shot at the plate.
I have that same weatherby, it must be a testimony of how good of a shotgun it is to have held up over all these years with the ridiculous loads you shoot through it. Mine surprised me, a Turkish shotgun and I have 1200 round through it without a single hiccup
This thing has been around for about 7-8 years shooting all kinds of weird, abusive shit. The shotgun and the $75 Bushnell dot have held up through it all. I’d still use both for a home defense gun if I needed to.
Hmm, maybe go with brass fins as well, solid bottom but drilled most of the way through. Press fit the penetrator or hollow point into the fins and then braze them into a solid unit. Actually, with a milling machine you could probably make the entire unit out of a single piece of brass. Machine a disk the same diameter as the fins and use that as a "pusher-plate" inside the base of the sabot. Bet you could go with hotter loads that way.
The big tank rounds have the sabot pull the dart down the barrel.
I believe the purpose behind using aluminum for the fins was to bring the center of balance farther up the dart and closer to the center of the diameter while still gaining the benefit of fin stabilization.
@@BuggaBoy69 could be. Also means that you can cast the fins instead of machining them. Melting aluminum isn't too hard.
This is now one of my favorite rounds you guys have tested. Thanks for the awesome content.
Glad you enjoy it!