Why Squadrons is WAY BETTER than Star Fighter Assault
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- 🔶 Eckhartsladder breaks down why he thinks Squadron's is SO much better than StarFighter Assault from BattleFront II
With the new Star Wars Squadrons gameplay released thanks to EA, we wanted to dive into what separates it from Battlefront II's version which is called Starfighter Assault. Showing that Squadron's was NOT the game we expected it to be, and that it is far more than a simple upgrade to the Starfighter Assault gamemode.
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4:25 - Ok, now that *_NEEDS_* to become a secret Achievement in-game!
“Piett’s Bane” - Destroy the enemy Star Destroyer by ramming your A-Wing into its bridge.
yes 😂
i think Ian confirmed you can win a round of fleet battles that way. its not easy though
Yasss
can you choose what your pilot looks like or are you just given a random model everytime you load up a match?
@@michaelomalley1856 oh yeah lots of pilot customization
Man I wish this game had a beta, I want to fly around in a y-wing with a squad so bad.
Bro same I’ve been dying to speed around in an interceptor since the trailer came out
I'm more of a tie interceptor person
The Y-Wing is my favorite ship, I loved to play it in SWBF2
I can’t wait to see how u wing plays
There still might be one, we still got a few months till release.
(Unless they announced that there wouldn't be)
Fun fact, all comments right now are from people that haven't seen the whole video
Im excited to play as a y wing and do real bombing runs in random spots of the destroyer and still do damage
Edit: especially since in battlefront, if i shoot the destroyer, it would only cause sparks whereas in Squadrons it actually destroys parts of the destroyer
Bombs do far less damage per ammo, and only a bit higher damage per second, as compared to torpedos. Torpedos also have much longer ranges and can be put on faster ships. Of course, this is before official release, so just think about that
@@bobbuilder1009 i just mean doing those runs like in Rogue one
Tho it’s pretty mental that BOTH are possible, both a literal bombing run AND a coordinated barrage of torpedoes. I wonder if you’ll be able to swap classes during the match to pull all sorts of strats like these without sacrificing the individual roles of a team... 🤔
@@bumblb1142 you can see towards the start of the video, if you return to your capital ship, you can change ship
I agree I would feel like a badass with a y wing two x wings supporting me in a bombing run
Simple answer: squadrons is a simulator game 100% dedicated to starfighters. Starfighter assault is a separate part of battlefront 2 based in arcade flight
This is not even close to a simulator lol
@@supersoakersniper8279 if you say so
I’d say it strikes a very fine balance between BFII and Elite Dangerous. More simulator-like than BFII but more arcade-y than ED.
9:54 He tried spinning, that’s a good trick! :D
Thank you, you can't tell how maddening it is to look on videos regarding this game and see comments saying: "iT's jUst STar FiGHter aSSault" Yes I get it some of it is clearly motivated by bias against EA, I despise them too but if you're going to judge or critique their games, actually judge what's there and not what you think is there.
It's just star fighter assault dude
40 dollar game and EA. It is gonna be a shit game. EA hasn't made one GOOD starwars game.
@@FXIIBeaver fallen order?
I LOVED the old X-Wing vs Tie Fighter games on PC and this game looks like a modern inspiration of it. I hope they really expand on the content of this game.
Yeah to me as well it seemed more like modern version of that game series then an upgrade of Starfighter assault.
“I have a ton of Squardons content”
That’s... why I’m here
Here’s my QOTD: what starfighter class is your favorite? My favorites are the interceptors
Bombers by far
Fighters
Fighters
aka Fighter-Attack class
I usually like interceptors, but I think I'll be playing the support ships a lot in Squadrons
Interceptor gang
I love how not everyone uses fighters or intercepters. they made the game that balanced.
I'm worried that it may be because most if not all the people playing were content creators trying to get footage of all the ships, I've noticed that most people say their favorite type of ship are the interceptors. So I'm worried there will be games with 5 v 5 interceptors
@@cugzo619 I think I have heard alot of people in yt comments saying the want to play support or bombers, which is really good to hear.
@@cugzo619 well yeah.. each ship has its niche. You probably wouldn't run an interceptor to blow up a capital chip just like you probably wouldn't use a y wing in a 1 v 1
TIE/IN: "Ready to intercept."
All the micro management of shield configuration and power distribution came from the old Star Wars X-wing and Tie fighter games back in the 90's. The tractor beam and boost options came from those as well. As for the customization of your ships, those old games offered very little.
What I loved about those games is how many different missions you had. One of the biggest changes to the new games is respawning. Back then if you lost your ship, the mission was a failure. You also had the ability to give wing-men orders, whether to evade or attack a specific target. I truly wish we could get an updated version of these games! I can't help but feel like playing this game will bring back nostalgia when I micro-manage power systems and shields, but yearn for all the varied missions you had (without respawn).
Squadrons is really just a long estranged successor to X-Wing Vs. Tie Fighter, it uses a lot of the same power management and shield control ideas as that series. X-Wing Alliance was one of the best Star Wars games I've ever played. It's exciting that Motive has brought back that style of Star Wars combat sim and modernized the physics.
Modernized the physics? How the flight model still have the same stupid mistakes. Sims also have massively evolved since the 90s. This really isn't on par with new Sims. Only because you play it with a stick it doesn't mean it's a sim.
One of my biggest gripes with BF2 in general was that none of the vehicle models or maps were properly sized. If you stand next to any vehicle model on a map you can tell a person can’t actually fit in the cockpit. What I’m hoping for is that there is a much better sense of scale with Squadrons. I would like finally get a real sense of how huge a star destroyer is in this game. It really helps immersion when everything is sized properly.
Oh also, I just wanted to say something to eck quick while I'm early, I love your videos so much! I've learned so much more about the star wars universe, you do an amazing job and I can always count on a hight quality, in depth video :D
Love the Ewok and Fuzzy Dice. But I'll probably be distracted by it.
"Haha funney Ewok" "On your tail Red 1!" "Wha-" *BOOM*
I wouldn't
Yeah same thing here, I see all the bobbleheads, holograms, and hanging objects and it's all I can see, I think while actually playing they may be less noticeable but I think I'll probably be super distracted by them
First sortie: “Oh look! It’s doing the bobblehead thing!!“
“Cut the chatter, Red 5! We got a war to fight!”
“ _Squee!_ It’s so cute! *_BANG!_* Oh crap, I’m hit, I’m hi-“ *_EXPLODES_*
“ _Sigh_ Always the bobbleheads....”
“Red 6, reporting in! Oh hey look! There’s dice in the cockpit!”
“ _Heavy groan_ “
Plus, it's unnecessary processor overhead, because it has to calculate and simulate the movement according to physics.
Man, I kept tuning out him talking and just pay attention to the gameplay on accident.
I’ve never really thought much about the Imperial fighters in the past. Especially since the majority of them have limited visibly. But with how this game will control, I’m actually pretty excited to fly their ships. The Tie Interceptor in particular. I always thought that was a nice great looking design.
It irritates me a bit that almost everyone who played the game stop their engines to turn.
but drift though
If you played the old XWing games, you'd know you get a much much sharper turn radius by cutting engines for a moment and then ramping back up.
I assume it works the same here.
@@Kalev225 Definitely. If you see the acceleration meter, there's a big spot in the middle which indicates when you can turn better, but it's definitely not 0 acceleration.
I think they took it from the force awakens when rey cut the engines when being Pursuit by 2 tie fighters. I never seen that in either game that I remember. Sharp turns yes but cutting engines no
I remember from the old Xwing that 1/3 Throttle was the best to turn, and was call combat speed.
Especially with the engineering & switching of systems, all I can think of is Elite Star Wars: Dangerous Squadrons
I noticed what looked like in-game voice comments while you were playing, like FRISK: "You took 'em down!" Were those generated automatically or were those actual statements? I was a huge fan of the original X-Wing series, Tie Fighter, etc and the ability to direct your AI teammates was a feature. Does Squadrons have the same type of feature?
Damn,I wish I had squadrons so bad now😭
Brah u and me🥺
Diogo Guerra and me 😫
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You can make it mate. We almost there.
Now you have it. See how time flies so fast lol
Were the weapons/systems customisations options available in the press release? I'm curious as to what Plasburst lasers are supposed to be
Starfighter Assault was also my Favorite part of BF2! I'm beyond stoked for this game to come out
Star fighter assault in both battlefront 1 and 2 were my favorite, I played those play modes more than any of the others. I am going to love playing squadrons, one draw back I don’t have friend to play with. So I always play solo.
8:30 that was a cool maneuver!
There are a few things I’ve not seen yet that I’m wondering if they made it into the game. Things like linking lasers in pairs or quads. The Xwing firing two bolts from opposite wings is something that I always associate with flying a snubfighter. I also hope some legends pilot parlance makes it into the game, I want to hear xwing pilots talking about eyeballs and such.
Now imagine 60 player Battles, as well as 1 Admiral per side who are controlling the Capitals like an RTS.
That would have been an insta buy for me.
Definitely excited for this. Can't decide if I'll main a standard fighter (X-wing/Tie) or bomber (Y-wing/Tie Bomber).
Dude, your dog outro gets me everytime.
What I'd really like to see is, not a video comparison with 'BF2', but a comparison with 'TIE Fighter' or 'X-Wing Alliance', as those two have the most direct game mechanics equivalents.
this is not a video comparison it is a promo video.
Need more DLC! Prequel ships and maps or more Starfighters for existing factions would seal the deal with longevity and sales I believe. For me I would love to buy it knowing there’s a longevity so I can commit fully.
more DLC and more fighters does not mean a better game necessarily.
Also there is no dlcs
Hey, thanks for clarifying those details! I hope, people will listen to it. Can't wait to play!
What are some specific differences regarding the flight model of Squadrons in comparison to the ones of Elite Dangerous or/and Eve Valkyrie, if you've ever played any of those two?
One thing they really ought to consider is allowing lasers to be more visible from a distance. It's quite a spectacle seeing green and red lasers scattering everywhere. Something the older PC games did very well and would make a huge difference to atmosphere.
From what I see... this appears to be X-Wing vs Tie Fighter 2020. I'm f'n in!
I want to see in the future a mutant version of Battlefront III which combines the Battlefield franchises infantry and ground vehicle combat with Squadron’s starfighter gameplay and (somehow) a For Honor-esque melee combat system.
That would be my dream game. And with full ground-to-space combat and everything. I would pay so much money for that!
If I recall correctly there was 50 components, not 80.
I will tell you why Squadrons is way better. It's because they took inspiration from the PC games like X-Wing Vs Tie Fighter and X-Wing Alliance rather than the shit made for console games 👍
Rogue Squadron was my childhood, why must you slay me?
I play this games today and it gives me such nostalgic memories, I prayed for a new flight sim based on these old sims, can't wait to try squadrons.
For now I'm playing xwing alliance with a graphics enhancement mod.
Rogue squadros was a fun old arcade game, also loved it.
@@kingragnork If you haven't played TIE Fighter on PC, then technically you haven't lived at all. ;)
Both were great. I loved the x wing games for their immersion and I love the rogue squad games for their quick fun, And playing through the levels from the movies.
Yeah this is tie fighter and x wing series
1:46 Were you able to change the laser firing mode to dual fire mode in A-Wing? :O Or, was that some kind of an ability that you turned on?
I really hope, they implement the XG-1 Assault Gunboat for the Empire :)
Will you have a video of a full uncut fleet battle? None of the RUclipsrs have done a video like that yet, and I personally just want to see more gameplay!
It’s because we were limited to 10 mins of footage per game type
So can we do the Starbuck flip and fire behind us while still moving forward?
Does the arquitens have many Point Defense and laser cannons? Cause I heard that the cruisers were not to be underestimated and can do some real damage to starfighters.
Squadrons is WAY better no doubt there, but when I play it feels like some of the graphics in battlefront II feel more realistic to the movies than in squadrons, to me some parts of squadrons just look a bit odd.
Does Squadrons only have cockpit view, or does it include a 3rd person perspective?
Only first person
Two questions. Did they say anything about making the nintendo ship playable? And can you show us what the Menu looks like.
Nintendo ship?
My issue with Starfighter Assault was the ridiculous amount of space debris on most space maps. It became less about skill & more about luck. Most of my space battles consisted of spawn, strafe 1 enemy, smack into debris, rinse and repeat.
so which one is better cause idk what to buy battlefront 2 or sqadrens?
Is there any mechanic for turning your head to look around while playing in controller?
VR
Extra content for Starfighter assault did not exist because this game was planned. This game was the reason SFA did not get any new content, and it looks worth it.
I don't know anything about VR, but I want to get it for this game. Is there anything I should know? Do I need anything more than the cheapest thing out there? How does this game control with VR?
The way you pronounce Mario hurts my soul
7:34 that *KABOOM, POW, EXPLOSION* animation is horrifying
@@bobbuilder1009 that's also why you don't let me fly
Why else do I come in on transports
Abord the death star
It is more X-wing vs TIE Fighter 2 than anything else. Very little outside of the engine it is running on and some reused cosmetic assets seems to have anything to do with Battlefront 2.
Most of the mechanics were taken from the old school X-wing/TIE Fighter games. They play almost identically, with a few new things added on to Squadrons, like bigger ship engines causing damage, boosting, and drifting.
So would you say that it's a sort of halfway point between something like Battlefront 2 and something like say....DCS World...or I guess a better comparison in terms of level of complexity would be halfway between War Thunder and IL2/DCS World? In terms of the controls, how they function in the game, and the way the player interacts with their ship.
Kinda bummed that there's no B-wing, was my favorite to fly in the old X-Wing vs TIE Fighter game.
The game looks like it will be really fun. The player base from all platforms will be able to join the same games, has HOTAS support, and has VR support.
i was at first sceptical because starfighter assault wasn’t that good for me but these vids are making me preorder squadrons
I mean you should still wait and see in case there's some massive scandal before or during the launch.
1810 Jeff yh i should
but there might be some pre order bonus
ill wait and see
Luke Sh there is a preorder bonus. It’s a bunch of cool cosmetics for your ships and pilots
In my opinion if you are looking for a complex space simulater with dogfighting go with elite dangerous you won't be disappointed
It certainly is most complex but it does it in a way that feels so authentic to what it would be like as a pilot of both sides.
I hope they change the attack defend thing. Like how one side spends the whole game shooting an inanimate object while the other tries to slaughter them? I love the mode but that structure feels horrible when on attack.
I don't like the fact that you don't blow up after hitting something. I would've preferred if it like took off a wing or something and make you fly slower or make the camera shaky, which I know would be hard to programme, which would strike a balance of the difficulty.
Battlefront 2 never allowed me to use my joystick for flight. Also, the cockpit made visibility nigh impossible. (I am normal a 1st person person).
I don’t know if this will be true but I almost feel like the empire may end up being better for higher skill players since shields may be of less importance to them as someone sued to flight simulator I’d if I could I’d customize my ship to where it could basically one shot enemies but get one shot in return then get on an interceptor and wreak havoc
I love the look, but the lack of targeting computers disturbs me.
Why does no one notice the TIE cockpits are wrong?
The TIE Fighter windscreen is at the wrong angle.
And the TIE Interceptor wings are pointed to far inward.
Plus both of their icons in the menu and on the status indicators are of the wrong proportions.
What’s wrong about them
If you're talking about the flight controls, then it might be because no one has a HOTAS that looks like that haha.
I don’t think there is any canon source for the cockpits.
The more I see how good the gameplay is, the more I think the biggest bottleneck is level and mission structure. Longevity could come from Fleet Battles with capital ships jumping in at unexpected times and objectives in unexpected places, with just the right balance between randomness and match progression. If you acquire the morale boost or otherwise start to snowball, your next objective is a little further away, or third-party AI pirates jump into a location that slightly favors the enemy.
I just wish you could have more people in a lobby since it's not so I'll wait for a half off or more sale.
After all those gameplay footages I've seen today from all those channels... All I can say is, that there is not one single pro pilot :D.
Love the content though. So there's the like.
Anyone know if we can use a HOTAS on pc with this?
Star Wars: Squadrons will "fully support" joystick compatibility on PC
- gameradar
whats the intro song?
Ahh looks so good sound so good I am keeping a HAWK EYE on this that is for sure.
I'm guessing that the reason why Battlefront 2 doesn't have any official vr support is because EA was planning on releasing Star Wars Squadrons.
Fang Star Fighter is all it's missing atm. :)
I mean to be fair a game based entirely on strafighters should most definitely be better than a game mode in a game based around ground combat
I just really hope they add a third person shooter as well as the first person if you get boring sometimes when you're in the cockpit and you want to see the whole ship move oh it's probably not going to be a thing but just like the mods for Battlefront 2 I hope we get to control the freakiest like the Blockade Runner
Get VR and you will be satisfied with 1st person
@@Sumatchi Maybe there is a spectate that can record your ship from a 3rd person POV... We will have to see
@@phlookode Yeah maybe replays
The original stbf 2 space combat was great... at least for the time.
My only complaint is that there's no B-Wing. Other than that, looks amazing!
@@eliwilson1146 I can understand the U-wing coming first, they needed a support ship, and the B-Wing is basically a superior Y-wing, so I doubt it's gonna happen.
I’ll probably end up buying this BUT only after I see the DLC and updates AND as long as it doesn’t go the way of mass effect andromeda which was a huge hype and turned into a giant steaming pile of sadness.
so people won't abandon it after two months?
I know its not graphics > gameplay, but Jesus the graphics of battlefront are amazing, and would really just love a third person option.
After watching many of these types of videos, I think my conclusion is that... it looks cool, but I don't think I'll get it.
The main two reasons are:
1. I do not like the flight controls. If this was a generic star fighter game like, Wing Commander or something, I would say it would be awesome, but to me it doesn't fit within the Star Wars world. When I picture ships flying in Star Wars, I see X-Wings, A-Wings, and B-Wings flying like fighter planes (as they were originally based on). This ability to fly in any direction doesn't feel like the movement I expect from these ships.
2. It doesn't feel like the ships / game are in the 1977 dirty universe. The gameplay elements on the screen make it feel like an arcade while the displays and such in the ships feel too clean and modern. I understand some liberties need to be taken for the sake of gameplay, but it just feels less like flying an TIE and more like playing a game.
Overall, it looks cool, but I just don't know if I would enjoy it. I fully admit that all I've wanted since the 90's is a modern X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter.
If u say so 😂
Maybe try playing it 😏
Also.. who says the the ships movements are based on fighterjets?
Its space.. there is no limit in movement in zero gravity.
Also.. ur lack of knowledge about fighterjets is poor.
Ever heard of vertical take off jets?
They can hoover and fly backwards 😉
I never saw it as battle front version but more like Star Wars Balance of power made anew. If you dont know it, check it out was imo the best game of its kind at that time.
Can’t wait till it comes out thanks for content
Thank you so much for making this video!
Please compare this to the original xwing and tie fighter. Its basically got to be an advancement on those games. So far seeing instant rearm and things bouncing off objects instead of exploding, health bars and super speed boost as well as all thr nick knacks to drop does not fill me with confidence. Add to that that I doubt the capital ships move like they have an admiral or captain on board launching his fighters.
I’d really like players to be able to command the capital ships from a bridge.
I prefer how Star Fighter assault looks though to be honest, but there is just a real lack of what you can do in the ships though, even compared to bf1's version! i found that very frustrating as soon as i got the game. If they make bf 3 i'd like them to keep it similar to Star fighter assualt though, but just add the cool looking stuff from this game like the drift, better turn rates in certain ships and add the option of being able to use constant speed boost. Then i'd be in pilot heaven.
Squadrons is just so slow and not as dynamic. Granted there are more options and missions but... starfighter assault was just way more fast paced and maneuvering felt more rewarding. I was an ace in starfighter assault but I just can’t wrap my head around squadrons. It’s like they are trying to make overwatch in space.
Squadrons is out and did not disappoint
They should have a trench mode like in battlefront 1. Would really get me hooked on this game I can’t wait now seriously.😳
why is it so lit up ? star wars had dark space battles .. are there any in this ? where a cloud or a nebula isnt so bright it illuminates the whole war zone ? where is the darkness and just stars ?
I can't wait to play this game.
I thought motive (or however you spell their name) made battlefront 2's star fighter assault.
im loving the game VR and hotas , i literally feel in the cockpit seat 5 stars from me
4:25 hol up a moment. dose this mean we can do kamikazes?
So its Tie Fighter/X-wing in the modern engine
When will the next EAW Video be
They seem to scratch different itches. I think I'll still be playing starfight assault with squadrons
Now this is where the fun begins
X Wing vs Tie Fighter sequel almost, that is what this game is to me.