This might sound harsh, but to all of the commenters who are constantly setting up expectations for future characters, events, Episodes, Seasons, etc. and *not getting* how that is a spoiler, you are The Unknowing Ruiners of All Suspense and Surprises! Nikki & Steven (and indeed, the show) do *not* need your help to foreshadow or build up characters and events in order for them to be impactful. In fact you are actually risking *diminishing* the impact that the reactors might have experienced for themselves by even vaguely discussing things that they have not yet seen. Mentioning a character that has yet to appear, or saying how a character is the greatest thing ever and how much you love them, in the first episode that they even appear in, is a spoiler. If you state how much you love or hate a character based on your own knowledge of future events, that is a spoiler. If you do not think that such things are spoilers, that's fine. But please *respect* the wishes of the people who *do* consider them to be spoilers, i.e. Nikki & Steven, and the mods. Thank you.
Except Jaime left out a crucial part of what happened...after stabbing Aerys, he sat cocky on the throne, and when Ned arrived, all he saw was an arrogant young king's guard sitting on the throne over his lord's dead body. So, Ned judged Jaime according to what Any other man would have done coming upon that situation...he judged Jaime as a scheming young traitor who killed aerys for his own ends....and it Didn't help that Ned knew Tywin had sacked the city and that Jaime himself never told Ned the Whole story like he did for Brienne. As we All know, despite first appearances, Ned wasn't a rigid, hard man stuck to following the rules unflinchingly....he was actually Very merciful, good, and honest, and he would have more likely applauded Jaime if he knew the whole truth. In fact, Jon Snow learned all his mercy, compassion, and regard for the well being of others from Ned Stark. So, Sorry, Jaime, you don't get to put that one on Ned....its still All on you.
Undriel Grenger but don’t forget that Jaime sat on the throne with a sword across his knees because some soldiers had already come in and asked Jaime should they declare a new king (implying either him, his father or Robert). He said he could already see the blame in their eyes and told them “declare who you bloody well like” and then sat on the throne. From a show perspective he describes it in one of the blu-ray animated extras, but if I remember that’s pretty close to the books. Ned saw him sitting there as cocky and told him to get up once he got there, to which Jaime replied he was just keeping it warm for Robert, but I don’t think his original intention or attitude was to be cocky when he sat down.
Nobody cares what he Intended, what we care about is the Bad picture he presented to Ned Stark and the other soldiers who saw him sitting there....a picture of a traitor who stabbed his king in the back in order to comspire with his father, Tywin, who was sacking the city. Say what you want, but that's the picture he presented, and Ned judge him for it....especially as Jaime had no spine and couldn't see to even tell Ned the truth, but later confesses After Neds death to Brienne in a Bath of ALL places!
Undriel Grenger I almost forgot that, that happened. It's even worse in the book since in the book the throne is huge and you have to walk up stairs if swords just to get to it.
Jaime Lannister is universally reviled for his one truly heroic act. Classic GRRM, wrapping a hero in villainy. No wonder Jaime is so bitter & jaded. Notice as he collapses, Brienne yells out "the Kingslayer!" and he finally asserts his real identity: "Jaime; my name is Jaime." The bathtub confession to Brienne = one of my top 10 all time favorite moments, hands down. (pun intended)
@Hammertapping: I think you've missed the point here. The reason why Jaime's act was so heroic was that he LOVED being a knight and a kingsguard. At one stage, that was all he wanted. He knew that killing Aerys would dishonor him for life, yet he did it anyway just to save 500,000 people. He put the safety of other people (and doing the right thing) above his own honor, dreams, and goals. And that's a pretty brave thing to do!
hammertapping, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't remember Jamie doing any reviled things that are public knowledge previous to the end of season 1. We know personally that he has sex with his sister and pushed Bran out the window, but besides those two things what has he done that is public knowledge? He's already looked down upon when we meet him in the first episode. This was before he pushed Bran out the window and before we as an audience know that he's having sex with his sister and it is not public knowledge. They have their suspicions, but he doesn't even confess that is it was him until season 2. What terrible things has Jamie done, other than those two things that anyone would have knowledge to hate him?
Loved that you kept in the jaime confession scene, ive always loved that scene and nickolaj coster waldau (jaime) is an incredible actor who really shows his talent there
I am so grateful that GRRM put his foot down on the casting. We got to see so many great actors from Europe & Australia plus all the UK classic legends.
Stannis> I've not ive. You also missed a period at the end of the sentence. You also need "I" at the start of the first one. Jaime is misspelled. And should have a capitol J.
Re Grey Worm choosing to keep his name, it is even more symbolic in the books than is portrayed in the TV show. In the books the Unsullied are given a new name every day, drawn by lots; one being a colour and the second a type of vermin. So one day he would be Grey Worm and the next day he may be Red Flea or White Rat or any one of many other combinations. This is to stop them forming any sort of personal identity. So in the book he was Grey Worm on the day that Daenerys freed him. That is why it was such a lucky name for him and why he chose to keep it. I think the TV show giving the impression that Grey Worm was a permanent name for him loses much of the necessary context there. Still a great scene though!
I always figured the reason Jaime refused milk of the poppy during his surgery is because he wanted to be clear minded so Qyburn didn’t do what he initially wanted, and amputate his arm much higher
"The King Beyond the North" "The Thrid-Eyed Raven" "The Bannerless Brotherhood." "The dark is night and full of terrors." Steven, you're worse than my mom, dude! XD
That was the chapter/scene where everyone realized that Jaime actually has a 3D personality and is not some 2D villain. George RR Martin really knows how to write characters.
If you look back to season 1, you see that Ned does hate Jaime and doesn't want to extend an olive branch between them. In the throne room Jaime says that he did Ned a service, kiling the evil man who burned Ned's father and brother. Ned is so blindly loyal however, that he instead calls Jaime a coward for killing a king he was supposed to defend. In some way, Jaime probably used to look up to Ned and wanted his approval.
The bath scene with Brienne where Jaime reveals the truth about what he did at the end of the rebellion is one of my favorite scenes in the series. It's so perfectly acted and shows how layered he is and the depth behind the facade he has had put up due to the reputation he got for killing the Mad King. He is hated for his most heroic act... something like that would leave most people jaded and cynical, I think. And Ned Stark definitely wouldn't have listened to his side. He was a good, honorable guy, but stubborn and unwilling to see the nuance of the situation. All he saw was a man that broke his vow and he would never respect Jaime even if knew the whole story. That was always Ned's weakness. He was too focused on what is honorable over what is right. The one time he did what was right instead, he lost his head because Joffrey is an idiot and a monster though. Some nice parallel and dramatic irony there for Eddard and Jaime, one killed for finally putting something before his honor, the other hated for doing his most honorable act.
Citron To quote myself from another reply, no. "Martin Wood Ned is capable of nuance, Jamie's word on him isn't law. Maybe Ned wouldn't have judged him so heavily had he not walked into the throne room after fighting a brutal war and just saw Tywin literally sack the city, only for Jaime to be smugly sitting on the throne with his sword across his lap, never seeking to explain himself. Yes, Jaime did the right thing and acted in a rash manner out of trauma and was defensive upon Ned's arrival, naturally. But that doesn't make Ned equivalent to a nazi "just following orders," especially when Ned wouldn't sit by idly when Robert did things he judged immoral, like try to assasinate Dany, and more, the whole situation was just fucked. Tired of this Jaime stans just accepting his spiel as fact and not just one perspective. Honestly he's jealous of his honourable Ned is more than anything, he wishes he was as good of a man." Hell, Ned even sought to understand Jamie pushing Bran from the window and wonder if he would do the same. Also more wrong, Ned put Jon's safety/life over his honor by keeping him. Ned's rule and morality is guided by compassion.
Gone Yesterday I've never compared Ned to a nazi and anyone that did is ridiculous. But it's clear that Ned's fatal flaw was always his honor. His honor lead to his death because he warned Cersei first and then never told Robert the truth. The one time he truly forsake his honor, it was as a last result under the belief it would save his daughters. Ned never forgave Jaime for killing Aerys and he never would. Not for the act of killing the Mad King in itself, but because Jaime was had sworn a vow to protect the King. Regardless of whether or not Jaime made the right call (he did), Ned wouldn't have forgiven him breaking his oath. His rigidity when it comes to trying to uphold his honor and his view of what is honorable is a cornerstone of Ned's character and Martin intentionally wrote him that way to show that trying to be fully pure usually just gets you killed and isn't realistic. As Jaime said, Ned judged him the moment he saw him upon entering the throne room. Should Jaime have lounged on the throne? Probably not, but Eddard immediately formed a negative opinion of Jaime and didn't even bother to ask what happened. He even later questions Robert's decision to allow Jaime to remain on the Kingsguard because he distrusts him as an oathbreaker. To someone like Ned the oath is often more important than the nuance. I'm not saying he lacks nuance in all matters, but in this instance Jaime judged Ned correctly. He had no interest in Jaime's side of the story -- he was a Kingslayer and oathbreaker and that was that. Ned was a good man and capable of mercy and reason most of the time, but generally he was too rigid in his views when the world is shades of gray and he lived in one that was more stark... pardon the pun.
Citron Ned's honor didn't lead to his death against Cersei, it was his compassion for children and revulsion at the thought of harming them, and you can't say that Ned would have never understood when he's willing to try and empathize with his son's attempted murderers. Ned judged Jaime yes, as anyone would judge anyone, especially the son of the man currently sacking the city, lounging on the throne, while the children and women he was sworn to protect were brutally murdered. Why the wouldn't battle scarred Ned take affront to this? He judged and Jaime withheld crucial information.
Gone Yesterday Ned's honor and compassion are intertwined. That's the problem. It's SPOILERS FOR ANYONE THAT ISNT UP TO DATE the same reason Robb makes so many crucial mistakes too, he is trying to emulate his father and do the honorable thing and it ends badly for him because it clouds his ability to be reasonable. Whether or not Jaime's father was sacking the city or not should have no bearing on Ned's judgement of Jaime. Jaime didn't let them into the city. And you keep pushing the burden onto Jaime to explain when Ned immediately passed his own personal judgement and never even asked. Sure, Jaime probably should have explained, but Ned Stark never would have forgiven breaking a vow like the one the Kingsguard swear. Just like he would never pardon a deserter from the Night's Watch even if they had a legitimate reason to leave in theory. His idea of honor was too rigid and not fit for the realities of how things work outside of the North. Yes, Ned had compassion, but he had disdain for oathbreakers. Otherwise he would have, in the ~17 years between the end of the Rebellion and the start of the series would have asked Jaime why he killed his King or attempted to understand the situation more. He never did. And Jaime never bothered to go out of his way to explain because he saw he was judged a man without honor the moment Ned saw him sitting near his slain King and so he tried to embrace his persona and be the man everyone thought he was in public. He eventually gave up bothering to see if Stark would ever wonder about the realities and nuance of the situation and tried to move on embracing his Kingslayer persona, though we see that truly he hates it and dislikes that he is hated for his most honorable act and its all a facade. The fact that Ned strongly disagrees with Jaime retaining his position illustrates that he's unwilling to look past his status as an oathbreaker. If he cared to know the truth, he would have asked instead of assuming the worst of a Jaime -- who was still really just a boy -- when he saw him on the iron throne with a bloody sword. I feel like you're totally ignoring Ned's flaws and putting it all on Jaime. The young Jaime definitely could have helped himself by not sitting on the Throne or trying to explain, I'm not denying that, but given what we know about Ned, I doubt it would have mattered. Oaths more sacred than lives to him in many ways. That is why he risked shaming himself to keep his oath to Lyanna and why it was such a big deal when he lied to attempt to save his daughters by falsely admitting to breaking his oath as Hand by trying to usurp the Crown. Before the mention of his daughter's lives, the thought doesn't even enter his head as he would rather die than lie about the true heir which would be breaking his oath to the realm and the true King Stannis.
Except Jaime left out a crucial part of what happened...after stabbing Aerys, he sat cocky on the throne, and when Ned arrived, all he saw was an arrogant young king's guard sitting on the throne over his lord's dead body. So, Ned judged Jaime according to what Any other man would have done coming upon that situation...he judged Jaime as a scheming young traitor who killed aerys for his own ends....and it Didn't help that Ned knew Tywin had sacked the city and that Jaime himself never told Ned the Whole story like he did for Brienne. As we All know, despite first appearances, Ned wasn't a rigid, hard man stuck to following the rules unflinchingly....he was actually Very merciful, good, and honest, and he would have more likely applauded Jaime if he knew the whole truth. In fact, Jon Snow learned all his mercy, compassion, and regard for the well being of others from Ned Stark. So, Sorry, Jaime, you don't get to put that one on Ned....its still All on you. Sorry, but Jaime didn't give up bothering...He never even tried...that's why Ned never asked during those 17 years. Jaime Gave Ned No Reason to ask Anything lol! Other than to judge him as a disloyal kings guard who more likely killed Aerys for his own ends...
Jaime's backstory to his Kingslayer name...one of my favorite scenes in the series, and really adds more complexity to his character. He was deemed a dishonorable man for doing what was honestly a brave and noble thing; killing a mad man who would have killed everyone around them.
hammertapping but that is what I meant. What Jaime did was lacking of honor and was considered bad in the eyes of everyone, but what he did was a good thing.
Ikr? If you were bodyguard to a genocidal tyrant who gave the order to nuke his own city, would you keep your honor by _“just following orders”_ or stop that from happening?
volz man Ned was mad that Jaime didn’t “choose to stop” serving the Mad King when Ned’s father and brother were being tortured to death in the throne room. What made it worse for Ned was that now he wouldn’t get to confront the Mad King himself and get closure. Tywin Lannister doing his thing made it look worse and seem like a coordinated effort.
1. The Lord of Light is real 2. Jaime was 17/18 years old when he stuck his sword through the back of the Mad King, whom he had sworn to defend with his life. He was a teenager. 3. Your reactions as a pair is simply precious. The way your jaws drop simultaneously at a cliffhanger, or your eyebrows arch up at a sudden turn of events is interesting and a bit funny. I love it. Really enjoying watching you on this journey. Seven Blessings to you both!
So far my 3 favorite moments of the show are: 1. Robb telling Maester Luwin to call all the banners 2. Barristan Selmy meets Daeneris 3. "The Kingslayer!" "Jaime. My name is Jaime" Edit: 4. Ned Stark calls Beric Dondarrion to bring justice upon "false knight sir Gregor Clegane" and orders Tywin to come to the court to answer for the crimes of his bannermen.
That bathtub scene was so great I love to see Jamie fight for his identity, “my name is Jamie”. He did still push Bran out the window but he’s not all bad. He just became bitter of his misunderstood reputation
Montana Donaldson Yep. Imagine having your honor taken away by what was probably one of the most heroic acts of honor during that awful time period... that's enough to make anyone jaded and angry at the rest of society. It doesn't excuse his actions, but imagine what that does to the psyche of a person. Those final words, "Jamie. My name's Jamie" are a poignant cry for his identity. Gets me every time.
J A M I E - Y O U T H E M A N 👍 . This episode really solidified Jamie as a character. He went against his duty, loyalty, his king and his vows as a king's guard in order to protect his family, particularly his father. It's complicated but it is this episode people start to feel empathy for Jamie; what he went through and how he has to live with being called Kingslayer and having his honour questioned every day. Where as ROB killed Lord Karstark because he too, had his honour and loyalty questioned.
I love that we finally heard Jaime's side of the story from Robert's Rebellion. It is such a moving scene, and it is so well acted by Nikolaj Coster-Waldau and Gwendoline Christie. They have such great chemistry with each other. Another great reaction in the books! :D
That is not true at all. The mad king murdered Rickard and Brandon Stark and more important people then he called Jon Arryn to give him the heads of Eddard and Robert. Jon Arryn refused and raised his banners in open rebellion. Robert and Eddard raised theirs after. Jon Arryn started the war. The reason it is called Robert's Rebellion is because he was the leader and the one who became king.
@@undrielgrenger53 I really liked Neds character, but him being honest and upright got his head chopped off. Ned is self righteous. He didn't know what Jaime was thinking, he just assumed that Jaime killed the mad king because he didn't want to be caught on the wrong side, and he treated him with disdain because of it.
I always found this scene with Jamie in the tub great. It feels like a turning point for Jamie, where you don't just think of him as the kingslayer or the dude that does the nasty with his sister. I don't think they explain in the show, but In the books they go into a bit more detail about when Ned found Jamie after he had killed the mad king. It wasn't just that Jamie had killed him, but when Ned arrived Jamie was actually sitting on the Iron Throne, his sword still covered with the King's blood. Adds a few more layers as to why Ned would have a hard time believing Jamie's story
Tywin is my favourite character by far. Charles Dance delivers a masterfully terrifying performance and dominates every single scene that he's part of. Amazing casting for an amazing role.
I strongly 2nd this. I mean he might be a horrible person (Tywin) but he gets sh*t done. And he was definitely the powerhouse of the Lannisters. And I love how he also stuck it to Cersei aswell, not just Tyrion this time xD
Another Novel Note: In A Storm of Swords, Lord Karstark's execution was just as messy as Ser Rodrik's execution by Theon. Rather than finishing the act in a single stroke, Robb needed a few swings of the sword to finish the job. These executions served as demonstrations that Theon and Robb were not nearly as strong as Ned was (and it could be argued that Ice's Valyrian steel made the difference). The change to Karstark's execution was to show off Robb's strength.
Kasey Kasket: Something else of note: they kept Karstark's last defense against being executed that he and Robb are kin the same. Kin-slaying is a grievous crime and sin in Westeros. Unfortunately, this was a rather weak defense as he was referring to Karlon Stark who was a younger son of House Stark who put down a rebel lord 1,000 years earlier and was granted lands and allowed to found his own house (House Karstark) as a reward.
overall I think in the show they make multiple changes to make fan favorite characters like the starks, Jon, Tyrion or I think even Dany smarter, stronger or just alltogether more righteous, while they make attempts to make the oppsition look even worse than in the books often.
well can't blame him robb was like 15 and theon 19 they're both are still a teenager and ned cut the deserter's head with ice, a valyrian sword. robb executed lord rickard with an axe
Since Barristan Selmy was commander of Robert's kingsguard, he was technically supposed to be a member of the small council (although he never attended meetings). Jorah is trying to figure out if he knows about him spying on Dany ... lucky for him Barristan never heard about that!
But Jon SNow and Ned Stark are the biggest heroes....Ned Stark saved Cersei and her kids, tried to step down from his position when Robert tried to involve Ned in a plot to kill Daenerys, despite knowing she almost killed his son, and he trained and raised Jon up to the place where Jon so cared about the innocent lives of other people that he put his Own life at risk to save a 100,000 Wildlings by openning the wall. And guess what, both men died for their deeds. Ned, by Cersei's instigation, and Jon by his embittered enemies who were mad he let Wildlings in.
The Hound and Beric Dondarrion fight scene with the fire for natural lighting was so well done. Loved when Hound won, then growls to Arya, looks like the god likes me more than your butcher's boy!
GoT has some of the finest acting I've ever seen on a TV show! But when Charles Dance is on screen, he just dwarfs (No pun intended) all the other actors! What a F**kin badass actor/character!!
Just wanted to say not only am I enjoying watching your reactions, but your reactions give me better appreciation for the actual show. You guys really get into the characters and their motivations - love it!
The bath scene is definitely the scene that made me see Jamie is a new light. Ever since he was paired with Brienne for this storyline it’s been really hard to dislike him. And can I just say, the ‘I can be your family’ scene still breaks my heart when I watch it.
Remember when I asked you about 2x7 Jaime's words about vows (obey you king, obey your father, protect the innocent, but what if the king orders to slaughter the innocent)? Probably not:). It's kinda true, and a good question to Brienne. What if Renly became insane and ordered to kill the innocent, would she've killed him and forsake the knights (kings guard) vow to protect the king? Jaime was always "grey". He saved the population of King's Landing, then continued to be a jerk and sleep with his own sister, pushed a boy out of window, saved Brienne. We just met him at the point of him being dark, there is no redemption arc for him, his equally guilty and heroic.
*Catelyn* You are no knight. You have forsaken every vow you ever took. *Jamie* So many vows. They make you swear and swear. Defend the king, obey the king, obey your father, protect the innocent defend the weak. But what if your father despises the king? What if the king massacres the innocent? It's too much. No matter what you do, you're forsaking one vow or another. _Jamie takes a look at Brienne_ Where did you find this beast? *Catelyn* She is a truer knight than you will ever be, Kingslayer. *Jamie* Kingslayer. What a king he was. Here's to Aerys Targaryen, the second of his name, Lord of the seven Kingdoms, proctector of the realm, and to the sword i shoved in his back. *Catelyn* You are a man without honor........
Nick, just my opinion, but I doubt Jaime's actions would be so redeemable if he had not been brutalized by Locke during captivity. Getting to experience the "other side of the coin" took his ego down a few notches. I think if he was in Kings Landing and not drinking horse urine, his character would still be quite questionable. …. PEACE.
Nah, I'm pretty sure saving the lives of half a million people is still good whether he drank horse piss or not. It's just that it took the brutalization to get him to open up.
Jaime is a sympathetic character. Yes, he has an incestuous relationship with his sister. And he can be an asshole. But he is also a secret hero and I know several assholes who are redeemable.
Sheila, maybe so, but the thing is, he is still questionable to me ;), loosing his hand made us look at him differently more than him at the world, which did happen, but not as much, he is still pretty much the same. You're right about the ego though, a few notches down indeed.
You have an epic scene in the last episode, and you have an epic scene in this episode with Jaime. This has always been one of my favorite scenes in the show. You finally get to hear his side of the story and it makes you look at him a little differently. As someone said in the previous comments, he is a hero. There are about a million people in Kings Landing and he saved them all, yet he's viewed as the villain. After this scene, I started to understand him better and he's now one of my favorites.
Lady Olenna is played by Diana Rigg. She was in the hit Brit show The Avengers where she played Emma Peel. Another bad ass strong woman character. I watched it as a kid. Loved it.
Can we get a video of you two going over background information? I'd love to see you studying a map, so you have an idea where High Garden is and also to track the movements of Robs army and things like that. Maybe you could also quiz yourselves on House sigils, House words, or character names. Plus lore! How much lore do you have a grasp on yet? Roberts Rebelion? The Age of Heros? You guys are great! Thanks for all you do for us!
I love Tywin, he’s such a boss I’d vote him for president. He’s the most no nonsense, pragmatic guy in the seven kingdoms. He’s not needlessly cruel, he’s just doing whatever it takes to secure the kingdom and keep his family dominant for generations to come.
Charles dance (Tywin) is goddam brilliant love him in this show! I love how Jaime confessed his truth in a bath 🛀 it’s kind of like his baptism being reborn in the audience eyes. Even though we know Jaime as a jerk we can see his humanity in this scene which begs our compassion ❤️
I really like you guys and I think you are really nailing it when it comes to the scenes you are showing in your reactions. I mean, almost every scene which is awesome, important to the story or simply badass, you guys show it, and it's great because some peeps who react to GoT or other shows sometimes don't include awesome scenes because they don't stand out in certain ways, even if they are emotionally heavy.
thank you for this comment... I try very hard to include as much as possible into the reaction, even if we aren't physically reacting to the scene. I really try to tell the story of the episode through our reactions. it's a challenge, but I feel i've got a good rhythm going. - Steven
Cant believe we are in the middle of season 3. Jeez. That was a pretty good episode and great reaction. That Jamie speech still give me goosebumps to this day! And that Tywin scene is hilarious.
Jamie tried to tell everyone. He was basically a hostage. No one would listen. He begged them to listen. When Ned came into that throne room, he was already pissed and fuming. He wouldn't have listened to Jamie.
I love both of your attention to detail. So many moments to come when you'll be rewarded for being such good students of the show. Great reaction as always!
I thought that the Hound stepped back and looked afraid of Beric when he used “blood magic” to burn the sword was because he was afraid of fire. In the first season Littlefinger was telling Sansa the story of how the hound got burned face by his brother.
Nice hair Nikki! its "Y" -Yunkai. Tywin maximizing his play of power which is just like him, one of the most satisfying moments when Tywin shut down Cersei MUAHAHA
Ned sent out Beric and Thoros in season 1 to chase down The Mountain, when the throne went to shit they became the brotherhood without banners because they kinda still is loyal to Robert Baratheon.
Other than the way he treats Tyrion Tywin is my favorite character. Cunning, insanely smart strategists but, as we saw with Arya, not as bad a person (for the era) as he may seem at first. I love how just by changing his tone and staring at Cersei or Joffrey he can intimidate them without even uttering a single threat.
It's a great episode. Nikoloai does a great job with Jamie s scene with Brienne in the bath. Gives the character more depth. Charles Dance oozes family power, totally dominating.
The scene between Jaime and Brienne is one of my favorites of the series. Because up til now we've been led to believe that Jaime is without redemption. But it shows that the act that he's been admonished and condemned for his whole life, he was actually acting heroically. That's what makes for such good character development.
Dave L Well, what choice did he really have at that point? If Bran told, not only would he be executed, but so would Cersei and their children. Not saying he didn't choose that risk when he continued sleeping with Cersei, but logically speaking, it was either this boy or his family.
Garden Rose "You're honor I only tried to kill the kid because he caught be banging my twin sister, but other than that I'm really a good guy." Its no excuse and what does not help is the witty remark just after pushing Bran. Now dont get me wrong I love his evolution, but knowing what I know from the show up to this point he's not the kind of person I would want near my family. Your kid see's the same thing Bran saw, he's probably dead.
Dave L I'm not saying he was right. I'm simply saying that in his position, his choices at that point were very limited when it came to his life and the lives of his loved ones. It was really either let the kid live and greatly risk himself and his loved ones being killed when said kid tells on them, OR try and make his death look like a tragic accident, and save his life as well as the lives of HIS children. I'm not saying what everyone would choose, but when you're faced with the inevitable deaths of either yourself and your loves ones, OR one person, kid or not, what will you do? Its easy to say you wouldnt, until the choice is right in front of you and there's no going back. Again, I'm not saying he didnt put himself there to begin with, but at the end of the day, I think his situation was not at all an easy one to be in and neither was his choice.
I think you are working on absolutes here. If Bran talks its not guaranteed people would believe him, you also have the option to threaten which lowers the risk of him talking. As proven by the show pushing Bran was not much less risky, Bran survived and Cat was already on the right track with her investigation. It takes a pretty big leap for an ordinary person to kill a kid, most normal people would actually risk/give their lives to save a kid.
Rob: Escort Lord Karstark to the dungeon. Hang the rest. Watchman: Mercy sire! Mercy!! I didn’t kill anyone; I just watched for the guards. Rob: This man was the watcher. Hang him last so he can watch the others die first. Me: Damn son! Rob ain’t playing them games.
This might sound harsh, but to all of the commenters who are constantly setting up expectations for future characters, events, Episodes, Seasons, etc. and *not getting* how that is a spoiler, you are The Unknowing Ruiners of All Suspense and Surprises! Nikki & Steven (and indeed, the show) do *not* need your help to foreshadow or build up characters and events in order for them to be impactful. In fact you are actually risking *diminishing* the impact that the reactors might have experienced for themselves by even vaguely discussing things that they have not yet seen. Mentioning a character that has yet to appear, or saying how a character is the greatest thing ever and how much you love them, in the first episode that they even appear in, is a spoiler. If you state how much you love or hate a character based on your own knowledge of future events, that is a spoiler. If you do not think that such things are spoilers, that's fine. But please *respect* the wishes of the people who *do* consider them to be spoilers, i.e. Nikki & Steven, and the mods.
Thank you.
Pinned! - Nikki
Hear, hear!
Ser Elryk Ban the idiot fuckers North of the Wall.
I agree.
For the night is dark and full of spoilers.
They built the wall to protect white walkers from Tywin Lanister.
Then why did they only build it 700ft high?
@@ashscott6068 they ran out of money
@@ashscott6068 The Lannisters cut their funds
@@bads4905 just like Ned head…
I love Jamie's speech about how Ned didn't have the right to already judge him for something he didn't understand.
Except Jaime left out a crucial part of what happened...after stabbing Aerys, he sat cocky on the throne, and when Ned arrived, all he saw was an arrogant young king's guard sitting on the throne over his lord's dead body.
So, Ned judged Jaime according to what Any other man would have done coming upon that situation...he judged Jaime as a scheming young traitor who killed aerys for his own ends....and it Didn't help that Ned knew Tywin had sacked the city and that Jaime himself never told Ned the Whole story like he did for Brienne.
As we All know, despite first appearances, Ned wasn't a rigid, hard man stuck to following the rules unflinchingly....he was actually Very merciful, good, and honest, and he would have more likely applauded Jaime if he knew the whole truth. In fact, Jon Snow learned all his mercy, compassion, and regard for the well being of others from Ned Stark.
So, Sorry, Jaime, you don't get to put that one on Ned....its still All on you.
Undriel Grenger but don’t forget that Jaime sat on the throne with a sword across his knees because some soldiers had already come in and asked Jaime should they declare a new king (implying either him, his father or Robert). He said he could already see the blame in their eyes and told them “declare who you bloody well like” and then sat on the throne. From a show perspective he describes it in one of the blu-ray animated extras, but if I remember that’s pretty close to the books. Ned saw him sitting there as cocky and told him to get up once he got there, to which Jaime replied he was just keeping it warm for Robert, but I don’t think his original intention or attitude was to be cocky when he sat down.
Nobody cares what he Intended, what we care about is the Bad picture he presented to Ned Stark and the other soldiers who saw him sitting there....a picture of a traitor who stabbed his king in the back in order to comspire with his father, Tywin, who was sacking the city. Say what you want, but that's the picture he presented, and Ned judge him for it....especially as Jaime had no spine and couldn't see to even tell Ned the truth, but later confesses After Neds death to Brienne in a Bath of ALL places!
Undriel Grenger I almost forgot that, that happened. It's even worse in the book since in the book the throne is huge and you have to walk up stairs if swords just to get to it.
Anon Ymous in the book though you have to walk up a set of stairs to sit on the throne because the throne is huge
Charles Dance as Tywin is so great he dominates every scene where he is in.
Tywin as a character is great too. A man who wants to give everything for his house, and knows what's best for his house.
Indeed. However seeing him wearing a mini skirt in Ali G in da house! 🤣
Jaime Lannister is universally reviled for his one truly heroic act. Classic GRRM, wrapping a hero in villainy. No wonder Jaime is so bitter & jaded. Notice as he collapses, Brienne yells out "the Kingslayer!" and he finally asserts his real identity: "Jaime; my name is Jaime." The bathtub confession to Brienne = one of my top 10 all time favorite moments, hands down. (pun intended)
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@Hammertapping: I think you've missed the point here. The reason why Jaime's act was so heroic was that he LOVED being a knight and a kingsguard. At one stage, that was all he wanted. He knew that killing Aerys would dishonor him for life, yet he did it anyway just to save 500,000 people. He put the safety of other people (and doing the right thing) above his own honor, dreams, and goals. And that's a pretty brave thing to do!
Robin Melendez "I think it passing odd that I am loved by one for a kindness I never did, and reviled by so many for my finest act."
hammertapping, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't remember Jamie doing any reviled things that are public knowledge previous to the end of season 1. We know personally that he has sex with his sister and pushed Bran out the window, but besides those two things what has he done that is public knowledge? He's already looked down upon when we meet him in the first episode. This was before he pushed Bran out the window and before we as an audience know that he's having sex with his sister and it is not public knowledge. They have their suspicions, but he doesn't even confess that is it was him until season 2. What terrible things has Jamie done, other than those two things that anyone would have knowledge to hate him?
hammertapping, except for Barristan Selmy undermines everything you just said.
Loved that you kept in the jaime confession scene, ive always loved that scene and nickolaj coster waldau (jaime) is an incredible actor who really shows his talent there
Stannis the grammar Nazi Loving your name! ;-)
And bear in mind that he's acting with his non-native accent in a second language. Not everyone can pull that off.
Nickolaj is awesome here. One of my best scene ever.
I am so grateful that GRRM put his foot down on the casting. We got to see so many great actors from Europe & Australia plus all the UK classic legends.
Stannis> I've not ive. You also missed a period at the end of the sentence. You also need "I" at the start of the first one. Jaime is misspelled. And should have a capitol J.
Re Grey Worm choosing to keep his name, it is even more symbolic in the books than is portrayed in the TV show. In the books the Unsullied are given a new name every day, drawn by lots; one being a colour and the second a type of vermin. So one day he would be Grey Worm and the next day he may be Red Flea or White Rat or any one of many other combinations. This is to stop them forming any sort of personal identity. So in the book he was Grey Worm on the day that Daenerys freed him. That is why it was such a lucky name for him and why he chose to keep it. I think the TV show giving the impression that Grey Worm was a permanent name for him loses much of the necessary context there. Still a great scene though!
Tulkas219 I didn’t know that. Definitely gives it more meaning. 👍
wow, thanks for that, I appreciate that moment more now
Tulkas219 yep n they didnt even keep it in lol
I really need to read this again....I cannot recall that!
One of the best episodes. Jaime/Brienne scene was huge especially for Jaime’s character.
"Dark is night and full of terrors" - Steven, 2018.
I noticed that too. :-)
Oz he is apart of the trash people from TWD
Well said, well said ;)
Works for me.
Maybe Steven was thinking about Batman
The bath tub scene is probably one of the best scenes in TV !!
Bronze Leopard I’m taking about that fact we discuss the Mad King ! Cmon 🔥🔥🔥🔥 BURN THEM ALL
XD I love you, George
George Alexander
That's Jamie's interpretation of what happened.
Kadeem Barrett 😉😉
It was well acted, I will say that much, but it annoyed me that Jaime wouldn't leave when he was asked to.
I always figured the reason Jaime refused milk of the poppy during his surgery is because he wanted to be clear minded so Qyburn didn’t do what he initially wanted, and amputate his arm much higher
Ah didn't think of that, good call - Nikki
“By what right does the wolf judge the lion” awesome quote from Jamie Lannister
My favorite
"The King Beyond the North"
"The Thrid-Eyed Raven"
"The Bannerless Brotherhood."
"The dark is night and full of terrors."
Steven, you're worse than my mom, dude! XD
Ser Elryk 🤣🤣😆🤣😆🤣😆
Nikki gets everything right so it's perfect balance. - Steven
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
@@ABY68193 so funny
I love Tywin. Charles Dance was the perfect man to cast. Such a powerful aura
RustyShakleford
He really is!!
I'd do whatever that man wanted, lol!!!! The actor or the character 😆😆😆😊😊😊
A must see for Charles Dance fans: ruclips.net/video/-3POYx6IeeI/видео.html
That was the chapter/scene where everyone realized that Jaime actually has a 3D personality and is not some 2D villain. George RR Martin really knows how to write characters.
I love how Cersei goes from glee to dismay upon hearing about her brothers marriage and then her own, haha! xD
TrueTargaryen2012 hell yes!! 😂😂
Next episode when Tyrion and Cersei’s are trying to figure who has the worse deAl in the arrangement.
That's the second time I've been killed by a Clegane. Another classic line.
Mc Shagan pronounced Shaegen...Yarp, many ppl don't catch that.
Don't you love it when in the middle of fear, hope, suspense, fire and blood...... a grey tail appears on the left side of screen ??? 😸😸😸
_"You know nuthin' Jon Sn... ohh! .... Ohh!"_ 😂
And that led to the marriage IRL 😉
@@MariaStarkTargaryen what??!
@@lawdawgm2844 Rose Leslie (Ygritte) and Kit Harrington (Jon Snow) are married irl
@@lawdawgm2844 The actor of Jon snow and the actress of Ygritte married each other in real life.
If you look back to season 1, you see that Ned does hate Jaime and doesn't want to extend an olive branch between them. In the throne room Jaime says that he did Ned a service, kiling the evil man who burned Ned's father and brother. Ned is so blindly loyal however, that he instead calls Jaime a coward for killing a king he was supposed to defend. In some way, Jaime probably used to look up to Ned and wanted his approval.
The bath scene with Brienne where Jaime reveals the truth about what he did at the end of the rebellion is one of my favorite scenes in the series. It's so perfectly acted and shows how layered he is and the depth behind the facade he has had put up due to the reputation he got for killing the Mad King. He is hated for his most heroic act... something like that would leave most people jaded and cynical, I think.
And Ned Stark definitely wouldn't have listened to his side. He was a good, honorable guy, but stubborn and unwilling to see the nuance of the situation. All he saw was a man that broke his vow and he would never respect Jaime even if knew the whole story. That was always Ned's weakness. He was too focused on what is honorable over what is right. The one time he did what was right instead, he lost his head because Joffrey is an idiot and a monster though. Some nice parallel and dramatic irony there for Eddard and Jaime, one killed for finally putting something before his honor, the other hated for doing his most honorable act.
Citron To quote myself from another reply, no.
"Martin Wood Ned is capable of nuance, Jamie's word on him isn't law.
Maybe Ned wouldn't have judged him so heavily had he not walked into the throne room after fighting a brutal war and just saw Tywin literally sack the city, only for Jaime to be smugly sitting on the throne with his sword across his lap, never seeking to explain himself.
Yes, Jaime did the right thing and acted in a rash manner out of trauma and was defensive upon Ned's arrival, naturally.
But that doesn't make Ned equivalent to a nazi "just following orders," especially when Ned wouldn't sit by idly when Robert did things he judged immoral, like try to assasinate Dany, and more, the whole situation was just fucked.
Tired of this Jaime stans just accepting his spiel as fact and not just one perspective.
Honestly he's jealous of his honourable Ned is more than anything, he wishes he was as good of a man."
Hell, Ned even sought to understand Jamie pushing Bran from the window and wonder if he would do the same.
Also more wrong, Ned put Jon's safety/life over his honor by keeping him.
Ned's rule and morality is guided by compassion.
Gone Yesterday I've never compared Ned to a nazi and anyone that did is ridiculous. But it's clear that Ned's fatal flaw was always his honor. His honor lead to his death because he warned Cersei first and then never told Robert the truth. The one time he truly forsake his honor, it was as a last result under the belief it would save his daughters. Ned never forgave Jaime for killing Aerys and he never would. Not for the act of killing the Mad King in itself, but because Jaime was had sworn a vow to protect the King. Regardless of whether or not Jaime made the right call (he did), Ned wouldn't have forgiven him breaking his oath. His rigidity when it comes to trying to uphold his honor and his view of what is honorable is a cornerstone of Ned's character and Martin intentionally wrote him that way to show that trying to be fully pure usually just gets you killed and isn't realistic.
As Jaime said, Ned judged him the moment he saw him upon entering the throne room. Should Jaime have lounged on the throne? Probably not, but Eddard immediately formed a negative opinion of Jaime and didn't even bother to ask what happened. He even later questions Robert's decision to allow Jaime to remain on the Kingsguard because he distrusts him as an oathbreaker. To someone like Ned the oath is often more important than the nuance. I'm not saying he lacks nuance in all matters, but in this instance Jaime judged Ned correctly. He had no interest in Jaime's side of the story -- he was a Kingslayer and oathbreaker and that was that. Ned was a good man and capable of mercy and reason most of the time, but generally he was too rigid in his views when the world is shades of gray and he lived in one that was more stark... pardon the pun.
Citron Ned's honor didn't lead to his death against Cersei, it was his compassion for children and revulsion at the thought of harming them, and you can't say that Ned would have never understood when he's willing to try and empathize with his son's attempted murderers.
Ned judged Jaime yes, as anyone would judge anyone, especially the son of the man currently sacking the city, lounging on the throne, while the children and women he was sworn to protect were brutally murdered.
Why the wouldn't battle scarred Ned take affront to this?
He judged and Jaime withheld crucial information.
Gone Yesterday Ned's honor and compassion are intertwined. That's the problem. It's SPOILERS FOR ANYONE THAT ISNT UP TO DATE the same reason Robb makes so many crucial mistakes too, he is trying to emulate his father and do the honorable thing and it ends badly for him because it clouds his ability to be reasonable.
Whether or not Jaime's father was sacking the city or not should have no bearing on Ned's judgement of Jaime. Jaime didn't let them into the city. And you keep pushing the burden onto Jaime to explain when Ned immediately passed his own personal judgement and never even asked. Sure, Jaime probably should have explained, but Ned Stark never would have forgiven breaking a vow like the one the Kingsguard swear. Just like he would never pardon a deserter from the Night's Watch even if they had a legitimate reason to leave in theory. His idea of honor was too rigid and not fit for the realities of how things work outside of the North. Yes, Ned had compassion, but he had disdain for oathbreakers. Otherwise he would have, in the ~17 years between the end of the Rebellion and the start of the series would have asked Jaime why he killed his King or attempted to understand the situation more. He never did. And Jaime never bothered to go out of his way to explain because he saw he was judged a man without honor the moment Ned saw him sitting near his slain King and so he tried to embrace his persona and be the man everyone thought he was in public. He eventually gave up bothering to see if Stark would ever wonder about the realities and nuance of the situation and tried to move on embracing his Kingslayer persona, though we see that truly he hates it and dislikes that he is hated for his most honorable act and its all a facade. The fact that Ned strongly disagrees with Jaime retaining his position illustrates that he's unwilling to look past his status as an oathbreaker. If he cared to know the truth, he would have asked instead of assuming the worst of a Jaime -- who was still really just a boy -- when he saw him on the iron throne with a bloody sword.
I feel like you're totally ignoring Ned's flaws and putting it all on Jaime. The young Jaime definitely could have helped himself by not sitting on the Throne or trying to explain, I'm not denying that, but given what we know about Ned, I doubt it would have mattered. Oaths more sacred than lives to him in many ways. That is why he risked shaming himself to keep his oath to Lyanna and why it was such a big deal when he lied to attempt to save his daughters by falsely admitting to breaking his oath as Hand by trying to usurp the Crown. Before the mention of his daughter's lives, the thought doesn't even enter his head as he would rather die than lie about the true heir which would be breaking his oath to the realm and the true King Stannis.
Except Jaime left out a crucial part of what happened...after stabbing Aerys, he sat cocky on the throne, and when Ned arrived, all he saw was an arrogant young king's guard sitting on the throne over his lord's dead body. So, Ned judged Jaime according to what Any other man would have done coming upon that situation...he judged Jaime as a scheming young traitor who killed aerys for his own ends....and it Didn't help that Ned knew Tywin had sacked the city and that Jaime himself never told Ned the Whole story like he did for Brienne. As we All know, despite first appearances, Ned wasn't a rigid, hard man stuck to following the rules unflinchingly....he was actually Very merciful, good, and honest, and he would have more likely applauded Jaime if he knew the whole truth. In fact, Jon Snow learned all his mercy, compassion, and regard for the well being of others from Ned Stark. So, Sorry, Jaime, you don't get to put that one on Ned....its still All on you.
Sorry, but Jaime didn't give up bothering...He never even tried...that's why Ned never asked during those 17 years. Jaime Gave Ned No Reason to ask Anything lol! Other than to judge him as a disloyal kings guard who more likely killed Aerys for his own ends...
Jaime's backstory to his Kingslayer name...one of my favorite scenes in the series, and really adds more complexity to his character.
He was deemed a dishonorable man for doing what was honestly a brave and noble thing; killing a mad man who would have killed everyone around them.
He served him well when serving was safe .
hammertapping if one thing this series taught us is that an honorable act may not be a good act, and vice-versa.
hammertapping but that is what I meant. What Jaime did was lacking of honor and was considered bad in the eyes of everyone, but what he did was a good thing.
Ikr? If you were bodyguard to a genocidal tyrant who gave the order to nuke his own city, would you keep your honor by _“just following orders”_ or stop that from happening?
volz man Ned was mad that Jaime didn’t “choose to stop” serving the Mad King when Ned’s father and brother were being tortured to death in the throne room. What made it worse for Ned was that now he wouldn’t get to confront the Mad King himself and get closure. Tywin Lannister doing his thing made it look worse and seem like a coordinated effort.
Jamie's speech is what made him my favorite character. It's one of the few scene's which rivals tyrion's speech.
@8:52: ... and this is why she is nicknamed ‘the Queen of Thorns’ even if she is no queen 😄
Jaime is definitely the most interesting and complex character on the show. The more you understand his back story the more you empathise with him.
Charles Dance is awesome! When he said, “My children” did anyone get chills?
"By what right does the wolf judge the lion?"
One of the best lines of the damn show.
These conversations that tell much more about the backstory of the characters is one of the strong points of this show
that jaime brienne scene is one of favorites of the entire series, this is also a very underrated episode!
1. The Lord of Light is real
2. Jaime was 17/18 years old when he stuck his sword through the back of the Mad King, whom he had sworn to defend with his life. He was a teenager.
3. Your reactions as a pair is simply precious. The way your jaws drop simultaneously at a cliffhanger, or your eyebrows arch up at a sudden turn of events is interesting and a bit funny. I love it. Really enjoying watching you on this journey. Seven Blessings to you both!
Thats the paradox of Jaime Lannister. People insult him for quite possibly the most heroic thing he did.
So far my 3 favorite moments of the show are:
1. Robb telling Maester Luwin to call all the banners
2. Barristan Selmy meets Daeneris
3. "The Kingslayer!" "Jaime. My name is Jaime"
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4. Ned Stark calls Beric Dondarrion to bring justice upon "false knight sir Gregor Clegane" and orders Tywin to come to the court to answer for the crimes of his bannermen.
13:41 The bathtub scene with Brienne and Jaime is one of the best scenes in Game of Thrones and it was good character development for Jaime Lannister.
I love every scene that Tywin is in. The way he commands respect is just awesome to watch
That bathtub scene was so great I love to see Jamie fight for his identity, “my name is Jamie”. He did still push Bran out the window but he’s not all bad. He just became bitter of his misunderstood reputation
Montana Donaldson Yep. Imagine having your honor taken away by what was probably one of the most heroic acts of honor during that awful time period... that's enough to make anyone jaded and angry at the rest of society. It doesn't excuse his actions, but imagine what that does to the psyche of a person. Those final words, "Jamie. My name's Jamie" are a poignant cry for his identity. Gets me every time.
Montana Donaldson
Wildling jacuzzi :)
J A M I E - Y O U T H E M A N 👍 . This episode really solidified Jamie as a character. He went against his duty, loyalty, his king and his vows as a king's guard in order to protect his family, particularly his father. It's complicated but it is this episode people start to feel empathy for Jamie; what he went through and how he has to live with being called Kingslayer and having his honour questioned every day. Where as ROB killed Lord Karstark because he too, had his honour and loyalty questioned.
Nikolaj fucking killed it in this scene!! I’m really hoping he gets the Emmy this year since he’s finally nominated.
Lady Tyrell is my old Lady spirit animal. If I can't be Cher or Betty White when I grow up I want to be her. Giving Tyrion SO much sass.
Cher and Betty White never married James Bond...
I love that we finally heard Jaime's side of the story from Robert's Rebellion. It is such a moving scene, and it is so well acted by Nikolaj Coster-Waldau and Gwendoline Christie. They have such great chemistry with each other. Another great reaction in the books! :D
Nikki "Always know I will never weep with joy." Lmao
Betrothals in Westeros are a very big deal. Robert started his rebellion because Rhaegar took Lyanna. Robb is in a bit of a pickle.
That is not true at all. The mad king murdered Rickard and Brandon Stark and more important people then he called Jon Arryn to give him the heads of Eddard and Robert. Jon Arryn refused and raised his banners in open rebellion. Robert and Eddard raised theirs after. Jon Arryn started the war. The reason it is called Robert's Rebellion is because he was the leader and the one who became king.
Still so the Rebellion was fuelled on the ''theft'' of Lyanna by Rhaegar.
By what right does the wolf judge the lion? BY WHAT RIGHT?
Such an amazing scene.
The right that simply put, the wolf is more honest and upright than the lion...end of story.
Well, that's the attitude that got it killed.
Undriel Grenger you’re a fucking idiot.
@@undrielgrenger53 I really liked Neds character, but him being honest and upright got his head chopped off. Ned is self righteous. He didn't know what Jaime was thinking, he just assumed that Jaime killed the mad king because he didn't want to be caught on the wrong side, and he treated him with disdain because of it.
the jamie confession scene, damn, really hits, george martin has famously said "the war for good and evil exists within the individual human heart"
I always found this scene with Jamie in the tub great. It feels like a turning point for Jamie, where you don't just think of him as the kingslayer or the dude that does the nasty with his sister. I don't think they explain in the show, but In the books they go into a bit more detail about when Ned found Jamie after he had killed the mad king. It wasn't just that Jamie had killed him, but when Ned arrived Jamie was actually sitting on the Iron Throne, his sword still covered with the King's blood. Adds a few more layers as to why Ned would have a hard time believing Jamie's story
Tywin is my favourite character by far. Charles Dance delivers a masterfully terrifying performance and dominates every single scene that he's part of. Amazing casting for an amazing role.
I strongly 2nd this. I mean he might be a horrible person (Tywin) but he gets sh*t done. And he was definitely the powerhouse of the Lannisters. And I love how he also stuck it to Cersei aswell, not just Tyrion this time xD
LOL Nikki hinting to Steven that she wouldn't weep with joy if she catches him.... LOL!
Since Tywin came back he is the King. He is so smart. I like him so much.
Another Novel Note: In A Storm of Swords, Lord Karstark's execution was just as messy as Ser Rodrik's execution by Theon. Rather than finishing the act in a single stroke, Robb needed a few swings of the sword to finish the job. These executions served as demonstrations that Theon and Robb were not nearly as strong as Ned was (and it could be argued that Ice's Valyrian steel made the difference). The change to Karstark's execution was to show off Robb's strength.
Hey I didn't know that! That's interesting.
Kasey Kasket: Something else of note: they kept Karstark's last defense against being executed that he and Robb are kin the same. Kin-slaying is a grievous crime and sin in Westeros. Unfortunately, this was a rather weak defense as he was referring to Karlon Stark who was a younger son of House Stark who put down a rebel lord 1,000 years earlier and was granted lands and allowed to found his own house (House Karstark) as a reward.
overall I think in the show they make multiple changes to make fan favorite characters like the starks, Jon, Tyrion or I think even Dany smarter, stronger or just alltogether more righteous, while they make attempts to make the oppsition look even worse than in the books often.
*Axe. Robb executed Karstark with an axe in the book, not a sword.
well can't blame him robb was like 15 and theon 19 they're both are still a teenager and ned cut the deserter's head with ice, a valyrian sword. robb executed lord rickard with an axe
I’m getting Targaryen vibes from Nikki and Stark vibes from Steven. Gotta be the hair color, LOL!
Another good reaction!
Rai Anthony me too! I think I know the perfect Halloween costumes for them 😏
I just realised that I am hunting your videos every single day oh......
Mr. Nice Man me too man... they are great
Ha! Same!
Mr. Nice Man, same here....LOL
Gandhi Skywalker ya same lol cuz I haven’t seen WestWorld yet😭
Saaaammmee. Finally im free to watch it.
Since Barristan Selmy was commander of Robert's kingsguard, he was technically supposed to be a member of the small council (although he never attended meetings). Jorah is trying to figure out if he knows about him spying on Dany ... lucky for him Barristan never heard about that!
Fun fact: the Queen of Thorns was a Bond girl. The only Bond girl to get James to put a ring on it. She has always been awesome.
bill hicks
Awesome fun fact 👌🤓✨
And one of the before the Avengers Avenger. Mrs. Emma Peel, she of the black catsuit.
Jaime is the biggest Hero of the show.He saved about 500 000 people by preventing the mad King from burning King's Landing to the ground.
Jaime*
J'aime (I love) ... in French.
But Jon SNow and Ned Stark are the biggest heroes....Ned Stark saved Cersei and her kids, tried to step down from his position when Robert tried to involve Ned in a plot to kill Daenerys, despite knowing she almost killed his son, and he trained and raised Jon up to the place where Jon so cared about the innocent lives of other people that he put his Own life at risk to save a 100,000 Wildlings by openning the wall.
And guess what, both men died for their deeds. Ned, by Cersei's instigation, and Jon by his embittered enemies who were mad he let Wildlings in.
@@undrielgrenger53 still not comparable to saving 500 000,while sacrificing your own honour and image
@@sawabozovic agreed.
I freaking love Robb 😭 all the starks❤️ Tywin was amazing at the end, poor Sansa.
Jon: We shouldn't
Ygritte: We should
Jon: ok
Well she *did* make a good argument!
Ser Elryk
With that accent lol he did say he likes red heads back in s02 I believe lol
The Hound and Beric Dondarrion fight scene with the fire for natural lighting was so well done.
Loved when Hound won, then growls to Arya, looks like the god likes me more than your butcher's boy!
When papa lion roars, everyone listens! Badass Tywin!
GoT has some of the finest acting I've ever seen on a TV show! But when Charles Dance is on screen, he just dwarfs (No pun intended) all the other actors! What a F**kin badass actor/character!!
Arya to Gendry: I could be your family.
Gendry to Arya: No, you’d be my lady.
❤️❤️❤️🦌🐺
Cant get over how great the execution scene is. The camera work, the music, the weather, the performances. Its so god damn strong.
Steve & Nikki!!! Did you notice that the music playing when Robb beheaded Lord Karstark is the same music that played when Theon beheaded Ser Rodrick?
I did not notice that... that's interesting. - Steven
For me, this is the best episode of the show. So many good moments and solid character development.
Tywin is a total G! He put those kids in their place 😂😂😂
Just wanted to say not only am I enjoying watching your reactions, but your reactions give me better appreciation for the actual show. You guys really get into the characters and their motivations - love it!
Thank you, that's so nice to hear! - Nikki
The bath scene is definitely the scene that made me see Jamie is a new light. Ever since he was paired with Brienne for this storyline it’s been really hard to dislike him. And can I just say, the ‘I can be your family’ scene still breaks my heart when I watch it.
Remember when I asked you about 2x7 Jaime's words about vows (obey you king, obey your father, protect the innocent, but what if the king orders to slaughter the innocent)? Probably not:).
It's kinda true, and a good question to Brienne. What if Renly became insane and ordered to kill the innocent, would she've killed him and forsake the knights (kings guard) vow to protect the king?
Jaime was always "grey". He saved the population of King's Landing, then continued to be a jerk and sleep with his own sister, pushed a boy out of window, saved Brienne.
We just met him at the point of him being dark, there is no redemption arc for him, his equally guilty and heroic.
*Catelyn* You are no knight. You have forsaken every vow you ever took.
*Jamie* So many vows. They make you swear and swear. Defend the king, obey the king, obey your father, protect the innocent defend the weak. But what if your father despises the king? What if the king massacres the innocent? It's too much. No matter what you do, you're forsaking one vow or another. _Jamie takes a look at Brienne_ Where did you find this beast?
*Catelyn* She is a truer knight than you will ever be, Kingslayer.
*Jamie* Kingslayer. What a king he was. Here's to Aerys Targaryen, the second of his name, Lord of the seven Kingdoms, proctector of the realm, and to the sword i shoved in his back.
*Catelyn* You are a man without honor........
Nick, just my opinion, but I doubt Jaime's actions would be so redeemable if he had not been brutalized by Locke during captivity. Getting to experience the "other side of the coin" took his ego down a few notches. I think if he was in Kings Landing and not drinking horse urine, his character would still be quite questionable. …. PEACE.
Nah, I'm pretty sure saving the lives of half a million people is still good whether he drank horse piss or not. It's just that it took the brutalization to get him to open up.
Jaime is a sympathetic character. Yes, he has an incestuous relationship with his sister. And he can be an asshole. But he is also a secret hero and I know several assholes who are redeemable.
Sheila, maybe so, but the thing is, he is still questionable to me ;), loosing his hand made us look at him differently more than him at the world, which did happen, but not as much, he is still pretty much the same. You're right about the ego though, a few notches down indeed.
You have an epic scene in the last episode, and you have an epic scene in this episode with Jaime. This has always been one of my favorite scenes in the show. You finally get to hear his side of the story and it makes you look at him a little differently. As someone said in the previous comments, he is a hero. There are about a million people in Kings Landing and he saved them all, yet he's viewed as the villain. After this scene, I started to understand him better and he's now one of my favorites.
Lady Olenna is played by Diana Rigg. She was in the hit Brit show The Avengers where she played Emma Peel. Another bad ass strong woman character. I watched it as a kid. Loved it.
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Diana is a flawless actress ! A walking Legend.
In case you weren't aware. Beric Dondarion is the knight that Ned Stark sent to hunt down the Mountain.
I don't know if anyone's already mentioned it but fun fact: Kit Harrington (Jon snow) and Rose Leslie (Ygritte) recently got married in real life!
I like how Steven went from "Please just slice his head off, Robb" to "Oh shit. He did it."
The bathtub scene is my favorite GoT scene. The acting, the story, the music.... Simply amazing.
Can we get a video of you two going over background information? I'd love to see you studying a map, so you have an idea where High Garden is and also to track the movements of Robs army and things like that. Maybe you could also quiz yourselves on House sigils, House words, or character names. Plus lore! How much lore do you have a grasp on yet? Roberts Rebelion? The Age of Heros? You guys are great! Thanks for all you do for us!
This is one of those episodes where nothing too shocking or amazing happens but it is packed full of great scenes that make the characters real.
I love Tywin, he’s such a boss I’d vote him for president. He’s the most no nonsense, pragmatic guy in the seven kingdoms. He’s not needlessly cruel, he’s just doing whatever it takes to secure the kingdom and keep his family dominant for generations to come.
Who else focuses on Nikki's reaction, and then backs up to focus on Steven's reaction, for every scene? XD
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I like to watch together it's very interesting chemistry
Age of the Witch My 1st watch is for both. Then 2 more watches to focus on them individually lol.
Charles dance (Tywin) is goddam brilliant love him in this show! I love how Jaime confessed his truth in a bath 🛀 it’s kind of like his baptism being reborn in the audience eyes. Even though we know Jaime as a jerk we can see his humanity in this scene which begs our compassion ❤️
God damn Tywin's scenes are fucking awesome.
Dude is cool, commanding and badass. Nothing he does is without purpose.
Good job Charles Dance.
I really like you guys and I think you are really nailing it when it comes to the scenes you are showing in your reactions. I mean, almost every scene which is awesome, important to the story or simply badass, you guys show it, and it's great because some peeps who react to GoT or other shows sometimes don't include awesome scenes because they don't stand out in certain ways, even if they are emotionally heavy.
thank you for this comment... I try very hard to include as much as possible into the reaction, even if we aren't physically reacting to the scene. I really try to tell the story of the episode through our reactions. it's a challenge, but I feel i've got a good rhythm going. - Steven
Cant believe we are in the middle of season 3. Jeez. That was a pretty good episode and great reaction. That Jamie speech still give me goosebumps to this day! And that Tywin scene is hilarious.
daddy lannister is one of my favourite character... btw you have your own lannister pet... i saw his/her tail love you guys
Jamie tried to tell everyone. He was basically a hostage. No one would listen. He begged them to listen. When Ned came into that throne room, he was already pissed and fuming. He wouldn't have listened to Jamie.
"Dark is night and full off terrors " there you go ! 😭😭😭 i spit out my coffee idk why that was so funny to me !
I love both of your attention to detail. So many moments to come when you'll be rewarded for being such good students of the show. Great reaction as always!
I thought that the Hound stepped back and looked afraid of Beric when he used “blood magic” to burn the sword was because he was afraid of fire. In the first season Littlefinger was telling Sansa the story of how the hound got burned face by his brother.
Nice hair Nikki! its "Y" -Yunkai. Tywin maximizing his play of power which is just like him, one of the most satisfying moments when Tywin shut down Cersei MUAHAHA
Ned sent out Beric and Thoros in season 1 to chase down The Mountain, when the throne went to shit they became the brotherhood without banners because they kinda still is loyal to Robert Baratheon.
Other than the way he treats Tyrion Tywin is my favorite character. Cunning, insanely smart strategists but, as we saw with Arya, not as bad a person (for the era) as he may seem at first. I love how just by changing his tone and staring at Cersei or Joffrey he can intimidate them without even uttering a single threat.
It's a great episode. Nikoloai does a great job with Jamie s scene with Brienne in the bath. Gives the character more depth. Charles Dance oozes family power, totally dominating.
The scene between Jaime and Brienne is one of my favorites of the series. Because up til now we've been led to believe that Jaime is without redemption. But it shows that the act that he's been admonished and condemned for his whole life, he was actually acting heroically. That's what makes for such good character development.
My sweet summer children. I feel like Tywin is the type of father who makes you bring him “daddies belt”
Tormund : if you lie to me I'll pull your guts out threw your throat 😂😂 love this guy #RealSavage
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I love that Jaime / Brienne scène. It was the first time i liked the Jaime character.
I started to turn more to liking him when he saved Brienne from being raped, but this episode full out his character much more.
I never disliked Jaime as an asshole, but with that episode he turned to one of my favorites of this show.
EDIT: it is Yunkai.
You didnt even dislike him when he tried to kill a kid who saw him having sex with his twin sister (without ever showing any remorse) ?
Dave L Well, what choice did he really have at that point? If Bran told, not only would he be executed, but so would Cersei and their children. Not saying he didn't choose that risk when he continued sleeping with Cersei, but logically speaking, it was either this boy or his family.
Garden Rose "You're honor I only tried to kill the kid because he caught be banging my twin sister, but other than that I'm really a good guy." Its no excuse and what does not help is the witty remark just after pushing Bran. Now dont get me wrong I love his evolution, but knowing what I know from the show up to this point he's not the kind of person I would want near my family. Your kid see's the same thing Bran saw, he's probably dead.
Dave L I'm not saying he was right. I'm simply saying that in his position, his choices at that point were very limited when it came to his life and the lives of his loved ones. It was really either let the kid live and greatly risk himself and his loved ones being killed when said kid tells on them, OR try and make his death look like a tragic accident, and save his life as well as the lives of HIS children.
I'm not saying what everyone would choose, but when you're faced with the inevitable deaths of either yourself and your loves ones, OR one person, kid or not, what will you do? Its easy to say you wouldnt, until the choice is right in front of you and there's no going back.
Again, I'm not saying he didnt put himself there to begin with, but at the end of the day, I think his situation was not at all an easy one to be in and neither was his choice.
I think you are working on absolutes here. If Bran talks its not guaranteed people would believe him, you also have the option to threaten which lowers the risk of him talking. As proven by the show pushing Bran was not much less risky, Bran survived and Cat was already on the right track with her investigation. It takes a pretty big leap for an ordinary person to kill a kid, most normal people would actually risk/give their lives to save a kid.
Oh man, every time I watch this episode and Arya asked him if he can bring back a man without a head ... I cry! So sad!
One of my favorite lines in the entire show..."kill me and be cursed you are no king of mine"
Sansa is meant to be 14 years old in this season which people often forget because Sophie Turner looks older than that
This episode speaks volumes and gives a lot of great insight into the characters, all of them. Another great reaction.
Rob: Escort Lord Karstark to the dungeon. Hang the rest.
Watchman: Mercy sire! Mercy!! I didn’t kill anyone; I just watched for the guards.
Rob: This man was the watcher. Hang him last so he can watch the others die first.
Me: Damn son! Rob ain’t playing them games.
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“Always know, I would never ‘weep with joy’”
I think my wife said the same thing the first time we watched this 😂😂😂