Robert Pillsen-Rahier - Runaway or Victim? Colorado Springs, CO | SEARCHLIGHT
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
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Congratulations on 8 years. You’re the only true crime channel I watch because you respect and care about the families.
Same. Been watching him since Elisa case and he has grown so much!
This case is heartbreaking. Obviously just speculating, but it seems like Bobby was being sexually abused and was going to tell his mother. HUGE red flags with the staff!
The fact that he had blood stains in his underwear, certainly sounds suspicious to me. Sexual abuse was the first thing that came to my mind when I heard that statement. I think there was abuse going on, and Bobby was "done away with" to keep the abuse a secret. Bobby was emotionally vulnerable, and someone unfortunately took advantage of that fact
I agree and I think he was running in the field got shot and killed by this person or maybe had a heart attack or some fatal thing it can happen, appendix burst who knows.
I agree 💯. I wonder if the police records show that they interviewed every employee at the center. Who knows what the hiring process was, or if there was a sex offender registry yet. If I was an investigator, I would re check out everyone who worked at the center, maybe there's someone who's been fired for abuse more recently. Someone at the center, killed him.
Hi Mr John. As a nurse in the 90's at a mental health facility, the staff is required to get assistance from other staff to prevent the client from leaving and if combative police are called and the nurse has a standing order for a sedative. Then a report is filed etc. This is a cover up of something that the staff were involved in. Tragic case. Prayers for Bobby's family ❤
That's what I thought; as any kind of care fascility, you have a duty of care, especially to minors in your care. I remember even my primary and secondary school teachers were adamant about their duty of care.
The troubled teen industry can be so exploitative to families and traumatic for the kids, I don't know what needs to be done, but something needs to change. Wilderness Therapy has come under fire more recently and the stories are heartbreaking and blood boiling.
Such a strange story, John. Lots of red flags. No shoes, unknown clothes, laying on a field? It makes no sense to me, he did not seem to be trying to scape.
Most treatment centers have clothing for the patients especially when it's a children's facility. They grow out of their clothes very quickly.
I think there were some very bad things going on at that place, and Robert was ready to tell his mother. The fact that his behaviour worsened when he was back for the summer, and the blood in his underwear all point to SA, and unfortunately, child treatment centres are magnets for abusers in any job position, as John said, from therapists to janitors. It could have been anybody there, or it could have been an overall culture of abuse. In my own work in a trauma and crisis treatment program for adults, I've seen too many people who were victimized in youth treatment facilities, and whose families allowed the abuse to go on either because they didn't believe their child (if they even spoke up about it), because they were abusers too, or because they just didn't care. I don't want to go into detail about the damage done to these people who needed help at their most vulnerable; suffice to say it's sickening. And although I'm not sure, I think that these facilities are actually far more strictly regulated in my country than they are in the United States! Though there are sick individuals and institutional cultures of abuse everywhere that there are people, unfortunately, and some of us just try the best we can to pick up the pieces and put them back together.
One thing that I think is a factor in any case involving the abuse of children is the fact that in our society they are largely viewed as "less human" than adults, and even as the property of their parents. This is, imho, a dangerous way of thinking. It makes people care less about what children feel or think, and about how their experiences might affect them for the rest of their lives. And it gives them the sense that kids don't deserve autonomy of any sort, including over their own bodies. I'm not suggesting that underage children whose bodies and minds aren't fully grown should have all the rights of fully developed adults, which would be dangerous for everyone involved, but that we should think less of kids as being somewhere between full people and pets, and more like mini-people who are still learning how to be people and will make mistakes, but deserve grace and compassion when they do. I'll admit that child psychology isn't my field and I'm not a parent, but I've taken a very active role in helping to raise my nieces, and so far, they're turning out to be an incredible pair of mini-humans, who I both adore and respect.
These are just some thoughts; this case enraged and sickened me because I can see all too clearly what probably happened, and how easily it could have been avoided if someone had raised the alarm about what was going on at that facility.
Eight seasons of Searchlight?! Wow. Congratulations John and team. You guys are doing so much good and setting what I wish was the standard in this space.
I can't say that I know exactly what happened here but I definitely feel like Robert didn't leave this facility alive. So many places that are supposed to be a safe haven for vulnerable people,such as nursing homes or treatment facilities for youth are filled with employees that are not properly vetted or checked out and we really need to do better to make sure that these places are actually safe because families should not have to worry that when they send their loved ones to a treatment facility that that person may lose their life while they're there, it's ridiculous.
Poor kid, I can 100% relate to the trauma that he went through. I was 8 years old when I found the body of my father after he opted out. It took me years to get over so I understand how hard that could've been.
I am so sorry that you have to go through that. And that you had to see that at such a young age or at any age for that matter. I never understood when people do that how they don't think about who is going to find them and what that will do to them. I'll keep you in my prayers
I’m sorry you experienced this. I hope you share your story with others. It may help those that are considering it & those that were affected. My mother also committed suicide. She tried to take me with her a few times. Stay Strong & know it had nothing to do with you❤
Such a sad story! I was a teacher at a residential treatment center years ago, so I wasn’t aware of the abuse that went on in the evenings when a lot of the staff went home. Some of my former coworkers went to prison for abuse. There also was a lot of over medicating going on. We did have some residents runaway but we literally would chase them until we lost sight of them, or simply couldn’t keep running. No matter how big the child was, they were our responsibility. Some facilities have paperwork that gives the facility 49% custody of the child, and the parents retain 51% custody. Why would someone let him just lay in a field?! Ridiculous! BUT suing these places is hard. They have deep pockets.
Kids wear their own clothes (generally) in these facilities, but there are times when certain articles of clothing are taken. When that happens, staff members usually just run to Walmart and get a few articles of clothes for the resident.
States that provide funding for the treatment of children can tell parents where they have to send their kids. This usually happens after the child has run away a few times, committed a crime, or has been expelled from school.
This residential treatment center industry stems from the Synanon program and it is SO disturbing that there isn’t any major legislation regarding this issue.
John thank you for what you do. Your channel has helped out so many. Looking forward to your videos helping out others for another 8 years
Thank you for both your hard work and dedication to the voiceless. 8 years strong heres to 8 more and beyond.
OK John, since I am local, try to find Spring Creek-it’s a juvenile detention facility, the address back then & now is 3190 E. Las Vegas St. If you have your map pulled up, it’s literally off of 8th Street, they should intersect. It was known back then as 1 of the only juvenile treatment facilities in the area & people claimed misconduct from there constantly! I am positive that’s where he went missing from. If they’re saying he went missing on some type of outing-I call BS!! Those kids NEVER left that place unless they were going to probation or counseling outside of the area. My brother was there for charges about a decade later. However, he signed up for something called “AYS,” it’s an outdoor program that teaches you living like a damn Marine! I KNOW ppl died there, it got shut down, but it’s apparently reopened now-same name even!! But Spring Creek is literally fenced in with barbed wire bc it is “kid jail!”
I've been subscribed to your channel since December of 2017. I had just discovered you while I was moving homes so the time frame sticks out. I literally binged your channel during that time to keep my brain entertained. I remember thinking how nice it was to have someone in the true crime space that really seemed to care. Your content is informative and compassionate. I really believe you are doing a public service with the well researched and caring content created. Thank you and your team for the awesome eight years and hopefully many many more to come! Also, as far as this poor child's case I hope his family find answers soon. It is completely unacceptable that this "facility" was able to basically block the access of a mother to her child. Then this "facility" wipes their hands clean of the situation when they lose said child. At the very least that is neglect while in a care takers role. It breaks my this mother never got answers in this life. I hope Robert's brother and remaining family get the answer's they want and peace they deserve. ❤
Praying that Thomas' mom gets the answers and peace she really deserves. Also, am I the only one that thinks carrots in A1 sound really good? Robert might have been onto something.
This is a popular combo for those who try to convert to vegetarianism; grapefruit with raspberry jam is another.
@@LadyGreyBlack what?! You learn something new everyday. Couldn't do that combo though. Not a grapefruit fan.
That really does sound tasty! Both ideas...
@@thing_under_the_stairs the sweetness of the carrots with the salty tangy A1 sounds delicious
Just like the Kids For Cash situation in Pennsylvania.
Mother found blood in underwear was a huge red flag for being sexually abused. This is strange and seems to have been handled horribly. As a teen I was in a private facility where though I saw no sexual abuse from staff they still did forced medications and restraints were used at the drop of a hat. I saw things I should never see at that age even as a late teen. We were mixed teen boys, girls and adults. The only segregation was in our sleeping arrangements. They were eventually shut down for some kind of scandalous reason in the 90’s. I was there in 83. I’m afraid this is a homicide case. So sad.
This is heartbreaking. My assumption is that someone working at the facility was sexually assaulting him and he was gonna tell and that person decided to shut him up permanently. How could he run away without any shoes?
I remember hearing about kids my age going to the type of 'camps' i.e. wilderness camps and stuff. It sounds crazy to me, even being a teenager at the time (late 80s early 90s). It's okay now that I see how harmful these places were and could be. As for this case, I am afraid they will never find out what happened to him. Just sad
Scary & watching 'Cold Water' about this very subject...opened my eyes to this criminal 'Youth/Teen torture camps'. They seem to get away w/it bc they are privatized. Scary Scary 🙁 36:09
As always, Thank you ❤
Did they also make these kids dig holes out in the desert? 👀
What a terribly sad case, that poor youngster and his family 😔
Congratulations on 8 years!!
As a forensic interviewer, I sometimes speak to children who have been abused in these residential centers. There's a lot going on. Some kids genuinely benefit from treatment programs, but I think it's very rare. I am incredibly leary of any of them and think it's too important to give them the benefit of the doubt.
One of the biggest red flags? Blood in his underwear. As the spouse of a retired CO (Corrections Officer) of 34+ years, and having another family member that worked at a youth facility for children with criminal histories, that bit of information is deeply concerning.
I amalso old enough to remember ads on tv for these types of facilities back then, they were all over day time tv especially, and were not only facilities of concern, but huge money makers as well.
There is definitely far more to this than what his mother was told, someone other then the police need to be involved. I find it tragic that his mother passed before she ever got answers.
Just my belief, perhaps mother & son have been reunited in death. 🕊
I truly hope Bobby's brother and family do get the answers they have the right to.
Yes! So glad the old Searchlight is back. I've missed the maps and deep dive.
Congrats from NZ on 8 seasons!! I personally believe something was happening to him in that facility and a/several staff members were responsible. He was going to tell his mum but he couldnt tell her over the phone cos he knew staff were listening to the calls. Then Mum inadvertently rings the centre which tipped them off and they knew something had to be done ASAP. Thats why the story about the outing was concocted. Im willing to bet the staff member that "let" him walk away, answered the mums phone call, said he may be dead AND was SA him are all the same person!!!
Hi John well done on 8 years! I cant imagine the people you have helped and the good you have done in this world in 8 years!
You are the most respectful guy and always deal with these cases with empathy and without judgement, thank you for all you have done and continue to do and long may you carry on. Bless you and your family.
To all those with missing loved ones, i hope you find them, i cant imagine the pain and suffering you must go through. Peace be with you.
Sooz
Congrats on 8 seasons!! 🎉 Amazing work John and team.
This is such a tragic case. Bobby went through so much before ending up in that facility.
I'd love to find out he ran away and has been living a happier life, but it doesn't seem like it. I think the only way we'll find out what happened is if someone from the facility comes forward to say what really went on that day.
What an interesting searchlight episode to start off year 8. I have every reason to believe Bobby's mother, that she was told he had to go there or he would be taken. The fact that all of Bobby's shoes were returned is far too suspicious to ignore.
Congratulations on 8 seasons! 🎉
Coincidentally, Joe Kenda was an active member of the Colorado Police Department in 1990. He retired as a lieutenant in 1996.
Also, there are no coincidences.
Sorry but if my son had blood in his underwear he would absolutely had not gone back. Theyd have to ..... and this coming from a mom whos son was SA'ed by a close family member. I cant imagine her private emotions. Hopes she can find peace and answers
I absolutely believe that the cops threatened to have Bobby sent away. Was it an empty threat? Likely. But how would she have known that?
I live near a facility for juvenile felons, if they decide to run, the employees cannot use physical force to stop them. They have to call law enforcement.
This is such a sad case, glad to see you covering it.
Facilities like these are so common and its just heartbreaking and so unnecessary. I will never understand why people work at these places if they dont want the best for people and arent in it for the right reasons to help these people. My heart goes out to Roberts family and hope they can get some answers soon.
Thanks!
Thank you!
Thank you so much Irene!
I remember this case. I don't remember the blood in the underwear though. Yeah, it sounds like he was being SA'd, poor kid. I'm guessing that he might have been threatened to not ever tell his mother what has happened to him there, especially if it is overheard that he says to her on the phone that he has to tell her something but can't talk because of being overheard. Then he is "allowed" to run away...he may have run out of there right then after the threat being so scared he didn't bother with putting his shoes on. The person who threatened him may have even said that he'd be sent back there (and he knows that his mom was "told" he had to go there in the 1st place) and they'd get him if he said anything. So he runs out of there and they let him, and doesn't call his mom bc he thinks she'll only be forced to send him back there. Something happens to him on the "outside"...gets beat up, gets robbed, etc. or something bad, not necessarily by somebody from the treatment program but could be. In this instance, which is just my conjecture of what might have happened...he could still be alive but I really doubt it. My sympathies to his mom and family. God bless this mom for never giving up.
This is horrific😣
Let's be real, until they start treating this as a murder, they aren't going to find anything.
8 Years! Wow!
🤔Very strange disappearance it seems robert was abused at the facility he was going to tell someone and was silenced/murdered to keep quiet about the sick act the family gets answers and closure for him😢😢
So sad
Sounds like he was about to divulge SA and was ' dissappeared'
My almost 18 yr old child has PANDAS and Autism. Hes been in TONS of amazing places like this one bad one. Most are great do research. The bad one my child was being mocked and abused by staff and thank God a nurse told us and we got him out of there THAT visitation day AMA. Ok to answer the question ABSOLUTELY this is an every day occurrence. Its called Eloping. They are trained on WHAT to do when a kid runs and how physically to grab them safety several different ways. A few talking tactics to get them to come back. This is BS. This child was abused and discarded. Horrible.
The auto dealerships to the north and east were built in the early 2000s. The Lexus dealership immediately to the north was built on the site of a drive in theater that closed in the mid 1980s, so it may have been a field in 1990. It's hard to tell from google maps, but the area in question is on top of a hill, and the north-east and east side of the hill was pretty broken up by gullies, at least in an old photo I found at the library. (From the 1960s, but I don't think the land changed much before the dealerships were built.) I'll see if I can link it. Update: I actually found a couple from 1979, but couldn't find any newer. They're linked below. ... Or links aren't allowed, I guess. Drat.
Minor or not, he was the size of a grown man minus the maturity of one. I absolutely don’t think most of y’all would physically wrangle someone that is the size of a fully grown man inside, including you, John. A kid with emotional issues is more likely to react with physical violence when someone tries to grab them to bring them back inside somewhere. They also could have been in charge of monitoring other children, like the case where the little girl ran out of the door of another Colorado residential facility and was caught on camera doing so. That facility was understaffed and had one person monitoring a whole group of kids, so when she took off for the door they couldn’t leave the other kids. That was a tiny girl, though, not a 180 pound teenage boy. I think people need to also go to a facility like this to see how the kids behave, which IS often physical outbursts. I never ended up being sent to a boarding school for behaviorally challenged kids, but it was threatened repeatedly by my parents because I was one of those kids.
I can absolutely put myself in his shoes and at that age, my perspective would be that I was abandoned. Abandoned by the step father and then thrown into a residential state school and abandoned by my mother. There is no amount of coddling or begging that would make me forgive either. The most negligent and rotten thing a parent can do is off themselves to begin with, but it’s even more disgusting when they do it where their KID can find them. That is NOT a good parent or person. I deal with ideation regularly and I wouldn’t leave my cats, let alone human children that would be dependent on me. Selfish.
I can understand if he did run away, especially if I was big enough to physically walk off and not be stopped, I would have walked myself to a fast food restaurant and applied for a job. It’s very possible this (now) man is still alive and was not murdered, but chose to walk away after being emotionally hurt too many times by those who were supposed to protect him.
Parents keeps sending their kids there 😞😢
Please consider the other residents as Abusers. It doesn’t have to be the staff. Also, depending on blood amount & location in underwear it could’ve been a health issue. A couple drops of blood could be constipation related. Still would be a medical appointment necessity. My mother committed suicide. I was sexually abused throughout my childhood. I told. She had so many other things going on that I was told to keep quiet. Judging people without knowing their background is unfair. She probably lives with tremendous guilt. It’s always easier to say "woulda, coulda, shoulda". Compassion & kindness please❤
I was forced into one of them kind of places when I was like 11 it all sounds the same I remember being heavily drugged so much so that other family was angry when they saw how bad it was I was also tied down to my bed for hours on end it was said a kid had gotten killed in a chase just before I had gotten there he ran into a car as the story went if I remember right this was also in the early 90s on the east cost I was so embarrassed and traumatized I didn't talk about that place for a very long time...supposedly my mom said they didn't give her a choice ether but who knows she lied alot
I hope you’re doing good. I’m sorry this happened to you.
That's terrible. I hope you are doing okay.
I hope they can get som DNA from his clothes and shoes if the mother have save it, specially the underwear
What mother finds blood in her child's underwear and then sends it back to the place where it is believed to have happened? And no wonder that when such things happened to him, he got even “worse”.
It’s always easier to be on the outside looking in. Compassion & a willingness to be kind is still free.
@@stanbyme7874 Oh, so do you know my story that you know that I can't see inside? No matter how bad his behavior is, his mother shouldn't have given him back to a place where he was raped. For example, my mother sent me to a psychiatric hospital as a child. Luckily, after a year, I was considered normal, but my mother felt that way not capable, so I went to the children's home. I asked myself a few times what my mother would have felt if I had become seriously ill as a child or something had happened to me. And my mother, for example, always loved the attention. So she would have had even more of it I'm sure she wouldn't have minded. I feel so sorry for this young man, we all deserve a family.
I thought it was stated that she didn't find that until his clothing was mailed to her, after he had gone missing.
This case upsets me a lot. They were responsible for him not liable. I wish when she was threatened that she turned them in, sued them as she was forced to put him there n they didn’t care to call police to go get him? Ya right. They harmed him n why they didn’t call. So many of these places harm kids cuz they know they are troubled n lye so no one would believe them. I wish there was a way a could help this case or any cold case. Enter info into codis, or anything. Maybe not enough ppl to enter info the state has. I would do it. I’m praying for justice in this case n all juvenile places like this, harming children, are found out. I’m so sorry for the torture he no doubt lived with. Inside n out. The must have heard him say he needed to talk but couldn’t n killed him. I wish cop asked was there an outing n was he with the group?
I worked at an adolescent residential care facility in Albuquerque , Desert Hills .. was finally shut down about 5 or 6 years ago .. don’t know if another crook reopened it
The issues are endless…
The staff is horrible, uneducated, insecure
The residents aka so called children are hell on wheels, mean nasty angry violent pathological liars .. most came from horrible families.. it’s all hopeless
I witness residents attack staff. The nurses I saw leave in an ambulance was unbelievable
The residents repeatedly tore the facility apart …
It was unbelievable
Many of the residents grew up in the system, they know their so called rights better than you do, court appointed lawyers, social workers.. the residents are brilliant at threatening your job with endless lies and manipulation
I’m telling you it was unbelievable
Whatever fantasies I had about helping young people went in the trash can
It’s just not worth between the violence and low pay you can have it
Turnover so unbelievable
So sad. He was either murdered or some accident happened at the home. Sometimes they restrain the teens in these centres. I have watched documentaries on these places. Also, there is the possibility that he died due to exposure.
My first Question is if the mother had a bad feeling that something was wrong and that's why they drove back home to go check on the dad why the f*** would she let her son go in first? I don't know I just think that's a little fishy. Not only that but then she adds how she sat down and told Bobby what is going to happen and how the cops are going to come and blah blah blah that just sounds really weird to me like who thinks to do that most people are in shock and can't think properly. Just sounds like the mom was making sure what her son would tell the cops.
Wow. Kids are quick. He ran before she could stop him. My mother committed suicide. You hope they don’t do it. You don’t want to believe it. You don’t want to make a big deal out of a "feeling" & upset that person. She realized what her son had seen, took him aside & knowing there was more trauma to come, explained what was going to happen. I HOPE you never experience trauma & have people judge your behavior. If someone close to you does, please show them more compassion than you are giving this stranger.
I’m pretty sure there is a recent documentary about these kids corrections centers, they did have to wear a uniform and the punishments and abuse they show are crazy, they have actual footage and documentation from this particular center. But I’m wondering why didn’t they press that person who mentioned he might be dead, that seems weird. In my opinion someone 100% knows what happened and the lack of investigation is very sad
Also, the only way his mother would have the clothes he was last seen in is if someone who either worked there or had access to return the clothes after taking them from Bobby, someone who worked there knows something and they need to be questioned
I suffer from chronic depression with invasive dark thoughts (for 40 years) so I am not judging the step father but to do that for his step-son to witness was just so wrong.
Also, hearing there was blood in his underwear made my heart sink. That poor boy.
I got twitter ban four years ago for posting this story in connection to michael aquino as he moved to Cheyanne mountain after the pressidio case in 1989 i think then i found this boy went missing from the childrens mental jealth facility conveniently located next to the mountain military base yo......
There was a home of sorts in Alaska, I think? Where many children were killed n buried there. They found the bodies much later. Forget if they found them recently as in the past 5 year ish or when?
That happened in Florida.
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No, it's a terrible idea to give out fake information to the public on a case just to be dramatic and get attention from the media.
I wasn't suggesting fake information, they haven't released anything outside of those two brief witness descriptions. It is worth saying that law enforcement has released fake information in some cases knowingly to generate leads (the Kierra Coles case comes to mind).
@@LordanARTS True but it does erode the confidence Americans have in their local gov't. You end up with people trashing the police because they appear incompetent when the actual facts are released. The police probably have no more information to release. If he traveled far before something bad happened to him we may never know his fate. We get used to the tools we have now and forget they were not around 25 years ago.
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Anyone have an itchy asshole? I have a really itchy asshole currently. Good work johnny