This video was finished before Lori Beth Denberg detailed her awful experiences with Dan Schneider. I just want it to be 1000% clear, while I feel "Quiet on Set" was tabloid exploitation, Dan Schneider is still a terrible fucking guy.
Victoria didn't really add anything new to be honest. She just agreed that the work environment was toxic sometimes and she believes Dan is sorry for his actions.
When kids shows rip off mature movies, it really comes down to how well it's executed. Like the substitute teacher episode of Ned's Declassified, I didn't know anything about Weinerville but still enjoyed the episode because I had a substitute that was much like the sub who would do silly voices and stories that killed with an elementary audience but would fall flat on a middle school audience, and since Ned's was "how school felt and not how it really was," a teacher making elaborate sets to entertain the students didn't feel off from the normal situations.
In terms of Silence of the Lambs references in kids shows, the first episode of Filmore, a cop procedural homage cartoon created by future Walking Dead showrunners Scott M. Gimple, heavily references the plot to the movie, complete with Josh Peck, yes the same Josh Peck from the Amanda Show and Drake & Josh, voicing the analogue to Hannibal. Unlike this Sam & Cat episode, it doesn't even play the references as jokes always. However, I would say it fits Filmore a bit more as Filmore was a 2000s cartoon homaging already decades old cop procedurals as part of its central conceit.
I grew up in the 80s when cartoons constantly parodied movies like Citizen Kane and Casablanca, so I'd had them spoiled for decades before I was old enough to actually want to sit down and watch those movies and see what was being referenced. I imagine it's the same for people in their 20s now.
Nice timing on a video alluding to "The late, great Hannibal Lecter..." ;) Also, I was one of the probably few who saw The Empire Strikes Back before A New Hope because in my childhood they would play as a block on the USA Network and for whatever reason the first few times I saw them I happened to channel surf in just as the first Death Star exploded. Then I got Super Empire Strikes Back and Super Return of the Jedi for the SNES, and it took a surprisingly long time before I figured out what happened in the first Star Wars movie.
God, the proliferation of hashtags outside of social media might be the most annoying cultural trend of the 2010s in hindsight. It got to the point where creators would insert them into titles as a lazy way to attempt to trend. (See also: "#Beautiful" by Mariah Carey or "#ThatPower" by Will I Am. Also, the less said about the "Blurred Lines" video, the better.) Again, I'm guessing these kinds of pop culture spoofs were done more for a bonus for parents who might have been watching with their kids or happened to walk by as their kids were watching. At the same time, Silence of the Lambs spoofs had basically been done to death by 2014, so I suppose the only novelty here was that it was being done to this length in a kids' show.
I still don't get why Gibby gave up his friend's address to a person he knows is dangerous just like that? Was this just a placeholder scene, and they forgot to write an actual motivation or some joke?
It’s because Sam and Cat was a lazily made, sloppily produced show that was rushed into production by Schneider/Nick execs and given little time for refinement and revisions. This kind of sloppy, first draft writing was all over this show
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Yeah, I agree, that was-eh, what-the-hell? I mean, I don't want to discourage any fetish, in theory, but with the background and the fact that this was a kids' show that didn't need that ref-,um, jok-, well-, um-, hmmm...- I'll call it an, aside,- ye-ah, that was weird.
I watched this episode without ever having seen a single episode of iCarly or Victorious and quite liked it. But I grew up in a time before streaming & the internet so if I didn't understand that something was a reference to something else I just went with it.
I never quite cared for any of these kinds of shows, but hearing the behind the scenes darkness makes me absolutely hate them. Especially considering all the crap Jennette went through BEFORE working on the show. Even if I liked them, I could only say "those poor actresses." Anyway, I really don't think kid's television writers need to dumb themselves down when it comes to reference and parody. They're usually present to amuse the writers and any adults in the room watching. Hell, I love it when the joke/reference is so obscure that I DON'T get it until I find out about something. Bullwinkle's Ruby Yacht of Omar Kayam (I'm sure that went over the parents' heads), that one Pinky and the Brain cartoon which was just Maurice LaMarche demonstrating how he knew Orson Welles's Frozen Peas outtakes by heart, Arthur's writers being such big Batman fans that they referenced a Mego Toys Batmobile ad. And it doesn't matter if the source material is not for kids at all. Anytime you hear a cartoon character say "HEY! I'm walkin' here!" that's from an adult movie. Though, I'll admit that this sort of thing is bizarrely out of place in a kid's sitcom. Usually it's the cartoons that make parodies of this sort of thing.
If you thought The Silence of the Lambs was bad, Victorious's The Breakfast Bunch is The Breakfast Club, shot-for-shot, with some kid-friendly adjustments (the weed becomes tacos). Schneider loves his "parody" plagiarism.
The original episode from Icarly this is a sequel to is a Misery reference because the psycho is Carly's number one fan (like Kathy Bates), and yeah oh boy the awkward behind the scenes stories about this show and Victorious...let's just say Dan Schneider probably still has a lot to answer for himself, his own apology sounded so fake and like he was only 'sorry' because he got ratted out. Also they have Crazy Steve but not played by Jerry Trainor. There technically WAS a parody movie made in 1994 parodying Silence that was originally intended to be a Psycho parody due to the director having an uncanny resemble to Anthony Perkins. You don't even need to know about or have seen Cape Fear (the original movie or the remake with De Niro) to enjoy the Simpsons episode that parodies it, but it helps.
I was four when Silence of the Lambs came out, and all of those references would’ve been a pretty big stretch for me at age ten. It’s wild that they would’ve chosen that for kids over a decade younger than me.
Can’t wait til he does an episode of Side Hustle or The Astronauts or Drama Club or The Barbarian and The Troll or Hunter Street or I Am Frankie or Warped! All of which were Nick’s last decent live action shows😒. So naturally they cancelled them.
I want to the timeline of videos of Nick Knacks to be change its such a strange selection first talking pete and pete and latter the more forgotten shows, here the list i would want to for 1991 to 1995 1991: #95 - Launch Box #96 - Nick Hit List #97 - Mork & Mindy #98 - Adventures of Superman #99 - F-Troop #100 - Clarissa Explains it All #101 - Get The Picture #102 - What Would You Do? #103 - Nick news #104 - Welcome Freshmen #105 - Fifteen #106 - The Littl' Bits #107 - Nicktoons #108 - Doug #109 - Rugrats #110 - The Ren & Stimpy Show #111 - The Adventures of Pete & Pete #112 - Are You Afraid of the Dark?
1993: #124 - Just So Stories #125 - Janosch's Dream World #126 - Cappelli & Company #127 - Muppet Matinee #128 - The Tomorrow People (1992) #129 - Weinerville #130 - Legends of the Hidden Temple #131 - Rocko's Modern Life (also i forgot to put nick uk but umm to lazy to change it all)
1994: #132 - Teacher to Teacher with Mr. Wizard #133 - U to U #134 - The Alvin Show #135 - Gumby Adventures #136 - The Muppet Show #137 - Beetlejuice #138 - The Adventures of Tintin #139 - Papa Beaver's Story Time #140 - Allegra's Window #142 - Gullah Gullah Island #143 - My Brother and Me #144 - The Secret World of Alex Mack #145 - Aaahh!!! Real Monsters #146 - All That
1994: #132 - Teacher to Teacher with Mr. Wizard #133 - U to U #134 - The Alvin Show #135 - Gumby Adventures #136 - The Muppet Show #137 - Beetlejuice #138 - The Adventures of Tintin #139 - Papa Beaver's Story Time #140 - Allegra's Window #142 - Gullah Gullah Island #143 - My Brother and Me #144 - The Secret World of Alex Mack #145 - Aaahh!!! Real Monsters #146 - All That
1995: #147 - Bing! The Sound of Something New #148 - Land of the Lost (1991) #149 - The Adventures of Timmy the Tooth #150 - Rupert #156 - The Busy World of Richard Scarry #157 - Little Bear #158 - Alvin and the Chipmunks #159 - Tiny Toon Adventures (and nick Australia too)
Dan Schneider saying he's thinking about suing, and actually suing are on entirely different planets. One reason why he probably won't? The discovery process. I don't care how much money he stands to win, or how much his reputation (whatever that's worth) can be salvaged - it's got to be balanced out by whatever private information will be made public in the process. If I could make a guess, he won't sue.
Nickelodeon doesn't care if their audience gets the reference. It's definitely more self indulgent of the creators/ writers. Victorious had a whole episode referencing/ recreating the Breakfast Club. A movie no one in there audience would be aware of, and using eating tacos emplace of smoking weed, and vegan's instead of virgins.
A show that has an obsessed fan and an obsessed hater who want to stalk our heroes? That's pretty deep for a kids' show, especially with the whole Silence of the Lambs motif.
If you think this was metatextual, try the episode of iCarly where Gibby and a school bully practically do the entire "shinebox" scene from Goodfellas.
Victorious did a whole episode homaging The Breakfast Club, even omitting the usual title sequence iirc. The virgin conversation was instead about Robbie being vegan or something, I think even some of the costuming came from the film directly.
The thing is Silence of the Lambs even if it is no longer a relevant movie in terms of analysis through it's themes and narrative by critics, was such a huge hit and passed around by general pop culture to just be one of those stories and points that is just generally known about even if you haven't watched the movie. And not just by series aimed at older audiences like South Park and Family Guy. Even before this episode, Silence of the Lambs was being quoted and name dropped in the live action sequels of Alvin and the Chipmunks and Garfield in the mid 2000s. Like it's just that much a staple of pop culture you normally wouldn't question a reference to it but.... yeah this episode doing a full spoof feels more lazy and indulgent on the writing team then because they had even any good jokes to spoof on the material. And you know like with Star Wars and Godfather at this point it just feels like too basic a reference EVERYONE makes. Seriously a Hannibal Lecter jab is like a Hal 9000 jab; we all know what you're doing and someone already did that bit better decades ago. That's why I always applaud kids show who make references to stuff from pop culture no one else would. You know Kids Next Door referencing AniMatrix or even Teen Titans Go referencing Lucy: yeah those are also bits outside the core audience who wouldn't/shouldn't get them but you at least aren't doing the same thing everyone else is. Sam and Cat is an interesting show.... to talk about. Outside of Henry Danger it probably is the worst Schneider live action show (that he had any control over.... eh maybe Game Shakers too though at least that had Kel Mitchell as a core character so that's something) but yeah behind the scenes how that show was made and how it fell apart is interesting since typically one season shows like it aren't hits who fail because of issues with the actors and how it was made more just it not clicking with an audience. But obviously you'll get to that later but still interesting place to first go into the Schneider verse.
Silence of the Lambs' transphobia is a huge sore spot for me because it deeply messed me up as an adolescent... but I have to admit that "hose" joke was good.
there's a pretty good episode of blank check about it where the guest is emily st. james (a trans woman and really good and insightful critic) that's worth listening to in sort of wrestling with what is objectively a very effective and well made movie that is also pretty ugly and transphobic in a deep deep place
as a kid growing up in the 2000s, while I loved the cartoons and was ok and even enjoyed the live action movies, for some reason I hated, HATED the nick/disney sitcoms. I didn't even hate american sitcoms in general if they somehow got in my field of view as an argentinian 10 year old who'd rather be watching fairly odd parents instead. For some reason I thought these were the lowest of the low bottom of the trash can garbage tv had to offer, and I couldn't really tell you why. So every time I hear what a cultural defining icons these shows (and their disney counterparts) I can't help but feel like a deep sea anglerfish in the middle of a herd of sheep.
It’s going to be awhile before you get the Schneider shows, so this was a good sample. While I don’t doubt the events described on Quiet on Set happened, the approach to their stories is overly sensationalized. Also, I’m in my 40’s so I maybe out of touch with the kids, but I don’t think most of them were aware of Silence of the Lambs.
oh hey, it's my request. ngl, i don't really remember why i did- i think i was high and watching quinton reviews- but a detour into french literary theory is more or less exactly the kind of shit i was hoping for i would argue that the bit with gibby's head at the end is actual parody rather than simple reference, or is at least as close to it as the hoses thing, since they're similarly taking something unbelievably dark and making it into mildly aburdist silliness. i feel like kids shows in the 90s did this a LOT, like there's an entire segment of animaniacs that's just a take off of goodfellas and isn't actually funny unless you know the reference point, but at least that was a relatively contemporary inappropriate reference
The metatextualness gets even worse from there. There's a cameo of Crazy Steve (played by a pre-iCarly Jerry Trainor), a side character from Drake and Josh, who appears in the asylum scene. By this point, Drake and Josh was 10 years old and ended 7 years ago. Most of the 8 year olds watching Sam and Cat in 2014 will have no clue who this guy is. At some point, this kind of cheap fan service from Schneider's Bakery has to be examined. Because really, was this type of pandering really worth it or something the target audience enjoyed? If anything, I'd be kind of lost at all these weird references to things that came out before I was born.
My daughter loves Sam and Cat. But someone PLEASE explain to me why Cat talks the way she does. Seriously, what's up with her voice? Does the actress naturally sound like that or is it a choice? It's been driving me crazy.
Ariana Grande has a naturally deeper voice, she just made it sound higher when playing Cat. It wasn’t as high when Victorious was a thing (at least initially) but it was still pretty breathy. I don’t know if it was done to make Cat seem a bit more detached from reality or to make the contrast between her speaking voice and powerful singing voice all the more apparent. I wouldn’t be surprised if Grande or one of the shows’ producers explained it in an interview in the 2010s.
Dang, another near-solid quality essay. In all honestly, I wonder how Nickelodeon got so lucky to gain a diligent steward to impart the lore of their shows and programming? But then you say something like "Silence of the Lambs is transphobic" and I need to re-evaluate your critical insight. Shame, that.
This video was finished before Lori Beth Denberg detailed her awful experiences with Dan Schneider. I just want it to be 1000% clear, while I feel "Quiet on Set" was tabloid exploitation, Dan Schneider is still a terrible fucking guy.
Apparently Victoria Justice recently said something
@@bluebaron6858 What did she say ,and where did you hear this from?
Victoria didn't really add anything new to be honest. She just agreed that the work environment was toxic sometimes and she believes Dan is sorry for his actions.
I don’t doubt that.
it's a shame that the big explosion into the public eye of all this shit was done irresponsibly
When kids shows rip off mature movies, it really comes down to how well it's executed. Like the substitute teacher episode of Ned's Declassified, I didn't know anything about Weinerville but still enjoyed the episode because I had a substitute that was much like the sub who would do silly voices and stories that killed with an elementary audience but would fall flat on a middle school audience, and since Ned's was "how school felt and not how it really was," a teacher making elaborate sets to entertain the students didn't feel off from the normal situations.
In terms of Silence of the Lambs references in kids shows, the first episode of Filmore, a cop procedural homage cartoon created by future Walking Dead showrunners Scott M. Gimple, heavily references the plot to the movie, complete with Josh Peck, yes the same Josh Peck from the Amanda Show and Drake & Josh, voicing the analogue to Hannibal. Unlike this Sam & Cat episode, it doesn't even play the references as jokes always. However, I would say it fits Filmore a bit more as Filmore was a 2000s cartoon homaging already decades old cop procedurals as part of its central conceit.
I grew up in the 80s when cartoons constantly parodied movies like Citizen Kane and Casablanca, so I'd had them spoiled for decades before I was old enough to actually want to sit down and watch those movies and see what was being referenced. I imagine it's the same for people in their 20s now.
Nice timing on a video alluding to "The late, great Hannibal Lecter..." ;)
Also, I was one of the probably few who saw The Empire Strikes Back before A New Hope because in my childhood they would play as a block on the USA Network and for whatever reason the first few times I saw them I happened to channel surf in just as the first Death Star exploded. Then I got Super Empire Strikes Back and Super Return of the Jedi for the SNES, and it took a surprisingly long time before I figured out what happened in the first Star Wars movie.
God, the proliferation of hashtags outside of social media might be the most annoying cultural trend of the 2010s in hindsight. It got to the point where creators would insert them into titles as a lazy way to attempt to trend. (See also: "#Beautiful" by Mariah Carey or "#ThatPower" by Will I Am. Also, the less said about the "Blurred Lines" video, the better.)
Again, I'm guessing these kinds of pop culture spoofs were done more for a bonus for parents who might have been watching with their kids or happened to walk by as their kids were watching. At the same time, Silence of the Lambs spoofs had basically been done to death by 2014, so I suppose the only novelty here was that it was being done to this length in a kids' show.
Didn’t DC Superhero Girls do the hashtag title thing when the 2010s was almost over?
@@AJ-xc4qe Yup, they did
I still don't get why Gibby gave up his friend's address to a person he knows is dangerous just like that? Was this just a placeholder scene, and they forgot to write an actual motivation or some joke?
Hahaha. As if Sam and Cat (or Victorious for that matter) were shows that bothered with character motivation...
It’s because Sam and Cat was a lazily made, sloppily produced show that was rushed into production by Schneider/Nick execs and given little time for refinement and revisions. This kind of sloppy, first draft writing was all over this show
acting out of character substitutes for a bit when you can't think of a bit
Welcome to Sam and Cat, a show that doesn’t believe in consistent characterisation unless it’s for comedy.
admittedly brad pitt in true romance does essentially the same shit and it's hilarious but
The most inteluctual Sam and Cat discussion I have ever seen.
How dare you slam Quinton like this
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Fascinating analysis. I know you might find it too conspiracy brained against Dan Schneider, but that "tickle my knuckles" bit had me like "uh..."
I had to rewind because I thought he said "tickle my nipples"
Yeah, I agree, that was-eh, what-the-hell? I mean, I don't want to discourage any fetish, in theory, but with the background and the fact that this was a kids' show that didn't need that ref-,um, jok-, well-, um-, hmmm...- I'll call it an, aside,- ye-ah, that was weird.
My immediate thought was that it was code for "balls".
I mean Gibby is supposed to be a weird, eccentric character so him asking her to tickle his knuckles is just funny.
I watched this episode without ever having seen a single episode of iCarly or Victorious and quite liked it. But I grew up in a time before streaming & the internet so if I didn't understand that something was a reference to something else I just went with it.
I never quite cared for any of these kinds of shows, but hearing the behind the scenes darkness makes me absolutely hate them. Especially considering all the crap Jennette went through BEFORE working on the show. Even if I liked them, I could only say "those poor actresses."
Anyway, I really don't think kid's television writers need to dumb themselves down when it comes to reference and parody. They're usually present to amuse the writers and any adults in the room watching. Hell, I love it when the joke/reference is so obscure that I DON'T get it until I find out about something. Bullwinkle's Ruby Yacht of Omar Kayam (I'm sure that went over the parents' heads), that one Pinky and the Brain cartoon which was just Maurice LaMarche demonstrating how he knew Orson Welles's Frozen Peas outtakes by heart, Arthur's writers being such big Batman fans that they referenced a Mego Toys Batmobile ad. And it doesn't matter if the source material is not for kids at all. Anytime you hear a cartoon character say "HEY! I'm walkin' here!" that's from an adult movie. Though, I'll admit that this sort of thing is bizarrely out of place in a kid's sitcom. Usually it's the cartoons that make parodies of this sort of thing.
2:30 NGL, this commercial spot would've convinced me to miss this show if it'd been my introduction to it. Fortunately I've never heard of this show!
And Quinton wants to review Animorphs as someone who hasn't read it at all. Oh yeah. It's all coming together
If you thought The Silence of the Lambs was bad, Victorious's The Breakfast Bunch is The Breakfast Club, shot-for-shot, with some kid-friendly adjustments (the weed becomes tacos). Schneider loves his "parody" plagiarism.
The original episode from Icarly this is a sequel to is a Misery reference because the psycho is Carly's number one fan (like Kathy Bates), and yeah oh boy the awkward behind the scenes stories about this show and Victorious...let's just say Dan Schneider probably still has a lot to answer for himself, his own apology sounded so fake and like he was only 'sorry' because he got ratted out. Also they have Crazy Steve but not played by Jerry Trainor. There technically WAS a parody movie made in 1994 parodying Silence that was originally intended to be a Psycho parody due to the director having an uncanny resemble to Anthony Perkins. You don't even need to know about or have seen Cape Fear (the original movie or the remake with De Niro) to enjoy the Simpsons episode that parodies it, but it helps.
Down with Dan!
I was four when Silence of the Lambs came out, and all of those references would’ve been a pretty big stretch for me at age ten. It’s wild that they would’ve chosen that for kids over a decade younger than me.
The First NickKnacks Sample Platter Episode in the SchneiderVerse.
Can’t wait til he does an episode of Side Hustle or The Astronauts or Drama Club or The Barbarian and The Troll or Hunter Street or I Am Frankie or Warped! All of which were Nick’s last decent live action shows😒. So naturally they cancelled them.
I remember watching PIEGUYRULZ's review of the episode.
I have no idea what is going on except for the silence of the lambs.
Another Stellar product of Dan "call me Foots McFeet" Schnider
honestly this episode feels like something freakzoid would do.
Oooh boy, first tip of the toes into the..Dan stuff.
What was with the Simon & Garfunkel reference too? Was that something I was supposed to know from one of the other shows, or-. I don't get that.
This comment section seems pretty pleasant to me
How many hours did it take for all those Salute Your Shorts fans to spam the comments section with transphobia?
@@morbidsearch Wait what? Ugh, I must have got to the video before that hit. Gross. :(
I want to the timeline of videos of Nick Knacks to be change its such a strange selection first talking pete and pete and latter the more forgotten shows, here the list i would want to for 1991 to 1995
1991:
#95 - Launch Box
#96 - Nick Hit List
#97 - Mork & Mindy
#98 - Adventures of Superman
#99 - F-Troop
#100 - Clarissa Explains it All
#101 - Get The Picture
#102 - What Would You Do?
#103 - Nick news
#104 - Welcome Freshmen
#105 - Fifteen
#106 - The Littl' Bits
#107 - Nicktoons
#108 - Doug
#109 - Rugrats
#110 - The Ren & Stimpy Show
#111 - The Adventures of Pete & Pete
#112 - Are You Afraid of the Dark?
1992:
#113 - Beyond Belief
#114 - Totally Kids Sports
#115 - Lunch Break Theatre
#116 - Wild Side Show
#117 - Grimm's Fairy Tale Classics
#118 - The Underdog Show
#119 - Bullwinkle's Moose-O-Rama
#120 - Muppet Babies
#121 - Nick Arcade
#122 - Nickelodeon GUTS
#123 - Roundhouse
1993:
#124 - Just So Stories
#125 - Janosch's Dream World
#126 - Cappelli & Company
#127 - Muppet Matinee
#128 - The Tomorrow People (1992)
#129 - Weinerville
#130 - Legends of the Hidden Temple
#131 - Rocko's Modern Life
(also i forgot to put nick uk but umm to lazy to change it all)
1994:
#132 - Teacher to Teacher with Mr. Wizard
#133 - U to U
#134 - The Alvin Show
#135 - Gumby Adventures
#136 - The Muppet Show
#137 - Beetlejuice
#138 - The Adventures of Tintin
#139 - Papa Beaver's Story Time
#140 - Allegra's Window
#142 - Gullah Gullah Island
#143 - My Brother and Me
#144 - The Secret World of Alex Mack
#145 - Aaahh!!! Real Monsters
#146 - All That
1994:
#132 - Teacher to Teacher with Mr. Wizard
#133 - U to U
#134 - The Alvin Show
#135 - Gumby Adventures
#136 - The Muppet Show
#137 - Beetlejuice
#138 - The Adventures of Tintin
#139 - Papa Beaver's Story Time
#140 - Allegra's Window
#142 - Gullah Gullah Island
#143 - My Brother and Me
#144 - The Secret World of Alex Mack
#145 - Aaahh!!! Real Monsters
#146 - All That
1995:
#147 - Bing! The Sound of Something New
#148 - Land of the Lost (1991)
#149 - The Adventures of Timmy the Tooth
#150 - Rupert
#156 - The Busy World of Richard Scarry
#157 - Little Bear
#158 - Alvin and the Chipmunks
#159 - Tiny Toon Adventures
(and nick Australia too)
FWIW, Rocko's Modern Life had a whole episode that was one big Shining parody, so there is precedence for that sort of thing.
Dan Schneider saying he's thinking about suing, and actually suing are on entirely different planets. One reason why he probably won't? The discovery process. I don't care how much money he stands to win, or how much his reputation (whatever that's worth) can be salvaged - it's got to be balanced out by whatever private information will be made public in the process. If I could make a guess, he won't sue.
I remember when Pieguyrulz reviewed this episode back in 2014 before the bottom of the bakery series officially began. 2014 was a different time.
She-Hulk had a funnier reference to The Silence of the Lambs anyway.
Nickelodeon doesn't care if their audience gets the reference. It's definitely more self indulgent of the creators/ writers. Victorious had a whole episode referencing/ recreating the Breakfast Club. A movie no one in there audience would be aware of, and using eating tacos emplace of smoking weed, and vegan's instead of virgins.
Kids love Silence of the Lambs!
A show that has an obsessed fan and an obsessed hater who want to stalk our heroes? That's pretty deep for a kids' show, especially with the whole Silence of the Lambs motif.
If you think this was metatextual, try the episode of iCarly where Gibby and a school bully practically do the entire "shinebox" scene from Goodfellas.
Victorious did a whole episode homaging The Breakfast Club, even omitting the usual title sequence iirc. The virgin conversation was instead about Robbie being vegan or something, I think even some of the costuming came from the film directly.
The thing is Silence of the Lambs even if it is no longer a relevant movie in terms of analysis through it's themes and narrative by critics, was such a huge hit and passed around by general pop culture to just be one of those stories and points that is just generally known about even if you haven't watched the movie. And not just by series aimed at older audiences like South Park and Family Guy. Even before this episode, Silence of the Lambs was being quoted and name dropped in the live action sequels of Alvin and the Chipmunks and Garfield in the mid 2000s. Like it's just that much a staple of pop culture you normally wouldn't question a reference to it but.... yeah this episode doing a full spoof feels more lazy and indulgent on the writing team then because they had even any good jokes to spoof on the material. And you know like with Star Wars and Godfather at this point it just feels like too basic a reference EVERYONE makes. Seriously a Hannibal Lecter jab is like a Hal 9000 jab; we all know what you're doing and someone already did that bit better decades ago. That's why I always applaud kids show who make references to stuff from pop culture no one else would. You know Kids Next Door referencing AniMatrix or even Teen Titans Go referencing Lucy: yeah those are also bits outside the core audience who wouldn't/shouldn't get them but you at least aren't doing the same thing everyone else is.
Sam and Cat is an interesting show.... to talk about. Outside of Henry Danger it probably is the worst Schneider live action show (that he had any control over.... eh maybe Game Shakers too though at least that had Kel Mitchell as a core character so that's something) but yeah behind the scenes how that show was made and how it fell apart is interesting since typically one season shows like it aren't hits who fail because of issues with the actors and how it was made more just it not clicking with an audience. But obviously you'll get to that later but still interesting place to first go into the Schneider verse.
Silence of the Lambs' transphobia is a huge sore spot for me because it deeply messed me up as an adolescent... but I have to admit that "hose" joke was good.
there's a pretty good episode of blank check about it where the guest is emily st. james (a trans woman and really good and insightful critic) that's worth listening to in sort of wrestling with what is objectively a very effective and well made movie that is also pretty ugly and transphobic in a deep deep place
Had I never seen Silence Of The Lambs I would have been so lost this episode. I doubt many (if any) any of the fanbase would have seen the movie.
as a kid growing up in the 2000s, while I loved the cartoons and was ok and even enjoyed the live action movies, for some reason I hated, HATED the nick/disney sitcoms. I didn't even hate american sitcoms in general if they somehow got in my field of view as an argentinian 10 year old who'd rather be watching fairly odd parents instead. For some reason I thought these were the lowest of the low bottom of the trash can garbage tv had to offer, and I couldn't really tell you why. So every time I hear what a cultural defining icons these shows (and their disney counterparts) I can't help but feel like a deep sea anglerfish in the middle of a herd of sheep.
Nick Knacks Aaaah real monsters the monster history episode or the one about the monsters disappearing
It’s going to be awhile before you get the Schneider shows, so this was a good sample. While I don’t doubt the events described on Quiet on Set happened, the approach to their stories is overly sensationalized. Also, I’m in my 40’s so I maybe out of touch with the kids, but I don’t think most of them were aware of Silence of the Lambs.
oh hey, it's my request. ngl, i don't really remember why i did- i think i was high and watching quinton reviews- but a detour into french literary theory is more or less exactly the kind of shit i was hoping for
i would argue that the bit with gibby's head at the end is actual parody rather than simple reference, or is at least as close to it as the hoses thing, since they're similarly taking something unbelievably dark and making it into mildly aburdist silliness. i feel like kids shows in the 90s did this a LOT, like there's an entire segment of animaniacs that's just a take off of goodfellas and isn't actually funny unless you know the reference point, but at least that was a relatively contemporary inappropriate reference
Wait, you're claiming Goodfeathers was funny if you knew the reference point? I'm doubtful.
@@beipiaosaurus i dunno lol i never watched it after having seen goodfellas
This video is good but have you considered making it 72 hours long and staring directly into the camera the entire time?
Since he doesn't facecam, we can't say for certain that he _isn't_ staring into the camera the entire time...
Kenan and Kel is ruined for me, I actually got to be a con with Kel, did Dan touched his feet? I have to wonder that now
The metatextualness gets even worse from there. There's a cameo of Crazy Steve (played by a pre-iCarly Jerry Trainor), a side character from Drake and Josh, who appears in the asylum scene. By this point, Drake and Josh was 10 years old and ended 7 years ago. Most of the 8 year olds watching Sam and Cat in 2014 will have no clue who this guy is. At some point, this kind of cheap fan service from Schneider's Bakery has to be examined. Because really, was this type of pandering really worth it or something the target audience enjoyed? If anything, I'd be kind of lost at all these weird references to things that came out before I was born.
Hope you'll have a good day
Subtlety is dead
My daughter loves Sam and Cat. But someone PLEASE explain to me why Cat talks the way she does. Seriously, what's up with her voice? Does the actress naturally sound like that or is it a choice? It's been driving me crazy.
She doesn’t sound like that IRL - it was an (odd) choice lol
Ariana Grande has a naturally deeper voice, she just made it sound higher when playing Cat. It wasn’t as high when Victorious was a thing (at least initially) but it was still pretty breathy. I don’t know if it was done to make Cat seem a bit more detached from reality or to make the contrast between her speaking voice and powerful singing voice all the more apparent. I wouldn’t be surprised if Grande or one of the shows’ producers explained it in an interview in the 2010s.
I assume because she's playing an air-headed ditz.
Are you aware of Quinton Reviews, sir?
Because you are infringing upon his territory/s
Pieguyrulz was the OG Schneiderverse critic before Quinton.
(Yes I know what /s means but for the record)
Dang, another near-solid quality essay. In all honestly, I wonder how Nickelodeon got so lucky to gain a diligent steward to impart the lore of their shows and programming? But then you say something like "Silence of the Lambs is transphobic" and I need to re-evaluate your critical insight. Shame, that.
God pop, you're pushing 40??