song specific patches are AWESOME. It makes it easy to sound like the songs do on the radio/album, and the congregation recognizes the song easier. It sounds like they expect it to.
These objections sound like church musicians who are "performance" minded and not "worship" minded. We just got Sunday Sounds, and we love it. It is allowing us to put more time into worship preparation rather than performance rehearsal. This software fills space in a way that allows the other instruments to simplify their approach, which in turn makes the mix much more conducive to congregational engagement. Total game changer. We use it as an aux keys rig. Also, you can build a pretty good substitute bass patch for when you don't have a real bass player. Never want to be without it... ever. Thanks, and God Bless!
This is awesome! One question, whenever we are tying to transition from one song to the next with the drone in a different key, the audio shuts off which makes it awkward during worship.
Good honest discussion. It really inspires the vocalists to have the band or as little as the just the keyboard player provide inspiring backdrop to the song. Many in the congregation also love hearing the song as they know it and it inspires them to join in fully. Keyboards in any band that plays live are expected to fill in so many layers of the sound why shouldn't church groups want to have the same full sound as performing acts outside the church without hiring studio level musicians and having a full Orchestra to recreate the song. If you'd rather have the song in a small group in their own sound great, don't use any patches and do your thing. It's up to you!
I personally love song specific patches. I use them very regularly and find they help me to play parts that sound amazing and fill out my team’s sound without taking hours to program. They are such a great resource and such a wonderful blessing for me. I definitely agree there are times that the album version that a song specific patch replicates doesn’t fit our needs, either because someone else is covering the sounds or our set has a different vibe, but those are times I can rely on my own artistry. There are times where I modify the sound specific patch to match what we are looking for, or just make my own patches. At the end of the day, worship isn’t about how good of a keys player I am, but about magnifying and glorifying Jesus. Thank you to the Sunday Sounds team for making this resource for us all.
I personally would not use Song-Specific patches. You're already locked down to a certain structure while using stems, I can't imagine myself simply triggering arpeggios and gated synths, etc without doing at least SOME of the "work" myself. I personally wouldn't find any joy to that... but that's just me... I like to play the strobing 1/8 notes on a synth while turning the cutoff knob and controlling the "swells" myself.... I guess I personally just like to be hands on and actually learn the parts and play them. To each their own though. :)
You said you’re screen recording the iPad to get the sound?? Is it the built in screen recorder or a 3rd party app? I’ve been wanting to record some songs but thought I’d have to go through an audio interface and record in Logic Pro or something.
Hello. I'm a user of Sunday Sounds, it's really saving me time when I need to play some songs. I have a question: is it possible to remove and add a new piano, for example, on some specific patches? Or are they completely closed for changes?
Yeah I think song patches are great especially if you are still new to layering/effects. Its a good way to start sounding good. But I think later point in time, musicians will ask or challenge themselves to recreate or even enhance them to improve their skills and musicianship.
I love them, the only challenge I have with them is when I transpose the song you can lose the bottom end. I try to play everything in C and then output it in whatever key the singer and band needs. That can move the bass around some and even if you move the sections around to a lower note it doesn’t play on those notes….not sure why?
The core question for each keyboard player has to decide is whether to have and to what extent to follow a song arrangement. At the most basic level you can play piano like an acoustic guitarist following a chord chart, while still permitting some melodic or lead lines, but then the very next question is how accurately to replicate those chord voicings and those melodic/lead lines, including what kind of piano sound/patch. This will depend on your skill/experience, i.e. "musical ear training".
Adding more parts, such as synths, arpeggiators, effects etc. only increases the question of how accurate must you be, and of course you will get many different opinions. I frequently watch the "Song Specific Patches" videos, admittedly with a critical comparison to my own efforts; regarding their accuracy for the various parts. Although in the past I have used Sunday Sounds' Mainstage App, including trying Song Specific Patches, my personal preference is Ableton Live in creating my own song arrangements that more accurately or more closely follow the original arrangement, making adjustments for key transposition, section placement/order etc.. I can attest that the up front software costs and the time required to prepare each song is not insignificant. The Sunday Keys App is more cost effective than Ableton, even if it doesn't meet my own personal requirements. Purchasing a Song Specific Patch for it is only a question of what is your own ability to recreate or arrange keyboard parts and do you have the time required?
Creativity is what we can offer to the Lord. That doesn't matter if we are using patches or create from the scratch. Every event/services has its own taste, playing in the sunday morning is not the same playing in the funeral service.
i got firm foundation ssp a while ago and i dont like how you have to plsy the exact thing in the tutorial and cant go off and play whatever you want. id love to have the sounds not the position of what i need to play
Well, once one has gone down the path of prefab stems and using a $5000 Nord as a MIDI controller, It seems a bit pointless to be worrying about whether song-specific patches is cheating, Lol
It’s great to get started, I guess it’s really important to know what things go where and why, and when you design parts and pieces for scratch you develop an intimate knowledge of those things. It’s skill building, so I suppose in that respect? Is it cheating? Maybe a little. Lol
Is using Song Specific Patches a cheat? Of course I love this video. Could there be a stupider question? Let's customise them! Then why are these patches intended to be used. This topic is repeated in many forums. And I still don't know why? Factory patch is a factory patch for use. If you want to change it (which I always do), then do it! Blessings!!!!
@@D1570R73DNot exactly, the musician is a professional who is able to adapt to the situation as well, if playing exactly like the original isn't the best for that situation, he's able to play what's the best for that kind of situation
@@JogohDLC It depends how much they change the original work. Most musicians actually can't fully adapt a song to a specific situation. That usually requires switching instruments and musicians typically only know one instrument. If you're talking about changing key or tempo, sure that's within the realm of a musician.
My biggest barrier to using the Sundays Keys app is having to take my hands off of the keyboard to cycle between Snapshots. Is there a way to use an external MIDI controller or foot pedal to do this? I'm afraid that I will fat finger the small buttons on the Snapshots. Or maybe there could be a "Perform" page like Mainstage that has much bigger snapshot buttons.
Yes I use the Korg nanocontrol2. You still have to take a hand off but depending on where you put the controller it makes the travel much shorter. I have the sl88 and it fits perfectly on there. I’ve programmed a the whole controller to control the app. Very handy
You can see in the Song Specific Patches demos that removing a hand from the keyboard to move the mod wheel or hit a scene button can interfere with the correct timing of instrument's entrance in a song's section. This can happen at several different moments in any particular song. Using a MIDI foot switch will only decrease the number of options/instances (8?) vis a vis using a hand controller (NanoControl2). This is one of the reasons I prefer Ableton Live's "Follow" function in my song sections/sets, but this too has the downside of more time spent programming and correcting errors. David briefly refers to using Ableton's "automation", which indeed requires additional programming and adds complexity.
@@allendunning272 if you set up “snapshots” in the app and apply appropriate timing for their transitions, you can hit those transitions times accurately. And it’s smooth.
Its not cheating.. but it creates lazy musicians. Is that bad? Idk really.. church musicians just want to sound good and praise God. So these things are helpful.. but it can be hurtful in the long run when you just get used to push 2-3 buttons and sometimes even just 2-3 keys to play parts people put an effort to creating. All that to say.. it’s not cheating.. but don’t rely on it. Grow your craft and become a better “musician” not just a gear tech
song specific patches are AWESOME. It makes it easy to sound like the songs do on the radio/album, and the congregation recognizes the song easier. It sounds like they expect it to.
These objections sound like church musicians who are "performance" minded and not "worship" minded. We just got Sunday Sounds, and we love it. It is allowing us to put more time into worship preparation rather than performance rehearsal. This software fills space in a way that allows the other instruments to simplify their approach, which in turn makes the mix much more conducive to congregational engagement. Total game changer. We use it as an aux keys rig. Also, you can build a pretty good substitute bass patch for when you don't have a real bass player. Never want to be without it... ever. Thanks, and God Bless!
This is awesome! One question, whenever we are tying to transition from one song to the next with the drone in a different key, the audio shuts off which makes it awkward during worship.
Good honest discussion. It really inspires the vocalists to have the band or as little as the just the keyboard player provide inspiring backdrop to the song. Many in the congregation also love hearing the song as they know it and it inspires them to join in fully. Keyboards in any band that plays live are expected to fill in so many layers of the sound why shouldn't church groups want to have the same full sound as performing acts outside the church without hiring studio level musicians and having a full Orchestra to recreate the song. If you'd rather have the song in a small group in their own sound great, don't use any patches and do your thing. It's up to you!
I personally love song specific patches. I use them very regularly and find they help me to play parts that sound amazing and fill out my team’s sound without taking hours to program. They are such a great resource and such a wonderful blessing for me.
I definitely agree there are times that the album version that a song specific patch replicates doesn’t fit our needs, either because someone else is covering the sounds or our set has a different vibe, but those are times I can rely on my own artistry. There are times where I modify the sound specific patch to match what we are looking for, or just make my own patches.
At the end of the day, worship isn’t about how good of a keys player I am, but about magnifying and glorifying Jesus. Thank you to the Sunday Sounds team for making this resource for us all.
I personally would not use Song-Specific patches. You're already locked down to a certain structure while using stems, I can't imagine myself simply triggering arpeggios and gated synths, etc without doing at least SOME of the "work" myself. I personally wouldn't find any joy to that... but that's just me... I like to play the strobing 1/8 notes on a synth while turning the cutoff knob and controlling the "swells" myself.... I guess I personally just like to be hands on and actually learn the parts and play them. To each their own though. :)
Is Sunday keys also good for urban or gospel type music ? Or is this more geared towards CCM ?
You said you’re screen recording the iPad to get the sound??
Is it the built in screen recorder or a 3rd party app?
I’ve been wanting to record some songs but thought I’d have to go through an audio interface and record in Logic Pro or something.
Hello. I'm a user of Sunday Sounds, it's really saving me time when I need to play some songs.
I have a question: is it possible to remove and add a new piano, for example, on some specific patches? Or are they completely closed for changes?
Yeah I think song patches are great especially if you are still new to layering/effects. Its a good way to start sounding good.
But I think later point in time, musicians will ask or challenge themselves to recreate or even enhance them to improve their skills and musicianship.
I love them, the only challenge I have with them is when I transpose the song you can lose the bottom end. I try to play everything in C and then output it in whatever key the singer and band needs. That can move the bass around some and even if you move the sections around to a lower note it doesn’t play on those notes….not sure why?
Hey guys, just a request can you guys add songs specific patches for Lakewood's latest albums. Thank you!
The core question for each keyboard player has to decide is whether to have and to what extent to follow a song arrangement. At the most basic level you can play piano like an acoustic guitarist following a chord chart, while still permitting some melodic or lead lines, but then the very next question is how accurately to replicate those chord voicings and those melodic/lead lines, including what kind of piano sound/patch. This will depend on your skill/experience, i.e. "musical ear training".
Adding more parts, such as synths, arpeggiators, effects etc. only increases the question of how accurate must you be, and of course you will get many different opinions. I frequently watch the "Song Specific Patches" videos, admittedly with a critical comparison to my own efforts; regarding their accuracy for the various parts. Although in the past I have used Sunday Sounds' Mainstage App, including trying Song Specific Patches, my personal preference is Ableton Live in creating my own song arrangements that more accurately or more closely follow the original arrangement, making adjustments for key transposition, section placement/order etc.. I can attest that the up front software costs and the time required to prepare each song is not insignificant. The Sunday Keys App is more cost effective than Ableton, even if it doesn't meet my own personal requirements. Purchasing a Song Specific Patch for it is only a question of what is your own ability to recreate or arrange keyboard parts and do you have the time required?
Creativity is what we can offer to the Lord. That doesn't matter if we are using patches or create from the scratch. Every event/services has its own taste, playing in the sunday morning is not the same playing in the funeral service.
i got firm foundation ssp a while ago and i dont like how you have to plsy the exact thing in the tutorial and cant go off and play whatever you want. id love to have the sounds not the position of what i need to play
Well, once one has gone down the path of prefab stems and using a $5000 Nord as a MIDI controller, It seems a bit pointless to be worrying about whether song-specific patches is cheating, Lol
makes sense to me
Can I use this on my Nord Stage 3
It’s great to get started, I guess it’s really important to know what things go where and why, and when you design parts and pieces for scratch you develop an intimate knowledge of those things. It’s skill building, so I suppose in that respect? Is it cheating? Maybe a little. Lol
Is using Song Specific Patches a cheat?
Of course I love this video.
Could there be a stupider question? Let's customise them!
Then why are these patches intended to be used.
This topic is repeated in many forums. And I still don't know why?
Factory patch is a factory patch for use. If you want to change it (which I always do), then do it! Blessings!!!!
I think it is great because the congregation is probably expecting the same sounds that they hear on K-Love.
It depends, do you want to be an artist or a musician?
What’s your distinction between the two?
@@curtiscrow An artist expresses themself through their music, a musician plays the piece as is.
Been a musician a long time and never heard that distinction before...interesting. @@D1570R73D
@@D1570R73DNot exactly, the musician is a professional who is able to adapt to the situation as well, if playing exactly like the original isn't the best for that situation, he's able to play what's the best for that kind of situation
@@JogohDLC It depends how much they change the original work.
Most musicians actually can't fully adapt a song to a specific situation. That usually requires switching instruments and musicians typically only know one instrument. If you're talking about changing key or tempo, sure that's within the realm of a musician.
My biggest barrier to using the Sundays Keys app is having to take my hands off of the keyboard to cycle between Snapshots. Is there a way to use an external MIDI controller or foot pedal to do this? I'm afraid that I will fat finger the small buttons on the Snapshots. Or maybe there could be a "Perform" page like Mainstage that has much bigger snapshot buttons.
Yes I use the Korg nanocontrol2. You still have to take a hand off but depending on where you put the controller it makes the travel much shorter. I have the sl88 and it fits perfectly on there. I’ve programmed a the whole controller to control the app. Very handy
You can see in the Song Specific Patches demos that removing a hand from the keyboard to move the mod wheel or hit a scene button can interfere with the correct timing of instrument's entrance in a song's section. This can happen at several different moments in any particular song. Using a MIDI foot switch will only decrease the number of options/instances (8?) vis a vis using a hand controller (NanoControl2). This is one of the reasons I prefer Ableton Live's "Follow" function in my song sections/sets, but this too has the downside of more time spent programming and correcting errors. David briefly refers to using Ableton's "automation", which indeed requires additional programming and adds complexity.
@@allendunning272 if you set up “snapshots” in the app and apply appropriate timing for their transitions, you can hit those transitions times accurately. And it’s smooth.
@@curtiscrow thank you! Do you have it just cycle through the Snapshots or can you assign each Snapshot to a button on the controller?
@@jessechristman1471 I assign each snapshot to a button. Each fader in the software gets a fader on the nanokontrol as well
Its not cheating.. but it creates lazy musicians. Is that bad? Idk really.. church musicians just want to sound good and praise God. So these things are helpful.. but it can be hurtful in the long run when you just get used to push 2-3 buttons and sometimes even just 2-3 keys to play parts people put an effort to creating. All that to say.. it’s not cheating.. but don’t rely on it. Grow your craft and become a better “musician” not just a gear tech