TDS is a terrible thing to have. How is the collapse of Rome and America at all tied to Orange Man Bad? The only way Trump is connected to the collapse of Rome and the USA is the Democrats and Rinos stealing the 2020 election and taking away democracy. @@finddeniro
What moral values, the Romans and the Greeks, didn’t have any high scene of morality, they were constantly at war. The Romans and Greeks, used to have sex, with children, like it was normal.
Someone once said to me in the early 70's that Rome's collapse began when moral values began to slide, and they added that the same would happen to modern society because of the permissive society.
@@florian5810 Do you mean here in the US? We have increasing inflation, regulation, poverty, racial divides, social "polarization", drug use and homelessness.
The Call, an amazing band, released an album in the 80's titled, Modern Romans. "There ain't no Russians, there ain't no Yanks, just corporate criminals play'in with tanks..."
The problem is that there are still people in this world who think that everything is their business, and that they must control everything! That was true 2000 years ago, and it's true right now. A free country makes them angry and exposes their insecurities, and their greed...... as well as their complete insanity!
@@mkeyx82 you did not, you did not say anything abput an Imperium in that post. A Romes border did not ever expand, IIRC after Augustus only Dacia was conquered B trade with asia may have cost gold and silver but definitly not all of it.
She was prophetic in every detail about the downfall of our beloved America. And here we stand, helpless, watching it all go to waste and up in smoke. Sad. Very sad. 🇺🇸 ❤ 🇺🇸 😢
USA is every country in one country Italy is still popular Julius Caesar ,octavius, Giuseppe Garibaldi ,Christine de pizan, Antonio vivaldi Caravaggio,Luciano Pavarotti 🇮🇹 forever
They never learn? How poorly observed. You cannot learn without education. The lack thereof is what those in control use to keep populations pliable. Just look at who supports current politicians. One of those, still wearing his grad hat, was asked the question "how much is a dozen"? The answer, actually his guess: 10? And he wasn't the only one who didn't know. Others didn't know how many states the U.S. has or the name of its Capital. You're right, they never learn. How they graduate from High School is a mystery to me.
I'v never thought about it before but I can certainly see the parallels now, our economy is in near shambles, the government has more power than it was intended to have and there are barbarians at the gates clamoring to get in (southern border).
I couldn't have put that better. I would also like to include the recent pandemic and how it was mishandled here in America, and all of the fallout from that.
Nothing lasts forever but I'm still holding out hope that if the 20th century was "America's Century," then the 21st century can still be the century of the American Revival. We simply have to remember that the Constitution is not a suicide pact and it requires a moral people for America to continue to be truly great, not just a people who morally posture. Change starts from within. Think locally, act domestically.
Actually, any historian will point out the errors in her comparison. She seemed to link the decline to the transition from republic to empire, in which case she is out by 300 years, at least. The end of Rome had nothing to do with government control or taxation. The Huns in the East pushed various Vandal tribes into the Empire. It wasn't destroyed from within but very much from without. I don't mind her trying to make her points, but she sounded foolish when she showed such a lack of understanding if history.
Then there's the paganism, and the immorality and debauchery, to say nothing of the greed for power that seeps up out of hell once the power structure is established and visible. It's like a stench out of a sewer that rushes up out of the vents in the ground to fill a vacuum created by the death of liberty and honesty.
@omnivore The stench came down from the top, long ago. Generations have passed. A parable: cannibalism as it might exist today as normal, socially acceptable fare, was begun several generations ago, such that now, nobody can conceive of there being any problem, either with holding a menu, or with being on the menu as an entre. It continues so long as the subject is censored and the narrative is ubiquitous and persistant by authorites who produce the menu.
No we haven't, we created a prosperous lifestyle that benefited many, what they did with it is their problem, laziness and indolence comes not from us. Having said that the environment of comfort and enjoyment created by the boomers efforts have been well exploited by the bolsheviks who have created the government controls and taxes that Re there now aided and abetted by corrupt local and central government politicians and officials. These are exactly the same people that Rand about railed in her books on the Soviet Union.
@@marioarguello6989 "It is sad for me to say, but once again you overstimate yourselves. It started a few decades before you were a gleam in your father's eyes." Started, yes, but the beatnik/hippie generation was the first mass embodiment of the altruist "ethics", and is the generation which brought it into society politically, journalistically and academically - and whose 'standards' still run those segments with an iron fist today. And that generation was Boomers, though I personally was too young to have been a part of it, as I was born at the end of one of the last Boomer years.
So I guess Joe is Caligula in this analogy. Cal made his horse a counsel. No different from make Austin his Def Sec, now AWOL. Yellen another very old horse at the Treasury and Mayorkas at the border. God help us.
Why? It makes her look stupid. The transition from republic to empire was at least 300 years before the decline. And that decline, when it came, had little to do with centralized government control or taxation. She clearly doesn't know much about ancient history.
Ayn Rand was one of the most insightful observers of social trends during the 20th Century. Her commentary captures many accurate assessments of social and economic trends present during her lifetime. Her crystallization of the psychological basis of socialism both as a political and a social movement was one of the most telling and accurate of any ever made. While there are elements of these statements that reference some aspects of the 'decline' of the Roman Empire, this sweeping generalization is on very shaky ground. Certainly the dysfunctional character of command economies, and in the case of the Roman Empire even command societies, was part of the 'decline of the Roman Empire', that story is far from the simple single factor event her comment here claims. The contrast of the "freedom" of the economy of Republican Rome against the centrally controlled economy of the Empire is unsound. The Republic was not exactly a paragon of capitalism, at all, in sense that we understand the term. Perhaps the best way to understand the Republic would be to think of it as a state enterprise which single business was War. The Republic flourished as long as there were new territories, resources, and especially people, to conquer and exploit. Roman social and economic technology was substantially more efficient than those of surrounding 'barbarian' societies. When Rome could conquer or annex such their resources could then be deployed efficiently to create added wealth, the majority of which was transferred to 'Roman' control. While there was an extensive element of competition among the oligarchy that ruled Rome under the Republic, and this did become increasingly concentrated in the Imperial hierarchy under the Empire, resulting in substantial declines over time in efficiency, under the Republic the oligarchy was small enough and cohesive enough that the same inefficiencies existed (perhaps only to a somewhat lesser extent) than under the Empire. Rome was always an intensely 'socialist' enterprise, from its earliest days, with economic activity being controlled by a handful of elites who effectively ran the state. In the transition from Republic to Empire this did become more stark and concentrated, but it was never anything even remotely resembling a 'free market' economy in the larger sense. There was no real contrast between a free enterprise Republic and a socialist Empire. There was no real contrast between a 'good' Republic and a 'bad' Empire. The only real contrast was between a bad Republic and an even worse Empire. The Empire, as much as anything, developed as an attempt to end, or at least limit, the constant wars over the spoils of Rome's exploitative system. And to some extent, at least for a time, it was successful in this. But ultimately it ended in more or less endless wars over the Empire itself instead of over the spoils of the Republic. And once there were no longer any new territories that could be conquered or annexed profitably within the efficiency of Roman technology, the 'decline' began. The last major 'profitable' annexation was Dacia, in 106. Rome survived for over 300 years afterward, although its 'Golden Age' persisted a much shorter period. This, of course, refers to the Western Empire, rather than the Empire as a whole, as the Eastern Empire survived much longer. But its important to remember that Rome, whether Republic or Empire, was essentially just a form of 'palace economy', with a relatively efficient social and economic technology for the time. It's also important to remember that Rome, and all its territories, for the most part, was a system based on slave labor. While the character of that slavery varied widely from place to place and time to time, at no time during its existence was the Republic or the Empire based on anything other than chattel slavery or forms of peonage. This was a true of the Republic as of the Empire.
All true. But the small degrees in which it changed was enough to contribute to all the other factors that brought collapse. It's true it was a system that depended on expansism. Much like US economy was dependent on constant conquest. Plus modern welfare concepts cannot work when you can importing more and more outsiders who didn't contribute yet to the common wealth but keep taking from it.
All true. But the small degrees in which it changed was enough to contribute to all the other factors that brought collapse. It's true it was a system that depended on expansism. Much like US economy was dependent on constant conquest. Plus modern welfare concepts cannot work when you can importing more and more outsiders who didn't contribute yet to the common wealth but keep taking from it.
All true. But the small degrees in which it changed was enough to contribute to all the other factors that brought collapse. It's true it was a system that depended on expansism. Much like US economy was dependent on constant conquest. Plus modern welfare concepts cannot work when you can importing more and more outsiders who didn't contribute yet to the common wealth but keep taking from it.
All true. But the small degrees in which it changed was enough to contribute to all the other factors that brought collapse. It's true it was a system that depended on expansism. Much like US economy was dependent on constant conquest. Plus modern welfare concepts cannot work when you keep importing more and more outsiders who didn't contribute yet to the common wealth but keep taking from it.
All true. But the small degrees in which it changed was enough to contribute to all the other factors that brought collapse. It's true it was a system that depended on expansism. Much like US economy was dependent on constant conquest. Plus modern welfare concepts cannot work when you keep importing more and more outsiders who didn't contribute yet to the common wealth but keep taking from it.
F... K, finally a person who sa6s what i say. Rome was powerfull, great when she was a freedom based, "based" Republic, the fall started with an empire.
here's what read"During earlier Roman history, tax rates were low, likely because the Roman state required little funding in order to perform its duties. This system resulted in much greater local autonomy, often resulting in poor distribution of the tax money. As the Roman empire expanded, it required more resources to maintain itself and continue growing, resulting in an increased level of taxation.'....During the late Roman empire the level of taxation progressively needed to increase as the Roman empire needed to continue funding the military.(MILITARY SPENDING is costly with wars or spending money on ukraine and israel and other places over there).....Bureaucrats used their position of authority to evade taxes, leaving the burden of taxation on the poorer citizens.(rich people getting huge tax breaks).Increased levels of inflation reduced the value of the money the government received in taxation(INFLATION),Most Late Roman tax money was used to pay off Germanic peoples(supporting new foreign comers across the empire border). Unbearable tax rates after inflation and high military spending causing the poor to become serfs on fief estates and begin barter economy.
Rome and others of the time did not have nuclear missiles. This failed society just might, and probably will lead to a massive extermination of humans.
This is a very limited explanation. She totally ignores the cost of Imperial Rome's huge military commitments' that was the greatest drain upon the economy,and the fact that the Patricians, wealthiest class, could evade taxation altogether! The USA has similar problems to Rome, a vast Industrial/Military commitment, a burgeoning welfare expenditure,Corporate tax evasion to the wealthy " Patrician" classes, Loss of industrial capability, as well as an " invasion of the barbarian's"! The lamentable state of your education will only add to the collapse!
It's doubtful that Rome would have lasted as long as it did under the Republic system. It would have weakened from the constant civil wars experienced as a republic.
What a top-notch final line! "We don't have to give up and give into the barbarians yet, but they're certainly waiting very anxiously." Any ideas who these barbarians of the the 21-st century might be? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Kazarian mafia- they aren't around anymore though. There have been more than 700,000 indictments world wide and almost finished with the military tribunals. There will be an Emergency Alert System informing the world about all that has been going on. I could care less if don't believe me. So don't bother responding.
it is clearly incorrect to say the decline began with the transition from republic to empire. In fact that is out by a couple of hundred years at least. And blaming the growth of government control and taxation for the decline of the Roman Empire is delusional. It is so ridiculous that its hard to see where such an idea even came from. Also ridiculous to associate the Republic with freedom. A great deal is known about the decline of Rome. It can easily be studied if anyone cares to.
Agreed. Rome died when marcus aurelius died. Commodus started the bread and circuses that weakened the economy and spirit of Rome. That made possible for the barbarians to take over from the inside. The parralels is strikingly similiar. US died during the financial crisis in 2008. After that everything went downhill, currently in the bread and circuses phase. Next battle of monocutural tribes. And possibly last one is secession of states.
What will take its place? We didn't foil up as much as "dropped the ball". They love to disparage our best age, the 1950's, which was a total boon in every arena. "Hate your parents", (who were hero's), they are telling our kids.
@@davidbell1619 interesting. So the barbarians brought Rome down. Can we say that consequence of that turned out better for the world a few centuries on or worse?
@@stinger4712 If you believe that the Dark Ages was an improvement over life as a Roman then I suppose it turned out better for you. For the rest of humanity.... not so much.
The woman was full of will and genius, yet died penniless? Kind of tells you something doesn't it? Thomas Jefferson was willful and genius, yet died in debt. Kind of tells you something doesn't it? At the luncheon table, the biggest tits, biceps and bank account dominates the overall MSM reality, in a capitalistic society, and also now, the biggest cry baby as well.
Ayn Rand died a wealthy woman. She never received any government assistance because she never needed nor sought government assistance. You have posted these lies elsewhere and I have corrected you before, yet you persist on posting the same lies over and over again. That is simply despicable.
Oddly enough, between the 50's-60's, Ayn Rand's time, and now, the US has dismantled a lot of the welfare state. No more 'great society', cuts to social security, weakened Medicare rules. Lower and lower taxation on the oligarchs, so freedom to use your money how you see fit. Lower union representation to get in the way of the worker to have the freedom to negotiate directly with his employer. Nationwide compulsory vaccinations, which have been going down since then. There's a whole lot more "freedom" now than there was in the 1960's, but it sure doesn't feel like it's benefitting anyone.
@@francikoen And more and more Americans need them because more and more things are illegal, thus we have fewer and fewer ways of making money and less and less affordable housing. It's been called "forced dependency". So the left complains that we aren't looting the rich enough, and the right complains that benefits should be cut even though the right haven't helped create a parallel system of freedom so we can earn our own way. I've seen this from the very highest levels to the very lowest. Haven't we all? Illegal immigrants should never receive welfare. _That_ should be cut off immediately because the US wasn't the country which forced them into dependency, thus it's not the US' responsibility to get them out of it. Just stopping that alone would solve most of our immigration "problem". Let them come here legally and work for _any_ wage that's acceptable to them, without meddling 3rd party bureaucrats voicing their 100% worthless little opinions and pointing their guns at people.
In fact, she is not right, at least not completely. Rome did well even when it was an empire for a full 180 years. This was followed by 100 years of internal problems, but after that came 50 good years. This was followed by 140 years of disintegration. With the fact that those last 140 years were problematic for the Western Roman Empire, NOT for the Eastern one. The Eastern Empire survived for the next 1000 years. So what she claims is factually incorrect.
Actually, you can't blame the fall of Rome on the welfare programmes of the Empire, for many social measures were taken during the years of the Republic, and then copied by the various Emperors; although it is probably accurate to say that the immoral conduct of the Emperors and their policies designed to limit citizens' freedom undermined more than anything else the structure of the Roman State
@@mediaboyz9848 I'm generally an optimist in my own life, but I see things for what they are right now and I think everything is hanging on by a thread. I hope I am wrong.
As a latin american I may be considered a barbarian, even if being a heir of the ancient Roman empire, and the shapers and rulers of the actual American empire the descendants of the former barbarians. I should say I am anxiously expecting the colapse so to take over.
LOL. You are considered a moocher by most people living in a country. The rulers wants people like you into their countries because you still vote socialistic as they want. An actual barbarian tears down their power structure. Dream On! EDIT: Well, Cubans under the ruling of Obama actually got banned as immigrants in the USA. The government realized that they really knew socialism and were fed up with it.
What will you take over when you can't even maintain your own county's infrastructure. The world runs on northern European sensibilities. Tropical countries have very little to contribute in that regard. You people are barely able to maintain a road never mind complex city's. Good luck my brother man. You can have it
Northern europeans ransacked the Roman empire that's what I mean by taking over. I don't rule this country so I have nothing to do with infrastructure maintenance. I studied marine engineering at a Navy School I mean at university level and I may have good contributions in this field, furthermore I have learned "motu propio" many other European sensibilities. Who are you to qualify the capabilities of countries? Long ago have I learnt about this despise from anglosaxons or even europeans in general towards third world countries or people. My native language being spanish I have written some 100 song lyrics when at 17 years old, most of them world level success. Without having stayed more than a month in the states my english level may be better than that of many Americans,just to show you something you can see.I have written song lyrics in english,success as well. Wellerman, material girl, La Isla bonita, how do you like them?@@almabraun3799
This is the most ridiculous comparison which you can make🥳🤠🤠🤠🤠90 percent of Amerika is Hollywood . Learn History and you know the difference !!! No more to say it's too ridiculous
If Anne Rand was alive today, she would despise today’s Republicans especially those that support government to interfere with the decisions women make with their doctors not to mention the fundamentalists in the party. Also would not take kindly to the Republican Party for abandoning Republicanism for Modern American Conservatism; she’s rolling in her grave. Republicanism and liberalism are legitimate values and ideologies of US society and it is sad to see the GOP no longer embraces Republicanism and the Democrats no longer liberalism. Credit where credit is due for the hypocrite though, at least she opposed the Vietnam war, supported abortion rights, and was an advocate for repealing all the laws against hom0sexuality. According to her the only moral social system was laissez-faire capitalism, which is BS. No lack of prominent economists and capitalists over the decades acknowledge that the philosophy of laissez-faire capitalism never was a moral social system not to mention would never be sustainable. It would only cannibalize its own markets and has to therefore always be expanding to a growing population, new markets, and emerging markets. But once globalization is achieved, it has no where to grow. Every economic system has a cost to society even a so called "free market" one, as those that succeed in them control most of the resources. No economic system is escapable from some type of authority be it government or those that control the resources, which is why no free market economy exists; not even in Singapore, US, Switzerland, and New Zealand to name a few. Brings to mind that there is not even a free market in energy; all energies are a network of administered oligopolies. Nobody would put up with paying the full price of energy. Not the powers that be, and not the consumers.
Right, it's the end of an empire. It's amazing how many people are blind to it. Hope springs eternal.
One must add the excessive greed of politicians to the story of Rome's collapse.
Real Estate Investment Trusts. Trump..Pelousy..Newsun.Rodney..many others.
Are you saying the USA does not engage in quantitative easing? How much have they 'printed' now?
Fact....
TDS is a terrible thing to have.
How is the collapse of Rome and America at all tied to Orange Man Bad?
The only way Trump is connected to the collapse of Rome and the USA is the Democrats and Rinos stealing the 2020 election and taking away democracy.
@@finddeniro
That was the reason for Romes collapse
One should also add that the collapse began with a sharp decline in moral values. Same as we see today in this country.
Debasement of Morals, Professional Ethics, and Debasement of Currency......we have it all....soon over for US.
Sodom and Gomorrah all over again.
Yes, Republicons are leading this country into moral decay!
What moral values, the Romans and the Greeks, didn’t have any high scene of morality, they were constantly at war. The Romans and Greeks, used to have sex, with children, like it was normal.
Someone once said to me in the early 70's that Rome's collapse began when moral values began to slide, and they added that the same would happen to modern society because of the permissive society.
I've been saying for nearly 30 years, Rome is falling. Now you see more & more people saying it, especially the last ~10 years.
pessimism and negativism are spreading very fast the last 10 years... it´s dangerous and wrong, because we have a good life.
@@florian5810 Do you mean here in the US? We have increasing inflation, regulation, poverty, racial divides, social "polarization", drug use and homelessness.
@@florian5810 I think you mean delusion & denial.
@@florian5810 People are waking up after 10 woke years towards socialism.
She said this 56 years ago.
The Call, an amazing band, released an album in the 80's titled, Modern Romans. "There ain't no Russians, there ain't no Yanks, just corporate criminals play'in with tanks..."
Do not try to bend the government, that’s impossible.
Instead….only try to realize the truth;
There is no government….only corporations.
The problem is that there are still people in this world who think that everything is their business, and that they must control everything! That was true 2000 years ago, and it's true right now. A free country makes them angry and exposes their insecurities, and their greed...... as well as their complete insanity!
Another thing that killed Rome's coffers is the fact the border was ever expanding and all the gold/copper coin was being spent far from the treasury.
first is false
the second maybe a halftruth
@@thodan467 Right. Rome was not an imperially oriented state. I can't believe how I managed to get that wrong.
@@mkeyx82
you did not, you did not say anything abput an Imperium in that post.
A Romes border did not ever expand, IIRC after Augustus only Dacia was conquered
B trade with asia may have cost gold and silver but definitly not all of it.
She was prophetic in every detail about the downfall of our beloved America. And here we stand, helpless, watching it all go to waste and up in smoke. Sad. Very sad. 🇺🇸 ❤ 🇺🇸 😢
Same in Europe...
“A great civilization in not conquered from without until is destroyed itself from within”~ Will Durant.
Yup , just like Rome, people just never learn. They let history repeat itself over and over.
That’s why it is so important for democrats to destroy statues and history so future generations have no clue!!
Kind of like Planet of the Apes 😏
USA is every country in one country
Italy is still popular
Julius Caesar ,octavius, Giuseppe Garibaldi ,Christine de pizan, Antonio vivaldi Caravaggio,Luciano Pavarotti 🇮🇹 forever
They never learn? How poorly observed. You cannot learn without education. The lack thereof is what those in control use to keep populations pliable. Just look at who supports current politicians. One of those, still wearing his grad hat, was asked the question "how much is a dozen"? The answer, actually his guess: 10? And he wasn't the only one who didn't know. Others didn't know how many states the U.S. has or the name of its Capital. You're right, they never learn. How they graduate from High School is a mystery to me.
Those who are TOO STUPID to LEARN THE LESSONS OF HISTORY are DOOMED to repeat History!
Spot on , Ayn !
She forgot to mention mass migration.
Given she was a Ukrainian and believed in freedom including freedom of movement I suspect AR was all for mass migration.
Barbarians?
@@gummansgubbe6225now know as, "Immigrants/Asylum seekers/undocumented worker"
@@gummansgubbe6225 Yes. There are now 255,000 Palestinians living in the United States. They clearly qualify. Among many others...
Let's build a time machine to go back the 1960's and remind her of her error.
💯And we’re seeing it happen in real time right before our very eyes. Those who don’t learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.
I'v never thought about it before but I can certainly see the parallels now, our economy is in near shambles, the government has more power than it was intended to have and there are barbarians at the gates clamoring to get in (southern border).
I couldn't have put that better. I would also like to include the recent pandemic and how it was mishandled here in America, and all of the fallout from that.
Nothing lasts forever but I'm still holding out hope that if the 20th century was "America's Century," then the 21st century can still be the century of the American Revival. We simply have to remember that the Constitution is not a suicide pact and it requires a moral people for America to continue to be truly great, not just a people who morally posture. Change starts from within. Think locally, act domestically.
A wonderful gift to America and the world.
Ayn Rand just yesterday: "Nailed it."
Actually, any historian will point out the errors in her comparison. She seemed to link the decline to the transition from republic to empire, in which case she is out by 300 years, at least. The end of Rome had nothing to do with government control or taxation. The Huns in the East pushed various Vandal tribes into the Empire. It wasn't destroyed from within but very much from without. I don't mind her trying to make her points, but she sounded foolish when she showed such a lack of understanding if history.
Then there's the paganism, and the immorality and debauchery, to say nothing of the greed for power that seeps up out of hell once the power structure is established and visible. It's like a stench out of a sewer that rushes up out of the vents in the ground to fill a vacuum created by the death of liberty and honesty.
Correct
GOAT....look up the meaning when spelt with capitals. The ...Sewer...
Maybe. But it also sounds like you're trying to justify some specific bigotry. Care to tell us who the "stench" is made of here in our modern day?
@omnivore The stench came down from the top, long ago. Generations have passed. A parable: cannibalism as it might exist today as normal, socially acceptable fare, was begun several generations ago, such that now, nobody can conceive of there being any problem, either with holding a menu, or with being on the menu as an entre. It continues so long as the subject is censored and the narrative is ubiquitous and persistant by authorites who produce the menu.
Well said!!
It’s sad for me to say, but as a baby boomer, we’ve led this decline.
No we haven't, we created a prosperous lifestyle that benefited many, what they did with it is their problem, laziness and indolence comes not from us. Having said that the environment of comfort and enjoyment created by the boomers efforts have been well exploited by the bolsheviks who have created the government controls and taxes that Re there now aided and abetted by corrupt local and central government politicians and officials.
These are exactly the same people that Rand about railed in her books on the Soviet Union.
NO! This a Soros, Claus Schwab and their handlers work. They believe that they can continue without people, assisted by AI.
It is sad for me to say, but once again you overstimate yourselves. It started a few decades before you were a gleam in your father's eyes.
Well, maybe not so much "we", but yeah: way too many members of "our" generation. 😞
@@marioarguello6989 "It is sad for me to say, but once again you overstimate yourselves. It started a few decades before you were a gleam in your father's eyes."
Started, yes, but the beatnik/hippie generation was the first mass embodiment of the altruist "ethics", and is the generation which brought it into society politically, journalistically and academically - and whose 'standards' still run those segments with an iron fist today. And that generation was Boomers, though I personally was too young to have been a part of it, as I was born at the end of one of the last Boomer years.
I agree.
Obsession and confusion on sexual matters is a clear sign of the beginning of the end.
So I guess Joe is Caligula in this analogy. Cal made his horse a counsel. No different from make Austin his Def Sec, now AWOL. Yellen another very old horse at the Treasury and Mayorkas at the border. God help us.
Nero, fiddling (with kids) while Rome burns.
Yelled has been executed.
In 2008, when I hit the bottom from which I am not very far up from now, a person I encountered was referring to us as 'Rome West'.
I remember telling a coworker around 2001 that "there were cracks in the empire", she thought I was nuts, which maybe I am, but I certainly was right.
Rome never fell, it just moved across the Atlantic.
Well you do have a senate same as Rome had and a president is basically the Emperor.
Excellent observations by Ayn!
Awful observations. Complete lack of knowledge of Roman history.
Cut, copy, and paste this everywhere you can !!!
Why? It makes her look stupid. The transition from republic to empire was at least 300 years before the decline. And that decline, when it came, had little to do with centralized government control or taxation. She clearly doesn't know much about ancient history.
Ayn Rand was one of the most insightful observers of social trends during the 20th Century. Her commentary captures many accurate assessments of social and economic trends present during her lifetime. Her crystallization of the psychological basis of socialism both as a political and a social movement was one of the most telling and accurate of any ever made.
While there are elements of these statements that reference some aspects of the 'decline' of the Roman Empire, this sweeping generalization is on very shaky ground.
Certainly the dysfunctional character of command economies, and in the case of the Roman Empire even command societies, was part of the 'decline of the Roman Empire', that story is far from the simple single factor event her comment here claims. The contrast of the "freedom" of the economy of Republican Rome against the centrally controlled economy of the
Empire is unsound. The Republic was not exactly a paragon of capitalism, at all, in sense that we understand the term. Perhaps the best way to understand the Republic would be to think of it as a state enterprise which single business was War. The Republic flourished as long as there were new territories, resources, and especially people, to conquer and exploit. Roman social and economic technology was substantially more efficient than those of surrounding 'barbarian' societies. When Rome could conquer or annex such their resources could then be deployed efficiently to create added wealth, the majority of which was transferred to 'Roman' control. While there was an extensive element of competition among the oligarchy that ruled Rome under the Republic, and this did become increasingly concentrated in the Imperial hierarchy under the Empire, resulting in substantial declines over time in efficiency, under the Republic the oligarchy was small enough and cohesive enough that the same inefficiencies existed (perhaps only to a somewhat lesser extent) than under the Empire. Rome was always an intensely 'socialist' enterprise, from its earliest days, with economic activity being controlled by a handful of elites who effectively ran the state. In the transition from Republic to Empire this did become more stark and concentrated,
but it was never anything even remotely resembling a 'free market' economy in the larger sense. There was no real contrast between a free enterprise Republic and a socialist Empire. There was no real contrast between a 'good' Republic and a 'bad' Empire. The only real contrast was between a bad Republic and an even worse Empire. The Empire, as much as anything,
developed as an attempt to end, or at least limit, the constant wars over the spoils of Rome's exploitative system. And to some extent, at least for a time, it was successful in this. But ultimately it ended in more or less endless wars over the Empire itself instead of over the spoils of the Republic. And once there were no longer any new territories that could be conquered or annexed profitably within the efficiency of Roman technology, the 'decline' began. The last major 'profitable' annexation was Dacia, in 106. Rome survived for over 300 years afterward, although its 'Golden Age' persisted a much shorter period. This, of course, refers to the Western Empire, rather than the Empire as a whole, as the Eastern Empire survived much longer. But its important to remember that Rome, whether Republic or Empire, was essentially just a form of 'palace economy', with a relatively efficient social and economic technology for the time. It's also important to remember that Rome, and all its territories, for the most part, was a system based on slave labor. While the character of that slavery varied widely from place to place and time to time, at no time during its existence was the Republic or the Empire based on anything other than chattel slavery or forms of peonage. This was a true of the Republic as of the Empire.
All true. But the small degrees in which it changed was enough to contribute to all the other factors that brought collapse. It's true it was a system that depended on expansism. Much like US economy was dependent on constant conquest. Plus modern welfare concepts cannot work when you can importing more and more outsiders who didn't contribute yet to the common wealth but keep taking from it.
All true. But the small degrees in which it changed was enough to contribute to all the other factors that brought collapse. It's true it was a system that depended on expansism. Much like US economy was dependent on constant conquest. Plus modern welfare concepts cannot work when you can importing more and more outsiders who didn't contribute yet to the common wealth but keep taking from it.
All true. But the small degrees in which it changed was enough to contribute to all the other factors that brought collapse. It's true it was a system that depended on expansism. Much like US economy was dependent on constant conquest. Plus modern welfare concepts cannot work when you can importing more and more outsiders who didn't contribute yet to the common wealth but keep taking from it.
All true. But the small degrees in which it changed was enough to contribute to all the other factors that brought collapse. It's true it was a system that depended on expansism. Much like US economy was dependent on constant conquest.
Plus modern welfare concepts cannot work when you keep importing more and more outsiders who didn't contribute yet to the common wealth but keep taking from it.
All true. But the small degrees in which it changed was enough to contribute to all the other factors that brought collapse. It's true it was a system that depended on expansism. Much like US economy was dependent on constant conquest.
Plus modern welfare concepts cannot work when you keep importing more and more outsiders who didn't contribute yet to the common wealth but keep taking from it.
F... K, finally a person who sa6s what i say.
Rome was powerfull, great when she was a freedom based, "based" Republic, the fall started with an empire.
This is why in the 60's I read Ayn Rand, Nathaniel Branden, etc....
The barbarians are at the gate, the Southern border.
Yep
Caligula Joe. 😄
here's what read"During earlier Roman history, tax rates were low, likely because the Roman state required little funding in order to perform its duties. This system resulted in much greater local autonomy, often resulting in poor distribution of the tax money. As the Roman empire expanded, it required more resources to maintain itself and continue growing, resulting in an increased level of taxation.'....During the late Roman empire the level of taxation progressively needed to increase as the Roman empire needed to continue funding the military.(MILITARY SPENDING is costly with wars or spending money on ukraine and israel and other places over there).....Bureaucrats used their position of authority to evade taxes, leaving the burden of taxation on the poorer citizens.(rich people getting huge tax breaks).Increased levels of inflation reduced the value of the money the government received in taxation(INFLATION),Most Late Roman tax money was used to pay off Germanic peoples(supporting new foreign comers across the empire border). Unbearable tax rates after inflation and high military spending causing the poor to become serfs on fief estates and begin barter economy.
Ayn' s Family ...FLED from the Russian Revolution..
For their LIVES.
Rome and others of the time did not have nuclear missiles. This failed society just might, and probably will lead to a massive extermination of humans.
Tyhis was one smart woman! Oh, and correct in what she says...
Gar Darn it! and I thought it was just me thinkin that there thought, thanks Ann!
wow...................mind blown!
Mostly how every society fails
it's like they're leading us into the desert.
At the end of the day?
"If Billboards work. One Day We Should Know It!" "Toughest things about Thought's Is Having Them" r.p.🌸
Ayn Rand!
Time is a wave...
This is a very limited explanation. She totally ignores the cost of Imperial Rome's huge military commitments' that was the greatest drain upon the economy,and the fact that the Patricians, wealthiest class, could evade taxation altogether!
The USA has similar problems to Rome, a vast Industrial/Military commitment, a burgeoning welfare expenditure,Corporate tax evasion to the wealthy " Patrician" classes, Loss of industrial capability, as well as an " invasion of the barbarian's"! The lamentable state of your education will only add to the collapse!
It's not the Barbarians outside the gate. It's the Uncivilized Barbarians that are "Home Grown!"
The barbarians are walking across the border right now.
Nope. They’re already in.
Toothless and red hatted.
They debased there money also. Started as real money turning into worthless junk.
As Rome went so goes America....The Proof is Everywhere.
…the barbarians are @ & through the gate in the millions…
We are the modern day Rome and we are collapsing from within.
...and people wonder why American men think of Rome, so often...
Yeah, the barbarians are here
Yes sir striking how we are going the same as rome
Will we ever learn anything from history?
It's doubtful that Rome would have lasted as long as it did under the Republic system. It would have weakened from the constant civil wars experienced as a republic.
Proud to be a Barbarian!
The new order of the world is The World Fairness Agreement.
Also the rise of inflation that collapsed Rome.
She already knew what was to be happening,even Nostradamus couldn’t see it !!!!😮
Babylon the Great, anyone?
Collapse by design
And it fall like Rome!
Surely such a comparrison is a little denigrating to Rome?
Fallen.
What a top-notch final line! "We don't have to give up and give into the barbarians yet, but they're certainly waiting very anxiously."
Any ideas who these barbarians of the the 21-st century might be?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Kazarian mafia- they aren't around anymore though. There have been more than 700,000 indictments world wide and almost finished with the military tribunals. There will be an Emergency Alert System informing the world about all that has been going on. I could care less if don't believe me. So don't bother responding.
Red hatted and toothless.
it is clearly incorrect to say the decline began with the transition from republic to empire. In fact that is out by a couple of hundred years at least. And blaming the growth of government control and taxation for the decline of the Roman Empire is delusional. It is so ridiculous that its hard to see where such an idea even came from. Also ridiculous to associate the Republic with freedom. A great deal is known about the decline of Rome. It can easily be studied if anyone cares to.
Agreed. Rome died when marcus aurelius died. Commodus started the bread and circuses that weakened the economy and spirit of Rome. That made possible for the barbarians to take over from the inside. The parralels is strikingly similiar.
US died during the financial crisis in 2008. After that everything went downhill, currently in the bread and circuses phase. Next battle of monocutural tribes. And possibly last one is secession of states.
Mass slavery or in modern terms mass immigration was another nail in the coffin.
The decline of the USA and the UK is there for all to see (and experience).
What will take its place? We didn't foil up as much as "dropped the ball". They love to disparage our best age, the 1950's, which was a total boon in every arena. "Hate your parents", (who were hero's), they are telling our kids.
No Volume must be how
zee vukheds Cenzor zees dayz.
What else would Ayn Rand say about the collapse of Rome?? 😅 Why did the toast land on the side with the jelly? Because of Socialism of course!!
🙂🕵😎..She Forgot.There was Also..MORAL Decline And SEXUAL Depravity..😐, so..🙏❤
Not to mention open borders.
Maybe it is all like watching an 8 ft tall menace from outerspace walk thru Miami.
Barbarians? Well Well Well... I guess she was pointing in the wrong direction...?
Except Rome didn't have a pyramid 🙂
So who would be the barbarians waiting to take control today?
Islam.
@@davidbell1619 interesting. So the barbarians brought Rome down. Can we say that consequence of that turned out better for the world a few centuries on or worse?
@@stinger4712 If you believe that the Dark Ages was an improvement over life as a Roman then I suppose it turned out better for you. For the rest of humanity.... not so much.
One of the formost proponents of selfishness.
Ironic seeing as how she died penniless and taking full advantage of the very programs she sought to deny others.
The woman was full of will and genius, yet died penniless? Kind of tells you something doesn't it? Thomas Jefferson was willful and genius, yet died in debt. Kind of tells you something doesn't it? At the luncheon table, the biggest tits, biceps and bank account dominates the overall MSM reality, in a capitalistic society, and also now, the biggest cry baby as well.
Doesn't mean she wasn't right. "You're a hypocrite," is the argument of 14 year olds who still think the world is black and white.
Ayn Rand died a wealthy woman. She never received any government assistance because she never needed nor sought government assistance.
You have posted these lies elsewhere and I have corrected you before, yet you persist on posting the same lies over and over again.
That is simply despicable.
Oddly enough, between the 50's-60's, Ayn Rand's time, and now, the US has dismantled a lot of the welfare state. No more 'great society', cuts to social security, weakened Medicare rules. Lower and lower taxation on the oligarchs, so freedom to use your money how you see fit. Lower union representation to get in the way of the worker to have the freedom to negotiate directly with his employer. Nationwide compulsory vaccinations, which have been going down since then. There's a whole lot more "freedom" now than there was in the 1960's, but it sure doesn't feel like it's benefitting anyone.
More freedom in some things, less in others. Thus most of the benefits move around more than they sit still and accumulate.
The Welfare State has expanded. More and more Americans are receiving Government benefits. And now illegal immigrants are
receiving welfare.
@@francikoen And more and more Americans need them because more and more things are illegal, thus we have fewer and fewer ways of making money and less and less affordable housing. It's been called "forced dependency". So the left complains that we aren't looting the rich enough, and the right complains that benefits should be cut even though the right haven't helped create a parallel system of freedom so we can earn our own way. I've seen this from the very highest levels to the very lowest. Haven't we all?
Illegal immigrants should never receive welfare. _That_ should be cut off immediately because the US wasn't the country which forced them into dependency, thus it's not the US' responsibility to get them out of it. Just stopping that alone would solve most of our immigration "problem". Let them come here legally and work for _any_ wage that's acceptable to them, without meddling 3rd party bureaucrats voicing their 100% worthless little opinions and pointing their guns at people.
Latin America is more like Ancient Rome than North America.
Does Carl Jung have something to say about it ?
The migrant hordes crashing the gates.....
They're at the southern border.
Nope. They’re inside the border. Toothless and red hatted.
In fact, she is not right, at least not completely. Rome did well even when it was an empire for a full 180 years. This was followed by 100 years of internal problems, but after that came 50 good years. This was followed by 140 years of disintegration. With the fact that those last 140 years were problematic for the Western Roman Empire, NOT for the Eastern one. The Eastern Empire survived for the next 1000 years. So what she claims is factually incorrect.
Actually, you can't blame the fall of Rome on the welfare programmes of the Empire, for many social measures were taken during the years of the Republic, and then copied by the various Emperors; although it is probably accurate to say that the immoral conduct of the Emperors and their policies designed to limit citizens' freedom undermined more than anything else the structure of the Roman State
The barbarians have arrived
FJB!
Rome took 1,000 years so the USA has a few more years perhaps ?
I give it 50.
I give it 5
@@rebeccaa2433 glass is half empty lol
@@mediaboyz9848 I'm generally an optimist in my own life, but I see things for what they are right now and I think everything is hanging on by a thread. I hope I am wrong.
@@rebeccaa2433 I hear you
I plan on being one of those barbarians when the lights go out.
I wonder what the Barbarians of today were that she referred to.
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facepalms, a lot fo people have been talking about it since last few years ! nice palgarismn !
😂😂😂 oh please do not insult the romans
well both were destroyed by Christianity, for one.
Ah, the Godmother of Satanism speaks. The Corporate Cult of Selfishness sure makes strange bedfellows.
"ATTSA' MATTA" FO" YOU!!?!?!?!??!??
As a latin american I may be considered a barbarian, even if being a heir of the ancient Roman empire, and the shapers and rulers of the actual American empire the descendants of the former barbarians.
I should say I am anxiously expecting the colapse so to take over.
LOL. You are considered a moocher by most people living in a country. The rulers wants people like you into their countries because you still vote socialistic as they want. An actual barbarian tears down their power structure.
Dream On!
EDIT: Well, Cubans under the ruling of Obama actually got banned as immigrants in the USA. The government realized that they really knew socialism and were fed up with it.
What will you take over when you can't even maintain your own county's infrastructure. The world runs on northern European sensibilities. Tropical countries have very little to contribute in that regard. You people are barely able to maintain a road never mind complex city's. Good luck my brother man. You can have it
Northern europeans ransacked the Roman empire that's what I mean by taking over.
I don't rule this country so I have nothing to do with infrastructure maintenance.
I studied marine engineering at a Navy School I mean at university level and I may have good contributions in this field, furthermore I have learned "motu propio" many other European sensibilities.
Who are you to qualify the capabilities of countries?
Long ago have I learnt about this despise from anglosaxons or even europeans in general towards third world countries or people.
My native language being spanish I have written some 100 song lyrics when at 17 years old, most of them world level success.
Without having stayed more than a month in the states my english level may be better than that of many Americans,just to show you something you can see.I have written song lyrics in english,success as well. Wellerman, material girl, La Isla bonita, how do you like them?@@almabraun3799
It is the same vision from Obama and Clinton.
This is the most ridiculous comparison which you can make🥳🤠🤠🤠🤠90 percent of Amerika is Hollywood . Learn History and you know the difference !!! No more to say it's too ridiculous
what Ian dont seem to realize is that she was one of the barberians
Well, her English was certainly better than yours. Please do not embarrass yourself with such foolish posts in the future.
I wonder if Ayn is enjoying HELL
Keep wondering 🤡
Let's remember she lived on government aid at the end of her life.
If Anne Rand was alive today, she would despise today’s Republicans especially those that support government to interfere with the decisions women make with their doctors not to mention the fundamentalists in the party. Also would not take kindly to the Republican Party for abandoning Republicanism for Modern American Conservatism; she’s rolling in her grave.
Republicanism and liberalism are legitimate values and ideologies of US society and it is sad to see the GOP no longer embraces Republicanism and the Democrats no longer liberalism.
Credit where credit is due for the hypocrite though, at least she opposed the Vietnam war, supported abortion rights, and was an advocate for repealing all the laws against hom0sexuality.
According to her the only moral social system was laissez-faire capitalism, which is BS. No lack of prominent economists and capitalists over the decades acknowledge that the philosophy of laissez-faire capitalism never was a moral social system not to mention would never be sustainable. It would only cannibalize its own markets and has to therefore always be expanding to a growing population, new markets, and emerging markets. But once globalization is achieved, it has no where to grow.
Every economic system has a cost to society even a so called "free market" one, as those that succeed in them control most of the resources. No economic system is escapable from some type of authority be it government or those that control the resources, which is why no free market economy exists; not even in Singapore, US, Switzerland, and New Zealand to name a few.
Brings to mind that there is not even a free market in energy; all energies are a network of administered oligopolies. Nobody would put up with paying the full price of energy. Not the powers that be, and not the consumers.
Doesn't mean she wasn't right. "You're a hypocrite," is the argument of 14 year olds who still think the world is black and white.
Ridiculous, but sounds so dramatic.