Successes And Challenges Ahead For The 737 MAX
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- Опубликовано: 17 авг 2022
- Moving away from its 2019 crisis, what kinds of successes and challenges is the 737 MAX facing today?
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Seems like confidence is being restored in the 737 MAX. That’s good to see.
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I saw the excellent documentary film, "Downfall: The Case Against Boeing". It was really eye-opening to see the greed of the executive board led to the massive collapse of trust in Boeing.
OMG What exactly has the documentary film on Netflix The Case Against Boeing got to do with the video of the 737max being successful in 2022? you really like to say these things don't you! I'm sure there were documentaries about airbus about how they were greedy and have led to the collapses of trust of airbus back in the day. guess what 2022 has brought trust back to Boeing. does that make you cry?
That documentary is the literal definition of bias
given that Boeing have brought the trouble upon themselves, I feel the MAX 10 should get the updated cockpit, not get a waiver making it exempt past 2022
And make this upgrade (which should have been there since -300) to all MAXs
Not that I disagree, but to play Devil's advocate, apparently airlines are on board with keeping the same cockpit design as commonality is an advantage when it comes to pilot training and knowing where things are in a time of crisis because you've been flying the [outdated] 737 for decades can be construed as an argument for keeping the cockpit design.
But the 737 design in general is just too old they should have a clean sheet.
@@christodang boeing is planning on a new clean sheet design that will replace 737 Max's in the future, but right now boeing is taking care of there projects that need addressing
a320 and 330 needs new cockpit they modernise most of the plane but not the dase big screen s needed like a350 and 787 D .
@@thecurlew7403 its true that A320, 330 cockpits are outdated compared to 350, but still ages ahead of the cockpit of a 737 which to this day still 80% analog
I just flew on a 737 MAX for the first time. It’s a fine aircraft. I flew in priority seating for extra legroom. It is just ahead of the engines, where I could get a good look at how large the fan is. The recertified MAX will have the reliability of the NG series. No passenger showed any signs of apprehension about flying on a MAX.
The MAX 10 is nice but what Boeing really needs is a 757 replacement
There getting there but Boeing has too many New Planes to Operate at this time The Boeing 757 Replacement may not happen as yet which will take a Decade to look into.
They do need to replace the 75’s and the 76’s series. Both those model aircraft will going to the recycle/scrap yard in mass numbers here pretty soon. I know their attempting to have the 78’s fill in the hole for now but I don’t think that’ll please many airlines. I could be wrong though.
@@alaskan3304 The 787 could replace the 767 since they both have similar capacity. The issue is with replacing the 757. The MAX 10 and 787-8 could fill this role if put on the right routes but like you said this won't please many airlines.
Ironically I’d wager that if they reproduced the 757 right now, there’s be few takers just like the first time around. I don’t know why it didn’t sell that well initially but for right now it’s just too thirsty. Times have changed
@@joedavenport2477 absolutely. I’m not sure about the number pax though. I don’t remember what the 200/300 pax load was but yes I agree with you about 78’s.
They need to give a waiver to the max 10 to keep it common with other max aircraft not doing so will cost the airlines millions.
Nice video. Keep up the good work.
what a missed opportunity by airbus. They could of done mass hirings all that time the max was grounded.
Awesome to see a Caribbean Airlines max 8 plane in this video 😍
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737 is a work horse of a plane. If they built on this for the design of the max, now that the issues seem to have been ironed out, it should keep 737s in the skies for many years to come
To be honest, I hope that the MAX is the last generation of 737. A successor of it is so overdue.
@@GeoStreber You have a point. One of the things I took from the video was it might be worth calling it a different plane, as in a 737 relative with a different number, since the cockpit most likely will have to change to meet certification requirements.
@@eamonahern7495 It not only needs a new cockpit. It needs a composite airframe and wings, taller wheel setups to avoid that engine positioning problem that the max suffers from (and that airbus doesn't have in their A320), as well as completely new avionics and logistics. It has to be a new plane alltogether. Basically using all the tech that you find in the 787 scaled down to the size of the 737.
@@GeoStreber Ah. I see
@@eamonahern7495 kind of like Ryan Airs doing with calling them 737-8200 verses any reference of being a max. GeoStreber I’m with u and this. The aircraft has had a great history but like you I’m hopeful that the max will be the end to the airframe.
The biggest thing that’s helping right now is that system installed on all Max’s delivered where Boeing themselves can actually be warned of an in service typical snag and then pass the message on to the airlines. It’s a new thing I’ve found out
I believe that’s a program that the FAA implemented as part of the recertification for the 8’s and 9’s. Guess they, the FAA gets a notification each time the aircraft is preflighted to shutdown at the arriving airport/gate. Any alert the flight deck gets, FAA gets in real time. But yes it’s sounds like a good program and I’m sure followed very closely. The Engines are followed by GE for any issues with them.
Do airlines really want to give the impression they're trying to dodge safety requirements put in place as a result of the previous MAX crashes?
If it saves them a dollar then yes. This is the sad state of the business.
They aren’t dodging safety requirements. Those requirements made no sense. They probably weren’t ever intended to apply to the MAX, but the completion of the -7 and -10 variants took longer than anticipated.
Boeing are going to have to get as many of these 737s out the factory to take up the slack on the flies in the ointment projects of the 777 and 787,
When can we expect to see “How To Start An Airline. Part 6”?
I have no inside info of course but it seems to me that airlines that are ordering the 10 are confident congress is going to give the waiver. I mean why would Delta order the plane if it wasn't very confident it would receive the plane?
It would be cool if Boeing did a 737max cargo plane
MAX 10 , LINE 3 !...
Haven't flown on a 737 in ages. 321s everywhere
Pretty sure you live in that other part of the world.
the B787 is the only new Boeing plane for the last 30 years....Until 2019, the US plane maker was leading the market. But they took a very bad strategic decision in a panic move by launching the B737MAX. Today, Airbus has over 6000 in backlog while Boeing has around 3700 in backlog. Moreover, on each delivered plane (not only A320/321) Airbus is making money. Boeing not really....
Boeing has over 4,200 in backlog. And that's with their accounting rule minus several hundred orders they think won't be delivered, but "possibly" still could be in the future.
Wow I'm early
9:15 What's A Max 8 200?
It’s a 200 seat version of the Max 8
Made specifically for Ryan Air and other low cost carriers
@@a_goblue2023 interesting . Had no idea. Thanks for the education.
Has extra emergency exit doors over the wings as well. Kind of easy to spot them from a distance.
This aircraft is amazing!!!! I prefer it over the a320neo family
May i ask why is it?
I too
Good one. A320NEO all day
I agree. You're going to piss off all the Airbus fan boys lol
@@amazedtenthousand4873 ofcourse.. airbus fanboys don't seem to understand what 'opinions of other people' means. I prefer the 737 family over a320 all day!! 737>a320
O.o
I still stand with all the Boeing modeled aircraft! I’m especially hoping that Boeing is able to reassure the world that the aircraft they manufacture that they are safe and the airlines will love them because of cost savings via fuel reduction etc. To those nay-sayers out there that say they won’t fly in a Boeing jet, then more power to you, enjoy your walk, however I’m not going to even think twice about it!
Boeing has a long way to go to reestablish itself as the gold standard of the industry. The situation around the MAX 10 doesn’t fill me with much confidence that all parties involved learnt from the 20-month grounding, $20 billion in financial damage and reputational damage, which is priceless. They should use their energy to certify the MAX 10 properly instead of using it to get a waiver for its certification. All that political bs aside, I love the 737 MAX, say all you want about the company behind it, but I’ve always said the MAX is a great aircraft done a massive disservice by its own designers. I’m looking forward to flying on it again, since it has been flying relatively trouble-free since late 2020.
The EICAS requirement was never directed to the 737 max and the FAA expected Boeing to have certified all its models before 2023.
Does it make sense to treat the Max 10 any different from the Max8 and Max9 , that have already been certified and share the exact same cockpit?
Boeing can’t take 20 bil more in debt - if they do - there will be no more boeing. Don’t think any of top managers will be alive if such thing happens
I admire Boeing....and appreciate how they fought and are fighting through what seems to be their most challenging period in the company's existence. Well done Boeing, wishing you only success in the future especially with the Max 7, Max 10 and B777X
To be clear, Boeing messed up in the first place.
Is this channel financed by Boeing?
Hello Wu Lang, we are not. We are an independent news source. ✈️
If the MAX 7 and 10 are not fit to be certified they SHOULDN'T be!
Have they not learned anything from the way they handled the initial certification process and the resulting launch of a plane that, with the training and manuals the crew got handed to them, wasn't fit to fly?
Hiding a security crucial system from the crew that is operating the plane is such a stupid idea, and asking for a waver for certification is exactly as stupid.
No no, you have the wrong understanding. The side Airlines and Boeing are on, is that adding a new "safety feature" to the MAX will actually be taking a step backwards, possibly causing more distractions that pilots will have to become custom to with new training, that they don't already need on current MAX aircraft, which is flying perfectly fine since the ungrounding.
They are fit to be certified. The problem was just a change demanded by Congress which made no technical sense. Congress ought to stay out of aircraft design, in my opinion. It is safer that all variants of a type work in the same way.
Boeing will be fine.
i think this is the first 737 video i've seen from this channel where they didnt mention the 320 has overtaken it with orders. amazing, must have been hard for this airbus channel to leave that out
The arogance of Boeing is breath taking. These faulty planes killed peoples love ones, which they seem to have forgotten.
Arrogance? Their job is to sell planes. The issues have been fixed, move on. Don’t hold grudges.
@@KanyeTheGayFish69 Easier said then done
The planes were doomed before they even added the MCAS systems, to be more fuel efficient a bigger engine is needed and since the plane was designed to be low to the ground, they had to raise the new engine, which has a side effect - having the tendency to stall if the plane takes off, so they wanted to prevent this by designing the MCAS system, which backfired
Except the planes aren't faulty. You're speaking past tense.
Boeing wanted the MAX to be safe by installing the MCAS system. But the system didn’t work
I'm early
Following very painful past 2.5 years, Boeing can begin to breathe comfortably again. Oh, and I loved seeing the Union Jack placed firmly and positively in the video. Only if more creators did the same. Show a little pride in our nation.
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An inherently unsafe plane with clipons to make it acceptable to regulators.
Come on lmaooooo
if they give the MAX 7 and 10 certification without that updated cockpit we’re basically saying “We haven’t learnt anything from the crashes”
That's not even close to being comparable. Secondly: Boeing and the FAA can't risk another plane going down due to a design flaw. It would destroy Boeing and its 106 year history. The damage to the FAA would be immense as well. The update has nothing to do with safety.
@@ejkk9513
you and I know that I’m not talking about MCAS here. That one is a one-and-done issue already. It’s been solved, whatever.
The system we are talking about right now is EICAS (Engine Indicating and Crew Alerting system). To my knowledge, this is only not on the MAX 10 and all other 737 Max variants have it.
You saying “this update has nothing to do with safety” is absolutely disingenuous considering:
1. boeing’s background of self certifying themselves
2. the circumstances in which th cockpit update is even taking place (read up more on why the rules surrounding EICAS was implemented)
Edit: My mistake, none of the 737 variants have it at the moment. My argument still stands though.
@@tiramisu7544 no 737s have EICAS. That includes the 737NG series, one of the safest families of all time.
@@tiramisu7544 no Boeing 737 ever made has the system including the current max jets flying. The law would require any jet after 2022 have the system and it was designed to give Boeing the time to get the max aircrafts in service before then; however due to the 787 issues it seems they have had some delays and are requesting or hoping that congress gives them a waiver to extend the certification deadline by X amount of months. Adding the system to one Max variant would cause confusion and more chaos among airlines and their pilots and also defeats the purpose of cockpit commonality most likely see airlines lose interest in the variant.
@@frankiexv4533
Thanks for the information.
Well, I’ll just say one thing: when uou say “the law was designed to give Boeing the time to sort out the MAX and 787 issues” therein lies the problem, the laws are designed to be in Boeing’s favour yet they still can’t achieve the desired results.
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