@@pseoulk It still does. Test in demo, it deals the "shared" damage to the enemy unit you cast on, so it makes them take an extra 35% as magical damage on top of potentially sharing with enemies.
You asked once what what the use of spirit breaker shard. I found one, you can use it when you push a tower to catch some skills. If a LC uses duel on a close ally, it would use it on me instead.
Disagree with Shadow demon , cuz SD now pretty solid with razor viper bloodstone to break their passive. Undispellable, piercing bkb, massive slows, 3 charges with aghs. The shards makes your team auto purge for few seconds , means your team cannot be hexed, silencer, debuffs.
Venge aghanims won me so many pub games as a 4/5 but maybe because people just aren't expecting to play around it. The first enemy that shows up on their screen after their carry just got swapped back they go "kill it press R on the venge" and then boom 2nd swap back, 2 cores dead.
That highly depends on the bracket you consider such a position and build. Going for it under 4,000 rating - strong. Over it and you will be punished for not supporting your team before the Aghanim's power kicks in. The higher you go the less free gold there is around the map for non-core positions as well. Expect to get rushed Aghanim between 20-25 minute of the game if we talk about 5,500+ rating bracket as position 4 Venge, and that's after 2,000 gold worth of items before that (having net worth of 6,000 gold for your Scepter to be bought).
@@dtibvgz8441 Exactly why I dare spam only on low brackets (Archon 4). The cores here share a single brain cell and that is rush BkB without considering stuff like Linkens or Lotus Orb which hard counters venge
@@bucket321 In different bracket different stuff have changing level of impact. I coach a lot of guys in various brackets and when watching Jenkins or BSJ videos on such topics - they always talk from the viewpoint of their own games and bracket. Game is vastly different in higher bracket in comparison to lower. The understanding of the game and complexity of the hero is heavily skewered. Just talked with a friend of mine about this video and commented that for his bracket (3,000 rating) - I would prefer having bad Hoodwink or Willow in my team than bad Rubic, Nyx or Clock (all of same tier). As the second group of heroes have higher complexity and it's harder to pull off their potential where the first group juts auto-click few spells and will do 'something positive'.
I've been playing SD 4 lately. If your pos 3 is self sufficient you can stack and clear 4-5 ancient stacks pretty early (as early as lvl 3 with enough regen). Fast aghs is insane. That said this is SUUPER gimicky and has a lot of counters. And before you say it only works in low mmr, I've done it in 5,6,7k brackets.
Exactly what I was saying about grim. Hero relies on team to actually play with grim properly. its the same as playing IO. hero does nothing if your team isn't going to play with the hero properly.
While probably better suited as a 5, Warlock with upheaval now dealing damage and the lvl 10 and 15 talents that go with it is so strong. Drums and Solar Crest make the golem rip faces off.
Purge did a video about Shadow Demon's new skill, it's pretty strong tbh. Shadow Demon as a whole is someone you'd mostly want to duo or group queue with, but Disseminate makes him much stronger in teamfights. Also I've seen people trying out QOP 4, which seems interesting. High mobility, strong push, good single-target damage. Not sure how you'd rate it compared to like Shaman or someone with more disable, but it's a thing.
As a mainly qop 4 player(still a crusader though), i can confirm it is amazing u are amazing at laning, u hit the support or carry with ur lvl 2 q, deal huge dmg, slow and then blink out. i rush urn on this thing and max q and w as its pretty mush a kill on squishy heroes . buy brown boots into a vessel into shard, then buy lotus or force depending on the game. with a deep ward in enemy jungle, u can solo the carry with ur ult and q + urn. u push incredibly fast with shard and e, guarntee killing the range and leaving everything into 1 or 2 hit range. Pushback on scream along with slow makes it impossible to run, and u can kite amazingly in fights aith blink. plus its the mist mobile hero in the game after np or puck. Having no stun does hurt so u may want to consider rod or euls if ur team doesnt have stuns
you are absolutely right about riki, spamming him myself since friday actually just by coincidence. the shard indeed is broken, everytime you kill someone it is about to be ready for the next one with octa, also the 15 talent with smoke cd should atleast be lvl 20 or reduced by half, having an AOE ground silence 75% missrate with only 1 second cooldown on lvl 15 is just busted. it literally forces the enemy carry to rush a mkb or bkb if your team has lockdown all because you as a pos 4 hit lvl 15. if the enemies dont have big saves/heals and your team isnt griefing its an autowin.
You two should pick riki when i am supporting. I always harass riki pos 4 to oblivion and his team say he is useless. Riki is either a win or strong lose
@@notyourdad361 if you go a harass pos 5 thats actually the best that can happen to pos 4 riki before lvl 4, you dont have the best dmg but you do have 3 escapes at lvl 2 on. so if you want to harass me as riki 4 do it, all i would do is let it happen and watch my pos 3 freefarm until we get the dmg to kill ez which ist mostly lvl 4/5. the only problems you might have as riki 4 are against big lanewinners like ench or cheeesestrats like sven 5. thats about it, rest is easy manageable with this beast of a support :)
Nyx is super fun in pubs RN because of how versatile he is. They placing sentries everywhere? buy blink, blink next to them, nothing personal kid combo. Need an escape plan/break? run in under your ult/silvers, nothing personal kid combo, then use the one you didn't open with to escape. Hell, you can buy meme hammer and threaten towers with it if you don't have a proper carry! The only downside to Nyx is that his base damage is so ass it's hard to get farm done, but you make up for it by being able to ult and go destroy their squishy INT heroes.
alchemist is S tier sup free no slot aganim with stats to core at 20-25 min. It's flips games. Plus -armor(+for team at15) aoe stan with little cd. And super tanky with ult which dispell shit
Magnus pos 4 is a shit tier pos 4. He saps your XP while contributing nothing to your lane, he afk farms his aether lense + blink until 25 minutes, then he misses his skewer combo and ends up finally getting a good RP, only to skewer it away from the enigma blackhole
Willow is actually the strongest support out of all those you put in A tier. Literally a "do everything" hero, has a million different effective builds, strongest single target magic damage in game, can go core lategame or in case of lane domination, and is an AoE CC monster. I have no idea why they keep buffing her support side so much.
the only issue with her is she doesnt have a reliable stun, if your pos 5 is someone with no stun and you pick willow then your supports have no (reliable) stuns. This also make her not very good at ganking and roaming, especially early on, unlike a tusk/clock/rubick/tiny who have 1 or more disables and are very good at roaming
I think most of you didn't notice it but SD W is good because even the target takes 35% more dmg... It's like his very old W which he could put on someone and he would take more dmg but instead everyone else will take that bonus dmg too! and also using it on a tanky hero(For example pudge with flesh heap on) won't reduce the dmg from W... you can have 200 armor and u and ur ally will take same amount dmg from SD W as they would take if it was on a target with 0 armor... I had lots of success with the hero because it counters so many broken meta heros with his ult and shard like he can completely make cm QW and treant ult useless with his shard... and after u get your aghs It's just broken! u break and nullify every poor sup you see and those slarks monkeys life stealers etc... and also disruption so good vs naga because u can get one of her illusions then combine it with ur ult and kill a poor guy... not to mention his shard dispells net and orchid from naga aswell and his break kills razor
What about Dazzle? Isn't he kinda good pos-4 due to high damage from and nice punishing potential from E ("Oh, mister enemy melee carry you dare to farm? What about three billion damage to the face?") which leads to good laning and pretty good teamfight potential as well because of his crest, constant minusarmor and insane shard? I mean, obviously he is mainly pos-5 but I can see him being viable as hard support as well
The three billion damage to the face is so damn relatable. I played once against an Axe who ate my Q and normals at lvl 1. He underestimated it, and I got a very easy first blood.
Tower position makes him worse than it is as a 5.When you're 4 the lane equilibrium used to be in front of enemy tower, then if u try to Q them they just runaway into the tower,as a 5 Dazzle is harder to enemy runaway from u cuz his tower its very far from the creepwave.Also he is one of the worst supports ganking lanes,and that is a very gamechanging aspect of pos 4 gameplay.
@@Maccelerate he kills creeps with poison touch and heal, or ult. He farming fast. he even can farm anceints since lvl 5-7. check by urself. If u pick him as 5 and enemies picked lich + winranger = u are fucked. heal us useless (50 hp rofl)
What about dark seer I so much play him as 4 and i get flamed when also i get flamed when playing him as 3 because others thinks he is not a proper offlaner. What do you think Jenkins should he be played as 4 or not
Can someone like breakdown whether or not my thinking is wrong here but... Bounty Hunter aghs is it good because it does Jinhada damage or because it steals gold? The damage I can sorta get but seems pretty greedy and has a slow build up in most games I see him in and the gold steal? I swear when I look at most BH games post match they've attained like 1k maybe 2.5k gold tops. So it seems weak compared to just going a bunch of utility items that actually helps your team early and I feel alot stronger when I don't go aghs on BH personally.
@@Dom-bn1ru I can get that but it's always recommended on POS 4 BH builds as a first item pick-up and personally I don't think BH should be played as a core hero 9 times out of 10
People are sleeping on pos4 death prophet. Give her brown boots and an urn with a 1 1 3 1 build at lvl 6 and she can run around the map bullying everyone.
when i started to play, i always wanted to be pro at pudge, viper, sniper or sven. Now I'm a shadow shaman pos 4 that harrases laning phase and buys aghanims shard.
yeah im also curious, is this because gyro is a good pos 1? or he just legit forget about him? Personally, i have never seen gyro in pos 1 for quite a while. Even in if they play pos 2, the build is similar. Veil into shard.
shadow demon's 2nd skill is the fking best clock with blink and forcestaff is also fking good i pick those items against slarks \ miranas \ zeus \ leapers
Nice video. But what about pos 4 Viper, OD, Veno, Jakiro, Ogre, Dazzle etc. etc.? Problem is you can play 75 percent of all heroes as 4 if the matchup is right
titan is piece of shit, this hero have so much potential to be great support, but we have what we have- he is rightclick bot. They need to rework him for good. Spirit cooldown is to big for u to cast more than 1 stomp so basicly ur stomp is 23 sec cd, its a meme.
Pa got like 0.2 agi nerf and a -2 to her base dmg and went from like 50% to 44% winrate. Yeah it matters, especially for her as she needs to win or go even in lane or it's impossible to get creeps kills
A lot of any win-rate changes would be related to meta shift, not only to specific direct buffs and nerfs on heroes. Just as an example - early game pushing heroes who does not scale are not good when the changes to early game pushes completely deny their power spike. Even if they receive a buff or two. Another thing is 'where the hero was strong'. Typically - heroes who are strong early in the game receiving a base buff or nerf won't be as impactful as a weak early game hero receiving that. Late-game heroes (Anti Mage as example) being nerfed in the early game can easily lead to slower growth, while buff can mean he can snow-ball much faster and instantly skyrocket his win-rate.
@@rastafari2k3 I know. Letters after patch changes usually imply bug fixes or small corrections. But the point is still valid. Keep in mind sample size also can change the outcome and short-term are not as telling as a big number of games played. Still, we both just put some thoughts on 'what affects' win-rate and hero success, the reasons do not contradict each other, rather amplify.
I totally disagree about grimstroke, it is still a hero that can easily kill heros in early game solo and be a prominent disabler up to late game even after fixes and him getting buffed
gs is just a trash hero that does nothing at laning stage. his q or pushing lane or pretty hard to use. once I played with my friend and he said that lane could be easier if he could be alone
before qop gets lvl 2 poison she not really that strong on laning stage. Exchanging hits with the support even with your poison dmg that heals you its still not easy to win the exchange. I say if you are winning lane it feels good but on mediocre and losing lane it feels so bad haha. Feels like she just cant out harass the aggressive supports nor the carry. I get what you mean though all those thing you mention is why I use it as support but she really feels lacking on laning stage most of the time unless its an easy lane.
I'm not seeing Gyro, Oracle or WW here. I main Oracle and having gold as a pos 4 means holy locket and early access to mekansm. This translates to imba tf advantage.
If u main WW, u will know she's very weak this patch. So many nerfs and it doesn't feel great to play against ranged meta heroes such as drow sniper viper and razor just to name a few
the best 4 positions in 7.32d are:
position 2
position 3
position 4
position 5
where's missionary?
Shadow Demon actually combos well with Huskar. Huskar's huge self damage also disperses to enemies.
Fucking awesome. Nice tip
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Yeah I've been loving this combo! The damage is really impressive
Does the self damage from just armlet also combo with it?
@@Mirrale Nope, that's HP removal IIRC so doesn't affect it unfortunately.
I would love to see a list for every pos on every patch
Shadow Demon's W is a damage amplifier. It deals the extra damage to the unit you cast it on if it's an enemy.
not anymore?
@@pseoulk It still does. Test in demo, it deals the "shared" damage to the enemy unit you cast on, so it makes them take an extra 35% as magical damage on top of potentially sharing with enemies.
You asked once what what the use of spirit breaker shard. I found one, you can use it when you push a tower to catch some skills. If a LC uses duel on a close ally, it would use it on me instead.
Thats what the ability is supposed to do
Disagree with Shadow demon , cuz SD now pretty solid with razor viper bloodstone to break their passive. Undispellable, piercing bkb, massive slows, 3 charges with aghs. The shards makes your team auto purge for few seconds , means your team cannot be hexed, silencer, debuffs.
The ginger she-devil: *gets a +2 base damage buff
Slacks: I sense a great disturbance in the force
Venge aghanims won me so many pub games as a 4/5 but maybe because people just aren't expecting to play around it. The first enemy that shows up on their screen after their carry just got swapped back they go "kill it press R on the venge" and then boom 2nd swap back, 2 cores dead.
That highly depends on the bracket you consider such a position and build. Going for it under 4,000 rating - strong. Over it and you will be punished for not supporting your team before the Aghanim's power kicks in. The higher you go the less free gold there is around the map for non-core positions as well. Expect to get rushed Aghanim between 20-25 minute of the game if we talk about 5,500+ rating bracket as position 4 Venge, and that's after 2,000 gold worth of items before that (having net worth of 6,000 gold for your Scepter to be bought).
@@dtibvgz8441 Exactly why I dare spam only on low brackets (Archon 4). The cores here share a single brain cell and that is rush BkB without considering stuff like Linkens or Lotus Orb which hard counters venge
@@bucket321 In different bracket different stuff have changing level of impact. I coach a lot of guys in various brackets and when watching Jenkins or BSJ videos on such topics - they always talk from the viewpoint of their own games and bracket. Game is vastly different in higher bracket in comparison to lower. The understanding of the game and complexity of the hero is heavily skewered.
Just talked with a friend of mine about this video and commented that for his bracket (3,000 rating) - I would prefer having bad Hoodwink or Willow in my team than bad Rubic, Nyx or Clock (all of same tier). As the second group of heroes have higher complexity and it's harder to pull off their potential where the first group juts auto-click few spells and will do 'something positive'.
I've been playing SD 4 lately. If your pos 3 is self sufficient you can stack and clear 4-5 ancient stacks pretty early (as early as lvl 3 with enough regen). Fast aghs is insane. That said this is SUUPER gimicky and has a lot of counters.
And before you say it only works in low mmr, I've done it in 5,6,7k brackets.
After watching the offlane video and this one, myself and the other 7 elder titan players are fuming
Exactly what I was saying about grim. Hero relies on team to actually play with grim properly. its the same as playing IO. hero does nothing if your team isn't going to play with the hero properly.
While probably better suited as a 5, Warlock with upheaval now dealing damage and the lvl 10 and 15 talents that go with it is so strong. Drums and Solar Crest make the golem rip faces off.
Purge did a video about Shadow Demon's new skill, it's pretty strong tbh. Shadow Demon as a whole is someone you'd mostly want to duo or group queue with, but Disseminate makes him much stronger in teamfights.
Also I've seen people trying out QOP 4, which seems interesting. High mobility, strong push, good single-target damage. Not sure how you'd rate it compared to like Shaman or someone with more disable, but it's a thing.
As a mainly qop 4 player(still a crusader though), i can confirm it is amazing
u are amazing at laning, u hit the support or carry with ur lvl 2 q, deal huge dmg, slow and then blink out. i rush urn on this thing and max q and w as its pretty mush a kill on squishy heroes . buy brown boots into a vessel into shard, then buy lotus or force depending on the game. with a deep ward in enemy jungle, u can solo the carry with ur ult and q + urn. u push incredibly fast with shard and e, guarntee killing the range and leaving everything into 1 or 2 hit range. Pushback on scream along with slow makes it impossible to run, and u can kite amazingly in fights aith blink. plus its the mist mobile hero in the game after np or puck.
Having no stun does hurt so u may want to consider rod or euls if ur team doesnt have stuns
you are absolutely right about riki, spamming him myself since friday actually just by coincidence. the shard indeed is broken, everytime you kill someone it is about to be ready for the next one with octa, also the 15 talent with smoke cd should atleast be lvl 20 or reduced by half, having an AOE ground silence 75% missrate with only 1 second cooldown on lvl 15 is just busted. it literally forces the enemy carry to rush a mkb or bkb if your team has lockdown all because you as a pos 4 hit lvl 15. if the enemies dont have big saves/heals and your team isnt griefing its an autowin.
7 winstreak with riki, bonkers pos 4. Smoke is such a good team fight disruptor ,that cd talent is insane.
You two should pick riki when i am supporting. I always harass riki pos 4 to oblivion and his team say he is useless. Riki is either a win or strong lose
@@notyourdad361 if you go a harass pos 5 thats actually the best that can happen to pos 4 riki before lvl 4, you dont have the best dmg but you do have 3 escapes at lvl 2 on. so if you want to harass me as riki 4 do it, all i would do is let it happen and watch my pos 3 freefarm until we get the dmg to kill ez which ist mostly lvl 4/5. the only problems you might have as riki 4 are against big lanewinners like ench or cheeesestrats like sven 5. thats about it, rest is easy manageable with this beast of a support :)
On techies I would also remark that he's one of the highest nukes in lane. The slow on the sticky bomb also makes your trades very good.
So I saw you left out Venomancer, can I ask why? I think Veno is a solid A tier Pos4 hero
same thought
@@hranko3143 it’s often pretty greify to many offlabers
Nyx is super fun in pubs RN because of how versatile he is. They placing sentries everywhere? buy blink, blink next to them, nothing personal kid combo. Need an escape plan/break? run in under your ult/silvers, nothing personal kid combo, then use the one you didn't open with to escape. Hell, you can buy meme hammer and threaten towers with it if you don't have a proper carry! The only downside to Nyx is that his base damage is so ass it's hard to get farm done, but you make up for it by being able to ult and go destroy their squishy INT heroes.
Gyro pos 4 and roam with veil of discord have worked for me
I'm proud of my man clockwork, been playing him since for ever.
alchemist is S tier sup free no slot aganim with stats to core at 20-25 min. It's flips games. Plus -armor(+for team at15) aoe stan with little cd. And super tanky with ult which dispell shit
I like using gyro as pos 4. his shard is broken. specially on low levels
Shard is ridiculous indeed. Easy to kill people 100-0 if they run from the homing missile.
Magnus pos 4 is a shit tier pos 4. He saps your XP while contributing nothing to your lane, he afk farms his aether lense + blink until 25 minutes, then he misses his skewer combo and ends up finally getting a good RP, only to skewer it away from the enigma blackhole
Remember when riki with his talent, he didnt come out when he attack? Now he is support now 😂
I know you were using two Shukuchi charges as an example, but if weaver got that, it would be huge.
...it's a level 25 talent
Nigga u on drugs?
@Samuel Elliott Yeah, Imagine 3 charges then at lv 25
@swarmling oh I see lol
Venom pos 4 is very strong with recent buffs yet i dont even see him here
He's probably not strong in Jenkins 's bracket
Willow is actually the strongest support out of all those you put in A tier. Literally a "do everything" hero, has a million different effective builds, strongest single target magic damage in game, can go core lategame or in case of lane domination, and is an AoE CC monster. I have no idea why they keep buffing her support side so much.
the only issue with her is she doesnt have a reliable stun, if your pos 5 is someone with no stun and you pick willow then your supports have no (reliable) stuns. This also make her not very good at ganking and roaming, especially early on, unlike a tusk/clock/rubick/tiny who have 1 or more disables and are very good at roaming
I think most of you didn't notice it but SD W is good because even the target takes 35% more dmg... It's like his very old W which he could put on someone and he would take more dmg but instead everyone else will take that bonus dmg too! and also using it on a tanky hero(For example pudge with flesh heap on) won't reduce the dmg from W... you can have 200 armor and u and ur ally will take same amount dmg from SD W as they would take if it was on a target with 0 armor... I had lots of success with the hero because it counters so many broken meta heros with his ult and shard like he can completely make cm QW and treant ult useless with his shard... and after u get your aghs It's just broken! u break and nullify every poor sup you see and those slarks monkeys life stealers etc... and also disruption so good vs naga because u can get one of her illusions then combine it with ur ult and kill a poor guy... not to mention his shard dispells net and orchid from naga aswell and his break kills razor
Holy fuck Tiny has legit been S tier hero for like five thousand years at this point, are they ever going to touch him?
shadow demon's w is like putting a specter's dispersion on anyone
I think this is the most accurate description
Yeah, without the dmg reduction. But it can also work as a dmg amp on a single enemy
I'm absolute ass at Shadow Demon but his w I like
Shadow Demon 2nd skill is a good combo with Huskar life break skill. It is legit.
Where's Venge?
Pos 5, bruh
Pos 1, bruh
off, bruh
Courier, bruh
Ward, bruh
What about Dazzle? Isn't he kinda good pos-4 due to high damage from and nice punishing potential from E ("Oh, mister enemy melee carry you dare to farm? What about three billion damage to the face?") which leads to good laning and pretty good teamfight potential as well because of his crest, constant minusarmor and insane shard? I mean, obviously he is mainly pos-5 but I can see him being viable as hard support as well
He is better as a 5, doesn't do enough with farm compared to 4 heroes like Rubick, Shadow Shaman, or Riki.
The three billion damage to the face is so damn relatable. I played once against an Axe who ate my Q and normals at lvl 1. He underestimated it, and I got a very easy first blood.
Tower position makes him worse than it is as a 5.When you're 4 the lane equilibrium used to be in front of enemy tower, then if u try to Q them they just runaway into the tower,as a 5 Dazzle is harder to enemy runaway from u cuz his tower its very far from the creepwave.Also he is one of the worst supports ganking lanes,and that is a very gamechanging aspect of pos 4 gameplay.
@@Maccelerate he kills creeps with poison touch and heal, or ult.
He farming fast. he even can farm anceints since lvl 5-7.
check by urself.
If u pick him as 5 and enemies picked lich + winranger = u are fucked.
heal us useless (50 hp rofl)
It weird how lowranks are always so scared of Dazzle...
offlane 732 d tierlist pleaseee
Thanks for the shoutout to rd2l!
What about dark seer
I so much play him as 4 and i get flamed when also i get flamed when playing him as 3 because others thinks he is not a proper offlaner. What do you think Jenkins should he be played as 4 or not
Can someone like breakdown whether or not my thinking is wrong here but... Bounty Hunter aghs is it good because it does Jinhada damage or because it steals gold? The damage I can sorta get but seems pretty greedy and has a slow build up in most games I see him in and the gold steal? I swear when I look at most BH games post match they've attained like 1k maybe 2.5k gold tops. So it seems weak compared to just going a bunch of utility items that actually helps your team early and I feel alot stronger when I don't go aghs on BH personally.
Aghs is a must item for core BH
@@Dom-bn1ru I can get that but it's always recommended on POS 4 BH builds as a first item pick-up and personally I don't think BH should be played as a core hero 9 times out of 10
It dosent matter how much you support your cores, cause after 20-30 mins their internet or computer will stop working and they will disconnect.
Did see Earth Spirit in this list. Very respectable
People are sleeping on pos4 death prophet. Give her brown boots and an urn with a 1 1 3 1 build at lvl 6 and she can run around the map bullying everyone.
What about primal beast 4? Yay or nay?
when i started to play, i always wanted to be pro at pudge, viper, sniper or sven. Now I'm a shadow shaman pos 4 that harrases laning phase and buys aghanims shard.
The new SD ability is great with veil, especially if you have a big target magic spell like finger/laguna etc
The hero that im spamming and currently with 90% winrate in position 4 is not even in the list. (Gyro with veil and shard) 😐 Anyway, great content.
yeah im also curious, is this because gyro is a good pos 1? or he just legit forget about him? Personally, i have never seen gyro in pos 1 for quite a while. Even in if they play pos 2, the build is similar. Veil into shard.
shadow demon's 2nd skill is the fking best
clock with blink and forcestaff is also fking good
i pick those items against slarks \ miranas \ zeus \ leapers
What about gyro 4? U do crazy damage with veil + shard
5:22 Jenkins letting that HoN DNA slip out for a sec
lol i didnt notice that cus its still sounds normal to me
@@kaelinvoker8331 omg me too xd
i dont get it
Shadow Demon pos 4 with a lategame pos 1 Spectre stomps noobs hard.
Nice video. But what about pos 4 Viper, OD, Veno, Jakiro, Ogre, Dazzle etc. etc.? Problem is you can play 75 percent of all heroes as 4 if the matchup is right
Thank you again sooo much, I'm stuck in this 1400 mmr for 2 month now 🤧, maybe with ur help i can advance now 👍🥀
Finally pos 4 video, thank you.
I hope null and bracer get a change. They don't feel great.
Bracer is p good IMO, but I never build null
@@avocadoarmadillo7031 it's ok. But it needs an update of some sort.
Spamming Dawn all 5 positions, but I think pos 4 is the sweet spot with a ranged 3.
I trink treant is slept on as a pos 4 He seems insane with shard into blink i saw some pro player named katomi from entity trying IT out
If someone told me that MK was a decent p4... damn!..
I'm so happy I'm not the only one anymore
1:50 why is Jenkins so funny
Octarine riki smoke cd is lower than the cloud timing insane hero
thanks Jankins, appreciate.
I didnt really think about how hard towers are to kill, but I feel like you actually want catapults to take towers over other times even up to t3
100%. They’re worth tanking some tower hits if it means you’ll be able to keep the catapult alive until the next creep wave arrives
What about elder titan and gyro?
I'm not so sure about this specific patch but a patch or 2 before getting shard on gyro was so good.
Te Post TI10 Nerf killed ET.As a 1v2 lane dominator Undying is better, and as a scouter AA, Zeus and Venomancer are better.
titan is piece of shit, this hero have so much potential to be great support, but we have what we have- he is rightclick bot.
They need to rework him for good.
Spirit cooldown is to big for u to cast more than 1 stomp so basicly ur stomp is 23 sec cd, its a meme.
@@benjamingeorge8241 actually getting gyro shard has never been a thing till this patch. esp on supps its strong
@@9faded5 I prolly used the wrong word then. What I meant was I'm not so sure about 7.32d but it was good in 7.32c and maybe even before that.
jenkins you pook like a beautiful princess with that hair
Bruh Jenkins I never comment on youtube but riki 4 is insane, ty for showing me the true cancer
pop disseminate on the enemy your carry is focusing and watch the free dmg padding go up
Pa got like 0.2 agi nerf and a -2 to her base dmg and went from like 50% to 44% winrate. Yeah it matters, especially for her as she needs to win or go even in lane or it's impossible to get creeps kills
A lot of any win-rate changes would be related to meta shift, not only to specific direct buffs and nerfs on heroes.
Just as an example - early game pushing heroes who does not scale are not good when the changes to early game pushes completely deny their power spike. Even if they receive a buff or two.
Another thing is 'where the hero was strong'. Typically - heroes who are strong early in the game receiving a base buff or nerf won't be as impactful as a weak early game hero receiving that. Late-game heroes (Anti Mage as example) being nerfed in the early game can easily lead to slower growth, while buff can mean he can snow-ball much faster and instantly skyrocket his win-rate.
@@dtibvgz8441 it was one patch to the next in this specific case. from 7.32 to 7.32 b a few days later
@@rastafari2k3 I know. Letters after patch changes usually imply bug fixes or small corrections. But the point is still valid.
Keep in mind sample size also can change the outcome and short-term are not as telling as a big number of games played.
Still, we both just put some thoughts on 'what affects' win-rate and hero success, the reasons do not contradict each other, rather amplify.
I totally disagree about grimstroke, it is still a hero that can easily kill heros in early game solo and be a prominent disabler up to late game even after fixes and him getting buffed
gs is just a trash hero that does nothing at laning stage. his q or pushing lane or pretty hard to use. once I played with my friend and he said that lane could be easier if he could be alone
Qop Pos4 is S tier rn
super strong in laning phase,
can rotate very fast
disable with shard, burst with her ult
hard to kill
before qop gets lvl 2 poison she not really that strong on laning stage. Exchanging hits with the support even with your poison dmg that heals you its still not easy to win the exchange. I say if you are winning lane it feels good but on mediocre and losing lane it feels so bad haha. Feels like she just cant out harass the aggressive supports nor the carry. I get what you mean though all those thing you mention is why I use it as support but she really feels lacking on laning stage most of the time unless its an easy lane.
Get blink on level 1, qop have higher base dmg and good range so it is better than poison at level 1 u can win with positioning
Wha... I was expecting mah boy Gyro in S tier... but he never came!
WHERE'S THE GYRO S, JENKINS?! :D
Enchantress new shard is just so bad, she'd be a tier above if it wasn't completely useless except against two heroes in the game.
Can someone explain me how skywrath and shadow demon has the same qualifications while sd has more utility to bring to table is in different tiers
GIVE MORE TIERLIST I SAY! THIS IS THE BOMB ESPECIALLY THAT JUST GOT BACK BECAUSE OF THE FREE ARCANA hahaha
@Jenkins As a veno main Im so sad you didnt even include him here :(
You totally forgot about the Gyrocopter on this list
Love these.
Who is Bruno?
Shadow demon kinda good especially when your team has self damage
where is Gyro dude ? Gyro pos 4 is kind of sick atm, that shard if bought early is insane.
try SD disperce, vail, then lc Q,, he can oneshot the team... plus if warloc chains them.. its rampage every minute
Hey, right on!
can weaver be played as a carry? i know it was his main position way before, but how about now?
what about OMNIKINGHT? He's underrated
A pudge player putting pudge in shit tier so it wont get nerfed, i see you Jenkins
my man rubick always solid
I'm not seeing Gyro, Oracle or WW here. I main Oracle and having gold as a pos 4 means holy locket and early access to mekansm. This translates to imba tf advantage.
If u main WW, u will know she's very weak this patch. So many nerfs and it doesn't feel great to play against ranged meta heroes such as drow sniper viper and razor just to name a few
can you do another offlane list
disseminate and life break works well
Where is gyro?
how about pos 5 tier list?
I'm still gonna pick Terrorblade though
Next, do a POS 2 tier list.
Cant believe no pos4 Kunkka
Gyro 4 is actually legit
no invoker (quas wex) ?
Where is Veno, Venge or Pugna?
Techies should be SS tier because there's whole 3 heroes instead of just 1
got 12 winstreak on Earth Spirit as 4, don't hurt ma boi !
so Lina can't play pos 4 anymore or?
what, no veno
Where's Venomanser?
Where’s my boy lich?
Lich for Jenkins probably isn't an S-Tier 5 that's so good you can flex him into a 4. He specified that was the case for Silencer, treant, and CM
Is batrider and disrupter not supports?
batrider is not support
Bat is 2 or 3. Disruptor is 5
no WD?