I think it would be peotic if it fails. Fandoms ruined DC but (not alone) DC corporate corruption and bad decision making was another huge problem. Then, the constant putting DC in competition with Marvel's fully formed cinematic universe 10 yrs ahead broke DC.
It truly is and Gunn is the perfect person to shepard in Superman and the DCU because he's one of the last few people in Hollywood that knows how to make a successful super hero movie and he respects the characters of DC enough to do them justice. Superman will be Gunn's magnum opus.
Half the fans are already crying cause there's underpants on the outside of the suit, well no shit lmao That's what superheroes are, it's classic, the fans have destroyed DC more than anything
If Superman fails, it will be nothing but live action Batman films till 2040 or until WBD manages to implode upon itself. It's also garunteed that in that time, Wonder Woman would still not have gotten an animated series. If the DCU flops WBD might aswell just rename DC to "Batman Studios".
The worst part is it'll be the same grounded Batman over and over with little to no involvement from the Batfamily each time creators and certain fans coming up with reasons and excuses as to why they cant be involved. The Flash and Green Lantern running jokes to their movies being awful will feel like relics and theyll probably be relegated to background characters in whatever direct to DVD cheap animated movie and the thought of Wonder Woman still not getting an animated series at that point will feel like beating a dead horse. Let's all hope that can be prevented with Gunns vision being a hit😂
You know there is something wrong when an Aquaman movie makes more than a movie with Batman Superman and Wonder Woman all together in a live action movie for the first time.
Well Wonder Woman 1 did alright, and after Wonder Woman, you logically make Aquaman. Aquaman is her best friend in the heroic community after all...he's the half and half between Flash and GL the way she's half and half between Supes and Bats. Martian Manhunter however is all the above in a literal fine kettle of fish. The problem with Wonder Woman was just the same as her comic writers. They gave her a sequel that misunderstood her after a debut that got her. She should have gotten a better story for 1984...like Cheetah's rise to being arch-enemy or something to do with a secret of Themyscira.
Also an aquaman sequel ending up not being a failed box office with more than 400 millions surpassing Black Adam "The return of Cavill hype" which can't even pass the 400 millions despite of making 192 on its first weekend.
@@bluemindstudios3256aquaman still failed it 435 on a 200 budget that is below the break even point aquaman 2 basically made shang chi money when shang chi was out in covid and starred unknown hero.
What does that mean, we haven't even seen that many evil superman. Only inspirations that also have evil Batman, and yet people are acting like that's an actual trend when it's far from it
@@mr.kuso868 Wow 4 inspirations, compared to hundreds of good Supermen. And one implied evil Superman. Injustice is the only real evil superman, you guys are so annoying sometimes
I'm gonna put my two cents in. I want this Superman movie to be about Superman with how the cast looks a lot of characters in this film. Hopefully, when the trailer drops I'll be wrong with my hypothesis
Look Superman is the literal symbol of good. That's all I want. When you see him flying overhead I wanted people to be filled with joy and be genuinely excited. I want Superman to be that guy that will listen to your problems. Sees some kid getting bullied just flies down and takes the time to listen matbe even give the kid a hug. I want a Superman who can talk someone out of suicide, letting them know that they're special and valued. I want Superman to be like your best friend, someone you can count on and just feel comfortable with. It shouldn't be thjs hard to get this right. That's what this generation needs, hope and Superman can be the embodiment of that hope.
I want a Superman who is altruistic but is prepared to make difficult and necessary decisions to protect the planet. When hostile aliens are trying to take over the planet you have to be tough and use force to protect others. And he can be a good guy but don't make him all goofy or too nice. He can smile and be kind but he doesn't have to be all giddy.
I really do want The Batman to be in the dcu. We don't need another reboot and they already ruined it by making the Robin of it Damian instead of Dick.
@@kingdingaling6516 that's good and all but at the end of the day the suits are in control. If they want they can do whatever they want and if james object to it they might get rid of him. I think you underestimate WB ability to fuck things up. I hope superman succeed because that guarantees more dc projects that aren't related to batman or harley quinn. But looking at their track record i don't think so.
I don't get why Harley is fucking popular in the first place. I liked her in the animated series and Arkham games but that's it. The first Suicide movie was ass, so I'm not sure why that popped off in her popularity
For some reason, I feel like this movie is going to succeed. This movie gives me the same feeling that the first Iron Man movie gave me. James Gunn is gonna come thru
How can this movie give you that feeling? Huh? Seriously it doesn't even exist yet! It's just pictures and blurry shots from people sneaking pics. How about till we wait till there's a TANGIBLE piece of art to actual get a feel from.
I feel like it's going to suck. The suit is trash and there are too many characters. And even the Superman related characters like Krypto I don't think need to be in this movie. Why can't it just have Superman like MOS did? That's way better.
@@TheStormbringer8751 good point. People are going off of vibes and casting announcements and which characters like Green Lantern are included. James Gunn typically does large main cast ensemble shows anymore (TSS, GOTG, Peacemaker) which isn't how *I* think of Supes but it could be outstanding.
@ nah not really Deadpool 3 was bound to be a success cuz of most of all cameos and Hugh jackman and then no way home was bound to be a success cuz of spider man alone not just the come back of Tobey and Andrew plus marvel is a franchise with good reputation unlike Dc recently So this movie is on thin ice if it don’t meet everyone’s expectations for a Superman movie it’s over.
I feel like the Superman movie will be good, but from I’ve seen Synder fans will purposely give the movie bad reviews which might affect it, but I feel like the film be & do good.
Disney is trying to cut the DCU legs before it starts by releasing fantastic four in the same month. People who say this is a barbenheimer forget that Jurassic world is releasing that same month and it's assured to make money especially in the international box office.
Was waiting for years for the FF to enter the MCU but the Mr. Fantastic casting nearly killed all my hype 😒 still hope it's rly good. With Stagg building and getting 2 out of 4 already in Superman i really hope that one of the unannounced projects of chapter 1 is for THE TERRIFICS?! 🤔🙏
I love Superman, I still don't understand how DC can't make Superman work even after Marvel literally cleared the way with Captain America. Cap showed that people do want to see hope, want to believe in characters that aren't brooding.
@@TheStormbringer8751… he never mentioned levels of strength. The comparison is more about how both are symbols of hope and uplifting spirits. Reread before typing that nonsense.
Good I love Batman his films are always enjoyable. The superhero genre needs Batman. He's the most dependable hero. When the superhero fails they always fall back on Batman.
I feel like Superman will be a good movie. However I feel Synder fans are going to be at their worst when this movie comes out. They are going to say this movie is a failure if it doesn't make as much as Man of Steel, and they are going to complain so much if Superman makes more money than Man of Steel. Either way I have faith in James Gunn.
I’m a Snyder fan, but I’m a Superman fan overall. I was sad to see Henry go, as well as sad to see Superman & Lois go. Superman 2025 better be good for 2 Supermen to have been sacrificed in order for it to exist.
The most important thing is that Superman is a great movie in the eyes of the majority, and by great I mean atleast an 8/10. It needs to get people back on board with DC and excited for the future. Money is always a factor but as long as it doesn't 'flop' then this should come secondary to the overall quality of the film.
Honestly WB's meddling has killed so much goodwill and expectations fans have and its justified that fans dont trust they'll interfere again I trust Gunn and his vision even if some choices are questionable but man if this movie and the overall DCU falls victim to the sins of the DCEU I wont be surprised if certain characters are shelved for a long time and they continue to meet ride Batman till the wheels fall off
They better market the hell out this movie. Hell I'm surprised they haven't started. I'm getting the tickets to this movie hell I'll even get my friends to join.
@@baki484 Same here I'm watching this on opening night same with Fantastic 4 and I agree they better give this movie the push and marketing it needs basically give it the Batman treatment
@@Kalel2.0 I'll just buy tickets for superman. I'm fatigued of marvels content. I'll probably watch superman again though by getting another ticket. He's my fifth favorite hero I'm showing up. Batman Flash (Barry, Jay and Bart) Greenlantern (Hal, John, Kyle and guy) Green Arrow Superman (Clark)
@BaithNa bro almost every single movie have that goal. Everyone; hope, optimism and second chances. You're not spitting something unique here..lol Every story have a plot, a climax and then conclusions. MoS is not exempted. You fools don't have real argument
@@roylle6346that’s not a rebuttal, those things aren’t mutually exclusive. All-Might doesn’t talk-no-jutsu; he kicks ass and inspires hope just like Superman should. So what is your argument? Because as of right now you’re not making a point, besides ad-hominem by calling people “fools” which is a logical fallacy. Which is hilariously ironic given your statement.
@francjameso you still haven't made a point. You only presented regurgitated talking points without reasoning. I like how you use one character that inspires hope( all might). Name one, Mc that doesn't inspire hope? Even Frank Castle inspire hope.
After James Gunn said quote "the flash is gonna be the best superhero movie of all time". If this Superman movie don't live up to that quote. Then I'm sorry Bye Bye DC i ain't listening to anymore broken promises. Even if its from James Gunn.
@@j.r.tomlin4265 those statements in no way whatsoever affect his credibility. Did you forget about the guardians trilogy? Or TSS? Or Peacemaker? You may think his credibility is gone, but he’s doing just fine.
@@rogueknight77 all those movies deserve the title Best Superhero movie of all time Way more than the flash. The fact he would even say that about the Flash movie hurts James credibility. He can promote a movie without lying about its quality. I still want him to Succeed and do well but to say that his credibility is the same after the horrible flash movie is crazy.
I think Superman will succeed because we all know James has a great track record of superhero movies before this and he actually knows the source matterial and the VFX team has over 1 year to make this movie as beautiful as it should be and I hope they make the most of the marketing they can do
At this time, all I want is a really good Superman movie. If James Gunn and WB don’t stick the landing with “Superman 2025”, then the entire DCU is dead in the water. None of these other DCU projects mean ANYTHING to me unless they nail Superman first and foremost. I don’t want another soulless Superman movie that’s just empty spectacle and tacked on references to the comics that don’t amount to anything. I want a good Superman movie that actually makes me care about Superman, where he’s written and treated like an actual character. Not to get off topic, but I absolutely LOVE the characterization and emotional depth the writers have given Superman in the newest animated series, “My Adventures with Superman”, so Superman 2025’s take on the character has a lot to live up to. With that said, I’m still pretty skeptical about the new movie. Just because James Gunn has found some success with a few superhero properties (Keyword being "some"), that doesn't mean he'll succeed with EVERY superhero property he's given, let alone Superman of all things. Even if James Gunn has the best of intentions for Superman, that’s not gonna stop the executives at WB from tampering with it and pushing the movie they “think” will be successful. Hell, Superman 2025, supposedly, has a budget of $360 million, which is INSANE! That’s almost 3 times the budget for the first “Iron Man (2008)!” That budget, alone, leads me to believe that Superman 2025 is just gonna be another bloated mess just like that piece-of-shit movie “Batman v Superman.” I'm not trying to bum people out who are looking forward to Superman 2025 and I don’t wanna go into the movie ready to hate on it like the Snyderverse fans already are (I absolutely HATED the Snyderverse movies and don’t support those movies or its fanbase in ANY way, especially that universe’s awful take on Superman). I’m just so tired of being disappointed by bad Superman adaptations that don’t value or understand Superman’s character or his appeal. I like James Gunn (I’ll always have fond memories of seeing the “Guardians of the Galaxy” movies in theaters), but I don’t know if he’s the right guy to helm the material. If shows like "Superman and Lois" and "My Adventures with Superman" can tell compelling stories with Superman, with strong characterization and emotional depth, with only a FRACTION of a Hollywood budget, then there is absolutely NO excuse for Superman 2025 to be anything less than "above average." I just want a good Superman movie made by people who ACTUALLY give a shit about Superman. Is that really too much to ask?
I have the utmost faith in the movie being faithful and at least good. I worry about the general public’s reaction to the stark tone shift after nearly a decade of Snyder/Snyder Cult brainwashing.
The thing that I'm afraid of happening is that the movie is gonna be really really great, cuz honestly James Gunn never misses, but I'm afraid it might just sadly not make enough money in the box office.
@DavidMartinez-ce3lp the first suicide squad movie was not directed by James Gunn. That's the one that bombed. James Gunn did suicide squad 2 which was a success.also Peacemaker was a huge success too. So good thing future content isn't decided off of what you liked.
People need to stop giving James Gunn a hard time and let him cook. He was never the enemy WB is the enemy. James Gunn is DC's last hope. Let the man cook.
@@ezekielsparadise4633 WTF you talking about Gunnbot? The first Suicide Squad made over 750 mill. GUNN'S TRASH SQUAD was a COMPLETE BOX OFFICE DISASTER
I seriously need everyone to start talking to their real life friends about this movie. Most people I know have no idea about the DCU reboot or even a new Superman movie coming out.
Bro Snyderverse fanboys truly have become a cult. Like for real. I just discovered a channel(won’t say the channel’s name), that just nonstops repeats the same doom and gloom for the DCU and James Gunn. They literally want this to fail thinking that if it does WB has no choice but to return to Zack Snyder’s vision. But he’s NEVER coming back.
Gunnguzzlers don't realize fans have a reason to be bad, we were teased his return in Black Adam and Cavill announced it just for James Gunn and WB to fire him. Fans have a reason to be not as accepting to this new Superman
@@ControllerAkimbo Don’t get me wrong. I too hate that we won’t see Cavill finish his run as Superman. I actually enjoyed Black Adam for all its flaws. But that tease still hurts knowing nothing will come to fruition from it. Unfortunately, Snyder’s run on Dc has done more damage than we thought. Yeah people were excited for the Snyder cut when it released. I was too. But over time we all kinda understood that Zack’s storytelling isn’t really the best. And he doesn’t understand Dc’s heroes all that well. Plus, Zack even threw a bit of shade to Dc fans when he was talking about “I want to change the way Batman goes about fighting his enemies. I want to make him kill people. And when people say he doesn’t kill, you’re protecting your god in a way”. He was basically saying that he wanted to change core aspects of characters like Batman to show fans that we were wrong to defend these parts about them. Also, I still like Man of Steel but I’ve soured on BVS and hell I actually don’t look at JL Snyder Cut in the same light anymore. Snyder was just the wrong person to herald a whole cinematic universe around Dc. And it just seems weird that his diehard fans are willing to make the new iteration of Dc films fail.
@@JcgLounge I sometimes wonder if Warner Bros intentionally screws up Superman movies to avoid paying Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster’s family a lot of money. Same way with Fantastic Four. I wonder if they intentionally make poor Fantastic Four movies to avoid getting sued by the Jack Kirby’s family. DC and Marvel screwed over the men who started their entire company.
Blue Beetle failed because of a lack of support from Warner Bros when it came to marketing. Joker 2 failed because the director made it a musical to spite fans of the first one. Basically, they're shootin themselves in the foot rn
Lack of support?! Blue Beetle was meant to be a tv movie. But because Saffran produced it and became Head of DC, he bumped up his own project after cancelling Batgirl and gave it a cinematic run. Blue Beetle is DCEU's biggest flop in history. It's trash.
@@MadMax-ot3fi Correct. That is the lack of support that WB gave it. Bumping it up to a full release, and doing nothing to market it. That's why it failed, not because of bad writing, but bad handling from WB. It's still a pretty good film.
@@andyoye9230 Because it was rushed by Saffran for his bonus. Blue Beetle is a terrible film, a grandma with a machine gun is cringe asf. It was a cheap made for tv piece of trash.
@@MadMax-ot3fi Why was it a bad film? it has a 77% on RT and the character arc between Jaime and the Scarab was well done, while the family elements were the best part of the entire movie. It's bombing is almost purely on its messy production/marketing, not it's writing.
@andyoye9230 Rotten Tomatoes again?! You do know those ratings are paid for by the studio. You do know they got exposed for paying $50 for positive reviews? Do some research.
ground breaking??LMAO?? first off its already introducing us to him , again, on the down having a bunch of guess characters in the movie when that ain't even necessary even if you're telling a future story where he's been a hero just choose from the many comic stories that are critically acclaimed about him facing his foes fighting for justice and prevailing.. its NOT that Hard but this is hollyweird so everything must be the most awkward non planned piece of trash media... this movie will be a dud and james gun is incredibly overrated as a director storyteller
Agreed, I get wanting things to be connected but it's kind of weird that he wants things to be their own while also shoving in as many characters into a Superman movie. It's sort of contradictory.
@@emanuelsonJnr dude the movie is going to have a few cameo's in it just because you decided to not look into something you say you like doesn't mean it ain't real.. you kids out here really do live in a candy land universe
Hopefully Superman becomes the main character of the DCU kinda like how iron man was the main character of the infinity saga. I get Batman is more popular and that's okay but is spiderman is extremely popular yet you never see him being focused on crossover stories.
Superman never embodied the concept of hope better than now, i have high hopes for this movie, it has to save both the DCU and the Superman character for the average audience in one go
My only real gripe is that Gunn is keeping his people from The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker, and still pushing Amanda Waller as the Nick Fury of the DC Universe, with her getting her own show, and being in Creature Commandos. Like, I get it, Gunn made those products, but - Continuing Peacemaker set in the DCEU and keeping the others from TSS seems unfair to Cavill and Mamoa - Especially after Kill the Justice League and Absolute Power, I’m getting burnt out on Task Force X and Amanda Waller in the DC Universe.
My only issue is that Krypto is not a Labrador. It is obvious that JG want to sway the audience’s feelings through the cuteness if all else fails. It’s all probability they’re playing with. A number game.
I feel distrust 😓with a Superman movie that includes Hawkwoman, Mr.Terrific and Guy's GL...it should be Clark's time to shine! 😩 Remidns me of what they tried to do with Black Adam, and with people saying it is difficult to write Superman.😢
@@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω They can exist all they want: but explained in the video, this is sort of like DC's last chance in movies: and these other 3 heroes may not even be B-listers, having to share the screen with them is not a good sign.
You don’t know what kind of role they play in the movie or how much screen time they have. It’s far too early to assume that this Superman movie won’t be about Superman
@@rogueknight77 It will be about Clark, but I just don't want it to start by having them trying to "set up" other characters for the future like DC recently tried to do not so many years ago. Please Warner: just focus on the movie itself, so you can later have time to "build up" the cinematic universe or whatever. T_T
Cuz you a fake fan simple as that if you were a real superman fan you want it be good but i understand why you are concerned i mean we are getting a ton of characters in that superman movie will they be established or just be bland
@@pixx6974 only fake fans accuse others of being fake fans. You’re just a little NPC blinded by hype. Get off your high horse kid. People like you do nothing but make shit worse for a fandom.
I’ve been telling my friends that if Superman fails, DC needs a 5 to 10 year cinematic break. Do animated shows, movies, video games, comics - but give live action films a break. People need time to miss it and Warner Bros. needs time to get their shit together.
No, they just need to cancel the whole cinematic universe thing and stop trying to catch up to Marvel. They need to accept that Marvel succeeded and they failed and DC needs to go back to just making independent live action movies with zero connections to each other. Each character stays in their own universe. DC was doing very well when they were doing that approach.
@@Abhinav-m4o DC has failed while Marvel succeeded. They need to accept it already. Go back to making disconnected, independent films, like TDK trilogy.
same people who crapped on the suit reveal for bvs and shitted on the emerging universe were petty nolan fans now a lot of them in some spaces claim to be a fan of both and put both on a pedestal it's actually sad and people are fine with it
i think my main hesitation with the new DCU is because of 3 things 1. a lot of james gunn's works with superheroes have largely been more satirical and playful, and while that can work for superman, i think it would be best to go for a more grand and dramatic vibe which i (somewhat irrationally) worry wont be present in the movie 2. we haven't seen a lot of (what i would consider) pivotal aspects of the DC comics universe announced, like The Flash (we dont even know if itll be Barry or Wally or even Bart or Jay) or Aquaman or Martian Manhunter 3. the casting for a lot of the characters thus far have... not been very well-received as of recent? i know you can't please everyone with castings but a 60 year old Hal Jordan is NOT it, and kinda makes me think he's only gonna be in the DCU to introduce John Stewart and then to die, pretty much, that or they can do parallax eventually which i do not think is a good idea. considering my favourite side of the DC universe in comics is the green lantern stuff and Hal is my favourite part of that, it kinda hurts me specifically to see that they basically have no plans to continue using Hal beyond the first season of Lanterns
@@animalsandlegos4525Hal Jordon is the most iconic Green Lantern. John Stewart is the fan favorite Green Lantern. Same way how Barry Allen is the most iconic Flash and Wally West is the fan favorite flash.
Let's be real though. It's really funny that you're telling Snyderverse fans to move on, when the Snyder Cut came from them not moving on. They're not going to move on. Studio intervened with a creative vision, it was tarnished, then it was restored, and then it was tarnished. It will be restored. Again.
The creative vision was shit. Snyder cult needs to accept that and move on. Snyder had his chance and it still sucked. No more of that garbage. NO MORE! Do you REALLY want more Rebel Moon level shit?
The only recent successes were Batman, Joker, Suicide Squad (took hit from Covid but was still successful) and Peacemaker. ❤️ James Gunn Also Penguin, almost forgot
Not the way Superman was portrayed. Tyler Hoechlin was a true Superman more than Henry Cavill got to be. Tyler's Superman to reason with people before taking action. That's Superman. Henry Cavill's Superman didn't do that ,at least his Superman wasn't as strong about it.
@@MadMax-ot3fi superman and lois has nothing in common with man of steel besides having 2 characters named superman/clark kent and lois lane aside from that they are totally differen, they arent the same genre or have the same tone and even the potrayal of characters in the show is different Man of Steel is inspired by injustice and darknight rises (the only dc projects snyder knows about) its far from a "true" superman movie as it butchered half the characters it used
Hugh also reacted to Deadpool and Wolverine and Marvel got a bunch of marketing and hype for Deadpool 3 and the plot still aged like milk so... A lot of people hype things up in Hollywood. 💀💀
One question, WB wasn't having financial difficulties? How are they going to afford a cinematic universe? They have announced many projects but I don't know how many are sure that they will be done.
@@andyoye9230 No, Gunn is a very generic director, with no notable successes outside of Disney. He will fail with Superman of the Galaxy. Man of Steel is a cbm masterpiece. Donner and Snyder > Gunn
@@MadMax-ot3fi MOS has a 59% on Rotten tomatoes and is incredibly inaccurate to the comics. Snyder replaced the hopeful Superman, with a dark and edgy version in an attempt to "modernize" him. This ideology can work in other films, but should be avoided in CBMs, because the entire point of superheroes is to be hopeful and bright, especially with a character like Superman. Choosing to do this shows a lack of care for the source material, in an incredibly important way. If you want to disregard the entire point of a character and replace him with you're own version, you shouldn't be adapting other material. Meanwhile, all of Gunn's CBMs have scored over 80% on RT, and embrace the comic-booky nature, while having sincere stories and moments. That is a much better ideology to have when it comes to adapting stories.
I wish I could be optimistic for Gunn's Superman movie, but there are a couple of things about it that keep bothering me. One thing would be the presence of so many other DC heroes that are already going to be in the movie. There not just mentioned as existing, but have a presence onscreen as well. What in the world? It really does feel like Gunn is trying to jumpstart his cinematic universe without even giving it time to breathe. Can't we have a Superman movie where he is the only hero on screen? The other thing would be his previous idea that makes me see Gunn as not the person you want running a DC cinematic universe. He was originally going to have the big bad of his Suicide Squad movie to be a rogue Superman of some sort. Gunn was even offered the chance to do a Superman movie previously, but turned it down since he didn't get the character and even described Superman as a "galoot" at one point. Here's a quote from Gunn that is very concerning: “Just because I write something doesn’t mean I feel it in my bones, visually and emotionally, enough to spend over two years directing it, especially not something of this magnitude.” That's a red flag and it tells me that Gunn is not a Superman fan. If he were he'd feel Superman in his bones today and a few years back. That is the nature of a Superman fan. This does not sound someone who you want directing a Superman movie. It's mighty convenient that now he is just suddenly interested in making a Superman movie. To me, it feels like he didn't want to, but had to make one as a condition for becoming the lead guy of his cinematic universe. It feels more like a DC showcase movie rather than a Superman movie.
Idk, considering what Gunn said about his dog being in the Superman movie (and the fact he’s releasing this movie on the same month his dad died), I feel like Gunn really has a connection with this movie and he’s putting a lot of heart into it. Regardless of what he said previously. As for your other issue, I don’t think there’s a problem with having a few other heroes be in the Superman movie. It’s obvious that the reason they are there is to establish that this world has other heroes in it and that superheroes have been around for years. As long as the primary focus is still on Superman then I’m fine with a couple other heroes getting like 5 minutes of screentime. In fact I’m actually excited to see Guy Gardner and Mr. Terrific in live action for the first time.
@ The fuck you talking about? I believe this will be a great movie because unlike you I dont hate anything before it even comes out. Everything I’ve seen and heard about this movie tells me it’s gonna be good and make plenty of money. Oh, and Gunn never manipulated anybody. That’s just bullshit.
Lmao when this fails and it will Cavill will most likely be back and before you try to label me a "Snyder cultist" I've been a diehard DC fan since the 80s decades before Snyder even directed a DC film kiddo and to me Snyder makes the best superhero movies along with the Russos , Gunn is a one trick pony , comedy team up movies full of fart and dick jokes full of C list characters, he completely screwed up GOTG , TSS and Peacemaker and hes a complete weirdo who has convicted pedos as best friends as someone who actually reads comics i cant stand anything Gunn has done and most real DC fans like myself agree , ive seen you in these other comments claiming this and that and calling people names and i decided to come set you straight because youre completely delusional and you dont speak for real DC fans , my guess is you're like most DCEU haters (pre Walter Hamada) (who actually ruined the DCEU not Snyder) and was originally MCU fans who jumped ship and followed Gunn over to DC , no since in replying because i know im right and I'll give you more facts about weirdo Gunn that you definitely wont like... I own over 10k DC books and i kmow more than most about these characters, movies and so on so dont try to discredit things you know nothing of...@BaithNa
I feel like even if Superman flops, WB is so stubborn they'll probably keep going with the DCU for a few more films, and basically repeat the DCEU. But I also feel James has got this
James Gunn is a joke and the wrong choice to lead DC. WB never knows how to manage their properties. James Gunns praises for The Flash and Blue Beetle, leave his word questionable. And his Superman film is making all the same mistakes WB forced Snyder to do!
This movie can't just be good, and it certainly can't be okay. For DC to survive, it needs to be an excellent movie that also does excellent at the box office. Otherwise this entire DC rebranding is done before it even begins
@AshrafAnam 1. Snyder fanboys aren't DC fans... that's why they're called Snyder fanboys. 2. I read comics. I get all the iterations, and know which one i like, don't like, and which ones are good and not good. Movie-only fans only know the iterations they argue about online. 3. We're talking about superman here, not weird studio and industry politics. 4. You Snyder fanboys are just weird.
@BaithNa a few months back, I learnt that Court of Owls was supposed to be Grayson's final arc but New 52 brought Bruce Wayne back, the rest is history. It would be nice if Grayson got a trilogy: Black Mirror, Gates of Gotham, Court of Owls. I know nothing about film making but having two Bruce Waynes running around could be confusing to the regular audience. I'm bias towards Grayson. Gunn knows what he's doing.
All I'm asking, is WB just let James do his thing. Don't do what they did to Zack snyder with Batman V Superman....."Now we gotta have wonder woman in the movie! Add flash too, eh fk it they all get Cameos!" And let's not kill Superman off....IN HIS SECOND MOVIE! PLEASE?!
Superman will be Gunn's magnum opus so we don't have to worry about the film being good. The only thing that will keep Superman from being successful is its release date, two weeks after Jurrasic World and a week before Fantastic Four. Jurrasic World is going to be an easy billion dollar film and that'll ruin July for any other movies. Gunn needs to move Superman to May IMO because it'll be the perfect movie to start off the summer moviegoing season on a positive notw.
If the new Superman movie fails, I can guarantee you that WB will never even attempt to make a Superman movie ever again; and the DCU prospect will be canned. I am even apprehensive about some of the things here because even though I respect the idea of keeping Matt Reeves’ Batman separate from the DCU, the problem is this can serve to further confuse people, and with comic brands being confusing to casuals and non-comic readers alike; it’s the last thing they would want. It feels like all these projects are trying to make it all seem like they giving creative freedom to their other artists involved when in reality a lot of these feel like ideas in the pipeline for years now but Gunn doesn’t wanna stomp them out.
I honestly think if DC would have just trusted Zach Snyder with his universe and not take out a bunch of scenes out of his movies to release in theaters it would have worked.
I think James Gunn has beyond proven himself by now. Name one other person youd rather have this universe being headed by. Even if he fails, i legitimately couldnt name someone as consistent, as talented, and as enmeshed in the superhero movie space
The sad thing is how predictable it’s gonna be that even if it does crush, there’s gonna be haters that made up there mind 2 years in advance that it sucks
I’ve said it before, it’s poetic that the fate of the DC Universe rests on Superman’s shoulders.
The Last Hope Of DC.
I think that's why it would succeed. James Gunn knows how important this film needs to be and he knows how to handle a large group of characters.
I think it would be peotic if it fails.
Fandoms ruined DC but (not alone) DC corporate corruption and bad decision making was another huge problem.
Then, the constant putting DC in competition with Marvel's fully formed cinematic universe 10 yrs ahead broke DC.
It truly is and Gunn is the perfect person to shepard in Superman and the DCU because he's one of the last few people in Hollywood that knows how to make a successful super hero movie and he respects the characters of DC enough to do them justice. Superman will be Gunn's magnum opus.
Half the fans are already crying cause there's underpants on the outside of the suit, well no shit lmao
That's what superheroes are, it's classic, the fans have destroyed DC more than anything
If Superman fails then get ready for another decade of DC = only Batman
i don’t mind
You sound if it's a bad thing.
Or worst: Harley Quinn projects til we all die.
Shit as long as we get a decent red hood movie outta it then I’m alright with that.
@@GothamKnight84661For a Batman fan…this is excellent, for a Superman fan…Luthor Wins O_O
Superman is the final hope for DC
Well not for DC but for a DC movie universe
@@BusterBarnes Yep. If this movie fails, we will be getting Batman movies till the sun explodes.
Superman please save us 😭
@@NewOverlordYou can’t say that, he trademark that phrase
@AHuerz Well, it's the truth and I do admit I could have said it differently. My bad!
If Superman fails, it will be nothing but live action Batman films till 2040 or until WBD manages to implode upon itself. It's also garunteed that in that time, Wonder Woman would still not have gotten an animated series. If the DCU flops WBD might aswell just rename DC to "Batman Studios".
"Batman Studios and maybe Superman"
The worst part is it'll be the same grounded Batman over and over with little to no involvement from the Batfamily each time creators and certain fans coming up with reasons and excuses as to why they cant be involved. The Flash and Green Lantern running jokes to their movies being awful will feel like relics and theyll probably be relegated to background characters in whatever direct to DVD cheap animated movie and the thought of Wonder Woman still not getting an animated series at that point will feel like beating a dead horse. Let's all hope that can be prevented with Gunns vision being a hit😂
Dc stand for detective comics featuring Batman they didn’t say it featuring Wonder Woman
@@Kalel2.0 Detective Batman stories are my preference
@@thememeguy2195 At this point if two attempts at a cinematic universe fails what makes them think they can try again a 3rd time?
You know there is something wrong when an Aquaman movie makes more than a movie with Batman Superman and Wonder Woman all together in a live action movie for the first time.
Well Wonder Woman 1 did alright, and after Wonder Woman, you logically make Aquaman. Aquaman is her best friend in the heroic community after all...he's the half and half between Flash and GL the way she's half and half between Supes and Bats. Martian Manhunter however is all the above in a literal fine kettle of fish.
The problem with Wonder Woman was just the same as her comic writers. They gave her a sequel that misunderstood her after a debut that got her. She should have gotten a better story for 1984...like Cheetah's rise to being arch-enemy or something to do with a secret of Themyscira.
Also an aquaman sequel ending up not being a failed box office with more than 400 millions surpassing Black Adam "The return of Cavill hype" which can't even pass the 400 millions despite of making 192 on its first weekend.
@@bluemindstudios3256aquaman still failed it 435 on a 200 budget that is below the break even point aquaman 2 basically made shang chi money when shang chi was out in covid and starred unknown hero.
still a flop
@@harryrao4296 but better than other stuff.
If the movie fails, i don’t think we’ll ever stop seeing evil superman again
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What does that mean, we haven't even seen that many evil superman. Only inspirations that also have evil Batman, and yet people are acting like that's an actual trend when it's far from it
@@dramon5835 it is tho. Brightburn, omniman , homelander and even the snyder's superman felt like the injustice superman.
Oh please not that... Anything BUT that!
@@mr.kuso868 Wow 4 inspirations, compared to hundreds of good Supermen. And one implied evil Superman. Injustice is the only real evil superman, you guys are so annoying sometimes
James, I've been to your restaurant before, we've eaten good before, all we need you to do is cook again
Some of his food is the same plain garbage disguised as a different name on the menu
"I'm Craving..A Little..Perspective"
- Anton Ego
I'm gonna put my two cents in. I want this Superman movie to be about Superman with how the cast looks a lot of characters in this film. Hopefully, when the trailer drops I'll be wrong with my hypothesis
@@Myself_hereCap.
@@NickWhite-fw7dx
Just like ya life?
don't worry guys i wont let superman flop
Thank you Prince of Saiyans
It has a baby Godzilla in a flying dog in the first Superman movie. It ain't looking too good bro lol
Your welcome@@TheRealHerbaSchmurba
@@spectrexr1 None of that stuff is a problem.
@@spectrexr1 So your mad why
You have no idea how much I love the term “Snyder’s goons” 😂
That shit is fucking ironic
Aren't they bots?
"boss, how do you like your slow mo"
0:00 For the record, that Blue Beetle movie wasn’t even bad writing, just bad marketing.
Writing was still trash tho
Well I personally enjoyed it
Yeah, I loved that movie. It's a shame that it failed.
Was one of the only dceu flims I saw in theaters
Don’t forget about the writers strike.
Please be the Starman waiting in the sky.
Look Superman is the literal symbol of good. That's all I want. When you see him flying overhead I wanted people to be filled with joy and be genuinely excited. I want Superman to be that guy that will listen to your problems. Sees some kid getting bullied just flies down and takes the time to listen matbe even give the kid a hug. I want a Superman who can talk someone out of suicide, letting them know that they're special and valued. I want Superman to be like your best friend, someone you can count on and just feel comfortable with. It shouldn't be thjs hard to get this right. That's what this generation needs, hope and Superman can be the embodiment of that hope.
I want a Superman who is altruistic but is prepared to make difficult and necessary decisions to protect the planet. When hostile aliens are trying to take over the planet you have to be tough and use force to protect others. And he can be a good guy but don't make him all goofy or too nice. He can smile and be kind but he doesn't have to be all giddy.
@@controlman7490synder Superman couldn’t even come close to that level and was just emotionless, glad he’s done.
@@shantaehalf-geniehero4318 I liked him as Superman.
Yep. Superman is not just a hero, he's the hero and a symbol of hope.
@normadgarmez7026 Facts!
DC Movies is like Sega. They have a plenty of hits, but they also have a Lot of Misses.
I really do want The Batman to be in the dcu. We don't need another reboot and they already ruined it by making the Robin of it Damian instead of Dick.
@@nicholasbowman4733It’s never gonna happen.
@@NickWhite-fw7dxmaybe it will, maybe it won't. But it definitely should.
@@nicholasbowman4733 Shouldn’t. There are plenty of reasons why The Batman shouldn’t crossover.
Most pop culture franchises are hits and misses only
6:51 That Superman and Mr. Terrific backshot is borderline iconic by now, sheeesh 🔥
Pause
what 😭
Superman back shots 😍
@@MEnterprises01💀
Ay pause bro
Save us Kal-El we really depending on you
Clark Kent*
@@tommys4ge Both are true
@@LOMZI-10 you know what i mean
@@tommys4ge 🤓 👆
@@LOMZI-10 stop being obtuse. You know what point he’s making.
It’s funny how everything is up to Superman or the universe is doomed how poetic. Yo I swear I didn’t watch this video before commenting this 😂😂😂
Even Teen Titans Go and Monsterverse lasts longer than DCEU. The pressure James Gunn has been getting must be insane
They call me a James Gunn meat rider but ion care I want peak DC and James bringing it.
You are underestimating The WB Suits willingness to step in and start meddling around with Gunns Projects.
@@rzn2258 Gunn assured that won't be happening in his DCU.
Gunn has never make peak
Guardians of the Galaxy was great for me, you sure?
@@kingdingaling6516 that's good and all but at the end of the day the suits are in control. If they want they can do whatever they want and if james object to it they might get rid of him. I think you underestimate WB ability to fuck things up. I hope superman succeed because that guarantees more dc projects that aren't related to batman or harley quinn. But looking at their track record i don't think so.
They are afraid of making a movie about a heroic man, but won't think it twice about releasing 10 Harley Quinn projects.😩
God I loathe Harley
I've hated her since the Margot robbie portrayal.
Like it or not, Hatley Quinn is a profitable IP.
@@grapefruit2002 You don't say, so? Wouldnt hurt them to make those projects less fanservice-oriented and give her SOME dignity or consistency.
I don't get why Harley is fucking popular in the first place. I liked her in the animated series and Arkham games but that's it. The first Suicide movie was ass, so I'm not sure why that popped off in her popularity
For some reason, I feel like this movie is going to succeed. This movie gives me the same feeling that the first Iron Man movie gave me. James Gunn is gonna come thru
James Gunn has a good track record but Superman is a tough adaptation.
How can this movie give you that feeling? Huh? Seriously it doesn't even exist yet! It's just pictures and blurry shots from people sneaking pics. How about till we wait till there's a TANGIBLE piece of art to actual get a feel from.
I feel like it's going to suck. The suit is trash and there are too many characters. And even the Superman related characters like Krypto I don't think need to be in this movie. Why can't it just have Superman like MOS did? That's way better.
@@TheStormbringer8751 good point. People are going off of vibes and casting announcements and which characters like Green Lantern are included. James Gunn typically does large main cast ensemble shows anymore (TSS, GOTG, Peacemaker) which isn't how *I* think of Supes but it could be outstanding.
Not going to hold my breathe like Superman for the movies release, but I do have hope that it will be good.
This movie has 50/50 chance of flopping or succeeding
Literally every movie has those odds
@ nah not really Deadpool 3 was bound to be a success cuz of most of all cameos and Hugh jackman and then no way home was bound to be a success cuz of spider man alone not just the come back of Tobey and Andrew plus marvel is a franchise with good reputation unlike Dc recently So this movie is on thin ice if it don’t meet everyone’s expectations for a Superman movie it’s over.
I feel like the Superman movie will be good, but from I’ve seen Synder fans will purposely give the movie bad reviews which might affect it, but I feel like the film be & do good.
@weebmeister-harry I get the concern but it'll be the general audience who matter most
There is also the audience who might not resonate with him or not have trust on DC anymore.
Like marvel fans did MoS
@@BusterBarnes true, they’re probably the biggest factor, but I feel like general audience will vibe it if early reviews are good.
@@NoahToledo-xo5pj yooooo ure right I didn’t think about that either
Apparently there’s gonna be a teaser in December, that’ll literally be our first official footage of the movie.
Disney is trying to cut the DCU legs before it starts by releasing fantastic four in the same month. People who say this is a barbenheimer forget that Jurassic world is releasing that same month and it's assured to make money especially in the international box office.
Jurrasic World is about to eat everyone's lunch 😢
Good strategy to be honest
Need this and Fantastic Four: First Steps to be really good, and everything I'm seeing from both looks great so far.
Was waiting for years for the FF to enter the MCU but the Mr. Fantastic casting nearly killed all my hype 😒 still hope it's rly good.
With Stagg building and getting 2 out of 4 already in Superman i really hope that one of the unannounced projects of chapter 1 is for THE TERRIFICS?! 🤔🙏
I love Superman, I still don't understand how DC can't make Superman work even after Marvel literally cleared the way with Captain America. Cap showed that people do want to see hope, want to believe in characters that aren't brooding.
I hate this idea that Cap = Supes. One can kick a car, the other can kick a planet. They are NOT the same!
@@TheStormbringer8751… he never mentioned levels of strength. The comparison is more about how both are symbols of hope and uplifting spirits. Reread before typing that nonsense.
@@TheStormbringer8751 it’s about the character not strength dude
I don't care about superman.
@@felixchavarria8824 I want Superman to throw a motorcycle at human soldiers like Cap did in the beginning of Age Of Ultron.
Please don't let superman flop, cause they're just gonna give us stuff with batman and his world
cavill fans and snyder hardcore will
Good I love Batman his films are always enjoyable. The superhero genre needs Batman. He's the most dependable hero. When the superhero fails they always fall back on Batman.
@@callmejacob3234 ok enjoy your 10 years of Batman and only Batman
@@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω I'll take 10 years of Batman over cinematic universe slop any day.
@@callmejacob3234 most dependable my ass lmao. Guy can't even monitor his own bat family right.
Love this guy praying Superman isn’t bad so he don't have to shake booty live😂
I feel like Superman will be a good movie. However I feel Synder fans are going to be at their worst when this movie comes out. They are going to say this movie is a failure if it doesn't make as much as Man of Steel, and they are going to complain so much if Superman makes more money than Man of Steel. Either way I have faith in James Gunn.
I’m a Snyder fan, but I’m a Superman fan overall. I was sad to see Henry go, as well as sad to see Superman & Lois go. Superman 2025 better be good for 2 Supermen to have been sacrificed in order for it to exist.
@@uncle_ben_rices_nephewIf only the rest of the fandom were more like you
Are you calling Cavills fans Snyder fans?
I do understand how someone can be a “fan” of anyone
@sakurahex4998 your existence is bland
The most important thing is that Superman is a great movie in the eyes of the majority, and by great I mean atleast an 8/10. It needs to get people back on board with DC and excited for the future.
Money is always a factor but as long as it doesn't 'flop' then this should come secondary to the overall quality of the film.
Honestly WB's meddling has killed so much goodwill and expectations fans have and its justified that fans dont trust they'll interfere again I trust Gunn and his vision even if some choices are questionable but man if this movie and the overall DCU falls victim to the sins of the DCEU I wont be surprised if certain characters are shelved for a long time and they continue to meet ride Batman till the wheels fall off
They better market the hell out this movie. Hell I'm surprised they haven't started. I'm getting the tickets to this movie hell I'll even get my friends to join.
@@baki484 Same here I'm watching this on opening night same with Fantastic 4 and I agree they better give this movie the push and marketing it needs basically give it the Batman treatment
@@Kalel2.0 I'll just buy tickets for superman. I'm fatigued of marvels content. I'll probably watch superman again though by getting another ticket. He's my fifth favorite hero I'm showing up.
Batman
Flash (Barry, Jay and Bart)
Greenlantern (Hal, John, Kyle and guy)
Green Arrow
Superman (Clark)
I hope he doesn't snap necks and throw supervillians into IHOPs.
Talk no jutsu is preferred?
@@roylle6346for Superman, absolutely. He's all about hope, optimism and second chances.
Read a comic, kid.
@BaithNa bro almost every single movie have that goal. Everyone; hope, optimism and second chances. You're not spitting something unique here..lol
Every story have a plot, a climax and then conclusions. MoS is not exempted. You fools don't have real argument
@@roylle6346that’s not a rebuttal, those things aren’t mutually exclusive. All-Might doesn’t talk-no-jutsu; he kicks ass and inspires hope just like Superman should.
So what is your argument? Because as of right now you’re not making a point, besides ad-hominem by calling people “fools” which is a logical fallacy. Which is hilariously ironic given your statement.
@francjameso you still haven't made a point. You only presented regurgitated talking points without reasoning. I like how you use one character that inspires hope( all might). Name one, Mc that doesn't inspire hope?
Even Frank Castle inspire hope.
I already got a place on my shelf for that superman figure right between Optimus prime & All Might
When Superman comes out, WE HAVE TO SHOW UP IN FULL AT THE BOX OFFICE!!!!!!!!
Nah, I'll wait for reviews
Honestly, don't care to see it.
Only if it's good.
It’s going to suck
I for one am so glad that the jonkler movie flopped.
Why?
Why so serious
So creature commandos can actually be good and need to have good reviews
@@yarc9what type of logic is that? In a elseworld where joker 2 was good, how would that affect the quality of creature commando?
@@mikeval1525 No
After James Gunn said quote "the flash is gonna be the best superhero movie of all time". If this Superman movie don't live up to that quote. Then I'm sorry Bye Bye DC i ain't listening to anymore broken promises. Even if its from James Gunn.
Gotta market the movie somehow. You want him to say that it sucks and you shouldn’t see it?
@@rogueknight77at least it’s honest
@@rogueknight77 I don't want him to lie to my face and destroy his great credibility on the Horrible Flash movie.
@@j.r.tomlin4265 those statements in no way whatsoever affect his credibility. Did you forget about the guardians trilogy? Or TSS? Or Peacemaker? You may think his credibility is gone, but he’s doing just fine.
@@rogueknight77 all those movies deserve the title Best Superhero movie of all time Way more than the flash. The fact he would even say that about the Flash movie hurts James credibility. He can promote a movie without lying about its quality. I still want him to Succeed and do well but to say that his credibility is the same after the horrible flash movie is crazy.
Really hope they make good storytelling and love movies in new Dcu
I think Superman will succeed because we all know James has a great track record of superhero movies before this and he actually knows the source matterial and the VFX team has over 1 year to make this movie as beautiful as it should be and I hope they make the most of the marketing they can do
Sure
At this time, all I want is a really good Superman movie. If James Gunn and WB don’t stick the landing with “Superman 2025”, then the entire DCU is dead in the water. None of these other DCU projects mean ANYTHING to me unless they nail Superman first and foremost.
I don’t want another soulless Superman movie that’s just empty spectacle and tacked on references to the comics that don’t amount to anything. I want a good Superman movie that actually makes me care about Superman, where he’s written and treated like an actual character. Not to get off topic, but I absolutely LOVE the characterization and emotional depth the writers have given Superman in the newest animated series, “My Adventures with Superman”, so Superman 2025’s take on the character has a lot to live up to.
With that said, I’m still pretty skeptical about the new movie. Just because James Gunn has found some success with a few superhero properties (Keyword being "some"), that doesn't mean he'll succeed with EVERY superhero property he's given, let alone Superman of all things. Even if James Gunn has the best of intentions for Superman, that’s not gonna stop the executives at WB from tampering with it and pushing the movie they “think” will be successful. Hell, Superman 2025, supposedly, has a budget of $360 million, which is INSANE! That’s almost 3 times the budget for the first “Iron Man (2008)!” That budget, alone, leads me to believe that Superman 2025 is just gonna be another bloated mess just like that piece-of-shit movie “Batman v Superman.”
I'm not trying to bum people out who are looking forward to Superman 2025 and I don’t wanna go into the movie ready to hate on it like the Snyderverse fans already are (I absolutely HATED the Snyderverse movies and don’t support those movies or its fanbase in ANY way, especially that universe’s awful take on Superman). I’m just so tired of being disappointed by bad Superman adaptations that don’t value or understand Superman’s character or his appeal. I like James Gunn (I’ll always have fond memories of seeing the “Guardians of the Galaxy” movies in theaters), but I don’t know if he’s the right guy to helm the material. If shows like "Superman and Lois" and "My Adventures with Superman" can tell compelling stories with Superman, with strong characterization and emotional depth, with only a FRACTION of a Hollywood budget, then there is absolutely NO excuse for Superman 2025 to be anything less than "above average."
I just want a good Superman movie made by people who ACTUALLY give a shit about Superman. Is that really too much to ask?
I have the utmost faith in the movie being faithful and at least good. I worry about the general public’s reaction to the stark tone shift after nearly a decade of Snyder/Snyder Cult brainwashing.
Superman will save dc, that first trailer will be legendary
I believe this superman movie will bring in a new era of superhero media
Don't be delusional@@KSSKAYDEE
@@EmperorDxD😂
You were right
@@MonkeyGoat214 lol 💯
The thing that I'm afraid of happening is that the movie is gonna be really really great, cuz honestly James Gunn never misses, but I'm afraid it might just sadly not make enough money in the box office.
It's insane that people out there are hoping for this to fail.
James Gunn has 6 successful comic book projects in a row. I think this Superman movie will be a huge success. James Gunn has been consistent.
Didn't his Suicide Squad movie bomb though, and I gotta be honest the Peacemaker show really isn't making me demand more of the character.
@DavidMartinez-ce3lp the first suicide squad movie was not directed by James Gunn. That's the one that bombed. James Gunn did suicide squad 2 which was a success.also Peacemaker was a huge success too. So good thing future content isn't decided off of what you liked.
People need to stop giving James Gunn a hard time and let him cook. He was never the enemy WB is the enemy. James Gunn is DC's last hope. Let the man cook.
@@ezekielsparadise4633 his SS bombed at the box office...Covid related probably
@@ezekielsparadise4633 WTF you talking about Gunnbot? The first Suicide Squad made over 750 mill. GUNN'S TRASH SQUAD was a COMPLETE BOX OFFICE DISASTER
I remain hopeful and optimistic about this film and what it will deliver, which seems like a fitting attitude to have about a Superman movie.
I seriously need everyone to start talking to their real life friends about this movie. Most people I know have no idea about the DCU reboot or even a new Superman movie coming out.
Why would anyone need to talk about another guaranteed box office disaster from Gunn?
Bro Snyderverse fanboys truly have become a cult. Like for real. I just discovered a channel(won’t say the channel’s name), that just nonstops repeats the same doom and gloom for the DCU and James Gunn. They literally want this to fail thinking that if it does WB has no choice but to return to Zack Snyder’s vision. But he’s NEVER coming back.
Gunn cultists have no credibility.
Gunnguzzlers don't realize fans have a reason to be bad, we were teased his return in Black Adam and Cavill announced it just for James Gunn and WB to fire him. Fans have a reason to be not as accepting to this new Superman
Agreed!
@@ControllerAkimbo Don’t get me wrong. I too hate that we won’t see Cavill finish his run as Superman. I actually enjoyed Black Adam for all its flaws. But that tease still hurts knowing nothing will come to fruition from it. Unfortunately, Snyder’s run on Dc has done more damage than we thought. Yeah people were excited for the Snyder cut when it released. I was too. But over time we all kinda understood that Zack’s storytelling isn’t really the best. And he doesn’t understand Dc’s heroes all that well. Plus, Zack even threw a bit of shade to Dc fans when he was talking about “I want to change the way Batman goes about fighting his enemies. I want to make him kill people. And when people say he doesn’t kill, you’re protecting your god in a way”. He was basically saying that he wanted to change core aspects of characters like Batman to show fans that we were wrong to defend these parts about them. Also, I still like Man of Steel but I’ve soured on BVS and hell I actually don’t look at JL Snyder Cut in the same light anymore. Snyder was just the wrong person to herald a whole cinematic universe around Dc. And it just seems weird that his diehard fans are willing to make the new iteration of Dc films fail.
@@JcgLounge I sometimes wonder if Warner Bros intentionally screws up Superman movies to avoid paying Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster’s family a lot of money.
Same way with Fantastic Four. I wonder if they intentionally make poor Fantastic Four movies to avoid getting sued by the Jack Kirby’s family.
DC and Marvel screwed over the men who started their entire company.
Blue Beetle failed because of a lack of support from Warner Bros when it came to marketing. Joker 2 failed because the director made it a musical to spite fans of the first one. Basically, they're shootin themselves in the foot rn
Lack of support?! Blue Beetle was meant to be a tv movie. But because Saffran produced it and became Head of DC, he bumped up his own project after cancelling Batgirl and gave it a cinematic run.
Blue Beetle is DCEU's biggest flop in history. It's trash.
@@MadMax-ot3fi Correct. That is the lack of support that WB gave it. Bumping it up to a full release, and doing nothing to market it.
That's why it failed, not because of bad writing, but bad handling from WB. It's still a pretty good film.
@@andyoye9230 Because it was rushed by Saffran for his bonus. Blue Beetle is a terrible film, a grandma with a machine gun is cringe asf. It was a cheap made for tv piece of trash.
@@MadMax-ot3fi Why was it a bad film? it has a 77% on RT and the character arc between Jaime and the Scarab was well done, while the family elements were the best part of the entire movie.
It's bombing is almost purely on its messy production/marketing, not it's writing.
@andyoye9230 Rotten Tomatoes again?! You do know those ratings are paid for by the studio. You do know they got exposed for paying $50 for positive reviews? Do some research.
Bro is being kind Cooked is an understatement DC live action will be DOOMED
How about we wait and see. If it flops it flops, if doesn’t flops than it doesn’t.
why
@@mikeval1525 no
ground breaking??LMAO?? first off its already introducing us to him , again, on the down having a bunch of guess characters in the movie when that ain't even necessary even if you're telling a future story where he's been a hero just choose from the many comic stories that are critically acclaimed about him facing his foes fighting for justice and prevailing.. its NOT that Hard but this is hollyweird so everything must be the most awkward non planned piece of trash media... this movie will be a dud and james gun is incredibly overrated as a director storyteller
I hate everything about your comment
We haven't even seen a footage of the movie yet and you've already jumped into conclusions. Mad!
this comment is satire you guys
Agreed, I get wanting things to be connected but it's kind of weird that he wants things to be their own while also shoving in as many characters into a Superman movie. It's sort of contradictory.
@@emanuelsonJnr dude the movie is going to have a few cameo's in it just because you decided to not look into something you say you like doesn't mean it ain't real.. you kids out here really do live in a candy land universe
Hopefully Superman becomes the main character of the DCU kinda like how iron man was the main character of the infinity saga. I get Batman is more popular and that's okay but is spiderman is extremely popular yet you never see him being focused on crossover stories.
They can both be the main character especially since cap was just as much of a main character as Tony
No way home:
@@sageofcausality173 nah Tony was clearly the poster boy for the MCU. Anyone with common sense can see that.
Superman never embodied the concept of hope better than now, i have high hopes for this movie, it has to save both the DCU and the Superman character for the average audience in one go
It won't, it will flop.
@MadMax-ot3fi haters can suck a dick shut up
@@MadMax-ot3fihow hopeful of you
What hope? A trash cosplay suit with red underwear?
@@AshrafAnamYES, THAT'S Superman
My only real gripe is that Gunn is keeping his people from The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker, and still pushing Amanda Waller as the Nick Fury of the DC Universe, with her getting her own show, and being in Creature Commandos.
Like, I get it, Gunn made those products, but
- Continuing Peacemaker set in the DCEU and keeping the others from TSS seems unfair to Cavill and Mamoa
- Especially after Kill the Justice League and Absolute Power, I’m getting burnt out on Task Force X and Amanda Waller in the DC Universe.
F Gunn he took a dump on all other characters just to keep his trashy bisexual Peacemaker, soft Waller and his other trash characters.
@@MadMax-ot3fi You're a snyderbot loser.
@@andyoye9230No I'm a DC fan.
You're a Marvel Disney Gunn Cultist who cries over cgi racoons.
@@MadMax-ot3fi "cgi racoons." As opposed to what using an animatronic for Rocket? lol
Amanda Waller show? This universe lost me.
So sick of Feige's BS, I need DC to step up 😭
DC can never step up unless Snyder and his crew returns and a hack pedo's still in charge
If Superman flops, DC will from then on stand for 'damn cooked'.
My only issue is that Krypto is not a Labrador.
It is obvious that JG want to sway the audience’s feelings through the cuteness if all else fails. It’s all probability they’re playing with. A number game.
I feel distrust 😓with a Superman movie that includes Hawkwoman, Mr.Terrific and Guy's GL...it should be Clark's time to shine! 😩
Remidns me of what they tried to do with Black Adam, and with people saying it is difficult to write Superman.😢
why it's hardly the first earth that other heroes existed
before him
Superman's presence is game changer
what matters is what these heroes do after
@@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω They can exist all they want: but explained in the video, this is sort of like DC's last chance in movies:
and these other 3 heroes may not even be B-listers, having to share the screen with them is not a good sign.
You don’t know what kind of role they play in the movie or how much screen time they have. It’s far too early to assume that this Superman movie won’t be about Superman
@@rogueknight77 It will be about Clark, but I just don't want it to start by having them trying to "set up" other characters for the future like DC recently tried to do not so many years ago. Please Warner: just focus on the movie itself, so you can later have time to "build up" the cinematic universe or whatever. T_T
Ironically... I have ZERO Hope
Cuz you a fake fan simple as that if you were a real superman fan you want it be good but i understand why you are concerned i mean we are getting a ton of characters in that superman movie will they be established or just be bland
@@pixx6974 go drink some water
@@pixx6974 only fake fans accuse others of being fake fans. You’re just a little NPC blinded by hype. Get off your high horse kid. People like you do nothing but make shit worse for a fandom.
I’ve been telling my friends that if Superman fails, DC needs a 5 to 10 year cinematic break.
Do animated shows, movies, video games, comics - but give live action films a break. People need time to miss it and Warner Bros. needs time to get their shit together.
No, they just need to cancel the whole cinematic universe thing and stop trying to catch up to Marvel. They need to accept that Marvel succeeded and they failed and DC needs to go back to just making independent live action movies with zero connections to each other. Each character stays in their own universe. DC was doing very well when they were doing that approach.
@@controlman7490MCU is getting woke too
@@controlman7490you are being pessimistic
Dc characters are more interesting than Marvel
They are the one who started this cinematic
@@Abhinav-m4o Woke has nothing to do with what I said. Pay attention.
@@Abhinav-m4o DC has failed while Marvel succeeded. They need to accept it already. Go back to making disconnected, independent films, like TDK trilogy.
4:43 I'm glad Gunn announced that now. Usually studios would screw up somewhere then a director would come up with some lie to get out of it
Hilarious that you're talking about people wanting this to fail are fake fans, despite that being all you Synder haters did for the last decade.
snyder haters are now assimilating into the snyder fans think about that
same people who crapped on the suit reveal for bvs and shitted on the emerging universe were petty nolan fans now a lot of them in some spaces claim to be a fan of both and put both on a pedestal it's actually sad and people are fine with it
i think my main hesitation with the new DCU is because of 3 things
1. a lot of james gunn's works with superheroes have largely been more satirical and playful, and while that can work for superman, i think it would be best to go for a more grand and dramatic vibe which i (somewhat irrationally) worry wont be present in the movie
2. we haven't seen a lot of (what i would consider) pivotal aspects of the DC comics universe announced, like The Flash (we dont even know if itll be Barry or Wally or even Bart or Jay) or Aquaman or Martian Manhunter
3. the casting for a lot of the characters thus far have... not been very well-received as of recent? i know you can't please everyone with castings but a 60 year old Hal Jordan is NOT it, and kinda makes me think he's only gonna be in the DCU to introduce John Stewart and then to die, pretty much, that or they can do parallax eventually which i do not think is a good idea. considering my favourite side of the DC universe in comics is the green lantern stuff and Hal is my favourite part of that, it kinda hurts me specifically to see that they basically have no plans to continue using Hal beyond the first season of Lanterns
I Don't think many people are unhappy by dcu castings except hal & whatever hal is going to do better than what mcu did with hank pym or tchaka.
I hate HAL JORDAN
@@animalsandlegos4525Hal Jordon is the most iconic Green Lantern. John Stewart is the fan favorite Green Lantern. Same way how Barry Allen is the most iconic Flash and Wally West is the fan favorite flash.
Batman movies till the next millennium
2034
4:49 connecting games to the greater DCU continuity is still a stupid idea
It's not
Wrong
@@studio96films65 that depends, it could work if it's optional like "this takes place in the DCU but you don't need to play to understand the story"
I think he wanted to say that the games would be based on the new DCU and not entirely connected story wise
I mean Star Wars made it work tho
The suit bro💀
Lol, wait for the movie to release
Let's be real though. It's really funny that you're telling Snyderverse fans to move on, when the Snyder Cut came from them not moving on.
They're not going to move on. Studio intervened with a creative vision, it was tarnished, then it was restored, and then it was tarnished.
It will be restored. Again.
Nah.
The creative vision was shit. Snyder cult needs to accept that and move on. Snyder had his chance and it still sucked. No more of that garbage. NO MORE! Do you REALLY want more Rebel Moon level shit?
Me when cope
WB is the most unreliable company on earth tbh it always fluctuates so idk
@@blacklivesorblackvotes2985
Yeah because poop jokes and Flash level story and CGI are much better😂😂
"COOKED HUH?" - Penguin
I’m pretty positive the movie will be good. It just needs some CRAZY marketing.
If Superman fails they need to throw Man of steel, BvS and Snyder's JL at theaters again. It would be better
stop farming nostalgia thats just sad.
The only recent successes were Batman, Joker, Suicide Squad (took hit from Covid but was still successful) and Peacemaker. ❤️ James Gunn
Also Penguin, almost forgot
The batman and penguin are matt reeves tho not james gun
Joker is Todd Phillips
WTF?! GUNN'S SS WAS A TOTAL BOX OFFICE DISASTER! WTF you talking about Gunnbot?
If superman fails, we getting nothing but Batman, joker and Harley Quinn for the next couple of decades
Great!
@@AshrafAnam sounds like hell when you realize it will be sonyverse quality and dc is public domain in 2030s 💀
Look at Superman being the last Hope in fiction and real life. He won’t fail
"We can't have SUPERMAN fail."
"WHAT DO WE DO!?!"
"Give Lois Lane the same powers."
Superman and Lois has been more successful than the entire DCEU. So Superman can be successful if the character is done right.
Superman and lois is clearly inspired by Snyder.
Not the way Superman was portrayed. Tyler Hoechlin was a true Superman more than Henry Cavill got to be. Tyler's Superman to reason with people before taking action. That's Superman. Henry Cavill's Superman didn't do that ,at least his Superman wasn't as strong about it.
@@billymoore7182 Man of Steel is a true Superman film. It inspired the creators of Superman and Lois.
@@MadMax-ot3fi superman and lois has nothing in common with man of steel besides having 2 characters named superman/clark kent and lois lane aside from that they are totally differen, they arent the same genre or have the same tone and even the potrayal of characters in the show is different
Man of Steel is inspired by injustice and darknight rises (the only dc projects snyder knows about) its far from a "true" superman movie as it butchered half the characters it used
ROFL. Why do you hate DC so much?
Ever since Gunn said "The Falsh is the greatest superhero movie he's ever seen" I don't trust a single word from his mouth
It was a good movie you guys just haters.
Hugh also reacted to Deadpool and Wolverine and Marvel got a bunch of marketing and hype for Deadpool 3 and the plot still aged like milk so...
A lot of people hype things up in Hollywood. 💀💀
One question, WB wasn't having financial difficulties?
How are they going to afford a cinematic universe?
They have announced many projects but I don't know how many are sure that they will be done.
They won't, Gunns Superman is going to flop. WBD don't deserve DC.
@@MadMax-ot3fi Superman isn't going to flop, and it's going to be much better that the Snyderverse.
@@andyoye9230 No, Gunn is a very generic director, with no notable successes outside of Disney. He will fail with Superman of the Galaxy.
Man of Steel is a cbm masterpiece.
Donner and Snyder > Gunn
@@MadMax-ot3fi MOS has a 59% on Rotten tomatoes and is incredibly inaccurate to the comics. Snyder replaced the hopeful Superman, with a dark and edgy version in an attempt to "modernize" him. This ideology can work in other films, but should be avoided in CBMs, because the entire point of superheroes is to be hopeful and bright, especially with a character like Superman. Choosing to do this shows a lack of care for the source material, in an incredibly important way. If you want to disregard the entire point of a character and replace him with you're own version, you shouldn't be adapting other material.
Meanwhile, all of Gunn's CBMs have scored over 80% on RT, and embrace the comic-booky nature, while having sincere stories and moments. That is a much better ideology to have when it comes to adapting stories.
@andyoye9230 Inaccurate to the comics, incorrect.
I just hope he don't focus to much on the small names and forget most of the heavyweights have not been done properly
Na I can’t say completely cooked. Between the new Absolute line of comics and Matt Reeves universe, dc got hope.
Matt reeves is poop
I wish I could be optimistic for Gunn's Superman movie, but there are a couple of things about it that keep bothering me. One thing would be the presence of so many other DC heroes that are already going to be in the movie. There not just mentioned as existing, but have a presence onscreen as well. What in the world? It really does feel like Gunn is trying to jumpstart his cinematic universe without even giving it time to breathe. Can't we have a Superman movie where he is the only hero on screen?
The other thing would be his previous idea that makes me see Gunn as not the person you want running a DC cinematic universe. He was originally going to have the big bad of his Suicide Squad movie to be a rogue Superman of some sort. Gunn was even offered the chance to do a Superman movie previously, but turned it down since he didn't get the character and even described Superman as a "galoot" at one point. Here's a quote from Gunn that is very concerning:
“Just because I write something doesn’t mean I feel it in my bones, visually and emotionally, enough to spend over two years directing it, especially not something of this magnitude.”
That's a red flag and it tells me that Gunn is not a Superman fan. If he were he'd feel Superman in his bones today and a few years back. That is the nature of a Superman fan. This does not sound someone who you want directing a Superman movie.
It's mighty convenient that now he is just suddenly interested in making a Superman movie. To me, it feels like he didn't want to, but had to make one as a condition for becoming the lead guy of his cinematic universe. It feels more like a DC showcase movie rather than a Superman movie.
Idk, considering what Gunn said about his dog being in the Superman movie (and the fact he’s releasing this movie on the same month his dad died), I feel like Gunn really has a connection with this movie and he’s putting a lot of heart into it. Regardless of what he said previously.
As for your other issue, I don’t think there’s a problem with having a few other heroes be in the Superman movie. It’s obvious that the reason they are there is to establish that this world has other heroes in it and that superheroes have been around for years. As long as the primary focus is still on Superman then I’m fine with a couple other heroes getting like 5 minutes of screentime. In fact I’m actually excited to see Guy Gardner and Mr. Terrific in live action for the first time.
@@NickWhite-fw7dx Gunn using emotion and sympathy to fool you into being interested in this trash movie. He knows it won't make money.
@ The fuck you talking about? I believe this will be a great movie because unlike you I dont hate anything before it even comes out. Everything I’ve seen and heard about this movie tells me it’s gonna be good and make plenty of money.
Oh, and Gunn never manipulated anybody. That’s just bullshit.
I’d rather go back to Cavill if this Superman doesn’t do good. That’s just my opinion. Go ahead and be mad even though I’m just making a suggestion
That's never happening so get over it and move on.
@@BaithNamost people aren't excited for this movie be honest
Lmao when this fails and it will Cavill will most likely be back and before you try to label me a "Snyder cultist" I've been a diehard DC fan since the 80s decades before Snyder even directed a DC film kiddo and to me Snyder makes the best superhero movies along with the Russos , Gunn is a one trick pony , comedy team up movies full of fart and dick jokes full of C list characters, he completely screwed up GOTG , TSS and Peacemaker and hes a complete weirdo who has convicted pedos as best friends as someone who actually reads comics i cant stand anything Gunn has done and most real DC fans like myself agree , ive seen you in these other comments claiming this and that and calling people names and i decided to come set you straight because youre completely delusional and you dont speak for real DC fans , my guess is you're like most DCEU haters (pre Walter Hamada) (who actually ruined the DCEU not Snyder) and was originally MCU fans who jumped ship and followed Gunn over to DC , no since in replying because i know im right and I'll give you more facts about weirdo Gunn that you definitely wont like... I own over 10k DC books and i kmow more than most about these characters, movies and so on so dont try to discredit things you know nothing of...@BaithNa
@@Geralddd966where’d you find that information?
@@rogueknight77 most people I talk to esp on the internet
2:51 im holding you to this
I actually hope its decent
Honestly DC should just focused on making animations cause they are very specialised in doing that
I feel like even if Superman flops, WB is so stubborn they'll probably keep going with the DCU for a few more films, and basically repeat the DCEU. But I also feel James has got this
James Gunn is a joke and the wrong choice to lead DC.
WB never knows how to manage their properties.
James Gunns praises for The Flash and Blue Beetle, leave his word questionable.
And his Superman film is making all the same mistakes WB forced Snyder to do!
Peacemaker says differently
This movie can't just be good, and it certainly can't be okay. For DC to survive, it needs to be an excellent movie that also does excellent at the box office. Otherwise this entire DC rebranding is done before it even begins
It needs to be better than Superman 78 and Mos. It won't be.
@@MadMax-ot3fi That's impossible and esp. with a hack pedo making it.
Cue the slow roll of John Williams' Superman theme as we come to the sobering realization that ONLY Superman can save the DC movie IP. Poetry.
You mofos are forever stuck with one iteration of Superman and still ask DC fans to move on from the Snyderverse.
@AshrafAnam 1. Snyder fanboys aren't DC fans... that's why they're called Snyder fanboys. 2. I read comics. I get all the iterations, and know which one i like, don't like, and which ones are good and not good. Movie-only fans only know the iterations they argue about online. 3. We're talking about superman here, not weird studio and industry politics. 4. You Snyder fanboys are just weird.
I wish Gunn's Batman was Grayson instead of Wayne.
We may get there.
I wish they'd do it in the comics, and not just for a short stint like they have in the past.
@BaithNa a few months back, I learnt that Court of Owls was supposed to be Grayson's final arc but New 52 brought Bruce Wayne back, the rest is history. It would be nice if Grayson got a trilogy: Black Mirror, Gates of Gotham, Court of Owls. I know nothing about film making but having two Bruce Waynes running around could be confusing to the regular audience. I'm bias towards Grayson. Gunn knows what he's doing.
Nobody cares about Grayson as Batman
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 nobody cares about you.
dc needs this movie to be great I cant see another booty cheeks hot ass water universe
Nope. Gunn needs this movie to be great. DC fans have boycotted it long ago.
All I'm asking, is WB just let James do his thing. Don't do what they did to Zack snyder with Batman V Superman....."Now we gotta have wonder woman in the movie! Add flash too, eh fk it they all get Cameos!" And let's not kill Superman off....IN HIS SECOND MOVIE! PLEASE?!
Superman will be Gunn's magnum opus so we don't have to worry about the film being good.
The only thing that will keep Superman from being successful is its release date, two weeks after Jurrasic World and a week before Fantastic Four. Jurrasic World is going to be an easy billion dollar film and that'll ruin July for any other movies. Gunn needs to move Superman to May IMO because it'll be the perfect movie to start off the summer moviegoing season on a positive notw.
If the new Superman movie fails, I can guarantee you that WB will never even attempt to make a Superman movie ever again; and the DCU prospect will be canned.
I am even apprehensive about some of the things here because even though I respect the idea of keeping Matt Reeves’ Batman separate from the DCU, the problem is this can serve to further confuse people, and with comic brands being confusing to casuals and non-comic readers alike; it’s the last thing they would want. It feels like all these projects are trying to make it all seem like they giving creative freedom to their other artists involved when in reality a lot of these feel like ideas in the pipeline for years now but Gunn doesn’t wanna stomp them out.
WRONG
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I want Robert Pattisojn to be in the dcu bro
Well if Joker failed then I guess we should consider maybe Batman can too and that would be the nail in the coffin
Ive said this many times already...this movie has no choice but to be gass if not then that's it
I honestly think if DC would have just trusted Zach Snyder with his universe and not take out a bunch of scenes out of his movies to release in theaters it would have worked.
His Batman is too old
The more I hear about Superman the more goofy it sounds.. I definitely feel a Flop coming
What do you think Superman is?
I think James Gunn has beyond proven himself by now. Name one other person youd rather have this universe being headed by. Even if he fails, i legitimately couldnt name someone as consistent, as talented, and as enmeshed in the superhero movie space
If it bombs James Gunn will quickly blame the cast just like black Adam and the flash it will happen again 😮😢
Black adam was shit and had nothing to do with gunn.
Dumbass 😂
The sad thing is how predictable it’s gonna be that even if it does crush, there’s gonna be haters that made up there mind 2 years in advance that it sucks
Ngl that blue beetle movie was really good.
Too bad I didn’t go see it
blue beetle movie was bad