Where did the SABER come from? Which swords influenced it?

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  • A great question from Patron Alex Cheng: What swords influenced the development of European sabers?
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  • @cloudcleaver23
    @cloudcleaver23 3 года назад +160

    When a mommy saber and a daddy saber love each other very much...

    • @akashahuja2346
      @akashahuja2346 3 года назад +4

      You beat me to it

    • @ChIGuY-town22_
      @ChIGuY-town22_ 3 года назад +2

      🤣😂🤣

    • @petrikokko1441
      @petrikokko1441 3 года назад +10

      Sometimes when daddy naval sabre is out at sea it is mommy sabre and daddy infantry hanger.

    • @psychedashell
      @psychedashell 3 года назад +5

      They find someone to try dual wielding them until they get a blood sacrifice.

    • @Immopimmo
      @Immopimmo 3 года назад +4

      I thought it was the stork... 😟 I've been lied to! 😠

  • @shade9592
    @shade9592 3 года назад +49

    The way Alex Cheng phrased the question make it seem like he already knew the gist of the answer and just needed and expert to flesh it out more. It's an interesting topic. Perhaps you can do an extended video about this, maybe as a colab with Tod?

  • @artemisdarkslayer
    @artemisdarkslayer 3 года назад +38

    Maybe a series of long videos? Each one covering potential influence and how they could have influenced and then a big one at the end that brings it all together?

  • @anordenaryman.7057
    @anordenaryman.7057 3 года назад +5

    An interesting note from the Hungarian language.
    Szabya - the Hungarian name for the saber
    Szab - to cut
    Szabo - a tailor (someone who cuts to size)
    Szabni - To cut to size
    From this I suspect the word saber might have Hungarian origins. Literally something that cuts. Just a theory.

  • @lindybeige
    @lindybeige 3 года назад +149

    I refuse to watch this video until you spell SABRE correctly.

    • @andytopley314
      @andytopley314 3 года назад +16

      Maybe a vid on the differences between foreign spellings and the correct ones?

    • @dundschannel
      @dundschannel 3 года назад +24

      I sense a 45 minutes long rant incoming.

    • @RaggaDruida
      @RaggaDruida 3 года назад +14

      I expected a very British comment, I am not disappointed...

    • @andytopley314
      @andytopley314 3 года назад +3

      @@RaggaDruida We aim to please!

    • @SmellsLikeTeenPoo
      @SmellsLikeTeenPoo 3 года назад +2

      @Lindybege I may smell of teen poo, but Sir, I beg you to clear this thing once for all times: What is the difference?

  • @MrDaewen
    @MrDaewen 3 года назад +57

    I absolutely think you should map out the main influences for European military sabers. I wouldn't care if it was an hour plus video I would watch. Your research methodology seems quite accurate and complete judging by previous subjects you've covered. Please do this.

    • @andrewshute9761
      @andrewshute9761 3 года назад +3

      When in doubt, map it out.

    • @shawnwolf5961
      @shawnwolf5961 3 года назад +3

      I'd totally watch too, even if it went on 2 hours!

    • @titanscerw
      @titanscerw 3 года назад +4

      Honestly 3 ... I would parcel it for myself so it would last at least month of rations!

    • @taekatanahu635
      @taekatanahu635 3 года назад +3

      I would be fine with 4

    • @MrDaewen
      @MrDaewen 3 года назад +1

      @@taekatanahu635 That works for me too.

  • @labbyshepherdpuppy5943
    @labbyshepherdpuppy5943 3 года назад +9

    From “long ago…. In a galaxy far, far away…”

  • @senatuspopulusqueromanus3011
    @senatuspopulusqueromanus3011 3 года назад +9

    Another day with a new video from both Matt and Tod!!!

  • @morriganmhor5078
    @morriganmhor5078 3 года назад +83

    Matt, I think it is better to do it a bit more chronologically: Avars and their sabers were active on the Byzantine front from 568 to 626, so some ideas could be implanted there (and Slavs). The same came in the Franco-Avar wars with Carolingians (788-804). Then Bulgars came (681- ) and Magyars, also saber-armed (about 895), Seljuk (about 1050, only in Asia Minor), Cumans (also 11th century), and Mongols (after 1240). All those used sabers akin to each other (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turko-Mongol_sabers#/media/File:Turko_Mongol_Sabre_Examples.png). Only then began the idea of curved blades began to creep into the minds of Europeans, in the case of those of Western stock, even after that. Also, I do not think that the type of hilt has anything with this - what makes the saber real saber is the curved shape of the blade and only secondary that of the (more or less curved) hilt.

    • @puliturchannel7225
      @puliturchannel7225 3 года назад +8

      I think the more protective hilt is a distinctive feature that separates western european sabres from most other sabres. And those descent from earlier european hilt types, as in backswords, broadswords, hangers etc. And also some military sword systems were designed to be used for example with sabres and broadswords or backswords... Also how europeans thought about the sword blade and it's use in history, must have influenced how they thought about a curved blade and it's use. I don't think for example, that other nationalities used the system of lunge which was originally developed for a rapier, and it's all over european sabre manuscripts. There also exist most unsabreish, almost straight sabres, which might be a quite european thing, I don't know.

    • @nuancedhistory
      @nuancedhistory 3 года назад +15

      Avars didn't have sabres that early. They had long, single-edged blades that evolved out of the Narrow Langseax (introduced to Europe by the Huns in the 390s to 450s). Sabres first appear around the turn of the 8th century AD, but it's impossible to determine their precise origin. The Romans begin using them en masse as they evolve, calling them a "Paramerion."
      It's most likely they were invented in the Caucasus, probably by the Alan Kingdom of the 7th-9th centuries, who were notorious for their extensive ironworking capabilities and famous for their helmets, maille armor, and swords.

    • @morriganmhor5078
      @morriganmhor5078 3 года назад +5

      @@puliturchannel7225 I agree. But some chronology should be used if we are to discover the tree of development of this type of weapons in Europe. There are 700 years between Avars and Ottomans and their sabers on European soil.

    • @Intranetusa
      @Intranetusa 3 года назад +4

      Those Avar swords at 2:20 look like Han Dynasty straight daos - from the blade design to the circular pommel at the end. Was there any influence or cross-cultural connections between the Avar swords and East Asian swords?

    • @markfergerson2145
      @markfergerson2145 3 года назад +1

      @@Intranetusa How much contact was there between the Caucasus and China ca. 400 CE?

  • @InSanic13
    @InSanic13 3 года назад +6

    Whoa, one of Matt's "short" videos is actually pretty short for once! Not that I mind the long videos...

  • @johnladuke6475
    @johnladuke6475 3 года назад +4

    Where do sabers come from? Have a seat, it's time for a talk. You see, when a blacksmith and an ingot of steel love each other very much....

  • @Annathroy
    @Annathroy 2 года назад +6

    My last name (biological) is Sabljak (Sabre with a 'k' at the end of it.)
    Could mean my ancestors were either wearing sabres, making them, were sabre warriors or whatever. So thats interesting.

  • @Honeybadger_525
    @Honeybadger_525 3 года назад +33

    Here's an idea Matt. How about you put out several shorter videos with each discussing the different weapons that influenced the development of the European saber? Example: Video #1: Turko-Mongol sabers, Video #2: Early European single-edged swords, Video #3: Persian Shamshir/Indian Tulwar, etc.

    • @MadManchou
      @MadManchou 3 года назад +6

      If I were Matt, I would take it exactly the opposite way. I.e. start off from the earliest european "sabres" and looking at what influenced *those*, and then moving down time and regions. This is because there really isn't such a thing as "the European saber" : each nation in Europe obviously has its own sabre culture influencing its designs, which also quite obviously evolved a lot through the couple of centuries "sabres" were in use (not to mention that different paterns were in use at the same time for different purposes, sometimes with a different history as well). It also would have the benefit of being relatively specific, and also potentially of shining a light on the specificities of the history of the British/French/German/Russian (maybe Spanish and Italian but I haven't really seen much of those on this channel) sabres and the countries they served.

    • @prasanna3378
      @prasanna3378 2 года назад +1

      It's Taalwaarr actually. Somebody inform Matt about it.

  • @harjutapa
    @harjutapa 3 года назад +2

    I would 100% love to see a 2 hour lecture from you on this subject.
    But maybe break it up into smaller chunks for the algorithm

  • @moralkamikaze1112
    @moralkamikaze1112 3 года назад +4

    My answer would be the 8/9th century magyar sabre. Then into Turkey (kilij) Arabia (shamshir) the Caucasus (shashka). Then through the ottoman empire, back through the hapsburg empire in Poland and Hungary. Then into Western Europe. Up to this point I would suggest the bulk of historical European swords were based on an evolution which began in Greece, then Rome, migration era and viking into the early medieval sword which became cruciform with the spread of Christianity.

  • @petebyrdie4799
    @petebyrdie4799 3 года назад +2

    I think a book about sabres would be an excellent idea, if none exists. Sabres are varied in both their history and appearance, yet are always distinctively sabres, and they're stunning to look at. Such a book would naturally begin with a discussion of their influences.

  • @gyorgygyorfi4804
    @gyorgygyorfi4804 3 года назад +5

    You've talked a lot but said nothing.
    1. Curved one edged swords appeared in the same time between Central Asia (turkic nomads, alans) and the Karpathian basin (avars).
    2. It become standard sword of all eastern nomads and they transferred it to China, India and Africa(Mamluks).
    3. Hungarians had sabres originally, but they took the straight swords with the christianity.
    4. When Otoman turks with sabers attacked Hungary the hungarians adopted the light cavalry and their sabres.
    5. Hungarian hussars begin fashionable as the Habsburgs got the rule over Hungary and started to use hussars in all their wars from the Schmalkalden war. to the Great War.
    6. The polish got hussars when a hungarian nobleman Istvan Batory Princeps of Transilvania was elected to be king of Poland.
    7.The european saber was taken over when all european powers established hussar regiments and took all uniforms too (tshakos, cherry picking trousers, dolmans, cadettes, moustaches etc.)
    Wiki:Bavaria raised its first hussar regiment in 1688 and a second one in about 1700. Prussia followed suit in 1721 when Frederick the Great used hussar units extensively during the War of the Austrian Succession.[32]
    France established a number of hussar regiments from 1692 onward, recruiting originally from Hungary and Germany, then subsequently from German-speaking frontier regions within France itself. The first hussar regiment in the French army was the Hussars-Royaux (Royal Hussars), raised from Hungarian deserters in 1692.[33]

  • @verify6329
    @verify6329 3 года назад

    I absolutely love a video mapping the origin of weapons. Maps and other visual aids would just make it 100x better

  • @christopherwilson5054
    @christopherwilson5054 Год назад

    Cheers Matt. Sharpen your writing skills. You should absolutely do a book on this subject. I feel it's an underserved topic!

  • @heretyk_1337
    @heretyk_1337 3 года назад +12

    An anegdote, to show, how hard it could possibly be to realize, from where sabre could possibly come from.
    It is widely believed, that polish sabre comes from Hungarian influence(their armor, clothes, way of fighting etc.) at around 1500s. Hungarians, in turn, were most probably influenced by Ottomans. But, since our swordmakers beame really good at making sabres, and even made some impressive calvary swords of our own- Ottomans started to believe, that it had to Commonwealth, that was a country of origin of sabre...

    • @szepi79
      @szepi79 3 года назад +3

      Also an anecdote. We, Hungarians came from Asia about 1100 years ago. Warriors from that age are often drawn with sabers. Later on, we got on the straight sword hype train. If that is true, then that would mean that when the Ottomans came, we "reinvented" the sabre.
      So yeah, it's pretty complicated :D

    • @morriganmhor5078
      @morriganmhor5078 3 года назад +2

      However, Magyar tribes (Old Hungarians) used sabers in the 9th century, at least 100 years before Seljuks left Chorezm for khalifate and, in the end, Asia Minor, where they spawned Ottomans in the 13th-14th century.

    • @szepi79
      @szepi79 3 года назад +2

      @@morriganmhor5078 well, Magyar tribes are not the old Hungarians. They were different tribes with a common origin. This common origin was the basis of much confusion, and since Attila made the Huns very known and feared, the Magyars were identified as Huns as well. But the current day Hungarians are decendants of the Magyar tribe, not the Hun tribe, but we are still called Hungarians. We call ourselves Magyars, not Huns.

    • @morriganmhor5078
      @morriganmhor5078 3 года назад +1

      @@szepi79 I didn´t say anything like that, only that Huns came first, then Avars, and finally Magyars conquered Pannonia. If my wording was not exact enough, I apologize.

    • @szepi79
      @szepi79 3 года назад

      @@morriganmhor5078 no worries mate :)

  • @nickmccrite
    @nickmccrite 3 года назад +1

    This is amazing. For the last week or so I’ve been pondering, and would love your input as to whether the saber is the ultimate evolution of the true fighting swords.

  • @londiniumarmoury7037
    @londiniumarmoury7037 3 года назад

    Just in time Matt, this video will go great with my evening break and coffee, then back to quenching.

  • @ODonnchadhaBrian
    @ODonnchadhaBrian 3 года назад +14

    Headstamp publishing might be interested in publishing a book on the developments that lead to the sabre.

    • @burakbayrakc1020
      @burakbayrakc1020 3 года назад +6

      a sword themed book from headstamp publishing would be really cool

  • @adambielen8996
    @adambielen8996 3 года назад

    I don't see why it has to be a single video. Sound like it would make a great series of videos.

  • @beowulfshaeffer8444
    @beowulfshaeffer8444 3 года назад +5

    Another question: since you've talked about flail weapons recently, what are you thoughts on the European cosh/slungshot, the Asian meteor hammer/rope dart/kusari, or the Polynesian rope club, etc? Do you think the ornately carved spherical stones of Celtic make could have been used as loads for such weapons?

  • @jackrice2770
    @jackrice2770 Месяц назад

    I would suggest it's a question of convergent technologies. There are, after all, a finite number of ways to make something that's a "sword" and Matt has shown us nearly every conceivable sword design over the years. There are hundreds of design variations, even within any given culture, and obviously cross-pollination occurs when somebody encounters an unfamiliar sword design and says, "Hey, that works pretty well. I think I'll go home and incorporate some of that into my next sword."

  • @Trav_Can
    @Trav_Can 3 года назад +1

    I would certainly watch a long video, or series on the history of the European saber!

  • @x3lander
    @x3lander 3 года назад +7

    If you do expound on the origin of sabers, please spend some time on their emergence and evolution in Eastern Europe. It would be interesting to trace the origins of the Byzantine paramerion (in the southeast of Europe), and to see if the Avars were the first to introduce sabers en masse via the northeastern way into Europe, or perhaps even the Huns before them. Did the Byzantines copy them or took inspiration from the Middle East (either the Sassanids or the Saracen auxiliaries). To my knowledge, the Sassanids preferred straight edge swords, even though in later centuries they started using them with pistol shaped grips.
    It's also interesting why there were more popular in the East and not so much in the West until much later (speaking of Europe, here).

    • @morriganmhor5078
      @morriganmhor5078 3 года назад

      Yes, Sassanid and Saracene's sword up to Seljuk coming were mostly straight.

    • @riasapta4109
      @riasapta4109 9 месяцев назад

      Because the main european weapon throughout hystory is spear/pike/polearm (with exception of roman) from sarissa into the creation of bayonet. Sword is mainly a sidearm and sword are suplement for spear and halbert such as rapier, side sword, backsword, arming sword

  • @KaiserHabsburg
    @KaiserHabsburg Год назад +1

    Id like a video on how the shamshir as we think about came around. early persian/indian swords like sabers. as i understand they are over 2000 years old in basic concept. single edge curved(later) highly curved blades with single handded pommels

  • @alexcheng1560
    @alexcheng1560 3 года назад +1

    Thanks Matt!

  • @Alhamdulillahist
    @Alhamdulillahist 3 года назад

    Happy to see you're back to more regular uploads

  • @dorkatarmsetcetera9468
    @dorkatarmsetcetera9468 3 года назад +1

    My Provost-at-Arms credited specifically with Dussack and he quoted manuals focusing on dussack, but I haven't seen the manuals compared closely. I think your comment that there is no singular lineage that leads to saber as the final product is spot on. I definately want to read more into this though, so...
    WRITE THAT BOOK, PLEASE Matt!!! :)

  • @OldMadHatter
    @OldMadHatter 3 года назад

    A video really hammering the origin of the sabre would be awesome!

  • @robertshell4176
    @robertshell4176 3 года назад

    Take your time with it and do a series, sounds like a very interesting study.

  • @johanrunfeldt7174
    @johanrunfeldt7174 3 года назад +4

    It's a rabbit hole, but a rabbit hole worth investigating.
    And a question: Did the US cavalry use sabers in the Indian Wars of the late 19th century?
    We never see the cavalry using sabers in westerns and other popular media depictions, but at the same time we all know that ammo for firearms was hard to get on the frontier, so an edged weapon would be very useful to ease the logistic situation.

    • @genghiskhan6809
      @genghiskhan6809 3 года назад +1

      I will try to look this up for you.

    • @genghiskhan6809
      @genghiskhan6809 3 года назад +2

      According to sources ranging from wikipedia to civil war journals, yes the cavalry did use sabers during the Indian wars. However, it had become a common practice to leave the saber in the saddle or exchange it for extra pistols during the later stages of the civil war. Furthermore, cavalry charges against indian cavalry were rare as the Indians generally were better horsemen and armed with lances.
      TL;DR yes they did, but it was uncommon due to previous experiences.

    • @brittakriep2938
      @brittakriep2938 3 года назад +1

      @@genghiskhan6809 : Also in 1848 war, mexican lancers had been a problem for US cavallry in melee, because US cavallry had been only Dragons (?) / Dragoner in german language.

    • @rogerlafrance6355
      @rogerlafrance6355 3 года назад

      Swords and sabers are most effective against unarmed civilians, unlike spears that get stuck in people who were not worth wasting ball and powder on.

    • @silverjohn6037
      @silverjohn6037 3 года назад

      Hollywood movies make their money by being entertaining not historically accurate;). Cavalry charges make for good cinema but also make for a lot more dead soldiers.
      Most westerns are set between the end of the American Civil War in 1865 and the end of the century. As Genghis pointed out cap and ball revolvers had replaced swords for most soldiers by this point. More importantly, while some European armies might take until WW 1 to get the point, the American soldiers in this period had enough veterans of the Civil War that they were unlikely to fight from horseback unless they were caught in an ambush. In that case they would have used revolvers to try and break contact and get to a safe distance were they could dismount and use their carbines (short barreled single shot breech loaders).
      Swords stayed in the system and I believe the last cavalry sword meant for combat, as opposed to ceremonial use, was introduced in 1913 (designed by then Olympic pentathalete and eventual General George Patton) but I don't think I've seen any pictures of soldiers during the Plains Indian Wars carrying swords.

  • @ErokowXiyze
    @ErokowXiyze 3 года назад

    I'd love to see a huge Matt Easton documentary about his favourite fencing weapon.

  • @andrzejkawa5491
    @andrzejkawa5491 3 года назад

    yes, do a veery long episode on the topic, pretty please! there is a niche for long detalied deep dives in cool topic, nearly vaccant one too.

  • @Xileph410
    @Xileph410 3 года назад

    If possible I would love to see a video about it (or maybe several videos).

  • @corinfletcher
    @corinfletcher 3 года назад +4

    I was actually going to bring this up anyway, but I was wearing my plate gauntlets the other day and fiddling around with my weapons. I know. Typical, right? The one-handed ones felt like they were going to fly out of my grip. My bastard sword however and spear, or anything else I gripped in two hands is far more secure. My observation is that might be the main reason why the shield was abandoned other than advancements and armor. It was the armor itself that made knightly weapons two-handed, perhaps.

  • @meltedplasticarmyguy
    @meltedplasticarmyguy 3 года назад

    Short answer, yes. Long answer, YES, you need to do a video series on the origins of sabers.

  • @diegoguerra8736
    @diegoguerra8736 3 года назад +1

    Yes, u should do a big video about it

  • @futurerandomness1620
    @futurerandomness1620 3 года назад

    Please yes, please try and put a video like that together it would be fantastic to put the family tree of sabers

  • @ICHIGODEATH600
    @ICHIGODEATH600 3 года назад

    I'd love see a series of videos about the history of Sabers

  • @FGBFGB-vt7tc
    @FGBFGB-vt7tc 3 года назад

    A research video on this topic with photographs and diagrams would be a delight to watch! =D

  • @mylesdobinson1534
    @mylesdobinson1534 3 года назад

    A Book on the subject would be a great read👍

  • @kuesdav
    @kuesdav 3 года назад

    The book sounds like an excellent idea. Would be extremely happy to buy that one.

  • @andreigabrielion9575
    @andreigabrielion9575 3 года назад +2

    Hey Matt! Could you do a video on the chinese monk spade weapon?

  • @benjaminstevens4468
    @benjaminstevens4468 3 года назад

    I would love a video like that!

  • @AJJ129
    @AJJ129 2 года назад

    Hour plus long saber video yes please

  • @Blackjackwhiskey
    @Blackjackwhiskey 3 года назад

    Hi there!! Could you talk about the schiavona sword some day?

  • @NoName-lo9ym
    @NoName-lo9ym 3 года назад +2

    European sabre adoption was primarily driven by the overwhelmingly cavalry centric combat in the Eastern European plain

  • @EgaoKage
    @EgaoKage 3 года назад +3

    I think the European Sabre certainly merits a deep-dive. In many ways it represents a pinnacle of ideas, right? Because it's an amalgamation of all the best features of such broadly ranging predecessors. When that happens, you're equally likely to end up with an absolute mess of disjointed concepts, as you are a masterpiece. The sabre, imho, qualifies as the latter. And, even if it's not the style of sword you prefer, you can't deny that it's at least efficient and elegant.

    • @Finnv893
      @Finnv893 3 года назад +1

      Its not an amalgamation of the best features, just design preferences for the pre-modern world. Such a saber would not feel specialized enough for fighting doctrines of the past.

  • @daeglan
    @daeglan 3 года назад

    Can you do a video and the evolution of the arming sword to the rapier?

  • @josefbroz5531
    @josefbroz5531 3 года назад

    I would like to ask and also know more about swords or other personal weapons used by archers

  • @johnbattyll6874
    @johnbattyll6874 3 года назад

    Yeah that would cool to see the gensis of the western military sabre. Maybe a series of videos.

  • @hypnotik1314
    @hypnotik1314 3 года назад

    You should write a book ether way. Would be fantastic and hard for many of us to put it down.

  • @anasevi9456
    @anasevi9456 3 года назад +9

    2:15 That Early Avar Sword has a striking resemblance to Chinese and Japanese swords of the time, latter known as Chokuto.
    And I do not mean just shape; i mean the pommel, mount, hilt all look 90% exact on the second from the left.
    Avars might have been creating copies of earlier Chinese or far eastern steppe swords, or perhaps their designs permeated eastward...
    though I know of some Han short hilt cavalry swords from 400+ prior that already had that exact shape down.

    • @thescholar-general5975
      @thescholar-general5975 3 года назад +2

      As far as I am aware single edged swords on the steppe originated in the east and went westward, but the avars curved them and then the curved design traveled eastward and became the norm there as well.

    • @genghiskhan6809
      @genghiskhan6809 3 года назад +2

      From what I know, the earliest sabers were developed in China. Then from China, they radiated out to Korea, Japan, Indochina and most importantly, to the eastern central asian steppe/the mongol steppe where they spread out to the western central asian steppe/turkic steppe and from there they entered the Islamic world and Eastern Europe. From the islamic world, they then entered Southern Europe and then Central Europe and finally, Western Europe by the 1700’s. Meanwhile from the Islamic World, the saber entered India in the early 1600’s.

    • @morriganmhor5078
      @morriganmhor5078 3 года назад +2

      These Old Avars probably came from the Great steppe as the Huns before and all other nomad tribes after them, so no surprise that their instruments of war were rather similar. The same goes for instance for theirs and Hunnic bows.

    • @lucanic4328
      @lucanic4328 3 года назад +2

      @@genghiskhan6809 early jokotō swords associated with Chinese and Korean design that arrived in Japan were straight tho. The development of the iconic curvature found in Japanese swords is to be found in native Emishi and Ainu swords and the interaction with Yamato produced blade, based on Chinese and Korean design with Japanese own development

    • @anasevi9456
      @anasevi9456 3 года назад

      @@lucanic4328 yeah at any rate, it is a striking resemblance between that Avar sword/fittings and the quintessential Han era cavalry blade, straight, one sided, that particular portion. Even if its influence is very remote to what we think of as a cavalry sword these days.

  • @wendel5868
    @wendel5868 3 года назад

    A video about the Sarissa please

  • @andyfarrow7337
    @andyfarrow7337 3 года назад

    Hooray, a mention for the dussack!

  • @LuxisAlukard
    @LuxisAlukard 3 года назад

    OK, I see most of comments are about Matt making longer video or series of videos...
    I must agree!

  • @beowulfshaeffer8444
    @beowulfshaeffer8444 3 года назад

    What about a video about blades that were incredibly similar in both form and function but developed in wildley different times and places? Kinda like that dao and falchion video but looking at more examples of possible convergent evolution of design?

  • @andrewboyce2703
    @andrewboyce2703 2 года назад

    I'd buy that book, for sure.

  • @GM-os6fo
    @GM-os6fo Год назад +2

    Hungarian brought saber to Europe
    Even the word saber came from tha hungarian word szab/szablya
    Not to mention that hungarians trained france and polish soldier on hussar warfare
    Even the hussar uniform based on the hungarian style
    Also they were the most famous cavalry nation in Europe
    I'm not saying its a hungarian weapon, but they Brough to Europe and they influenced the rest of Europe

  • @guilhermesilva741
    @guilhermesilva741 3 года назад

    You see Matt, when two sabers love each other very very much....

  • @ChIGuY-town22_
    @ChIGuY-town22_ 3 года назад +8

    Sounds like it would be a great coffee table book, go for it... Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

  • @HebaruSan
    @HebaruSan 3 года назад

    Maybe a collab with UsefulCharts? The family tree of sabers?

  • @1983jarc
    @1983jarc 3 года назад

    This sounds like the first video of a series of videos

  • @fmsyntheses
    @fmsyntheses 3 года назад

    I'd like to see you cover all of the Sharpe films, but could you at least broadly address the fencing in those films?
    I've always liked the weight of the big fencing sequences and how Sharpe narratively employs his improvisational style to overwhelm more skilled opponents.

  • @salavat294
    @salavat294 3 года назад +1

    One might consider the evolution of modern sabres, as the development of separate breeds, followed by cross-cultural hybridization.
    Archeological finds show what might be considered proto-sabres in Volga-Bulgaria, date to about 900AD. The general curved blade and hilt, it possible to see the “ancestral bloodlines” of Karabela, Szabla, and Hussar-style sabres. In Kabardino-Balkaria and Caucasia regions, archeological examples dating from about 1000AD, this pedigree is even more pronounced.

  • @brittakriep2938
    @brittakriep2938 3 года назад

    I am german, and Brittas boyfriend. A longer time ago, in a german text i read, that in , Hochmittelalter' ( we germans call the time between 1000 to 1300) sometimes ,armed persons' used a weapon with curved blade called , Malchus', but i don't remember length or hilt of this weapon.

    • @MadManchou
      @MadManchou 3 года назад

      "Das Falchion (engl.), auch Fauchon (frz.) genannt (von lat. falx ‚Sichel‘), ist eine einschneidige Hiebwaffe, welche vom Hochmittelalter über das Spätmittelalter bis in die frühe Renaissance in Gebrauch war und im deutschen Sprachraum auch als Malchus bekannt ist."
      Wikipedia
      For non german readers : according to german Wikipedia, "Malchus" refers to basically the same weapon that would be refered to as a "falchion" in english.

  • @Schmuddel
    @Schmuddel 3 года назад

    This isn't related to the video's content but this is my first SG video in a while and the audio is so much better now that you have a lavalier mic, some of the older ones were unlistenable.

  • @urseliusurgel4365
    @urseliusurgel4365 3 года назад +18

    Early, native European single-edged cutting swords were not like sabres. I'm, thinking of the machaira, kopis, falcata and later the seax and long-seax. By the time that the European falchion, tessack and hanger were produced, Europe had been exposed to the sabres originating from the Eurasian Steppes for very many centuries. All sabres are descendants of curved swords with the cutting edge on the outside of the curve first developed in Turkic Central Asia. The Avars, Magyars, and later peoples, such as the Pechenegs and Cumans, repeatedly brought steppe martial technology into Europe. The Magyars raided as far west as Western France and even Spain.

    • @GreaterAfghanistanMovement
      @GreaterAfghanistanMovement 2 года назад

      True but Turks originated from Manchuria not Central Asia.

    • @urseliusurgel4365
      @urseliusurgel4365 2 года назад

      @@GreaterAfghanistanMovement Only one of a number of theories, none of which is unchallengeable. However, the ultimate geographic origin of Turkic languages is not really germane, as the sabre was developed in the Central Asian Steppe, which at the time was dominated by Turkic speaking peoples.

    • @GreaterAfghanistanMovement
      @GreaterAfghanistanMovement 2 года назад

      @@urseliusurgel4365 Eastern Steppes (where Turks originated from) is not in Central Asia but North-East Asia. Before Turkic migration, the Aryans were the main ethnic group in Central Asia. The only remaining Aryan speaking countries in that region today are Afghanistan and Tajikistan.

    • @urseliusurgel4365
      @urseliusurgel4365 2 года назад

      @@GreaterAfghanistanMovement Yes, but this has nothing to do with a Turkic origin for sabres. The Sabirs were west of the Caspian by about 500AD, the Göktürks were in control of the same area and all the way east to Manchuria by c. 570 AD. The earliest extant, excavated sabres date to about 750 AD - 850 AD. So the sabre was first produced long after the western and central Eurasian steppe had been Turkified.

    • @GreaterAfghanistanMovement
      @GreaterAfghanistanMovement 2 года назад

      @@urseliusurgel4365 Saberes originated in Mongolia, anything else is a cope and reeks of Eurocentrism.

  • @entropyembrace
    @entropyembrace 3 года назад

    I'd buy a massive book about the origin of the sabre by Matt Easton.

  • @jimmyw7530
    @jimmyw7530 3 года назад +8

    The human story is a collaborative one. The Sabre is just another great example of this.

  • @kwanarchive
    @kwanarchive 3 года назад

    I think to make it easier to handle, create a genealogy diagram and then find the paths that are the most prominent to talk about.
    You could even make it into a poster that people can buy.

  • @_malprivate2543
    @_malprivate2543 3 года назад

    I'd love to see more on armour of the 14th-16th century. Especially what an "average" soldier would wear. Hand-me-downs? Second hand stuff? Battle field loot? On the topic of looting, if I as a soldier managed to snag a really nice cuirass or some greaves for example, but they didn't fit me very well, would I sell them and by something that fit me or have them altered? Just how bespoke is armour really?
    Also, anything you have on Landsknechts and Messers is interesting.
    Cheers!

  • @Yora21
    @Yora21 3 года назад

    2:55 Dude, that looks like a katana!

  • @Zaeyrus
    @Zaeyrus 3 года назад

    Proposal for a video: Medieval sports (competitions) in England (and/or other places in Europe), not just jousting and, of course, focus on the martial arts mediaeval competitions

  • @stephenkennywhatup
    @stephenkennywhatup 3 года назад

    You write that book and I will buy three matt!!!!

  • @BCSchmerker
    @BCSchmerker 3 года назад

    +scholagladiatoria *One of the evolutionary stages of the European saber is the **_Düsſack_** of the German south, an adaptation of the **_Meſſer_** to the tactics of then-invasive Turks.* Evolved independently of the Circassian _Sashkhua_ and the Polish _Szabla._

  • @barnettmcgowan8978
    @barnettmcgowan8978 3 года назад

    If you wrote this book, I would buy it.

  • @FlyingAxblade_D20
    @FlyingAxblade_D20 3 года назад

    Kohanski said the edge needs to be curved. Not just the tip, the whole blade, but just a little bit. Horse combat lends itself to slashing not stabbing (unless a spear). off the top of my head.

  • @stormiewutzke4190
    @stormiewutzke4190 3 года назад

    Yes you should do a full history and a book.

  • @robertsnook7443
    @robertsnook7443 3 года назад

    I think if you want to make a mega video on it or write a book on it, would enjoy it and think you could do it justice then go for it!

  • @skasteve6528
    @skasteve6528 2 года назад

    The saber (used by US cavalry and dragoons and therefore not a European weapon) comes from France. The model 1840 cavalry saber is a direct copy of the 1822 French sabre. Lessons learned from use of the 1840 model went on to influence the model 1860 light cavalry saber. Hope that clears thing up.

  • @cablea6077
    @cablea6077 2 года назад

    I'd buy that book matt

  • @johnyricco1220
    @johnyricco1220 3 года назад

    Hey Matt, I was discussing your Chinese dao video on the purpose of the cup guard with Scott Rodell and I think it would be a good idea for you to do a collaboration with him. He’s a collector of Chinese antique weapons and practitioner of the jian and dao. Scott has designed some of the Chinese swords by Hanwei and others. He has a RUclips channel at Great River Taoist Center.

  • @noname-bk7bc
    @noname-bk7bc 3 года назад

    I would buy and read that book

  • @yoshi658
    @yoshi658 3 года назад

    I think It would be great for a series of videos going for diferent time period finalizing with the actual sabre

  • @Anathmatician
    @Anathmatician 3 года назад

    Question - How did the rules of olympic sabre develop, in particular, the restriction of the target to the upper part of the body only?

  • @aggroalex5470
    @aggroalex5470 3 года назад

    They came from their scabbards :)
    Question! Ray skin? Who found that out? And who slapped it on sword handles?

  • @matthewmckinney5387
    @matthewmckinney5387 3 года назад

    Hey Matt, my father has an 1846 us cavalry saber made by N.P. Ames company. It's an 1840 patter blade molded after the 1822 French hussar. Its 100% original and went through the Mexican war and American civil war in the hands of my great great great grandfather.
    Was wondering what your opinion is of the 1840 pattern us sabers, and any value range you may be aware of. Thanks love your content please keep it up!

  • @DirtCobaine
    @DirtCobaine 2 месяца назад

    Sabres are one of my favorite styles of European swords. They are SO underrated in terms of media. One thing about Sabres in video games that REALLY bothers me is if the game DOES have scabbards (not all games do which is something I already hate) they still don’t give Sabres scabbards. You just walk around with a naked razor sharp Sabre on your hip and that’s of the video game in question doesn’t put it on your characters back. Which is something I don’t like. It’s not a big deal as long as the straight swords on the back at least have scabbards. Like the Witcher. But the Witcher at least
    Gives Sabres half a scabbard. I’d much rather a full one. Which is weird considering Olgeird Von Everec has a very nice Sabre WITH a scabbard lol funny thing is he gifts you that very Sabre just without the scabbard I guess lol

  • @hammster72
    @hammster72 6 месяцев назад

    I would buy that book

  • @BaldPolishBiotechnol
    @BaldPolishBiotechnol 3 года назад

    I would love such a mapping video! Include polish sabre in it XD

  • @andrewgraham6953
    @andrewgraham6953 3 года назад

    I agree how about a series of videos. Perhaps in chronological order?

  • @anvilbrunner.2013
    @anvilbrunner.2013 3 года назад +1

    Go for it. Yes.

  • @michelleslutpuppy4355
    @michelleslutpuppy4355 Год назад +1

    I love the dànces the other countyes near russià of all sword dances even the kids do it to protect their lives

  • @mallardtheduck406
    @mallardtheduck406 3 года назад

    Matt, can you help me identify a German Iron Gunnary Saber? It looked like a Pirate sword, very large Iron guard, 4 holes on each side, two slits near the quillion. It had an iron backstrap with two langets and it looked like an Walnut Grip that was ribbed. Unfortunately, I sold this sword back in 1994. It only had maybe 16" of blade length where the blade broke off. I was always told it was a Spanish-American War Sword. I Would Greatly Appreciate Any Experise Yo could offer. Thank You.

  • @MF-mt3oq
    @MF-mt3oq 3 года назад

    Matt, you should ask Superdry for sponsorship :D
    Keep the good content, cheers!