Swordfish XI Polish saber exhibition
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- Опубликовано: 10 окт 2017
- A video from the Swordfish XI pre finals Polish saber exhibition, uploaded due to the heavy lag on the official video.
Silkfencing Team is a group of enthusiast and researchers of Polish saber.
The system is taught in Krakowska Szkoła Fechtunku.
For more information:
www.silkfencing.pl
www.szkolafechtunku.pl
They mispronounced AND mistyped BOTH of their names. I love it.
Well, Polish names (and Slavic in general) are really hard to pronounce for English speakers).
I'm not complaining, happens all the time, in this case it's just a nice quadruple combo.
Niemand Keiner just type it in Google translate and use voice sound ..computer will read it properly.
I understand pronouncing but mistyping is just unprofessional. Also SHITKO? SITKO goddamnit.
@@niemandkeiner8057 Yea, but at least typing should be correct. It is lack of respect.
As a guy attending in this show i am very humbled to see it has over 150k views. it took a lot of training to fight close quarters with little protection
I find it extremely disrespectful when people don't even bother to check the name of a person they are talking about
4:09 Love the wide stances and very slight if any footwork, with large torso-movement evasions. Very clearly shows the roots of this type of fencing in the saddle, against another mounted swordsman.
EDIT: Returning to this three years later, it's beautiful to see the change from shoulder- and elbow-powered cuts to finger-/grip-powered moulinets, and the change from stresso-tempo to parry-riposte between the styles. To this day Polish saber is still my favorite form of sword combat, love the way it flows.
Actually the history of Polish saber fighting has nothing to do with Turkish or German school of sword fighting. Poles developed saber technique specifically to chop onions and potatoes in-flight as they fall into the cauldron to form a tasty traditional Polish stew after hard day of work. In the later era it was also used in sword fighting, once Turks and Germans ran out of their own onions and potatoes and came loitering through Polish lands in search for these highly-praised vegetables. Just my opinion!
idiota
Actually patatoes are from America and came to Europe long after Germans and Turks started making trips to Poland to rob and murder.. but good try nevertheless.
@@BruceMcCulloch0 if someone fail on that its you . Biały said "from America", you said Preru , as far as i'm concerned Peru and Bolivia are both in America , second thing is that Columbus discovered America at the end of XVth cenury and potatos sailed to Europe even later , so whats your point chump , sorry Boar?
Bravo for this flashy analysis. What do you think Poles used their sabres for in Moscow after seizing it in 1609? Have your country ever seized Moscow? We beat 100 thousand strong armies for centuries. Germans didnt dare to attack us for centuries as we were stronger and richer than them. We beat 200 thousand strong Turkish armies one after another before the US even existed. I suggest you learn some history before sharing your oppinions next time mate.
@@poorpoora they did always with partners russians and austrians never alone they did always get fucked by the Poles
It should be remembered that the Poles had to fight the Tatars and Turks, and these were very good warriors. The Polish knight wrote in a letter that the Turks were the toughest opponent with which he had to fight. And in the battle there were so many of them that their hands fainted from killing them. And new ones appeared in place of the dead. The Poles had to learn effective ways of fighting. One or several opponents from different countries usually fell on one Pole.
without Polish Sobieski all EUROPE would be muslims long time ago
That was probably the reason why this technique looked like that: cut and kill or knock out as many as possible, as quickly as possible, before they surround you. And if they surround, you, create a sort of shield around you, made of your fast-moving blade.
Where did you get this quote? What Knight said this?
I mean yeah, polish sabres are just evolutionized versions of eastern sabres. The polish pretty much copied and took their sabres and custom fitted them
@@i_love_crpg The saber in Europe has been known since the fifth century. When the Turks and Tatars [light cavalry] became the main enemy for the Poles. It was also the Polish people who gradually gave up the sword and knightly cavalry, and changed into sabers more useful for light cavalry.
Polish Cross Sabre, fast and deadly, love it.
What I know about this style:
- It was developed for use by cavalry, mostly against Ottoman Turks and Krimean raiders, so it was a horse against horse or horse against foot style, thus a relatively small amount of footwork once you begin swinging (Compared to western styles, at least) when you use it on foot
- While it's associated with Poles, it was also widely used by Ukrainian Cossacks from Zaporozhia (Modern day middle Ukraine)
- Characteristic wide swings are part of this style with intention to cut down as many enemies as quickly as you can without leaving yourself open for counterattacks. That might be because Polish army was relatively small compared to their enemies (Swedes, Russians or forementioned Turks) and dependent on mass cavalry charges for effectiveness, and the sabre was a backup method used when you ended up surrounded by enemies due to charging into their lines and needed to clear a way to escape.
- Western (German, etc) influence was pretty much nonexistent in this style, but from what I learned back in school it took huge inspiration from Hungarian, Serbian and Arab fighting styles (Much like Polish military organisation was also inspired by Balkan cultures)
The best part is that when looking carefully, you see sparks from the sword clashes!
Guys, I'am from Poland, so I know little my country history. If somebody tells story that we lern the saber technics from germans or other west europian country it means he dont know nothing about europian history, or at least middle, north, south and east europian history. In the time where polish sabre was developted to almost perfect, in the west europe soldiers were using quite prymitive rapier. Thats way in the battles like battle of Kircholm with Sweden in 1605 (Sweden that time was strong kingdom, conquered big part of Germany, Netherland etc), the polish army simply devestaded the enemy, around 80 to 90 % dead, and only around 100 polish soldiers was killed. Polish hussar or less known Lisowczycy were operating as some kind of present special force. Training togerher with a horse last for few years. Battles like this was many where we were outnubered 2, 3, sometimes more than 10 times (or more than 100 times at battle of Hodow 1694 ). Becuse only by numbers the enemy could win the battle.
Thats right you learned it from the turks
Polish cavalry sabers were the best sabres in the world used by world's best cavarly, mighty winged hussars.
Cringe
@@pythonsotl eee tam cringe od razu. kawaleria się zgadza, a szabla to zależy od użycia, ale w wielu sytuacjach była najlepszą możliwą bronią.
I love how they pronounce "Jerzy" (Jeshy) as "Jersey" ;)
Yahshy would be more appropriate in my opinion.
yezhy
Panowie - szacunek. Pięknie wykonane.
Polish fencing isnt heavily influenced by German, but cross influenced, since both countries developed their schools learning from each other. Poland was no younger brother of Germany in that regards.
Polish saber fencing is influenced by the Turks and Mongols
Ah thanks for clearing that up, that was a topic I wasn't 100% on
Ależ to jest piękne Panowie!!! ❤
That looks like a lot of fun!
the black gloves that goes down to the elbows seem just awesome. What model is it?
Fantastic. Truly.
that is soo cool , i wish i could learn it
you can, school in Krakow is available for everyone
Is it hard to properly write their names...? They consist of the same letters like in english. Bigass tournament and such dumb mistake
I tak wygląda prawdziwa walka szablą a nie szermierka sportowa :)
czy aby napewno polega to na tym, aby nieprzerwanie tłuc w oponenta?
To mi nie przypomina sztuki krzyżowej tylko jakies zachodnie wygibasy
@@andrzejsielaszuk5502 To nieprzerwane tłuczenie w oponenta, to aktualna technika.
po pierwsze, pozwala wyznaczyć kto jest szybszy - za wolno się zasłonisz? Obrywasz.
Po drugie jesteś ciągle w kontakcie, łatwiej ci wyczuć przeciwnika - sposób w jaki atakuje i jak paruje. Trochę jak w szermierce.
Ta technika ma jedną wadę. Jedno niskie pchnięcie i po tobie.
@@MartinWoad Wyprowadzanie niskiego cięcia jest odrobinę bezsensowne, gdyż przestając parować cięcia przeciwnika, gwarantujesz sobie cięcie z góry.
Parowanie i atak następuje bardzo szybko (po bloku szabla jest od razu gotowa do cięcia), więc nawet jak trafisz, to gwarantujesz sobie znacznie gorszą ranę (głowa i ramiona, klatka piersiowa itp są odsłonięte). A jak wiadomo masz zdecydowanie mniejsze szanse na przeżycie po cięciu szablą w głowę, niż po pchnięciu w korpus :P
Dlatego szybkość jest tutaj kluczowym elementem, a samobójcze ataki nigdy zdrowe nie były.
świetny pokaz - z Panem Bogiem
How long have you been fencing? Your really good!
Pan Miklaszewski, proszę, powiedz mi, jak wybrać szablę dla siebie? Nie zawracałbym ci głowy, ale nie znalazłam żadnych informacji w Internecie.
Chodzi mi o to, jak wybrać długość i wagę szabli, w zależności od moich danych?
przyznam się, że ciężko powiedzieć. Zależy od stylu. Zapraszam serdecznie na wystawę którą organizujemy we wrześniu w Muzeum Uniwersytetu Jagiellońskiego. Dotyczy ona szermierki szablą na wschodzie Europy, tam będzie wiele na temat wagi, długości i wyważenia oraz stylu w jakich daną broń stosowano.
Naprawdę chciałbym przyjechać, ale Kraków jest tak daleko ... 5,5 tysiąca kilometrów. Dziękuję za zaproszenie. Jeśli pojadę do Polski, zapytam cię, kiedy będzie następne seminarium, i postaram się zbudować moją trasę, aby do niej dotrzeć.
@@user-bn7cg9zv2z gdzie mieszkasz bracie?
@@kdssi648
W Krasnojarsku, jest to Rosja, tu niedawno mieliśmy Uniwersjadę.
wtf-no armor?
Chwała polskiej szabli
Wow, that's it!
Amazing demonstration. Looks like the other guy hit Jerry’s wrist pretty hard at the end of the video and it wasn’t supposed to go that way?
it was not the wrist, he just beat the blade of my hand :) It was expected
Jurek Miklaszewski Oh my mistake then. That “Jerry” was autocorrect sorry!
Polish cross cutting art it has nothing to do with the german school. Where did you get this information from?
I will actually reply to this.
The first source mentioning the Cross cutting technique is Polish Księgi Sarnickie, he is speaking about the use of german greatsword. The source comes from 1575 while the first source speaking about crosscutting in Polish regards is 100 years later.
IT is a very complex isue connected to the fashions of fencing in Europe. If you want to learn more about it buy a catalogue of the To Arms! Sabre exhibition available to bu from our site.
@@jurekmiklaszewski7027 Has it any connections with a dussack fight?
Super sprawa
gdzie można kupić taką szablę i ile ona kosztuje jeśli nie sekret?
ogólnie posługujemy się kilkoma rodzajami szabel. Jedne bardzo stare - już połamane, lub w zasadzie mocno znoszone. Prawie nikt takich nie produkuje, albo sie cenią wyjatkowo, albo też zaczęli partaczyć.
Niektóre szable sam zmontowałem, składając dobre klingi do robionych przez siebie opraw.
Obecnie sam robie szable.
Koszt dobrej szabli oscyluje od 1000 do 2000 pln. JEdnak mozna znaleźc perełki różnego typu znacznie tańsze. Szable zachodnie kosztują mniej, ponieważ są robione znacznie prostszą i mniej wymagajacą metodą
@@jurekmiklaszewski7027 przepraszam że odkopuje ale trudno mi znaleźć zachodnie szable spotykam same polskie które mają swoją cenę więc mógłbym poprosić o link?
@@morvran9074 tutaj jest nasz sklep. Silkfencing.shop.pl tam nieco szabel będzie
The video begins 2:30
Could be nice to see on YT other versions of saber fencing, like Turkish, Georgian, French, Armenian, Arabic.
THAT IS SABER FIGHTING!
Chciałbym się nauczyć :)
chłopaki wymiatają
szacun
Niewątpliwie!
polish saber dosent come from german any thing - cros cutng techniqe is uniqe to polish commonwealth developed throu ages of combat and experiance
americunts being nazis supporters. nothing new. btw. half of so called germans are Slavs
what the fuck are you on about?
Looks like Indian type sword fighting
You mean the tulwar? I can definitely see that, in the sense that drawing cuts are used much more extensively. According to british sources, indian soldiers very often relied exclusively on the slice as opposed to the percussive cut
I thought the early period took things from German messer? And there were dussack techniques taken too right? I could be wrong
Ładnie!!!
Jersey nie rozumiem co mówisz. Mikrofon czasem się przydaje.
Niestety, ale to ma niewiele wspólnego ze "Staropolską Sztuką Krzyżową"... Stoją jak kołki i walą w siebie na przemian w jednej linii. Sztuka krzyżowa polegała na ruchliwości i zadawaniu silnych, naprzemiennie krzyżujących się ciosów szablą.... Szczegóły tutaj: ruclips.net/video/eEAAu-qmfuw/видео.html
Jeezy Mikaszesky xD
It looks like it’s mainly based on timing and the wrist movements. Almost simpler than military sabre. It seems based more on principles than specific techniques and plays.
It may look like a principle but only when oposit fighter uses the same technique. I know nothing about it just started learning. I am a Polish man and I am telling you and many others that cross cutting against any other technique is almost impossible to stop. Its alot to do with the phisical and spiritual abilities of the fighter. Poles are individuals and no one alse can master this better than the Poles themselfs. They are Masters. You had those Masters fighting for the USA freedom and in many wars before and after.
@@jeremahsilversmith7474 "and no one alse can master this better than the Poles themselfs"
I lost you here...
Cos pieknego!
bajka :) cos pięknego
i bet mistyping Szymon's name was really bad joke.
Simon is a English form of Szymon so it's reasonable. Jerzy is way, way worst
Tak w ogóle to jakiego wymiaru jest krzywizna waszych szabli do walki, 80mm czy mniej?
mniej. najbardziej krzywa jest 70 mm, i to jest węgierka. druga w kolejnosci jest litewska husarka - ma koło 60mm
www.wikireading.ru/img/392892_37_i_073.png
To jest dobry profil szabli podobny do twojej? (pomijam palucha).
Honestly, I don't mind the names that much. I myself often englinise my name from Jan to Ian (Pronounced Aye-ann, like "Iron" or "I am")
Odwet za potop szwedzki?
Zajebiscie jest byc z narodu jednych z najlepsych wojownikow na swiecie
To prawda, tyle tylko, że nic z tego nie mamy.
@@andrzejkonkol5364 kosciol katolicki i 7ydzi trzymaja nas skutecznie w szachu, sa juz gotowi do matowania, kosciol przetrwa 7ydzi zarobia a polacy ?
Why are they swinging? Couldn't they just do a faster attack if they didn't do that windup
Momentum helps lead the blade into the cut
You meant "Deutsche" - "Germans" is a wrong world here, because Germania is name of the land given for all of us by Rome - the ancient land of Slavs/Scythian/Goths - part of Denmark, Deutschland ("Germany") and Poland lays on this land,... and there was no "Germany" as a such at that time.
We Poles haven't learnt much from Deutsche or Austrian, but they has been learning a lot from us and Hungarians. Poland was a border country of Europe, so Poles were experiencing constant threat and pressure from the west and south and had to be always prepared and superior to overwhelming forces of very skillful Asian warriors
Spratzpolniczi wallaczlaw
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Ale mają uciechę xd
LELELE LELELELELE LELELELE
Panie Jurku, ja chciałem tylko wysłać filmik z zaznaczaniem że ten sposób walki kijami jest podobny do tego co pan przedstawia w walce szablą
ruclips.net/video/90N-e_uYvUI/видео.html . Jeśli pan to przeczyta to proszę o odpowiedź :) .
tu Jurek, rzeczywiście to samo, ale trochę raczej styl mocno influenced przez kenabo - co jest dla nas mało realnym wyznacznikiem.
ale SHITKO?! :D
xD
ppl: lightsaber fencing is so unrealistic
polish quart:
Ferraria, martelo e bigorna, nenhuma Esgrima.
Przeczytał Jerzy jako Jersey🤣🤣
Czyżby racje miał komentator stwierdzając że polska sztuka szermiercza była 'heavily influenced ' przez niemiecką odmianę?
Jak najbardziej. Pierwotnie systemy szermiercze epoki średniowiecza całej Europy był zdominowane przez wzorzec niemiecki. Oczywiście wykształciło sie wiele regionalizmów. Jednak renesans przyniósł swoisty rozwój sztuki szermierczej w Europie, jednak u nas dominował model średniowieczny, który tylko dodawał ciekawe elementy z ówczesnych sobie systemów. Dopiero na przestrzeni XVII wieku pojawia się u nas coś co możemy nazwać(czy też nawet nasi sąsiedzi opisywali) polską walką.
Naszym sukcesem jest i pozostaje urzymanie tego wzoru, niestety XVIII wiek, to czas lenistwa i braku takiego reżimu trenigowego jak dawniej - o czym zresztą pisze i podaje wiele przykładów Dr Sikora.
Nasz system nie wygrywał jakąś niezwykłą techniką, a tym, że nasi rębajłowie jednak dużo ćwiczyli i praktykwali szermierkę. Pamiętajcie, ze rozhukane techniki, ścisłe konwencje i sporty są konswekwencją zmniejszania sie umiejętności.
@@jurekmiklaszewski7027 Skoro tak mówi ten którego mam za mistrza, to nie pozostaje mi nic innego jak tylko pokornie się zgodzić ;) Dziękuję za odpowiedź !
Sabre faihht is ower 2-3 stihts ower
:)
SHITko OMG :P
His son is called Poopko, but you better not even blink or the saber comes flying ;)
@@charliefasurf1000 BAHAHAHAHA NICE
Każdy dobrze Jersey szable. Dźwięk był Little bit shitko
No i konkret a nie teoretyczne pierdolenie kotka przy pomocy młotka.👍👍👍
Hahahahaha that was good ... a few times I said ...WOW Jesus.....Jesus WOW....Jesus...Jesus....
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1:30 by ukrainian cossacks, not turks.
Who the fuck is Jersey?
A shame they kept on talking while jerzy was explaining stuff.. sorry i meant "jersey"
That Shitko guy is saying a lot of...
1610 yers Kluszyno 2700 Polisch husars vs 35000 Rusian and Sweden Victory Poland! 1605 yers Kircholm 3000 Polisch and Lituanian husars vs 13000 Sweden Victory Poland!
Simon SHITko?? Come on... :p It's like he gets sh*tty KO's
Hungarian school!!!
для детского садика пойдёт
Cyrk
shit, not Polish cross art
Polish, saber fencing without sabers, brilliant video. But it will do for some show for children) The Polish saber is just an oriental saber with a closed guard, and the fencing style is simply adopted from the German Dussac school. No country has been divided several times, the power of Polish fencing is only in the fantasies of Polish nationalists) Funny)
Jesteś idiotą, który niema pojęcia o Polskiej szabli.
@@pawepyrka930 don't cry my little nationalist. In addition to sabers, there are many different weapons and everyone adopts something from each other. Yes, everyone knows about polish saber, nothing unusual. A. Polish saber is a saber made in Poland... You have been divided so many times, you don't have any martial arts. All nations have sabers)
@@Barbarosich damn you still salty about 1609 huh
Bzdury opowiadasz, Polska szabla ma starsze tradycje niż niemiecka
@@jozefgowacki1619 Don't be ridiculous...Do the Germans know that? Evidence to the studio
Those guys are the reason why we(turks) did not be able to take all of eastern and central europe