The Corruption of the Best Is the Worst: When Obedience Becomes the Devil's Tool
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2023
- There is a first time for every major error in Christian history, and the error of our day-the rejection of tradition as good, right, normative, trustworthy, and providential-is an error that never existed before in this naked, austere, unmitigated form. As a consequence, our crisis raises questions about authority and obedience, for the simple reason that the revolution that took place and continues to dominate was initiated and consolidated by so-called “authorities” who claimed the unquestioning allegiance or obedience of all subordinates. Just as every earlier major crisis in Church history led to the clarification of hitherto ambiguous or underdeveloped concepts, so too our crisis will lead to-and has already begun to produce-a better, more realistic, transfigured understanding of Church authority (especially the nature and limits of the papal office) and the corresponding virtue of obedience.
In order to grasp our situation, however, we must dig into what I will call “Satan’s masterstroke,” whereby the devil lays his hands on the most subtle weapon of all: the twisting of obedience until it becomes a means of spiritual suicide or bureaucratic euthanasia. If obedience is a great virtue, its corruption is a great vice.
(A lecture given in Bozeman, Montana, on September 9, 2023.)
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Friends and Viewers: I discovered today that the video file sent to me had a problem with the last minute, which is why it suddenly comes to a stop. But there wasn't much left in the presentation. Here are the final words (continuing the quotation from Fr. Roger-Thomas Calmel, OP):
"It is impossible to say What’s the use? when one knows that it is always good to prove to God our love, the first proof of love being to persevere in the Faith and to keep Catholic Tradition. All the reasons we have for losing heart-the prolonged fight, the extensive betrayal, increased isolation-should only be considered in the supreme light of faith. The greatest misfortune that could befall us is not to be bruised in the depth of our soul by the woes of the present times and the scandals from on high; it would be to lack faith and consequently to fail to see that the Lord makes use of the present distress to urge us to turn our gaze towards Him, to invite us to show Him more than ever our trust and love. So…the first thing to do is to look at the Lord, and then to keep this supernatural contemplation inseparable from consideration of the attacks to be repulsed and the struggle to be engaged till the end."
May God grant us the grace to be faithful to His righteousness as taught and lived in traditional Catholicism, clear, strong, and beautiful as it is, and may He keep us from succumbing to the poisons offered by the world-including the worldliness within the Church. As the last book of the Bible exhorts us: “Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints” (Rev 13:10). // END //
There are other videos that are much longer than your video but they were not cut. 🤷♂️
Yes, I discovered it was a problem with the original video file. Happily, not much is missing.
@@DrKwasniewski I admire your witness, but please consider this criticism. I wish you and other defenders of the faith would use the word tradition less and truth more. The vast majority of Catholics know little about the current crisis in the Church and hear very little of what good apologists are saying. In the popular imagination, tradition seems like a weak word, like the only thing traditionalists are complaing about are matters of a sentimental sort. However when it is made clear that the battle is over TRUTH, God's truth, immutable truth, immutable because truth is the reflection of the mind of God, which is what the process theologian Francis denies, all of a sudden people perk up their ears and start asking what is the debate alll about? What are they saying about truth? Then maybe they might learn something about the flat out denials of Catholic truth from Francis and his defenders.
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Truth and tradition are equally important for explaining how Catholic Tradition is true, and how Truth is traditional. Tradition means "to hand down," and the Church's Scriptural, Traditional, and Magisterial teachings have been handed down since the time of Christ and the Apostles, and will endure forever. And because they're true, they can't be subjected to "the times," or "a matter of opinion," or "mere sentiment," as many Catholics have been falsely led to believe.
@@Marcia-fw3wz What you say is true. That's not my point. What we explain to those who need to be converted in a one on one conversation is different than public talking pints. Emphasizing the word TRUTH is what the unconverted respond to much more responsively than the word tradition which sounds like something Francis has successfully dismissed already as just nostalgia.
It is better to disobey an evil order and suffer persecution for it than to obey. There are too many shepherds who are going along with evil plans, and only a scant few that remain faithful. Heaven help us.
Powerful speech. Every Catholic should hear this
Thank you for this.
I was taught that the meaning of 'Obedience' is:
"To listen intently."
This teaching has helped me to navigate the modernist ideas that we are subject to coming from the present Magisterium and cleave to the Deposit of Faith and the Tradition.
An extraordinary talk. Full of insight and wisdom. Attend the Latin Mass.
I live in Cheyenne, and we've been doing a lot of work here restoring what little Church is left.
I wanted to go so badly, if only to ask for advice, but life just got in the way. Still, I'm glad I get to listen via RUclips.
I thought your Bishop banned all TLM Masses in the state.
@@carolynkimberly4021 he did. We make due with traveling Priests, Wyoming Catholic College, and the Novus Ordo.
@@carolynkimberly4021"Bishop banned all Latin Masses." Read: "Satan is in charge and controlling the Bishop." It is about the same situation in Washington DC where I am located. The Mass is not totally forbidden but not allowed on Holy Days or during the week. The Cardinal is truly evil. He stands with all of the major proabortion political figures. "Would not want to interrupt the flow of government funds."
Dr. Kwasniewski's wise analysis of obedience will soon become very important. When Francis provokes a formal schism, laity and especially clergy will have to make difficult decisions involving the proper application of obedience...to an apostate "pope."
So, do you think that Pope Francis was never the Pope? Do you think Benedict XVI remained Pope?
@@StoaoftheSouth I think Francis is an anti-pope for 3 canonical reasons: (1) B16 was coerced to resign, via SWIFT expulsion, which invalidates his resignation per Canon 332.2 and (2) St. Gallen Mafia illegally canvassed for Conclave votes, resulting in automatic excommunication of all involved and (3) Francis is not Catholic!
@Quedije You are jumping conclusions! He didnt say the seat is vacant. He is saying that Pope Francis is aligning himself more with the world than with Mother Church and we should disobey
@@FpeEddie2 #LearnToRead I did not quote Dr. Kawsniewski.
@@francikeen hi (im not the person who wrote that im their daughter)
Brilliant but also very sad. We live in a time where we are all gagged and impotent
It seems we are living in a time when we are ruled by imbeciles.
'Corruptio Optimi Pessima' 🤨 😮💨🥺 'Obedience to someone who is Disobedient to God is to be DISOBEDIENT to God' - 👍👍👍
This was fascinating! Thank you! I'll be watching this again.
Matt, do you agree that Pope Francis is doing the work of Satan, and that by limiting the Roman Missal of '62 he is trying to destroy the tradition of the Church?
Matt, I love you and your show. Please be careful with this video. There are a few things in this explanation that could undermine the metaphysical thought process that Catholic Dogma is built upon. See "Collation's on the Hexaemeron" By Bonaventure, specifically the 7 dimensions of God - there is an online format available, just google it. Also, "My love deceives no one" - Jesus to St Faustina. I would also call into mind today's Gospel reading:
Jesus said to the people:
‘What description can I find for the men of this generation? What are they like? They are like children shouting to one another while they sit in the market-place:
‘“We played the pipes for you,
and you wouldn’t dance;
we sang dirges,
and you wouldn’t cry.”
‘For John the Baptist comes, not eating bread, not drinking wine, and you say, “He is possessed.” The Son of Man comes, eating and drinking, and you say, “Look, a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.” Yet Wisdom has been proved right by all her children.’
"Unjust laws are acts of violence"! St. Thomas Aquinas
God bless you, Dr. Kwasniewski!
Brilliant and deep reflections, professor. Unfortunately the last bit was cut off. No worries. You've made your point: "Resist until it hurts" as Fr. Mawdsley would say. Cheers!
The original video was missing the very end. Fortunately there was not much of the text left. I've placed it up above in a pinned comment.
@@DrKwasniewski Thank you sir! You are a scholar and a gentleman 🙂. I'm sure it is something innocent but you never know with YT. I alway enjoy your videos. Stay strong and enjoy your weekend. It is a beautiful day here in Tidewater VA.
I could not tire of listening to Dr. Kwasniewski. For many even those I call friends, reason isn't enough. The roots of the resistance go deeper.
I agree. In fact I am convinced there are deep psychological issues that make people unwilling or unable to see the abuse of authority and the suffering of victims, otherwise they would resist the former and rally to the latter. Even non-Catholics and non-Christians are often more perceptive than our coreligionists. Sad, but no doubt an effect of the fall.
Powerful talk by Dr Peter.
The demonic deception by this evil crew is always labeled as ' the work of the Holy Spirit'. Nonsense. The Holy Spirit has zero to do with this evil papacy and its henchmen.
Bingo🎉
They have indeed Uncrowned Him.
Is there a way we can get a print of this lecture? I have friends without computers I'd like to share this with.
Thank you. If you contact me via email (you can do this via my personal website www.peterkwasniewski.com), I'll send you the text.
I am planning to publish it at my Substack Tradition & Sanity in the near future.
Your detailed exposition of the attack on the traditional Mass as:
1. An attack on the Providence of God the Father
2. A rejection of the work of Christ
3. Blasphemy against the fruitfulness of the Holy Ghost
4. A stance against unanimous practice of every age, Saint, Council, and Pope
5. A rejection of the dogmatic confession of the Faith contained therein
6. A rejection of the communion of the western Saints
Can be summed up in one word - DISOBEDIENCE. It is the hierarchy who are being disobedient to their office and to the patrimony of the Church; not those who cling to it regardless of "orders".
"The King's under the law, for it's the law makes him a king." C S Lewis, The Horse and His Boy.
The pope is under tradition, for it´s tradition that makes him pope.
Excellent talk. The only thing I would add (maybe a pushback) is that I don’t believe that this whole fiasco was even mostly because of a weaponization of obedience, but also (I think RATHER) that the laity (and lower-end clergy) were eager and ready to throw off the “shackles” of traditional church teaching…especially in sexual ethics. And they would accomplish that No matter the cost. Remember all of this coincided with the sexual revolution of the 60’s.
The weaponization of obedience by the hierarchy was only necessary for and against those of lesser intellectual might to not get in the way of the Post-Vatican 2 (I use that term very ambiguously) agenda.
Think of I what I’m suggesting this way: The FBI did not recently become corrupt…we became more aware of their already established corruption.
The desires for sexual “freedom” was already there and the outcome was already on the way.
I do believe there is a strong correlation between hatred of the TLM and sexual promiscuity. That said, the Fr. Jackson fiasco has (I hope) taught us that just because a priest is doing the TLM, does not mean he should be automatically trusted all the way…rather, given a chance to help you get to heaven. All of this is a completely different topic.
Texan. Fortunately there are very few "Fr Jacksons" in the TLM. The TLM has a sound traditional basis. The Novus Ordo (mostly) accepts homosexuality as a "given." Wrong.
@@marccrotty8447 Though I’m no defender of the Novus Ordo (except in defending its technical validity)… I think your view is a gross misrepresentation of how the current lay of the land views homosexual behavior.
You would probably be correct 10-20 years ago…but the current state of the priesthood and laity is very different from where it was before.
@@texangentlemen3115 I basically agree your "20 years ago" homosexuality in the Priesthood was more blatant. The BILLIONS of dollars paid out by the Church has necessarily caused some reform. But look at the Priests who "came of age" then and were promoted to leadership over the last few decades. If not homosexual themselves they are tolerant of the sin "that cries out to Heaven for vengeance." Cardinal Fernandez who now heads the "Congregation" for Doctrine and Faith is a certifiable sex pervert. Francis is in on this having appointed and signed off on his "not gay marriage" letter. I could provide a long list of similar attrocties. The FSSP and SSPX have both allowed a few perverts to slip through yet their societies are sound and wholesome. Attend the Latin Mass.
Dr. K, you take us along a road that is smooth, straight, adequately lit, scenic. In the distance, we can see that more of the same awaits we travelers and, ultimately, we glimpse our longed-for destination.
On the distall side of the next hill, however, is a cordoned off section of pavement that has been jackhammered to rubble. That area represents the sensus fidei of the typical parishioner in the typical parish.
I can close my eyes, listen to you and, but for the specific references to the traditional Mass, can imagine myself in a Fordham classroom in the time of Pope John Paul II. Many a teacher - cleric and layman - was talking about the received tradition, the limits of authority, the need for a teaching to be received, the licaity of refusing to obey and so forth. To people who were stuck on that ruined area of the highway, whose lived experience was what these construction workers had made of it.
Doesn't it make all the difference in the world whether one is talking about the liberals dissenting from unbroken church teaching or the traditionalists adhering to and insisting on unbroken church teaching? Whatever "material" parallels there may be, formally these are night and day.
I was once accused of being Lutheran or Protestant because I exalted "private judgment" about the papacy. Here's part of my response:
"I find it frankly astonishing that anyone would confuse the traditionalist position with Luther’s. Luther quickly moved from opposing papal vices to opposing the papacy as such, then a bunch of ecumenical councils, then many Fathers and Doctors of the Church. He called reason a whore, and heaped contempt on the scholastics, especially St. Thomas Aquinas... Traditional Catholics can point to literally hundreds of catechisms published with papal or episcopal approval over the centuries that all teach exactly the same faith. They can point to extant liturgical books from every century and see the same Roman rite in various stages of its career, but always recognizably the same family-a family from which the Novus Ordo is excluded by every criterion. They can point to consistent teaching on all major matters of faith and morals from the popes of every century. To base one’s faith on such a mighty witness of objective Catholicism, treasuring the unity of faith and reason, is the very opposite of the nominalism, voluntarism, and subjectivism of Luther and the religious pluralism to which it necessarily leads."
onepeterfive.com/are-traditionalists-guilty-of-private-judgment-over-the-popes/
@DrKwasniewski it definitely makes all the difference.
I'm just remembering how our opponents used to blast JPII - after having broken up the true sense of the Faith in the hearts of their students - on any number of authentically catholic topics. Their "go to" was always that the pope isn't always right and... what I'm thinking about in our exchange here is that that is all most students internalized... with no consideration at all to the truth of a matter and the authentic Sensus Fidei.
What was Paul Vl's motive for destroying the Mass?
I discuss this in my book "The Once and Future Roman Rite":
www.amazon.com/Once-Future-Roman-Rite-Traditional/dp/1505126622/
Did that end mid-sentence? Will there be a full instalment at some stage?
Sorry, the original video was missing the last minute or so. I've added the short missing piece in a pinned comment above.
Thanks!
SSPX has a informative series on apologetic and the popes who were assassins , whose grandchildren were his altar servers. Still some good ones though
I agree that the TLM is a benefit to the faithful, have family members who are in a traditional parish, and if it were more local to me may take my own family. It is frustrating to experience the restrictions of Traditionis Custodes which feels like an attack on faithful Catholics expressing their faith through the traditional worship of the Church. It is disheartening to see other Catholics deny truths of the Church and experience no repercussions from the episcopacy and even see them raised up as examples of pastoral excellence which ignore the confusions, even heresy they preach.
But with all this said, I find this call to action unconvincing. Too much relies on appeals to emotion, or apparent facts which fail a statistical analysis on a basic level, or take a sentiment beyond its natural end. To this end you could similarly find anti-TLM arguments which would mirror these which could condemn the traditional Mass or defend modernists.
There are many faithful Catholics who have experienced conversion through the Ordinary Form of the Mass, in fact there are many Protestants who have come to the faith through the experience of the Mass who may not have done if they had experienced a Latin Mass which they did not understand. There are many who have had a renewal of faith involving Medjugorje, (I don't know your position on this but I know many who consider that to have demonic ties). I do not claim that these conversions legitimize these things only highlight that if conversion can come through things you have an issue with you cannot claim that the conversions associated with the TLM are proof of its inherent goodness.
You argue that priests taking up the TLM and having a love of it is evidence of its superiority and that you don't see Latin Mass Priests leaving the TLM to celebrate the Ordinary Form. This is obviously the case as almost all these priests will have started from the Ordinary Form and been attracted to the TLM in the first place. The comparison is statistically bizarre. An example of the equivalent would be how may Priests were raised in a TLM parish experienced the Ordinary form for the first time and had a conversion experience then after going to seminary and becoming a priest celebrating the ordinary form realized they actually preferred the TLM after all and stopped celebrating the Ordinary Form. Obviously you could argue that this is such a statistically insignificant case because noone who was raised with the TLM experiences conversion through the Ordinary Form, but at that point it is circular logic because you are presupposing that that doesn't happen.
And finally while the personal faith of the faithful is important, we must be very careful about how we present disobedience. What you say about unjust laws can seem obvious and is supported by the Tradition of the Church, but to use it as a basis to work up an audience into action is dangerous. Firstly to what extent should this disobedience be pushed? Is this a call to action to priests to continue celebrating Traditional rites which they have been forbidden? Is it a call to the faithful to pressure their Bishop on this matter in particular? Or is it a call to people to dismiss their bishop on all topics, as they cannot be trusted to teach truthfully? A call for people to go to groups outside the Church if they don't have access to this particular liturgy within it? What about modernist Catholics who might say "The German Bishops should continue to be disobedience as the law they have been given is unjust"?
You are an intelligent man who has researched these topics and have a duty of care to your audience. I think it is unwise to encourage the average Catholic to disobey their Bishop and the Pope when they disagree, on the basis they are "unjust laws".