Afropunk is Changing. Let's Talk About It. | Conscious Conversations
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Let's chat about Afropunk, it's history, and it's future, shall we?
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Hey Thanks for getting the origin story right. You didn’t even have to do that but it shows you have a fair and balanced opinion wanting not to lose the community that has already been lost on so many before you. Curious if you have footage of the white people walking though the rope. That shit is bananas.
james spooner thanks for watching and thanks for your vision! i didnt get video, unfortunately smh.
As a person who was part of the NYC punk/hardcore community in the 1990s and even knew some of the folks in the documentary; when i saw that punks ended up eventually being left out of Afropunk i knew it defeated the purpose. It ended up looking like a BoHo fashion show. While i love a lot of that look (which was also very big in Fort Greene, etc. in the 90s) African punks were already a minority in the scene. Now there's virtually no representation in the festival it was named after. There are African (Black) punk bands today like Radkey and TCIYF that could be highlighted. There are luminaries such as Sandra St. Victor, Tamar-Kali (who was actually in Afropunk), Skin, Fishbone, Living Colour, Rocky George, etc. who could be honored. There could be a reunion of all the bands highlighted in the original film, or a seminar with Ryan, Shaka, etc.
spooner, i think the mission was dope, and needed to be done. So thank you. i also think the principled thing to do was leave. i appreciate the stance you took.
In terms of the documentary there was something always on my mind: i never felt the isolation as an African woman in the scene from other Africans (at least in the NYC punk/HC scene). i hung out with African (Black) SHARPs, punks, etc. We gravitated towards each other, because we knew we needed to stick together. i didn't feel any of that isolation until i moved to the West Coast in the early/mid 2000s... Then i saw people experiencing it (and doing it) documented in the film as well. i was like, why would you NOT want to be seen as a proud African in the scene? After all, we set the stage for all of this.
Also, as a heavily tattooed vegan of 26 years (at this point) i appreciate you merging the two into your life and craft. Be well..
thank you for creating this Event. i live in europe and having Afropunk in paris was a big deal, as i grew up with no form of repesentation. i actually travelled to france to attend and let me tell you AP paris15 was still very punk influenced and had a very grass root underground feel which made it very special. sadly the following events also lossed their original flavour but i still try to attend because theres nothing likewise in Europe connecting the Diaspora. you did a wonderful job.
I went to afropunk London in 2017, and had a great time I loved the artists performing fact that all of the food and fashion stalls were black-owned.
Though there was a small number of non-black people I barely noticed them tbh, the focus was definitely on celebrating blackness.
However like you said, afropunk has become heavily commoditised, so now it's being seen as another festival like lollapalooza for example- leading to an influx of whites and other non-blacks who are ignorant and just looking for good photos for their Instagram
Sapphire97 exactly! it's conflicting because I dont mind sharing the experience with others, but I do expect them to still respect the space
I agree with EVERYTHING you said. I’ve been going since 2013 and the difference between now and then is crazy. I took my brother who was 16 at the time in 2018, then took him again in 2019 and he even pointed it out to me (while I was secretly talking about it in my head). It was a little disheartening. I do agree that “whiteness” in general doesn’t ruin the experience because it’s still a safe space for everyone but the fact that there were white people who did not understand the culture but just went to post something for Instagram or to come to see like there was circus in town really messed with me.
2018 was my first year going and it was the best black experience of my life seeing all different type of us being free and being themselves I loved it
isn't it magical
Thanks for sharing! I've only been to Afropunk once in 2016 and I don't remember any white people. If they were there, the melanin overpowered them lol. I can see how Afropunk could end up being gentrified..which I agree would make me question if it's a still safe space. It's like you don't want to exclude people but you also want to be able to freely enjoy your culture without the bs. Having to monitor how they navigate through our culture would be exhausting (because that whole double dutch thing and the dashiki had me side-eying hard lol)
Crystal Byrd girl i felt like i was in the twilight zone!
I didn’t even know afropunk was a thing until recently. I plan to attend when I’m older. You’re such an enjoyable person to at watch and listen to. You have such insightful views I’m definitely subscribing.
AFROGEMER oh thank you so much sweetie!
This is crazy lol never heard of Afro punk until today and it’s already on its way out 🤦🏽♂️
Thank you for making this, as a vendor my business definitely felt the pain of the "changes" this year.
The Kristianna Way interesting 🤔
Do you think you will attend the festival 2020?
I’ve been wanting to go to Afropunk but I live in Florida and I’m a minor so I can’t go with just a group of friends. I’ve been so excited for my first time but now I’m scared to go. I have no black safe space bc I go to a Predominately white, private Christian school full of racist. I’ve always wanted that safe space and I hope afropunk doesn’t change for the worst bc our culture is the last thing we have for ourselves and I would like to keep it to ourselves even though it’s constantly being appropriated
It's great that you're so aware of these things at your age! I think overall you will still feel fine and very accepted at Afropunk.
I’m glad! Some of my friends and I decided that we would go for our graduation party thing. I still got another year and a half so i got a little while. Things like this is something my mom made sure I knew before and while going to my school.
I've been to AP Brooklyn three years in a row '16, '17, '18 and I loved it. I loved seeing my people express their blackness. Tbh, gentrification in Brooklyn hurts my heart - it's changing. I don't want to see White people take over AP Brooklyn too. This makes me not want to go anymore.
Yeah I wanted to not go this year and kind of watch from afar to see what developed, but who knows if itll even happen now
So I've been going the past couple of years (I'm white). I've also noticed it getting more commercialized and white and honestly each year it has made me more reluctant to go for this exact reason. White people already gentrify/colonize p much everything, so I don't really want to take this safe space away from people, y'know? Its like when I go to gay pride and get annoyed by all the straight couples and corporations trying to sell me stuff, it kind of ruins the experience sometimes.
Me and my mom started going in 2018. I’m black and I was having culture shock like crazy I wasn’t used to being around so many positive black people where I’m at in Illinois we don’t really have that in my town everyone’s trying to be a thug I’m the “weird” black guy in my town. It felt so good to not be the weird guy I felt so normal it was amazing!!!! When we went in 2019 it seemed like there was less cool white people and more white people that just seen it as a concert. The white people that dress in the African stuff is very strange it kind of feels like they saw pictures on Instagram of the year and they were like oh this is how people dress there OK. Two other complaints I had was they were selling hot ting it was blasphemy, and there were photographers there walking around holding a big ass light setting it in the grass getting in the way they weren’t even working for Afro punk. I’m a photographer I take my camera I be taking photos but I just take my camera I don’t take anything else and there’s too many people (photographers and non togs) going just to take photos and not there for the actual event because they want to be. I hope it doesn’t change anymore. It’s my one trip a year that I look forward to.
That one guy yeah, its definitely a "hot thing" now, and all the out of touch attendees and obnoxious photographers, IGers, and vloggers really made it feel so contrived.
which part of illinois are you in? im in chicago and im a weirdo too lmao. there are plenty of safe spaces for us.
38ktgold centralia 4 hours away. I feel like a alien AP was the first time I felt normal
Thank you. I am a regular afropunk. Its my favorite event. I went to afropunk ATL and I said them white people are too comfortable in our space. I even seen one rocking sminos "minding my black owned business" bag.🤨. They need to know YOU ARE A GUEST. Stand in the corner and enjoy.
i agree i love going & the feeling is indescribable. been going for years & i definitely feel the change.
... ok for all those people getting offended saying stupid stuff like ( why can’t white people go ) she never said that what she and a lot of others are saying it’s like a place for blacks and others to feel free and non judged think about it like this if a bunch of straight cis people ( like myself ) just started going to pride that would take away from it
I've been going to AfroPunk since 2012, so much has changed since then. Everything you mentioned is accurate and has caused a lot of controversy. I really hope they hear the message of the people and really make changes to create the euphoric feeling many of us felt from the early stages of AfroPunk. I love what AfroPunk stands for but I do know they have to match that message. If anyone wants to talk more about it, catch me on instagram: @aniicooper
I am planning to attend the one they just announced in Atlanta 2021. I’m a white guy and I’ve never been before. However, I’ve always wanted to because I listen to a lot of the music there and it seems like a great place. I’m not one of the type of white people you mentioned in your video. I only appreciate, I don’t appropriate. Also, I am from a mixed family and raised with multiple black foster siblings and have 3 adopted black siblings. I am aware of my white privilege and I want to try to use it for good. I learned very early in life that black people are treated differently than me. We were raised to treat everyone as equals… I say all of this because after watching this I almost feel bad for wanting to go to afropunk now. I felt everything you said was fair. I really hope I don’t make any black people uncomfortable by being there. That would be the opposite of what I want. It’s so sad white people turned this seemingly magical event into a spectacle. I will do my best to call that out… thanks for taking the time to read this!
i hope you enjoy your time!
@@mutedearthvirgo Thank you!
I've never been (I'm black, goth, and queer) but it's such a dream of mine! However, if I went and saw a bunch of white people with locs or box braids or wearing african clothing it would absolutely break my heart. I kinda don't want to anymore. 😐
I love that painting in the back! I wish I could buy one 😢
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I just bought my first ticket to AfroPunk 2023, I'm very excited to bask in all the blackness. I've had suspicions for a while now that concerts and music festivals don't usually care to be accessible to the low income, and never to the poor. These ofc always happen to be mostly black folkx. What's supposed to be different about afropunk is it's designed itself to be a music space that centers blackness, but it hasn't committed itself to being financially accessible to black folkx. I've been watching the eeriest videos of black musicians performing for these vast white audiences, artists whose music was beloved in black homes long before they reached white ones. At some point, I have to wonder if somethings cost the way they do to keep a certain people out in order to appeal to a more affluent class of people. If that's the case here, they won't make it to the future. Anyway, I'm praying the white people stay home this year. Thanks for asking questions and inspiring my thoughts
To me, it’s just felt much more commodified. I’ve been going since 2013 when I was 15 and it’s crazy just how much it’s changed. First and for most, it was free back then.
Secondly, the “punk” is gone. My first year there, there was a mosh pit so hard that they tore up a barricade and that’s when I knew this festival was different. It celebrated blackness in all of its forms. Now, it seems they only celebrate certain forms of blackness, the ones that appeal to Instagram and black millennials.
As for the white discourse, afro punk as always been inclusive to all races including white people who were down with the cause. Unfortunately, most of the white people here now just want to look cultured in their Instagram.
I think that's a great explanation, for the attendees it's almost more about the aesthetics of the event versus the actual enjoyment nowadays
As a culture with no definite roots, they will always put themselves into EVERYONE else's thing! They feel it's ok and there shouldn't be issues with their presence. I feel like our spaces will never fully stay our own. It's really sad to think this way but that's the reality.
that is their culture in its very essence, actually
Where do I find the schedule? I bought a ticket but no where is the line up or time it starts and ends. I’m annoyed
I really want to go to Afropunk next year especially since I missed it this year but I just want to ask if it would still be worth it? because I hate that something like this is being gentrified and changed so heavily since it really is something that is me. Like seeing black people dress like me and like the same music as me and be so carefree is amazing.
Raven Collins i definitely still recommend you go, but make it soon before it gets even more gentrified.
Interesting intelligent conversation young princess. I'm 64 from UK but love the vibe, energy, beauty & creativity of our community shown here. Totally get what you're saying. For too long white corporations have appropiated our style & creativity. Remember all the girls in 70s getting their curly perms. Or Bo Derek & the braids. At a time when many African American woman were banned from wearing them in the workplace. However, I ever do get a chance to attend I'll grab it with both hands. My daughter lives in LA. Blessings
They had to rebrand Afro punk as an idea around 2011 just to get away with the fact they took real black punk away from it. I think this was around the time Spooner left.
I'm excited I'm finally going to one in Atlanta, I can't wait to see how this event really is and I'm going to take a lot of pictures.
When I went to AfroPunk BK back in 2019, there were a noticeable amount of white people in the crowd, and it crossed my mind that it was becoming “commercialized.”
i’m white, but i wish i could’ve gone to some of the first afropunk festivals because i love black punk, would’ve been epic
so sorry this happened. i wish i could go, but i don't want to step in a safe space I'm not necessarily welcome in. I'm so sorry this is happening.
I’m going to the October one in Atlanta and I’m really interested to see if this carries over.
Becca Dee093 how was it? Me and a friend will be attending in 2020
@@brightcrystal5747 Me too!! 😍
I'm gonna have to debate with you just a little here, I've been spending all week setting up power for the 2021 event in Atlanta, we have close to, if not more than $1mil of equipment here, and I will have spent 80hrs on site for setup, and that's just me. There are tons of other people putting in the work with more expensive equipment than we have. It's nice that it was once free, but that just doesn't seem feasible to me, SOMEONE has to foot the bill. Looking forward to the event though.
yeah, that makes sense. I'm personally glad that the event is getting funding, and I still think it is very reasonably priced for what the festival offers. just noting the differences on it's long history thus far
Excellent synopsis but PLEASE buy a microphone; my sound is maxed out and I still can barely hear you T^T
The more mainstream it becomes its unavoidable. It's unfortunate cuz I just learned about afropunk festival about 2 years ago.
As an unseasoned individual (white person lol) I have sympathy for your experience at Afro punk. I’ve been looking into going to support the black community but your input makes me think I should probably just buy a black person a ticket, maybe my cousin would enjoy it. That way I don’t add to any unease, and I give an experience of a lifetime to someone marginalization affects directly. Anyway thanks for your video
That's so considerate!❤️
Can we talk about how there’s little to no PUNK MUSIC in afropunks festival and that was the entire point.
I remember being that black punk kid watching the documentary back in the early 2000s like finally! Something for us and being on the message board and finding bands etc
Now you go to the page or the festival and it’s just soul rnb and hip hop (which I love but it’s not the point of why we are here).
yeah, the punk was sacrificed for just afro. like others said, the commercial appeal has taken priority
Am I the only person that can automatically tell when a black person grew up around nothing but middle-class white people?
the last year I went was 2017 and I went two years before that but I was over it after 2017. For me, it wasn't even about the white people..it was about the size and space. I know it's a festival but it's not a safe space for people who don't like large crowds in a small space. it's always been a pretty big crowd but 2017 just felt different..almost made me miss solange I was so irked lol that park is too small for how big it has gotten.
I went in 2018 and had the same complaint! In 2020 they changed the stages around and it's MUCH better, not as caged in at all.
And not only that but it's suppose to be black PUNK music and the line ups don't even have it anymore. I think the closest they've had to having artist like that was rico nasty. And that was yearsss ago. Like what is the point.
This was supposed to be for marginalized black punks bands to have a festival and it's not even that anymore. It's like 80% R&B artist who I love but defeats the main point. That black punk bands get no representation.
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i wanna go so bad next year 🥺🥺 is it worth it ??
I’ve been wanting to potentially go with friends to enjoy the music once we’re adults, but hearing about how it’s sort of getting whitewashed, I’m getting more reluctant to go as a white person. What the people you described did sounds absolutely disgusting and tone deaf (though at this point, I can’t get too shocked), and I know I’d never do anything like that, but I still wonder if I should go or not because I don’t want to contribute to Afropunk feeling less like a safe space, even that “what if” feeling. Everyone deserves to have their safe spaces where they feel comfortable and free. Of course it’s not the exact same, but I guess a way I can understand how you and other POC I’ve seen talk about this are feeling is the way I felt when I went to see Bikini Kill and there were a lot of men in the crowd. I just felt a little anxious…and then I felt pissed off when they were getting pushy in the pit. Literally grown ass men pushing children. Or if I’m going to a pride event and “allies” are just acting like it’s a fun party for themselves to go to, rather than being there to show their support and hear what queer/trans people have to say. Completely ignoring the history of pride, and not even having the level of respect to let queer and trans people speak.
I see Philly Djs interested in it. I will stop by and Check it out but I’m not doing what you just showed me of some of the white people dressed in the video. I will rock a eagles hat and eagles jersey and chill
its really an amazing festival, you will enjoy it
Do they do old hip hop, new hip hop, Rnb, Pop, Trap music , and Jazz?
There was a strange amount of white people this year.
This is all wrong. It’s not about marginalized groups, it’s about black punks who love punk music. Sadly you never hear punk music anymore. All you hear is all that HIPHOP and R&B shit.
What about interracial couples? Did u see any?
Looks Like Magic hmmm, not that I noticed