John Lydon - "Have the government lost the war on drugs?" question (Question Time, 5.7.12)
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- John Lydon, aka Johnny Rotten from the Sex Pistols, was one of the guests in the last of the series of Question Time. I was going to upload more of it, but this was where he got into it the most, and most of the episode itself did tend to drone on.
(C) BBC 2012
I love when John takes the piss out of people It's delightful.
John has devoted his whole life to young people. If any person has the interest of the youth at heart it's him.
Or maybe it’s time to realise Peter Pan was fictional and that it’s time to grow up?
Has making drugs illegal stopped people taking drugs? No.
Has making drugs illegal made anyone safer? No.
Has making drugs illegal helped our economy? No.
Has making drugs illegal benefited people who are vulnerable to drug addiction? No.
Has making drugs illegal helped prevent children from taking them? No.
The answer is simple. Make drugs legal, regulate them, put an age limit on them.
It was far easier for me to buy a bag of weed, coke, etc when I was 16 than it was for me to buy alcohol? Reason being that I was only 16 and therefor couldn't get served...
Anyone who says that drugs shouldn't be legalized should not still drink, smoke, eat fast food everyday etc.... Anything can be abused.
yes, yes, yes, maybe, definitely
Definitely maybe RKID
If heroin is legal I might have a taste
Rubbish.
Congratulations on making a far more coherent argument than that moron John Lydon. And I mean that , I’m not taking the piss. Frankly I think this wannabe intellect is more confused than the most damaged of acid casualties. I agree with decriminalisation; allow people to find out for themselves if they wish. And I will refer to the cliché argument about alcohol - if it was a recently developed substance it would be a class A , up there with crack and heroin, as it is so dangerous. Legalise everything and tax it. To me that spells progress and not degeneration
we made pot legal in Canada and i have yet to see a park where families fear to go.
That dude was talking crap.
I agree, but they were talking heroin, and if you've ever been somewhere that problem is out in the open, you'll understand the issue. Needles underfoot are hazardous.
John is the realest most straight up person you could meet. Absolute legend.
Totally agree with you! I absolutely love John. He's the most honest, intelligent and wittiest man.
In the words of Ali G - 'Does class A absolutely guarantee that they is better quality?'
Haha!
lol 😆
John Lydon's such a clever person, totally agree with what he's saying.
Please enlighten me… I really don’t understand what he’s saying or even what his point is in this debate. Repeatedly saying “education” and “information” wasn’t very helpful. But you are clearly able to follow his argument, so I’d be very grateful if you could help me out here.
John is literally the only down to earth real person there, i agree with him completely
@@scinformation7229 that was 1992
Accusing someone of not understanding drug addiction on the basis of being “middle class” is about as detached from earth as this so called “man of the people” could possibly get.
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John lydon should be PM
John speaks the truth. I respect the hell out of that.
Funny how I'd rather listen to and agree with Lyndon then the people in suits n ties..
Lydon
Not really. Most people are less trusting to suit and ties.
11:06 "I'm not some middle class twat" hahahahahaha
I know I loved that bit certainly got her told snob.
😂😂😂😂
11:00
She just literally said "drugs are baaaad, mkaay"!
Her entire argument is "I have seen the effects of a bungee jump gone wrong, and *bungee jumping should be banned*!!!"
I know! Look at what alcohol has done but no talk of making it illegal.
That louise, "IVE TAKEN CLASS A" WOOOOH
That last guy obviously doesn't understand that tax payers actually have to pay and contribute to prison inmates. Rehabilitation is cheaper than someone spending 10 years in Prison.
11:17 when Lydon says "working class" look at the look on Louise Mensch's face. They fucking hate us.
They hate us working class people , middle ass and upper ass people looking down on us like dogs because they live this " I have money I must show it" lifestyle 🤷♂️ absolute wankers
Didn't no I was fighting a war sat here chillin, and we're winning it.
Brilliant, carry on then.
Thank you for your service
@@DXmYb Absolutely enjoyed every moment of it.
I've got a feeling she took mushrooms and had a bad trip xD
She realised she was a psychopath and for the first time it scared her
John Lydon is the man.
I loved John's sarcastic interjections to that guy (who's name I'm unaware of) 'We'll find hypodermic syringes in Trafalgar Square, yes, of course' and that fool was to stupid to not go along with it.
And yet alcohol is the most addictive, the biggest killer and creates more violence in our streets !!! John your absolutely right.
John lydon wi’out doubt the most honest,wittiest person this planet was blessed with is honesty probably scared the establishment cheers John for opening our eye’s
we have already lost the war on drugs, everyone who doesn't admit that fact is deluded
The very last point "it's the NHS and the taxpayer that has to pick up the pieces", and what if the drug user pays taxes..?
What Lydon says make sense!
Logically to claim one should not take drugs is to claim ownership of that person ,which used to be called slavery. It is my business what I put in my body as it is my body .
Straight up facts. I got a peanut allergy which can kill me. Are they gonna ban peanuts because it can kill me? No they are not. It is my job to stay away from peanuts. Same with cannabis and other drugs. If you know you can't handle it, stay TF away from it. Simples.
I fucking love the way he says table salt.
John is absolutely right that there should be extensive information available to people about drugs. Not the sort of vague info that you see in certain leaflets but thoroughly researched, detailed information that's backed up by scientific studies. It should also be completely unbiased and give all the pros and cons of using certain drugs.
It needs to be emphasised that individuals react differently to certain substances; mostly due to their genetic make up. I hope that in years to come neuroscience will be far more advanced than it is at present and people will be able to determine how various drugs might affect them by having access to information about their genotype. Hopefully there will be technology readily available for scanning people's brains to determine the unique effects of drugs. Professor David Nutt performed a study like this showing how the limbic systems in participants' brains reacted differently when given an intravenous dose of alcohol. Through conducting this study he found a strong correlation between excessive limbic activity in response to alcohol and the propensity for a person to develop a drink problem.
Professor Nutt is a highly qualified neuropsychopharmacologist and therefore an expert on the subject of drugs' effects. The government didn't like the fact that he was candid about his findings and sacked him because he wouldn't kowtow to them and endorse their bogus drug policy.
Our governments decide upon their policies for the purpose of staying in power and maintaining the status quo. David Cameron is a populist, as was Gordon Brown and Tony Blair before him. Unfortunately, as a society, we are still very hierarchical. The problem with this is that it hinders real progress. People are coerced by authority through cultural hegemony and become resistant to change.
That's some heavyweight truth right there... You can't just google information on drugs, like dosage, and timescales of effects. You have to pass 15 flashy, professional looking www.xyzaddition.com websites that are full of dangerous factual errors, and say little more than "here's a bit of info, come to our detox centre". If you don't know what reputable source you're looking for, it's hard to find. A website permanently giving safe dosage guidance is invaluable, while utter rubbigh like TALK TO FRANK gives you some pessimistic effects, pessimistic and extensive side effects, and some user stories that just make the drug sound mediocre.
It's terrifying to realise as someone (slightly) skilled in pharmacology and dose manmagement, that with the best will in the world, everyone around me (friends and aquantances alike) was guessing tiny amounts of powders but eye, without even knowing how much they were attampting to take... let alone thinking about the purity of the substance.
If you don't make it easy to be safe, people die. If you know that 150mg of MDMA is a solid dose, but have no clue what your 220mg pill will do, you make poor decisions. If no one ever tells you that waiting almost 2 hours without feeling a thing isn't unheard of, people guess and pop another pill after an hour. After 2 horus, they pop another. 10 minutes later, 660mg of MDMA makes them feel seriouisly unwella at best, possibly critically/lifethreateningly unwell. It is nothing short of unforgivable to not make simple information unavailable. Pure MDMA, taken at a known dosage is safer than a few hundred miles driving on country lanes. You will never overdose on a known amount of a pure drug, and "bad reactions" are almost unheard of. Impure black market drugs of unknow purity are the onyl reason for drugs being risky when used safetly.
I remember getting told this stuff at like 11 as well, and never again. I think it should be really enforced around 15-18 the ages where it's really around you
It can't be a war on drugs, because war's end...
an people die in wars they dont off marijuana
It's a war on the tax free income and profits made that the government don't get their hands on.
By making it illegal it attracks even more...
Where do they get their statistics from, when they say how many people take drugs? How many people are gunna be truthful when asked? What are they basing it on?
Too true, you can always find 'statistics' to back up your argument.
+Anton Haq 100% of people who smoke weed just once in their lifetime will die. Think about that.
Peadar Films 100% of people who eat Heinz baked beans once in their lifetime will die also.
Fangsonofgreatfang and don’t get started on the toilet paper epidemic
I think the issue of marijuana needs to be addressed in it's own right. Making pot legal is a far cry from legalizing crack or smack.
Johnny Rotten is right, Johnny Rotten For UK Prime Minister.
:)
Johns the only person smart enough to speak publicly
John was bang on with Jimmy Savill
The power of Johnny fucking Rotten !!
Yes Nia my girl, Where are you from?
Professor Nut.... hee hee.
Nice one Mr. Lydon, make drug information part of education. After that it's up to the individual to choose what they do or do not take. This is not a nanny state and I, like the average person out there, isn't some 'shit for brains' that needs decisions made in my interest, especially when drug laws are inconsistent and alcohol and nicotine duties are crucial to the economy.
Absolutey love John, he is the most intelligent, authentic and honest man. Legend and hero! ❤
like with everything, excess harms
He just says what he thinks regardless whoever it is. He simply doesn't give a fuck. That's why I like the guy.
The most addictive drugs,tobacco and alcohol are totally legal!
They are certainly not the most addictive
@@Tas896 your deluded
well yup, he's rich now but it hasnt always been that way. He was born being a working class guy and was raised like that. His bestfriend died because of drugs as well so what he means by what he says is that he does know what drugs do and think people should live and let live. If the right information is given and people know exactly what they're getting themselves into by consuming any kind of drugs, then it's their problem and no one else's.
In the words of Peter Tosh.. Legalize It
Give me a wonderful deep meditation 🧘
At least Louise Mench admitted to taking class A drugs.David Cameron just blanks the question and he looks like he's got away with it.......
I have to agree with John here. If people had full disclosure of the effects of drugs on the body and the chances of mortality from each one, then at least they would be making an informed decision. I mean an addict is an addict and will use their drug of choice, legal or illegal, irrespective of being made fully aware of consequences unless they come to terms with their disease and seek treatment. And I do believe that making a drug illegal tends to make it more alluring.
I love John at 9:54 sounding like a Dalek 😂
John Lydon is genuinely making it up as he goes along. and the condescending way he talks to people and how he always talks about himself so puts me off
+John O`Neill I think class is a big issue! Your either a chav or you don`t exist!
Mark Ant rather irreverent but thanks for your input
The Greatest living Englishman, hail him.
johnny is right on point
Oh I just got the Trafalgar Square needle joke !🤣
1:24 thats girls fake ass laugh
That's a knowing laugh, trust me.
Hmm, seems to me people will applaud anyone who claims to have experience with something...
1st. time ever have I heard Lydon not interrupt everyone at every chance.
John’s right let us decide what we put in our bodies
For future public appearances wouldnt it be easier if John Lydon wore a badge saying "I am working class" on it. That way he wouldnt have to bang on about it every 2 minutes.
Louise mensch: I don't want to see other young people exposed to illicit drugs, legalisation is the wrong route.
...the hypocrisy simply oozes. The armed response is cut, so production rises. On reflection it's good that i was never there to witness such an exposure of insensitivity to a cause, i fear they may well have had to drag me out, screaming at the blindness. The story of another ness springs to mind, Elliot Ness, made famous by prohibition. How well did that episode finish? Taking the supply of drugs out of crminals' hands' control is the only THE only way to make sure the kids on the street don't NEED to go to the lamp-post on the corner. The inglish, who know a thing or two about control, carrying out yet another dirty deed of their own, had a private army sanctioned by the those inglish back home gleeful over the trade in misery, inflict such damage on the Chinese. It's no longer about just a bag of dope, it's all about the control that the toff has over the infantry.
If there was transparent information, I feel people wouldn't touch most of drug's out there.
The information is already out there. Just look at Hamilton's Pharmacopoeia on the Vice channel or Breaking Bad. Rock stars have died from Heroin overdoses for a long time. Human Traffic talked about the dangers of Ecstacy.
If you legalized the drugs then the drug lords wouldn't make money and then would have the resources to make war on each other. The major thing is, what drugs? If your talking about Weed then I'd say yes, if you're talking about the hard stuff then I would say no.
+Bob Lawblawblaw exactly mate nobody has the right to tell me what to put in my own body.
I agree with john lydon
I can say as someone who has done some drugs recreational use and my personal opinion is alcohol is far more addictive then those drugs in my experience
well that's their (CHOICE), every action you make has consequences. people need to learn that also.
what a shame there was no one there to put forward the overwhelming logic behind the argument for legalization or decriminalisation.
Louise mensch is such a liar 😂
he actually speaks out against drug use a lot, he just thinks it should be a personal choice
The young guy makes a brilliant point about more people dying of eating peanuts than marijuana. This makes me think that the legality of these substances have nothing to do with how dangerous they are.
Could it be more obvious that she is grossly exaggerating if not lying outright?
Show our youth the horrors.
John Lydon as an Individual and as an Artist since mid 70's is the more relevant and revolutionary person ever!!! Groucho Marx of our Generation!! Long Live John Lydon!!!
This is the point they are missing, I don't want kids doing drugs any more than they do, but the fact is criminalisation is not stopping kids getting their hands on drugs. It's easier for kids to get cannabis than alcohol, a dealer on the street doesn't give a shit how old you are if you've got money. IMHO Cannabis and should be legalised regulated and for other drugs should be illegal to sell but usage treated as a health issue, not a criminality issue. Most people don't turn to hard drugs for a good time.
Specifically in the case of cannabis, it being illegal is giving criminals a product with ridiculously high demand and are creating an artificial worth to the product by making it illegal. Lydon is correct, saying to a kid "you're not allowed this" only makes it more desirable. If you tell them the truth, that doing it once your an adult is mostly harmless, but doing it before you're 21 can fuck up your brain development and they'll be more likely to listen. The most dangerous thing about cannabis is that it's illegal, cannabis legalisation is not a crazy idea and it's a conversation we need to start taking seriously.
This entire debate implies there has been a war on drugs. When we admit this we can actually try to do something about it.
It also implies the people *on* drugs are winning the fucking war! How fucked up is that?
We are losing the war against drugs." You know what that implies? There's a war being fought, and the people on drugs are winning it."
I really think that people seem to forget that this is not a war on "physical/mind altering substances" It is a war against the ability to choose those substances as determined by law. There is a difference, and it is profound. How is it even possible to determine that? It was never possible in the first place. They could ban certain things up till the laws were created, but research, science, and nature will always show more and more and more. Some differ slightly, some in a class of their own. It should be painfully OBVIOUS, criminalization and de-decriminalization is the war that is at hand. People can him and haw about their own experiences, but they are just that. THEIR OWN. If I make the choice of eating a jar of salt, and it makes me sick, that was a bad decision, but it is not what it was intended for. Heroin will make you addicted physically, mentally, and very sick over time, however that was not what it was intended for. It is processed naturally into morphine just as any other narcotic is by your body to combat any number of ailments. So yes misinformation is really what is the problem with the public, and the government will run with it to create wealth through taxation, criminalization and profit control . It is easy to understand. This is just one example, but at the top due to its illicit and global market nature. Treatment and tolerance just does not make financial sense to a global power because there is too much money at stake with people being able to self medicate as opposed to institutional, and the trillions spent on incarceration due to law. This is a NO BRAINER
Just noticed he's wearing a torc. I've always wanted one
The parents need to govern children not the government
I love the random pop culture people they have on these shows.
The emotional argument from the woman is bad I think. Legalizing drugs does NOT cause people to start. It just doesn't. What it DOES do is cut out crime, violence, bad drug deals, etc.... The only way to win a war on drugs is to take the power away from dealers and distributors
Making drugs illegal never stopped ONE of the horror stories you hear about. It did however turn people into criminals and poor people into prisoners.
Funny, she can use and decide to stop/learn but everyone else has to be prevented. Broken leg-hospital. Depression-therapy. Drug use-prison.
If all you had to do was live with the effects of drug use without the glamorization of it in entertainment or the added stress/suffering of incarceration, you'd eventually have to deal with it on your own and let the decision be yours.
If we also spent more time and money offering education and help to those who wanted it, that would be far more affective than submission. That has/will never work. The tax payers pick up the tab regardless. So it may as well be for something that works.
Prohibition doesn't work, because people will always do what they want to do. What people seem to forget when defending the war on drugs is the fact that it wastes a shitload of money while also creating a shitload of crime. Addicts are still addicts, drugs are still available, people who need actual help are thrown in jail, and criminals are killing and profiting because you created the black market that allows it all to happen.
John's definitely got a point about eliminating drugs from being "cool & trendy". This is the way they are portrayed everywhere - in movies, music videos, ads, media etc..... Education is another big one. Eventually it all comes back to the family and how kids are raised and what values they are given at home. Generally speaking poor working class ppl can't afford "A class" drugs that's why Cocaine & Heroin aren't a major problem in Sth America but are in rich western countries.
the evidence is right there in the panel, a woman that took class A drugs despite the fact that they are illegal because she thought it was cool and trendy, exactly the point Johnny is making, education not laws
and guess why she wont say what drug it was? because shes scared of being judged by a law that she herself thinks others should be judged by
War on drugs is a misnomer - it's called dealing with criminality. There is no winning or losing to be done.
Few will realize or recognize that John is wearing a TORC around his neck ... TORCS were worn by the ancient Celtic people of Britain and Gaul, and they were large like the one he is wearing - this is a John making a statement about his identity for those who have the eyes to see it.
that guy sounds like Jonathon Ross ahah
I was very quick to turn from 'in moderation' about drug use to being very 'anti-drug' when I saw what lots of drug use (I'm including marijuana) did to my friends. I'd never encourage it and I disagreed with John on this at first, but after some thought I partially agree. Legal/illegal doesn't matter when you have access to them. Those are mandated consequences by law. When you watch your friends/family become addicted to tobacco and smoking it with marijuana, doing psychadelics, becoming heroin addicts and those in combination (what John withnessed with Sid) for various reasons and ultimately killing them, you have to accept that those were the choices they made. Those are the consequences of poor decision making leading to addiction, but it's not that simple either. Your upbringing, what you want from drug use, your self perception and how you react to how drug use being sold as "cool/a right of passage/make you feel good" are SOME contributing factors. Having information accessible is a good start, but you also need to be able to disgest it too. I'm not cool anymore, I'm too old for that but seeing what I saw wasn't cool either and a lot of people never will. (Which I don't have any issues with.) Should laws (which is very loosely policed, unless you are someone they want to get) exist to prohibit that? That's really the question being asked I think. I don't think the two women who rebuted John interpretted it that way.
you do realize that when heroin killed Sid it was actually illegal? didnt work very well did it? any rational person can see that another solution is needed
LET US LIVE OUR LIVES!
John just utterly butterly it shut.
tell em mr lydon!!! he is bloody spot on. ignorance is the problem, as per usual.
>10:26
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the danger from drugs has never been, nor ever will be, the safe well informed and knowledgeable use of them and what their effects are. The danger from drugs comes from their misuse and from not knowing the full effect they are having on the users body. I'd like to ask that lady who'd worked with young people if she'd ever had to help anyone who knew exactly what the effects of their chosen drug were and what the right environment for their safe use was
And then almost immediately after this many states in the US started to legalise cannabis. Shows just how little our politicians understand about drugs and drug use. Time to ditch these 20th century attitudes towards “DRUGS” 😱 and catch up with the rest of the world
Who do you prefer Tchiakovsky or The Pet Shop Boys ? a clipboard ? a survey ?
3,41 - ''That's Politics for ya...''
Weed's kinda legal now in most states in America.. I Love that. You don't have to score your smoke by a dealer who maybe sells dope/coke too. I live in Holland, and in the '80s, (and before that) you could sit all day in a 'coffeeshop' and nobody would ever ask for your age. I left school around 15 because I hung around all day too, didn't do my homework et al.. Now you've got to be 18 to enter a shop and buy, and you're checked if they suspect you're younger. In the USA they do the same, (21 years) and I think that's really important for the ones who are growing up. I'm not a priest, (of een moraalridder) but somebody who lost a lot of important stuff because of all that. I must add that we, (my sister and I) had a lot of money at our hands, 700 guilders a month, which we all could spend, so that was our trap too. If I had the normal pocketmoney I used to get those days, (10 guilders a week/my sister 25) we couldn't have smoked so much.
great discussion
With the greatest respect to John, ignorance is a massive problem not just with drugs but with any problem. What about the problem of willful ignorance?
Do they not know who sid vicious was
There was a time and place for John Lydon (Johnny Rotten). That was over 30 years ago.
Here is a rock star who lives in California, USA for the last 25 years. For the life of me i cannot understand why he was invited to this broadcast.
MENSFORTHHILL99 because just like you he has an OPINION! and one based on experience rather than, as I assume in your case, an 'armchair expert'.