No, mostly with your back, bit with your shoulders. Heavy draw bows aren't drawn with arm strength. Note the obvious thirst trap at the end of the video, if you don't understand what I'm talking about.
@@TheHateCorp This. It's also why a lot of really beefy guys can't actually draw a bow at first. They don't actually use the muscles involved in archery. This guy's trapezius muscles are ripped because he does this all the time.
Well, it's probably a little easier than lifting a teenage child because it stays very still and teenage children don't As a teenage child, if you try to lift me, I will try to bite you, something I doubt a bow does Nonetheless, very impressive
Not even close archery uses a lot of muscles. In my experience a lot of the draw weight was on the hand holding the string. See because your trying to pull them apart.
@@CL-mu2wk yep! I am a climber and your back gets insanely strong so much so to the point if you don't work on your chest you can sort of develop a hunchback look.
Different muscles groups being used, archers also typically shoot as part of a squadron, big bulky builds like today weren't necessary and not affordable after all the bigger your muscles more calories you need and people were already struggling with money and food so becoming bulky would be detrimental, so must people were lean not bulky plus armour was made pretty much universally so they could just give armour to anyone
Not only do I have no I idea what he did to get here - I HAVE EVEN LESS IDEA OF WHAT I DID TO GET HERE 💀 He sure is easy on the eyes I do know that, but I'm going to guess by the twink statement and twunk comments, mom's aren't his type? 😢
I remember reading a historical fiction book about an archer in (I think) England around the era where the longbow came into prominent use during war. In the book the author indicates that the strength and endurance required to wield one effectively, and consistently through an entire battle was monstrous. It’s pretty impressive. Because in battle it’s not just lifting a teenager; it’s lifting a teenager over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over…
All other sports besides archery were banned on Sundays in England for a while. It was to make sure archers had time to practice. I'd look up the details, but it's 5AM. Also, using a bow for a long time could alter your posture to the point where people today can look at some old skeletons and tell that they were archers (presumably if they're preserved well enough).
I think some people define "skinny" as "having little to no fat" whereas you seem to hold the definition "having little to no muscle." I concede that it is a rather ambiguous term.
Muscle definition is what you get by having a low fat%. Not by having a lot of muscle. He might be average strength for a healthy guy his age with above average upper back development due to his archery... But he's definitely skinny IMO
Yeah, but it's very lean. It's like spider-man next to Thor, Spider-man is slim yet athletic, Thor is broad and buff. Yet both are on a very similar strength basis.
This throws me back to the series The Ranger's Apprentice. I would always be mystified by their feats of strength. I vaguely remember the master throwing around some guys easily because the dude has insane arm strength.
The Ranger’s Apprentice is the reason my first few dnd characters were rangers lmao, gave me a very important perspective on how realistic stealth was as an option during wartime and how to make yourself seem more like an enigma than you truly were. Very useful as an aspiring fantasy writer that’s for sure
You're such a good anatomy model for back muscles, genuinely. Seeing them move like that is so informative and I learn something new about muscles every time I see you shoot an arrow from the back without a shirt.
@user-ek5kj4md3g As weird as it is. I see where they're coming from... As an artist, I sometimes gather reference from YT shorts of muscular people to understand anatomy.
True, but now picture an archer guy who basically just looks like a fat blob of a man who is actually monstrously strong, and who could outshoot this twink with war bows. That fat archer guy probably has a youtube channel with 10 subs, and you never saw that dude's video in your recommendations.
People wildly overestimate how heavy swords are. That huge ass zweihander he was using probably weighs somewhere between 5-9 lbs. A typical long sword, depending on when and where it was made, could weigh as little as 2.5 lbs.
@@Matrim42yeah. Also they were (and still are technically) made with efficient use in mind, so their mass center, grip and overall wielding would be spot on
@@Matrim42 That might not seem like much if you're comparing it to lifting the equivalent mass in weights, but it's _really_ damn heavy for a sword. The center of balance and resulting leverage gives it a lot of momentum you need to actively manage, the mass is actually very misleading. My first Zweihänder experience was very much "How is one even supposed to handle this?", I don't think one can even compare it directly to a longsword.
@@MunyuShizumi well for the era longswords were made in, rapiers weren't a thing yet and neither were pistols, so the only way to get trough armor was with, maces, spears, specific arrow types, crossbow bolts, curved swords and heavy weapons in general. With armor and chainmail becoming heavier to withstand piercing wounds from spears, arrows and bolts, the solution to win a fight against an armored or shielded soldier, was to tire him by continuously bonking with weapons like maces and longswords, or to use long weapons and abuse the range of those (like spears, longswords, chained maces) by swinging them and maintaining distance between you and the opponent until, well until something happens. Still it's not much a matter of weight/muscle as it is a matter of muscle memory and manuality. Once you can switch in between techniques and direction in which you are swinging, acquiring practicality with your wrists, the weight of the weapon isn't even going to affect you, at least not as much as the weight of at east 20 kg of armor (AT LEAST).
on top of all you said there's also the fact that muscle hypertrophy isn't necessarily perfectly proportional to strength ofc training increases both no matter what so it's always somewhat proportional but training can focus more in hypertrophy or on strength depending on how it's done
@@Haru-neeI think the term mainly comes from the expression "to sleep on" which means to undervalue or underestimate. The concept of a "sleeper car" has been around a good long while, a race (often drag race) car that is completely stock, unchanged, or maybe even old, worn, and beat up looking on the outside, but has aftermarket parts under the hood and tuning to where it would smoke the average supercar in a race. A sleeper PC build would have super high performance components with an old stock office workstation computer case, maybe even one of those old beige cases, and no external RGB...
It's all in the back. Honestly if you're pulling with your arms ya doing it wrong. Gotta say though even for an archer he's well built. I myself tend towards bulkier muscle groups. And my archery does suffer a tad for it.
IIRC, from reading about the remains of royal archers on the Mary Rose, I thought it was scoliosis induced by the asymmetric force of pressing a war bow. The drawing arm shoulder blade had much deeper marks from muscle anchor points. Been years since I read that though.
Historically, archers were actually some of the biggest warriors on the battlefield for exactly this reason. It takes immense strength to use a traditional war bow effectively in combat Edit: don't go in the replies it's the most braindead and baseless arguments going on
@@lIlIIIIllIllIIIlIlII The range of weights for bows recovered from the Mary Rose are 100-180 pounds at 30 inches. That's almost up to *1.5 times* the draw weight of what he's using here. You could hear how much he was straining to fire the bow in the video, especially after he called it "a heavy bow." The remains of English longbowmen we've found have been noticeably deformed due to training from a young age to be excellent archers. It's not easy to shoot bows like that. It requires a good amount of strength.
@@callumcochrane7759 but that doesn’t make sense. The majority of the effort in drawing a bow is with the right arm and shoulder. The left arm just needs to lock at the elbow and hold the bow steady. At least in the case of right handed archers which most people are
@@quakxy_dukxhe probably misspoke. But I also want to bring up the fact that as you can see even in this video, at least from the shoulder perspective, both sides of the body seem to have to be equally engaged to withstand the forces of the bow itself. The right arm might be doing most of the moving, but the left arm and shoulder also have to resist that force in the opposite direction
The entire time you were talking about this all I could think of was Odysseus and his war bow. Near the end of The Odyssey, being able to string his bow was one of the challenges Penelope gave her suitors.
That is why I love fate grand order depiction of "Grand Archer" With very muscular and buffed body. Since he is the pinnacle of archer that can shoot down gods.
"It doesn't take that much effort for someone with limbs that look like this to pull quickly" I haven't even met you and you've already pulled me, good job.
That last 2 seconds was a masterclass in rizz. He and I are cut from a similar cloth, so I'm taking _many_ notes from this video. Hopefully I'll catch up one day. 🙂
Reasons why my bard uses a crossbow: me-as-a-player knows the crossbow, he could afford it, it was easier to have him carry a crossbow. And the party already has three other archers. Besides, with his background, it makes sense
@@icarusbinns3156 Why tf does your party fill up a physical ranged class three times? No tank to protect those archers? Or at least one magic user for crowd control?
@@_Just_Another_Guy I’m our partial caster. And in another party… I’m the tank. My friends are insane and apparently, everyone hates swords As someone who’s used swords and archery IRL, I do prefer swords. But my bard has an AC of 13, so no. He’s a squishy dude and I don’t want him to die My paladin has an AC of 19 (21 if she has her shield)
Sir, you attracted audiences beyond the scope of your niche. I don't even know what those sticks on your back are called but I've been summoned by the algorithm.
People always arm to think that strong muscles have to be big muscles. This guy's got what I think of as a "functional build". Not a body builder, but those arms (and upper back, obviously) are built to get the job done
My brother is literally a skinny freak but he’s damn stroncc, you could never tell… That’s because horizontal flat muscles give you strength, not the volume ones ☝️
@@mishynaofficial geometry only increases muscle strength through cross section, i.e. the "volume ones". But differences in biochemistry or under-/overspecialized training can make weak looking people better at some strength efforts.
"He's just a scrawny archer. How dangerous can he be in a barfight?" "Is that what you asked yourself before he broke your arm in four places and flattened your nose?"
Though that's likely in part because Odysseus's bow was (most likely) a recurve bow, which can be very hard to string if you don't have a modern stringer and don't know the proper techniques. Notably, a lot of the historical techniques involve sitting down, and Odysseus is noted in the poem to be sitting when he strings it. While Odysseus is certainly not physically weak, he was more notable for being Greek mythology's resident guile hero, so it would be very in-theme if the test was less about raw strength and more about knowing a technique the others didn't.
Er no the final test was to shoot an arrow into another arrow that Odysseus had bullseyed. The stringing was very much flair that he was trained in archery by a barracks.
@@xyreniaofcthrayn1195 Um, what? "Nay, come now, ye wooers, since this is shewn to be your prize. I will set before you the great bow of divine Odysseus, and whosoever shall most easily string the bow in his hands and shoot an arrow through all twelve axes, with him will I go, and forsake this house of my wedded life" From the Odyssey, book 21, translated by A. T. Murray.
This is why my twinky archer character tends to wear very loose clothing - he's actually very muscular, but is trying for a more cutesy non-threatening vibe
You missed the point, he's a skinny twink but the draw strength required for the war bow is greater than that required for a ridiculously large long sword. Not only could be beat you with his bow, he could beat you with the sword, and likely his bare hands. He's the furtherest thing from weak.
@@rebeccaconlon9743 Like bodybuilders. They lift far less than they should technically be able to because it's wasted motion. Working with heavy things and manual tools (as opposed to mechanical) makes a world of difference in physique. Beefy muscles is more for show.
@Lycantis but for him, it's lean muscle mass he has the body you'd expect from what he does. He's always shooting bows or trying new things on his poll so it's alot of boxy weight based stuff. Which equals lean with alot of mass.
@@magicrainbowkitties1023 Given he was wielding a human strength bow there is no incentive for him to develop impressive back muscles. It positions that without any argument for developing back muscles it makes no sense to assume he has them severely developed.
Bro has a long, heavy, sharp, and massive sword in his property... Guys and girls, be careful when you visit him, don't excite him to play with that big sword, that would be very dangerous to you 👀
In games, Dexterity is usually tied to Bow ability. I like to think about Dexterity as just another form of strength. Like gymnasts and acrobatics, in D&D that technically dexterity, but you have to be very stubborn to rule that acrobatics don't take strength.
I'm most familiar with Pathfinder 1e, so I'm not quite sure how the various other editions of D&D handle it (PF1e draws most directly from D&D 3.5). But in PF1e, bows were either standard or compound. They all used Dex for Atk (accuracy) rolls, but only compound bows added Str to damage; standard bows had no stat-based damage bonus. But compound bows *also* had a Strength Rating (representing draw weight) and, if your Str bonus was less than the Str rating, you suffered -2 Atk penalty; presumably because you struggled to draw the bow and it shook under the strain. By contrast, most Melee weapons used Str for both Atk (accuracy) _and_ Damage, on the basis that you need to be able to lift a heavy weapon without struggle and the stronger you were, the more easily and accurately you could strike with it. It took special feats or abilities such as Weapon Finesse to use Dex in place of Str for weapon accuracy, and only for certain kinds of weapons that were already well balanced and efficient to manipulate. Though, I had always had a bit of a qualm that the Str Rating mechanic wasn't extended in such a manner that *any* weapon you had sufficient Str to manipulate easily could be used in a more Dexterous way rather than brute force.
My knight is Strength based My bard is Charisma based Both have Dexterity as the secondary stat. Bard’s got a negative bonus in Strength. I rolled not-great for him
@@icarusbinns3156 Brings to mind some rules elements in PF that do things like _Guided:_ use Wisdom in place of Str (or Dex) for Atk rolls. Don't aim steadier, aim such that steadiness doesn't matter. But one of my favorites is Nature's Whispers Oradin. Oracle 1 w/ Nature mystery gives you Nature's Whispers which let's you use Cha in place of Dex for AC and CMD. And Paladin 2 gives you +Cha to all three saves. That means, so long as you don't flat-out dump Dex, Wis, or Con, all you really need to do is pump Cha for AC and Saves. That sets the foundation, but then it gets even better with some Bard thrown in. Bards can get Masterpiece Performances in place of a feat or lvl 2 spell. And one of these in particular, Pageant of the Peacock, gives a bonus to Bluff, as well as let's you make a Bluff check in place of *any* Int-based stat check or skill check. So any Knowledge check? It's now a Bluff check. Crafting? Bluff. Spellcraft? Oh, you better know that's Bluff. You literally make up a BS story... and the Universe believes you and makes it true. You're Cid Kagenou.
Pathfinder Second Edition straight up uses half your strength modifier for bow damage. Bows in Shadowrun are also straight up strength. In both D&D and Pathfinder, there's a reason Athletics is a thing. People keep trying to do stuff like "Can I use acrobatics here, this is something an acrobat would do?", and the answer is always "No, you use athletics, god dammit!". Acrobatics is specifically for things related to balance. Running, jumping, climbing and swimming fall squarely into Athletics.
As someone small and skinny who also practices archery I'd like to point out (in regards to the "bow doesn't need much strength" statement) that I very often tend to underestimate the needed strength for archery. I was often asked to introduce friends to archery and let me tell you: the amount of people that already struggled with drawing the bow fully will surprise me every time. So don't underestimate your strengths guys.
Yeah I'm a thin guy and it's weird when I let friends who are bigger than me use my bow and they can barely draw. I think they just never use those muscles.
Experience and familiarity with technique are a huge part. Strength is important sure, but technique and familiarity are moreso, you could likely outdraw somebody objectively stronger who has no experience.
@@Wile_E._Wolf In his case, experience strengthens a very specific set of muscles (that don’t look as externally impressive as arm curl exercise muscles… until the shirt comes off).
Tiny twink knights with huge swords accompanied by huge burly archers is an interesting aesthetic
Half elf knights with orc archers? 🤔
Brb gotta make my next NPC party for my D&D game
@@gokuxsephiroth4505 the "Sephiroth" part of your name really is on brand in this case 😀
Artorias and Hawkeye Gough
i'm certainly intrigued
This guy is what I would imagine a real life wood elf would look like
Someone said live action Link and I cannot deny xD
He looks like he's from Bristol and enjoys oat lattes
Ginger elves are a fantasy concept I think I like.
definitely bri'ish
@@zaaxi7424Sounds pretty elvish
Remember, a buff twink is called a twunk
Isn’t that an otter? Or am I miss remembering my words.
@@genericname108 I've heard both tbh
otter is for a hairy man who's not chubby
@@plushtheotter ohh
He could get to otter, if you look at his earlier vids before he started shaving his chest and more unfortunately pits 😢
The equivalent of a teenage child WITH ONE HAND.
No, mostly with your back, bit with your shoulders. Heavy draw bows aren't drawn with arm strength.
Note the obvious thirst trap at the end of the video, if you don't understand what I'm talking about.
@@TheHateCorp This.
It's also why a lot of really beefy guys can't actually draw a bow at first. They don't actually use the muscles involved in archery. This guy's trapezius muscles are ripped because he does this all the time.
Well, it's probably a little easier than lifting a teenage child because it stays very still and teenage children don't
As a teenage child, if you try to lift me, I will try to bite you, something I doubt a bow does
Nonetheless, very impressive
@@abigailgriffin-wc3fm"something I doubt a bow does" wait until you see a cursed bow
Not even close archery uses a lot of muscles. In my experience a lot of the draw weight was on the hand holding the string. See because your trying to pull them apart.
"What's with all the skinny archers?"
All the musculature went to their backs, that's what.
They got the climber's build. I have a friend who, from the front, looks somewhat unathletic, but the dudes back is SHREDDED. He climbs v7s.
Seriously, from the back this guy looks like a statue of a greek god
Now I'm imagining a skinny, twink elf archer boy, but when he flexes his muscles, the Hanma demon back appears.
@@CL-mu2wk yep! I am a climber and your back gets insanely strong so much so to the point if you don't work on your chest you can sort of develop a hunchback look.
Different muscles groups being used, archers also typically shoot as part of a squadron, big bulky builds like today weren't necessary and not affordable after all the bigger your muscles more calories you need and people were already struggling with money and food so becoming bulky would be detrimental, so must people were lean not bulky plus armour was made pretty much universally so they could just give armour to anyone
never in my life would i have thought i’d see sir twinkington swinging a claymore like it’s a twig
Then you haven't played Breath of the Wild.
"twinkington!" xD
That’s not a claymore, it’s a zweihander
That thing (zweihander) is less than 10 lbs btw swords are not as heavy as you think
@@Noctua8 still quite jarring on the eyes
So far I've discovered that you sir are an archer and a pole dancer and good with heels and I still have no idea what you did to get here. I salute
Not only do I have no I idea what he did to get here - I HAVE EVEN LESS IDEA OF WHAT I DID TO GET HERE 💀
He sure is easy on the eyes I do know that, but I'm going to guess by the twink statement and twunk comments, mom's aren't his type? 😢
@danysanerd2383 I believe in you girl you saw him on that pole he could swing both ways
I remember reading a historical fiction book about an archer in (I think) England around the era where the longbow came into prominent use during war. In the book the author indicates that the strength and endurance required to wield one effectively, and consistently through an entire battle was monstrous. It’s pretty impressive. Because in battle it’s not just lifting a teenager; it’s lifting a teenager over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over…
With the sergeant yelling at you and a bunch of steel clad French knights on huge horses galloping towards you and waving extremely sharp swords.
@@robinharwood5044 Precisely! 😆
All other sports besides archery were banned on Sundays in England for a while. It was to make sure archers had time to practice. I'd look up the details, but it's 5AM.
Also, using a bow for a long time could alter your posture to the point where people today can look at some old skeletons and tell that they were archers (presumably if they're preserved well enough).
@@DB-pb8zl That’s some interesting stuff. Thank you for sharing.
Name?
*casually pulls out the Zweihander just to make a statement*
*the elden ring merchant who sells it* “you dare oppose me mortal?
Bro legit started pressing L2 with it
@@grassblock7668 bro started spinning that shit like he's changing his stance in For Honor
@@tareco6965 frfr
"Archer Class is really made up of Archers."
Now all he need to do is fire it from his bow and make half a block explode.
Elves = Good at archery
Elves = Twinks
therefore Twinks = Good at archery
Math checks out
The math is mathing
That's what I said too
The logic seems logical
That seems wrong but i don't know much about twinks to dispute it
My man just wanted to flex with his back and i am all here for it
Guys he ain’t even skinny. He has more muscle definition than most people
Exactly. Ppl be thinking if you’re not a body builder you’re somehow not fit
I think some people define "skinny" as "having little to no fat" whereas you seem to hold the definition "having little to no muscle." I concede that it is a rather ambiguous term.
Muscle definition is what you get by having a low fat%. Not by having a lot of muscle.
He might be average strength for a healthy guy his age with above average upper back development due to his archery...
But he's definitely skinny IMO
He's still skinny though. He's not what you consider "big" by any definition.
Yeah, but it's very lean.
It's like spider-man next to Thor, Spider-man is slim yet athletic, Thor is broad and buff. Yet both are on a very similar strength basis.
It's live-action Link. And he can talk!
What
Now all he needs are pointy ears.
@@FireMageTheSorcererand he needs no nipples and also some “vagina bones”
@@FireMageTheSorcerer Don't forget the green hat!
@@AshernCaelia uh that depends on which game it is. He doesn't have a green hat in Breath of The Wild.
Was not expecting the funny archery man to whip out a MASSIVE SWORD and proceed to WHIRL IT AROUND
massive sword 😏
ayooo he can whirl that massive sword around me all day
2-handed swords are easier to wield than one-handed ones.
Proving his point that big swords are easier to swing than you'd think.
@@spikem5950I’m sure they are; once you get going, the sword will take it the rest of the way (probably)
RUclips didn't recommend this video to me thinking I'd want to admire his archery skills. That's for sure.
This throws me back to the series The Ranger's Apprentice. I would always be mystified by their feats of strength. I vaguely remember the master throwing around some guys easily because the dude has insane arm strength.
The Ranger’s Apprentice is the reason my first few dnd characters were rangers lmao, gave me a very important perspective on how realistic stealth was as an option during wartime and how to make yourself seem more like an enigma than you truly were. Very useful as an aspiring fantasy writer that’s for sure
That was the most educational lead-in to a thirst trap I’ve ever seen
God, I thought I was the only one who went gob-smacked at the end, thank you lol.
😂😂😂😂😂 Yep!
And for that, I am now subbed.
Well done sir, well done
Thirst trap for chunky self loathing broads that would be better suited chopping down trees.
I'm a heavier set person who does archery and I can't even handle the draw weight this guy uses, you have my full respect sir
@el060248 Why wouldn't they!
You mean you're a lard@ss
Have you seen him shoot on the pole yet? It’s wild
seems like ur a woman that might be ur issue
Cause he has technique you dont
You're such a good anatomy model for back muscles, genuinely. Seeing them move like that is so informative and I learn something new about muscles every time I see you shoot an arrow from the back without a shirt.
Wtf is this comment
@user-ek5kj4md3g As weird as it is. I see where they're coming from... As an artist, I sometimes gather reference from YT shorts of muscular people to understand anatomy.
This guy is real life Legolas.
Archery, pole-dancing, swordfighting...
What doesn't he do?!
Well I'm not great at football, for starters 😂
Jim
Gears😂
Pole-dancing???🤨
Drugs, probably
“Not all archers are skinny twinks”
- Skinny Twink Archer
From one of the top comments:
*-Hot* Skinny Twink Archer
True, but now picture an archer guy who basically just looks like a fat blob of a man who is actually monstrously strong, and who could outshoot this twink with war bows.
That fat archer guy probably has a youtube channel with 10 subs, and you never saw that dude's video in your recommendations.
Skinny leaf lover*
@@dr.wallacebreen3859Did I hear a rock and stone?
Is twink not offensive? I thought that was a slur against gay men
“Limbs that look like this” as if bro isn’t absolutely YOLKED
Bro has more muscle than anyone gives him credit for
"Every shot is the equivilent of lifting a teenage child" Brilliant, simply brillant
Americans will use anything but the metric system
Wtf is a teenage child?
@@ThisNachoFriendaround 12 years
@@ThisNachoFriend Just another term for teenager, in specific reference to the lower end 13-16
@@ThisNachoFriend A teen. Teens are still classified as children until they hit 18, if you've forgotten.
Bro casually swung a sword taller than him like it was nothing 💀
People wildly overestimate how heavy swords are. That huge ass zweihander he was using probably weighs somewhere between 5-9 lbs. A typical long sword, depending on when and where it was made, could weigh as little as 2.5 lbs.
@@Matrim42yeah. Also they were (and still are technically) made with efficient use in mind, so their mass center, grip and overall wielding would be spot on
@@Matrim42 That might not seem like much if you're comparing it to lifting the equivalent mass in weights, but it's _really_ damn heavy for a sword. The center of balance and resulting leverage gives it a lot of momentum you need to actively manage, the mass is actually very misleading. My first Zweihänder experience was very much "How is one even supposed to handle this?", I don't think one can even compare it directly to a longsword.
@@MunyuShizumi well for the era longswords were made in, rapiers weren't a thing yet and neither were pistols, so the only way to get trough armor was with, maces, spears, specific arrow types, crossbow bolts, curved swords and heavy weapons in general. With armor and chainmail becoming heavier to withstand piercing wounds from spears, arrows and bolts, the solution to win a fight against an armored or shielded soldier, was to tire him by continuously bonking with weapons like maces and longswords, or to use long weapons and abuse the range of those (like spears, longswords, chained maces) by swinging them and maintaining distance between you and the opponent until, well until something happens. Still it's not much a matter of weight/muscle as it is a matter of muscle memory and manuality. Once you can switch in between techniques and direction in which you are swinging, acquiring practicality with your wrists, the weight of the weapon isn't even going to affect you, at least not as much as the weight of at east 20 kg of armor (AT LEAST).
Guts style
With games and art I always made the assumption that because a bow is a very elegant and nimble weapon it fits with elegant nimble characters.
on top of all you said there's also the fact that muscle hypertrophy isn't necessarily perfectly proportional to strength
ofc training increases both no matter what so it's always somewhat proportional but training can focus more in hypertrophy or on strength depending on how it's done
"They might have one hell of a sleeper build"
Well that was subtle. 😄
What does sleeper build mean, exactly?
@@Haru-nee Essentially being pretty jacked without having very big obvious muscles
@@Skyrimfan002 TIL. Thank you!
@@Haru-neeI think the term mainly comes from the expression "to sleep on" which means to undervalue or underestimate. The concept of a "sleeper car" has been around a good long while, a race (often drag race) car that is completely stock, unchanged, or maybe even old, worn, and beat up looking on the outside, but has aftermarket parts under the hood and tuning to where it would smoke the average supercar in a race. A sleeper PC build would have super high performance components with an old stock office workstation computer case, maybe even one of those old beige cases, and no external RGB...
@@Efreeti Thanks. This makes a lot of sense. I really appreciate the Ted talk. ✨
The subtle thirst traps in these videos are what I’m really here for
Same.
Aye
subtle??? (also same)
he knows what he’s doin lol
100%
You weren't kidding about the sleeper build. Your back muscles are impressive!
This man is a living RPG meme lmao. Skinny archer using 120+ draw weight bows, swinging around 5 ft zweihanders, no problem
Whenever I hear that someone does archery I automatically assume their back is chiseled out like a Greek god.
It's all in the back. Honestly if you're pulling with your arms ya doing it wrong.
Gotta say though even for an archer he's well built. I myself tend towards bulkier muscle groups. And my archery does suffer a tad for it.
By both Apollo and Artemis specifically.
Can confirm, I am an archer and sadly not chiseled.
That's a good rule of thumb
I am not an archer and I can confirm
In the UK, archers would historically have one disfigured shoulder blade, due to the sheer amount of muscle gained from drawing a longbow
IIRC, from reading about the remains of royal archers on the Mary Rose, I thought it was scoliosis induced by the asymmetric force of pressing a war bow. The drawing arm shoulder blade had much deeper marks from muscle anchor points.
Been years since I read that though.
not to mention huge forearms.
No
That sounds like a rumor made up by a chronic masturbator.
also heard that britains at the time also evolved to have longer fingers due to how ingrained archery was for them.
Something about these videos just relaxes me while entertaining me at the same time. This is my new favourite type of content
You know exactly what you’re doing and I am living for it
this is the buffest elf i've ever seen
Nah elves gotta be shredded because they're forest dwellers that move through the trees and use strong ass bows
Someone show this to dwarven dad
@@jaredmanwell442agreed!
half knife-ear , half Humie
THE KNIFE EARS ARE FLEXING ON US DWARVES
Bro did not have to flex on us that hard at the end.
oh he absolutely did. he absolutely did indeed. *whimpering gay sounds of vague meaning*
Oh yes he did 😋
He has nothing to flex?
@@asddsa8203 he's a hot twink, what're you talking about?????
@@asddsa8203ye☠️
I reflexively let out a bit of a snarl at the end there. good lord boy you know exactly what you're doing.
Was watching this and wondering why his ears weren’t pointed 😭
I WAS NOT MENTALLY PREPARED FOR THE SLEEPER BUILD AAAAHHHH
same here
Name checks out
He’s just skinny tho
@@CarlWidegrip you can literally see the definition of his muscles, if someone is skinny everything would be flat
@@sfkdsxzjkcfjldskaf99sddf809sdf no 💀
Mate wielding that big ass sword looking like a Darksouls character
just needs to strip down and don a garden pot upon his head
Zweihander min-max build!
@@TheStarToast THE LEGEND NEVER DIES
Deadass heard “MY BROTHER, COME JOIN ME!” When he started swinging.
@@nickelglasses700wut rings u got?
THIS GUY CAN ALSO USE SWORD HE rlly skilled into everything eh!
I love your videos you have so much content around bows.
Historically, archers were actually some of the biggest warriors on the battlefield for exactly this reason. It takes immense strength to use a traditional war bow effectively in combat
Edit: don't go in the replies it's the most braindead and baseless arguments going on
Don't forget the really imbalanced musculature + wrists though
Especially for long periods in rapid succession.
Source ? it sounds like bullshit since volume doesn't mean strength at all.
@@lIlIIIIllIllIIIlIlII The range of weights for bows recovered from the Mary Rose are 100-180 pounds at 30 inches. That's almost up to *1.5 times* the draw weight of what he's using here. You could hear how much he was straining to fire the bow in the video, especially after he called it "a heavy bow."
The remains of English longbowmen we've found have been noticeably deformed due to training from a young age to be excellent archers. It's not easy to shoot bows like that. It requires a good amount of strength.
@@ThornForTheWynnso no source. Yes they were literally deforming themselves bows but they were still small
So fantasy archers should be built like Doritos, got it.
Genuinely, yes!
There’s a comedy manhwa called The Greatest Estate Designer in which all the elves are really buff archers. They’re also all women
@@callumcochrane7759 but that doesn’t make sense. The majority of the effort in drawing a bow is with the right arm and shoulder. The left arm just needs to lock at the elbow and hold the bow steady. At least in the case of right handed archers which most people are
@@quakxy_dukxhe probably misspoke. But I also want to bring up the fact that as you can see even in this video, at least from the shoulder perspective, both sides of the body seem to have to be equally engaged to withstand the forces of the bow itself. The right arm might be doing most of the moving, but the left arm and shoulder also have to resist that force in the opposite direction
@@khrishp oh I’m not saying that the both shoulders aren’t required to hold the bow steady but the drawing arm requires significantly more more muscle
The entire time you were talking about this all I could think of was Odysseus and his war bow. Near the end of The Odyssey, being able to string his bow was one of the challenges Penelope gave her suitors.
Bro that last shot was pure fanservice (great animation/illustration study too XD)
"Not all archers are skinny twinks. I mean, I am a skinny twink, but not because I'm an archer!"
He is an advert because he's a skinny twink. It's his destiny
Dam boi, you just wanted an excuse to show off those gains.
I mean... you're not wrong 😂
@@blumineckand we appriciate the show
Yes.
Fr this guy back muscles are insane
And I’m damn happy he did.
That is why I love fate grand order depiction of "Grand Archer" With very muscular and buffed body. Since he is the pinnacle of archer that can shoot down gods.
"It doesn't take that much effort for someone with limbs that look like this to pull quickly"
I haven't even met you and you've already pulled me, good job.
"Most of you think that archers are just skinny twinks."
-Hot, skinny twink
Down bad
Relatable
could just be me cuz im a dude but blud aint hot
He's no twink
Connor kenway: *heavy breathing*
"Someone said I was too skinny, so I took that personally. "
I can have skinny archers, you say? Okay I’m in, bring them to me
😂👍
That last 2 seconds was a masterclass in rizz. He and I are cut from a similar cloth, so I'm taking _many_ notes from this video. Hopefully I'll catch up one day. 🙂
Today I have learned that DnD's bow classifications are actually somewhat accurate
Reasons why my bard uses a crossbow: me-as-a-player knows the crossbow, he could afford it, it was easier to have him carry a crossbow.
And the party already has three other archers. Besides, with his background, it makes sense
@@icarusbinns3156 Why tf does your party fill up a physical ranged class three times?
No tank to protect those archers? Or at least one magic user for crowd control?
@@_Just_Another_Guy I’m our partial caster.
And in another party… I’m the tank.
My friends are insane and apparently, everyone hates swords
As someone who’s used swords and archery IRL, I do prefer swords. But my bard has an AC of 13, so no. He’s a squishy dude and I don’t want him to die
My paladin has an AC of 19 (21 if she has her shield)
Sir, you attracted audiences beyond the scope of your niche. I don't even know what those sticks on your back are called but I've been summoned by the algorithm.
You mean arrows?
@@johnnythemachine6949 Wow. You're a genius.
I know nothing about archery, but I reckon I know why the algorithm is showing me this 🤤
@@alekdaniels Hey, don't give Johnny any sass. He was just trying to help you.
@@alekdaniels How did you know? :o
Thanks for the back view. I needed that today😅
This guy pulls bows and any person he wants
“I hope this doesn’t awaken anything inside me…”
EVEN HIS SHADOW
@@midearthling having jeffrey inside of me... was wrong.
@@frenne_dilley Strange that as a bi person, you jumped to saying the guy might be gay and not Bi?
@iansalisbury8639 people forget bi is a thing for some reason. Or it's just easier to assume one thing instead of clarifying two.
@assassinacademy4770 Yeah, I'm a demi-hetro-ace and that is still considered gay.
I'm pretty sure he is the type who is surprisingly strong despite his slimness and well aware of it.
u didnt watch the full video I guess
People always arm to think that strong muscles have to be big muscles. This guy's got what I think of as a "functional build". Not a body builder, but those arms (and upper back, obviously) are built to get the job done
@@birdyfeederz7940 Also how I'd imagine elf muscles would work, but even better. Their muscles are just so much more efficient vs human muscles.
My brother is literally a skinny freak but he’s damn stroncc, you could never tell… That’s because horizontal flat muscles give you strength, not the volume ones ☝️
@@mishynaofficial geometry only increases muscle strength through cross section, i.e. the "volume ones". But differences in biochemistry or under-/overspecialized training can make weak looking people better at some strength efforts.
I've literally never noticed. I'm too bust watching them shoot the bow and arrow. I love that junk.🥰🥰
I'm glad i found this channel, i can't help but think though how he looks like a hot wood elf
Come for the bows. Stay for the unexpected thirst trap.
That's what I'm saying... Fuck
ayo
CAME*
@@m.a.r.p2772 Oh yeah, a lot of people definitely came during this short
The only way this guy could be more Elf-like is if he had long, flowing hair and inexplicably emitted a faint glowing light.
I feel like I have to say this, you/he is one of the best looking/built persons I ever saw
If the most (only?) famous archer, Robin Hood, was a twink, he wouldn't have been obsessed with Maid Marian
"He's just a scrawny archer. How dangerous can he be in a barfight?"
"Is that what you asked yourself before he broke your arm in four places and flattened your nose?"
This man is an actual elf that got sucked out of a show and into the real world, you cannot convince me otherwise
Fr
I like the way u dispel the myths around how big archers are.
Wait! You have an ocarina around you neck! So nice ✨
That's a shark tooth
The final test to prove he was Odysseus in the odyssey was to string his war bow and shoot it.
Though that's likely in part because Odysseus's bow was (most likely) a recurve bow, which can be very hard to string if you don't have a modern stringer and don't know the proper techniques. Notably, a lot of the historical techniques involve sitting down, and Odysseus is noted in the poem to be sitting when he strings it. While Odysseus is certainly not physically weak, he was more notable for being Greek mythology's resident guile hero, so it would be very in-theme if the test was less about raw strength and more about knowing a technique the others didn't.
It does make a lot of sense that the secret sauce wasn’t to just be jacked. It was to know how to work with what you got to achieve greater tasks.
Er no the final test was to shoot an arrow into another arrow that Odysseus had bullseyed. The stringing was very much flair that he was trained in archery by a barracks.
@@xyreniaofcthrayn1195 Um, what?
"Nay, come now, ye wooers, since this is shewn to be your prize. I will set before you the great bow of divine Odysseus, and whosoever shall most easily string the bow in his hands and shoot an arrow through all twelve axes, with him will I go, and forsake this house of my wedded life"
From the Odyssey, book 21, translated by A. T. Murray.
@@jarrakul theres your problem Murray's translation conflicts with every other translation.
I am so attracted to this person right now.
I know right?! Thank you RUclips algorithm for leading us to him! 🤭😍
Exactly! Daaaaaamn! I am so subscribed! Well, as soon I can get some blood to move North.
Exactly. And I'm a guy.😂
The Twink Effect™️
Thank god I am not alone
I think it’s because muscley characters get stereotyped as dumb brutes while archery requires skill and patience.
The fact he used the word twinks tells me all I needed to know 😏
This is why my twinky archer character tends to wear very loose clothing - he's actually very muscular, but is trying for a more cutesy non-threatening vibe
i'm stealing that for my own (totally not nefarious) purposes
adorbs lol
My boy literally dragging himself "I am a weak twink but I could beat you if I had brought my bow and quiver"
And actually nope. He can pole dance. His tights and arms will be sufficient so .... just be polite at all times! X'D
@@KxNOxUTAalso twinks aren't weak
Do you know how much stamina it takes to be a power bottom 😂
@@PosthumousAddressI heard it's got something to do with speed
You missed the point, he's a skinny twink but the draw strength required for the war bow is greater than that required for a ridiculously large long sword. Not only could be beat you with his bow, he could beat you with the sword, and likely his bare hands. He's the furtherest thing from weak.
@@rivertam7827 I think the dude would be a great grappler, just imagining the grip strength and flexibility from years of experience on the pole.
As an archer seeing you draw the 120lb bow so steadily was extremely impressive
Today is national appreciation of how hot this guy actually is day!
You might be skinny, but holy shit you look strong as hell.
Lean, no waste in muscle mass, all of it has a purpose. Hence most people who have muscles from working or skills are lean and not muscles
what?@@rebeccaconlon9743
Bruce Lee was also very skinny, but strong as hell. He was considered to have one of the highest strength to weight ratios.
@@rebeccaconlon9743 Like bodybuilders. They lift far less than they should technically be able to because it's wasted motion. Working with heavy things and manual tools (as opposed to mechanical) makes a world of difference in physique.
Beefy muscles is more for show.
@Lycantis but for him, it's lean muscle mass he has the body you'd expect from what he does. He's always shooting bows or trying new things on his poll so it's alot of boxy weight based stuff. Which equals lean with alot of mass.
"You could be forgiven for thinking that all archers were skinny twinks..."
*Video pauses while Dwarves snicker at Elves in the background*
I'm looking respectfully
There’s a reason I watch this guy 🤔😜😳
Legolas probably has hella back muscles.
Legolas had elven strength, he was super human.
Legolas looks like DIO when he turns around without a shirt
@@andrewlance3898in another timeline, the fellowship crashed through the gates of mordor with the RRRROADDo ROLLLERRR DAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
@@mormacilThis doesn't disprove the previous statement
@@magicrainbowkitties1023 Given he was wielding a human strength bow there is no incentive for him to develop impressive back muscles. It positions that without any argument for developing back muscles it makes no sense to assume he has them severely developed.
"So you can have your skinny archers if you want." My man knows that we fanfic writers need that info 😊
Same for me as a DnD player, my bard's body is built like his. So him having a bow as his main weapon makes sense.
Oh god dam your right
Oh honey…. You hit a couple of points of interest for me. Fantastic info, fantastic form… and the other.
The fact that you just lean into your audience's gaze rather than fight against it makes you that much cooler.
I have never actually seen an archer’s back, that is genuinely fascinating!
Me too! I'm in love with that scalpular movement.
They need to cast you as Link in a live action
Omg YES!!
or a stunt double
Bro has a long, heavy, sharp, and massive sword in his property... Guys and girls, be careful when you visit him, don't excite him to play with that big sword, that would be very dangerous to you 👀
My guy. I could not stop staring there at the end.
Dude your back is ripped I could see the muscles swell and move.
Swear to God, once I saw how easily he pulled that war bow I just knew his back was cut up. Dudes back looks somethin is trying to break out
in what context🤨🤨🤨
I mean....that's what happens when you flex muscles.
@@parsimonious8611 that's not gay at all. Not even a lil bit.
Ha
Not many people appreciate how much upper-body strength it takes to wield a bow effectively.
Oh, absolutely. I have a 112lb hunting bow and am a big guy, I couldn't imagine using some of those english longbows that are north of 200lbs of draw.
Well I was already hooked with the voice tone and accent but that dayum baaaack... I might need to fish my jaw from the floor... one sec...
I… you KNEW what you were doing with that shot
In games, Dexterity is usually tied to Bow ability. I like to think about Dexterity as just another form of strength. Like gymnasts and acrobatics, in D&D that technically dexterity, but you have to be very stubborn to rule that acrobatics don't take strength.
I'm most familiar with Pathfinder 1e, so I'm not quite sure how the various other editions of D&D handle it (PF1e draws most directly from D&D 3.5). But in PF1e, bows were either standard or compound. They all used Dex for Atk (accuracy) rolls, but only compound bows added Str to damage; standard bows had no stat-based damage bonus. But compound bows *also* had a Strength Rating (representing draw weight) and, if your Str bonus was less than the Str rating, you suffered -2 Atk penalty; presumably because you struggled to draw the bow and it shook under the strain.
By contrast, most Melee weapons used Str for both Atk (accuracy) _and_ Damage, on the basis that you need to be able to lift a heavy weapon without struggle and the stronger you were, the more easily and accurately you could strike with it. It took special feats or abilities such as Weapon Finesse to use Dex in place of Str for weapon accuracy, and only for certain kinds of weapons that were already well balanced and efficient to manipulate. Though, I had always had a bit of a qualm that the Str Rating mechanic wasn't extended in such a manner that *any* weapon you had sufficient Str to manipulate easily could be used in a more Dexterous way rather than brute force.
My knight is Strength based
My bard is Charisma based
Both have Dexterity as the secondary stat.
Bard’s got a negative bonus in Strength. I rolled not-great for him
@@icarusbinns3156 Brings to mind some rules elements in PF that do things like _Guided:_ use Wisdom in place of Str (or Dex) for Atk rolls. Don't aim steadier, aim such that steadiness doesn't matter.
But one of my favorites is Nature's Whispers Oradin. Oracle 1 w/ Nature mystery gives you Nature's Whispers which let's you use Cha in place of Dex for AC and CMD. And Paladin 2 gives you +Cha to all three saves. That means, so long as you don't flat-out dump Dex, Wis, or Con, all you really need to do is pump Cha for AC and Saves. That sets the foundation, but then it gets even better with some Bard thrown in. Bards can get Masterpiece Performances in place of a feat or lvl 2 spell. And one of these in particular, Pageant of the Peacock, gives a bonus to Bluff, as well as let's you make a Bluff check in place of *any* Int-based stat check or skill check. So any Knowledge check? It's now a Bluff check. Crafting? Bluff. Spellcraft? Oh, you better know that's Bluff. You literally make up a BS story... and the Universe believes you and makes it true. You're Cid Kagenou.
Pathfinder Second Edition straight up uses half your strength modifier for bow damage.
Bows in Shadowrun are also straight up strength.
In both D&D and Pathfinder, there's a reason Athletics is a thing. People keep trying to do stuff like "Can I use acrobatics here, this is something an acrobat would do?", and the answer is always "No, you use athletics, god dammit!". Acrobatics is specifically for things related to balance. Running, jumping, climbing and swimming fall squarely into Athletics.
As someone small and skinny who also practices archery I'd like to point out (in regards to the "bow doesn't need much strength" statement) that I very often tend to underestimate the needed strength for archery. I was often asked to introduce friends to archery and let me tell you: the amount of people that already struggled with drawing the bow fully will surprise me every time.
So don't underestimate your strengths guys.
Yeah I'm a thin guy and it's weird when I let friends who are bigger than me use my bow and they can barely draw. I think they just never use those muscles.
Experience and familiarity with technique are a huge part. Strength is important sure, but technique and familiarity are moreso, you could likely outdraw somebody objectively stronger who has no experience.
@@Wile_E._Wolf In his case, experience strengthens a very specific set of muscles (that don’t look as externally impressive as arm curl exercise muscles… until the shirt comes off).
I’m pretty sure my mouth started watering at that last bit
I am fan of Archer class in game. And found you really makes my love towards archery deepened. Ofc i love to watch you too 😍